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MetroMan
04-11-2012, 10:51 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320411024
:clap:

xbrackattackx
04-11-2012, 10:54 PM
Whose Andre Bynum...Lakers Forum....

xxcubs22xx
04-11-2012, 10:54 PM
get it sonnnn

And a huge game from the ArtIST formerly known as RON

Sactown
04-11-2012, 10:57 PM
And tomorrow he will flip off the coaching staff and get fined and suspended

Sactown
04-11-2012, 10:58 PM
MORE IMPORTANTLY Metta World Peace hit (YES) 5 THREE POINTERS!!

Cfrey
04-11-2012, 11:03 PM
remember kloves 30-30 yah...

Blitzbolt
04-11-2012, 11:03 PM
The Spurs are SUPER soft inside .

justinnum1
04-11-2012, 11:04 PM
So.... the lakers are better without kobe;)

sunsfan88
04-11-2012, 11:05 PM
Andrew Bynum- 30 rebounds
San Antonio Spurs- 33 rebounds

CudiOnMyiPod
04-11-2012, 11:08 PM
This isn't Knicks related. Take it down.

Had it not been for Love's 30/30 this would have been unbelievable.

NFLNBA
04-11-2012, 11:08 PM
Bynum, Gasol, Artest

63 Pts, 45 Reb, 8 Assists, 3 Blks

Giraffes Rule
04-11-2012, 11:12 PM
The Spurs are SUPER soft inside .

Today. If you look at what they've done since the all star break they've been an excellent rebounding team.

Cal827
04-11-2012, 11:12 PM
Excellent job on rebounding... but I gotta say one thing, what was with his and gaslol's shooting percentage? 16-44? If it wasn't for World Peace coming through, this would have been a disaster for the Lake Show


Anyways back to the point.. There is no doubt who the number two center is in the league now... hell he's closed the gap.

Blitzbolt
04-11-2012, 11:17 PM
Today. If you look at what they've done since the all star break they've been an excellent rebounding team.

I don't mean rebounds They are soft inside to small that's why teams like the Jazz Lakers and Memphis have a shot to beat them.

GunFactor187
04-11-2012, 11:21 PM
Dwight is jelly...

Raph12
04-11-2012, 11:24 PM
Bynum in the 3 games without Kobe: 10-27, 7-17 and 7-20... Definitely first option quality right there.

McPeak92
04-11-2012, 11:26 PM
Wilt had 55....against some guy named Russell.

JNA17
04-11-2012, 11:27 PM
Dwight is jelly...

Did Dwight ever get 30 boards in a game? I DON'T THINK SO MISTER! :D

KLove is a PF so he doesn't count. :p

Lakers + Giants
04-11-2012, 11:27 PM
And tomorrow he will flip off the coaching staff and get fined and suspended

But if cousins did this it would be amazing huh? LMAO, it's funny how much hate dmc fans give bynum.

JNA17
04-11-2012, 11:29 PM
Bynum in the 3 games without Kobe: 10-27, 7-17 and 7-20... Definitely first option quality right there.

Well its a good thing Bynum did something tonight that Dwight has never done before. ;)

Teeboy1487
04-11-2012, 11:30 PM
Bynum in the 3 games without Kobe: 10-27, 7-17 and 7-20... Definitely first option quality right there.

Need more than 3 games to figure this out. Put this in the Lakers forum mods.

Giraffes Rule
04-11-2012, 11:33 PM
I don't mean rebounds They are soft inside to small that's why teams like the Jazz Lakers and Memphis have a shot to beat them.

Jazz have no shot. Spurs beat em handily Sunday, then without the big three only lost because of **** officiating at the end. Memphis and Lakers match up well, but with Kobe I think it's a different story.

DaLakerz Rulz
04-11-2012, 11:36 PM
Bynum in the 3 games without Kobe: 10-27, 7-17 and 7-20... Definitely first option quality right there.

At least he acknowledged he was shooting poorly and that it is bothering him. He didn't jack up a lot of shots after that first game. Kobe would have kept shooting close to 30 fga even when he was shooting bad. And again... a lot of Bynum's misses are point blank off of offensive boards and tip ins. Not much is forced. I have absolutely no issue with his shots.

topdog
04-11-2012, 11:40 PM
Andrew Bynum- 30 rebounds
San Antonio Spurs- 33 rebounds

Ha ha nice!

LakersIn5
04-11-2012, 11:49 PM
Bynum in the 3 games without Kobe: 10-27, 7-17 and 7-20... Definitely first option quality right there.

he was getting hacked inside. he had alot of misses which should have been called shooting fouls. he misses shots because he gets hit but doesnt get called. he was 7-20 tonight but should have been like 7-14 with 12 more FT attempts.

smith&wesson
04-11-2012, 11:52 PM
beast!!!!

shep33
04-12-2012, 12:19 AM
He had 3 less rebounds than the entire Spurs team

Joshtd1
04-12-2012, 12:25 AM
Yea..for some reason Pop decided to start each half with Blair guarding him which he has never done the whole time Blair has been on the team. Terrible strategy by Pop. Got a whole lot of offensive rebounds from misses, wasn't to hard for him to overwhelm Blair with his size.

Joshtd1
04-12-2012, 12:26 AM
This is the main reason why I don't want to see LA in the playoffs. I think out of everyone in the West we matchup the worst with them. Would rather see OKC before LA.

Raph12
04-12-2012, 02:01 AM
Well its a good thing Bynum did something tonight that Dwight has never done before. ;)

Shoot 7-20? ;)


he was getting hacked inside. he had alot of misses which should have been called shooting fouls. he misses shots because he gets hit but doesnt get called. he was 7-20 tonight but should have been like 7-14 with 12 more FT attempts.

Sounds like just another day in the life of Dwight Howard.


At least he acknowledged he was shooting poorly and that it is bothering him. He didn't jack up a lot of shots after that first game. Kobe would have kept shooting close to 30 fga even when he was shooting bad. And again... a lot of Bynum's misses are point blank off of offensive boards and tip ins. Not much is forced. I have absolutely no issue with his shots.

I didn't say anything about his shot selection, the objective of my post was to point to how valuable Kobe's playmaking and his presence in general is for Bynum.

StickyGreenFan
04-12-2012, 02:03 AM
This is the main reason why I don't want to see LA in the playoffs. I think out of everyone in the West we matchup the worst with them. Would rather see OKC before LA.

yea it is a bad matchup... brown doesnt like to use his bench much tho so if we do see u guys in the playoffs our teams probably gonna b exhausted. case in point gasol and artest played 40 min 2nite, bynum played 37, while no one on ur team played more then 27... brown gets on my nerves :mad:

Super.
04-12-2012, 02:04 AM
Wow, impressive

LASportsFan1996
04-12-2012, 03:10 AM
What A Boss. GO Lakers!

kdspurman
04-12-2012, 09:07 AM
Yea..for some reason Pop decided to start each half with Blair guarding him which he has never done the whole time Blair has been on the team. Terrible strategy by Pop. Got a whole lot of offensive rebounds from misses, wasn't to hard for him to overwhelm Blair with his size.

You'd think he learned his dam lesson from last year. Bynum was having his way with Blair. And last season Blair was on Pau. This year Bynum is beasting why the hell would he have a 6'6-6'7 guy guarding Bynum??? For a guy who is supposed to be this great coach he sure does miss a lot of obvious s*it. As a fan, it's incredibly annoying. While Splitter sits and watches from the bench.....

Patman
04-12-2012, 09:14 AM
You'd think he learned his dam lesson from last year. Bynum was having his way with Blair. And last season Blair was on Pau. This year Bynum is beasting why the hell would he have a 6'6-6'7 guy guarding Bynum??? For a guy who is supposed to be this great coach he sure does miss a lot of obvious s*it. As a fan, it's incredibly annoying. While Splitter sits and watches from the bench.....


Haha yeah his Big Rotation especially against big front lines can drive me crazy. Blair just can't handle 7 footers that's just not possible for him. On the other hand he has the Team playing on extremely high level and gets production from players that you wouldn't expect to contribute that much.

Rentzias
04-12-2012, 09:34 AM
"It's great to have 30 boards, but my shot's not working and I'm (a) little upset about that," said Bynum, who was 7 of 20 from the field. "For me, I'll remember shooting poorly."
Should've chucked some treys to get his shooting going.

nycsports2
04-12-2012, 09:38 AM
lol kids good just kind of an idiot hell get it together though... i think

Squad13
04-12-2012, 09:55 AM
Bynum in the 3 games without Kobe: 10-27, 7-17 and 7-20... Definitely first option quality right there.

You're probably top 3 most annoying posters on this site :laugh2: We get it, he isn't better than Dwight. Way to take small sample sizes to say he's not a first option :laugh: if it wasn't for your sigs, I would have blocked your simple self long ago.

JasonJohnHorn
04-12-2012, 10:17 AM
Yeah, but he only got +5 and McRoberts had +12.... ;-) lol
Seriously though, those offensive board were all from him missing shots and putting them back up... classis Moses Malone! lol

Great game though, no denying it.

oak2455
04-12-2012, 10:35 AM
So that guy Lopez from the Nets has 30 bounds this year ;)

The Final Boss
04-12-2012, 10:37 AM
I don't mean rebounds They are soft inside to small that's why teams like the Jazz Lakers and Memphis have a shot to beat them.

You mean the Spurs have a shot to beat the Lakers. Los Angeles is a better team.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 10:42 AM
he was getting hacked inside. he had alot of misses which should have been called shooting fouls. he misses shots because he gets hit but doesnt get called. he was 7-20 tonight but should have been like 7-14 with 12 more FT attempts.

This can be said for basically every dominant/ semi dominant low post big man throughout the history of the NBA. They all get hacked a lot and don't get the calls that they think they deserve.

Cal827
04-12-2012, 10:53 AM
This just in: Dwight want's to get 31 rebounds in a game; Demands SVG to play only him on the court with 4 pylons.

macc
04-12-2012, 10:59 AM
I hope Bynum can keep up the numbers he's been putting up all year. We need another legit 2nd all star center in this league.

Chronz
04-12-2012, 11:00 AM
He outrebounded the Spurs through 3 quarters, may not be as dominant as Kobe outscoring the Mavs through 3 but its still pretty impressive, I found it poetic that he broke Shaqs rebounding mark with the Lakers against his biggest rival in Duncan.

thekmp211
04-12-2012, 11:02 AM
12 months from now, where does a still-injury-free bynum rank?

30 boards is serious, serious business. the kid has emerged, dwight officially has some company, or at least someone to worry about knocking on the door. it's -all- health related for bynum here on out.

last stand
04-12-2012, 11:02 AM
This isn't Knicks related. Take it down.

Had it not been for Love's 30/30 this would have been unbelievable.

Still unbelievable. There are only 14 30 rebound games since 1985

lakers4sho
04-12-2012, 11:33 AM
Bynum in the 3 games without Kobe: 10-27, 7-17 and 7-20... Definitely first option quality right there.

:nod:

Missing56&33
04-12-2012, 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by CudiOnMyiPod
This isn't Knicks related. Take it down.

Had it not been for Love's 30/30 this would have been unbelievable.



Still unbelievable. There are only 14 30 rebound games since 1985

Now that Bynum is in the record books, he has to make rebounds a part of his game. Enough with the inconsistency.....start playing like Kevin Love on a regular basis. Bring it every night.

Chronz
04-12-2012, 11:52 AM
“For me, I’ll remember shooting horribly,” - Bynum


Hes got the right mindset thats for sure, he doesnt let pretty stats in 1 department change the fact that he had a poor offensive game

Fnom11
04-12-2012, 11:53 AM
Kind of impressive. Too bad he shot horribly or it would've been an amazing performance.

Chronz
04-12-2012, 12:13 PM
Kind of impressive. Too bad he shot horribly or it would've been an amazing performance.

He still shut the lane down so its was still an amazing defensive performance, it just wasnt an epic game because of his offense.

Baller1
04-12-2012, 12:16 PM
Kevin Love just sits back and laughs at this feat.

PleaseBeNice
04-12-2012, 01:21 PM
Hate the lakers, dont like bynum, but props. this is impressive

HouRealCoach
04-12-2012, 01:25 PM
Kevin Love's was epic but this is still amazing

Andrew Bynum is getting better and better and glad to see he has actually stayed healthy this year

Big ups to him

iliketurtles24
04-12-2012, 01:30 PM
love

AIRMAR72
04-12-2012, 01:39 PM
great effort from bynum

Gibby23
04-12-2012, 01:49 PM
Sure Love had a 30-30 game but can he shut the lane down and dominate on D? Bynum did and it was against one of the best teams in the NBA at their house. Love is a great player but he isn't a game changer.

Evolution23
04-12-2012, 01:52 PM
"I actually used to like Bynum until Laker fans kept telling me he is the new Kareem!" - ignorant poster

Ladies Man
04-12-2012, 01:53 PM
Impressive. Hopefully he keeps it up without his dumb child like behavior

Raph12
04-12-2012, 03:31 PM
“For me, I’ll remember shooting horribly,” - Bynum


Hes got the right mindset thats for sure, he doesnt let pretty stats in 1 department change the fact that he had a poor offensive game

Perfect reaction from Bynum; Lakers fans should be proud.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 04:09 PM
Kevin Love just sits back and laughs at this feat.

Love has nobody to fight against in his team for rebounds. Imagine if there was no Gasol. Bynum couldv'e inhaled 40 rebounds but still wouldnt score 30.

He got 30 rebounds and also dropped the S word on live tv :facepalm:

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 04:18 PM
Love has nobody to fight against in his team for rebounds. Imagine if there was no Gasol. Bynum couldv'e inhaled 40 rebounds but still wouldnt score 30.

He got 30 rebounds and also dropped the S word on live tv :facepalm:

:confused:

Love grabbed more offensive rebounds than Bynum when he got 31 himself while camping at the 3 point line for a great part of their offensive possessions. So what are you talking about those who he fought with?

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 04:32 PM
:confused:

Love grabbed more offensive rebounds than Bynum when he got 31 himself while camping at the 3 point line for a great part of their offensive possessions. So what are you talking about those who he fought with?

can you give me another player in the wolves who can rebound in double digits? Love is averaging 13 a night... next guy is pekovic who is a mere 7 rebounds a night.

Bynum 12 a night... Pau 11 a night

My point is for Bynum to have 30 rebounds, he also have to fight over Pau. Try putting in Pau with Love and let's see if Love would ever get a 30 rebound night

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 04:48 PM
can you give me another player in the wolves who can rebound in double digits? Love is averaging 13 a night... next guy is pekovic who is a mere 7 rebounds a night.

Bynum 12 a night... Pau 11 a night

My point is for Bynum to have 30 rebounds, he also have to fight over Pau. Try putting in Pau with Love and let's see if Love would ever get a 30 rebound night

Try camping out at the 3 point line and grabbing as many offensive boards as Love does. He's second in the league in that regard and that same guy you mentioned, Pekovic well he's 3rd. Offensive rebounds are both harder to grab and more valuable and defensive and Love does that at an elite level despite being a PF who plays the perimeter quite a lot while on offense.

Love would certainly easily grab 30 rebounds in a game if he played next to Pau. He is a better rebounder than Bynum plain and simple.

Teeboy1487
04-12-2012, 05:00 PM
Love is a better rebounder for sure.

Teeboy1487
04-12-2012, 05:18 PM
Shoot 7-20? ;)



Sounds like just another day in the life of Dwight Howard.



I didn't say anything about his shot selection, the objective of my post was to point to how valuable Kobe's playmaking and his presence in general is for Bynum. Kobe's presence and the attention he gets from defenses on the perimeter is even more valuable. Bynum is shooting against double and triple teams now that Kobe is out. His lack of playmaking is still something he has to develop, but it hurts when he has the 27th ranked 3 point shooting team around him.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 05:21 PM
Try camping out at the 3 point line and grabbing as many offensive boards as Love does. He's second in the league in that regard and that same guy you mentioned, Pekovic well he's 3rd. Offensive rebounds are both harder to grab and more valuable and defensive and Love does that at an elite level despite being a PF who plays the perimeter quite a lot while on offense.

Love would certainly easily grab 30 rebounds in a game if he played next to Pau. He is a better rebounder than Bynum plain and simple.

So does that mean that Monta Ellis is a better Scorer than Dirk Nowitzki because Ellis averaged more than Dirk last year?

Monta's stats are inflated because HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO SCORES. Look at where he's at now? Ever since he joined the Bucks, he dropped to 13th in the league BECAUSE HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SCORES.

What I am saying is Love's rebounding is a bit inflated because HE IS THE ONLY ONE REBOUNDING. Try putting him on a team that has a decent rebounder, I doubt he would average 13 a game.

Just because the Stats show that Love has more rebounds than Bynum does not make him a better rebounder, you gotta look at the cast around him.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 05:27 PM
So does that mean that Monta Ellis is a better Scorer than Dirk Nowitzki because Ellis averaged more than Dirk last year?

Monta's stats are inflated because HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO SCORES. Look at where he's at now? Ever since he joined the Bucks, he dropped to 13th in the league BECAUSE HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SCORES.

What I am saying is Love's rebounding is a bit inflated because HE IS THE ONLY ONE REBOUNDING. Try putting him on a team that has a decent rebounder, I doubt he would average 13 a game.

Just because the Stats show that Love has more rebounds than Bynum does not make him a better rebounder, you gotta look at the cast around him.

If you can't see with your own two eyes that a shorter, weaker, less athletic player who seldom plays above the rim and camps out on the perimeter while still grabbing more offensive and defensive boards against any competition on any level is a better rebounder then there is no helping you quite honestly.

I'd Love to see you prove your theory of Love's rebounding being inflated because contrary to your opinion there is nothing factual to back your claim.

Your post is based on what ifs and hypotheticals. Place Love and Bynum on the same team and he'd still be grabbing more than Bynum. He position and instincts are just that good. Like Dennis Rodman he's a natural born rebounder. Bynum is elite but Love is just better. Again I repeat if you can't see that with your own two eyes then you needs to change your homer glasses since they're all fogged up.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-12-2012, 05:32 PM
If you can't see with your own two eyes that a shorter, weaker, less athletic player who seldom plays above the rim and camps out on the perimeter while still grabbing more offensive and defensive boards against any competition on any level is a better rebounder then there is no helping you quite honestly.

I'd Love to see you prove your theory of Love's rebounding being inflated because contrary to your opinion there is nothing factual to back your claim.

Your post is based on what ifs and hypotheticals. Place Love and Bynum on the same team and he'd still be grabbing more than Bynum. He position and instincts are just that good. Like Dennis Rodman he's a natural born rebounder. Bynum is elite but Love is just better. Again I repeat if you can't see that with your own two eyes then you needs to change your homer glasses since they're all fogged up.

I agree, but the difference between bynum and love would not be huge.

Actually Bynum's TRB% is higher than Love's;)

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 05:38 PM
If you can't see with your own two eyes that a shorter, weaker, less athletic player who seldom plays above the rim and camps out on the perimeter while still grabbing more offensive and defensive boards against any competition on any level is a better rebounder then there is no helping you quite honestly.

again my question, WHO ELSE is going for the boards in Minny? Here is an easier logic for you to understand
If there are 2 players go for the rebound, what is the probability of you getting that rebound? the answer my friend is you only have 50%. Get it so far?
Now if there is only 1 PLAYER who goes for the rebound everytime, what is the probability of him getting that rebound? the answer is 100% of the time. That is basic math that supports my comment
Pau + Bynum = harder to rebound
Love by himself = rebounding galore


I'd Love to see you prove your theory of Love's rebounding being inflated because contrary to your opinion there is nothing factual to back your claim.

Your post is based on what ifs and hypotheticals. Place Love and Bynum on the same team and he'd still be grabbing more than Bynum. He position and instincts are just that good. Like Dennis Rodman he's a natural born rebounder. Bynum is elite but Love is just better. Again I repeat if you can't see that with your own two eyes then you needs to change your homer glasses since they're all fogged up.

I already put numbers up for FACTS, you are the one not looking :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

maybe you are the one who needs your eyes checked because if you are calling me a homer then you need new eyes :rolleyes: look at my sig first before you try hitting below the belt because it is just coming back to you :D

also can you explain Bynum is Elite but Love is better? so what is Love? Eliter? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: ELITE means the best so if you are the best how can somebody be better? :D:D

Toxeryll
04-12-2012, 05:38 PM
Love is better.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 07:04 PM
again my question, WHO ELSE is going for the boards in Minny? Here is an easier logic for you to understand
If there are 2 players go for the rebound, what is the probability of you getting that rebound? the answer my friend is you only have 50%. Get it so far?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I love the math. You have a 50% chance right? Great statistical analysis you are so smart I can't believe I doubted you for a second. :rolleyes:

Oh and to answer your question, I'll simply say this. Who leads all Cs in the NBA in ORB% this season? Hint he plays for the Wolves. So the fact that Love is still a better offensive rebounder than Bynum despite having the best offensive rebounding centre next to him AND playing a great deal of his minutes on the perimeter is only greater testament as to how solid he is on the glass.


Now if there is only 1 PLAYER who goes for the rebound everytime, what is the probability of him getting that rebound? the answer is 100% of the time. That is basic math that supports my comment
Pau + Bynum = harder to rebound
Love by himself = rebounding galore

Like I said before all of this is what you think. You have brought nothing to the table to support this claim. Have you done a complete analysis of this trend of thought in order to come to such a conclusion? NO. What you have done however is attempt to pass off what you think should be true as being true in actually it couldn't be further from.


I already put numbers up for FACTS, you are the one not looking :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

You haven't posted a single fact in this entire thread. All you're doing is acting as if your opinion is fact when its clear that it isn't. Like I said before all you're bring is what ifs and hypothetical that hold no ground whatsoever.


also can you explain Bynum is Elite but Love is better? so what is Love? Eliter? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: ELITE means the best so if you are the best how can somebody be better? :D:D

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elite


e·lite
   [ih-leet, ey-leet] Show IPA
noun
1.
( often used with a plural verb ) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
2.
( used with a plural verb ) persons of the highest class: Only the elite were there.
3.
a group of persons exercising the major share of authority or influence within a larger group: the power elite of a major political party.

How do you feel now? :pity:

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 07:09 PM
I agree, but the difference between bynum and love would not be huge.

Actually Bynum's TRB% is higher than Love's;)

Well generally when a player has his lowest rebounding game of the season due to recieving a concussion and leaving the floor after just 8 minutes and the other has the rebounding game of a lifetime their %s tend to go down (in the case of Love) and up (in Bynum's case).

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 07:26 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I love the math. You have a 50% chance right? Great statistical analysis you are so smart I can't believe I doubted you for a second. :rolleyes:

I knew math was not your skill :D


Oh and to answer your question, I'll simply say this. Who leads all Cs in the NBA in ORB% this season? Hint he plays for the Wolves. So the fact that Love is still a better offensive rebounder than Bynum despite having the best offensive rebounding centre next to him AND playing a great deal of his minutes on the perimeter is only greater testament as to how solid he is on the glass.

Can you please get your facts straight? Demarcus Cousins is the leading in Offensive Rebounds this season :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Demarcus Cousins 4.2
Kevin Love 4.1

So is that your saying facts??? I think you should be embarassed of yourself :D



Like I said before all of this is what you think. You have brought nothing to the table to support this claim. Have you done a complete analysis of this trend of thought in order to come to such a conclusion? NO. What you have done however is attempt to pass off what you think should be true as being true in actually it couldn't be further from.

Look above for stats. How about that for stats lols :facepalm::facepalm: oh an if you ever want to see who is also leading for Defensive Rebounding, its Dwight
Howard 10.2
Love 9.8



You haven't posted a single fact in this entire thread. All you're doing is acting as if your opinion is fact when its clear that it isn't. Like I said before all you're bring is what ifs and hypothetical that hold no ground whatsoever.

I have been posting numbers in my posts. I base my opinions based on numbers. Just like what I am doing now just to shut you up :D:D


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elite


How do you feel now? :pity:

Actually I feel pretty good!!! because you just shot your own foot.
can you explain this? How can Love be better than an Elite person?

In the definition that you put, it says persons of the highest class that means they are already the highest. Elite means a group of people that is the HIGHEST let me repeat HIGHEST CLASS so how can Love be better than the HIGHEST CLASS???

you said "Bynum is Elite but Love is better?" so what you are saying is "Bynum is the Highest class but Love is better?" can you tell me if that makes sense???

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 07:42 PM
I knew math was not your skill

Says the poster who says that a player has a 50/50 chance of grabbing a rebound when there are 10 players on the floor at all times right?


Can you please get your facts straight? Demarcus Cousins is the leading in Offensive Rebounds this season :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Demarcus Cousins 4.2
Kevin Love 4.1

So is that your saying facts??? I think you should be embarassed of yourself :D

Yet again you prove that you know nothing about basketball.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2012&year_max=2012&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=8&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=orb_pct

Now tell me who is at the top of that list?

If you can't comprehend the list or what is being displayed I'll explain it in laments terms for you.


Player ORB%
Nikola Pekovic 16.4
Omer Asik 14.9
DM Cousins 14.6
Joakim Noah 14.0
Marcus Camby 13.4
DeAndre Jordan 13.4

Now this is just a sample of some of the best offensive rebounding Cs in the NBA who have played sufficient minutes and stayed healthy this season. They are being sorted by ORB% which is short for offensive rebounding percentage, not offensive rebounds per game.

Are you still with me? Or would you like me to explain to you the benefits of ORB% and why its a better indicator than ORB/G?


Look above for stats. How about that for stats lols :facepalm::facepalm: oh an if you ever want to see who is also leading for Defensive Rebounding, its Dwight
Howard 10.2
Love 9.8

This has nothing to do with the argument but hell you're just defeating your own baseless claims by posting this.


I have been posting numbers in my posts. I base my opinions based on numbers. Just like what I am doing now just to shut you up :D:D

What numbers? Your 50% chance. You know that there are 10 players on the floor at all times right so to say that grabbing a rebound is 50/50 is one of the dumbest things anyone could say right? :pity:


Actually I feel pretty good!!! because you just shot your own foot.
can you explain this? How can Love be better than an Elite person?

In the definition that you put, it says persons of the highest class that means they are already the highest. Elite means a group of people that is the HIGHEST let me repeat HIGHEST CLASS so how can Love be better than the HIGHEST CLASS???

you said "Bynum is Elite but Love is better?" so what you are saying is "Bynum is the Highest class but Love is better?" can you tell me if that makes sense???

You should tell your literature teacher that your parents want their money back because you have NO reading comprehension whatsoever. While you're at it tell your Math teachers the same.

If they all belong to the same class (something which you clearly didn't attend) then in other terms it means there are on the same tier. Kobe may be in the same class as Jordan when it comes to scoring but Jordan is still better than Kobe. Bynum is on Love's tier yes but Love is still better than he is. Its really simple to understand.

I don't think however that you'd be able to grasp this basic concept as something as elementary as this seems to be way over your head.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 07:58 PM
Says the poster who says that a player has a 50/50 chance of grabbing a rebound when there are 10 players on the floor at all times right?

Why are you changing the subject when we are talking about "help" in rebounding? Now there are 10 players we are talking about when my point is Lakers have 2 double digit rebounders compared to Minny's 1 double digit rebounder. Can you comprehend that?




Yet again you prove that you know nothing about basketball.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2012&year_max=2012&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=8&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=orb_pct

Now tell me who is at the top of that list?

If you can't comprehend the list or what is being displayed I'll explain it in laments terms for you.


Player ORB%
Nikola Pekovic 16.4
Omer Asik 14.9
DM Cousins 14.6
Joakim Noah 14.0
Marcus Camby 13.4
DeAndre Jordan 13.4

Now this is just a sample of some of the best offensive rebounding Cs in the NBA who have played sufficient minutes and stayed healthy this season. They are being sorted by ORB% which is short for offensive rebounding percentage, not offensive rebounds per game.

Are you still with me? Or would you like me to explain to you the benefits of ORB% and why its a better indicator than ORB/G?

Who uses ORB%??? It is per game that you rebound not the percentages? is there such a thing that you "almost rebounded????"

It is not the same as shooting percentage where there are misses... how can you miss a rebound? this stat makes me laugh :D:D

Let me ask you a question? Have you ever played in a league before? clearly not because ORB% are useless, what matters is if you rebounded or not, not the % of "almost rebounding" haha



This has nothing to do with the argument but hell you're just defeating your own baseless claims by posting this.

I just had to post this so you stop riding Love's man stick and face the facts that HE IS NOT the best rebounder. Offensive or Defensive



What numbers? Your 50% chance. You know that there are 10 players on the floor at all times right so to say that grabbing a rebound is 50/50 is one of the dumbest things anyone could say right? :pity:

Again I will say this. My point was Love is the only double digit rebounder in Minny which means he does not have any other person(s) that is competing for rebounding in his team. Lakers have 2. Get it? That is where I got the 50%. If you want to get complicated, I can break it down for you on how much percentages Love can get a rebound with those 10 players on the court.




You should tell your literature teacher that your parents want their money back because you have NO reading comprehension whatsoever. While you're at it tell your Math teachers the same.

If they all belong to the same class (something which you clearly didn't attend) then in other terms it means there are on the same tier. Kobe may be in the same class as Jordan when it comes to scoring but Jordan is still better than Kobe. Bynum is on Love's tier yes but Love is still better than he is. Its really simple to understand.

I don't think however that you'd be able to grasp this basic concept as something as elementary as this seems to be way over your head.

Can you read the bolded part. I think you just contradicted yourself... How can Love be better if they are in the SAME tier? Since you have a real knowledge in literature.. can you give a definition of SAME?

If they are the "SAME TIER" as you stated, how can one be better if they are the same?

If they are in the group as Elites as you put it, how can there an extra elite? How can there be anybody that is already the best? isnt elite already the highest? So what you are saying is Highest of the highest? :D:D:D You make me laugh.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 08:01 PM
Player ORB%
Nikola Pekovic 16.4
Omer Asik 14.9
DM Cousins 14.6
Joakim Noah 14.0
Marcus Camby 13.4
DeAndre Jordan 13.4



One more point is because of this stat that you posted, what you are saying is you would rather take pekovic because of his higher ORB% than any other center? If you say yes, they you my friend are ignorant in basketball

TubbyBucket
04-12-2012, 08:11 PM
Actually I feel pretty good!!! because you just shot your own foot. Can you explain this? How can Love be better than an Elite person?

In the definition that you put, it says persons of the highest class that means they are already the highest. Elite means a group of people that is the HIGHEST let me repeat HIGHEST CLASS so how can Love be better than the HIGHEST CLASS???

you said "Bynum is Elite but Love is better?" so what you are saying is "Bynum is the Highest class but Love is better?" can you tell me if that makes sense???

Oh dear god...

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 08:18 PM
Why are you changing the subject when we are talking about "help" in rebounding? Now there are 10 players we are talking about when my point is Lakers have 2 double digit rebounders compared to Minny's 1 double digit rebounder. Can you comprehend that?

I'm not changing any topic. Your opinion holds no ground and I was just pointing out this inconsistencies.


Who uses ORB%??? It is per game that you rebound not the percentages? is there such a thing that you "almost rebounded????"

It is not the same as shooting percentage where there are misses... how can you miss a rebound? this stat makes me laugh :D:D

Let me ask you a question? Have you ever played in a league before? clearly not because ORB% are useless, what matters is if you rebounded or not, not the % of "almost rebounding" haha

If you didn't understand what was being discussed you could have just said so. Who uses ORB%? Every great statistical mind (hell anyone with basic common sense even) around the NBA does. These are the same minds who are employed with the vast majority of NBA teams, but of course you wouldn't know any of this because its clear that you have NO idea what ORB% is.

This guy seriously just said "how can you miss a rebound"

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I swear that is sig worthy right there. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


I just had to post this so you stop riding Love's man stick and face the facts that HE IS NOT the best rebounder. Offensive or Defensive

In doing that you defeated your own point without addressing any that I stated. Both Cousins and Dwight play with supporting casts that have poorer rebounders than Love's so by your argument they should be better rebounders right? Thing is however neither of these players camp out on the perimeter on offense nor do they play alongside the best offensive rebounding C in the game.

You're not sticking anything in my face child.


Again I will say this. My point was Love is the only double digit rebounder in Minny which means he does not have any other person(s) that is competing for rebounding in his team. Lakers have 2. Get it? That is where I got the 50%. If you want to get complicated, I can break it down for you on how much percentages Love can get a rebound with those 10 players on the court.

This is no point actually.

You know what completely discredits everything you say? The fact that the Timberwolves are a better rebounding team than the Magic and the Kings and are also a better offensive rebounding team than the Lakers.

Matter of a fact there have been studies that clearly state that the difference made by difference rebounding is minute since its illustrated that if X player wasn't on X team that rebound would in all likeliness be grabbed by someone on the respective team. It matters not who is standing beside him when it comes to that so its not as if Love is doing what he does because the rebounds would be grabbed regardless.

Also to your point of having other people around him to grab rebounds listen to this. It has also been proven that being the lone good rebounder on your own team doesn't help your chances as more attention is being paid to you when it comes to crashing the board. Just watch any Timberwolves game and you'd see, Love almost never gets an easy rebound hell he is even being double teamed when attempting to crash the boards (not as much this season with Pekovic's play on the glass).

Bottom line is whatever angle you'd like to take you're wrong and you have no understanding of the game whatsoever.


Can you read the bolded part. I think you just contradicted yourself... How can Love be better if they are in the SAME tier? Since you have a real knowledge in literature.. can you give a definition of SAME?

If they are the "SAME TIER" as you stated, how can one be better if they are the same?

If they are in the group as Elites as you put it, how can there an extra elite? How can there be anybody that is already the best? isnt elite already the highest? So what you are saying is Highest of the highest? :D:D:D You make me laugh.

Astonishing :speechless:

I never thought a human being could be this bad at comprehension. I'm not even going to waste my time with you. I cannot do for you in 1 hour what teachers tried for your entire life and faile to.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 08:19 PM
One more point is because of this stat that you posted, what you are saying is you would rather take pekovic because of his higher ORB% than any other center? If you say yes, they you my friend are ignorant in basketball

You really can comprehend can't you. I truly truly feel sorry for you bro. I wish you all the best.

bedford1829
04-12-2012, 08:23 PM
The potential on Bynum is disgusting. If he got his head right and focused on modeling himself more after Kobe than after Metta World Peace then he could be a real force in this league.

Im surprised Kobe hasnt been more vocal and active when it comes to putting this big talent in his place with his antics.

DaLakerz Rulz
04-12-2012, 08:31 PM
Try camping out at the 3 point line and grabbing as many offensive boards as Love does. He's second in the league in that regard and that same guy you mentioned, Pekovic well he's 3rd. Offensive rebounds are both harder to grab and more valuable and defensive and Love does that at an elite level despite being a PF who plays the perimeter quite a lot while on offense.

Love would certainly easily grab 30 rebounds in a game if he played next to Pau. He is a better rebounder than Bynum plain and simple.

Offensive rebounds are valuable, but its a two way street. I can just as easily say preventing offensive rebounds is valuable. That's what they are using to calculate DRB% - both your teams total defensive rebounds and the opponents offensive rebounds.

Bynum is an elite rebounder either way. If you look at TRB%, he is at 19.3 (6th in the league for players that average > 20mpg). Kevin Love is at 19.0, while Pekovic is 14.9. Love and Bynum's ORB% are also very similar - Love 11.6, Bynum 11.1. They are similar in the rebounding department if anything.

beasted86
04-12-2012, 08:39 PM
Who uses ORB%??? It is per game that you rebound not the percentages? is there such a thing that you "almost rebounded????"

Welcome to the PSD NBA forum.

"An estimate of the percentage of available offensive rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor" is clearly better than the actual factual ranking by rebound rate per minute or total per game. :crazy:

That said, Pekovic still leads the league in per 48 so he's right in that regard, but.... the sample size is somewhat small from so many games he's missed or barely played in which can skew the stat.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 08:44 PM
I'm not changing any topic. Your opinion holds no ground and I was just pointing out this inconsistencies.

Inconsistensies? based on what grounds? your opinion? then I will take my chances:D


If you didn't understand what was being discussed you could have just said so. Who uses ORB%? Every great statistical mind (hell anyone with basic common sense even) around the NBA does. These are the same minds who are employed with the vast majority of NBA teams, but of course you wouldn't know any of this because its clear that you have NO idea what ORB% is.

This guy seriously just said "how can you miss a rebound"

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I swear that is sig worthy right there. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Whats funny is you keep defending Love yet the highest on the ORB is Pekovic??? so what was your point in defending Love? are you still in the same subject as what we are talking about? Its Bynum and Love NOT Pekovic :speechless::speechless: all I can say is WOW stupidity at its best


In doing that you defeated your own point without addressing any that I stated. Both Cousins and Dwight play with supporting casts that have poorer rebounders than Love's so by your argument they should be better rebounders right? Thing is however neither of these players camp out on the perimeter on offense nor do they play alongside the best offensive rebounding C in the game.

You're not sticking anything in my face child.



This is no point actually.

Who said and in what Statistics you can find that the better rebounder has to be in the perimeter? You keep bringing up Love is in the perimeter? who cares if he is in the top of backboard... a rebound is a rebound, it doesnt matter if you are in the 3pt line, the paint, the perimeter. Just because you are in the perimeter doesnt make you a better rebounder. Please explain that nonsense!

Here is your comparison about the Magic
Love - 13.3
Pekovic - 6.9

Dwight - 14.5
Anderson - 7.4

They both have the same cast in rebounding yet Dwight is still a better rebounder. nuff said


You know what completely discredits everything you say? The fact that the Timberwolves are a better rebounding team than the Magic and the Kings and are also a better offensive rebounding team than the Lakers.

Matter of a fact there have been studies that clearly state that the difference made by difference rebounding is minute since its illustrated that if X player wasn't on X team that rebound would in all likeliness be grabbed by someone on the respective team. It matters not who is standing beside him when it comes to that so its not as if Love is doing what he does because the rebounds would be grabbed regardless.

Then why are there stats that proves otherwise?
For example, If a player gets injured, why does some players get more rebounds, points, assists etc. It is because the person that was rebounding before is out and the only person that is left has to pick up the slack.

That is basically my whole argument. If you put love in a team that has another double digit rebounder, he WILL NOT get the same amount of rebounds that he already averages.


Also to your point of having other people around him to grab rebounds listen to this. It has also been proven that being the lone good rebounder on your own team doesn't help your chances as more attention is being paid to you when it comes to crashing the board. Just watch any Timberwolves game and you'd see, Love almost never gets an easy rebound hell he is even being double teamed when attempting to crash the boards (not as much this season with Pekovic's play on the glass).

Bottom line is whatever angle you'd like to take you're wrong and you have no understanding of the game whatsoever.


Astonishing :speechless:

This coming from a guy that looks at ORB% rather than the OR per game :speechless::speechless::speechless:

If you had your way in the league, then Pekovic is the Center that teams should pay big bucks on :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:


I never thought a human being could be this bad at comprehension. I'm not even going to waste my time with you. I cannot do for you in 1 hour what teachers tried for your entire life and faile to.

You cant waste your time because you just check-mated yourself... Did your teacher ever teache you the wors GOOD, BETTER, BEST or the words HIGH, HIGHER, HIGHEST Can you please explain to me from that little brain of yours, what is better than Best or Highest? Once you say that somebody/someone/something is the best, how can anybody top that? I really hope you understand this, because if you don't, I suggest taking English again.

Once you said, Highest, Best, Greatest, Most. There is no topping that!! :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 08:46 PM
You really can comprehend can't you. I truly truly feel sorry for you bro. I wish you all the best.

What was the point of the graph??? showing Pekovic is the better rebounder by ORB%? is that something that we should be in awe about? Please do share what is the significance!

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 08:48 PM
Offensive rebounds are valuable, but I can just as easily say preventing offensive rebounds is valuable. That's what they are using to calculate ORB% - both your teams offensive rebounds and the opponents defensive rebounds.

Bynum is an elite rebounder either way. If you look at TRB%, he is at 19.3 (6th in the league for players that average > 20mpg). Kevin Love is at 19.0, while Pekovic is 14.9...

I have no beef with the 2nd part but I think you didn't read through the rest of the thread when posting this however.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Welcome to the PSD NBA forum.

"An estimate of the percentage of available offensive rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor" is clearly better than the actual factual ranking by rebound rate per minute or total per game. :crazy:

That said, Pekovic still leads the league in per 48 so he's right in that regard, but.... the sample size is somewhat small from so many games he's missed or barely played in which can skew the stat.

So my point is, would you rather have Pekovic or Bynum on the floor? If you say Pekovic is the highest ORB%, would you get him? I wouldnt

That is like saying Marcin Gortat has a higher FG% than Kevin Garnett, does that mean Marcin Gortat is a better player? would you take Marcin Gortat over Garnett?

My point is who cares about percentages, because there are parts of the game that cannot be calculated by percentages. People who played the game, studied the game knows that heart, will, talent, desire cannot be calculated by percentages.

If you think Pekovic is a better player than Bynum just because of his ORB% then go right ahead and pick him in your next Fantasy Draft

DaLakerz Rulz
04-12-2012, 08:57 PM
So my point is, would you rather have Pekovic or Bynum on the floor? If you say Pekovic is the highest ORB%, would you get him? I wouldnt

That is like saying Marcin Gortat has a higher FG% than Kevin Garnett, does that mean Marcin Gortat is a better player? would you take Marcin Gortat over Garnett?

My point is who cares about percentages, because there are parts of the game that cannot be calculated by percentages. People who played the game, studied the game knows that heart, will, talent, desire cannot be calculated by percentages.

If you think Pekovic is a better player than Bynum just because of his ORB% then go right ahead and pick him in your next Fantasy Draft

They are talking only about rebounds in this thread, not about who is the better player.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 08:59 PM
They are talking only about rebounds in this thread, not about who is the better player.

Actually the thread is talking about Bynum getting 30 rebounds, yet people posted Love is better at rebounding. I think there should be a thread stating "Who is the better rebounder, Bynum or Love" :D:D

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 08:59 PM
Welcome to the PSD NBA forum.

"An estimate of the percentage of available offensive rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor" is clearly better than the actual factual ranking by rebound rate per minute or total per game. :crazy:

That said, Pekovic still leads the league in per 48 so he's right in that regard, but.... the sample size is somewhat small from so many games he's missed or barely played in which can skew the stat.

You again really? :laugh2:

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Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 09:18 PM
Inconsistensies? based on what grounds? your opinion? then I will take my chances:D

You do realize that everything you have said in this thread I have proven wrong right?


Whats funny is you keep defending Love yet the highest on the ORB is Pekovic??? so what was your point in defending Love? are you still in the same subject as what we are talking about? Its Bynum and Love NOT Pekovic :speechless::speechless: all I can say is WOW stupidity at its best

Weren't you the one who stated that Kevin Love doesn't play alongside any good rebounders? :pity:

The you come and ask this question again.


Who said and in what Statistics you can find that the better rebounder has to be in the perimeter? You keep bringing up Love is in the perimeter? who cares if he is in the top of backboard... a rebound is a rebound, it doesnt matter if you are in the 3pt line, the paint, the perimeter. Just because you are in the perimeter doesnt make you a better rebounder. Please explain that nonsense!

I guess basic common sense isn't so basic anymore. I can't believe I'm actually going to explain this but.

Player A spends 45% of his time on offense away from the painted are while player B spends 85% of his time on offense inside the painted area. Who is going to get the better position to crash the offensive glass when there is a chance for the offensive rebound?

Now if a player spends more time outside but gathers more inside (maximizing his fewer chances) shouldn't that be an indicator as to who is better than whom in that regard?


Here is your comparison about the Magic
Love - 13.3
Pekovic - 6.9

Dwight - 14.5
Anderson - 7.4

They both have the same cast in rebounding yet Dwight is still a better rebounder. nuff said

Yeah sure because everyone knows a team comprises of two players right?

Here's a better look at it.

The Timberwolves as a team excluding Kevin Love averages 30.6 rebounds per game while the Magic excluding Dwight averages 28.2 rebounds per game. So tell me again kind sir who's CAST has the better rebounders? At least according to your reasoning.


Then why are there stats that proves otherwise?
For example, If a player gets injured, why does some players get more rebounds, points, assists etc. It is because the person that was rebounding before is out and the only person that is left has to pick up the slack.

That is basically my whole argument. If you put love in a team that has another double digit rebounder, he WILL NOT get the same amount of rebounds that he already averages.

What point? You are talking what ifs and hypotheticals. What ifs don't cut it when you're not backing it with anything substantial.


This coming from a guy that looks at ORB% rather than the OR per game :speechless::speechless::speechless:

23 of the 30 NBA teams have paid experts on their staffs that use ORB% over OR to determine who is a better offensive rebounder. So yeah I don't know what I'm talking about. Basically every single NBA team uses advanced metrics. So yeah we all don't know anything and you know it all.


You cant waste your time because you just check-mated yourself... Did your teacher ever teache you the wors GOOD, BETTER, BEST or the words HIGH, HIGHER, HIGHEST Can you please explain to me from that little brain of yours, what is better than Best or Highest? Once you say that somebody/someone/something is the best, how can anybody top that? I really hope you understand this, because if you don't, I suggest taking English again.

Once you said, Highest, Best, Greatest, Most. There is no topping that!! :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Simple question better scorer Adrian Dantley (I'm pretty certain you have no clue who he is) or George Gervin. Simple question requiring a very simple answer.


What was the point of the graph??? showing Pekovic is the better rebounder by ORB%? is that something that we should be in awe about? Please do share what is the significance!

The point of the graph is to show that Kevin Love does have another solid rebounder on his team grabbing offensive rebounds that could be his (well at least according to your reasoning). He has to compete with one of the best offensive rebounders in the game but yet still he's still elite (a word that to this point you STILL don't understand) in that aspect.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 09:19 PM
So my point is, would you rather have Pekovic or Bynum on the floor? If you say Pekovic is the highest ORB%, would you get him? I wouldnt

That is like saying Marcin Gortat has a higher FG% than Kevin Garnett, does that mean Marcin Gortat is a better player? would you take Marcin Gortat over Garnett?

My point is who cares about percentages, because there are parts of the game that cannot be calculated by percentages. People who played the game, studied the game knows that heart, will, talent, desire cannot be calculated by percentages.

If you think Pekovic is a better player than Bynum just because of his ORB% then go right ahead and pick him in your next Fantasy Draft

Do you know what is ORB%? Simple question again requiring a very simple answer.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 09:39 PM
Do you know what is ORB%? Simple question again requiring a very simple answer.

Offensive rebound percentage is an estimate of the percentage of available offensive rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: dont you know what it means? hahaha

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 09:47 PM
Offensive rebound percentage is an estimate of the percentage of available offensive rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: dont you know what it means? hahaha

:clap: :clap: :clap:

So you know how to use google congrats. Now that you have learned something new instead of trashing it all together as being meaningless you should continue using google to your advantage and learn more about that which you don't understand but continue to attack. Also when you're reading do your best to comprehend its over your head ask a question. If you still don't think the stat makes sense then that's fine but at least you'd be able to explain why.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 10:07 PM
You do realize that everything you have said in this thread I have proven wrong right?

so stats that I have posted are proving me wrong? :facepalm:


Weren't you the one who stated that Kevin Love doesn't play alongside any good rebounders? :pity:

The you come and ask this question again.

So Pekovic's 6.9 per game is a good rebounder for a center???? Can you please tell me somebody in this whole site that will agree with you there!

I guess basic common sense isn't so basic anymore. Math is really not your strong suit.


Player A spends 45% of his time on offense away from the painted are while player B spends 85% of his time on offense inside the painted area. Who is going to get the better position to crash the offensive glass when there is a chance for the offensive rebound?

Now if a player spends more time outside but gathers more inside (maximizing his fewer chances) shouldn't that be an indicator as to who is better than whom in that regard?

Rebounding from the perimeter is actually easier than you think if you ever played basketball. The person from the perimeter can see where the ball will go better than the person underneath the basket which means he has a better chance to chase after it (direction wise)


Yeah sure because everyone knows a team comprises of two players right?

Here's a better look at it.

The Timberwolves as a team excluding Kevin Love averages 30.6 rebounds per game while the Magic excluding Dwight averages 28.2 rebounds per game. So tell me again kind sir who's CAST has the better rebounders? At least according to your reasoning.

That proves my point, since Dwight has a weaker cast, he HAS TO GET ALL THE REBOUNDS. Same with Love having a weak cast that is why he is getting all the numbers that he has.


What point? You are talking what ifs and hypotheticals. What ifs don't cut it when you're not backing it with anything substantial.

I just posted numbers that are actual rebounds not ORB% which is an estimate of offensive rebounds. ACTUAL is the keyword here... Actual numbers that happened. I posted players with better numbers than Love yet you cant accept it? I guess the truth is hard to swallow huh?


23 of the 30 NBA teams have paid experts on their staffs that use ORB% over OR to determine who is a better offensive rebounder. So yeah I don't know what I'm talking about. Basically every single NBA team uses advanced metrics. So yeah we all don't know anything and you know it all.

I laugh at this... just because teams have paid "experts" on a certain stat doesnt make it a mandatory basis for getting a player or saying who is better or who is worse. So what you are saying, if there is a chance of getting Bynum, that the Timberwolves will just ignore it because of Pekovic's higher ORB%? I guess that is why Timberwolves are not in the Playoffs because of that thinking :facepalm::facepalm:


Simple question better scorer Adrian Dantley (I'm pretty certain you have no clue who he is) or George Gervin. Simple question requiring a very simple answer.

You are right on that part for I am not around when Dantley and Gervin played... I am not going to answer that question because I do not know the answer... What was the point of that question anyway? does it have anything to do with rebounding? or you just want to prove that you are old? :rolleyes:




The point of the graph is to show that Kevin Love does have another solid rebounder on his team grabbing offensive rebounds that could be his (well at least according to your reasoning). He has to compete with one of the best offensive rebounders in the game but yet still he's still elite (a word that to this point you STILL don't understand) in that aspect.

So again, your point is Pekovic is a Solid Rebounder for a Center? we are not just talking about Offensive, we are talking about Rebounds... I dont even know why you are pushing Offensive Rebounds when the thread is stating Bynum got 30 Rebounds not Bynum got 8 Offensive and 22 Defensive Rebounds... What we are talking about is an overall Rebound :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

I guess your definition of highest or greatest is not the same as the Dictionary :facepalm:

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 10:14 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

So you know how to use google congrats. Now that you have learned something new instead of trashing it all together as being meaningless you should continue using google to your advantage and learn more about that which you don't understand but continue to attack. Also when you're reading do your best to comprehend its over your head ask a question. If you still don't think the stat makes sense then that's fine but at least you'd be able to explain why.

It is so amazing that you already have 9000+ posts yet your understanding for basketball is so small. If you think NBA or basketball in general is about percentages then you need to look at basketball in another view.

I guess there are people who are good at commenting and stating their opinions that are useless rather than learning from experience :facepalm::facepalm:

Im going to keep saying it, ORB% is not as important as you think it is. If it is, then Pekovic should be the hot Center for the league right now. OH WAIT, no other team is looking at him right now because ORB% is not significant. :facepalm:

My question that you keep dodging is since Pekovic has a higher ORB% than Bynum, does than mean you would get him over Bynum?

Hawkeye15
04-12-2012, 10:18 PM
Very impressive.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 10:31 PM
It is so amazing that you already have 9000+ posts yet your understanding for basketball is so small. If you think NBA or basketball in general is about percentages then you need to look at basketball in another view.

I guess there are people who are good at commenting and stating their opinions that are useless rather than learning from experience :facepalm::facepalm:

Im going to keep saying it, ORB% is not as important as you think it is. If it is, then Pekovic should be the hot Center for the league right now. OH WAIT, no other team is looking at him right now because ORB% is not significant. :facepalm:

My question that you keep dodging is since Pekovic has a higher ORB% than Bynum, does than mean you would get him over Bynum?

This guy is seriously a trip. All I'll do is answer the question because you lack BASIC ability to comprehend.

No I will not take Pekovic over Andrew Bynum. Like the other poster alluded to this conversation is purely about rebounding and if you ask me who have shown who the better offensive rebounder is I'd say its Pekovic and anyone with a basic understanding of basketball would agree.

This discussion is solely about rebounding but you seem not to be able to understand that.

You tell me my understanding for basketball is small but you didn't even know what ORB% is. You thought it was ORB/G then when I corrected your ignorance you still wanted to show that you know nothing by stating garbage like "It is not the same as shooting percentage where there are misses... how can you miss a rebound?".

That has to be one of the most ******** things I've ever read in my time on this forum. You better not ever in your natural born life attack my knowledge of the game when you know nothing absolutely NOTHING about it. :rolleyes:

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 10:44 PM
so stats that I have posted are proving me wrong? :facepalm:

What stats have you posted? Each and everyone of the stats that you posted have shown to have holes which have been exposed.


So Pekovic's 6.9 per game is a good rebounder for a center???? Can you please tell me somebody in this whole site that will agree with you there!

I guess basic common sense isn't so basic anymore. Math is really not your strong suit.

How slow are you really? My whole argument for Pekovic was about how well he does on the offensive glass. Where on earth did you get anything else.


Rebounding from the perimeter is actually easier than you think if you ever played basketball. The person from the perimeter can see where the ball will go better than the person underneath the basket which means he has a better chance to chase after it (direction wise)

You must have Kevin Love and Dwyane Wade mixed up because from what you're describing you must think he's flash.

This however is also sig worthy. Its evident that you've never played basketball at any level higher than a pick up game on the street. There is a reason there are things like over the back fouls and players are thought to BOX OUT. If you think reading the trajectory on the perimeter and grabbing a rebound is easy you're sadly mistaken. If you camp in the corner and the ball bounces off the rim anywhere from the near middle to the far side on the rim how in the hell are you going to get the rebound?

You really really really must not have played/coached or watch any basketball in your life.


That proves my point, since Dwight has a weaker cast, he HAS TO GET ALL THE REBOUNDS. Same with Love having a weak cast that is why he is getting all the numbers that he has.

Again I ask how slow are you? YOU were the one who said Dwight a better rebounding cast. :pity:


I just posted numbers that are actual rebounds not ORB% which is an estimate of offensive rebounds. ACTUAL is the keyword here... Actual numbers that happened. I posted players with better numbers than Love yet you cant accept it? I guess the truth is hard to swallow huh?

You posted actual numbers? Amazing? Would you like a cookie?


I laugh at this... just because teams have paid "experts" on a certain stat doesnt make it a mandatory basis for getting a player or saying who is better or who is worse. So what you are saying, if there is a chance of getting Bynum, that the Timberwolves will just ignore it because of Pekovic's higher ORB%? I guess that is why Timberwolves are not in the Playoffs because of that thinking :facepalm::facepalm:

I truly think you were dropped on your head way too many times as a child. You can't comprehend anything.


You are right on that part for I am not around when Dantley and Gervin played... I am not going to answer that question because I do not know the answer... What was the point of that question anyway? does it have anything to do with rebounding? or you just want to prove that you are old? :rolleyes:

Actually I'm 22 so I myself wasn't around in their time but I have watched enough film on both players and also read enough to gain a pretty accurate opinion on both players. Unlike others around here I actually understand basketball.

Since you can't answer that question I'd ask you a question that would be easier for you to answer.

Who is the better passer Rajon Rondo or Steve Nash? Simple question simple answer all you have to do is choose one.


So again, your point is Pekovic is a Solid Rebounder for a Center? we are not just talking about Offensive, we are talking about Rebounds... I dont even know why you are pushing Offensive Rebounds when the thread is stating Bynum got 30 Rebounds not Bynum got 8 Offensive and 22 Defensive Rebounds... What we are talking about is an overall Rebound :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

I guess your definition of highest or greatest is not the same as the Dictionary :facepalm:

Kids this right here is evident as to why you should stay in school.

lakersfan01
04-12-2012, 10:46 PM
Andrew Bynum > Dwight Howard.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 10:46 PM
This guy is seriously a trip. All I'll do is answer the question because you lack BASIC ability to comprehend.

it is funny that you defend your ignorance with low blows instead of facts :D


No I will not take Pekovic over Andrew Bynum. Like the other poster alluded to this conversation is purely about rebounding and if you ask me who have shown who the better offensive rebounder is I'd say its Pekovic and anyone with a basic understanding of basketball would agree.

Then why wont you just bite your own tongue on this one. Why post a graph with a player with a better ORB%? what was the purpose if you dont even think he is a top center?

What im scratching my head about is you posting graphs that shows Pekovic as a number 1 yet if there was a choice, you are not going to pick him? What was the point? You my sir are a hypocrite


This discussion is solely about rebounding but you seem not to be able to understand that.

Rebounding is right.. not just offensive rebounding which you are relentlessly pushing... rebounding is consisted of both offensive and defensive... do you understand? come on, you have been here for a while yet you can understand that?



You tell me my understanding for basketball is small but you didn't even know what ORB% is. You thought it was ORB/G then when I corrected your ignorance you still wanted to show that you know nothing by stating garbage like "It is not the same as shooting percentage where there are misses... how can you miss a rebound?".

so in your OWN OPINION being knowledgeable at basketball means you have to know the ORB%? I guess I feel bad for people that was talking about basketball before the 70's... there was no ORB% back then I GUESS FROM YOU OPINION, THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT BASKETBALL :facepalm::facepalm:


That has to be one of the most ******** things I've ever read in my time on this forum. You better not ever in your natural born life attack my knowledge of the game when you know nothing absolutely NOTHING about it. :rolleyes:

Looks like somebody got offended because I proved him wrong. You make me laugh. hahaha... dont be mad because you are wrong :D

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 10:55 PM
it is funny that you defend your ignorance with low blows instead of facts :D



Then why wont you just bite your own tongue on this one. Why post a graph with a player with a better ORB%? what was the purpose if you dont even think he is a top center?

What im scratching my head about is you posting graphs that shows Pekovic as a number 1 yet if there was a choice, you are not going to pick him? What was the point? You my sir are a hypocrite



Rebounding is right.. not just offensive rebounding which you are relentlessly pushing... rebounding is consisted of both offensive and defensive... do you understand? come on, you have been here for a while yet you can understand that?




so in your OWN OPINION being knowledgeable at basketball means you have to know the ORB%? I guess I feel bad for people that was talking about basketball before the 70's... there was no ORB% back then I GUESS FROM YOU OPINION, THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT BASKETBALL :facepalm::facepalm:



Looks like somebody got offended because I proved him wrong. You make me laugh. hahaha... dont be mad because you are wrong :D

1. This post only compounds the fact that you can't comprehend anything that has been said in this entire discussion.

2. What have I been wrong about?

3. If you ask someone to read and explain the 3 following links to you about the differences in rebounding and their importance and how players actually go about getting them (not this garbage you're talking about perimeter players having an advantage) you may actually learn something about basketball. You're not going to attempt to read and even if you do you SURELY won't understand so I really am just posting this for others who would be willing to expand their knowledge of the game as it relates to basketball.

http://www.cybersportsusa.com/hoopstats/reboundingoff.asp

http://books.google.tt/books?id=Xh2iSGCqJJYC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=importance+of+offensive+rebounding+stats&source=bl&ots=n9-f33WRSU&sig=w0UGLLp21_6mjsjuuDPDlDZ8yao&hl=en&sa=X&ei=95SHT96cNoLMtgf42K2ACA&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=importance%20of%20offensive%20rebounding%20stats&f=false

http://www.82games.com/comm13.htm

Hawkeye15
04-12-2012, 11:09 PM
wait, are we having a Dwight versus Love rebounding battle?

Love is the better rebounder, but because he spends a lot more time outside this year, his offensive rebound rate has dropped, understandably. They are both dominant. Love has had better percentages between the two however, so he gets the nod as the best rebounder in the game currently.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 11:11 PM
wait, are we having a Dwight versus Love rebounding battle?

Love is the better rebounder, but because he spends a lot more time outside this year, his offensive rebound rate has dropped, understandably. They are both dominant. Love has had better percentages between the two however, so he gets the nod as the best rebounder in the game currently.

Actually the debate is between Love and Bynum.

To which a poster said that because Love plays the perimeter he has an advantage on the offensive glass because he can tell where the ball is going. Yes he was being serious.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:13 PM
What stats have you posted? Each and everyone of the stats that you posted have shown to have holes which have been exposed.

How many offensive rebounds per game
Cousins is higher than Love so what is your arguement there?

That means per game.. It means it is an average of the player's Offensive Rebounds per game... Proven, Done and Calculated. How much is Pekovic's?


How slow are you really? My whole argument for Pekovic was about how well he does on the offensive glass. Where on earth did you get anything else.

I think your age is catching up to you... My point was why was Pekovic put into the conversation when we are discussing Love and Bynum? :facepalm:

I guess if you are wrong, you try to win in another way by putting in names that are irrelevant.


You must have Kevin Love and Dwyane Wade mixed up because from what you're describing you must think he's flash.

You are right. Kevin Love is Flash compared to Bynum. Yes he is faster, so he can go the ball quicker. What is hard to understand there?


This however is also sig worthy. Its evident that you've never played basketball at any level higher than a pick up game on the street. There is a reason there are things like over the back fouls and players are thought to BOX OUT. If you think reading the trajectory on the perimeter and grabbing a rebound is easy you're sadly mistaken. If you camp in the corner and the ball bounces off the rim anywhere from the near middle to the far side on the rim how in the hell are you going to get the rebound?

You really really really must not have played/coached or watch any basketball in your life.

Lols you make me laugh.. what position did you play in highschool varsity? Or did you even play at all? that is why you have people do the boxing out and people rebounding the ball.. players who box out usually uses their body so their team can get the rebound. :facepalm::facepalm:




Again I ask how slow are you? YOU were the one who said Dwight a better rebounding cast. :pity:

You posted actual numbers? Amazing? Would you like a cookie?

It is funny that your retaliation is low blows instead of actual Facts :D:D:D
If you are reading my posts... Did you calculate all the players when Howard/Love is actually out of the game or you only subtracted their averages? the true testament of a player has a better cast if he is actually not playing in the game. Deducting the players average is not the way to get the numbers.



I truly think you were dropped on your head way too many times as a child. You can't comprehend anything.

Actually I'm 22 so I myself wasn't around in their time but I have watched enough film on both players and also read enough to gain a pretty accurate opinion on both players. Unlike others around here I actually understand basketball.

hahahah again with the defensive tactics of throwing low blows. I guess losing does not taste really well in your mouth hahaha

Kinda funny how a 22 year old feels he has alot of knowledge about basketball when you were not even around those times... Have you seen them play in all their games? out of all the 82 games in a year, how many of those "watched enough film" have you done? and please dont say Highlights in youtube bacause even Brian Cardinal have highlights in youtube yet the next person doesnt know anything about him.


Since you can't answer that question I'd ask you a question that would be easier for you to answer.

Who is the better passer Rajon Rondo or Steve Nash? Simple question simple answer all you have to do is choose one.

clarify your question. better passer career or better passer this season?
If it's career, I would go with Nash for he has proven himself over his career, if it is this season then Rondo for sure. Any more questions young man?


Kids this right here is evident as to why you should stay in school.

That is right.. tell those kids not to be like you :D:D:D:D

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:17 PM
1. This post only compounds the fact that you can't comprehend anything that has been said in this entire discussion.

2. What have I been wrong about?

3. If you ask someone to read and explain the 3 following links to you about the differences in rebounding and their importance and how players actually go about getting them (not this garbage you're talking about perimeter players having an advantage) you may actually learn something about basketball. You're not going to attempt to read and even if you do you SURELY won't understand so I really am just posting this for others who would be willing to expand their knowledge of the game as it relates to basketball.

http://www.cybersportsusa.com/hoopstats/reboundingoff.asp

http://books.google.tt/books?id=Xh2iSGCqJJYC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=importance+of+offensive+rebounding+stats&source=bl&ots=n9-f33WRSU&sig=w0UGLLp21_6mjsjuuDPDlDZ8yao&hl=en&sa=X&ei=95SHT96cNoLMtgf42K2ACA&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=importance%20of%20offensive%20rebounding%20stats&f=false

http://www.82games.com/comm13.htm

hahaha why are you so hostile just because I proved you wrong? geez its just a forum. Chill a little bit young man. You are young, you will be disappointed many more times in your life. Me disappointing you and proving you wrong is just one of the hurdles you will have in your life.

Oh by the way congratulations in hijacking the thread when we are suppose to be talking about Bynum hahaha:facepalm:

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:21 PM
Actually the debate is between Love and Bynum.

To which a poster said that because Love plays the perimeter he has an advantage on the offensive glass because he can tell where the ball is going. Yes he was being serious.

Yes I am being serious... and yes that was me... from my experience others box out, i grab the rebound and I come from the perimeter.

IF YOU EVER WATCHED BARKLEY AND RODMAN. The way that they rebounded the ball was through running.. not backing up people. They chase the ball, they dont just stand there and box out one person, they move around which proves my point that for you to get a rebound, you have to go and chase the ball. Since love is at the perimeter, he has alot of chances to chase the ball rather than standing in the paint while a player has a body on him.

I guess if you dont have experience in playing in a competetive level, all you can do is talk.. I am basing my statements on EXPERIENCES.

If a player A has 8 offensive rebounds per game and player B has 4 offensive rebounds per game but player B's ORB% is higher than player A, would you still get them?

That is my point, I would rather go with a player with per game than ORB.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 11:23 PM
I'm not even bothering going over things that you don't understand. It's funny that you want to look at career when talking about Rondo v Nash but not Love v Bynum.

I'm talking about this season. You said Rondo is better right? Now I an even easier question. Does Steve Nash have elite passing abilities?

As far as watching highlights on youtube you couldn't be more wrong. There are literally hundreds of full games featuring either player that is either downloadable or showing basically every day on NBA TV. Hell there are many many full games on youtube as well. Games in which I have viewed in their entirety (especially during the lock out). See you learned something else again tonight.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 11:29 PM
Yes I am being serious... and yes that was me... from my experience others box out, i grab the rebound and I come from the perimeter.

I guess if you dont have experience in playing in a competetive level, all you can do is talk.. I am basing my statements on EXPERIENCES.

If a player A has 8 offensive rebounds per game and player B has 4 offensive rebounds per game but player B's ORB% is higher than player A, would you still get them?

That is my point, I would rather go with a player with per game than ORB.

Thanks for the laugh bro. I really appreciate it.

You're comparing your experience when other players box out to the NBA. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I'm done talking to you however. I'll leave some of the greats to teach you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKFRS7CBTUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hab4R5Grl5I

Teeboy1487
04-12-2012, 11:29 PM
wait, are we having a Dwight versus Love rebounding battle?

Love is the better rebounder, but because he spends a lot more time outside this year, his offensive rebound rate has dropped, understandably. They are both dominant. Love has had better percentages between the two however, so he gets the nod as the best rebounder in the game currently.

I agree Hawk. I give Love the edge over Howard.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:36 PM
I'm not even bothering going over things that you don't understand. It's funny that you want to look at career when talking about Rondo v Nash but not Love v Bynum.

I'm talking about this season. You said Rondo is better right? Now I an even easier question. Does Steve Nash have elite passing abilities?

As far as watching highlights on youtube you couldn't be more wrong. There are literally hundreds of full games featuring either player that is either downloadable or showing basically every day on NBA TV. Hell there are many many full games on youtube as well. Games in which I have viewed in their entirety (especially during the lock out). See you learned something else again tonight.

we are talking about Bynum having a 30 rebound night THIS SEASON... why are you going to comparing his Career all of a sudden? and how did Nash and Rondo get into the picture???

I guess your argument is weak that is why you try to find ways to win your argument by putting in different players in your conversation :facepalm:

Regarding you watching old games, good for you. I dont have time to watch all those games that is why I did not even bother to entertain your question about people/players who are not suppose to be in this thread.

See, knowing about basketball in the past does not make you win your debate when we are talking about the players today and FACTS.

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 11:38 PM
we are talking about Bynum having a 30 rebound night THIS SEASON... why are you going to comparing his Career all of a sudden? and how did Nash and Rondo get into the picture???

I guess your argument is weak that is why you try to find ways to win your argument by putting in different players in your conversation :facepalm:

Regarding you watching old games, good for you. I dont have time to watch all those games that is why I did not even bother to entertain your question about people/players who are not suppose to be in this thread.

See, knowing about basketball in the past does not make you win your debate when we are talking about the players today and FACTS.

Is Nash an elite passer? Yes or no simple question requiring a simple answer.

Hawkeye15
04-12-2012, 11:39 PM
Actually the debate is between Love and Bynum.

To which a poster said that because Love plays the perimeter he has an advantage on the offensive glass because he can tell where the ball is going. Yes he was being serious.

Love versus Bynum, rebounding? That is in Love's favor. Good luck proving otherwise anyone.

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:47 PM
Thanks for the laugh bro. I really appreciate it.

You're comparing your experience when other players box out to the NBA. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I'm done talking to you however. I'll leave some of the greats to teach you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKFRS7CBTUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hab4R5Grl5I

I am stating on how I played and my experience as a basketball player. I did not say I was better than an NBA player. My experiences are my experiences and how can you tell me otherwise unless you are there to witness it?:facepalm: Get that logic? What about you? What are your basis? Sitting on the couch and watching all day?

I agree with the videos, no doubt you can get a rebound but did rodman follow that concept? did barkley follow that concept? did Bob Pettit follow that concept? These are smaller players.

The videos you posted was more for Bigger players with bigger body/taller. If you are a smaller player hence Rodman, Barkley, Pettit then you have to go to other routes. That is where Love comes in. He does not just box out, he goes for the ball. Running for the ball.

Anything else?

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:48 PM
Is Nash an elite passer? Yes or no simple question requiring a simple answer.

Nash is a better than most passers but not the Best! and again What is the point of the question?

Some people are just ********... asking questions about passing when we are in a Rebounding Thread... Go make another thread and I will post there :facepalm:

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:51 PM
Love versus Bynum, rebounding? That is in Love's favor. Good luck proving otherwise anyone.

How did you come up with this conclusion sir?

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 11:52 PM
Nash is a better than most passers but not the Best! and again What is the point of the question?

Some people are just ********... asking questions about passing when we are in a Rebounding Thread... Go make another thread and I will post there :facepalm:

Is Steve Nash an elite passer yes or no?

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:54 PM
Is Steve Nash an elite passer yes or no?

I just answered your question. He is a good passer! LOL

Cal827
04-12-2012, 11:55 PM
Is Steve Nash an elite passer yes or no?

Nope. If you are looking for Elite Passers, then look at Derek Rose... you know how hard it is for a shoot first PG to actually grasp the idea of letting someone else get a bucket? Yet he's able to do this about 7-8 times per game.




:D

EYDI819
04-12-2012, 11:57 PM
I found your way of argument quite amusing when you divert from the actual subject. :facepalm:

I guess this concludes this conversation

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 11:57 PM
I am stating on how I played and my experience as a basketball player. I did not say I was better than an NBA player. My experiences are my experiences and how can you tell me otherwise unless you are there to witness it?:facepalm: Get that logic? What about you? What are your basis? Sitting on the couch and watching all day?

I agree with the videos, no doubt you can get a rebound but did rodman follow that concept? did barkley follow that concept? did Bob Pettit follow that concept? These are smaller players.

The videos you posted was more for Bigger players with bigger body/taller. If you are a smaller player hence Rodman, Barkley, Pettit then you have to go to other routes. That is where Love comes in. He does not just box out, he goes for the ball. Running for the ball.

Anything else?

This guy is using his experience to that of the NBA. STILL.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Swashcuff
04-12-2012, 11:59 PM
I found your way of argument quite amusing when you divert from the actual subject. :facepalm:

I guess this concludes this conversation

You refuse to answer the question because it proves everything you said in this thread wrong. You said their was no way a player can be better than a player if they are both elite but you think Nash is an elite passer but Rondo is still better.

You now dodge the question because it discredits everything you've tried and failed to argue in this thread.

EYDI819
04-13-2012, 12:00 AM
This guy is using his experience to that of the NBA. STILL.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

hahahaha your grasp of understanding is next to a goldfish... i just said "I am stating on how I played and my experience as a basketball player. I did not say I was better than an NBA player."

I applaud you on how you twist words :facepalm:

EYDI819
04-13-2012, 12:01 AM
You refuse to answer the question because it proves everything you said in this thread wrong. You said their was no way a player can be better than a player if they are both elite but you think Nash is an elite passer but Rondo is still better.

You now dodge the question because it discredits everything you've tried and failed to argue in this thread.

CAN YOU PLEASE POST WHERE I SAID THAT NASH IS AN ELITE PLAYER?

You my sir is a different kind of stupid hahaha

Swashcuff
04-13-2012, 12:04 AM
CAN YOU PLEASE POST WHERE I SAID THAT NASH IS AN ELITE PLAYER?

You my sir is a different kind of stupid hahaha

so Steve Nash is not an elite passer then? Rondo is the only elite passer in the NBA? :laugh2:

EYDI819
04-13-2012, 12:07 AM
so Steve Nash is not an elite passer then? Rondo is the only elite passer in the NBA? :laugh2:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: I wonder if you have dwarfs as friends because your imagination is impeccable. Since when did I say that? I guess if you just lost a debate, your retaliation is to make up a story :D:D:D good luck with that man! hope it doesnt bite you in the *** because it just did in this thread.

EYDI819
04-13-2012, 12:11 AM
Good luck debating about assists in a rebounding Thread. Ill talk to you guys tom. -out-

Swashcuff
04-13-2012, 12:12 AM
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: I wonder if you have dwarfs as friends because your imagination is impeccable. Since when did I say that? I guess if you just lost a debate, your retaliation is to make up a story :D:D:D good luck with that man! hope it doesnt bite you in the *** because it just did in this thread.

So Nash is an elite passer but at the same time he isn't. Wow. You are the world's smartest man.

Oh and remember earlier when you agreed with me that elite was a group. I guess now Rondo is in a group of his own right. :rolleyes: