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Ebbs
04-11-2012, 06:35 PM
LeBron James took a Cavaliers team with:

Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Drew Gooden
Larry Hughes
Sasha Pavlovic
Daniel Gibson
Anderson Varejao
Donyell Marshall
Damon Jones
Ira Newble
Scot Pollard
Shannon Brown

To a 50 -32 record. Can anyone tell me if they see a legit 2nd or even 3rd option on that team? It was complete and utter horse ****.

He led that team into the playoffs against a Wizards team that lucky for them had some serious injury problems. Still the Cavs swept them.

The Cavs advanced to play the Nets who had a still prime Vince Carter, Jason Kidd, and Richard Jefferson. They also had Nenad Krstic who was having a career year. LeBron put the team on his back and led the Cavs over the Nets in 6.

The Cavs played the Pistons in the ECF's who had added Chris Webber to their core and despite not being the 04 team Rip and Chauncey were still playing very high level ball. That was also their 4th trip in a row to the conference finals and LeBrons first. LeBron goes bonkers and Cavsadvance to the finals after 6 games.

Now this Cinderella run game to a brutal end in the Finals. The Spurs won their 4th championship in a decade in 4 games. But Duncan, Parker, Manu, Finley, Bowen, Horry were all healthy and that team had more playoff experience in one of their big 3 than the entire Cavs squad lol.

Look again at the team a 22 year old LeBron took that far.

Now this year they are struggling but I do believe the Heat will and should win the championship.

I have always been a LeBron fan and as a Dallas fan I'm hoping he gets a ring so everyone gets off his back.

But honestly isn't this what's supposed to happen? The Heat have a top 5 player in Wade and a top 15 player in Bosh to team up with the leagues best player.

My question is which would be a more impressive feat leading the srub infested 06-07 team to the finals on his back? Or winning a championship this year with Miami.

I know LeBron needs to win it all so he can be compared to greatest all time higher down the list but honestly unless he has an other world playoff performance I think his performance as a Cav is more meaningful and impressive IMO.

davids22
04-11-2012, 06:44 PM
It's impressive. I'm glad other people agree that his supporting cast in Cleveland was absolute trash (because it is). Not a single player on his 2009 Cavs roster starts in the NBA. Only if you count Mo Williams, who only starts because Chauncey is down.

But he didn't win the finals that year. Winning the finals will be the most impressive thing for a player of Lebron's caliber. Until he does not, nothing he does will impress me. The triple doubles do not matter and the MVP's he wins from here on out do not matter. A championship does.

Bruno
04-11-2012, 06:59 PM
LBJ had zero business taking those Cavs to the finals. It should have been Detroit, but LBJ ripped them. with that being said, 2007 was possibly the easiest year to win a title during the 2000's. It was after the early 2000's defensive monsters, and before the 2008 consolidation of talent.

a ring will always be more impressive, imo.

justinnum1
04-11-2012, 07:01 PM
He needs a ring. Badly.

But leading that cavs team to the finals was very impressive.

Cfrey
04-11-2012, 07:08 PM
its unfortunate they didn't beat the spurs because if they did then LeBron would have only needed that title because winning a title with that roster would have to count for about 10 rings lololol

Raph12
04-11-2012, 07:17 PM
As impressive as his 2007 run was, winning a ring as "the man" (and yes he is "the man" on the current Heat team), would still be more valuable to his career.

naps
04-11-2012, 07:28 PM
I still get goosebumps when I recall that Detroit series. I don't remember anyone else singlehandedly manhandling a far superior and defensive monster team like he did against the Pistons.

That being said, winning a championship tops everything else.

FraziersKnicks
04-11-2012, 07:31 PM
I remember watching him in that Pistons series and I was just amazed.. That Cavs team was abysmal. But a ring and likely Finals MVP is unequalled, so I'll go with that.

asandhu23
04-11-2012, 07:32 PM
To get credit for something, you have to achieve it first. the second option has not been achieved yet.

Baller1
04-11-2012, 07:38 PM
The 2007 run was more impressive, winning this year would be/is more important to his legacy.

Cal827
04-11-2012, 07:49 PM
To me, it's the NBA finals appearance a while back. He was barely an adult and he carried that team all the way to the NBA finals. Have you guys seen that Roster? They make this season's Bobcats look like a .500 team lol

He dragged that horrible team through the Palace on his back. I still remember game 5. That was the best performance that I've seen in the playoffs (that I actually got to watch and not see highlights of). Had he won it there, we would be saying screw it to needing multiple championships to compare to the other greats.

A title would be another great feat, but I just look at it like this... In Cleveland, his number 2 guy was Mo Williams, in Miami, he shares the spotlight with another top 3 players in Dwayne Wade and the third option (Bosh), is much better than Mo as well.

willabeast77
04-11-2012, 08:26 PM
LeBron leading that 07 Cavs to the finals was impressive but not as surprising as people will claim. That season, the East was arguably at its weakest. The Cavs won 50 games but were 2nd in the East. Detroit only won 53 games and was the no.1 seed but it was clear they were falling apart (compared to their 06 season- they declined quite a bit). So considering that the Cavs were 2nd in the East, it wasn't too surprising they made the Finals.

valade16
04-11-2012, 08:26 PM
First, let me just say that the Cavaliers team was not a good team. But people are starting to act like it was a Rec city league team LeBron took.

Here's a breakdown of PERs in descending order:

Bron: 24.5
Ilgauskas: 18.0
Gooden: 16.5
Marshall: 15.3
Varejo: 14.4

Is that the best? Absolutely not. But you can see some solid contributors there.

Also keep in mind the entire Cavaliers team was built around giving LeBron the ball and having big men who can board if he misses and guards who can shoot when he passes. They were built entirely around him...

justinnum1
04-11-2012, 08:30 PM
i think whats most impressive was bron was 22(23) when he did this...

Chronz
04-11-2012, 09:12 PM
Looking back that Pistons team was the weakest of its ECF dynasty, or atleast since its title season. Still Bron has never played better or risen to the occasion as well as he did that year, oddly enough it came the year in which he had his lowest regular season output and was criticized for it. Then the playoffs came and he just beasted through the Eastern conference.

JLynn943
04-11-2012, 09:18 PM
His finals run with the Cavs is on par (in my opinion) with Iverson's when he carried an otherwise weak 76ers team to the finals against the Lakers.

Both are very impressive, but neither is more impressive than winning it.

JordansBulls
04-11-2012, 11:45 PM
As impressive as his 2007 run was, winning a ring as "the man" (and yes he is "the man" on the current Heat team), would still be more valuable to his career.

How does someone become the man on a team when that team has a proven winner in his prime who performs better on the highest stage and who carried an organization that never won anything prior to him arriving to a title?

JordansBulls
04-11-2012, 11:49 PM
LeBron James took a Cavaliers team with:

Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Drew Gooden
Larry Hughes
Sasha Pavlovic
Daniel Gibson
Anderson Varejao
Donyell Marshall
Damon Jones
Ira Newble
Scot Pollard
Shannon Brown

To a 50 -32 record. Can anyone tell me if they see a legit 2nd or even 3rd option on that team? It was complete and utter horse ****.

He led that team into the playoffs against a Wizards team that lucky for them had some serious injury problems. Still the Cavs swept them.

The Cavs advanced to play the Nets who had a still prime Vince Carter, Jason Kidd, and Richard Jefferson. They also had Nenad Krstic who was having a career year. LeBron put the team on his back and led the Cavs over the Nets in 6.

The Cavs played the Pistons in the ECF's who had added Chris Webber to their core and despite not being the 04 team Rip and Chauncey were still playing very high level ball. That was also their 4th trip in a row to the conference finals and LeBrons first. LeBron goes bonkers and Cavsadvance to the finals after 6 games.

Now this Cinderella run game to a brutal end in the Finals. The Spurs won their 4th championship in a decade in 4 games. But Duncan, Parker, Manu, Finley, Bowen, Horry were all healthy and that team had more playoff experience in one of their big 3 than the entire Cavs squad lol.

Look again at the team a 22 year old LeBron took that far.

Now this year they are struggling but I do believe the Heat will and should win the championship.

I have always been a LeBron fan and as a Dallas fan I'm hoping he gets a ring so everyone gets off his back.

But honestly isn't this what's supposed to happen? The Heat have a top 5 player in Wade and a top 15 player in Bosh to team up with the leagues best player.

My question is which would be a more impressive feat leading the srub infested 06-07 team to the finals on his back? Or winning a championship this year with Miami.

I know LeBron needs to win it all so he can be compared to greatest all time higher down the list but honestly unless he has an other world playoff performance I think his performance as a Cav is more meaningful and impressive IMO.

I was looking forward to a Miami vs Cleveland series that year. Had it been round 1 the Cavs would have been out of the playoffs.

Not to mention they beat the Wiz who were missing it's top 2 players and also the Nets who won 42 games. They beat the Pistons though and even so Lebron didn't even play well in games 1 or 2 and the Cavs still almost won.

THE MTL
04-11-2012, 11:59 PM
Well I personally think that leading the Cavs to the NBA Finals is much more impressive. But the media has all been about the amount of championships a player has won and honestly championships is what matters now-a-days.

People forget about how Lebron led two teams to the NBA Finals and 3 conference finals appearances to go along with it. But its all about the championships in his case.

Raph12
04-12-2012, 02:38 AM
How does someone become the man on a team when that team has a proven winner in his prime who performs better on the highest stage and who carried an organization that never won anything prior to him arriving to a title?

Lebron has been the "clear-cut" best player on that team this season, last year was debatable, but it's no longer close.

BIG worm
04-12-2012, 03:04 AM
obviously getting a ring has proven to be harder. gotta go with a championship.

LongWayFromHome
04-12-2012, 03:38 AM
That series against the Pistons was nuts.

Its so funny how un-clutch we all see Lebron as now.

That game 5 was the most clutch thing I've ever seen by 1 guy totally dominating.
- The Pistons (who were great defensively) were TRIPLE teaming him
- he scored 48 (albeit in double OT)
- he score the Cavs last 25 (while being triple teamed) and 29 of their last 30
- I'm pretty sure he had the game winner with like 2 seconds left

I remember thinking "Wow, this guy is amazing and is gonna win 10 rings."

Oh, how things have changed...what happened to that kid that played like he didn't care what people think. Now he seems like such a head case.

SeoulBeatz
04-12-2012, 04:09 AM
I always said that Cleveland team was GOD AWFUL without Lebron. Many analysts at the time said the Cavs had the best supporting cast in the league!?

It's clearly a **** team and an amazing feat that Lebron took them so far.

Reminds me of when A.I took Eric Snow, 32 y/o Mutumbo, Tyrone Hill, and Jumaine Jones to the finals.

FrenchSunsFan
04-12-2012, 07:06 AM
I always said that Cleveland team was GOD AWFUL without Lebron. Many analysts at the time said the Cavs had the best supporting cast in the league!?

It's clearly a **** team and an amazing feat that Lebron took them so far.

Reminds me of when A.I took Eric Snow, 32 y/o Mutumbo, Tyrone Hill, and Jumaine Jones to the finals.

Or Jason Kidd with Jefferson rookie and Martin sophomore who turned in bust without him.

Donuts365
04-12-2012, 07:30 AM
As impressive as his 2007 run was, winning a ring as "the man" (and yes he is "the man" on the current Heat team), would still be more valuable to his career.

i wish i wasnt new to forums and knew how to write a faceplam lebron winning on a team with d wade and bosh is not impressive and the man on the team is wade

Donuts365
04-12-2012, 07:32 AM
Lebron has been the "clear-cut" best player on that team this season, last year was debatable, but it's no longer close.

how do i make this into a sig ?

stawka
04-12-2012, 07:42 AM
how do i make this into a sig ?

I don't get it? Logic says, if LeBron's been the best player in the NBA, the world, the universe, it kind of makes sense that's he also happens to be the best player on his team, yes?

Donuts365
04-12-2012, 07:58 AM
I don't get it? Logic says, if LeBron's been the best player in the NBA, the world, the universe, it kind of makes sense that's he also happens to be the best player on his team, yes?

when its 5 seconds on a clock and your the best player in the universe and you have to defer your not the best player on the team

thenaj17
04-12-2012, 08:03 AM
i wish i wasnt new to forums and knew how to write a faceplam lebron winning on a team with d wade and bosh is not impressive and the man on the team is wade

Wade is certainly not Heat's best player. Winning a championship would still be impressive with these 3 on the team as there are other GREAT teams in the league aswell. The Spurs BIG 3 now with S-Jax, The Celtics 4, The Lakers size with the Big 3 also with Sessions and Artest, The Bulls with last years MVP, a team that has been winning without their MVP half the season! and the Thunder with Westbrook and Durant (top tier players at their positions) along with the leagues best shot blocker (Ibaka) and top scorer off the bench (Harden).

There are a lot of super talented teams in the NBA this year and i've not even mentioned Grizzlies or last years champs yet or the Knicks, who have 2 'superstars' in their teams.

MTar786
04-12-2012, 08:52 AM
it was just as impressive as ai leading the sixers in 2001. i guess people try not to remember how crap the east was back then. the east was literally a joke.

whats more unimpressive? lebron not being able to get it done with a roster that consists of..

DWYANE WADE
CHRIS BOSH
udonis haslem
mike miller
mario chalmers

or

wade
bosh
haslem
battier
miller
chalmers
turiaf


seriously if the heat don't get it done this year then wade and james should really be reconsidered in their current place at the top 20-25 in nba history. There's no excuse to lose multiple time with that type of roster. a super roster type that hasn't been seen since the 80's lakers and celtics. not even jordan, shaq or kobe got to have teams that had that many superstars, role players and specialists.

check this out

01 lakers
super stars
shaq
kobe

role players
horry
fisher
grant
fox

specialists
horry - clutch
kobe - clutch
kobe - perimeter defense
fox - perimeter defense


96 bulls
superstars
jordan
pippen

role players
kukoc (top tier role player) *6th man too
longley
ron harper

specialists
rodman - rebounding specialist
rodman - defensive specialist
rodman - psychological specialist
kerr - 3 point specialist
pippen - perimeter defense
jordan - perimeter defense
harper - perimeter defense


2012 miami heat

superstars
lebron
wade
bosh

role players
battier
miller
haslem
chalmers
turiaf

specialists
miller - 3 point
lebron - help defense
battier - perimeter defense
jones - 3 point specialist
wade - perimeter defense
wade - clutch
anthony - interior defense

Chronz
04-12-2012, 11:19 AM
I was looking forward to a Miami vs Cleveland series that year. Had it been round 1 the Cavs would have been out of the playoffs.

Not to mention they beat the Wiz who were missing it's top 2 players and also the Nets who won 42 games. They beat the Pistons though and even so Lebron didn't even play well in games 1 or 2 and the Cavs still almost won.

LOL Miami beating Cleveland? WOW I didnt think it was possible but you have truly cemented yourself as the biggest Bron hater, Wade homer of all time. Seriously Wade was so injured he couldnt even produce or even win a single playoff game. Yet hes suppose to beat the team/player who lifted his inferior squad to the Finals? LMFAO

Chronz
04-12-2012, 11:19 AM
when its 5 seconds on a clock and your the best player in the universe and you have to defer your not the best player on the team

So your saying the Heat dont have a best player

mjm07
04-12-2012, 11:56 AM
LOL Miami beating Cleveland? WOW I didnt think it was possible but you have truly cemented yourself as the biggest Bron hater, Wade homer of all time. Seriously Wade was so injured he couldnt even produce or even win a single playoff game. Yet hes suppose to beat the team/player who lifted his inferior squad to the Finals? LMFAO

I don't even think he's that much of a Wade fan, just using him to continue he's ever lasting quest to hate on Bron.

He's creative, though. I'll give him that. :laugh: