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NYSpirit1
04-08-2012, 01:05 AM
With the Sixers freefall, effectively 9-17 after a 20-9 start - Andre Iguodala is looking like the worst choice I've ever seen in the All-Star game right alongside Jamaal Magloire.

This guy is averaging 12.1 points per game, shooting 62.2 percent from the line, 5.5 APG and 6.2 RPG and nonetheless has missed every big shot for his team in close games. Before it's even said, Sixer fans will point to his defense, but unless that is translating to statistics, that shouldn't land you an All-Star bid.

To see a guy averaging 12 points a game on a .500 ballclub make the All-Star team is a shame and just goes to show that coaches having sympathy picks for "team" games, ensemble casts like the Pacers and Sixers.

The_Jamal
04-08-2012, 01:10 AM
You're right. Defense doesn't mean **** in basketball.

kingsdelez24
04-08-2012, 01:16 AM
See Theo Ratlif

cbreezy34
04-08-2012, 01:17 AM
Worry about the Knicks and all their "stars"

Raph12
04-08-2012, 01:25 AM
Not even close...

NothingbutWill
04-08-2012, 01:30 AM
You clearly don't know anything about AI. He isn't praised for his offensive scoring. He's a great defensive player with size and can practically guard anybody.

tredigs
04-08-2012, 01:36 AM
VERY well rounded offensive player who is playing top 5 defense in the league night in/out and at the time of the All Star selection was leading an HCA playoff team is "the worst All Star choice of all time"?

You're not good at the whole analyzing basketball thing, are ya. Who's your top choice instead of Iggy??

GiantsSwaGG
04-08-2012, 01:36 AM
Iggy = overrated

sunsfan88
04-08-2012, 01:37 AM
Who should have got it over him then genius?

Raps08-09 Champ
04-08-2012, 01:38 AM
Iggy > Carmelo this year.

CudiOnMyiPod
04-08-2012, 01:39 AM
It's a better choice than Carmelo "41%" Anthony.

Eagles710
04-08-2012, 01:41 AM
2nd 76er Hate Thread lol .... Well Bud honestly im not a big fan of Iggy BUT! ... he is a defender, and 100% NOT THE WORSE ALL STAR SELECTION! .... Problem with him is, he has SO MUCH TALENT, but has no idea how to use it, and settles for bad jump shots, when he can get to the rim anytime he wants :(

Cal827
04-08-2012, 01:42 AM
I agree with the OP. Playing Defense is overrated. :D

AIsixersFK
04-08-2012, 01:46 AM
This thread is stupid

SMH!
04-08-2012, 01:47 AM
Lol I don't like Iggy very much, but his defense alone let him be an all star, not his offense, the man can play D.

BklynKnicks3
04-08-2012, 01:59 AM
i think melo lefty is better then iggy but he is not the worst pick jamal maglore

Chronz
04-08-2012, 02:01 AM
OP is exaggerating but you can't deny how poorly he played tonight, he got lit up by JJ in the clutch even tho it wasn't all on him

Lim
04-08-2012, 02:02 AM
wtf? not even close to the worst pick lol. you could even make a good argument that iggy > melo

sixer04fan
04-08-2012, 02:08 AM
The fact that you made this thread just shows that you haven't even watched Iggy play this year.

You can say you have, but I know you haven't. Don't even try to argue that you've watched him play this year enough to make such a statement.

b@llhog24
04-08-2012, 02:18 AM
Didn't Ben Wallace get in a couple of years?

abe_froman
04-08-2012, 02:31 AM
Didn't Ben Wallace get in a couple of years?

he made several,whats your point?(way better than iggy)

anyways no.magloire,ac green,bj armstrong,theo ratliff(just to name a few) are all worse

2-ONE-5
04-08-2012, 02:35 AM
With the Sixers freefall, effectively 9-17 after a 20-9 start - Andre Iguodala is looking like the worst choice I've ever seen in the All-Star game right alongside Jamaal Magloire.

This guy is averaging 12.1 points per game, shooting 62.2 percent from the line, 5.5 APG and 6.2 RPG and nonetheless has missed every big shot for his team in close games. Before it's even said, Sixer fans will point to his defense, but unless that is translating to statistics, that shouldn't land you an All-Star bid.

To see a guy averaging 12 points a game on a .500 ballclub make the All-Star team is a shame and just goes to show that coaches having sympathy picks for "team" games, ensemble casts like the Pacers and Sixers.

for starters he was picked for the AS game before this funk got as bad as it has. what happens after the AS game is irrelevant. the best defensive team in the league and division leader at the time deserved an all-star. as for defense goes just ask Melo how good Iggy is at it

knicks_champ
04-08-2012, 02:38 AM
And this has turned into a bash a Knick thread.. I have my surprised face on -_-.

HouRealCoach
04-08-2012, 02:43 AM
he made several,whats your point?(way better than iggy)

anyways no.magloire,ac green,bj armstrong,theo ratliff(just to name a few) are all worse

Ben Wallace made it because of his GREAT defense... Just like Artest and many others

and that's why Andre Iguodala was well deserved

GiantsSwaGG
04-08-2012, 02:47 AM
Iggy fixed his shot?

b@llhog24
04-08-2012, 02:51 AM
he made several,whats your point?(way better than iggy)

anyways no.magloire,ac green,bj armstrong,theo ratliff(just to name a few) are all worse

My point was that even if the OP thinks Iggy sucks on offense his D is what got him the All-star nod anyways. (Ben Wallace)

b@llhog24
04-08-2012, 02:53 AM
Ben Wallace made it because of his GREAT defense... Just like Artest and many others

and that's why Andre Iguodala was well deserved

This guy caught what i was trying to say.

naps
04-08-2012, 03:05 AM
Iggy was a much better choice than Melo this year. Care to think about that?

GiantsSwaGG
04-08-2012, 03:23 AM
Melo>Iggy

NYtilIdie
04-08-2012, 03:31 AM
With the Sixers freefall, effectively 9-17 after a 20-9 start - Andre Iguodala is looking like the worst choice I've ever seen in the All-Star game right alongside Jamaal Magloire.

This guy is averaging 12.1 points per game, shooting 62.2 percent from the line, 5.5 APG and 6.2 RPG and nonetheless has missed every big shot for his team in close games. Before it's even said, Sixer fans will point to his defense, but unless that is translating to statistics, that shouldn't land you an All-Star bid.

To see a guy averaging 12 points a game on a .500 ballclub make the All-Star team is a shame and just goes to show that coaches having sympathy picks for "team" games, ensemble casts like the Pacers and Sixers.

I ***king hate you.

Raph12
04-08-2012, 03:38 AM
OP is exaggerating but you can't deny how poorly he played tonight, he got lit up by JJ in the clutch even tho it wasn't all on him

JJ scored most of his points off the pnr with Dwight and off-ball screens, I wouldn't say he "lit up" Iggy in the clutch really, I'd say he hit a lot of big shots... Offensively it was a different story, Iggy couldn't buy a shot and Dwight keeping him out of the paint wasn't helping.

Chronz did you look at the two games Orlando played without Dwight? Did you see how they played defensively (combined 100pts in the paint and over 56% shooting in both games). That's what I meant by "Dwight's impact/intangibles" defensively, he just intimidates opposing teams from attacking, moreso than anyone leaguewide.

ugafan
04-08-2012, 03:39 AM
Who should have got it over him then genius?

Josh Smith

smith&wesson
04-08-2012, 03:49 AM
With the Sixers freefall, effectively 9-17 after a 20-9 start - Andre Iguodala is looking like the worst choice I've ever seen in the All-Star game right alongside Jamaal Magloire.

This guy is averaging 12.1 points per game, shooting 62.2 percent from the line, 5.5 APG and 6.2 RPG and nonetheless has missed every big shot for his team in close games. Before it's even said, Sixer fans will point to his defense, but unless that is translating to statistics, that shouldn't land you an All-Star bid.

To see a guy averaging 12 points a game on a .500 ballclub make the All-Star team is a shame and just goes to show that coaches having sympathy picks for "team" games, ensemble casts like the Pacers and Sixers.

you act like 5.5 apg and 6.2 rpg for a smallforward is shamefull. those are great numbers and shows that he helps his team in so many other ways then just scoring.

iggy is a two way player, he plays both ends of the floor. 12 ppg plus 5.5 apg a game is not bad offense and his D is incredible. one of the best perimiter defenders in the league.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 03:53 AM
Melo>Iggy

lol

pd7631
04-08-2012, 03:53 AM
Andre Iguodala sucks balls and can rot in hell.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 03:57 AM
Andre Iguodala sucks balls and can rot in hell.

sarcasm?

CityofChaos
04-08-2012, 04:00 AM
Mo Williams was the worst allstar selection hands down.

pd7631
04-08-2012, 04:16 AM
Andre Iguodala sucks balls and can rot in hell.

sarcasm?

No. I legitimately hate him.

NYSpirit1
04-08-2012, 04:34 AM
It's a better choice than Carmelo "41%" Anthony.

Uh, to all the posters who said who should have gotten it? Josh Smith, anyone?

He's averaging 18.9 points, 9.8 rebounds and is a great defender. He's been a powerhouse this year. He's a player the Sixers could have had years ago instead of Brand in the 2008 offseason. He also completely got ripped off by Iguodala this year by not making the All-Star game. Iguodala is not near his stature. And the Hawks are a better team.

And to all the unintelligent people who keep saying "Iggy > Melo" -- Iggy wishes he had Melo's game and offensive repertoire. Sure, kick a guy when he's down -- Melo has been injured all season and has had to deal with 4 or 5 different versions of the Knicks. To put that in perspective, there's been 4 or 5 offenses -- ones that focused on Lin, Amare and Melo individually, then collectively and everything in between.

To the one poster who said, Carmelo "41%" Anthony, does that mean that Kobe is Kobe "42%" Bryant?

People here are meaning to tell me that a lifetime 25 PPG scorer on 45% shooting on teams that have mostly won 50 games every year is an inferior player to a guy whose a great defender but is averaging merely 12 points a game this year, 15 points for his career on .500 teams and fails miserably at the word "clutch"? Dream on.

Melo is a top 5-7 player at his best. While Amare and Lin have been out, the Knicks have went 4-2 with Melo averaging 28 points and 8 rebounds on near 50% shooting. And he's been playing excellent defense. Not to mention they should have been 5-1 if not for that Indiana game.

No, Andre Iguodala would never be able to put up those statistics.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 04:51 AM
Uh, to all the posters who said who should have gotten it? Josh Smith, anyone?

He's averaging 18.9 points, 9.8 rebounds and is a great defender. He's been a powerhouse this year. He's a player the Sixers could have had years ago instead of Brand in the 2008 offseason. He also completely got ripped off by Iguodala this year by not making the All-Star game. Iguodala is not near his stature. And the Hawks are a better team.

And to all the unintelligent people who keep saying "Iggy > Melo" -- Iggy wishes he had Melo's game and offensive repertoire. Sure, kick a guy when he's down -- Melo has been injured all season and has had to deal with 4 or 5 different versions of the Knicks. To put that in perspective, there's been 4 or 5 offenses -- ones that focused on Lin, Amare and Melo individually, then collectively and everything in between.

To the one poster who said, Carmelo "41%" Anthony, does that mean that Kobe is Kobe "42%" Bryant?

People here are meaning to tell me that a lifetime 25 PPG scorer on 45% shooting on teams that have mostly won 50 games every year is an inferior player to a guy whose a great defender but is averaging merely 12 points a game this year, 15 points for his career on .500 teams and fails miserably at the word "clutch"? Dream on.

Melo is a top 5-7 player at his best. While Amare and Lin have been out, the Knicks have went 4-2 with Melo averaging 28 points and 8 rebounds on near 50% shooting. And he's been playing excellent defense. Not to mention they should have been 5-1 if not for that Indiana game.

No, Andre Iguodala would never be able to put up those statistics.

So, Melo is better because he scores more points...great logic:rolleyes:

Raph12
04-08-2012, 04:51 AM
sarcasm?

More like a bad night...

MagicBucsSox
04-08-2012, 05:10 AM
Roy hibbert

flclfanman
04-08-2012, 05:27 AM
Not even close, how about "way past his prime but still popular so the fans vote him in anyway" AI?

KingPosey
04-08-2012, 05:37 AM
Maybe 12 a game isnt sexy, but AI is as close to a "work horse" as there is. He has an extremely well rounded game.

meloman1592
04-08-2012, 09:25 AM
I dont believe iggy was a bad all star choice but you guys are really gonna say he's better than Melo? Cmon dont lie to yourselves on easter

GiantsSwaGG
04-08-2012, 09:42 AM
So, Melo is better because he scores more points...great logic:rolleyes:

So I guess Iggy>Kobe then:rolleyes:

BCpatsox18
04-08-2012, 10:18 AM
this thread is whats wrong with a lot of NBA fans today. the guy plays fantastic defense, is averaging 6 rebounds and 5 assists per game, but all of a sudden he is the worst all star choice ever because he is only averaging 12 points :facepalm:

FraziersKnicks
04-08-2012, 10:35 AM
He's playing some of the bets perimeter defense in the league.. He was deserving.

meloman1592
04-08-2012, 10:40 AM
So people are bashing melo because of the 41%. Interesting nobody brought up mr 42% bryant. Oh wait he has rings so all is forgiven

meloman1592
04-08-2012, 10:41 AM
I like iggy but why turn this into a melo hate thread. And for the record, Josh Smith>>iggy and was more deserving

PrettyBoyJ
04-08-2012, 10:49 AM
His defense made him an allstar

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 11:41 AM
So I guess Iggy>Kobe then:rolleyes:

you didnt get my point

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 11:56 AM
I like iggy but why turn this into a melo hate thread. And for the record, Josh Smith>>iggy and was more deserving

Smith is terrible on the offensive side, but since he scores more points he is automatically better than Iggy.

Iggy knows he's not a good scorer and takes less shots, on the other hand Smith takes much more shots to pad his scoring stats.

dee279
04-08-2012, 11:59 AM
Mo Williams and Jameer Nelson were horrible choices. I think Jameer was an allstar.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 12:00 PM
So people are bashing melo because of the 41%. Interesting nobody brought up mr 42% bryant. Oh wait he has rings so all is forgiven

its 43% actually

And Kobe makes his teammates better while melo is a ball stopper.

Sportfan
04-08-2012, 12:03 PM
So why isn't Tony Allen an all star snub if D is all that matters

Smoove>Iggy

GiantsSwaGG
04-08-2012, 12:08 PM
its 43% actually

And Kobe makes his teammates better while melo is a ball stopper.

Melo averages nearly 5 assist this season and has made his teammates better.

Catfish1314
04-08-2012, 12:08 PM
Jamal Magloire.

2-ONE-5
04-08-2012, 12:26 PM
Smith is terrible on the offensive side, but since he scores more points he is automatically better than Iggy.

Iggy knows he's not a good scorer and takes less shots, on the other hand Smith takes much more shots to pad his scoring stats.

well put. Compared to Smith, Iggy has a great jumper.

njnets
04-08-2012, 12:57 PM
worst ever. HA!

not even close. his offensive numbers may not be stellar, but he is one heck of a defender. that doesnt show up in the stat book.

LongIslandIcedZ
04-08-2012, 01:01 PM
The guy has a very good chance to win DPOY, he obviously isnt the worst choice of all time.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 01:12 PM
Melo averages nearly 5 assist this season and has made his teammates better.

didnt know 3.6 is almost 5:shrug:

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 01:23 PM
Is this a serious thread? These guys start threads and don't even do the proper analysis but try to make a case for themselves. Dude did you watch Andre Iguodala play in the ASG? He was more impressive than most who would have been declared more deserving than he was and that was offensively.

He is the best perimeter defender in the league and one of the most versatile as well. I mean seriously do you guys even take the time to watch the team or the player before starting such threads?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 01:34 PM
Is this a serious thread? These guys start threads and don't even do the proper analysis but try to make a case for themselves. Dude did you watch Andre Iguodala play in the ASG? He was more impressive than most who would have been declared more deserving than he was and that was offensively.

He is the best perimeter defender in the league and one of the most versatile as well. I mean seriously do you guys even take the time to watch the team or the player before starting such threads?

well look at this :p

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/search.php?searchid=20083266

Yunqn
04-08-2012, 01:39 PM
Why do people on this site have to act like a d!ck head .. If its a stupid thread then dont post.. Itll get removed..

I get his point.. He isnt 100% correct but even when he says that everyone is going to point to his defense you guys still do it.. As if you guys dont read..

If you guys are going to only point to his defense and say sarcastically defense doesnt matter then why dont we vote afflalo tony allen and etc.. Why hasnt josh smoth been voted in then.. It cleary was given to a guy on a winning team .. An thats his poont.. U guys do not read at all on this site.. But to answer it .. No .. Its jamaal magloire .. No debate

Raps08-09 Champ
04-08-2012, 01:41 PM
How'd this turn into a Melo 'hate' thread?

Someone is trying to make a claim that Iggy is turning into the worst all star player of all time. Some of us just decided to name someone that has been worse this year and it just so happens Carmelo is one of them.

Me saying Iggy > Carmelo is no different from me saying Iggy > Granger to a Pacers fan. Picking an example a person is familiar with is usually the best way to show someone they are wrong. It's not 'hate', it's logic.

Yunqn
04-08-2012, 01:42 PM
Is this a serious thread? These guys start threads and don't even do the proper analysis but try to make a case for themselves. Dude did you watch Andre Iguodala play in the ASG? He was more impressive than most who would have been declared more deserving than he was and that was offensively.

He is the best perimeter defender in the league and one of the most versatile as well. I mean seriously do you guys even take the time to watch the team or the player before starting such threads?


Agreed... No reason for this thread .. But een then the answers given were worse then the thread itself.. But your 100% right tho

h2r09
04-08-2012, 01:42 PM
he should be an all star but he is a 3rd option on a championship team. he simply is not a good offensive player

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 01:43 PM
So why isn't Tony Allen an all star snub if D is all that matters

Smoove>Iggy

Who is the best defensive team in the NBA again? Now who was the best defensive team at the break? Again who was the best defensive player on the best defensive team in the NBA?

The comment of D not mattering that much just shows that you lack basic basketball knowledge.

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 01:45 PM
Agreed... No reason for this thread .. But een then the answers given were worse then the thread itself.. But your 100% right tho

That's wrong. He is not a good scorer but as an offensive player he's one of the most valuable at his position out there. A player with his play making ability to takes such good care of the ball at the small forward position is extremely valuable to any team. He generates more offense for his team that many swingmen who are seen as better scorers than him.

We need to remember that offense isn't just about scoring.

The Final Boss
04-08-2012, 01:57 PM
In before close. Oh...wait...this is page 5.

BKdoubleStacker
04-08-2012, 02:03 PM
he should be an all star but he is a 3rd option on a championship team. he simply is not a good offensive player

So i guess bosh isnt a good offensive player either since hes a 3rd option

Do you even watch him play at all ? or do you just rate players based off of ppg?

He could score 16-20 ppg if he wanted to, but he is a fantastic passer.

dee279
04-08-2012, 02:04 PM
Iggy>Roy Hibbert so Iggy wasnt even the worst player on his all star team.

h2r09
04-08-2012, 02:09 PM
So i guess bosh isnt a good offensive player either since hes a 3rd option

Do you even watch him play at all ? or do you just rate players based off of ppg?

He could score 16-20 ppg if he wanted to, but he is a fantastic passer.

first off, that bosh comparison makes 0 sense.

he is not a guy capable of being a number 1 or 2 player on a championship team offensively. his defense can only go so far. most of the superstars in the league will get theirs regardless of the defender.

2-ONE-5
04-08-2012, 02:27 PM
^that is only bcuz they get the most ridiculous calls. Being a Sixers fan I see Iggy shut down every teams best player every time but the "stars" get ghost calls throughout the game that allows them to get theirs

h2r09
04-08-2012, 02:30 PM
^that is only bcuz they get the most ridiculous calls. Being a Sixers fan I see Iggy shut down every teams best player every time but the "stars" get ghost calls throughout the game that allows them to get theirs

always the refs. if anything that devalues how good he is defensively.

he is very good, no question, but he isn't anything special.

BKdoubleStacker
04-08-2012, 02:32 PM
first off, that bosh comparison makes 0 sense.

he is not a guy capable of being a number 1 or 2 player on a championship team offensively. his defense can only go so far. most of the superstars in the league will get theirs regardless of the defender.

of course not...but my point was that just because he isnt a scorer doesnt mean he isnt a good offensive player.

2-ONE-5
04-08-2012, 02:42 PM
always the refs. if anything that devalues how good he is defensively.

he is very good, no question, but he isn't anything special.

are u kidding me? Iggy is the best wing defender in the league. He plays for Team USA bcuz of his defense! during the AS game Thibs said that if it was close Iggy would be closing out the game bcuz he was the best defender they had. but yea i guess hes not anything special

reffahead
04-08-2012, 02:44 PM
Carmelo, Iggy, Joe, Deng, Pierce all redundant players. It was blasphemous that Josh Smith didn't get in over one of these guys.

On top of this, Lebron was going to play the most minutes(still have to check if he did) so guys like Iggy and Pierce were not needed per say.

TheNumber37
04-08-2012, 03:14 PM
Jamal Magloire is still a worse choice.

h2r09
04-08-2012, 03:17 PM
are u kidding me? Iggy is the best wing defender in the league. He plays for Team USA bcuz of his defense! during the AS game Thibs said that if it was close Iggy would be closing out the game bcuz he was the best defender they had. but yea i guess hes not anything special

if he was that special his team would be a lot better than about to be 8th in the east because his team around him is really good.

he is a good player, not a superstar.

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 03:24 PM
if he was that special his team would be a lot better than about to be 8th in the east because his team around him is really good.

he is a good player, not a superstar.

They'd be alot better that the best defensive team in the league all season long? Interesting.

No one said he's a superstar. No one would be that foolish I mean seriously who'd allude to him being a superstar when this is a thread of whether or not he was All Star worthy. :confused:

NYSpirit1
04-08-2012, 04:06 PM
What's that? Iguodala's better than Melo? Melo just crapped on the best team in the NBA without Stoudemire, without Lin and dropped 43 points with the game tying shot in the 4th and the game winner in OT.

You will never, ever see Andre Iguodala put on a performance like that. That was truly like a Broadway show.

zn23
04-08-2012, 04:09 PM
No. Luol Deng is worse.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-08-2012, 04:09 PM
What's that? Iguodala's better than Melo? Melo just crapped on the best team in the NBA without Stoudemire, without Lin and dropped 43 points with two game winners in the 4th and in OT.

You will never, ever see Andre Iguodala put on a performance like that. That was truly like a Broadway show.

what lmfao

Melo has been bad this season, lets not get carried away with one great game

Chronz
04-08-2012, 04:11 PM
What's that? Iguodala's better than Melo? Melo just crapped on the best team in the NBA without Stoudemire, without Lin and dropped 43 points with two game winners in the 4th and in OT.

You will never, ever see Andre Iguodala put on a performance like that. That was truly like a Broadway show.
True

Chronz
04-08-2012, 04:17 PM
JJ scored most of his points off the pnr with Dwight and off-ball screens, I wouldn't say he "lit up" Iggy in the clutch really, I'd say he hit a lot of big shots...
How else would you expect JJ to score?



Offensively it was a different story, Iggy couldn't buy a shot and Dwight keeping him out of the paint wasn't helping.

Yeah I'm talking about his level of play as a whole, his D keeps him from being pathetic obviously but hes been off his AllStar game.



Chronz did you look at the two games Orlando played without Dwight? Did you see how they played defensively (combined 100pts in the paint and over 56% shooting in both games). That's what I meant by "Dwight's impact/intangibles" defensively, he just intimidates opposing teams from attacking, moreso than anyone leaguewide.
I don't see why you think this needed any sort of clarification

THE MTL
04-08-2012, 04:22 PM
The Sixers had no allstar and that was obvious. At the time though, they were 2nd or 3rd best team in the East. Had a great record and played great basketball.

I felt that the league felt obligated to give them an allstar for that simple reason. Andre was their best player so they let him have it. He was NEVER putting up allstar numbers or anything close to that.

meloman1592
04-08-2012, 04:35 PM
This will be my only post.......

Iguodala will never ever ever ever ever ever ever in a thousand million years come close to what Melo did today. He's simply not talented enough

coryd238
04-08-2012, 04:41 PM
Before it's even said, Sixer fans will point to his defense, but unless that is translating to statistics, that shouldn't land you an All-Star bid.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever ****ing read.

BKdoubleStacker
04-08-2012, 04:45 PM
This will be my only post.......

Iguodala will never ever ever ever ever ever ever in a thousand million years come close to what Melo did today. He's simply not talented enough

and melo will never ever ever come close to the defender that iggy is.

Ill21
04-08-2012, 04:51 PM
God i hate you so much NYSpirit

koreancabbage
04-08-2012, 05:04 PM
This will be my only post.......

Iguodala will never ever ever ever ever ever ever in a thousand million years come close to what Melo did today. He's simply not talented enough

sure, but Iggy will go to a team and be an integral part of a championship team b/f Melo sniffs NBA finals.

and yes, Melo wishes he could play could play defense like Iggy. Not even close in terms of being a defensive player.

Iggy is overrated, Melo is greatly more overrated.

coryd238
04-08-2012, 05:13 PM
I love how Melo is the only that gets hated on for "not playing defense" (hint, he does) when this board praises guys like Durant and Love.

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 05:16 PM
I love how Melo is the only that gets hated on for "not playing defense" (hint, he does) when this board praises guys like Durant and Love.

:confused:

Dude haven't you seen the amount of hate Kevin Love has been getting? Kevin Durant is better than Melo as well so its no surprise to see that he'd be getting more love than Melo is.

Both Love and Durant has been better defensively at their respective positions this season than Melo has as well added to the fact that they've also be better offensively. I don't get what you're saying here honestly.

3RDASYSTEM
04-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Well avg 15ppg in Western Conference and starting as shooting guard in ASG but not on your squad is pretty ridiculous..in any conference or yr for that matter

And come to think of it,hes a fringe top 5 player ever now according to PSD

mjt20mik
04-08-2012, 05:31 PM
To see a guy averaging 12 points a game on a .500 ballclub make the All-Star team is a shame and just goes to show that coaches having sympathy picks for "team" games, ensemble casts like the Pacers and Sixers.

LMAO. Look at your boy Carmelo.

/end thread

Chronz
04-08-2012, 05:32 PM
Well avg 15ppg in Western Conference and starting as shooting guard in ASG but not on your squad is pretty ridiculous..in any conference or yr for that matter

And come to think of it,hes a fringe top 5 player ever now according to PSD
I think I would take that Kobe over most AllStars

meloman1592
04-08-2012, 05:34 PM
sure, but Iggy will go to a team and be an integral part of a championship team b/f Melo sniffs NBA finals.

and yes, Melo wishes he could play could play defense like Iggy. Not even close in terms of being a defensive player.

Iggy is overrated, Melo is greatly more overrated.

I love how you're trying to make a brand new point. This isn't about making the finals. Melo as a basketball player is better than Iggy. Melo is a cornerstone that can be built around...a closer...an elite player. Iggy is a good player, an elite defender with above average passing skills and superb athleticism. He's supposedly the "best player" on philly and yet they're 0-9 in games decided by 4 points or less. Iggy is not a good shot creator or 1 on 1 player and that is essential to be considered an elite wing player.

Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Melo, Durant....all can get themselves a shot. Iggy cannot. And while he is the better defender than Melo and probably even the rest of those guys, he just doesn't have that IT factor that they do....you know exactly what I'm talking about

coryd238
04-08-2012, 05:39 PM
:confused:

Dude haven't you seen the amount of hate Kevin Love has been getting? Kevin Durant is better than Melo as well so its no surprise to see that he'd be getting more love than Melo is.

Both Love and Durant has been better defensively at their respective positions this season than Melo has as well added to the fact that they've also be better offensively. I don't get what you're saying here honestly.

That is not true at all. Both Durant and Love are awful defenders, Melo's been average most of the season, but great since Woodson took over.

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 05:52 PM
That is not true at all. Both Durant and Love are awful defenders, Melo's been average most of the season, but great since Woodson took over.

Well based on what I have watched this season (I've seen Love play more than both Melo and Durant but have seen quite a few NYK and OKC games) the opinions of others who IMO have a solid understanding of the game and the many different statistics that have been out there stating that Durant and Love are awful defenders is ridiculous and stating that Carmelo Anthony has been average for the most part and not okay, not good but great since Woodson has taken over couldn't be further from the truth.

I mean seriously someone just said great defense and Carmelo Anthony in the same sentence. Seriously?

thephillykid520
04-08-2012, 05:58 PM
Guys, excuse me here if I repeat what people have said...but I read the initial thread starter and just felt the need to go straight to here and blurt out my thoughts:

YOU ARE A FRIGGIN MORON...

The 76ers, are going through a struggle right now undeniably. We aren't the same team we once were, and we cant seem to all get on the same page as we once were. With that said, Iggy, although criticized for his lack of clutch play and his contract (which blame the front office and good selling by his agent for that), he IS an All-Star.

He doesn't wow you anywhere on the offensive end, but the guy in his career averages 15+ ppg, just under 6 rpg, and just under 5 apg. That's nothing to look past. The guy isn't a lights out shooter, but he brings you just about everything else. The sixers have never really paired him with a legitimate scoring threat in their prime. With that offense, he has been one of the top defenders in the NBA over the last 8 years. The guy has shut down majority of his opponents, and contained the best. He is as complete of a compliment guard as you can get on any team. Pairing him with Kobe for those 8 years could have been extremely dangerous.

So before you speak, think how much of a moron you are, worry about your Knicks who are still below the struggling Sixers, and throw in the towel. Philly doesnt back down. I really hope the Bucks take your spot more than ever now because of you.

You Lose! Good Day Sir!

joe1nas
04-08-2012, 06:23 PM
Ben Wallace made it because of his GREAT defense... Just like Artest and many others

and that's why Andre Iguodala was well deserved

artest was also averaging like 20ppg

meloman1592
04-08-2012, 06:24 PM
Guys, excuse me here if I repeat what people have said...but I read the initial thread starter and just felt the need to go straight to here and blurt out my thoughts:

YOU ARE A FRIGGIN MORON...

The 76ers, are going through a struggle right now undeniably. We aren't the same team we once were, and we cant seem to all get on the same page as we once were. With that said, Iggy, although criticized for his lack of clutch play and his contract (which blame the front office and good selling by his agent for that), he IS an All-Star.

He doesn't wow you anywhere on the offensive end, but the guy in his career averages 15+ ppg, just under 6 rpg, and just under 5 apg. That's nothing to look past. The guy isn't a lights out shooter, but he brings you just about everything else. The sixers have never really paired him with a legitimate scoring threat in their prime. With that offense, he has been one of the top defenders in the NBA over the last 8 years. The guy has shut down majority of his opponents, and contained the best. He is as complete of a compliment guard as you can get on any team. Pairing him with Kobe for those 8 years could have been extremely dangerous.

So before you speak, think how much of a moron you are, worry about your Knicks who are still below the struggling Sixers, and throw in the towel. Philly doesnt back down. I really hope the Bucks take your spot more than ever now because of you.

You Lose! Good Day Sir!

Allen Iverson...

thephillykid520
04-08-2012, 06:51 PM
Allen Iverson...

in his rookie and sophmore season....

id hardly say thats giving him someone to really build with...

TeamSeattle
04-08-2012, 07:26 PM
I think Roy Hibbert would beat him out by an inch for that award

boolish
04-08-2012, 08:37 PM
hey OP obviously you love chuckers. if you can chuck the ball you're good right? AI flat out plays all around game and you denigrate (look it up) his skills? not everybody can be a "volume shooter" like the heroes CA and ME.

qks19
04-08-2012, 08:55 PM
With the Sixers freefall, effectively 9-17 after a 20-9 start - Andre Iguodala is looking like the worst choice I've ever seen in the All-Star game right alongside Jamaal Magloire.

This guy is averaging 12.1 points per game, shooting 62.2 percent from the line, 5.5 APG and 6.2 RPG and nonetheless has missed every big shot for his team in close games. Before it's even said, Sixer fans will point to his defense, but unless that is translating to statistics, that shouldn't land you an All-Star bid.

To see a guy averaging 12 points a game on a .500 ballclub make the All-Star team is a shame and just goes to show that coaches having sympathy picks for "team" games, ensemble casts like the Pacers and Sixers.

im a huge sixers fan and im in the sixers thread now talking about how he is one of the most overrated players in the league and everybody is hating on my for saying it.

SpaceJamJordans
04-08-2012, 09:18 PM
no

knicksfan42
04-08-2012, 09:23 PM
Well based on what I have watched this season (I've seen Love play more than both Melo and Durant but have seen quite a few NYK and OKC games) the opinions of others who IMO have a solid understanding of the game and the many different statistics that have been out there stating that Durant and Love are awful defenders is ridiculous and stating that Carmelo Anthony has been average for the most part and not okay, not good but great since Woodson has taken over couldn't be further from the truth.

I mean seriously someone just said great defense and Carmelo Anthony in the same sentence. Seriously?

I cannot talk about Melo in comparison to Love or Durant, but I can say that he has in fact been an average defender for most of the season and very good since Woodson became head coach. The Knicks have been a good defensive team this season and while Chandler and Woodson have a lot to do with it, so does the entire team stepping their defense up especially Melo. We played good D with a line up of Lin, Fields, Melo, Amare, and Chandler. A huge reason for that is Melo's drastic improvement on the defensive end.

While my being a Knicks fan may indicate a bias, I can assure you that I frequently disparage our players for poor play and percieved weaknesses. Amare is IMO the worst PF defender in the league for instance. Melo; however, has absolutely stepped his defensive game way up.

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 10:21 PM
I cannot talk about Melo in comparison to Love or Durant, but I can say that he has in fact been an average defender for most of the season and very good since Woodson became head coach. The Knicks have been a good defensive team this season and while Chandler and Woodson have a lot to do with it, so does the entire team stepping their defense up especially Melo. We played good D with a line up of Lin, Fields, Melo, Amare, and Chandler. A huge reason for that is Melo's drastic improvement on the defensive end.

While my being a Knicks fan may indicate a bias, I can assure you that I frequently disparage our players for poor play and percieved weaknesses. Amare is IMO the worst PF defender in the league for instance. Melo; however, has absolutely stepped his defensive game way up.

I see Paul Pierce as an average defender at the SF position, LeBron James as very good and Andre Iguodala as very good. So tell me is Melo at his best this season on any of those players level?

Has Melo stepped up his D yes. Its common knowledge for years that if Melo actually wants to be a he can be a decent defender but early this season he was no where near trying defensively and this was evident from the get go damn near every Knicks fan was on him for it I'd be willing to bet yourself included. No one was saying he was average on that end of the floor. And yes he has done recently and as compared to his very low standards that was set early this season he has been very good defensively but seriously compared to the rest of the league he has been good at best as of recent.

pd7631
04-08-2012, 10:39 PM
Wow, I've seen several people claim that Andre Iguodala is better than Carmelo Anthony.....that's absolutely insane. Iggy has never been able to lead the Sixers to a record better than .500, and in all honesty, I think Iggy could only be considered the Sixers best player for about a season and a half of his entire career. Andre Miller was a better player than him when he was here, and obviously Allen Iverson was better.

The Sixers were the #1 defense in the NBA a majority of this season, but they suck because.....they can't put the ball in the basket. And as the team's "best player" Iggy should be the guy to at least "attempt" to lead and score the ball. But even at the request of Doug Collins for him to score more, Iggy has refused to do so. HE IS A BONA FIDE LOSER. In a recent SI article, he even said that he feels like he's still the man(as if he ever was the man), so it's not like he's not on an ego trip.

Is he the worst All Star ever? No. But he is completely overrated, and when it comes to intangibles and attitude vs. statistics, this is a case where you can truly see the difference in what being a stat stuffer vs. being a gamer makes.

Again...Iggy is a LOSER. Gimme Melo all day everyday and twice on Sundays(especially this Sunday).

knicksfan42
04-08-2012, 10:41 PM
I see Paul Pierce as an average defender at the SF position, LeBron James as very good and Andre Iguodala as very good. So tell me is Melo at his best this season on any of those players level?

Has Melo stepped up his D yes. Its common knowledge for years that if Melo actually wants to be a he can be a decent defender but early this season he was no where near trying defensively and this was evident from the get go damn near every Knicks fan was on him for it I'd be willing to bet yourself included. No one was saying he was average on that end of the floor. And yes he has done recently and as compared to his very low standards that was set early this season he has been very good defensively but seriously compared to the rest of the league he has been good at best as of recent.

I see Amare as an abhorrently awful defender, Melo as an average defender, Shumpert as a very good defender, and Tyson Chandler as an excellent defender. I think Melo in the totality of the season has been as good as Paul Pierce on the defensive end. Our defense has been very good this season despite a line-up of Lin, Fields, Melo, Amare, and Chandler (I refuse to speak about our line-ups through the first 3rd of the season which included Toney Douglas and Billy Waler). Lin and Fields are generally regarded by Knicks fans as below average defenders (even though I believe Fields is an ok defender and Lin can be one sometimes), Amare is well Amare, and Chandler is obviously excellent. One major reason for this is Melo playing average-good defense for most of the season. I think people's preconceived notions of the Knicks and Melo play a large part in their current judgement of him. The fact is since the all-star break we have been the best defense in the NBA and I can assure that we would not be if Melo wasn't playing very good defense.

LongIslandIcedZ
04-08-2012, 10:44 PM
Things like:

Average-
Good-
Very Good-
Great-

Are very subjective terms. What can be great for someone might only be good for someone else, its silly to argue about that. Carmelo's defense since Woodson has took over is good enough to not cost the Knicks much. People arent watching recent games saying Carmelo on defense is greatly hurting the Knicks. Would their team defense be better with Lebron or AI? Sure, no doubt. But Carmelo is more than holding his own on the defensive end. He isnt getting lazy, keeping his man in front of him, and not letting guys walk to the rim.

This doesnt let him off the hook though. The defense he played with D'Antoni at the helm was embarrassing. You're a professional and should be playing hard regardless of who the coach is.

Melo needs to continue to play the defensive intensity that he has been playing with the last few weeks. He has not been a liability on defense. Now Stat? Different story entirely....

Swashcuff
04-08-2012, 11:33 PM
Things like:

Average-
Good-
Very Good-
Great-

Are very subjective terms. What can be great for someone might only be good for someone else, its silly to argue about that. Carmelo's defense since Woodson has took over is good enough to not cost the Knicks much. People arent watching recent games saying Carmelo on defense is greatly hurting the Knicks. Would their team defense be better with Lebron or AI? Sure, no doubt. But Carmelo is more than holding his own on the defensive end. He isnt getting lazy, keeping his man in front of him, and not letting guys walk to the rim.

This doesnt let him off the hook though. The defense he played with D'Antoni at the helm was embarrassing. You're a professional and should be playing hard regardless of who the coach is.

Melo needs to continue to play the defensive intensity that he has been playing with the last few weeks. He has not been a liability on defense. Now Stat? Different story entirely....

Plain and simple this is exactly what we're talking about. I think anyone stating that Carmelo was average defensively earlier this season certainly isn't being honest with themselves and is letting their homerism get the way better of them.

Just like saying Durant and Love have been awful on D this season shows that that person hasn't really paid much attention to either player.

Valkyrie
04-09-2012, 06:36 AM
Jammal Maglorie, Dale Davis, BJ Armstrong, Brad Miller, Wally Szczerbiak, Theo Ratliff, Mo Williams, Jameer Nelson, Allen Iverson (2010), Jayson Williams, Anthony Mason, LeBron James, Tyrone Hill, Nick Van Axel, Rashard Lewis, Josh Howard, Mehmet Okur

benzni
04-09-2012, 08:19 AM
does anyone even watch the all-star game.

Who gives a ****

mdm692
04-09-2012, 08:37 AM
Talking about defense did anybody see jr smith get all up in d-rose's face today i think it was in the 4th quarter for a couple seconds but o didnt know jr smith could lockdown people like that.

BklynKnicks3
04-09-2012, 09:30 AM
how dare u name iggy n melo in same sentence taht should be a ban

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-09-2012, 09:48 AM
I love how Melo is the only that gets hated on for "not playing defense" (hint, he does) when this board praises guys like Durant and Love.

Durant has more defensive win shares than melo has offensive WS:laugh2:

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-09-2012, 09:50 AM
That is not true at all. Both Durant and Love are awful defenders, Melo's been average most of the season, but great since Woodson took over.

:facepalm:

Durant is miles ahead of Melo in defense.

Cal827
04-09-2012, 10:57 AM
I just got a crazy idea.. We need to start trolling the mods more and bickering with each other less :D

Cal827
04-09-2012, 10:58 AM
I just got another crazy idea... We need to make a fusion machine... Put Melo in one Pod and Igoudala in the other.. We get Carmelo Igoudala... An unstoppable force on offense, while an immovable object on defense... eat your heart out MJ... all of those superstar bulls*it calls can't save you now! :D

Cal827
04-09-2012, 10:59 AM
I just got a third Idea.... I think I'll put the bong down for now.

GiantsSwaGG
04-09-2012, 11:31 AM
Melo is a top 10-15 player...Iggy is not even close!

basketfan4life
04-09-2012, 11:52 AM
2nd 76er Hate Thread lol .... Well Bud honestly im not a big fan of Iggy BUT! ... he is a defender, and 100% NOT THE WORSE ALL STAR SELECTION! .... Problem with him is, he has SO MUCH TALENT, but has no idea how to use it, and settles for bad jump shots, when he can get to the rim anytime he wants :(

this is so wrong, and seems like a common knowledge nowadays, not just about ai. İf that were the case, the league would have been full of 20+ scorers with high %fg, all athletic beasts.

Driving to the rim is not about pure athleticism, footwork and ballhandling skills are just as important.

willabeast77
04-09-2012, 12:22 PM
Iguodala has been off since the allstar break and I'm not sure what's going on with the Sixers. He should be taking more than 10 shots per game and averaging more than 12 ppg (4th on the team). I find it a little odd how Lou Williams is their leading scoring while coming off the bench. I thought by now Iguodala would at least be a 20 pt scorer. The Sixers should trade him and build around Evan Turner, Jrue Holiday.

Stinkyoutsider
04-09-2012, 12:25 PM
I think he's a good point forward for the Sixers right now? As far as an all-star, he deserved it. Defense isn't flashy but it wins games in the playoffs. I agree though, his decision making when it comes to him getting his own shots needs improvement though. Get to the hoop more!

joeboow90
04-09-2012, 12:31 PM
See Tim Duncan last year.

WAYNEBO
04-09-2012, 11:41 PM
Worry about the Knicks and all their "stars"

Hey... who is the girl in your sig pic?

Wolfman01
04-10-2012, 12:15 AM
Defense and rebounding wins basketball game and that's why he was voted to the all star game. Andre Iguodala played superb defense this year and has been doing it for his whole career. The guy is starting to slow down as he age but I believe he earned this all star nod. It may be his all star only for his whole entire career.

2-ONE-5
04-10-2012, 02:10 PM
^Age? he is 27

Alayla
04-11-2012, 03:00 AM
this is so wrong, and seems like a common knowledge nowadays, not just about ai. İf that were the case, the league would have been full of 20+ scorers with high %fg, all athletic beasts.

Driving to the rim is not about pure athleticism, footwork and ballhandling skills are just as important.

Iggy did score 20 ppg one year acutally also don't bring up ballhandleing as if is a weakness for iggy there is a reason that hs mostly a point forward

Alayla
04-11-2012, 03:06 AM
Iguodala has been off since the allstar break and I'm not sure what's going on with the Sixers. He should be taking more than 10 shots per game and averaging more than 12 ppg (4th on the team). I find it a little odd how Lou Williams is their leading scoring while coming off the bench. I thought by now Iguodala would at least be a 20 pt scorer. The Sixers should trade him and build around Evan Turner, Jrue Holiday.

Iggy is not off... the 10 shots a game has been the norm even when we where 20 and 9 and lou was our leading scorer then too have you even wacthed philly this year? I don't disargee with tradeing him and rebuilding but this post makes you sound like you haven't seen a sixers game or even followed them statisticly untill today? And he could be a 20 ppg scorer if his main focas was looking to score and its not. That aside the reason we are sucking is the team effort is at an alltime low right now. And the players and tuneing out the coacth and giveing up none of these things can be pinned on iggy

willabeast77
04-11-2012, 11:28 AM
Iggy is not off... the 10 shots a game has been the norm even when we where 20 and 9 and lou was our leading scorer then too have you even wacthed philly this year? I don't disargee with tradeing him and rebuilding but this post makes you sound like you haven't seen a sixers game or even followed them statisticly untill today? And he could be a 20 ppg scorer if his main focas was looking to score and its not. That aside the reason we are sucking is the team effort is at an alltime low right now. And the players and tuneing out the coacth and giveing up none of these things can be pinned on iggy

I watched the Sixers all the time, and Iguodala has been too passive mostly after the allstar break. It seems mostly like he's disinterested in the game. He should be more aggressive and be taking more shots. The Sixers team should be played at a faster tempo also, it would help the players.

JNA17
04-11-2012, 12:50 PM
Josh Smith is just as good of a defender if not better then Iggy while also putting up much better offensive numbers.

The fact that Iggy gets the all star nod over Smith was total bull crap

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-11-2012, 02:43 PM
Josh Smith is just as good of a defender if not better then Iggy while also putting up much better offensive numbers.

The fact that Iggy gets the all star nod over Smith was total bull crap

no, let iggy take as much shots as smoove and he would put up same stats.

willabeast77
04-11-2012, 05:30 PM
Josh Smith is just as good of a defender if not better then Iggy while also putting up much better offensive numbers.

The fact that Iggy gets the all star nod over Smith was total bull crap

True. Josh Smith deserved it more but Iguodala made it because of the Sixers record and him being a guard.

Swashcuff
04-11-2012, 05:46 PM
Josh Smith is just as good of a defender if not better then Iggy while also putting up much better offensive numbers.

The fact that Iggy gets the all star nod over Smith was total bull crap

:laugh:

Smith is what? Smith is a borderline mediocre defender at the PF position. Elton Brand is a better defender than Smith is at this point in their respective careers. Smith is a good shot blocker, with quick hands but most of his shot blocking comes from the weak side and help. That doesn't make him a good defender.

There is a reason why Iggy is among the front runners for DPOY and Smith is no where in the running whatsoever. How on earth can Smith be better than him?


True. Josh Smith deserved it more but Iguodala made it because of the Sixers record and him being a guard.

Iguodala isn't a guard. He actually hasn't played any guard this entire season. :confused:

Josh Smith didn't deserve it more than Iguodala. He deserved it more than Luol Deng.

Why no mention of Luol Deng this entire thread? Iggy has continued to be better than Deng but its as if everyone has forgotten that Deng was selected to the ASG as well (by his own team's head coach) ahead of Smith. Iggy played like he deserve to be there as Thibs even said that if the game was a close one he'd have Iggy out there in the end since Iggy was his team's best defensive perimeter player.

NYSpirit1
04-19-2012, 01:24 AM
So, is Andre Iguodala still better than Carmelo Anthony?

ManRam
04-19-2012, 01:26 AM
You're killing it with these threads!



The answer: NO!

The reason: because at the time, he deserved it.

We can all move along now...

reffahead
04-19-2012, 09:37 AM
no, let iggy take as much shots as smoove and he would put up same stats.

Iggy is a terrible offensive player. It's the very reason why he doesn't take more shots. I have never seen a swingman (for crying out loud) average 12.5 and make the team. It's preposterous.

BklynKnicks3
04-19-2012, 10:12 AM
Lol where are those who actually compared iggy to melo lmao these 2 weeks for melo > iggy career

Sox72
04-19-2012, 10:23 AM
:laugh:

Smith is what? Smith is a borderline mediocre defender at the PF position. Elton Brand is a better defender than Smith is at this point in their respective careers. Smith is a good shot blocker, with quick hands but most of his shot blocking comes from the weak side and help. That doesn't make him a good defender.

There is a reason why Iggy is among the front runners for DPOY and Smith is no where in the running whatsoever. How on earth can Smith be better than him?



Iguodala isn't a guard. He actually hasn't played any guard this entire season. :confused:

Josh Smith didn't deserve it more than Iguodala. He deserved it more than Luol Deng.

Why no mention of Luol Deng this entire thread? Iggy has continued to be better than Deng but its as if everyone has forgotten that Deng was selected to the ASG as well (by his own team's head coach) ahead of Smith. Iggy played like he deserve to be there as Thibs even said that if the game was a close one he'd have Iggy out there in the end since Iggy was his team's best defensive perimeter player.

I have to disagree. I'll take Deng over both.