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Fresno
04-06-2012, 04:12 PM
Both were teammates on the AAU Team, Mean Street Express.

If Chicago were to pursue Eric Gordon in a Sign & Trade this summer, could a backcourt of Derrick Rose & Eric Gordon be successful in the NBA?

- Derrick Rose is the MVP. Hes the best scoring PG in the NBA but Chicago might be better off if they have a true #2 option who can pick up the scoring load and cause defenses to have to try to decide who to stop each time down the floor a la James/Wade and Durant/Westbrook.

- EJ is one of the best young SG's in the NBA but hes considered undersized at 6'3. EJ says that he wants to win a Scoring Title and would have no problem playing next to Rose as he can slash to the basket and hit 3's. The only question would be if their backcourt is too undersized with both being 6'3.

justinnum1
04-06-2012, 04:17 PM
who are they trading?

Fresno
04-06-2012, 04:18 PM
Just a hypothetical trade that is unlikely anyways.

Hornets: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, 2012 1st Round Pick, Future Bobcats unprotected(2016) 1st Round Pick

Bulls: Eric Gordon, Emeka Okafor

chicago lulz
04-06-2012, 04:18 PM
who are they trading?

How is this question relevant to OP's question?

Silent
04-06-2012, 04:19 PM
Just a hypothetical trade that is unlikely anyways.

Hornets: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, 2012 1st Round Pick, Future Bobcats unprotected 1st Round Pick

Bulls: Eric Gordon, Emeka Okafor

:facepalm: Wtf are you smoking

ManRam
04-06-2012, 04:19 PM
I doubt NOH is going to move him for anything but young players and draft picks.

I actually doubt NOH is going to let him go, period. They'll pay him whatever they need to and keep him.


But sure. It could co-exist. Why couldn't it? I don't think the Bulls necessarily need a star SG, though.

waveycrockett
04-06-2012, 04:23 PM
They dont have the cap room to sign him so im not even sure the point of this question but short answer is yes. Gordon is very good playing without the ball

da ThRONe
04-06-2012, 04:25 PM
I don't think they can. Both are more combo players

I'd say Rose is 60%PG 40%SG and EJ is 35%PG 65%SG. Either way both guy need to dominate the ball to give you maxium value and neither are great defenders.

uprightciti
04-06-2012, 04:26 PM
this is dumb

Laces-Out
04-06-2012, 04:27 PM
Just a hypothetical trade that is unlikely anyways.

Hornets: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, 2012 1st Round Pick, Future Bobcats unprotected(2016) 1st Round Pick

Bulls: Eric Gordon, Emeka Okafor

wtf? why? the bulls already have good chemistry......:facepalm:

Fresno
04-06-2012, 04:27 PM
:facepalm: Wtf are you smoking

Its unlikely, but if a deal to get Eric Gordon to Chicago would go down it would be similar to that.

Both Deng & Noah have maxed out as far as the type of players they'll be in the NBA, while Eric Gordon recently turned 23 and is poised to eventually become the best SG in the NBA in a few more years to go along with the best PG in the NBA in Derrick Rose.

He's had injury issues the last 2 seasons but when he was healthy last year he was leading the Clippers mid-season in their Playoff push when he was averaging 24.2 PPG on 46% from the Field and 43% from 3.

Both guys are 23 so you could have a great duo for a decade.

justinnum1
04-06-2012, 04:30 PM
I'd be pretty concerned with Gordon's knee

Fresno
04-06-2012, 04:31 PM
I don't think they can. Both are more combo players

I'd say Rose is 60%PG 40%SG and EJ is 35%PG 65%SG. Either way both guy need to dominate the ball to give you maxium value and neither are great defenders.
Both guys are 2 of the best defenders at their position.

I wouldn't call either of them "great" but they are both very "good" and can be lockdown defenders on their man in some games.

Also EJ doesn't need to dominate the ball. He's a far better player off the ball, which will allow Derrick Rose to continue running the offense at PG.

Fresno
04-06-2012, 04:36 PM
I doubt NOH is going to move him for anything but young players and draft picks.

I actually doubt NOH is going to let him go, period. They'll pay him whatever they need to and keep him.


But sure. It could co-exist. Why couldn't it? I don't think the Bulls necessarily need a star SG, though.

The only issue is if David Stern will sign off on a deal that will "overpay" Eric Gordon this summer.

Gordon wants a similar contract to Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love a $15 Million per season.

Considering he'll be the 2nd best Free Agent this summer behind Deron Williams it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he will get an offer sheet at that price from some team who believes it will pay off in the end.

Because Gordon hasn't played much this season, it will basically be another "Pay for Potential" deal that NBA GM's make that overpays a young player. That will essentially make David Stern apart of the same problem he wanted to fix considering the purpose of the lockout was about teams losing money due to contracts like that.

Fresno
04-06-2012, 04:40 PM
wtf? why? the bulls already have good chemistry......:facepalm:

So they're supposed to go on with that lineup forever?

I dont see Chicago being able to beat Miami until they get a true Option 1B who can help them go toe to toe with Wade & LeBron instead of expecting Derrick Rose to carry the offense by himself.

Remember that MJ kept getting beat by Detroit having to carry the team by himself until Scottie Pippen emerged.

Pierzynski4Prez
04-06-2012, 04:41 PM
Where are you getting the "J" from when you refer to him as "EJ"? Wouldn't it be EG?

Pierzynski4Prez
04-06-2012, 04:42 PM
So they're supposed to go on with that lineup forever?

I dont see Chicago being able to beat Miami until they get a true Option 1B who can help them go toe to toe with Wade & LeBron instead of expecting Derrick Rose to carry the offense by himself.

Remember that MJ kept getting beat by Detroit having to carry the team by himself until Scottie Pippen emerged.

Do you define Jason Terry as a true option 1B? I don't, so why is that a requirement to beat the Heat?

Ezio
04-06-2012, 04:54 PM
Just a hypothetical trade that is unlikely anyways.

Hornets: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, 2012 1st Round Pick, Future Bobcats unprotected(2016) 1st Round Pick

Bulls: Eric Gordon, Emeka Okafor

GarPax would laugh and hang up.

5ass
04-06-2012, 06:33 PM
could they coexist? lol they could DOMINATE if gordon is healthy, the trade is not realistic at all though.

5ass
04-06-2012, 06:34 PM
Where are you getting the "J" from when you refer to him as "EJ"? Wouldn't it be EG?

Jr

kingsdelez24
04-06-2012, 08:07 PM
Boozer, hamilton and the 2012 first round for gordon


Heat have no chance

Silent
04-06-2012, 09:24 PM
Its unlikely, but if a deal to get Eric Gordon to Chicago would go down it would be similar to that.

Both Deng & Noah have maxed out as far as the type of players they'll be in the NBA, while Eric Gordon recently turned 23 and is poised to eventually become the best SG in the NBA in a few more years to go along with the best PG in the NBA in Derrick Rose.

He's had injury issues the last 2 seasons but when he was healthy last year he was leading the Clippers mid-season in their Playoff push when he was averaging 24.2 PPG on 46% from the Field and 43% from 3.

Both guys are 23 so you could have a great duo for a decade.


Deng only 27 then we give away Noah for a bum and 2 picks one projected to be a lottery u got to be kidding EG knee is a concern i would never give Deng or Noah for a injury prone shooting guard

Fresno
04-06-2012, 10:45 PM
Deng only 27 then we give away Noah for a bum and 2 picks one projected to be a lottery u got to be kidding EG knee is a concern i would never give Deng or Noah for a injury prone shooting guard

Yes, Deng is only 27. Thats far more than enough time to realize that he's maxed out on his potential as a player. He proved he couldn't lead the Bulls as a #1 option and its obvious now that he's never going to turn into an Elite player at his position. Hes a borderline Top 5 SF, so I'm not saying all of that to diss him.

How is Emeka Okafor this "bum" now? Overpaid? Yes. But he'd start on 1/2 the teams in the NBA right now. He put up the same numbers last year that Noah is doing right now. Everybody seems to forget that hes taken the role of a defensive post presence in New Orleans, although he showed in Charlotte he can give you more scoring production to go along with it. He has trouble with length on defense because he plays under the rim, but thats no different than Noah's struggle with stronger big men donw low.

Chicago's 2012 1st Round Pick would be #30.

The Charlotte pick wont be conveyed until 2016 and you have no way to predict that Charlotte is still going to be the worst team in the NBA 4 seasons from now. With Rick Cho running the team, it isn't hard to suggest that if they keep on sucking as much as they do and getting Top 5 picks that eventually they're going to turn the corner and be better.

da ThRONe
04-06-2012, 11:51 PM
Where are you getting the "J" from when you refer to him as "EJ"? Wouldn't it be EG?

Eric Jr..

flclfanman
04-08-2012, 05:42 AM
Just a hypothetical trade that is unlikely anyways.

Hornets: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, 2012 1st Round Pick, Future Bobcats unprotected(2016) 1st Round Pick

Bulls: Eric Gordon, Emeka Okafor

WAAAYYY to much. We'd be trading our too best defenders (and damn good chemistry) for a talented player who can't stay on the court.

I'd rather take a flyer at Allen or Mayo next year.

rcxa
04-14-2012, 03:39 AM
It would have taken about Half of that to land melo who bulls fans want nothing to do with what makes you think anyone in bullsland is going to trade our two best defensive players an core of this team for a shooting guard that has major health concerns. The package that you offered fres would be enough to land a lot more than eric f-in gordon and em ska okavor

kozelkid
04-14-2012, 01:11 PM
Just a hypothetical trade that is unlikely anyways.

Hornets: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, 2012 1st Round Pick, Future Bobcats unprotected(2016) 1st Round Pick

Bulls: Eric Gordon, Emeka Okafor

I'd hate to deal Deng, but I'd do it if Noah and Okafor aren't in the deal. And I'd definitely do it if it's Noah and Okafor and no Deng in the deal.

I don't see the reasoning for NO though. EJ, when healthy, is a max contract type player. He should get a max extension and is a player they can build around for the future. You can't build around Noah or Deng. Besides, EJ is not a disgruntled star like Howard or CP3. At least no yet, so no reason to trade a franchise player.

TrueFan420
04-17-2012, 03:14 AM
Its unlikely, but if a deal to get Eric Gordon to Chicago would go down it would be similar to that.

Both Deng & Noah have maxed out as far as the type of players they'll be in the NBA, while Eric Gordon recently turned 23 and is poised to eventually become the best SG in the NBA in a few more years to go along with the best PG in the NBA in Derrick Rose.

He's had injury issues the last 2 seasons but when he was healthy last year he was leading the Clippers mid-season in their Playoff push when he was averaging 24.2 PPG on 46% from the Field and 43% from 3.

Both guys are 23 so you could have a great duo for a decade.

James Harden says what up

aussie
04-18-2012, 07:30 AM
I don't see why good teams fans think they arn't good enough...you're coming first?

But sure Fresno i'll take that trade.

Dragic/Vasquez
Rivers/Belinelli/Henry
Deng/Aminu
Davis/Landry/Ayon
Noah/Melo/JSmith

Looks good on New Orleans behalf