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Chronz
04-03-2012, 08:37 PM
Question inspired by this article on ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/13215/charting-the-heat-five-problems-for-miami

They finished with the 23rd ranked offense in the month of March, their pace-n-space offense was geared behind Brons freakish open court display early in the year but that has completely died out, Wade is settling for more jumpers and the 3pt specialists are mired in a slump.

Is the lockout catching up to them or do they just want the playoffs to start, either way if Im the coach Im sitting my Big 3 at some point before the playoffs.

Aust
04-03-2012, 08:45 PM
I'm guessing a bit of both. All teams go through their lapses

Cubby
04-03-2012, 08:46 PM
I thought I was the only one seeing this.

justinnum1
04-03-2012, 08:51 PM
bored, just wait till the playoffs

lakerboy
04-03-2012, 08:52 PM
Just wait until the playoffs. I think this year the Heat is considered already one of the experienced teams that just wait until the playoffs.

TheWhiteMamba
04-03-2012, 08:54 PM
Tired.

kozelkid
04-03-2012, 08:54 PM
Call me old-fashioned but I'm not a big fan of the whole rest before playoffs routine. Just seems like a very soft and poor mentality. You never saw MJ or Scottie rest up for the playoffs.

I can understand it for football to some degree, since injuries happen at such a higher percentage. But in basketball, I just don't like the idea of letting up your aggression. I'm fine with limiting their PT to some degree, but don't have them skip games.

As for why they're struggling at the moment, I think it's a combination of both. Lebron has been going full out for the first few months of the season, which surprised me a little cause I'd expect him to realize he needs to pace himself for a deep playoff run. However, Miami also has a tendency of being VERY inconsistent mentally. When they struggle, they struggle BIG. When they are clicking, they are absolutely dominating. They're pretty much bipolar.

PhillyFaninLA
04-03-2012, 08:59 PM
Over the course of a season (any season not just this compressed one) you can post this and replace the Heat with any team in the league at some point during the season.

Mikeleafs
04-03-2012, 09:02 PM
IMO, they have no motivation/spirit to fight.... In part the coach should get that out of their players and in part it should come from within... And considering that 2 of the "big" 3 gave up on their teams the lack of fight really doesnt surprise me.

Chronz
04-03-2012, 09:02 PM
Call me old-fashioned but I'm not a big fan of the whole rest before playoffs routine. Just seems like a very soft and poor mentality. You never saw MJ or Scottie rest up for the playoffs.

I can understand it for football to some degree, since injuries happen at such a higher percentage. But in basketball, I just don't like the idea of letting up your aggression. I'm fine with limiting their PT to some degree, but don't have them skip games.

As for why they're struggling at the moment, I think it's a combination of both. Lebron has been going full out for the first few months of the season, which surprised me a little cause I'd expect him to realize he needs to pace himself for a deep playoff run. However, Miami also has a tendency of being VERY inconsistent mentally. When they struggle, they struggle BIG. When they are clicking, they are absolutely dominating. They're pretty much bipolar.
Those guys were gazelles tho, Bron is built like a tank which keeps him healthy, unfortunately it takes alot of gas to keep him going and Wade can be prone to injury. It may just be a coincidence but I dont risk it.

Brons start to the season was kind of disappointing because I do think he was gassed come Finals and I was hoping for a slow start that got stronger. I have mixed feelings on this, some people think a fast paced offense can be prone to running out of sizzle but others say a half court game is more grueling and exhaustive, so I dont know if its their offensive philosophy, or the lockout, or just sheer boredom. Could be they are just in a slump like any other team. But Im curious to see how many teams saw their efficiency rates fluctuate so dramatically in month to month spans. I know the Lakers have continued to get worse defensively after a strong start. Which version of those teams is the one we will see in the playoffs.

Hollinger always says how you play going into the playoffs matters, even lightswitch teams/players start gearing up right about now.

ManningToTyree
04-03-2012, 09:04 PM
I hope they are fresh enough to beat philly tonight

ManRam
04-03-2012, 09:04 PM
Both. I think some of their problems are real...but I think most of it is indifference right now. I don't think that's a good sign...but everyone, especially the "haters", said all season that all that matters for these guys now is the post-season. I think that's even how they genuinely feel too.

kdspurman
04-03-2012, 09:14 PM
I hate when people say a team is bored. Every game matters. It's not like they won the title and they're just trying to get into the playoffs to defend their title. They're trying to win games too. Just cause they're not winning games and playing poorly doesn't mean they're bored. That's a slap in the face to all their opponents that have beat them.

Tired is more likely a reason however, being Spo has no clue how to manage minutes and plays his guys when they're up big or down big in the 4th. But that's the problem when your bench is in the bottom 5 of production

ManRam
04-03-2012, 09:18 PM
I hate when people say a team is bored. Every game matters. It's not like they won the title and they're just trying to get into the playoffs to defend their title. They're trying to win games too. Just cause they're not winning games and playing poorly doesn't mean they're bored. That's a slap in the face to all their opponents that have beat them.

Tired is more likely a reason however, being Spo has no clue how to manage minutes and plays his guys when they're up big or down big in the 4th. But that's the problem when your bench is in the bottom 5 of production

Sure, every game matters. But would you be surprised if they didn't fully believe, or care about that? Would you be too surprised if this core of players really didn't put 100% effort into 100% of their regular season games? I wouldn't. I do think they're trying to win, but I do see a ton of effort problems at times :shrug:

I'll call it how I see it. Why do you think their defense has been so bad at times lately? Is it because they suddenly forgot how to play or suddenly became poor individual defenders? Doubtful. I think a lot of it is effort, intensity, and passion.

And as I said, if that's truly the case, it's a bad sign and a sign of a mentally weak team. But I do think they have their eyes on a bigger prize. But unlike the Bulls...they're not as hungry right now or as consistently passionate about games...and that's why right now, I'd take Chicago over the Heat. The Heat better hope they can flip a switch...but I think that's easier said than done.

kozelkid
04-03-2012, 09:22 PM
Those guys were gazelles tho, Bron is built like a tank which keeps him healthy, unfortunately it takes alot of gas to keep him going and Wade can be prone to injury. It may just be a coincidence but I dont risk it.

Brons start to the season was kind of disappointing because I do think he was gassed come Finals and I was hoping for a slow start that got stronger. I have mixed feelings on this, some people think a fast paced offense can be prone to running out of sizzle but others say a half court game is more grueling and exhaustive, so I dont know if its their offensive philosophy, or the lockout, or just sheer boredom. Could be they are just in a slump like any other team. But Im curious to see how many teams saw their efficiency rates fluctuate so dramatically in month to month spans. I know the Lakers have continued to get worse defensively after a strong start. Which version of those teams is the one we will see in the playoffs.

Hollinger always says how you play going into the playoffs matters, even lightswitch teams/players start gearing up right about now.

I'm too skeptical to believe that Miami's struggles are for real. I feel like we saw the exact same thing last season, only to watch them dominate come playoff time.

I just feel like Miami is so much more prone to these streaks than any other team. NY is maybe the only other team I look at that seems to be going through these phases. As far as Miami winning it, I think the question is can they keep the gas pedal on consistently through that 1 and a half month period of the postseason. They didn't in the finals last year and it obviously cost them. I'm not convinced they can stay focused for a prolonged period of time, but I do believe we will see the good Miami team at least in the beginning of the playoffs.

kozelkid
04-03-2012, 09:24 PM
Sure, every game matters. But would you be surprised if they didn't fully believe, or care about that? Would you be too surprised if this core of players really didn't put 100% effort into 100% of their regular season games? I wouldn't. I do think they're trying to win, but I do see a ton of effort problems at times :shrug:

I'll call it how I see it. Why do you think their defense has been so bad at times lately? Is it because they suddenly forgot how to play or suddenly became poor individual defenders? Doubtful. I think a lot of it is effort, intensity, and passion.

And as I said, if that's truly the case, it's a bad sign and a sign of a mentally weak team. But I do think they have their eyes on a bigger prize. But unlike the Bulls...they're not as hungry right now or as consistently passionate about games...and that's why right now, I'd take Chicago over the Heat. The Heat better hope they can flip a switch...but I think that's easier said than done.

This.

I mean it's no different than our own daily lives, be it school or work. I'm sure we all say we want to do the best in our studies and claim we'll study our ***** off for the next exam, only to find out we procrastinate and not try as hard as we hope. It just isn't as easy as we like to say it is.

kdspurman
04-03-2012, 09:25 PM
Sure, every game matters. But would you be surprised if they didn't fully believe, or care about that? Would you be too surprised if this core of players really didn't put 100% effort into 100% of their regular season games? I wouldn't. I do think they're trying to win, but I do see a ton of effort problems at times :shrug:

I'll call it how I see it. Why do you think their defense has been so bad at times lately? Is it because they suddenly forgot how to play or suddenly became poor individual defenders? Doubtful. I think a lot of it is effort, intensity, and passion.

And as I said, if that's truly the case, it's a bad sign and a sign of a mentally weak team. But I do think they have their eyes on a bigger prize. But unlike the Bulls...they're not as hungry right now or as consistently passionate about games...and that's why right now, I'd take Chicago over the Heat. The Heat better hope they can flip a switch...but I think that's easier said than done.

I just think it's a bail out for when a team is struggling. How can a team that hasn't won anything be coasting through the regular season? (defending champs tend to do that more so, that's not a jab at them btw) Especially when they started off so hot? I would attribute tired legs more so to their effort than them just not giving it their all.

By the way, if there's a lack of effort, it's on the coach to make a change if necessary. Bosh for example? He's been pretty pathetic as of late. Spo should've sent a message and benched one of his guys or 2 towards the end of a game just to show if you're not producing or showing a lack of heart and effort, you won't play.

championships
04-03-2012, 09:38 PM
I don't see how this team could be bored. They haven't won anything and is the most criticized team in the NBA.

They should be highly motivated. Being this close to the playoffs, you want to be playing your best ball.

ghettosean
04-03-2012, 09:39 PM
I just think it's a bail out for when a team is struggling. How can a team that hasn't won anything be coasting through the regular season? (defending champs tend to do that more so, that's not a jab at them btw) Especially when they started off so hot? I would attribute tired legs more so to their effort than them just not giving it their all.

By the way, if there's a lack of effort, it's on the coach to make a change if necessary. Bosh for example? He's been pretty pathetic as of late. Spo should've sent a message and benched one of his guys or 2 towards the end of a game just to show if you're not producing or showing a lack of heart and effort, you won't play.
This...

I've been pretty much saying this for sometime now... I think Spo needs to grow some balls and bench people when they are playing like **** to send a signal and get there heads into the game. Tired or not you can't give this type of lackluster effort if you are trying to win a championship. They did do this last year and got to the finals and 2 wins away from winning a ring but I saw a lack of mental toughness in the playoffs last year with the dancing around when being up big in games and mocking Dirk in the finals instead of just focusing on there goal. They need to finish the season strong and focus on reaching there ultimate goal... I hope we don't see a relapse of last year with the way things are going.

TylerSL
04-03-2012, 10:17 PM
You guys have to realize, Miami started their new fast pace up tempo offense this year when they have a game every other day and have a ton of back to backs. Its exhaustion. You can not run all systems go, get it down the court, out run the opponent offense in a condensed season like this. Miami doesnt have to get the first seed in the East, and Miami will not fall to #3 in the East. Miami just needs to be healthy and as focused as they were before all star break when the postseason arrives.

TylerSL
04-03-2012, 10:22 PM
Call me old-fashioned but I'm not a big fan of the whole rest before playoffs routine. Just seems like a very soft and poor mentality. You never saw MJ or Scottie rest up for the playoffs.

I can understand it for football to some degree, since injuries happen at such a higher percentage. But in basketball, I just don't like the idea of letting up your aggression. I'm fine with limiting their PT to some degree, but don't have them skip games.

As for why they're struggling at the moment, I think it's a combination of both. Lebron has been going full out for the first few months of the season, which surprised me a little cause I'd expect him to realize he needs to pace himself for a deep playoff run. However, Miami also has a tendency of being VERY inconsistent mentally. When they struggle, they struggle BIG. When they are clicking, they are absolutely dominating. They're pretty much bipolar.


I would agree with you 99% of the time, however Miami started a fast pace in a season where they play at least every other day and have many back to backs (and even a few back to back to backs). They are tired, and just need to be healthy for the postseason.

ManRam
04-03-2012, 10:24 PM
I just think it's a bail out for when a team is struggling. How can a team that hasn't won anything be coasting through the regular season? (defending champs tend to do that more so, that's not a jab at them btw) Especially when they started off so hot? I would attribute tired legs more so to their effort than them just not giving it their all.

By the way, if there's a lack of effort, it's on the coach to make a change if necessary. Bosh for example? He's been pretty pathetic as of late. Spo should've sent a message and benched one of his guys or 2 towards the end of a game just to show if you're not producing or showing a lack of heart and effort, you won't play.

It could be a cop out...maybe they just are in the middle of a genuinely rough patch of games where they're still 100% into it and giving as much effort as ever. I just don't see that...and that's why I'm not chalking it up as a normal week or two slump.

As for the second paragraph...you're right in theory, for sure. But if that happened, I'm not sure much would come out of it...could backfire. I do think IF it is effort-related, come playoff time they'll be fine. And again, I understand why people aren't OK with thinking that...and I'm not even 100% sure I fully believe it. It's just what I see.

If Spo is 100% certain that Bosh is out there just flat out not trying, then he should do it. Thing is, even if that's the case, he's still by far the best option, and that's sometimes hard to justify. I think some of this could be coming down from the coaching too. I just genuinely feel this team knows that the only thing that matters in their eyes and the entire world's eye is the Finals...and that the condensed season is getting to them. And again, I could be wrong and just feeding into an easy cop out.

Sinestro
04-03-2012, 10:27 PM
Its a bit of both I wouldn't doubt it...

LAKobeBryant
04-03-2012, 10:29 PM
Tired and bored of what they haven't accomplished anything. If that's the case it's cocky not tired and bored. And their not going to accomplish anything with a "tired and bored attitude"

AIRMAR72
04-03-2012, 10:33 PM
they cant play in a halfcourt set both bron and wade are slashers( no true post-up game) both guys needs the ball to be effective and since the heat only could attack the paint better on fastbreaks bosh and company raley attack the rim in the halfcourt set instead they rather shoot Js instead of posting N toasting the heat shouldve went after Mcgee who is now with the nuggets the heat struggle when the game slows down and rondo showed that over the wkend since he has the ability to control pace of the game and turn it to halfcourt game defend the paint slow the game down and heat are in trouble

NBA_Starter
04-03-2012, 10:40 PM
They have just been in a slump, they'll be ready come playoffs no matter where they are seeded, although finding a Center who can hit a layup would help a lot.

Longhornfan1234
04-03-2012, 11:21 PM
The Heat win again without Wade. I really think Wade should come off the bench. LeBron and Bosh play better without Wade.

gotoHcarolina52
04-03-2012, 11:39 PM
A bit of both . . . and a lot of their flaws become magnified when they aren't 100% committed to playing to their potential.

I hope their recent struggles are more a product of tiredness than of boredom, for as many others have said, fatigue is understandable, but boredom is unacceptable given that they have not yet proven they can win a championship.

Cubby
04-03-2012, 11:41 PM
A bit of both . . . and a lot of their flaws become magnified when they aren't 100% committed to playing to their potential.

I hope their recent struggles are more a product of tiredness than of boredom, for as many others have said, fatigue is understandable, but boredom is unacceptable given that they have not yet proven they can win a championship.

This. Boredom could be killer since we are so close to the playoffs. Getting hot right before hand is huge and if they aren't interested... I don't know.

TylerSL
04-03-2012, 11:42 PM
The Heat win again without Wade. I really think Wade should come off the bench. LeBron and Bosh play better without Wade.

You are a fool

xxcubs22xx
04-03-2012, 11:42 PM
Tired, bored, and slightly overrated.

Cubby
04-03-2012, 11:43 PM
You are a fool

I recommend just not acknowledging his existence.

Blitzbolt
04-03-2012, 11:44 PM
Lets face it every time other teams play the heat is like a playoff game for some reason betting the heat gives your team a boost like it or not.

So I bet its pretty tiring for them having to face the other team playing at its best.

shep33
04-03-2012, 11:44 PM
Not a Heat fan, Lakers fan in fact, but I think they're still the favorites to win it. I just cannot imagine a team with so much talent and 3 stars in their prime including LBJ (the best in the game) and Wade.

I just can't see those two not willing their way to a title this year. I'd be shocked if they didn't win.

Love Thibs and the Bulls, who I have the utmost respect for, but I'm so worried about Rose and Deng's health.

Cubby
04-03-2012, 11:45 PM
Lets face it every time other teams play the heat is like a playoff game for some reason betting the heat gives your team a boost like it or not.

So I bet its pretty tiring for them having to face the other team playing at its best.

This too. Even if the Heat don't treat it the same way, every team goes into a game against the Heat as if it is a playoff game. Especially the upper tier teams.

Cubby
04-03-2012, 11:47 PM
Not a Heat fan, Lakers fan in fact, but I think they're still the favorites to win it. I just cannot imagine a team with so much talent and 3 stars in their prime including LBJ (the best in the game) and Wade.

I just can't see those two not willing their way to a title this year. I'd be shocked if they didn't win.

Love Thibs and the Bulls, who I have the utmost respect for, but I'm so worried about Rose and Deng's health.

Deng's shot has come back recently (perfect timing IMO right before the postseason) and Rose should come back on Thursday. From there, it's anybody's guess, but I have faith in the Bulls. Their competitive drive is definitely there IMO.

EDIT: Rose's latest injury could be a blessing in disguise. Last year, he was obviously facing fatigue after an MVP season. Now, he is getting much needed rest and still has the perfect amount of time to redevelop chemistry and get going before the playoffs. If things play out right, we should be in good shape.

Marlin234
04-03-2012, 11:50 PM
Tired, bored, and overrated.

Lol...

xxcubs22xx
04-03-2012, 11:52 PM
Tired, bored, and slightly overrated.

Is really what I meant to say.

justinnum1
04-03-2012, 11:53 PM
Not a Heat fan, Lakers fan in fact, but I think they're still the favorites to win it. I just cannot imagine a team with so much talent and 3 stars in their prime including LBJ (the best in the game) and Wade.

I just can't see those two not willing their way to a title this year. I'd be shocked if they didn't win.

Love Thibs and the Bulls, who I have the utmost respect for, but I'm so worried about Rose and Deng's health.

rose will be fine, deng does need to improve his shooting tho, because even tho he is a good defender, he gets killed by bron.

shep33
04-03-2012, 11:53 PM
Deng's shot has come back recently (perfect timing IMO right before the postseason) and Rose should come back on Thursday. From there, it's anybody's guess, but I have faith in the Bulls. Their competitive drive is definitely there IMO.

EDIT: Rose's latest injury could be a blessing in disguise. Last year, he was obviously facing fatigue after an MVP season. Now, he is getting much needed rest and still has the perfect amount of time to redevelop chemistry and get going before the playoffs. If things play out right, we should be in good shape.

That's true, never thought of it in that sense. I love watching D-Rose and the Bulls play. Hopefully they're 100% ready come playoffs.

Cubby
04-04-2012, 12:00 AM
rose will be fine, deng does need to improve his shooting tho, because even tho he is a good defender, he gets killed by bron.

He's been attacking the basket a lot more lately and he's been shooting better lately as well. Our front court needs to get fed more when Rose isn't playing. They play WAY more efficiently than our back court.

Cubby
04-04-2012, 12:02 AM
That's true, never thought of it in that sense. I love watching D-Rose and the Bulls play. Hopefully they're 100% ready come playoffs.

Yeah, we are sitting pretty right now. We just need to stay healthy. That's the key.

Plus, Rip needs to get his shot going. If he can, our already very efficient offense just became that much more dynamic.

xxcubs22xx
04-04-2012, 12:04 AM
IMO the Heat would do much better with Lebron running the point

justinnum1
04-04-2012, 12:05 AM
IMO the Heat would do much better with Lebron running the point
he basically does...

Cubby
04-04-2012, 12:05 AM
Where does Chalmers play then? SG?

Cubby
04-04-2012, 12:05 AM
he basically does...

He did tonight in the fourth as far as I could tell...

Ezio
04-04-2012, 12:07 AM
I blame their coach.

Ezio
04-04-2012, 12:07 AM
IMO the Heat would do much better with Lebron running the point

He handles the ball more than Cole/Chalmers.

Blitzbolt
04-04-2012, 12:07 AM
I'm a Memphis fan and would take a Tired,Bored and overrated Heat team over chicago.I just don't see why God would give the worst player in the history of the world a ring(Carlos Boozer.)

Cubby
04-04-2012, 12:10 AM
Gotta ignore the trolls...

Ezio
04-04-2012, 12:11 AM
I'm a Memphis fan and would take a Tired,Bored and overrated Heat team over chicago.I just don't see why God would give the worst player in the history of the world a ring(Carlos Boozer.)

Sorry dude Adam Morrison already has 2.

Cubby
04-04-2012, 12:13 AM
Even Scal has one. Hell, Walton has two.

Blitzbolt
04-04-2012, 12:14 AM
But does guys never really play like Sclabrine<<miss spell it.

Cubby
04-04-2012, 12:19 AM
But does guys never really play like Sclabrine<<miss spell it.

This. This is not English.

gotoHcarolina52
04-04-2012, 12:28 AM
This. This is not English.

:laugh:

Longhornfan1234
04-04-2012, 01:16 AM
You are a fool

:facepalm:


Go look at LeBron and Bosh's numbers without Wade...and go look at the Heat's record without Wade.

Raph12
04-04-2012, 01:21 AM
I think it's a little of both; they're tired and saving their legs for the playoffs...

KB-Pau-DH2012
04-04-2012, 01:25 AM
Lets face it every time other teams play the heat is like a playoff game for some reason betting the heat gives your team a boost like it or not.

So I bet its pretty tiring for them having to face the other team playing at its best.

Welcome to the life of a Laker since the beginning of existence.

shep33
04-04-2012, 01:53 AM
Yeah, we are sitting pretty right now. We just need to stay healthy. That's the key.

Plus, Rip needs to get his shot going. If he can, our already very efficient offense just became that much more dynamic.

Yeah I hope Rip can play like he did at the start of the year. Even when he's not shooting well, he's a pretty good passer

shep33
04-04-2012, 01:53 AM
Welcome to the life of a Laker since the beginning of existence.

Absolutely

KingPosey
04-04-2012, 02:13 AM
condensed schedule, they moonwalked into the playoffs, #1 seed doesnt matter to them. They have it on cruise control.

D1JM
04-04-2012, 02:58 AM
They keep staring down opponents after dunks, shots and Time Outs so it's not like they don't care. However, when teams face the heat, bulls, thunder etc they are more motivated than facing others. They cant take the foot off the pedal

kdspurman
04-04-2012, 10:00 AM
They keep staring down opponents after dunks, shots and Time Outs so it's not like they don't care. However, when teams face the heat, bulls, thunder etc they are more motivated than facing others. They cant take the foot off the pedal

For real