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Chronz
03-31-2012, 11:20 AM
Its an award dominated by bigs and on the few occasions that a small guy happens to break through, the bigs are either having an off year or its somewhat understood that its partly a result of boredom for voting for the same guy or rewarding the small whos having a historic season for his position, tho not comparably dominant like Iggy/Deng currently.



Gary Payton is renowned for his defense but could he really be the defender of the year in a league dominated by bigmen? Think of the times, Hakeem was defending his back 2 back titles, D-Rob was anchoring an elite defense with subpar support. Dikembe was the former champ and would win the next several (for some reason). All these guys were former DPOY winners so they all gave the voters incentive to look elsewhere. In fact even the Bulls (#1 Defense) suffered from having to rely on former DPOY's (Rodman-MJ).


Ben was furious when Artest won it over him but I can definitely see the case for him that year. So it can happen legitimately , just asking, should there be 2 awards for Bigs and Perimeter players?

kdspurman
03-31-2012, 12:21 PM
Perimeter guys should definitely win. In fact, sometimes they have tougher assignments than big men. (sometimes) Like Dwight for example. How many elite centers does he have to guard? There are so many good Guards/Small Forwards in the game, that Wings have to do a lot more.

It's still a travesty to me that Bruce Bowen never won it. I mean seriously. He was a defensive specialist, and that's all he did. Same goes for guys now like Tony Allen, Shawn Marion, Iggy, etc... I hate that it automatically is Dwight now a days.

thekmp211
03-31-2012, 12:34 PM
i think two awards makes the most sense, big men are just inherently more influential on defense. for the sake of honoring superb perimeter defense i think there should be some sort of specific award.

dee279
03-31-2012, 12:53 PM
I really think they need to stop overrating rebounds into defense award. To me, Allowed PER, allowed FG% of the opponent the player defends, steals, and blocks should be the main stats to win a defensive player of the year. Dwight wins it becuz big rebound numbers and blocked shots but hes not the best defender n the league.

DLeeicious
03-31-2012, 12:55 PM
I think having separate awards would be awesome. In general I don't care at all about any award for any sport or music either for that matter (lol rock in roll hall of fame) but any way of improving it I am for and this definitely does. It's impossible to compare an elite perimeter defender to an elite post defender it's just impossible to say one is better than the other. Would love to see it separated.

DLeeicious
03-31-2012, 12:56 PM
I really think they need to stop rating rebounds into defense award. To me, Allowed PER, allowed FG% of the opponent the player defends, steals, and blocks should be all that is used to choose a defensive player of the year. Dwight wins it becuz big rebound numbers and blocked shots but hes not the best defender n the league.

Rebounding prevents extra possessions which prevents extra points - how is that not an important defensive aspect?

dee279
03-31-2012, 01:10 PM
Rebounding prevents extra possessions which prevents extra points - how is that not an important defensive aspect?

You right so kevin love should definantly be high in DPOY votes then. I am just saying it should be weighed a lil lower. Opposing PER and FG% imo should be at the top. Perimeter players would have a much better chance. Just because you a good rebounder doesnt mean u r a good defender. They have a lot of guys i could name to prove that.

Birdmannn
03-31-2012, 01:14 PM
You right so kevin love should definantly be high in DPOY votes then. I am just saying it should be weighed a lil lower. Opposing PER and FG% imo should be at the top. Perimeter players would have a much better chance. Just because you a good rebounder doesnt mean u r a good defender. They have a lot of guys i could name to prove that.

Your right and wrong, it shouldnt have such an effect on the award, but in your first post you said rebounding shouldnt matter at all which is wrong.

kozelkid
03-31-2012, 01:15 PM
Have their own.

It's the nature of the game. You will almost NEVER have a perimeter player impact a team at the defensive end like a big can.

DLeeicious
03-31-2012, 01:18 PM
You right so kevin love should definantly be high in DPOY votes then. I am just saying it should be weighed a lil lower. Opposing PER and FG% imo should be at the top. Perimeter players would have a much better chance. Just because you a good rebounder doesnt mean u r a good defender. They have a lot of guys i could name to prove that.

You said "they need to stop rating rebounds into defense award". I agree that just because you're a good rebounding doesn't imply you're a good defender I never said that. All things equal if a guy is grabbing more rebounds he is a better overall defender who is preventing points better - that is the point of defense right - to prevent points.

dee279
03-31-2012, 01:20 PM
You said "they need to stop rating rebounds into defense award". I agree that just because you're a good rebounding doesn't imply you're a good defender I never said that. All things equal if a guy is grabbing more rebounds he is a better overall defender who is preventing points better - that is the point of defense right - to prevent points.

Oh i meant they need to stop overrating. My fault. Sorry bout that

DLeeicious
03-31-2012, 01:21 PM
Oh i meant they need to stop overrating. My fault. Sorry bout that

Fair enough, but I don't think they are necessarily overrating rebounds by selecting Dwight. He is a great defender AND rebounder if you took the rebounding completely out of the equation he would still be defensive player of the year many times.

dee279
03-31-2012, 01:32 PM
Your right and wrong, it shouldnt have such an effect on the award, but in your first post you said rebounding shouldnt matter at all which is wrong.

Yea dat was my fault. Didnt word it right

D Roses Bulls
03-31-2012, 01:35 PM
Of course they should beable to win DPOY. you are starting to make a lot of JordanBulls type of threads.

Birdmannn
03-31-2012, 01:36 PM
Of course they should beable to win DPOY. you are starting to make a lot of JordanBulls type of threads.

Maybe it comes with old age.:p

D Roses Bulls
03-31-2012, 01:38 PM
Maybe it comes with old age.:p

lol, nice jab...... wish we could really say that in this case.

dee279
03-31-2012, 01:39 PM
Fair enough, but I don't think they are necessarily overrating rebounds by selecting Dwight. He is a great defender AND rebounder if you took the rebounding completely out of the equation he would still be defensive player of the year many times.

I dont think so. If u put Dwight at bout 8 rebounds or lower, i seen Lebron or some other player getting it.

5ass
03-31-2012, 02:01 PM
I dont think so. If u put Dwight at bout 8 rebounds or lower, i seen Lebron or some other player getting it.

yes but dwight not only rebounds and blocks shots. He intimidates players from coming into the paint, and is one of the best pick n roll defenders. His impact on defense is greater than any player in the league. You saying Dwight isnt a great defender cz all he does is rebound and block shots is wrong. Dwight can shut down ur best offensive player in the front court and still be able to keep slashers away from the paint.

Raph12
03-31-2012, 02:23 PM
I've said this for years, bigs impact the game more than wings so the DPOY award technically could go to a big each and every year, and deservedly so. There should be a wing's DPOY and a big's DPOY, that would help to reward the wing players like Iggy, Deng or Lebron, without taking away from the bigs that may impact the game more defensively... It's a great idea, I'm just surprised it hasn't been brought up yet to the league or why the league hasn't considered it.

Raph12
03-31-2012, 02:34 PM
You right so kevin love should definantly be high in DPOY votes then. I am just saying it should be weighed a lil lower. Opposing PER and FG% imo should be at the top. Perimeter players would have a much better chance. Just because you a good rebounder doesnt mean u r a good defender. They have a lot of guys i could name to prove that.

Kevin Love isn't a defensive stopper nor is he an intimidator; the Magic lead the league in paint protection and allow the least FGM at the rim, on top of that, Dwight dominates the defensive glass. He covers so much floor, intimidates/alters/blocks most shots and yet recovers to grab the defensive rebound, preventing the opposing team from second chance oppurtunities.


Perimeter guys should definitely win. In fact, sometimes they have tougher assignments than big men. (sometimes) Like Dwight for example. How many elite centers does he have to guard? There are so many good Guards/Small Forwards in the game, that Wings have to do a lot more.

It's still a travesty to me that Bruce Bowen never won it. I mean seriously. He was a defensive specialist, and that's all he did. Same goes for guys now like Tony Allen, Shawn Marion, Iggy, etc... I hate that it automatically is Dwight now a days.

Guys like Bowen guard elite wings, but guys like Dwight guard the whole opposing team. Dwight turns guys like Lebron and Rose into jumpshooters, he gets guys out of the paint and forces them to take tougher shots without actually guarding them 1v1. Bowen was a good defender, but the help defense from Duncan sure went a long way, but giving it to Bowen over guys like Ben Wallace and Dikembe Mutombo wouldn't be right.

Now if there were two awards, then both would be rewarded for doing different things on the defensive end.

LAKobeBryant
04-02-2012, 11:31 AM
the DPOY award have been based on stats majority of all the years

MrfadeawayJB
04-02-2012, 11:36 AM
yeah i agree there should be two awards. Big guys have more measurable stats such as rebounds and blocks, while guards only have steals that are measured. They could still do one award, but It should be measured in the following way:

RPG
BPG
SPG
Charges taken
OPP FG %
OPP Efficiency ratings + -
Coaches poll
players poll


and some other factors

MrfadeawayJB
04-02-2012, 11:37 AM
But i think its a two horse race this year between Ibaka and Howard

JordansBulls
04-02-2012, 02:03 PM
Having 2 awards takes away the value of the award. Just like now you have Player of the Month in both the East and West conferences whereas in 2001 and before it was a player of the month for the entire league.

Which is why I dislike Baseball's method of having a Cy Young and MVP in the NL and AL it takes value away from the award and thus Bonds having 7 MVP's doesn't carry much weight in a comparison to someone like Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, etc.

KnicksorBust
04-02-2012, 02:34 PM
^^^ I completely agree.

It makes those seasons by guys like Payton-Robertson-Jordan-Moncrief look that much more impressive.

kdspurman
04-02-2012, 02:54 PM
Kevin Love isn't a defensive stopper nor is he an intimidator; the Magic lead the league in paint protection and allow the least FGM at the rim, on top of that, Dwight dominates the defensive glass. He covers so much floor, intimidates/alters/blocks most shots and yet recovers to grab the defensive rebound, preventing the opposing team from second chance oppurtunities.



Guys like Bowen guard elite wings, but guys like Dwight guard the whole opposing team. Dwight turns guys like Lebron and Rose into jumpshooters, he gets guys out of the paint and forces them to take tougher shots without actually guarding them 1v1. Bowen was a good defender, but the help defense from Duncan sure went a long way, but giving it to Bowen over guys like Ben Wallace and Dikembe Mutombo wouldn't be right.

Now if there were two awards, then both would be rewarded for doing different things on the defensive end.

Eh, Idk. I respectfully disagree. I think Wings have to work harder chasing guards/forwards around the court, fighting through screens, picking them up in the full court press, knowing their opponent enough to not bite on pump fakes, or know what that player likes to do, etc...

I'm not discounting what Dwight does, or guys like Dikembe or Ben. Those guys change a ton of shots for sure. But great wing defenders make it extremely difficult for their opposing player to even get to the rim. It takes tremendous effort and will to do everything in your power to stay in front of your man without him getting by you. And because something like that doesn't show on in the box score, it gets over looked.

DaLyingofJungl3
04-02-2012, 03:24 PM
LeBron is getting the DPOY this year
he deserve it
either him or Ibaka

Chronz
04-02-2012, 05:17 PM
Of course they should beable to win DPOY. you are starting to make a lot of JordanBulls type of threads.
Of course? Sounds like you have some people disagreeing with you

Raph12
04-02-2012, 05:19 PM
^^^ I completely agree.

It makes those seasons by guys like Payton-Robertson-Jordan-Moncrief look that much more impressive.

Ben Wallace was more deserving when, the artist formerly known as Ron Artest, MWP won; Mutombo, DRob and Hakeem were more deserving when GP won; both Hakeem and Malone were more deserving when Jordan won; and Rick Mahorn and Moses Malone were both more deserving when Moncrief won... The bigs impact the game much more defensively than the wings most seasons, when the wings win, people question the integrity of the award.


Eh, Idk. I respectfully disagree. I think Wings have to work harder chasing guards/forwards around the court, fighting through screens, picking them up in the full court press, knowing their opponent enough to not bite on pump fakes, or know what that player likes to do, etc...

I'm not discounting what Dwight does, or guys like Dikembe or Ben. Those guys change a ton of shots for sure. But great wing defenders make it extremely difficult for their opposing player to even get to the rim. It takes tremendous effort and will to do everything in your power to stay in front of your man without him getting by you. And because something like that doesn't show on in the box score, it gets over looked.

That's why there should be two awards, guys like Lebron, Wade, Rose, etc get to the rim at will and it's bigs like Dwight, Mutombo or Big Ben who alter/block those shots and keep those guys out of the paint... I don't think it's a coincidence that Lebron has had his 3 worst scoring games (only 1 good scoring game of 4) against the Magic, yet the Magic don't have even one competant perimeter defender.

That is why there should be two awards, they do completely different things defensively, one could argue which is more important but it would be difficult to argue against an elite defensive big.

Chronz
04-02-2012, 05:24 PM
^^^ I completely agree.

It makes those seasons by guys like Payton-Robertson-Jordan-Moncrief look that much more impressive.

Early on guards were dominating the list, dont know why but all that has changed.


I dont think you can cheapen any award unless you duplicate it for separate conferences ala MLB. I guess All-Defensive Teams are good enough to award perimeter players, and the DPOY should continue to be dominated by bigs. Just posing the question.

Still, Payton, Artest, Coop, and MJ were all worthy contenders but do you really think they topped Hakeem, D-Rob, Deke, Rodman etc....
Personally giving GP the DPOY can be seen as an impressive accomplishment but as much as you think it enhances their legacy I think it discredits the award. I could be wrong but I always felt Kemp was his superior defensively.

MagicBucsSox
04-02-2012, 05:28 PM
Perimeter guys should definitely win. In fact, sometimes they have tougher assignments than big men. (sometimes) Like Dwight for example. How many elite centers does he have to guard? There are so many good Guards/Small Forwards in the game, that Wings have to do a lot more.

It's still a travesty to me that Bruce Bowen never won it. I mean seriously. He was a defensive specialist, and that's all he did. Same goes for guys now like Tony Allen, Shawn Marion, Iggy, etc... I hate that it automatically is Dwight now a days.

Lmao this is as disrespectful a post can get to the game. Dwight wins not bc he rebounds BUT HE ALONE MAKES ORLANDO A TOP 5 DEFENSE HIMSELF. Tony Allen was good bc kg and perk behind him, now he's a nugget. Bowen bounced to 20 teams until Duncan was behind him. Lebron don't shut down great players he's just known for behind the back blocks. He gets lighted up vs great players.

Know the game.

Iodine
04-02-2012, 05:28 PM
I mean it would be nice to have one I guess, but I don't need an award voted by a bunch of sports writers who often just go by reputation and whatever story they like, rather than production. If I feel that player H is the best defender in the league and can form my own reasoning, I sure as hell don't want/need the *official* award team to "validate" it for me.

Ebbs
04-02-2012, 05:38 PM
I think have their own. Lets just add perimeter defender of the year and offensive player of the year.

Cal827
04-02-2012, 06:06 PM
I think have their own. Lets just add perimeter defender of the year and offensive player of the year.

This.


Perimeter defender of the year would have some interesting debates overall though to the typical basketball fan (not focused on the advanced stats). Cause they would tend to look instantly at steals as the main stat (since smaller players can get them). So guys who might not exactly be good defensively but can get steals (E.g. Ellis) might be into consideration if they can get like 2.5-3 per game.

Ebbs
04-02-2012, 06:07 PM
I would worry about that too. Hype up defenders and ESPN hype fed players getting nominated.

Kobe for example might have won the award a few times in the past which would have made me cry.

Chronz
04-02-2012, 06:24 PM
I mean it would be nice to have one I guess, but I don't need an award voted by a bunch of sports writers who often just go by reputation and whatever story they like, rather than production. If I feel that player H is the best defender in the league and can form my own reasoning, I sure as hell don't want/need the *official* award team to "validate" it for me.

Damn true

Chronz
04-02-2012, 06:25 PM
This.


Perimeter defender of the year would have some interesting debates overall though to the typical basketball fan (not focused on the advanced stats). Cause they would tend to look instantly at steals as the main stat (since smaller players can get them). So guys who might not exactly be good defensively but can get steals (E.g. Ellis) might be into consideration if they can get like 2.5-3 per game.

Yeah, coaches are prone to that flawed thinking too. Its how Larry Hughes made an All-Defensive team for gambling incessantly. Thank god AI never made it

Blitzbolt
04-02-2012, 07:51 PM
I don't think so last year Kobe made defensive 1st team over Tony Allen whoever is voting for this awards always votes for the superstars.

kdspurman
04-02-2012, 09:35 PM
Lmao this is as disrespectful a post can get to the game. Dwight wins not bc he rebounds BUT HE ALONE MAKES ORLANDO A TOP 5 DEFENSE HIMSELF. Tony Allen was good bc kg and perk behind him, now he's a nugget. Bowen bounced to 20 teams until Duncan was behind him. Lebron don't shut down great players he's just known for behind the back blocks. He gets lighted up vs great players.

Know the game.

First, where did I say only cause of Dwights rebounds? :facepalm:
Second, Tony Allen was and still is a really Good defender in Memphis :facepalm:
Third, Bowen got put in a system where he was needed for 2 things. Perimeter defense, and knocking down open 3's. He was a big part of the Spurs championships and their suffocating defense.

I don't disagree with Lebron, he doesn't guard opposing teams best players all game like Allen/Bruce/Marion/Iggy etc... did/do.

I am not discounting what Dwight does and how he changes shots, but like I said before, perimeter guys have to do just as much if not more on a nightly basis depending on the matchup. From your post, it sounds like you need to know the game.

DenButsu
04-02-2012, 11:28 PM
Yeah I'd be down with two awards.

mRc08
04-03-2012, 01:21 AM
I agree that the perimeter players are getting shafted, however, i don't think they should split the award. Like JB said, it kinda weakens the award in general. Plus you can't deny that dwight deserved his DPOY. He brings so much to the table defensively. Teams have to gameplan around this guy's offense and DEFENSE. I don't think lebron, iggy, deng, etc, effect the other teams game plan nearly as much as guys like howard and ibaka.

The award should just stay the way it is, and when perimeter players win it, it will go down in history that they had amazing years. Its kinda like the MVP in the NFL, its typically dominated by QBs. I know its hard to cross reference sports, but you wouldn't want an MVP for every position. thats what allstar games are for, all defensive teams, etc.

In the end, if we are going to give a player the title of "defensive player of the year", then we have to give it to the best defender. Recently it has been dwight. shot blocks, rebounds, effecting shots, effecting game plans, effecting player psychy. He brings all these things to the table. The award should go to the player who makes the biggest impact defensively for their team. And no one can deny that dwight's presence pretty much effects everyone on the court.

Raph12
04-03-2012, 02:27 AM
Yeah, coaches are prone to that flawed thinking too. Its how Larry Hughes made an All-Defensive team for gambling incessantly. Thank god AI never made it

AI won the Big East DPOY for both of his college seasons... #just saying.

JasonJohnHorn
04-03-2012, 01:00 PM
I made a post about this toward the end of last season. There should be one for perimeter players and one for post players. It is two completely different styles of defence. Two complete different skill sets. Two completely different games.

Lets face it, if Dwight steps up on a pick-and-roll and ends up trading defensive jobs with his PG, he's going to get his ankles broken. He's a great defender in the post, but he wouldnt be able to do what guys like Iggy or LBJ do. Likewise, as great a defender as Iggy is, or as somebody like Gary Payton was, or Darrell Walker (if any of you can remember him, GREAT defender), none of them are ever going to have the kind of impact on a game that a defender like Dwight Howard would have, or even a prime Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett (Garnett and Duncan are both better one-on-one defenders than Dwight in my book, cause both can step out and guard versitile forwards on the perimeter, but neither provides the type of interior help that Dwight provides when he picks up PGs that are coming up the middle).

So YES!! They need two awards. One for the post, and one for the perimeter.

JasonJohnHorn
04-03-2012, 01:07 PM
The award should just stay the way it is, and when perimeter players win it, it will go down in history that they had amazing years. Its kinda like the MVP in the NFL, its typically dominated by QBs. I know its hard to cross reference sports, but you wouldn't want an MVP for every position. thats what allstar games are for, all defensive teams, etc.

Football is just one sport though, if you look at the NHL and MLB, both have awards for positions like goalie and pitcher, as well as MVP awards. In the NHL, the goalie position is essentially like a post defender position, regardless of the fact that you haveperimeter defenders, you still have to step up and block the guy coming in. But the NHL also has a defensive player of the year award that is not typically handed out to goalies. So they split theirs up as well. And as for the NFL, I really think they need an award for QB specifially and it wouldnt hurt to have one for the running back and wide reciever either. A QB is only as good as his wide reciever, and only gets the pass on depending on how good a job his offensive line is doing. Lets face it, in the NFL the QB gets all the glory and there is not nearl enough recognition for the other players on the field. Baseball and Hockey do a better job of recognizing talent through out their respective leagues and the NBA would do well to follow suit.

Raph12
04-03-2012, 05:50 PM
I made a post about this toward the end of last season. There should be one for perimeter players and one for post players. It is two completely different styles of defence. Two complete different skill sets. Two completely different games.

Lets face it, if Dwight steps up on a pick-and-roll and ends up trading defensive jobs with his PG, he's going to get his ankles broken. He's a great defender in the post, but he wouldnt be able to do what guys like Iggy or LBJ do. Likewise, as great a defender as Iggy is, or as somebody like Gary Payton was, or Darrell Walker (if any of you can remember him, GREAT defender), none of them are ever going to have the kind of impact on a game that a defender like Dwight Howard would have, or even a prime Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett (Garnett and Duncan are both better one-on-one defenders than Dwight in my book, cause both can step out and guard versitile forwards on the perimeter, but neither provides the type of interior help that Dwight provides when he picks up PGs that are coming up the middle).

So YES!! They need two awards. One for the post, and one for the perimeter.

Although I agree with your premise, I disagree with your example, Dwight often switches on pnr plays and does it effectively until his teammate can recover. Could he guard perimeter scorers effectively for 48mins, god no, but he can do it for a couple of seconds on several possessions throughout the game... That is another reason why his impact is unmatchable by guys like Bynum, who also get 2bpg and rebound well. He can guard smaller players for much longer, other centers like Bynum just give them the shot everytime hoping they don't blow by him. The only other center who can guard smaller players like Dwight, is Noah and he can't play 1v1 defense or recover to his man/to get the rebound like Dwight can.

There is not a single defensive force like Dwight in today's league, he's sort of like the modern day Bill Russell in that sense.

TheNumber37
04-03-2012, 06:32 PM
just one award, but we need to consider matchups and not just some sort of shot blocking rebounding machine. no way anyone can make a case for Dwight Howard being the absolute best defender in the NBA. he can only really guard 1 position in a limited amount of ways. he doesn't captain a defensive scheme like kg or Chandler. nor is he a multi position defender like iggy, shump, Ben Wallace.

RaiderLakersA's
04-03-2012, 06:50 PM
I think their should be an MVP award for each of the 5 positions. It's not enough to name some of these guys to the 1st Team or All Star squad rosters. After you've figured out the 5 members of that MV Team, then you can figure out who gets the title of "NBA Primus Inter Pares" each year from amongst that group.

6. Most Valuable PG
5. Most Valuable SG
4. Most Valuable SF
3. Most Valuable PF
2. Most Valuable C

1. Primus Inter Pares

YoungOne
04-03-2012, 07:00 PM
dwight is overrated because of his athleticism. Would like to have a perimeter player win it. 2010 where we went to the finals TA was huge!

Raph12
04-03-2012, 07:10 PM
dwight is overrated because of his athleticism. Would like to have a perimeter player win it. 2010 where we went to the finals TA was huge!

I don't see JaVale McGee or DeAndre Jordan winning any DPOY awards, or even finishing top 5... Amateurs. :rolleyes:

5ass
04-03-2012, 07:59 PM
just one award, but we need to consider matchups and not just some sort of shot blocking rebounding machine. no way anyone can make a case for Dwight Howard being the absolute best defender in the NBA. he can only really guard 1 position in a limited amount of ways. he doesn't captain a defensive scheme like kg or Chandler. nor is he a multi position defender like iggy, shump, Ben Wallace.


dwight is overrated because of his athleticism. Would like to have a perimeter player win it. 2010 where we went to the finals TA was huge!

what are u guys smoking?

From Andre Iguadala himself: "It's like he can guard two guys at once. He can guard his guy and the guy coming off the pick-and-roll, which is almost impossible to do... If he gets any more athletic or jumps any higher, they're going to have to change the rules."

you guys really dont know what you're talk. Dwights one of the best defensive Cs of all time. He is not like Chandler, and certainly not deandre jordan or mcgee. Dwight is on a whole other level. Please explain to me how the magic have been an elite defensive team all those years with dwight yet hes overrated?

Dwight impacts the game defensively better than any player in the league.

Raph12
04-04-2012, 01:27 AM
So the Magic were #1 in the league in paint protection and #8 in eFG%; in the two games without Dwight, the Magic let the Nuggets shoot 56% from the floor with 44pts in the paint and let the Pistons shoot 57% from the floor with 56pts in the paint... People just don't understand the impact Dwight Howard has defensively.