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B'sCeltsPatsSox
03-29-2012, 09:29 PM
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#indians, #angels on verge of abreu trade

Jeffy25
03-29-2012, 09:31 PM
He deserves to get to play somewhere.

Young2Kinsler
03-29-2012, 09:37 PM
Wonder if this makes him fantasy worthy....

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 09:49 PM
Bobby <3

Iodine
03-29-2012, 09:51 PM
Good for him, BUT YES MIKE TROUT ONE LESS REASON TO BLOCK HIM

Jeffy25
03-29-2012, 09:52 PM
Since 1998 (Abreu's first year full time season) there have been 306 baseball players with at least 3000 plate appearances

Abreu is tied for 28th with a .385 wOBA with Ryan Howard and Hanley Ramirez and he is tied for 30th with Frank Thomas with a 133 wRC+ (right next to Hanley and Howard again).

But Abreu has had this production in 5000 more plate appearances than each Howard and Hanley.

His 61.9 fWAR is 8th in that time frame between Andruw Jones and Carlos Beltran.

I don't know that he is a hall of famer, but he has been a fantastic ball player, and largely under rated.

I wouldn't say Abreu has ever been given the star love that Howard and Hanley, or Jones or Beltran ever have. And this is a guy who is pushing 300 homers and 400 stolen bases


We are talking about a top 10% hitter over his career.

Iodine
03-29-2012, 09:58 PM
I have always loved Bobby, he was one of the more undervalued players of the recent past, and got shat on way to much because he "lacked grit"

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 10:02 PM
Bobby Abreu has the same career OPS with the Phillies that Ryan Howard has. He was such a good player. I dont get why people never liked him

MotownWebGuy
03-29-2012, 10:08 PM
Bobby is no longer in the Top 33% of hitters. Also has become a liability in the field. Indians management have their own tribal name..... Desperados.

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 10:10 PM
I have always loved Bobby, he was one of the more undervalued players of the recent past, and got shat on way to much because he "lacked grit"

Ah yeah thats why. Someone in the Phillies forum actually blamed him directly for the Phillies not making the playoffs for so long

Jeffy25
03-29-2012, 10:12 PM
Not saying he is still a great player, but he certainly was.

He is certainly on his decline, but is still a useful player

Jeffy25
03-29-2012, 10:16 PM
Ah yeah thats why. Someone in the Phillies forum actually blamed him directly for the Phillies not making the playoffs for so long

from 98 to 2005 he was easily the Phillies best player, he had 20% of the entire teams WAR by himself.

He was certainly not the reason for their failings. Far from it.

from 98-2005

Abreu hit .303/.415/.519 with a .403 wOBA and a 142 wRC+ with plus plus fielding and plus base running, 47.6 fWAR.

I would love to hear what Abreu did that made him not a great player in Philly, he was amazing there.

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 10:17 PM
from 98 to 2005 he was easily the Phillies best player, he had 20% of the entire teams WAR by himself.

He was certainly not the reason for their failings. Far from it.

from 98-2005

Abreu hit .303/.415/.519 with a .403 wOBA and a 142 wRC+ with plus plus fielding and plus base running, 47.6 fWAR.

I would love to hear what Abreu did that made him not a great player in Philly, he was amazing there.

It was because he didnt play with an edge and didnt hustle. Had NOTHING to do with Lieber and Myers being our best pitchers and a makeshift bullpen. Nothing at all.

Like I said, his OPS with the Phillies in 9 seasons is identical to Ryan Howards in 8 years

mark1125
03-29-2012, 10:23 PM
Choo, Hafner, Brantley, Kipnis, Chisenhall, Hannahan, Kotchman, and maybe Sizemore. That is a lot of lefty bats and Abreu is another. Not sure I like it for the Indians, but depending on what it costs, why not?

More-Than-Most
03-29-2012, 10:23 PM
Man if I am not mistaken our crowd use to boo him so much as well and our media/announcers would constantly throw him under the bus.

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 10:24 PM
Man if I am not mistaken our crowd use to boo him so much as well and our media/announcers would constantly throw him under the bus.

How DARE him for constantly hitting for a high OPS! SHAME ON YOU BOBBY!

More-Than-Most
03-29-2012, 10:27 PM
How DARE him for constantly hitting for a high OPS! SHAME ON YOU BOBBY!

I bet it was because he was consistent... Clearly sucking for half of the year and turning it on in September is far more important than having an all around great consistent year.

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 10:28 PM
I bet it was because he was consistent... Clearly sucking for half of the year and turning it on in September is far more important than having an all around great consistent year.

For fun if you didnt see it earlier: Bobby Abreu has the same OPS for the Phillies as Ryan Howard

More-Than-Most
03-29-2012, 10:30 PM
Also what was His contract like during his time as a phillie?

More-Than-Most
03-29-2012, 10:31 PM
For fun if you didnt see it earlier: Bobby Abreu has the same OPS for the Phillies as Ryan Howard

but does he have the RBI :pity:

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 10:34 PM
Also what was His contract like during his time as a phillie?
He made $70mil in his time as a Philly

but does he have the RBI :pity:

Only 50 less in his career in Philly than you know who. And thats hitting most of his career in the 3 hole

RTL
03-29-2012, 10:43 PM
Abreu has been a good player his whole career and is still someone who will post a good OBP and steal some bags. He will be a good influence on the younger hitters much like he was on Figgins and Morales. I can definitely see him being a hitting coach after he retires.

1908_Cubs
03-29-2012, 10:44 PM
Damn. That was supposed to be where Byrd was going to go....

1903
03-29-2012, 11:08 PM
9th best OBP in MLB from 98-05 for players with at least 500 games played. 5th best fWAR in that span only behind Bonds, A-Rod, A. Jones, Todd Helton.

jd25213
03-29-2012, 11:28 PM
Bobby Abreu has the same career OPS with the Phillies that Ryan Howard has. He was such a good player. I dont get why people never liked him
I always liked him in New York. The only problem I had with him was that he was afraid of the wall in right. Not major, but still.

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 11:31 PM
He was afraid of the wall everywhere. I guess it took his lunch money when he was a kid

SmartestGuyHere
03-29-2012, 11:33 PM
I bet it was because he was consistent... Clearly sucking for half of the year and turning it on in September is far more important than having an all around great consistent year.

Its More-Than-Most, your English is The-Worst.

sexicano31
03-29-2012, 11:40 PM
Good content!

Mudvayne91
03-29-2012, 11:45 PM
Does anyone know what the potential trade is?

More-Than-Most
03-29-2012, 11:46 PM
Its More-Than-Most, your English is The-Worst.

Holy crap in my 4 years here you are the very first person to say this to me :clap:

RTL
03-30-2012, 12:08 AM
I noticed it, just didn't give a **** to say anything:)

es0terik
03-30-2012, 12:30 AM
Hell I wouldn't mind taking Abreu on the Jays if his price tag dropped.

oak2455
03-30-2012, 12:38 AM
The Yanks should get him, because Raul blows dead dogs

es0terik
03-30-2012, 12:40 AM
LOL Problem is, Raul was a free agent signing, Abreu's gonna cost at least something. Plus, the Yanks are trying to cut payroll, Abreu's got a pretty notable price tag.

More-Than-Most
03-30-2012, 12:57 AM
I noticed it, just didn't give a **** to say anything:)

:laugh2:

I was being sarcastic...Hell the mets forum alone use to say it everytime I got into an arugment with some of their members... I meant to put this face :rolleyes: and not this one :clap:

That being said of course you noticed... You :love: me

oak2455
03-30-2012, 08:33 AM
LOL Problem is, Raul was a free agent signing, Abreu's gonna cost at least something. Plus, the Yanks are trying to cut payroll, Abreu's got a pretty notable price tag.

Supposedly the Angels are paying most of his salary

Pinstripe pride
03-30-2012, 09:44 AM
interesting mvoe by the indians. abreu isnt a greta player anymore, but he has value. not sure oif its with the indiains though