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YankeesR#2
03-28-2012, 03:34 PM
Is California "The Land of 1000 Lakes"?

Are there any trolleys in Los Angeles?

Is Utah known for its Jazz?

Did Johnny Unitas play in Indiana?

A francise is often named for the characteristics of the city or state where it resides. Then they move and take that name with them and we are stuck with the idea of lakes in California or Jazz in Utah.

Should teams be allowed to take their team names with them when they move to a new city or should they leave their names and history behind.

Jim Brown after all didn't play for the Baltimore Ravens and I am sure there are people alive in Minneapolis that swore they won NBA championships.

Birdmannn
03-28-2012, 03:36 PM
Name should be owned by the people that pay hundreds of millions for the team.

Cfrey
03-28-2012, 03:36 PM
Yeah I think it's funny that laker douche bags don't know where they come from!!!

bow down to minnesota *****es

come out on a lake with us and see what your ****ing team name is all about

haggis
03-28-2012, 03:39 PM
Yeah I think it's funny that laker douche bags don't know where they come from!!!

bow down to minnesota *****es

come out on a lake with us and see what your ****ing team name is all about

Lake Tahoe >>>> Any lake in Minnesota

Cfrey
03-28-2012, 03:43 PM
Lake Tahoe >>>> Any lake in Minnesota

ok fine

NYKnickFanatic
03-28-2012, 03:44 PM
New Orleans Jazz would have been sweet.

GOON MUSIC
03-28-2012, 03:46 PM
Name should be owned by the people that pay hundreds of millions for the team.
Word ....

PhillyFaninLA
03-28-2012, 03:53 PM
The franchises should own the names. If you are in any other industry aside from sports or entertainment this is not a question that would ever be asked. The history and moments belong to the fans everything else belongs to the franchise.

Cali4rnia
03-28-2012, 03:58 PM
Yeah I think it's funny that laker douche bags don't know where they come from!!!

bow down to minnesota *****es

come out on a lake with us and see what your ****ing team name is all about
Abbotts Lagoon Marin 217942
Almaden Reservoir Santa Clara 218156
Lake Almanor Plumas 256197
Lake Aloha El Dorado 256198
Lake Alpine Alpine 218174
Alpine Lake Marin 218169
Lake Amador Amador 1664187
Anderson Reservoir Santa Clara 218262
Angora Lakes El Dorado 256259
Antelope Lake Plumas 256274
Antonelli Pond Santa Cruz 1872809
Lake Anza Contra Costa 218314
Lake ********* Reservoir San Bernardino 269582
Baker Lake Shasta 256446
Lake Balboa Los Angeles
Baldwin Hills Reservoir Los Angeles
Baldwin Lake San Bernardino 269648
Balsam Forebay Fresno
Bass Lake Madera 266417
Bass Lake Marin 233463
Beardsley Lake Tuolumne 254593
Belvedere Lagoon Marin 233490
Lake Berryessa Napa 255067
Bethany Reservoir Alameda 219098
Bicycle Lake San Bernardino 239276
Big Bear Lake San Bernardino 269807
Big Tujunga Reservoir Los Angeles 255960
Black Butte Lake Glenn and Tehama 254624
Boca Reservoir Nevada 219570
Bon Tempe Lake Marin 219620
Bouquet Reservoir Los Angeles 269991
Brea Reservoir Orange 255959
Brickyard Cove Pond Contra Costa
Briones Reservoir Contra Costa 219847
Bristol Lake San Bernardino 239688
Lake Britton Shasta 257466
Broadwell Lake San Bernardino 239701
Brush Creek Reservoir El Dorado 274935
Bucks Lake Plumas 266504
Buena Vista Lake Kern 1683006
Butte Lake Lassen 257771
Lake Cachuma Santa Barbara 270134
Calaveras Reservoir Santa Clara and Alameda 220379
Calero Reservoir Santa Clara 220391
Camanche Reservoir San Joaquin 254692
Camp Far West Reservoir Placer and Yuba 220455
Camp Lake Tuolumne 1682539
Canyon Lake Riverside 273171
Caples Lake Alpine 257959
Carbon Canyon Reservoir Orange
Lake Casitas Ventura 240317
Castaic Lake Los Angeles 1802841
Castle Lake Siskiyou 220688
Cathedral Lakes Mariposa 254722
Cedar Lake San Bernardino 270369
Lake Chabot Alameda 220870
Charlotte Lake Fresno 258222
Cherry Lake Tuolumne 255077
Chesbro Reservoir Santa Clara 220969
Clear Lake Lake 258441
Clear Lake Reservoir Modoc 221199
Clifton Court Forebay Contra Costa 253867
Cogswell Reservoir Los Angeles 240748
Collins Lake Yuba 1664159
Convict Lake Mono 258663
Corona Lake Riverside
Courtright Reservoir Fresno 258786
Coyote Lake San Bernardino 241049
Coyote Lake Santa Clara 221754
Crowley Lake Mono 233743
Crystal Springs Reservoir San Mateo 234208 and 236879
Cuddeback Lake San Bernardino 241156
Lake Cunningham Santa Clara
Danby Lake San Bernardino 241249
Deep Lake Siskiyou 259194
Lake Del Valle Alameda 254866
Diamond Valley Lake Riverside 2358949
Diaz Lake Inyo 259354
Dixon Lake San Diego 1868662
Dodge Reservoir Lassen 222451
Don Pedro Reservoir Tuolumne 253880
Donnell Lake Tuolumne 259473
Donner Lake Nevada 1654915
Eagle Lake El Dorado 259661
Eagle Lake Lassen 222812
Eagle Lake Tulare 270966
Eastman Lake Madera and Mariposa 1664768
Eaton Wash Reservoir Los Angeles
Echo Lake El Dorado 263013 and 268607
Ediza Lake Madera 222988
El Capitan Reservoir San Diego 271028
El Mirage Lake San Bernardino 241896
Lake El Toyonal Contra Costa
Lake Eleanor Tuolumne 259830
Lake Elizabeth Alameda 1670278
Elizabeth Lake Los Angeles 241955
Ellis Lake Yuba 223159
Lake Elsinore Riverside 271058
Emerald Lake Shasta 259892
Emerald Lake Trinity 259893
Emerson Lake San Bernardino 242000
Encino Reservoir Los Angeles 242035
Englebright Lake Nevada and Yuba 233986
Fallen Leaf Lake El Dorado 260039
Flora Lake Tuolumne 253468
Florence Lake Fresno 266715
Folsom Lake Placer, El Dorado, and Sacramento 223648
Fountaingrove Lake Sonoma 1799345
Francis Lake El Dorado 260334
French Meadows Reservoir Placer 260398
Frenchman Lake Plumas 260408
Gilmore Lake El Dorado 260569
Goldstone Lake San Bernardino 242834
Goose Lake Modoc 224325
Lake Gregory San Bernardino 243030
Guadalupe Reservoir Santa Clara 233968
Hansen Flood-Control Reservoir Los Angeles 243179
Harper Lake San Bernardino 243239
Lake Havasu San Bernardino 243280
Lake Helen Shasta 261236
Hell Hole Reservoir Placer 261246
Lake Hemet Riverside 271544
Lake Hennessey Napa 234004
Lake Henshaw San Diego 271554
Hensley Lake Madera 1664770
Hernandez Reservoir San Benito 243384
Hesperia Lake San Bernadino
Hetch Hetchy Reservoir Tuolumne 261289
Hilltop Lake Contra Costa
Lake Hodges San Diego 255549
Hollywood Reservoir Los Angeles 243553
Honey Lake Lassen 266813
Horseshoe Lake Shasta 261530
Hughes Lake Los Angeles 243724
Hume Lake Fresno 261620
Huntington Lake Fresno 266841
Lake Ilsanjo Sonoma 1799358
Imperial Reservoir Imperial 243787
Indian Valley Reservoir Lake 274690
Iron Canyon Reservoir Shasta 253142
Lake Irvine Orange 1663533
Lake Isabella Kern 271737
Ivanhoe Reservoir Los Angeles 243938
Ivanpah Lake San Bernardino
Jackson Meadows Reservoir Nevada
Jenks Lake San Bernardino
Lake Jennings San Diego
Jewel Lake Contra Costa
June Lake Mono
Juniper Lake Lassen and Plumas
Lake Kaweah Tulare
Kent Lake Marin
Kesterson Reservoir Merced
Koehn Lake Kern
Lafayette Reservoir Contra Costa
Laguna Honda Reservoir San Francisco
Laguna Lake Marin and Sonoma
Laguna Lakes Orange
Lake Lagunita Santa Clara
Lake Lagunitas Marin
Lee Lake Riverside 272013
Lewiston Lake Trinity
Lexington Reservoir Santa Clara
Little Grass Valley Reservoir Plumas
Lloyd Lake San Francisco 227443
Loch Leven Inyo
Loch Lomond Santa Cruz
Lake of the Lone Indian Fresno
Loon Lake El Dorado
Lopez Lake San Luis Obispo
Los Vaqueros Reservoir Contra Costa
Lost Lake El Dorado
Lost Lake Riverside
Lake Loveland Riverside
Lower Bear Reservoir Amador
Lower Hell Hole Reservoir Placer
Lower Klamath Lake Siskiyou
Lower Otay Reservoir San Diego
Lucerne Lake San Bernardino
Mammoth Pool Reservoir Fresno and Madera
Lake Manix San Bernardino
Manzanita Lake Shasta
Martis Creek Lake Nevada
Martha Lake Fresno
Mary Lake Shasta
Lake Mathews Riverside
May Lake Mariposa
Lake McCloud Shasta
Lake McClure Mariposa
McKay's Point Reservoir Calaveras
Meiss Lake Siskiyou
Lake Mendocino Mendocino
Lake Merced San Francisco
Lake Merritt Alameda
Miller/Knox Lagoon Contra Costa
Millerton Lake Fresno and Madera
Mills Lake Inyo
Minaret Lake Madera
Lake Ming Kern
Miramar Reservoir San Diego
Mirror Lake Mariposa
Lake Mission Viejo Orange
Lake Mojave San Bernardino
Mono Lake Mono
Morris Reservoir Los Angeles
Mud Lake various counties
Munz Lakes Los Angeles
Murphy Lake Plumas
Murphy Lake Sutter
Lake Murray San Diego
Mystic Lake Riverside
Lake Nacimiento San Luis Obispo
Naraghi Lake Stanislaus
Lake Natoma Sacramento
Nelson Lake San Bernardino
New Bullards Bar Reservoir Yuba
New Hogan Lake Calaveras
New Lake San Bernardino
New Melones Lake Calaveras and Tuolumne
New Spicer Meadow Reservoir Tuolumne
Nicasio Reservoir Marin
Olivenhain Reservoir San Diego
O'Neill Forebay Merced
Lake Oroville Butte
Ostrander Lake Mariposa
Owens Lake Inyo
Pacoima Reservoir Los Angeles
Lake Palmdale Los Angeles
Pardee Reservoir Amador and Calaveras
Lake Perris Riverside
Petaluma Reservoir Sonoma
Lake Pillsbury Lake
Pine Flat Lake Fresno
Pinecrest Lake Tuolumne
Lake Piru Ventura
Pit 7 Reservoir Shasta
Point Potrero Pond Contra Costa
Lake Poway San Diego
Prado Reservoir Riverside and San Bernardino
Puddingstone Reservoir Los Angeles
Pyramid Lake Los Angeles
Pyramid Lake El Dorado
Quail Lake Los Angeles
Rae Lakes Fresno
Lake Ralphine Sonoma
Rancho Seco Lake Sacramento
Red Pass Lake San Bernardino
Roberts Lake Sonoma
Rodeo Lagoon Marin
Rogers Dry Lake Kern
Rosamond Lake Kern and Los Angeles
Ruth Reservoir Trinity
Lake Sabrina Inyo
Salt Spring Valley Reservoir Calaveras
Salt Springs Reservoir Amador and Calaveras
Salton Sea Imperial and Riverside
San Andreas Lake San Mateo
Lake San Antonio Monterey
San Antonio Reservoir Alameda
San Antonio Reservoir San Bernardino
San Gabriel Reservoir Los Angeles
San Joaquin Reservoir Orange
San Luis Reservoir Merced
San Pablo Reservoir Contra Costa
San Vicente Reservoir San Diego
Santa Anita Reservoir Los Angeles
Santa Fe Reservoir Los Angeles
Santa Margarita Lake San Luis Obispo
Santa Rosa Creek Reservoir Sonoma
Sapphire Lake Trinity
Scotts Flat Reservoir Nevada
Searles Lake San Bernardino
Sepulveda Reservoir Los Angeles
Seven Oaks Reservoir San Bernardino
Lake Shasta Shasta
Lake Shastina Siskiyou
Shaver Lake Fresno
Lake Sherwood Ventura
Silver Lake Amador
Silver Lake Reservoir Los Angeles
Silver Lake San Bernardino
Silverwood Lake San Bernardino
Lake Siskiyou Siskiyou
Lake Skinner Riverside
Slab Creek Reservoir El Dorado
Sly Creek Reservoir Butte
Snag Lake Lassen
Soda Lake San Bernardino
Soda Lake San Luis Obispo
Lake Sonoma Sonoma
Spaulding Lake Nevada
Spring Creek Reservoir Shasta
Square Lake Tehama
Squaw Lake Fresno
Stampede Lake Sierra
Stevens Creek Reservoir Santa Clara
Lake Success Tulare
Sulphur Creek Reservoir Orange
Summit Lake Shasta
Sunset Reservoir San Francisco
Superior Lake San Bernardino
Lake Suttonfield Sonoma
Lake Tahoe El Dorado and Placer
Lake Temescal Alameda
Tenaya Lake Mariposa
Thomas A. Edison Lake Fresno
Thousand Island Lake Madera
Tioga Lake Mono
Timber Lake Lake
Tolay Lake Sonoma
Toluca Lake Los Angeles
Topaz Lake Mono
Trinity Lake Trinity
Lake Tuendae San Bernardino
Tulare Lake Kings
Tule Lake Siskiyou and Modoc
Tulloch Reservoir Calaveras
Twain Harte Lake Tuolumne
Twitchell Reservoir San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara
Union Valley Reservoir El Dorado
Uvas Reservoir Santa Clara
Vail Lake Riverside
Lake Van Arsdale Mendocino
Vasona Reservoir Santa Clara
Lake Vernon Tuolumne
Lake Virginia Fresno
Virginia Lakes Mono
Waca Lake El Dorado
Whale Rock Reservoir San Luis Obispo
Whiskeytown Lake Shasta
Whitfield Reservoir Alameda
Whittier Narrows Reservoir Los Angeles
Lake Wishon Fresno
Lake of the Woods El Dorado
Lake Wolford San Diego
Wrights Lake El Dorado
Lake Yosemite Merced

Hope those are enough for you. :) these lakes can fill up the whole state of Minnesota.

Cfrey
03-28-2012, 04:01 PM
reservoirs??

sorry no

Cali4rnia
03-28-2012, 04:03 PM
reservoirs??

sorry no

are you not happy that they left minneapolis?

eugene
03-28-2012, 04:06 PM
names should belong to the cities

Hellcrooner
03-28-2012, 04:10 PM
as nba is presently constructed? franchises.

if they tried to implement a system with relegations and promotions like leagues in the rest of the world do? Citys.

Cfrey
03-28-2012, 04:11 PM
are you not happy that they left minneapolis?

im 18 and a timberwolves fan haha i couldn't care less really lol i was ****ing around but seriously tho a reservoir isnt a lake

and lake life is so much different in minnesota im sure

IndyRealist
03-28-2012, 04:13 PM
This is a silly argument. It's a private business with a brand name. If cities want to hold onto the names then they need to negotiate that before they let the team move in.

NoahH
03-28-2012, 04:20 PM
Also there arent any Grizzly bears indigenous to Memphis.

Rad_Racing
03-28-2012, 04:32 PM
What kind of question is are there trolleys in Los Angeles? Not really, in fact most American cities that still run trolleys/street cars do it more for nostalgia as light rail and subways are much more efficient.

When the Dodgers moved to L.A., they entered during the rapid rise in car culture. However, they entered a market that had the most-expansive mass rail transit systems in the world with the Pacific Electric Railway in the first half of the 20th century.

Is this the reason they kept the name "Dodgers?" I have no clue. Los Angeles does currently have several miles of light rail throughout the city and county that causes situations where pedestrians and vehicles need to "dodge" the oncoming trains (mostly because of their own dumb behavior). Last time I was in Brooklyn I don't remember seeing that, therefore if the Dodgers still played in Brooklyn it would be an obsolete name.

It simply comes down to the owners.

ThunderousDemon
03-28-2012, 04:45 PM
im 18 and a timberwolves fan haha i couldn't care less really lol i was ****ing around but seriously tho a reservoir isnt a lake

and lake life is so much different in minnesota im sure

What do you want exactly, you just sound so bitter and pathetic.

goldenstater
03-28-2012, 04:59 PM
im 18 and a timberwolves fan haha i couldn't care less really lol i was ****ing around but seriously tho a reservoir isnt a lake

and lake life is so much different in minnesota im sure

whats different about lake life in Minnesota? just curious.

AntiG
03-28-2012, 05:06 PM
Lake Tahoe >>>> Any lake in Minnesota

except Tahoe isn't anywhere near LA

jrm2054
03-28-2012, 05:11 PM
the franchise should keep the name

AntiG
03-28-2012, 05:18 PM
bottom line is that the name is owned by the franchise and the franchise can negotiate any way they please.

Its just f'n stupid sometimes, so the owners should consider rebranding when they move when they have specifically meaningful local nicknames like the Lakers (which is actually a specific term for Minnesotans due to the state being nicknamed "The Land of A Thousand Lakes" so you can name all of the bodies of water in southern California you want, and its still stupid) or Jazz.

Could you imagine the Green Bay Packers (Indian Packing Company), New York Jets (named after the Jets that flew over Shea to and from JFK Airport), or San Francisco 49ers (SF goldrush) moving to another place and keeping their names? I know you can obviously get away with it, but like the Lakers and Jazz, those names specifically refer to their hometowns. That's why the Dallas Texans changed their name to the Kansas City Chiefs when they moved. It would have been incredibly bizarre to be named the Kansas City Texans like the Lakers did.

vdv36
03-28-2012, 05:37 PM
great thread... It like for example the Charlotte Hornets "Hornets". The name was derived from the city's fierce resistance to British occupation during the Revolutionary War,[1] which prompted the British commander to refer to it as "a veritable nest of hornets." The team received a lot of attention when they chose teal and purple as their primary colors, setting off a fashion craze in sports in the 1990s

But now the Hornets are in New Orleans and Charlotte is stuck with the Bobcats...go figure....

IndyRealist
03-28-2012, 06:48 PM
Here's a better question. Why don't cities OWN teams? No threats of relocation, no change of ownershio every decade, and they can keep all the profits. Major sports leagues make it paint-by-numbers to run a team anyway.

AntiG
03-28-2012, 07:07 PM
Here's a better question. Why don't cities OWN teams? No threats of relocation, no change of ownershio every decade, and they can keep all the profits. Major sports leagues make it paint-by-numbers to run a team anyway.

Because the teams are owned by private individuals. Cities cannot legally unilaterally take over a team because that would not only be unconsitutional, but also abuse of power.

The ONLY publicly-owned team in sports are the Packers. This means that the every resident of the city has an additional city tax (on top of the state and federal taxes) assessed annually to pay for all things team-related, which costs are in the hundreds of millions. Would you be willing to get taxed say, $2000 a year just to have the city own the team instead of a private billionaire, and still be forced to pay for game tickets, which might actually end up having prices RAISED due to the employees now all being considered "city employees" and having the overt employee benefits that come with it, all paid out of YOUR pocket? Yeah, thought not.

That's not going to happen anywhere else, because most teams in sports are barely profitable, and the ones that are actually profitable, the owners obviously won't turn around and sell it to a city, and even if there was a willing seller, the city council needs to vote to buy out a team so they can tax their residents (if they can even get their constituents to agree to do so) as well as pass it with state and federal regulations.

iliketurtles24
03-28-2012, 07:12 PM
minnesota has the best quality lakes in the nation... haha, lakes are lakes

ATLPRIMETIME21
03-28-2012, 07:16 PM
Yea I agree if the owner moves the team that has a name that specifically refers to the city it was in previously than they should consider changing it. I seriously doubt we will ever see the Lakers change their name but maybe someone can still convince the Utah Jazz owner to name them the Utah Mormons or something like that

asandhu23
03-28-2012, 07:17 PM
reservoirs??

sorry no

california reservoirs are pretty much lakes. atleast Crystal Springs reservoir near my house is...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Springs_Reservoir


California has more than enough lakes. Dry Lakes in Death Valley count as well.

ATLPRIMETIME21
03-28-2012, 07:19 PM
When the ******* has anyone ever seen a Hawk in Atlanta

SteveNash
03-28-2012, 07:21 PM
Because the teams are owned by private individuals. Cities cannot legally unilaterally take over a team because that would not only be unconsitutional, but also abuse of power.

The ONLY publicly-owned team in sports are the Packers. This means that the every resident of the city has an additional city tax (on top of the state and federal taxes) assessed annually to pay for all things team-related, which costs are in the hundreds of millions. Would you be willing to get taxed say, $2000 a year just to have the city own the team instead of a private billionaire, and still be forced to pay for game tickets, which might actually end up having prices RAISED due to the employees now all being considered "city employees" and having the overt employee benefits that come with it, all paid out of YOUR pocket? Yeah, thought not.

That's not going to happen anywhere else, because most teams in sports are barely profitable, and the ones that are actually profitable, the owners obviously won't turn around and sell it to a city, and even if there was a willing seller, the city council needs to vote to buy out a team so they can tax their residents (if they can even get their constituents to agree to do so) as well as pass it with state and federal regulations.

Cities can waste taxpayers money paying on arenas, they should get a bigger piece/all of the pie.

As for the topic, names that generally don't fit should never be used. Utah Jazz is awful while San Diego to Houston or Fort Wayne to Detroit is fine.

AntiG
03-28-2012, 09:22 PM
Cities can waste taxpayers money paying on arenas, they should get a bigger piece/all of the pie.

Well the taxpayers' money that goes into funding arenas comes back to the city due to the taxes that the teams and correlated businesses pay off in their profits, not to mention employs thousands of residents which also return in taxes. Throw in that most arenas also bring up the general economy around them and usually its a worthwhile investment for the city. They already get a large chunk of the pie.

iam brett favre
03-28-2012, 09:47 PM
New Orleans Jazz would have been sweet.

Uh....are you serious?

JasonJohnHorn
03-28-2012, 10:08 PM
Interesting question. Minnesota would be hanging several championship banners in the building if they stuck with the history of the city, and Utah is not the birth place of Jazz... i don't think a person in the state has ever even heard of miles davis... but it is what it is.

iam brett favre
03-28-2012, 10:10 PM
You do know that they were originally New Orleans Jazz right?

topdog
03-28-2012, 10:45 PM
It definitely makes sense that the name moves with the franchise just like any company that would relocate, but I do think that more owners should change the team name especially when it is awkward and doesn't have a great legacy (i.e. Lakers I wouldn't change because of the championship legacy).

That said, it is weird to be a Minnesota fan and not have a direct claim to those early championship banners which are hanging in LA. And a reservoir is definitely not a lake in my book. (Btw, there have always been like 3 lakes within a mile of wherever I've lived in Minnesota).

YankeesR#2
03-29-2012, 09:58 AM
After reading through all the responses it seems that they are split into two parts, the intelligent fans who agree with me that the nickname and history should stay with the city and the others.

The others are also split into two parts, the Young Republican Club who believe in protecting the rights of the rich and Laker fans who are afraid they will have to give up the championsips they "won" in Minneapolis.

The most egregious sin is the claim of Los Angeles to the wins by Lakers in Minneapolis. The Minneapolis Lakers were a dominent team the same way the Boston Celtics or New York Yankees were but no one remembers them.

The other thing I learned from the respones is the depth of the problem. There were a lot of teams that were mentioned that I hadn't thought of.

Someone said something about trolleys, the Brooklyn Dodgers were originally known as the Brooklyn trolley dodgers. I just rode in a trolley on my way to work in downtown Boston.

SteveNash
03-29-2012, 05:04 PM
Well the taxpayers' money that goes into funding arenas comes back to the city due to the taxes that the teams and correlated businesses pay off in their profits, not to mention employs thousands of residents which also return in taxes. Throw in that most arenas also bring up the general economy around them and usually its a worthwhile investment for the city. They already get a large chunk of the pie.

That's what's sold to you by special interest, and it sounds decent in theory. However studies have constantly shown little to no economic impact:
http://college.holycross.edu/RePEc/spe/BaadeBaumannMatheson_Strikes.pdf

There's never been a study that shows great return on investment. What that 300 million+ should be used on actual infrastructure.

SportsAndrew25
03-30-2012, 01:47 AM
california reservoirs are pretty much lakes. atleast Crystal Springs reservoir near my house is...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Springs_Reservoir


California has more than enough lakes. Dry Lakes in Death Valley count as well.You have the greatest sig in PSD history bro. :worthy: :speechless:

BoTiggle
03-30-2012, 02:00 AM
The city!

It belongs to the fans who shelled out the money to support the franchise.

C_Mund
03-30-2012, 02:27 AM
The history should stay with the franchise, but I do believe that there's an onus upon the owners to put out a product that the staff and fans can be proud to call their own as well. If you're uprooting a franchise for your own benefit, change the name to something the new fanbase will be able to identify with, seeing as they're the ones you're marketing to. It should be common sense.

C_Mund
03-30-2012, 02:28 AM
.......also, if an owner is actually REALLY concerned about maintaining the history....DON'T MOVE THE TEAM

Raph12
03-30-2012, 03:06 AM
Ask people from Oklahoma City, how much Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis mean to their city... Then ask fans from San Francisco/Oakland, if Wilt Chamberlain meant anything to their city...

You'll get two very different answers, sort of like the poll results.

BlinkManJan02
03-30-2012, 03:31 AM
I think they should leave the name behind, but I guess it's up to the owner. If the original name is more marketable I'm sure they would stick with that. If the Bucks moved to Vegas that would still work, just change up the logo heyyyy.