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LincDawg1993
03-15-2012, 10:46 PM
Just as the title says, rank the 5 positions in order of most valuable to least valuable. Here's mine.

1. PG- Need a great ball handler and passer to rack up assists and minimize TOs.

2. PF- I nearly put this one at the top spot. A good PF allows you to stretch the floor and opens up driving lanes.

3. SG- You need a good/great scorer to keep in front of the opposition.

4. C- A big body that racks up boards and anchors the defense.

5. SF- Similar to SG, and also interchangeable with SG. It just depends on what type of scorer your team needs.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 10:58 PM
Center at 4th?

Name me the last title winner that didn't have a center who wasn't either a star or candidate for DPOY.

1. Center
2. Point Guard
3. Small Forward
4. Power Forward
5. Shooting Guard

kjoke
03-15-2012, 11:00 PM
1. SG
2. C
3. SF
4. Pg
5. Pf

theDOC
03-15-2012, 11:11 PM
there is no right answer because no position is more important over another. there is no argument to it.

Public Enemy #1
03-15-2012, 11:11 PM
Center
Power Forward
PG
SG
SF

Think about how teams win championships... With great centers, Shaq, Russell, Kareem, Hakeem.

Jint.
03-15-2012, 11:17 PM
pg
c
sf
pf
sg

Bulls_fan90
03-15-2012, 11:18 PM
Pg
sf
c
sg
pf

KOBE24
03-15-2012, 11:19 PM
Center
Power Forward
PG
SG
SF

Think about how teams win championships... With great centers, Shaq, Russell, Kareem, Hakeem.

there is no right answer to this thread. center number one? what about jordan and the bulls?

NYKnicks4511
03-15-2012, 11:19 PM
1. C - Either a defensive anchor or offensive weapon. Either way, you need a shot blocker at minimum patrolling the painted area for you to make moves in the playoffs, history speaks for itself. Centers are an integral part of team defense, regardless of personnel.
2. PG - Not as necessary to win big, (see Lakers/Bulls Phil Jackson teams), but I also believe that is an anomaly. Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, etc., having a solid floor general is essential. Also first line of defense must be solid.
3. SG - In the right offense I think SG can be interchangeable with #1 or #2, but in most cases having a superstar SG doesn't make or break a roster. Just needs to be able to hit shots. (Exception, Kobe and MJ).
4. PF - Good defense, rebounding, toughness, and solid intangibles are really all a team needs from the 4 spot. Not going to have the ball in their hands dribbling wise in most cases, and they usually have to be set up by guards in terms of getting the ball in the right positions.
5. SF - Mostly play off-ball, not going to get as many rebounds as C's and PF's. Valuable if you can get a SF with good defense and who can create for himself.

NYKnicks4511
03-15-2012, 11:20 PM
there is no right answer to this thread. center number one? what about jordan and the bulls?

Horace Grant was no pushover, but I think the MJ Bulls are a distinct anomaly. The personnel on that team with Jordan and Pip, Rodman, Kerr etc. was just impeccably pieced together, and played out of their minds.

Rivera
03-15-2012, 11:21 PM
top flight scorer (sf/sg)
A really good big (pf/c)
A floor leader / general (pg)
Compliment to scorer (sg/sf)
Compliment to big (pf/c)

ManRam
03-15-2012, 11:21 PM
Well, I think a lot of positions can be interchangeable...mainly SF/SG. They can basically do the exact same thing for a team. Also, the variety of what you can get out of the position matters too. Are we talking scoring/passing PGs? Are we talking offensive/defensive big men. Etc.


I don't know what is the most important, but I think a scoring/star wing and a dominant big man are the two most important pieces. A great PG trails those two.

But there is no set method...and it really just depends on how the parts add up.


EDIT: I like Rivera's break down. And I think people are grossly over-valuing the necessity of having an elite PG. Give me 5 unselfish players willing to make the extra pass over one PG relied upon to create for everyone else.

Trueblue2
03-15-2012, 11:23 PM
It really depends on the team but..


C
PG
PF
SG
SF

SG and SF are interchangeable. It's really about a big/little combo whether it's a SG/PF or a PG/C.

Raph12
03-15-2012, 11:26 PM
1. C - A dominant center on either side of the floor will impact a team more than almost any other position
2. PG - A guy who could control the tempo, make the right decisions and shoot the ball well
3. Wing - SG/SF is irrelevant, wing scoring is what is important
4. PF - Another big who could either provide a punch on the offensive end or the defensive end, depending on the C
5. Wing - A lockdown defender, who could preferably be a knock-down shooter to spread the floor

KOBE24
03-15-2012, 11:30 PM
1. C - Either a defensive anchor or offensive weapon. Either way, you need a shot blocker at minimum patrolling the painted area for you to make moves in the playoffs, history speaks for itself. Centers are an integral part of team defense, regardless of personnel.
2. PG - Not as necessary to win big, (see Lakers/Bulls Phil Jackson teams), but I also believe that is an anomaly. Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, etc., having a solid floor general is essential. Also first line of defense must be solid.
3. SG - In the right offense I think SG can be interchangeable with #1 or #2, but in most cases having a superstar SG doesn't make or break a roster. Just needs to be able to hit shots. (Exception, Kobe and MJ).
4. PF - Good defense, rebounding, toughness, and solid intangibles are really all a team needs from the 4 spot. Not going to have the ball in their hands dribbling wise in most cases, and they usually have to be set up by guards in terms of getting the ball in the right positions.
5. SF - Mostly play off-ball, not going to get as many rebounds as C's and PF's. Valuable if you can get a SF with good defense and who can create for himself.

i am not saying ur wrong at all but i just think it is impossible to say what position is most important... based on what you are saying is the heat have no chance because their center is not a defensive weapon or offensive weapon... i think this thread is almost impossible to decide there is an exemption to everything

Monta is beast
03-15-2012, 11:40 PM
Point Guard
Center
Power Forward
Small Forward
Shooting Guard

RipCity32
03-15-2012, 11:40 PM
Center
Point Guard
and then however else you want it.

Sinestro
03-15-2012, 11:41 PM
1. C - A dominant center on either side of the floor will impact a team more than almost any other position
2. PG - A guy who could control the tempo, make the right decisions and shoot the ball well
3. Wing - SG/SF is irrelevant, wing scoring is what is important
4. PF - Another big who could either provide a punch on the offensive end or the defensive end, depending on the C
5. Wing - A lockdown defender, who could preferably be a knock-down shooter to spread the floor

This

LincDawg1993
03-15-2012, 11:44 PM
Well, I think a lot of positions can be interchangeable...mainly SF/SG. They can basically do the exact same thing for a team. Also, the variety of what you can get out of the position matters too. Are we talking scoring/passing PGs? Are we talking offensive/defensive big men. Etc.


I don't know what is the most important, but I think a scoring/star wing and a dominant big man are the two most important pieces. A great PG trails those two.

But there is no set method...and it really just depends on how the parts add up.


EDIT: I like Rivera's break down. And I think people are grossly over-valuing the necessity of having an elite PG. Give me 5 unselfish players willing to make the extra pass over one PG relied upon to create for everyone else.

I meant for you to think of the prototypical positions. Decent scoring ability from point guard, but a true pass-first guy, a scoring minded SG and SF, good mix of offense and defense at PF and C. I rated PG so high to minimize TOs mainly. Because a team who turns the ball over loses.

LincDawg1993
03-15-2012, 11:47 PM
i am not saying ur wrong at all but i just think it is impossible to say what position is most important... based on what you are saying is the heat have no chance because their center is not a defensive weapon or offensive weapon... i think this thread is almost impossible to decide there is an exemption to everything

It's all opinion based. If you are of the opinion that they are equal, then that's your opinion, and I can see where you're coming from. I had a hard time actually ranking mine, but I just can't see equal value for two interchangeable spots since almost every team will have one position down better than another.

kjoke
03-15-2012, 11:48 PM
I think center position is somewhat overated to be honest. A big man who can block and rebound is all you need. I mean the lst few teams that won it (Mavs, Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Pistons) All had serviceable big men and stars in the other position. Kobe O'neal was a tag team and the Rockets back in the day had star centers, but each failed against a sg/sf run team (Jordan, Pippen)

Bravo95
03-15-2012, 11:56 PM
Unless you have truly elite wings, a team needs to dominate in the post first and foremost on both ends.

KOBE24
03-16-2012, 12:00 AM
It's all opinion based. If you are of the opinion that they are equal, then that's your opinion, and I can see where you're coming from. I had a hard time actually ranking mine, but I just can't see equal value for two interchangeable spots since almost every team will have one position down better than another.

you had the point guard being the most important position? then what would you say about the lakers winning their most recent titles? derek fisher, hit many big shots, does not fit the description you used for the pg being the most important position...

head coach is the most important... look at the knicks, talented roster playing in the wrong system/coach... as of a couple days ago

Public Enemy #1
03-16-2012, 12:05 AM
there is no right answer to this thread. center number one? what about jordan and the bulls?

Jordan was the only one. And please don't say Kobe. He wouldn't have won any of his championships without Shaq and Gasol/Bynum.

KOBE24
03-16-2012, 12:16 AM
Jordan was the only one. And please don't say Kobe. He wouldn't have won any of his championships without Shaq and Gasol/Bynum.

i never once said kobe... but u are right kobe would not have won without shaq or gasol(even tho everyone on here says he is so soft and bynum really was banged up during the finals so i wont include him) there is not a single player that won a title by himself so i do not get what you are trying to argue. but anyways what i am saying is there is no real order if center is so important then everyone on here is saying jordan has no rings and that the heat are not a championship caliber team

conway429
03-16-2012, 12:38 AM
I think it totally depends on the coach and the team's style of play.
For every position, there's a team that's won a title with their best player playing that position.

KOBE24
03-16-2012, 12:47 AM
I think it totally depends on the coach and the team's style of play.
For every position, there's a team that's won a title with their best player playing that position.

plus 1:clap:

alexander_37
03-16-2012, 01:10 AM
C
PG
PF
SF
SG

Seriously how could someone put C 4th and SG 1st...

alexander_37
03-16-2012, 01:12 AM
I think center position is somewhat overated to be honest. A big man who can block and rebound is all you need. I mean the lst few teams that won it (Mavs, Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Pistons) All had serviceable big men and stars in the other position. Kobe O'neal was a tag team and the Rockets back in the day had star centers, but each failed against a sg/sf run team (Jordan, Pippen)

Seriously ... Jordan was the one SG in HISTORY who could carry a team as a wing. The guy was the greatest basketball player in history you can't use him as a precedent for building a team there will never be another Jordan.

Baller1
03-16-2012, 01:21 AM
top flight scorer (sf/sg)
A really good big (pf/c)
A floor leader / general (pg)
Compliment to scorer (sg/sf)
Compliment to big (pf/c)

Something along these lines.

Roles are easily interchangeable between positions, so it's hard to definitively rank them.

Birdmannn
03-16-2012, 01:22 AM
C
PG
PF
SF
SG

Seriously how could someone put C 4th and SG 1st...

Without knowing anything else about the team, coaches or players this is how I would rank them too.

BULLSFAN0810
03-16-2012, 02:47 AM
Just as the title says, rank the 5 positions in order of most valuable to least valuable. Here's mine.

1. PG- Need a great ball handler and passer to rack up assists and minimize TOs.

2. PF- I nearly put this one at the top spot. A good PF allows you to stretch the floor and opens up driving lanes.

3. SG- You need a good/great scorer to keep in front of the opposition.

4. C- A big body that racks up boards and anchors the defense.

5. SF- Similar to SG, and also interchangeable with SG. It just depends on what type of scorer your team needs.





close...but it goes

PG...penetrates...cause D to collaspe...ration out opportunities.

C...See PG *except penetrate

SG...secondary ball handler

Pf...high post usually the perimeter shooter of the bigs

SF..defender runner

IMO the 2 most important pos causes a chain reaction that the team capitalize off of easier.

if you really look at other position theyre more dependant on someone getting them the ball in idea opportunities/

theheatles
03-16-2012, 08:01 AM
1. most athletic with the most skills
2. next best athlete with the next best skills
3. next best athlete with the next best skills
4. next best athlete with the next best skills
5. next best athlete with the next best skills

theheatles
03-16-2012, 08:04 AM
position doesn't mean much in nba, only in college would i say pg is most important....it all depends on the system, in the last 25 yrs how many championship teams were won with pg centric teams?

PhillyFaninLA
03-16-2012, 08:40 AM
PG - controls the game, a defensive minded, elite passer, with a high basketball IQ changes any team and makes others better
C - If you have the PG and you can control down low you can pretty much do whatever you want offensively and defensibly, assuming you have the talent to do it.
SG, SF, PF - as long as you get the points, rebounds, free throw attempts, and defense you need then how you rank these does not matter

Chronz
03-16-2012, 02:04 PM
Center or PF, generally a 2-way Big

Swing

PG - Least important IMO

alexander_37
03-16-2012, 02:23 PM
1. most athletic with the most skills
2. next best athlete with the next best skills
3. next best athlete with the next best skills
4. next best athlete with the next best skills
5. next best athlete with the next best skills

Do you work in the Heat front office or something? Lol.

However by that logic Terrence Williams, Gerald Green, Javavle Mcgee, Tyreke Evans, Shannon Brown must be fringe all stars huh?

xILLN355
03-16-2012, 02:32 PM
1. lebron james
2. dwyane wade
3. chris bosh
4. scrub
5. scrub

/thread

Hawkeye15
03-16-2012, 02:36 PM
there is no right answer because no position is more important over another. There is no argument to it.

this

Hawkeye15
03-16-2012, 02:40 PM
Center or PF, generally a 2-way Big

Swing

PG - Least important IMO

do you really think one positions importance outweighs another that much though?

Chronz
03-16-2012, 02:43 PM
do you really think one positions importance outweighs another that much though?
Nope, just trying to play along

IndyRealist
03-16-2012, 02:44 PM
1. C - Because you can't teach size. Talented 7ft guys are a rarity, so if you have one he's going to annihilate the competition 3 out of 4 nights. Defense often live or die by their center.
2. PG - Because it's the most skilled position. You're required not only to know your position, but know what everyone else is doing on the floor as well. Probably the hardest position to defend, because PG's are the quickest guys on the floor.
3. PF - Probably the most versatile position these days, but generally don't excel at any one area. PF's are asked to do a lot. They defend the post, rebound, close out on 3pt shooters, shoot jumpers, post up, etc. Pretty much everything but handle the ball. Very few PF's do it all, which is why they're down to 3. Specialists who do 2 or 3 things well abound.
4. SF - Probably the least defined position. They cut to the basket some, they spot up, some even post up. Some point forwards run the offense, while other SF's are secondary post players. Often asked to guard multiple positions, they almost moved up to 3. But bigs get you more high percentage shots than wings do.
5 SG - Anyone who ranks SG's higher than 5th is deluding themselves into thinking MJ is coming back. Shooting guards shoot, that's about it. They guard other jump shooters. Their role is to space the floor for bigs to operate in the post or PG's or SF's to slash into the lane. Obviously there are exceptions (MJ, Kobe, Wade), but for the most part the job of the SG is to take a lot of low quality shots to keep defenses honest. It's intriguing that SG's are becoming fast enough these days to switch over to guard PG's on D, using their length to disrupt half court offenses. But in general they have the least impact on games. Might rank higher if the position wasn't flooded with guys either too small to play SF but should be, or with too low a basketball IQ to play PG.

L@ker4Life
03-16-2012, 02:57 PM
C - anchors the defense, high percentage shots
PG - facilitate and orchestrate the O. first line of D.
SG - Your most potent scorers. Can also penetrate and facilitate.
PF - interchangeable with SF. the type of player here will depend on who you have in the top 3 spots.
SF - interchangeable with PF. the type of player here will depend on who you have in the top 3 spots.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 03:20 PM
do you really think one positions importance outweighs another that much though?

I would think Center and it isn't even close.

I mean look at the centers on championship teams:

2011: Chandler (candidate for DPOY)
2010: Bynum (2nd best center in the NBA)
2009: Bynum
2008: Perkins (Great defensive anchor for Celts)
2007: I guess you can put Duncan?
2006: Shaq
2005: Duncan?
2004: Wallace (4x DPOY)
2003: Duncan?
2002: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Robinson

I mean if you don't have a defensive anchor down low, you don't have that much of a chance.

Hawkeye15
03-16-2012, 03:37 PM
Nope, just trying to play along

haha, good. I figured as much.

Hawkeye15
03-16-2012, 03:45 PM
I would think Center and it isn't even close.

I mean look at the centers on championship teams:

2011: Chandler (candidate for DPOY)
2010: Bynum (2nd best center in the NBA)
2009: Bynum
2008: Perkins (Great defensive anchor for Celts)
2007: I guess you can put Duncan?
2006: Shaq
2005: Duncan?
2004: Wallace (4x DPOY)
2003: Duncan?
2002: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Robinson

I mean if you don't have a defensive anchor down low, you don't have that much of a chance.


Then you can also make the case that having a premier wing to balance that big is just as important.

yoseppii12
03-16-2012, 03:58 PM
Most important position- Scoring Guard (Ball handling jumpshooter)

Not necessarily a PG, SG, or SF. The most important player on a basketball team is a player who can hit contested jumpshots. All the best players can create their own shot, but the greatest players can create their own jumpshot.

Although centers are important they can be taken out of games with double teams and hack-a-shaqs. Michael Jordan, Kobe, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce are guys that when in their prime (KD now) are the most dangerous.

mavwar53
03-16-2012, 04:03 PM
I'd say if you have a dominant center then you are a consistant playoff team with a chance at a title at any time. Any one saying PG is top 2 makes no sense to me. Name the last team that won the title in which the PG was their 1st or second best player. Detroit?

Mav's, I don't think so
Lakers, No
Celtics, No
Spurs, No
Heat, No
Detroit, Billups but it was more of a team effort rather him being dominant.
Spurs, Lakers and Bulls before that, NO
Detroit again, Yes that is the only guarantee in the last 20+ years that has had a PG that was one of their top 2 players be a PG with Isaiah Thomas.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 04:06 PM
Then you can also make the case that having a premier wing to balance that big is just as important.

Thinking about it, yeah that makes sense. I guess it's because Dallas didn't have a premier wing so it kinda hindered my thought process.

I'd go:

1. Center
2. Shooting Guard/Small Forward
3. Point Guard
4. Power Forward
5. Shooting Guard/Small Forward

yoseppii12
03-16-2012, 04:08 PM
I would think Center and it isn't even close.

I mean look at the centers on championship teams:

2011: Chandler (candidate for DPOY)
2010: Bynum (2nd best center in the NBA)
:2009: Bynum
2008: Perkins (Great defensive anchor for Celts)
2007: I guess you can put Duncan?
2006: Shaq
2005: Duncan?
2004: Wallace (4x DPOY)
2003: Duncan?
2002: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Robinson

I mean if you don't have a defensive anchor down low, you don't have that much of a chance.

yeahhh still think ball handler that can create your own jumpshot is way more.

2011: Dirk
2009/2010: Kobe
2008: Paul Pierce
2007: LOL duncan more like Parker @ 25 pts a game at 58% shooting in finals (MVP)
2006: DWade
2005: Duncan won the MVP but he was good because he could always shoot well...that glass shot.
2004: Ben Wallace was big but Billups way bigger IMO
2003: see 2005
2000-2002: Has Kobe still

For every team you named, I don't think 80% of them the guy was the most important on the team. I think this is obviously hard question ebcause **** if you win a championship then eveyrone is contributing. Like you need to be strong at almost every position.

But think about this. I think guards inherently are more important to a team ebecause they control the ball more. If you had some monster guy that could play impeccable D on a guard, it wouldn't matter how good your center was if they couldn't get him the ball on a regular basis. Distrupting another team's ball handler especially if they are limited can really kill a teams offensive ability. See Bulls and Drose of 2010-2011. Last year, when drose was getting doubled eveyrhtign fell apart...why? they had no ball handler, no one to create.

Hawkeye15
03-16-2012, 04:26 PM
the answer is, there is no position more important than another. Or not enough that its a dealbreaker.

Gram
03-16-2012, 05:08 PM
there is no right answer because no position is more important over another. there is no argument to it.

Agreed.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 05:15 PM
the answer is, there is no position more important than another. Or not enough that its a dealbreaker.

I would still say Center is by far the most important.

You could have an average point guard (Derek Fisher)
SG and SF are interchangeable. You can have an average SG but a star SF or vice versa.
Power Forward is the same. You can have just a solid starting PF if you have an elite big man down low.

I would say that PG/SG/SF/PF all depend. You can have a star at one of those positions and decent starters with roles at the other 3.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 05:18 PM
The things you need to have to win a championship.

1. A star
2. DEFENSE
3. REBOUNDING
4. Elite big man down low whether it is a star or an elite defensive big.
5. Great coach

uprightciti
03-16-2012, 05:27 PM
haha this is funny

pg
sf
sg
pf
c

Supa
03-16-2012, 05:31 PM
51423

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tr3ymill3r
03-16-2012, 05:46 PM
This is dumb, because it solely is based on who it is at that position. Just because you have a 7'0" doesn't mean you're set at center, just look at Michael Olawakandi. I guarantee by now each position has been listed at the number 1 spot at least once, because it's first based on the team you watch the most, so this is the thread that will go completely in circles.

4 POINT PLAY LJ
03-16-2012, 06:50 PM
1. SHAQ
2. Doesnt matter
3. Doesn't matter
4. Doesn't matter
5. Doesn't matter

Coach: Mike d Antoni

GSRaider
03-16-2012, 07:08 PM
1. Center
2. PG
3. PF
4. SG
5. SF

IMO

Bill Russell, Wilt, Kareem, David Robinson, The Dream, Shaq... If you have a dominating Center, you're going to win a lot of games...

sp1derm00
03-16-2012, 07:38 PM
C
sg/sf
pg
pf