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xnick5757
03-15-2012, 01:12 PM
now that howard is staying in orlando it is very likely that williams leaves after this year. this means that the Nets traded:

devis harris
derrick favors
2011 1st round pick from Nets (turned into Enes Kanter)
2012 1st round pick from GSW via Nets


for a year and a half of williams. they have nothing to show for the trade, being 15-29 this year and pretty much out of the playoffs.

where does this rank on the list of worst trades in NBA history, in your opinion?

carter15
03-15-2012, 01:15 PM
Maybe wait to see where he signs before making this thread.

Lloyd Christmas
03-15-2012, 01:16 PM
I don't think so. They took a chance. If Williams leaves they will be in the position of rebuilding they were before the Williams trade. I'd sacrifice 3 years of rebuilding at a chance of being a championship contender any day of the week.

greg_ory_2005
03-15-2012, 01:16 PM
If they do a sign and trade, they'll at least get something. When the Raptors traded Carter, they got NOTHING

xnick5757
03-15-2012, 01:18 PM
I don't think so. They took a chance. If Williams leaves they will be in the position of rebuilding they were before the Williams trade. I'd sacrifice 3 years of rebuilding at a chance of being a championship contender any day of the week.

if they never made the trade though they would have a core of:

brooks, favors, kanter, and lopez to build around.

waveycrockett
03-15-2012, 01:44 PM
There is a good chance he is staying. What exactly are Devin Harris and Derrick Favors doing?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-15-2012, 01:47 PM
premature

kjoke
03-15-2012, 01:47 PM
'very likely' doesn't mean **** anymore

Robbw241
03-15-2012, 01:49 PM
I'd say the Gerald trade we just made could be worse

NoahH
03-15-2012, 01:53 PM
They didn't give up much for D-Will... This remains to be seen tho if favors and kanter can step up

AceMan
03-15-2012, 02:05 PM
I'd make that deal again. When you have a chance to add a player like Deron Williams you do it and ask questions later. Now even if he leaves they'll get to bottom out with a top 5 pick this year and high picks over the next few years since they'll have nothing. They should let Brook go (no way is he worth his price) and just completely start over. The worst place to be in the NBA is the middle, the Nets seem like that's where they wanna be when they should be completely rebuilding if they lose Deron

JIDsanity
03-15-2012, 02:08 PM
What?

VinceCarter
03-15-2012, 02:11 PM
Wait, DWill is leaving? Where did you find out this info? You talk to DWill today?

JIDsanity
03-15-2012, 02:13 PM
Wait, DWill is leaving? Where did you find out this info? You talk to DWill today?

I think he's a psychic.

BradfordIsElite
03-15-2012, 02:15 PM
There's is still a lot more time for the Nets to please Williams.

Acquiring Wallace is a good step in that direction.

Right now they would have-

Deron Williams/Farmar
Marshon Brooks/Morrow
Gerald Wallace
Kris Humphries
Brook Lopez/Williams

Them moving into Brooklyn next year should help as it gets closer to the time as well.
If they can get one more good big man in their, it may be just enough.

BradfordIsElite
03-15-2012, 02:15 PM
There's is still a lot more time for the Nets to please Williams.

Acquiring Wallace is a good step in that direction.

Right now they would have-

Deron Williams/Farmar
Marshon Brooks/Morrow
Gerald Wallace
Kris Humphries
Brook Lopez/Williams

Them moving into Brooklyn next year should help as it gets closer to the time as well.
If they can get one more good big man in there, it may just be enough.

Bogut would have been nice. Too bad Howard kept them waiting.

*Superman*
03-15-2012, 02:17 PM
If I learned anything, it is that anything is possible, including him staying with the Nets.

nycsports2
03-15-2012, 02:20 PM
nope nets fans say melo was so its gotta be melo

dewpsp
03-15-2012, 02:29 PM
chris paul trade is worse. hornets basically gets nothing after gordon walks this year. good job stern.

Losoway
03-15-2012, 02:33 PM
Nets still have a good squad

they just need to get ONE more Piece

why dwight why dwight ? :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Ender
03-15-2012, 02:38 PM
#1 overall (Brad Daugherty) from PHI to CLE for Roy Hinson.

Moses Malone & Terry Catledge from PHI to WAS for Jeff Ruland & Cliff Robinson v1.0.

All on the same day in 1986.

Frantico
03-15-2012, 02:38 PM
The Nets were absolutely RAPED in the deal. A front line of Kanter and Favors will be extremely tough to deal with for years to come. And who knows what the 2012 GS high draft pick could produce in a great draft year? The Jazz will be a powerhouse in a couple of years...

But more importantly, we already know what the Nets got (whether if it's only for a year and a half or longer) they got a top 5 PG (NOT top 3) who is a whiny little ***** with suspicious moral ethics who drove a legendary coach into retirement and is clearly not a team leader.

topdog
03-15-2012, 02:54 PM
It was always a risk but it was one that they likely needed to make with 1. a billionaire owner who was supposed to do something big and 2. soon to be New York's "other team." We still don't know what happens because it was supposed to be Williams and Dwight in Dallas too.


If they do a sign and trade, they'll at least get something. When the Raptors traded Carter, they got NOTHING

At worst, it's Nets karma for giving crap to Toronto for Vince.

xnick5757
03-15-2012, 03:03 PM
I'd make that deal again. When you have a chance to add a player like Deron Williams you do it and ask questions later. Now even if he leaves they'll get to bottom out with a top 5 pick this year and high picks over the next few years since they'll have nothing. They should let Brook go (no way is he worth his price) and just completely start over. The worst place to be in the NBA is the middle, the Nets seem like that's where they wanna be when they should be completely rebuilding if they lose Deron

they just traded their pick this year for wallace lol

Rockice_8
03-15-2012, 03:06 PM
Nets need to find an impact bigman who can play the 4/5 behind Hump and Lopez and I think they are a playoff team. They have a solid starting 5 and Farmar, Morrow, and Green are looking like a solid bench, just need help up front now. Easier said then done but DAL is barely hanging on in the West not exactly a no brainer to go there.

Rockice_8
03-15-2012, 03:09 PM
The Nets were absolutely RAPED in the deal. A front line of Kanter and Favors will be extremely tough to deal with for years to come. And who knows what the 2012 GS high draft pick could produce in a great draft year? The Jazz will be a powerhouse in a couple of years...

But more importantly, we already know what the Nets got (whether if it's only for a year and a half or longer) they got a top 5 PG (NOT top 3) who is a whiny little ***** with suspicious moral ethics who drove a legendary coach into retirement and is clearly not a team leader.


Must be a Jazz fan?

Kanter and Favors are promising but that's far from a guarantee.

jp611
03-15-2012, 03:19 PM
Slightly better than the Carmelo Anthony trade

Chrisstyles
03-15-2012, 03:19 PM
Happened with the Celtics and Warriors
When Joe Barry Carroll was traded for Robert Parish and an unknown Kevin McHale.
They ended up winning a few championships in Boston and Joe Barry Carroll's nickname was Joe Barely Cares

(Than again I think Bill Russell was traded for some guys too) those Celtics no how to trade. Ray Allen, Garnett wink, wink

gattaca
03-15-2012, 03:25 PM
Williams trade?The Williams's trade from New Jersey to TOR for Vince Carter was worse. This trade isn't "done" yet because Williams has not decided what to do.

infernoscurse
03-16-2012, 11:30 AM
dwill will go to the knicks for amare and jeremy lin

Deemerc
03-16-2012, 11:40 AM
Psd.... Where the psychics of the world come together to discuss the future

abe_froman
03-16-2012, 11:47 AM
it could end up being up there but there have been worse trades( joe barry carroll for parish and mchale,polynice for pippen,or cliff hagen for bill russell.....just to name a few)

llemon
03-16-2012, 11:50 AM
If they do a sign and trade, they'll at least get something. When the Raptors traded Carter, they got NOTHING

So Raptors got what Carter was worth.

pebloemer
03-16-2012, 11:59 AM
We'll see what DWill does. I thought it was a dumb trade when they made it, but if they retain the player than it instantly becomes a deal any GM in the league would make. It's a gamble that hasn't been determined yet.

LongIslandIcedZ
03-16-2012, 12:05 PM
I thought this Dwight thing would have taught everyone something. That nobody really knows what the hell is gonna happen. If Williams goes to Dallas in the offseason and Kanter and Favors end up being hall of famers, then yea it could be the worst trade ever. If DWill signs with the Nets, entices a free agent to sign there and Favors and Kanter turn out to be busts, it could be an amazing trade.

Point is no one knows. It really does suck for all but about 3 Net fans, they certainly deserve better than whats happened the last few days, especially considering the move to Brooklyn.

THE_FLASH_21
03-16-2012, 12:09 PM
There is a good chance he is staying. What exactly are Devin Harris and Derrick Favors doing?

Favors will become an all star he is still to young. Favors shows flashes that he will be great. Just needs more minutes. Playing behind Milsap and Jefferson is really tough..

THE_FLASH_21
03-16-2012, 12:13 PM
The Nets were absolutely RAPED in the deal. A front line of Kanter and Favors will be extremely tough to deal with for years to come. And who knows what the 2012 GS high draft pick could produce in a great draft year? The Jazz will be a powerhouse in a couple of years...

But more importantly, we already know what the Nets got (whether if it's only for a year and a half or longer) they got a top 5 PG (NOT top 3) who is a whiny little ***** with suspicious moral ethics who drove a legendary coach into retirement and is clearly not a team leader.


the 1st part is what many people say and what i'm saying. But the 2nd Paragraph is wrong.. dude is a top 2 PG and it's not even close.

HT9Canada
03-16-2012, 12:13 PM
If they do a sign and trade, they'll at least get something. When the Raptors traded Carter, they got NOTHING

not true. " The Toronto Raptors announced Friday they have acquired forward Eric Williams, forward/centre Aaron Williams and centre Alonzo Mourning, along with two first-round draft picks from the New Jersey Nets in exchange for Vince Carter." not a good package but more than nothing

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:02 PM
If he leaves, yes.

If he stays, well we have to wait and see how they build around him.

JasonJohnHorn
03-16-2012, 05:43 PM
Its the draft picks they gave up that really hurts. Portland, for example, just gave away a couple of players, but they are clearing capspace and getting draft picks in the process, which is key to rebuilding. the Nets though put themselves in a position where all their eggs are in one basket, or rather, the egg is in one basket. It doesnt look like D-Will will stay, so they gave up some high picks and prosepcts for a player whose potential depature will put them back into rebuilding mode and leave them behind two years in the process.

Not a good trade in hindsight, but when you get a chance to add a player like D-Will, you take it.

Fireworld
03-16-2012, 06:22 PM
No. They rolled the dice. It's just the way the NBA is today. Players run the team behind the curtain.

heyman321
03-16-2012, 07:31 PM
The Nets were absolutely RAPED in the deal. A front line of Kanter and Favors will be extremely tough to deal with for years to come. And who knows what the 2012 GS high draft pick could produce in a great draft year? The Jazz will be a powerhouse in a couple of years...

But more importantly, we already know what the Nets got (whether if it's only for a year and a half or longer) they got a top 5 PG (NOT top 3) who is a whiny little ***** with suspicious moral ethics who drove a legendary coach into retirement and is clearly not a team leader.

Kanter and Favors are terrible, New Jersey didn't give up much. It's better that they have a chance to keep Deron

lionboy17
03-16-2012, 07:47 PM
The Nets were absolutely RAPED in the deal. A front line of Kanter and Favors will be extremely tough to deal with for years to come. And who knows what the 2012 GS high draft pick could produce in a great draft year? The Jazz will be a powerhouse in a couple of years...

But more importantly, we already know what the Nets got (whether if it's only for a year and a half or longer) they got a top 5 PG (NOT top 3) who is a whiny little ***** with suspicious moral ethics who drove a legendary coach into retirement and is clearly not a team leader.


the 1st part is what many people say and what i'm saying. But the 2nd Paragraph is wrong.. dude is a top 2 PG and it's not even close.

How is he top 2...I would have rondo, cp3, and rose ahead of him. Not top 3 for sure.

lionboy17
03-16-2012, 07:51 PM
Favors really can't get steady minutes playing behind al Jeff and milsap. Need to see what he can do as a starter or with more mins before you can say he is a bad player.

King P
03-18-2012, 02:27 AM
Regardless of what happens to D-Will, I would would still makes this trade all over again if given te chance. You donít win big if you donít bet big. Prokhorov may have lost this one, but Iím sure he hasnít achieved what he did in life by not betting big. If Prokhorov keeps his interest in this team, they still have a bright future.

Raps18-19 Champ
03-18-2012, 02:27 AM
Hindsight.

At the time, it was a decent deal IMO.