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latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:20 AM
Hey PSD Community I am interested in hearing your opinions on this:

New Jersey pulled off a great trade for Deron Williams. It was a high risk deal hoping they could pair Deron with Dwight this summer. They rolled the dice and played hardball with the best of them. Dwight screwed them big time changing his mind in the final hours of the trade deadline.

With Dwight extending with the Magic is there really a reason for Deron to stay? If your Nets management do you ship him for young talent and risk going broke in the new arena having no marketable player to sell to your fanbase in brooklyn? Do you keep him and hope he stays and possibly lose him for nothing?

Not really sure what the answer is here. Its just got to really suck that the BluePrint almost worked and it just got torched down the home stretch.

ESPN is reporting that they are trying to surround Deron with talent before the Trade Deadline is up. I dont see any scenario that Deron stays without having Dwight here.

What are your thoughts on the Blue Print of Success?

LongIslandIcedZ
03-15-2012, 11:23 AM
I am under the impression Dwight hasnt signed anything yet. Until he officially signs the ETO, this thread is premature.

Dankster
03-15-2012, 11:24 AM
I hope they can find a way to keep him, he'll be the face of the franchise for the next 5-7 years. They desperately need him, even if just for marketability purposes, and to lose him for nothing would be a disaster. Marshon and Lopez are very nice players but they're not the types that can galvanize a fanbase especially with their relocation to a larger area where their fanbase should expand greatly.

They need to do whatever they can to retain Dwill. Star power goes a long way from a marketing standpoint. But the more I think of it, the harder it is to imagine he won't be going home to Dallas and signing with them in the offseason.

benzni
03-15-2012, 11:25 AM
blue print of disaster

oak2455
03-15-2012, 11:26 AM
Not trading Deron the Nets have assets and a lot of them so they can make some big trades

BigBlueCrew
03-15-2012, 11:30 AM
I wonder what DoMeFavors thinks of the blue print

JerseysFinest
03-15-2012, 11:38 AM
I think people should judge them after the deadline, then decide if he stays or not.

Raph12
03-15-2012, 11:41 AM
If I were the Nets and Dwight signs the waiver, I trade everything but the picks away trying to get better, get a couple of expirings so I have a lot of room for the 2012 FA class (Dwight, CP3, Monta, JSmoove, etc) and then hope for a high draft pick, I'd develop that pick next season and then trade him and fillers for Dwight... If they let Dwight expire, I continue developing my rook and just make a huge pitch at guys in 2013.

That's best-case scenario IMO, but yes, if Dwight opts in, they'll be ****ed.

RaiderLakersA's
03-15-2012, 11:42 AM
It's not a blueprint or a formula for success until you actually achieve the desired affirmative end. What we have here is a failed machination, the residue of flawed design and the absence of circumspect conceptualization. Scrap it and try again.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:45 AM
I wonder what DoMeFavors thinks of the blue print

DoMeFavors probably wont be on PSD much if Howard signs that opt in.

oak2455
03-15-2012, 11:45 AM
I think people should judge them after the deadline, then decide if he stays or not.

totally agree I think the Nets have back up plans

JIDsanity
03-15-2012, 11:51 AM
Isn't this bating?

sharqstealth
03-15-2012, 11:56 AM
DoMeFavors probably wont be on PSD much if Howard signs that opt in.

He would probably be sulked in a corner of his room :cry:, another heartbreak for him...

ManningToTyree
03-15-2012, 11:59 AM
Isn't this bating?

No.

Like others have said, we should wait until we see what else the Nets do before 3 o clock

Deemerc
03-15-2012, 12:00 PM
I wonder what DoMeFavors thinks of the blue print

according to him he gets tens, plenty of them. he doesnt need psd.

oak2455
03-15-2012, 12:01 PM
according to him he gets tens, plenty of them. he doesnt need psd.

he said he gets plenty and dissed my sig

BigBlueCrew
03-15-2012, 12:01 PM
according to him he gets tens, plenty of them. he doesnt need psd.

so I read last night and almost died laughing

Raph12
03-15-2012, 12:04 PM
he said he gets plenty and dissed my sig

You see, now that's just wrong... I'm dating a pretty hot girl right now (wouldn't say she's a 10, maybe an 8.5 at best), but I could definitely appreciate a cute/hot chic.

Maybe I'm biased because I have a fetish for boobs.

oak2455
03-15-2012, 12:06 PM
You see, now that's just wrong... I'm dating a pretty hot girl right now (wouldn't say she's a 10, maybe an 8.5 at best), but I could definitely appreciate a cute/hot chic.

Maybe I'm biased because I have a fetish for boobs.

lol....my wife seen me on this site and said atleast your not looking at porn.....lol :o

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 12:06 PM
Na this isnt baiting. I asked thought on the scenarios I listed above. If it was baiting the thread would be mocking the people who thought Dwight to NJ was in the bag. As a Knick Fan I know how it feels to get snubbed so I wouldnt rub it in their face.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 12:26 PM
Dwight just signed to play in Orlando up until next season.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 07:06 PM
Your back up plan was Gerald Wallace. This team is over. Is there anyone who would be willing to sign there next year after Deron leaves to Dallas?

Its a new arena, but the roster is complete garbage. They may have to do what the Thunder did and build through the draft. A sad day for Nets fans.

YoungOne
03-15-2012, 07:29 PM
well a line up with dwill-brooks-wallace-humphries-lopez doesnt sound too bad, playoffs if they stay together.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 07:53 PM
With 24 games left incorporating a new starter maybe they can sneak into the playoffs. I think that for most teams this would be adequate enough but the Nets needed to make a much bigger splash then a second tier small forward to keep Deron in NJ.

Going into the offseason when Deron has the opportunity to pair with Dirk vs Gerald I think the odds are hes going to pick Dirk.

Nets messed up big time on this one. If Deron leaves that sets them back another 2 years at least.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 08:02 PM
With 24 games left incorporating a new starter maybe they can sneak into the playoffs. I think that for most teams this would be adequate enough but the Nets needed to make a much bigger splash then a second tier small forward to keep Deron in NJ.

Going into the offseason when Deron has the opportunity to pair with Dirk vs Gerald I think the odds are hes going to pick Dirk.

Nets messed up big time on this one. If Deron leaves that sets them back another 2 years at least.

The Nets are still young, they have money, draft picks, and a new arena waiting in Brooklyn. Its obvious the Mavs are getting old and we're already seeing their decline. That team wasn't built for the long haul which is why Cuban went after Kidd.

The Jokemaker
03-15-2012, 08:05 PM
Well this is what you get when you bank on FA's trying to join up for an all-star team. Maybe if they tried to actually build a team instead of get two superstars they'd actually be decent this season.

And I disagree with the whole "Dwight screwed them" when he was still with another team. The correct thing to say would be the Nets screwed themselves.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 08:10 PM
Well this is what you get when you bank on FA's trying to join up for an all-star team. Maybe if they tried to actually build a team instead of get two superstars they'd actually be decent this season.

And I disagree with the whole "Dwight screwed them" when he was still with another team. The correct thing to say would be the Nets screwed themselves.

The Nets have drafted pretty well the last few years. Lopez, T-Will, Favors, and Brooks were all drafted by the Nets. T-Will was traded for a draft pick. Favors was used to acquire Williams.

Edit- Brooks was drafted by the Celtics and traded to the Nets on draft night

Trueblue2
03-15-2012, 08:18 PM
Isn't this bating?

There's a big difference between bating and baiting...


And it's neither, it's a legitimate question. Why is it that we can't discuss a team without their fanbase getting all butt hurt.

RadiantShot
03-15-2012, 08:20 PM
Read up to "Dwight screwed them big time," and stopped. Ignorant statement.

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-15-2012, 08:25 PM
If the Nets let Deron walk in free agency, he will be a Dallas Maverick.

If the Nets want compensation for Deron and Deron allows them to do so, he will be a Los Angeles Laker.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 08:34 PM
The Nets are still young, they have money, draft picks, and a new arena waiting in Brooklyn. Its obvious the Mavs are getting old and we're already seeing their decline. That team wasn't built for the long haul which is why Cuban went after Kidd.

The Mavericks owner has shown the competance to surround Dirk with talent. Even if they are getting old Deron will make that team a contender even without Dwight. Gives Dwight one more year to decide where to play.

I dont see any plausible scenario that the Nets can feel good about this deadline.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 08:37 PM
Read up to "Dwight screwed them big time," and stopped. Ignorant statement.

Theres nothing ignorant about the statement. He kept giving the Nets fans a serious woody on him joining. In the final hours of free agency he got scared he would lose endorsements if he couldnt make the Nets a playoff contender so he stuck with the sure thing in Orlando. He did it in the final hours of the trade deadline. He really screwed the Nets.

The Nets were allowed to talk to him and everything. There is no scenario that would make me believe the Nets held out as long as they did if Dwight didnt assure them he was going to be a Net.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 08:40 PM
The Nets have like 40 combined wins the past 2 years. Success.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 08:41 PM
The Mavericks owner has shown the competance to surround Dirk with talent. Even if they are getting old Deron will make that team a contender even without Dwight. Gives Dwight one more year to decide where to play.

I dont see any plausible scenario that the Nets can feel good about this deadline.

Mark Cuban continually goes over the cap to surround him with that talent. You don't think the Nets owner will do the same for Deron? They have the wealthiest owner in the league. In years past the owners have been cheap (Bruce Ratner wanted VC gone), but Mikhail Prokhorov is a big spender and has already invested a ton a money into the Nets. I can't see him being afraid to spend a few extra million to secure a contending team.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 08:42 PM
The Nets have like 40 combined wins the past 2 years. Success.

Says the Cavs fan :rolleyes:

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 08:46 PM
Mark Cuban continually goes over the cap to surround him with that talent. You don't think the Nets owner will do the same for Deron? They have the wealthiest owner in the league. In years past the owners have been cheap (Bruce Ratner wanted VC gone), but Mikhail Prokhorov is a big spender and has already invested a ton a money into the Nets. I can't see him being afraid to spend a few extra million to secure a contending team.

Deron would rather come home to play with a superstar in Dirk and an owner who has shown he spends tons of money to win over a team with Brook Lopez as their best player (outside of Deron).

Dallas could still go after Eric Gordon or Roy Hibbert as well.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 08:46 PM
I wanted to mention that, I don't think a year and 1/2 ago the Nets FO even thought they would be in a position where they would be trying to team D-Will up with Howard, let alone even have one of those guys. Let's not act like this is the worst thing to happen to them. Lol.

ndfightirish12
03-15-2012, 08:50 PM
Deron would rather come home to play with a superstar in Dirk and an owner who has shown he spends tons of money to win over a team with Brook Lopez as their best player (outside of Deron).

Dallas could still go after Eric Gordon or Roy Hibbert as well.

so can the nets

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 08:53 PM
Mark Cuban continually goes over the cap to surround him with that talent. You don't think the Nets owner will do the same for Deron? They have the wealthiest owner in the league. In years past the owners have been cheap (Bruce Ratner wanted VC gone), but Mikhail Prokhorov is a big spender and has already invested a ton a money into the Nets. I can't see him being afraid to spend a few extra million to secure a contending team.

Yeah you have a rich owner but look at his track record. Cuban actually keeps his team competitive.

kozelkid
03-15-2012, 09:02 PM
Man, Billy King is easily the worst gm in the league. Amazes me how much **** Kahn gets while this dude is still employed in this league.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 09:03 PM
It's his second year. How long did it take for Cuban's team to win a championship? I remember the Nash days, they were good, but couldn't quite get it done. Unless you're the Lakers, you can't build a championship team overnight.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:03 PM
Says the Cavs fan :rolleyes:

I'm a Mavericks fan...

Championship.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:05 PM
so can the nets

Would you rather play with Dirk and get a big contract or play with Brook Lopez and get a big contract?

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 09:08 PM
Would you rather play with Dirk and get a big contract or play with Brook Lopez and get a big contract?

Bigger contract with the Nets and better endorsements while the team is YOURS and no one elses.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 09:08 PM
Yeah you have a rich owner but look at his track record. Cuban actually keeps his team competitive.

what about his track record?

he inherited a team with 4 all-star caliber players in their prime lol...let me know what he does after dirk retires

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 09:09 PM
I'm a Mavericks fan...

Championship.

Mistaken by a person wearing a Cavs jersey in your avatar. . .

Enjoy it.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:11 PM
what about his track record?

he inherited a team with 4 all-star caliber players in their prime lol...let me know what he does after dirk retires

After letting Nash go, he trades for Jason Terry who has been the best 6th man for the past 5-6 years and a top notch 4th quarter player in the NBA.

Trades for Shawn Marion who is a top 5 defender in the NBA. Plays unbelievable defense on Kobe, Durant, LeBron and Wade in championship run.

Trades Devin Harris for Jason Kidd.

Signs Tyson Chandler.



Yeah Cuban sucks.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:12 PM
Mistaken by a person wearing a Cavs jersey in your avatar. . .

Enjoy it.

It's Kyrie Irving, one of my favorite players.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 09:18 PM
After letting Nash go, he trades for Jason Terry who has been the best 6th man for the past 5-6 years and a top notch 4th quarter player in the NBA.

Trades for Shawn Marion who is a top 5 defender in the NBA. Plays unbelievable defense on Kobe, Durant, LeBron and Wade in championship run.

Trades Devin Harris for Jason Kidd.

Signs Tyson Chandler.



Yeah Cuban sucks.

Keep it real, that Kidd trade looked terrible until you guys won last year. Harris was on the All Star team the next season after being traded and was cheaper. Plus, Kidd wanted out and was done a favor by being traded to a contender for what he did for the Nets. It wasn't all Cuban.

Marion was washed up and found a nice home in Dallas, I'll give him that.

Why is Chandler not still on the Mavs?

What about the fail that was once known as Lamar Odom?

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 09:22 PM
what about his track record?

he inherited a team with 4 all-star caliber players in their prime lol...let me know what he does after dirk retires

I am fairly sure that is incorrect. When he inherited the Mavericks they werent a good team. He built them into a legitimate contender year in and year out.

Nets owner Prok traded away the house for Deron. Tried to trade away the house again for Dwight and missed. Now he has 1 superstar who can easily leave him if he wants and has set him back 2 years if he does.

Comparing Cuban and Prok and saying they are on the same page is a bit ridiculous. Prok cant sniff Cubans jock strap

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:22 PM
Keep it real, that Kidd trade looked terrible until you guys won last year. Harris was on the All Star team the next season after being traded and was cheaper. Plus, Kidd wanted out and was done a favor by being traded to a contender for what he did for the Nets. It wasn't all Cuban.

Marion was washed up and found a nice home in Dallas, I'll give him that.

Why is Chandler not still on the Mavs?

What about the fail that was once known as Lamar Odom?

After that one good year by Harris, he was complete garbage. Meanwhile, Kidd was getting Dirk easier shots and racking up multiple double digit assist games. He was also the smartest player in the NBA.

Chandler isn't on the Mavs because he is very injury prone and we don't want to give him a huge contract that will prevent us from signing big FA.

You can't blame Cuban for the Odom trade. He was the reigning 6h man of the year and was a top 20 talent in the NBA. You can't control personal lives.

Cuban has been a top 3-5 owner the past decade.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 09:30 PM
I am fairly sure that is incorrect. When he inherited the Mavericks they werent a good team. He built them into a legitimate contender year in and year out.

Nets owner Prok traded away the house for Deron. Tried to trade away the house again for Dwight and missed. Now he has 1 superstar who can easily leave him if he wants and has set him back 2 years if he does.

Comparing Cuban and Prok and saying they are on the same page is a bit ridiculous. Prok cant sniff Cubans jock strap

That would be Billy King. Proky is the bank, King is the brains. . . or lack thereof.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 09:31 PM
I am fairly sure that is incorrect. When he inherited the Mavericks they werent a good team. He built them into a legitimate contender year in and year out.

Nets owner Prok traded away the house for Deron. Tried to trade away the house again for Dwight and missed. Now he has 1 superstar who can easily leave him if he wants and has set him back 2 years if he does.

Comparing Cuban and Prok and saying they are on the same page is a bit ridiculous. Prok cant sniff Cubans jock strap


you are wrong


he became owner in 2000... the 2000-2001 mavs had 53 wins and 4 all-star caliber players

prok inherited a god awful team

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 09:32 PM
Nash, Finley, Nowtizki, & Bradley?

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 09:32 PM
nash finley dirk juwan howard

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:35 PM
Nash, Finley, Nowtizki, & Bradley?

Nash and Finley were good.

Naming Shawn Bradley is just.......funny. I'll leave it at that.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:37 PM
nash finley dirk juwan howard

Juwan Howard was a solid starter and was in Dallas for one and a half seasons. If you think he was anything close to a star, you are sorely mistaken.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 09:41 PM
Nash and Finley were good.

Naming Shawn Bradley is just.......funny. I'll leave it at that.

I couldn't remember the 4th. Lol. You're lucky I didn't say Eduardo Najera.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 09:41 PM
Juwan Howard was a solid starter and was in Dallas for one and a half seasons. If you think he was anything close to a star, you are sorely mistaken.

maybe you can learn to read

I said all-star CALIBER... and yes he was... he actually made the all-star game before

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:48 PM
I couldn't remember the 4th. Lol. You're lucky I didn't say Eduardo Najera.

Shoulda said Eddy. He was the real superstar!

lvlheaded
03-15-2012, 09:49 PM
The problem was the Nets were so hellbent on getting stars to be the face of the move to Brooklyn instead of building through the draft. They saw the Heat get LeBron and Bosh, the Knicks get Amar'e and Carmelo, the Lakers being the Lakers, the Bulls adding Carlos Boozer to the core they already had, and they panicked. They were thinking "we have to get established stars in here now" instead of building their team.

If the Nets dont trade for D-Will, they are sitting here with Harris, Brooks, Lopez, Favors, Kanter, and 3 lottery or close to lottery picks in an extremely deep draft. In year 2 in Brooklyn, they could have been looking at a very very good young team that was just going to continue to improve. Instead, they have Brooks, Lopez, and 2 picks.

Is D-Will absolutely leaving? No, of course not. But if he does, that team is in the hole even deeper than they were before he got there

CudiOnMyiPod
03-15-2012, 09:50 PM
maybe you can learn to read

I said all-star CALIBER... and yes he was... he actually made the all-star game before

Allen Iverson made the all star team when he was averaging something like 9 points on 40% shooting. Just because you make the all star team doesn't mean you are of that calibur. Juwan Howard was nowhere near an All Star player. Nash was an All Star but nothing more really with us. Finley was a good scorer and a borderline all star but even that was arguable. The only star he had was Dirk and once Nash and Finley left, he built a championship team.

JerseysFinest
03-15-2012, 09:52 PM
The problem was the Nets were so hellbent on getting stars to be the face of the move to Brooklyn instead of building through the draft. They saw the Heat get LeBron and Bosh, the Knicks get Amar'e and Carmelo, the Lakers being the Lakers, the Bulls adding Carlos Boozer to the core they already had, and they panicked. They were thinking "we have to get established stars in here now" instead of building their team.

If the Nets dont trade for D-Will, they are sitting here with Harris, Brooks, Lopez, Favors, Kanter, and 3 lottery or close to lottery picks in an extremely deep draft. In year 2 in Brooklyn, they could have been looking at a very very good young team that was just going to continue to improve. Instead, they have Brooks, Lopez, and 2 picks.

Is D-Will absolutely leaving? No, of course not. But if he does, that team is in the hole even deeper than they were before he got there

spot-on.

BKLYNpigeon
03-15-2012, 09:56 PM
D-Will will probably stay with the Nets. He has been making a killing with all the new endorsements.

“It’s been a lot different than Utah, that’s for sure,” said Williams, who has picked up endorsements from Audi, Metro PCS, Bonobos suits and Red Bull, among others. “It’s definitely a bigger market, a better market, able to reach more people.A lot of the companies I’m dealing with are excited about the move to Brooklyn. It really excites them.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/nets/2012/03/deron-williams-already-reaping-the-marketing-benefits-of-brooklyn

BKLYNpigeon
03-15-2012, 09:58 PM
btw, Pokorov Nets owner lost 5 billion dollars last year. I dont think he would care that much is the Nets start out slow.

oak2455
03-15-2012, 09:58 PM
The problem was the Nets were so hellbent on getting stars to be the face of the move to Brooklyn instead of building through the draft. They saw the Heat get LeBron and Bosh, the Knicks get Amar'e and Carmelo, the Lakers being the Lakers, the Bulls adding Carlos Boozer to the core they already had, and they panicked. They were thinking "we have to get established stars in here now" instead of building their team.

If the Nets dont trade for D-Will, they are sitting here with Harris, Brooks, Lopez, Favors, Kanter, and 3 lottery or close to lottery picks in an extremely deep draft. In year 2 in Brooklyn, they could have been looking at a very very good young team that was just going to continue to improve. Instead, they have Brooks, Lopez, and 2 picks.

Is D-Will absolutely leaving? No, of course not. But if he does, that team is in the hole even deeper than they were before he got there

good post:clap:

goNYgoNYgo
03-15-2012, 10:05 PM
blueprint? you mean putting a picture of jay z and the russian owner in front of msg wasn't it?

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:10 PM
you are wrong


he became owner in 2000... the 2000-2001 mavs had 53 wins and 4 all-star caliber players

prok inherited a god awful team

This is completely off topic but I will entertain your nonsense for a moment.

Cuban bought the team during the 1999-2000 season. January to be exact.
The season prior 1998-1999 lockout shortened season they finished 19-31. Talk about a powerhouse!!!!!

Roster for that season - Antsey, Bradley, Ceballos, Hubert Davis, Finley, AC Green, Nash (not a superstar at that time), Nowitzki, Robert Pack, Erick Strickland, Sundov, Trent, Samaki Walker, and Hot Rod Williams.

Dirk Nowitzki averaged 8 points that year. It was his rookie year. Nash averaged 6 assists and 8 points that year as well. By no means is that a superstar.

Season Cuban inherits team the Roster is Bradley, Buckner, Ceballos, Hubert Davis, Rick Hughes, Randall Jackson, Damon Jones, Finley Nash (not a superstar at that time), Nowitzki, Robert Pack, Rhodes, Dennis Rodman, Sean Rooks, Erick Strickland, Sundov, Trent,

I bolded the returning players for you. Where are these 4 superstars that Cuban inherited when he got the team? By the way with HIS roster changes that year they went 40 - 42. The year following they went 53-29.

So dont tell me that Cuban was handed a winner when he got here because that was clearly not the case. You sir are very wrong in your analysis comparing Prokorhov and Cuban.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:17 PM
THE TEAM HAD NASH AND DIRK .... are you really trying to act like he wasnt gift wrapped a perfect situation... and how many rings does he has since he bought the team... 1

I dont want to hear anything...cuban's teams have been chokers ... if it wasnt for that title last season they would still be known for not winning big games

give me a break

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:20 PM
The problem was the Nets were so hellbent on getting stars to be the face of the move to Brooklyn instead of building through the draft. They saw the Heat get LeBron and Bosh, the Knicks get Amar'e and Carmelo, the Lakers being the Lakers, the Bulls adding Carlos Boozer to the core they already had, and they panicked. They were thinking "we have to get established stars in here now" instead of building their team.

If the Nets dont trade for D-Will, they are sitting here with Harris, Brooks, Lopez, Favors, Kanter, and 3 lottery or close to lottery picks in an extremely deep draft. In year 2 in Brooklyn, they could have been looking at a very very good young team that was just going to continue to improve. Instead, they have Brooks, Lopez, and 2 picks.

Is D-Will absolutely leaving? No, of course not. But if he does, that team is in the hole even deeper than they were before he got there

I agree with you. The Russian wanted to make a splash and didnt want to wait. He was all about creating a turf war with the Knicks and he had to try and be the bigger team in the market. I think it was more of an ego thing then anything else. That in my honest opinion crippled the Nets franchise.

They really should have traded Deron once they knew they were missing out on Dwight. Why not clean out the fire sale in Portland once you know the chances of holding onto Deron are very unlikely because you failed to get him a superstar

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7sznvgn .
Plus you could have probably got picks as well depending on how badly they wanted to blow up the team. I dont see why you hold onto Deron and risk losing him for nothing.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:20 PM
Allen Iverson made the all star team when he was averaging something like 9 points on 40% shooting. Just because you make the all star team doesn't mean you are of that calibur. Juwan Howard was nowhere near an All Star player. Nash was an All Star but nothing more really with us. Finley was a good scorer and a borderline all star but even that was arguable. The only star he had was Dirk and once Nash and Finley left, he built a championship team.

juwan howard 18 and 7 thats all-star caliber

and seriously!!??!? he build a championship team right after???

it took him over 10 years to win a chip... and was notoriously known for not winning in the playoffs and being a choker... lets pipe it down

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:22 PM
I agree with you. The Russian wanted to make a splash and didnt want to wait. He was all about creating a turf war with the Knicks and he had to try and be the bigger team in the market. I think it was more of an ego thing then anything else. That in my honest opinion crippled the Nets franchise.

They really should have traded Deron once they knew they were missing out on Dwight. Why not clean out the fire sale in Portland once you know the chances of holding onto Deron are very unlikely because you failed to get him a superstar

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7sznvgn .
Plus you could have probably got picks as well depending on how badly they wanted to blow up the team. I dont see why you hold onto Deron and risk losing him for nothing.

dwill's not going anywhere

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:22 PM
THE TEAM HAD NASH AND DIRK .... are you really trying to act like he wasnt gift wrapped a perfect situation... and how many rings does he has since he bought the team... 1

I dont want to hear anything...cuban's teams have been chokers ... if it wasnt for that title last season they would still be known for not winning big games

give me a break

I gave you facts. Did Cuban know Dirk was going to be a beast in his rookie year? Nash was never a superstar as a Maverick. Finley was the closest thing he had to a superstar when he acquired the team. Wheres the 4th superstar you speak of?

Secondly I would like to add that Prok could have a hidden gem like Dirk but he traded away his team for Deron. Tried to do it again for Dwight and failed. Cuban immediately turned his team into a winner. Prokorhov looks like he will be in the bottom of the eastern conference for quite a few years especially if they cant retain Deron Williams.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:25 PM
dwill's not going anywhere

Just like Dwight was a lock to be a Net at the deadline. :rolleyes:

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 11:28 PM
Just like Dwight was a lock to be a Net at the deadline. :rolleyes:

Now you're definitely just trolling. Do you have nothing better to do?

oak2455
03-15-2012, 11:29 PM
the threads that keep going........wake me when its the playoffs( Mora's voice)

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:34 PM
I gave you facts. Did Cuban know Dirk was going to be a beast in his rookie year? Nash was never a superstar as a Maverick. Finley was the closest thing he had to a superstar when he acquired the team. Wheres the 4th superstar you speak of?

Secondly I would like to add that Prok could have a hidden gem like Dirk but he traded away his team for Deron. Tried to do it again for Dwight and failed. Cuban immediately turned his team into a winner. Prokorhov looks like he will be in the bottom of the eastern conference for quite a few years especially if they cant retain Deron Williams.

all I can do is :facepalm: at everything you said....

#1 did cuban draft dirk? no... he bought a team that happened to have a perrenial mvp caliber player in the making

#2 if dirk was never drafted to the mavs then cuban would probably be living the lottery life for a majority of the last decade

#3 lol @ you for trying to say the nets traded away a hidden gem... do you know what derrick favors will become? no ... do I know dwill is a top 3 pg in the league and a top 10 player? yes

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:35 PM
Just like Dwight was a lock to be a Net at the deadline. :rolleyes:

rather not have dwight than be stuck with 2 of the worst contracts in the nba and not even in the top 8 of the eastern conference

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:35 PM
Now you're definitely just trolling. Do you have nothing better to do?

Thats not trolling. Thats the truth. For weeks all i kept hearing was Dwight was a lock for NJ. Every Net fan with 100 percent certainty that it was going down. DoMeFavors and ChillWIll being the worst of them. Now it doesnt happen and a thread is started about what you would do in the Nets situation and the same Nets fans are being completely homerific and declaring that Deron will not leave NJ after his team failed to get him talent.

If you have nothing productive to add to the conversation then just spectate.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:38 PM
Thats not trolling. Thats the truth. For weeks all i kept hearing was Dwight was a lock for NJ. Every Net fan with 100 percent certainty that it was going down. DoMeFavors and ChillWIll being the worst of them. Now it doesnt happen and a thread is started about what you would do in the Nets situation and the same Nets fans are being completely homerific and declaring that Deron will not leave NJ after his team failed to get him talent.

If you have nothing productive to add to the conversation then just spectate.

and thats not the truth at all... most net fans actually thought he would make it through the season with the magic

JIDsanity
03-15-2012, 11:39 PM
Thats not trolling. Thats the truth. For weeks all i kept hearing was Dwight was a lock for NJ. Every Net fan with 100 percent certainty that it was going down. DoMeFavors and ChillWIll being the worst of them. Now it doesnt happen and a thread is started about what you would do in the Nets situation and the same Nets fans are being completely homerific and declaring that Deron will not leave NJ after his team failed to get him talent.

If you have nothing productive to add to the conversation then just spectate.

Are you not speculating as well? Or are you inside of Deron's head?

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:40 PM
all I can do is :facepalm: at everything you said....

#1 did cuban draft dirk? no... he bought a team that happened to have a perrenial mvp caliber player in the making

#2 if dirk was never drafted to the mavs then cuban would probably be living the lottery life for a majority of the last decade

#3 lol @ you for trying to say the nets traded away a hidden gem... do you know what derrick favors will become? no ... do I know dwill is a top 3 pg in the league and a top 10 player? yes


1. precisely the point - He thought he was getting a crappy team at a bargain price and he was going to make them competitive again.

2. You cant speculate like that because you dont know who would have picked what going into the next year. Perfect example is the Nets. They have sucked ever since Kidd left and they still havent got out of the sewer. Just because you get in the lottery doesnt mean your going to get good any faster.

3. The possibility does arise. We dont know the futures of the players they traded away because the went all in on Deron. Your certanties in this scenario is meaningless because the question that everyone was asking when the trade went down was and still is: Will Deron resign or leave. If he leaves your mortgaged your future for a rental. No one is questioning how good Deron is. Everyone is questioning whether hes going to stay or go.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:41 PM
and thats not the truth at all... most net fans actually thought he would make it through the season with the magic

sure lol.

sharqstealth
03-15-2012, 11:41 PM
The blueprint ad? Now I get it! Maybe Jay-Z and Prok will be suiting up for the Nets next season! lol!

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:42 PM
Are you not speculating as well? Or are you inside of Deron's head?

Productive meaning adding to the topic. Calling out people saying they are trolling isnt productive. You dont need to be in Derons head to know when Net fans are butthurt and want to derail a thread. Thanks.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:45 PM
The blueprint ad? Now I get it! Maybe Jay-Z and Prok will be suiting up for the Nets next season! lol!

Na I think they were foolish at the trade deadline. If they lose Deron for nothing the next excuse is going to be its for the best because now we can make Marshon Brooks a superstar. He needed the reps. :rolleyes:

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:45 PM
1. precisely the point - He thought he was getting a crappy team at a bargain price and he was going to make them competitive again.

2. You cant speculate like that because you dont know who would have picked what going into the next year. Perfect example is the Nets. They have sucked ever since Kidd left and they still havent got out of the sewer. Just because you get in the lottery doesnt mean your going to get good any faster.

3. The possibility does arise. We dont know the futures of the players they traded away because the went all in on Deron. Your certanties in this scenario is meaningless because the question that everyone was asking when the trade went down was and still is: Will Deron resign or leave. If he leaves your mortgaged your future for a rental. No one is questioning how good Deron is. Everyone is questioning whether hes going to stay or go.


thank for allowing me to win this argument while proving my point

looool

JIDsanity
03-15-2012, 11:51 PM
Productive meaning adding to the topic. Calling out people saying they are trolling isnt productive. You dont need to be in Derons head to know when Net fans are butthurt and want to derail a thread. Thanks.

You started a thread titled "The Blue Print of Success - NJ Nets," to mock the franchises saying "the blueprint for success," and then you went on to ask "Do you keep him and hope he stays and possibly lose him for nothing?" about the best player on the team, and followed that with
"Not really sure what the answer is here. Its just got to really suck that the BluePrint almost worked and it just got torched down the home stretch." On the same day that you knew most Net fans would be irritated due to a prior event.

And you really expected fans to be open, and give "productive," answers? (Whatever the hell that means)...

Baiting at its finest.

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 11:51 PM
Thats not trolling. Thats the truth. For weeks all i kept hearing was Dwight was a lock for NJ. Every Net fan with 100 percent certainty that it was going down. DoMeFavors and ChillWIll being the worst of them. Now it doesnt happen and a thread is started about what you would do in the Nets situation and the same Nets fans are being completely homerific and declaring that Deron will not leave NJ after his team failed to get him talent.

If you have nothing productive to add to the conversation then just spectate.

Wrong.

Whats the difference between homer Nets fans and homer Knicks fans like yourself? You know exactly why you started this thread. You guys(Knick fans) are always the first ones to start threads about the Nets when something negative happens. Grow up.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:52 PM
thank for allowing me to win this argument while proving my point

looool

So your going to argue that the right move to make was trading away all your future with the risk of a rental because it potentially could have got you Howard as well?

Contenders arent built on rolling the dice with such high stakes in hand. Thats what Isiah did to the Knicks. Took us forever to get out of that mess.

Its all hindsight at this point but as soon as Deron was acquired everyone asked if he was going to commit or not. They tried to get him a big fish and failed and now they risk losing him for nothing. Thats what happens when you roll the dice and miss. I personally dont think it was a good move trading away all that you did for the possibility of convincing Deron to stay in NJ. That will be the demise of the Nets if he feels no loyalty to the franchise that mortgaged their future for his services.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:52 PM
hes a knicks fan.... I will bet my left nut that we finish wth a better record than them and what does that say about the knicks blueprint for success lol

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:54 PM
You started a thread titled "The Blue Print of Success - NJ Nets," to mock the franchises saying "the blueprint for success," and then you went on to ask "Do you keep him and hope he stays and possibly lose him for nothing?" about the best player on the team, and followed that with
"Not really sure what the answer is here. Its just got to really suck that the BluePrint almost worked and it just got torched down the home stretch." On the same day that you knew most Net fans would be irritated due to a prior event.

And you really expected fans to be open, and give "productive," answers? (Whatever the hell that means)...

Baiting at its finest.

You dont have to participate in the thread if you dont want too. There were plenty of people giving good responses on the first couple pages. Wasnt the BluePrint of Success what you guys labeled the last 2 seasons? Was their another name I should have used? Did I say something out of line in my opening post? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

jmoney85
03-15-2012, 11:54 PM
So your going to argue that the right move to make was trading away all your future with the risk of a rental because it potentially could have got you Howard as well?

Contenders arent built on rolling the dice with such high stakes in hand. Thats what Isiah did to the Knicks. Took us forever to get out of that mess.

Its all hindsight at this point but as soon as Deron was acquired everyone asked if he was going to commit or not. They tried to get him a big fish and failed and now they risk losing him for nothing. Thats what happens when you roll the dice and miss. I personally dont think it was a good move trading away all that you did for the possibility of convincing Deron to stay in NJ. That will be the demise of the Nets if he feels no loyalty to the franchise that mortgaged their future for his services.

WHAT FUTURE??? for all we know everything we traded to utah could be a bust... nothing in this league is guaranteed

and it took you forever to get out of that mess? well guess what ... when I got nba.com/standings it sure looks to me that you're still in a mess... go worry about your team and stop baiting ours

Netslunatic76
03-15-2012, 11:55 PM
So your going to argue that the right move to make was trading away all your future with the risk of a rental because it potentially could have got you Howard as well?

Contenders arent built on rolling the dice with such high stakes in hand. Thats what Isiah did to the Knicks. Took us forever to get out of that mess.

Its all hindsight at this point but as soon as Deron was acquired everyone asked if he was going to commit or not. They tried to get him a big fish and failed and now they risk losing him for nothing. Thats what happens when you roll the dice and miss. I personally dont think it was a good move trading away all that you did for the possibility of convincing Deron to stay in NJ. That will be the demise of the Nets if he feels no loyalty to the franchise that mortgaged their future for his services.

Didn't the Knicks do that last year to get Melo?

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:57 PM
Wrong.

Whats the difference between homer Nets fans and homer Knicks fans like yourself? You know exactly why you started this thread. You guys(Knick fans) are always the first ones to start threads about the Nets when something negative happens. Grow up.

Nope your wrong. I am not going to respond to you any further because haters just want to derail threads on the NBA forums. Last post to your direction is this:

I made a thread about the events that occured at the deadline in regards to the Nets. If you dont like the content or the title you dont need to participate in the thread.

Maybe Gerald Wallace will be the Dwight Howard you guys needed but I highly doubt it.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:58 PM
Didn't the Knicks do that last year to get Melo?

Nope he signed longterm with us. He wasnt a rental in the slightest.

JIDsanity
03-15-2012, 11:58 PM
You dont have to participate in the thread if you dont want too. There were plenty of people giving good responses on the first couple pages. Wasnt the BluePrint of Success what you guys labeled the last 2 seasons? Was their another name I should have used? Did I say something out of line in my opening post? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

I want to participate, lets see where this goes.

Yes the blueprint for success, began last season, so counting this season that would make it two. You said nothing out of line, just the everyday baiting that I'm sure you partake in. Pretty straight forward to me as well.

latinofire21
03-15-2012, 11:59 PM
WHAT FUTURE??? for all we know everything we traded to utah could be a bust... nothing in this league is guaranteed

and it took you forever to get out of that mess? well guess what ... when I got nba.com/standings it sure looks to me that you're still in a mess... go worry about your team and stop baiting ours

It isnt baiting. If you dont like the topic you can leave the thread. My team is just fine where it is. We are still in playoff contention and its a whole new beast once you get in the playoffs. Stop going off topic thanks.

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 12:00 AM
Nope he signed longterm with us. He wasnt a rental in the slightest.

Yup and Dwight already said he wanted to play for the Nets, which means he would have signed an extension as well.

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 12:01 AM
Nope your wrong. I am not going to respond to you any further because haters just want to derail threads on the NBA forums. Last post to your direction is this:

I made a thread about the events that occured at the deadline in regards to the Nets. If you dont like the content or the title you dont need to participate in the thread.

Maybe Gerald Wallace will be the Dwight Howard you guys needed but I highly doubt it.

I'm the hater? :laugh: Thanks for playing.

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 12:02 AM
If everyone that responds says that you're trolling/baiting, that's probably the case.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 12:02 AM
I want to participate, lets see where this goes.

Yes the blueprint for success, began last season, so counting this season that would make it two. You said nothing out of line, just the everyday baiting that I'm sure you partake in. Pretty straight forward to me as well.

Are you a net fan? Can you tell me what you would have done the night of the Deron trade? Do you wish you would have made him commit before the trade? Would you still do it the way it all unfolded with no regrets?

I see a lot of defensive people here but no one really giving their opinion on the situation. Trading away the farm for the hope a guy will stay with you is a recipe for disaster. I think there should have been some sort of commitment to give away what they did for him.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 12:07 AM
hes a knicks fan.... I will bet my left nut that we finish wth a better record than them and what does that say about the knicks blueprint for success lol

sig bet?

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 12:09 AM
juwan howard 18 and 7 thats all-star caliber

and seriously!!??!? he build a championship team right after???

it took him over 10 years to win a chip... and was notoriously known for not winning in the playoffs and being a choker... lets pipe it down

I would say trading for Jason Kidd 3 or 4 years while Harris had his highest value is a very smart move. Floor leader and elite PG, check.

Trading JERRY STACKHOUSE for Shawn Marion who even though his offensive skills have slipped, he has still always been a defensive stud. Lockdown defender who can guard any elite 1, 2 or 3, check.

Trading Josh Howard and garbage for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood, and DeShawn Stevenson. Butler got hurt. Haywood is a 7-footer with solid defense and rebounding who would turn out to be the BACKUP. DeShawn Stevenson was the most important part of the deal. He was a really good defender who hit many threes and his defense was elite in the playoffs and played a huge part in us winning. Legit backup 7 footer and another really solid wing defender, check.

Signs Tyson Chandler after failing on James, Wade, Bosh, Amare, etc... Oh Chandler sucks so much! He turns out to be the missing piece to a championship. Averages basically a double double and had a very serious case for DPOY. Top 5 center, check.

Signs Peja Stojakovic mid season and he turns out to be a huge part to the team. Top notch 3 point shooter who stretches the floor, check.


The only thing you can blast Cuban for is for signing Erick Dampier to his contract and drafting. We have been terrible drafters. However, he still was able to land Josh Howard with the 27th overall pick eariler in he decade and got an 18 ppg scorer with solid defense and rebounding for 4-5 years.


Mark Cuban built this championship team by putting the right players around Dirk and we won a championship as a result.

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 12:10 AM
Again I really dont know how to respond to you other then did you take your medication today?

Your comparing Melo to Dwight when you should be comparing Melo to DWill.

Melo signed with the knicks during the trade long term. Dwill got traded with the hope to retain him when his contract is up.

Comparing Melo to Dwight is even more foolish because A) It was all speculation whether Dwight was going to sign with the Nets or not. B) If he made those commitments why isnt he in NJ right now?

I believe another thread was made about him losing endorsement deals if his team failed to reach the playoffs. I think if that was the reason why he didnt join them he wont join them when hes a free agent next season either. No faith in them with the current cast they have.

Dude, you're trying to talk in circles, but that **** isn't working. Neither are those weak insults.

Not every player traded to a team is going to sign an extension. The Nets traded for D-Will knowing they had him for at least a year and a half. Of course they want to keep him, but if he doesn't stay, they had a ton of cap space.

Dwight said numerous times he wanted to play for the Nets and play with D-Will. That's why the Nets were one of the teams allowed to speak with his agents. No one truly knows why he signed that one year option to stay with the Magic. It's all speculation.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 12:12 AM
Hey PSD Community I am interested in hearing your opinions on this:

New Jersey pulled off a great trade for Deron Williams. It was a high risk deal hoping they could pair Deron with Dwight this summer. They rolled the dice and played hardball with the best of them. Dwight screwed them big time changing his mind in the final hours of the trade deadline.

With Dwight extending with the Magic is there really a reason for Deron to stay? If your Nets management do you ship him for young talent and risk going broke in the new arena having no marketable player to sell to your fanbase in brooklyn? Do you keep him and hope he stays and possibly lose him for nothing?

Not really sure what the answer is here. Its just got to really suck that the BluePrint almost worked and it just got torched down the home stretch.

ESPN is reporting that they are trying to surround Deron with talent before the Trade Deadline is up. I dont see any scenario that Deron stays without having Dwight here.

What are your thoughts on the Blue Print of Success?

Yes the Deron trade was awesome, however Dwight did not screw anyone. The Nets screwed their-selves.

Deron has a few reasons to stay. For starters money. Not just from his contract with the Nets, but endorsements as well which will make a significant difference. He has also developed a relationship with the team, no different than the one which persuaded Howard to opt in on the final year of his deal. The Nets however in either case will not go broke, in case you didn't know Mikhail Prokhorov doesn't have that problem. They have already decided to keep Deron, no need to ask. That's a fact

Yes it does "suck" that the Nets could not obtain Howard, but tomorrows another day. New opportunities will arise. Last time I checked Dwight has 0 rings, and the only "super-team" to win one has been the Celtics.

My thoughts on the Blueprint "FOR" success. Its not over, the Nets will continue to look ahead with or without Deron. Fact.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 12:13 AM
Dude, you're trying to talk in circles, but that **** isn't working. Neither are those weak insults.

Not every player traded to a team is going to sign an extension. The Nets traded for D-Will knowing they had him for at least a year and a half. Of course they want to keep him, but if he doesn't stay, they had a ton of cap space.

Dwight said numerous times he wanted to play for the Nets and play with D-Will. That's why the Nets were one of the teams allowed to speak with his agents. No one truly knows why he signed that one year option to stay with the Magic. It's all speculation.

So I am guessing your apart of the select few who arent upset with the Nets management for trading all those first round picks, Favors, Harris, and whatever else they gave away for a year and a half of a superstar on your roster? Seems to me giving away all that for cap space next season doesnt seem to logical.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 12:14 AM
Are you a net fan? Can you tell me what you would have done the night of the Deron trade? Do you wish you would have made him commit before the trade? Would you still do it the way it all unfolded with no regrets?

I see a lot of defensive people here but no one really giving their opinion on the situation. Trading away the farm for the hope a guy will stay with you is a recipe for disaster. I think there should have been some sort of commitment to give away what they did for him.

Yes it is a recipe for disaster, but the world does not revolve around Deron Williams.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 12:15 AM
I would say trading for Jason Kidd 3 or 4 years while Harris had his highest value is a very smart move. Floor leader and elite PG, check.

Trading JERRY STACKHOUSE for Shawn Marion who even though his offensive skills have slipped, he has still always been a defensive stud. Lockdown defender who can guard any elite 1, 2 or 3, check.

Trading Josh Howard and garbage for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood, and DeShawn Stevenson. Butler got hurt. Haywood is a 7-footer with solid defense and rebounding who would turn out to be the BACKUP. DeShawn Stevenson was the most important part of the deal. He was a really good defender who hit many threes and his defense was elite in the playoffs and played a huge part in us winning. Legit backup 7 footer and another really solid wing defender, check.

Signs Tyson Chandler after failing on James, Wade, Bosh, Amare, etc... Oh Chandler sucks so much! He turns out to be the missing piece to a championship. Averages basically a double double and had a very serious case for DPOY. Top 5 center, check.

Signs Peja Stojakovic mid season and he turns out to be a huge part to the team. Top notch 3 point shooter who stretches the floor, check.


The only thing you can blast Cuban for is for signing Erick Dampier to his contract and drafting. We have been terrible drafters. However, he still was able to land Josh Howard with the 27th overall pick eariler in he decade and got an 18 ppg scorer with solid defense and rebounding for 4-5 years.


Mark Cuban built this championship team by putting the right players around Dirk and we won a championship as a result.

1 chip in over a decade... if you replayed that series 10 times the heat would win 9 of them... dont go acting like cuban is some god... you wont win another one anytime soon...


and also.. kidd was not elite status when you traded for him.. he was clearly on the downhill

prepare for a 1st round exit this season

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 12:17 AM
So I am guessing your apart of the select few who arent upset with the Nets management for trading all those first round picks, Favors, Harris, and whatever else they gave away for a year and a half of a superstar on your roster? Seems to me giving away all that for cap space next season doesnt seem to logical.

you keep talking like dwill is gone.... keep dreaming of that 8 seed

PurpleJesus
03-16-2012, 12:17 AM
Hey PSD Community I am interested in hearing your opinions on this:

New Jersey pulled off a great trade for Deron Williams. It was a high risk deal hoping they could pair Deron with Dwight this summer. They rolled the dice and played hardball with the best of them. Dwight screwed them big time changing his mind in the final hours of the trade deadline.

With Dwight extending with the Magic is there really a reason for Deron to stay? If your Nets management do you ship him for young talent and risk going broke in the new arena having no marketable player to sell to your fanbase in brooklyn? Do you keep him and hope he stays and possibly lose him for nothing?

Not really sure what the answer is here. Its just got to really suck that the BluePrint almost worked and it just got torched down the home stretch.

ESPN is reporting that they are trying to surround Deron with talent before the Trade Deadline is up. I dont see any scenario that Deron stays without having Dwight here.

What are your thoughts on the Blue Print of Success?

How did he screw over a team that he does not play for?

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Yes the Deron trade was awesome, however Dwight did not screw anyone. The Nets screwed their-selves.

Deron has a few reasons to stay. For starters money. Not just from his contract with the Nets, but endorsements as well which will make a significant difference. He has also developed a relationship with the team, no different than the one which persuaded Howard to opt in on the final year of his deal. The Nets however in either case will not go broke, in case you didn't know Mikhail Prokhorov doesn't have that problem. They have already decided to keep Deron, no need to ask. That's a fact

Yes I does "suck" that the Nets could not obtain Howard, but tomorrows another day. New opportunities will arise. Last time I checked Dwight has 0 rings, and the only "super-team" to win one has been the Celtics.

My thoughts on the Blueprint "FOR" success. Its not over, the Nets will continue to look ahead with or without Deron. Fact.

Very good Post. Wish your Net poster friends would take a page out of your book.

Now to play devils advocate with what you said. You dont think he can get the same endorsements playing for a more relevant team like the Mavericks? Someone posted the endorsements theory in the Knicks forum a couple weeks back and made a couple very good points. In the age we have of technology you dont have to be in a specific location to acquire endorsement deals when your at superstar stature. The location theory works more with midlevel players and lesser known individuals in the NBA.

Deron is a top pg in the league. I am pretty sure with the endorsements hes getting mostly by products that are sold nation wide that the New York location isnt going to make it all that much better for him.

I still think Dwight screwed them because he waited until the last minute to make his intentions known. If he really wanted to be in NJ he would have at least given the Nets some notice that its not happening this season so they can improve his team for his arrival possibly in the future. The way this all unfolded seems to me like a bratty child who doesnt know what he wants and Mommy had to tell him how its going to go down.

Stephen A Smith said it best when he said opting in to the contract made no sense. He lost 22 million dollars making that move. He took less money to be on a team that he was advocating to leave for the whole season. In that sense he really screwed the Nets. Using that logic I dont think he wants to really join the Nets in brooklyn because if that was his true destination this whole time he would have given them ample opportunity to improve their roster if he decided he wasnt coming to NJ midseason.

Also didnt Deron complain saying he had a bunch of bench warmers on his team and they needed real starters? Maybe that was fabricated but I remember reading that somewhere on here. Do you think his relationships with a team he wants to flip so vigourously will keep him in NJ if the roster isnt made more competitive?

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 12:25 AM
How did he screw over a team that he does not play for?

I just touched on that part of my thinking in the post right above this one.

PurpleJesus
03-16-2012, 12:33 AM
I just touched on that part of my thinking in the post right above this one.

no, Dwight didnt screw the Nets over. If you think that, then I guess he screwed over all the teams in the league too.The only team he can screw over, is Orlando if he leaves, or forces his way out.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 12:41 AM
Very good Post. Wish your Net poster friends would take a page out of your book.

Now to play devils advocate with what you said. You dont think he can get the same endorsements playing for a more relevant team like the Mavericks? Someone posted the endorsements theory in the Knicks forum a couple weeks back and made a couple very good points. In the age we have of technology you dont have to be in a specific location to acquire endorsement deals when your at superstar stature. The location theory works more with midlevel players and lesser known individuals in the NBA.

Deron is a top pg in the league. I am pretty sure with the endorsements hes getting mostly by products that are sold nation wide that the New York location isnt going to make it all that much better for him.

I still think Dwight screwed them because he waited until the last minute to make his intentions known. If he really wanted to be in NJ he would have at least given the Nets some notice that its not happening this season so they can improve his team for his arrival possibly in the future. The way this all unfolded seems to me like a bratty child who doesnt know what he wants and Mommy had to tell him how its going to go down.

Stephen A Smith said it best when he said opting in to the contract made no sense. He lost 22 million dollars making that move. He took less money to be on a team that he was advocating to leave for the whole season. In that sense he really screwed the Nets. Using that logic I dont think he wants to really join the Nets in brooklyn because if that was his true destination this whole time he would have given them ample opportunity to improve their roster if he decided he wasnt coming to NJ midseason.

Also didnt Deron complain saying he had a bunch of bench warmers on his team and they needed real starters? Maybe that was fabricated but I remember reading that somewhere on here. Do you think his relationships with a team he wants to flip so vigourously will keep him in NJ if the roster isnt made more competitive?

Deron was just gushing over the fact he is getting endorsements right now, that he would have never gotten before two days ago. And here is the article of Deron unhappy with the roster http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/12/28/deron.williams.sort.disses.his.teammates.there.s.n ot.many.starters.our.team.right

He was clearly not happy with the play of the team at the time, and voiced his dissatisfaction, by stating the roster did not have many quality starting options. There is a difference, and I'm sure he does not have much to say on that not with Wallace here, Humphries playing consistently, and Lopez returning next week.

We do agree on one thing though. Dwight Howard is weak. He showed that today. I personally would not want any part of him.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 12:43 AM
Very good Post. Wish your Net poster friends would take a page out of your book.

Now to play devils advocate with what you said. You dont think he can get the same endorsements playing for a more relevant team like the Mavericks? Someone posted the endorsements theory in the Knicks forum a couple weeks back and made a couple very good points. In the age we have of technology you dont have to be in a specific location to acquire endorsement deals when your at superstar stature. The location theory works more with midlevel players and lesser known individuals in the NBA.

Deron is a top pg in the league. I am pretty sure with the endorsements hes getting mostly by products that are sold nation wide that the New York location isnt going to make it all that much better for him.

I still think Dwight screwed them because he waited until the last minute to make his intentions known. If he really wanted to be in NJ he would have at least given the Nets some notice that its not happening this season so they can improve his team for his arrival possibly in the future. The way this all unfolded seems to me like a bratty child who doesnt know what he wants and Mommy had to tell him how its going to go down.

Stephen A Smith said it best when he said opting in to the contract made no sense. He lost 22 million dollars making that move. He took less money to be on a team that he was advocating to leave for the whole season. In that sense he really screwed the Nets. Using that logic I dont think he wants to really join the Nets in brooklyn because if that was his true destination this whole time he would have given them ample opportunity to improve their roster if he decided he wasnt coming to NJ midseason.

Also didnt Deron complain saying he had a bunch of bench warmers on his team and they needed real starters? Maybe that was fabricated but I remember reading that somewhere on here. Do you think his relationships with a team he wants to flip so vigourously will keep him in NJ if the roster isnt made more competitive?

And don't take shots at my team, because I will fire you up. Win a playoff game, then talk trash.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 12:48 AM
1 chip in over a decade... if you replayed that series 10 times the heat would win 9 of them... dont go acting like cuban is some god... you wont win another one anytime soon...


and also.. kidd was not elite status when you traded for him.. he was clearly on the downhill

prepare for a 1st round exit this season

Oh here we go. Mavs getting no respect for beating Miami. Miami was clearly better...

Kidd was elite in terms of point guard play. You want your point guard to run the offense, average high assists and have an IQ. He was A+ in all of those.

So if we land Deron Williams and solid pieces we won't have a chance at winning a title?

Give Cuban and Dallas credit. If we played Miami 10 times in a series with the exact Finals teams, we would win 6 or 7 of those series. We were 6-2 against Miami last season yet somehow most people feel like Miami was 6-0 against us...

SportsAndrew25
03-16-2012, 12:50 AM
I do not think blowing up your team for a guy who could leave by the end of this season is the "blueprint of success".

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 12:50 AM
Oh here we go. Mavs getting no respect for beating Miami. Miami was clearly better...

Kidd was elite in terms of point guard play. You want your point guard to run the offense, average high assists and have an IQ. He was A+ in all of those.

So if we land Deron Williams and solid pieces we won't have a chance at winning a title?

Give Cuban and Dallas credit. If we played Miami 10 times in a series with the exact Finals teams, we would win 6 or 7 of those series. We were 6-2 against Miami last season yet somehow most people feel like Miami was 6-0 against us...

keep dreaming for dwill

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 12:52 AM
keep dreaming for dwill

Keep dreaming on making the playoffs in the next 10 years...

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 12:54 AM
Keep dreaming on making the playoffs in the next 10 years...

Nets are 4 games out

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 12:57 AM
Nets are 4 games out

Yes and Kris Humphries is arguably their 2nd best player this season. Gerald Green has been their best player for the past week. It doesn't look good for them...

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 12:59 AM
Yes and Kris Humphries is arguably their 2nd best player this season. Gerald Green has been their best player for the past week. It doesn't look good for them...

Gerald Wallace is their 2nd best player. Keep up.

Who's the Mavs 2nd best though? Jason Terry?

D1JM
03-16-2012, 01:00 AM
if dwight had committed to them before than it would be tampering.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:01 AM
didnt we beat dallas a few weeks ago? yuppp

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:03 AM
Gerald Wallace is their 2nd best player. Keep up.

Who's the Mavs 2nd best though? Jason Terry?

Notice how I said this season, meaning all the games they've played. Wallace has played 0 games with them.

Yeah Jason Terry is our second best player. We're also taking this season off to try to get Deron Williams. And still we have a much better record than the Nets.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:04 AM
didnt we beat dallas a few weeks ago? yuppp

Yep. Remember Lopez dropped 38. I do. http://www.nba.com/games/20120228/NJNDAL/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:05 AM
didnt we beat dallas a few weeks ago? yuppp

Congratulations. Maybe you guys can reach 20 wins this year? It would be a huge accomplishment.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:06 AM
Notice how I said this season, meaning all the games they've played. Wallace has played 0 games with them.

Yeah Jason Terry is our second best player. We're also taking this season off to try to get Deron Williams. And still we have a much better record than the Nets.

So Deron Williams, DA "Jet", Marion, Drik, and Mahinmi= title talk...

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:07 AM
Good lord, I knew a lot of Knicks fans were cocky and arrogant but I didn't know New Jersey fans, an even worse team, were that way too...

PurpleJesus
03-16-2012, 01:09 AM
So Deron Williams, DA "Jet", Marion, Drik, and Mahinmi= title talk...

yes, the defending champs have the right to title talk.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:10 AM
Good lord, I knew a lot of Knicks fans were cocky and arrogant but I didn't know New Jersey fans, an even worse team, were that way too...

Your the only Dallas fan posting in a predominantly Nets and Knicks thread, and you say this...

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:10 AM
So Deron Williams, DA "Jet", Marion, Drik, and Mahinmi= title talk...

Yeah, a team with the best closer in the game, a top 3 point guard, one of the best 4th quarter players, and a top 3 defender as a core is in no way a contender...

But Gerald Wallace, Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks are four hall of famers.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:10 AM
yes, the defending champs have the right to title talk.

Ok

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:13 AM
Yeah, a team with the best closer in the game, a top 3 point guard, one of the best 4th quarter players, and a top 3 defender as a core is in no way a contender...

But Gerald Wallace, Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks are four hall of famers.

No they are far from it. However what you are implying is that Deron Williams is a lock to go to your team, and with him they are contenders. I did nothing but list your projected roster.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:14 AM
Yeah, a team with the best closer in the game, a top 3 point guard, one of the best 4th quarter players, and a top 3 defender as a core is in no way a contender...

But Gerald Wallace, Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks are four hall of famers.

best closer in the game??? ROFL????

if your squad was that good you wouldnt be a fringe playoff team

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:14 AM
Your the only Dallas fan posting in a predominantly Nets and Knicks thread, and you say this...

Knicks fans, well we've heard all that for 3 or 4 months now. No need to explain.

All the talk about Dwight coming to New Jersey guaranteed for the past month and how they were gonna be a dynasty, etc... My god. I know the Nets were contenders about 7 or 8 years ago but ever since then they've been irrelevant.

Please do something before becoming this cocky...

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:16 AM
And don't take shots at my team, because I will fire you up. Win a playoff game, then talk trash.

How is that taking a shot at your team? Mavericks are the defending champions. No need to start doing what your other net buddies were doing.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:17 AM
best closer in the game??? ROFL????

if your squad was that good you wouldnt be a fringe playoff team

Yeah, I think a guy who scored 62 points in the 4th quarter in the Finals which included two game winning shots is the best closer in the game. Let's not forget about the loads of game winners he has hit in his career in the regular season.

Please tell me how saying Dirk is the best closer in the game is laughable.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:18 AM
Knicks fans, well we've heard all that for 3 or 4 months now. No need to explain.

All the talk about Dwight coming to New Jersey guaranteed for the past month and how they were gonna be a dynasty, etc... My god. I know the Nets were contenders about 7 or 8 years ago but ever since then they've been irrelevant.

Please do something before becoming this cocky...

I personally can not do anything, as I am just a fan; However I do care that you elaborate on your stance behind the Knick fanbase.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:20 AM
Yeah, I think a guy who scored 62 points in the 4th quarter in the Finals which included two game winning shots is the best closer in the game. Let's not forget about the loads of game winners he has hit in his career in the regular season.

Please tell me how saying Dirk is the best closer in the game is laughable.

did kobe retire or something?

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:20 AM
I personally can not do anything, as I am just a fan; However I do care that you elaborate on your stance behind the Knick fanbase.

Look this isn't even about the Knicks. I don't know why I even brought it up.

I'm getting laughed at for saying Dirk is the best closer in the game. The Mavs are the defending champions yet still get no respect... Yet this season many people from fanbases such as the Knicks and Nets are bragging like they are the top dogs in the NBA. It gets really annoying and sickening.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:22 AM
I understand your team won a title...congrats seriously... but we are on a new season now and your team is currently trash... I never said the nets were good but the mavs arent that much better

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:22 AM
I personally can not do anything, as I am just a fan; However I do care that you elaborate on your stance behind the Knick fanbase.

LOL you guys love to get off topic. It isnt about the Knicks. Then you all complain about Knick threads when you guys bring them up more then actual Knick fans in this forum lol.

Cudi is right though. The mavericks are the better team. Dirk is a solid closer. The nets have been irrelevant for almost a decade now. My honest opinion is that unless the Nets find a solid plan b to pair him with hes headed to Dallas to play with Dirk.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:23 AM
did kobe retire or something?

Kobe is so overrated as a closer.... The shots he has hit to win games are unbelievable and are so clutch. If you look at all of his shots in crunch time over the years, you will see that he bricks a ton of them. He is a top 5 closer in the game. Dirk is #1. That's laughable though, right?

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:23 AM
LOL when have nets fans ever "bragged like they are top dogs"... most net fans are humble... but sometimes I have to give other fan bases a reality check

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:24 AM
I understand your team won a title...congrats seriously... but we are on a new season now and your team is currently trash... I never said the nets were good but the mavs arent that much better

Sure. We suck right now. But you can't honestly think that if you compare GM's, star players, the past 5-6 years, players that New Jersey is even close to Dallas.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:25 AM
Look this isn't even about the Knicks. I don't know why I even brought it up.

I'm getting laughed at for saying Dirk is the best closer in the game. The Mavs are the defending champions yet still get no respect... Yet this season many people from fanbases such as the Knicks and Nets are bragging like they are the top dogs in the NBA. It gets really annoying and sickening.

You brought up the Knicks. I don't mind that you think Dirk is the best closer. Your entitled to your own opinion. I actually agree with that. Its between him Kobe, and, Carmelo for now.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:26 AM
LOL when have nets fans ever "bragged like they are top dogs"... most net fans are humble... but sometimes I have to give other fan bases a reality check

Your giving no one a reality check. Everything you have said in this thread has been completely fictional and ridiculous.

I am still stuck on you saying Cuban acquired a Mavericks team with 4 superstars lmao.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:26 AM
LOL you guys love to get off topic. It isnt about the Knicks. Then you all complain about Knick threads when you guys bring them up more then actual Knick fans in this forum lol.

Cudi is right though. The mavericks are the better team. Dirk is a solid closer. The nets have been irrelevant for almost a decade now. My honest opinion is that unless the Nets find a solid plan b to pair him with hes headed to Dallas to play with Dirk.

since when did 5 years become a decade?

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:27 AM
since when did 5 years become a decade?

WHat did they do 5 years ago?

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:27 AM
Your giving no one a reality check. Everything you have said in this thread has been completely fictional and ridiculous.

I am still stuck on you saying Cuban acquired a Mavericks team with 4 superstars lmao.

when did I ever say cuban acquired a team with 4 SUPERSTARS

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:27 AM
LOL you guys love to get off topic. It isnt about the Knicks. Then you all complain about Knick threads when you guys bring them up more then actual Knick fans in this forum lol.

Cudi is right though. The mavericks are the better team. Dirk is a solid closer. The nets have been irrelevant for almost a decade now. My honest opinion is that unless the Nets find a solid plan b to pair him with hes headed to Dallas to play with Dirk.

Isn't this off topic as well?

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:27 AM
LOL when have nets fans ever "bragged like they are top dogs"... most net fans are humble... but sometimes I have to give other fan bases a reality check

I'm not singling you out. I'm not saying you are one of them. I remember a lot of Nets fans laughing at us Dallas fans for saying we were gonna get Deron. The same fans would then say Dwight is a lock and Deron doesn't wanna play with Dirk who sucks, etc...

Now Dwight is staying in Orlando and the odds that Deron Williams leaves are very high. He has constantly had Dallas and New Jersey as his two teams. He wants to play with Dwight and he wants to come home. Cuban will get talent around Deron/Dirk if he came here. I think that Deron to Dallas is a HUGE possibility. I want a lot of Nets fans to realize that.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:28 AM
WHat did they do 5 years ago?

win the atlantic divsion

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:28 AM
WHat did they do 5 years ago?

Playoffs

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:32 AM
Isn't this off topic as well?

No that definitely isnt off topic. The team linked most to Deron leaving is the Mavericks not the Knicks. Talking about Dirks accomplishments helps the arguement of why Deron will leave NJ for Dallas.

No one needs to take shots at the Nets. They havent done anything in recent memory to warrant taking jabs at them. The comment you made about win a playoff game was over the top and uncalled for but at least the Knicks will be in the playoffs this year. Cant say the same about Deron and the teammates he has no trust in.

This thread is pretty much done. Ill prob just ask a mod to close it and I will remake it when the Nets fans dont have their panties in a bunch.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:32 AM
I'm not singling you out. I'm not saying you are one of them. I remember a lot of Nets fans laughing at us Dallas fans for saying we were gonna get Deron. The same fans would then say Dwight is a lock and Deron doesn't wanna play with Dirk who sucks, etc...

Now Dwight is staying in Orlando and the odds that Deron Williams leaves are very high. He has constantly had Dallas and New Jersey as his two teams. He wants to play with Dwight and he wants to come home. Cuban will get talent around Deron/Dirk if he came here. I think that Deron to Dallas is a HUGE possibility. I want a lot of Nets fans to realize that.

him re-signing or exercising his 1 year option is much more of a possibility

deron saying 90% that he re-signs

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:34 AM
No that definitely isnt off topic. The team linked most to Deron leaving is the Mavericks not the Knicks. Talking about Dirks accomplishments helps the arguement of why Deron will leave NJ for Dallas.

No one needs to take shots at the Nets. They havent done anything in recent memory to warrant taking jabs at them. The comment you made about win a playoff game was over the top and uncalled for but at least the Knicks will be in the playoffs this year. Cant say the same about Deron and the teammates he has no trust in.

This thread is pretty much done. Ill prob just ask a mod to close it and I will remake it when the Nets fans dont have their panties in a bunch.

last time I checked you arent in the top 8... news to me

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:34 AM
Playoffs

Who were the champions 5 years ago? I dont even remember how the playoffs played out 5 years ago lol. What I do know is that if the Nets dont upgrade that Roster Deron is coming home to Dallas. Before you comment on a piece of this post let me remind you Gerald Wallace is not the answer.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:35 AM
No that definitely isnt off topic. The team linked most to Deron leaving is the Mavericks not the Knicks. Talking about Dirks accomplishments helps the arguement of why Deron will leave NJ for Dallas.

No one needs to take shots at the Nets. They havent done anything in recent memory to warrant taking jabs at them. The comment you made about win a playoff game was over the top and uncalled for but at least the Knicks will be in the playoffs this year. Cant say the same about Deron and the teammates he has no trust in.

This thread is pretty much done. Ill prob just ask a mod to close it and I will remake it when the Nets fans dont have their panties in a bunch.

As of right now the Knicks are out of the playoffs though. They are challenging the Nets and the Bucks for the 8th seed, no?

CudiOnMyiPod
03-16-2012, 01:35 AM
him re-signing or exercising his 1 year option is much more of a possibility

deron saying 90% that he re-signs

You should know that anything an athlete says is 100% BS until it actually happens.

Anyways, I'm done arguing lol. I'm tired as F.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:35 AM
him re-signing or exercising his 1 year option is much more of a possibility

deron saying 90% that he re-signs

Didnt he say that when the Nets were still in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes. I would like to hear him say that now that he knows Superman isnt coming to town.

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:36 AM
Who were the champions 5 years ago? I dont even remember how the playoffs played out 5 years ago lol. What I do know is that if the Nets dont upgrade that Roster Deron is coming home to Dallas. Before you comment on a piece of this post let me remind you Gerald Wallace is not the answer.

San Antonio
But if you know this, then why did you start this thread?

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 01:37 AM
No that definitely isnt off topic. The team linked most to Deron leaving is the Mavericks not the Knicks. Talking about Dirks accomplishments helps the arguement of why Deron will leave NJ for Dallas.

No one needs to take shots at the Nets. They havent done anything in recent memory to warrant taking jabs at them. The comment you made about win a playoff game was over the top and uncalled for but at least the Knicks will be in the playoffs this year. Cant say the same about Deron and the teammates he has no trust in.

This thread is pretty much done. Ill prob just ask a mod to close it and I will remake it when the Nets fans dont have their panties in a bunch.

Neither has you're team, but you guys act like you have.

You sure about that?

Don't bother unless you are willing to accept the responses you get.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:38 AM
As of right now the Knicks are out of the playoffs though. They are challenging the Nets and the Bucks for the 8th seed, no?

They are challenging the Bucks who destroyed their roster trading for Ellis and the Cavs. The nets arent in the picture. If you honestly believe the Nets are making the playoffs this year then this conversation is over.

This is the last post I am answering that is off topic. Ill just report all further posts as being off topic. Tired of the Nets fans derailing threads. Talk about the Deron situation or gtfo. Simple.

You want to talk about other topics make a thread about it.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:39 AM
San Antonio
But if you know this, then why did you start this thread?

Dallas and San Antonio are both in texas right smartass?

Blazers#1Fan
03-16-2012, 01:39 AM
thanks for the 1st NJ

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:40 AM
They are challenging the Bucks who destroyed their roster trading for Ellis and the Cavs. The nets arent in the picture. If you honestly believe the Nets are making the playoffs this year then this conversation is over.

This is the last post I am answering that is off topic. Ill just report all further posts as being off topic. Tired of the Nets fans derailing threads. Talk about the Deron situation or gtfo. Simple.

You want to talk about other topics make a thread about it.

OK Captain :offtopic:

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:40 AM
Dallas and San Antonio are both in texas right smartass?

Yes

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 01:40 AM
They are challenging the Bucks who destroyed their roster trading for Ellis and the Cavs. The nets arent in the picture. If you honestly believe the Nets are making the playoffs this year then this conversation is over.

This is the last post I am answering that is off topic. Ill just report all further posts as being off topic. Tired of the Nets fans derailing threads. Talk about the Deron situation or gtfo. Simple.

You want to talk about other topics make a thread about it.

:laugh:

Are you serious?

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:42 AM
so trading bogut (whos always hurt) and stephen jackson who never plays goes under "destroying" the roster ? lol

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:42 AM
Neither has you're team, but you guys act like you have.

You sure about that?

Don't bother unless you are willing to accept the responses you get.

My team was in the playoffs last year. We have done more then the Nets franchise. I am willing to accept the responses when they are on topic. All you have been doing is deflecting and taking the thread off topic because your dream scenario has been crushed and your butt hurt. When your ready to talk about the Deron situation rejoin the thread. Until then **** off.

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 01:44 AM
My team was in the playoffs last year. We have done more then the Nets franchise. I am willing to accept the responses when they are on topic. All you have been doing is deflecting and taking the thread off topic because your dream scenario has been crushed and your butt hurt. When your ready to talk about the Deron situation rejoin the thread. Until then **** off.

When have you ever seen me talking about Dwight Howard? You're the one that is deflecting. You obviously have a bias against the Nets. You can't even acknowledge that. :rolleyes:

Edit- You made the playoffs and got whooped. Congrats.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:45 AM
its ok for latinofire to take shots at net fans but when they respond its considered "derailing" the thread

lol this is funny

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:45 AM
My team was in the playoffs last year. We have done more then the Nets franchise. I am willing to accept the responses when they are on topic. All you have been doing is deflecting and taking the thread off topic because your dream scenario has been crushed and your butt hurt. When your ready to talk about the Deron situation rejoin the thread. Until then **** off.
Captain saves the day again.
:superman:

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:46 AM
so trading bogut (whos always hurt) and stephen jackson who never plays goes under "destroying" the roster ? lol

You would say something like this. If you think Brandon Jennings (Ball Hog PG) is going to mesh well with Ellis (Ball Hog PG/SG) then I completely understand your arguement in this thread. You have no clue about chemistry if you think thats a match made in heaven. LOL I am done here. I actually felt bad for the Nets with Dwight dissing you, but your whole fanbase is completely clueless. Keep thinking Deron is going to stay because when he leaves I will be the one making the Blue Print of Success Part 2 - Brooklyn Nets going to the D League.

Sinestro
03-16-2012, 01:46 AM
Nets are either in a lot of trouble or they're in a for a nice surprise any of the two can happen personally I think they're in trouble

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:46 AM
Captin saves the day again.
:superman:

Captain learn to spell

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 01:47 AM
its ok for latinofire to take shots at net fans but when they respond its considered "derailing" the thread

lol this is funny

I love the logic. Don't respond to HIS off topic posts and it's all good.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:47 AM
dont worry guys

MELO'S HOME... CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKBrX8jVv4I

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:47 AM
Captain learn to spell

Thanks

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 01:47 AM
Captain learn to spell

Whoop whoop. Grammar police.

:offtopic:

DoMeFavors
03-16-2012, 01:48 AM
Wonder why no reporters ever talk about where Deron is going? Because its obvious he is staying, read the quotes.

If anything he would want to team up with Dwight and see where he goes next summer and Deron will opt in which he has talked about. Why would he sign anywhere else where he can get the most money as a Net? Where else can he go to win a championship? Join a mavs team that is the new Celtics? Where Rondo is right now is the position Deron would be in a Maverick..the entire roster of 35 year olds. He is staying a Net probably for the rest of his career.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:50 AM
When have you ever seen me talking about Dwight Howard? You're the one that is deflecting. You obviously have a bias against the Nets. You can't even acknowledge that. :rolleyes:

Edit- You made the playoffs and got whooped. Congrats.

Yes I have a deep hatred for the NJ Nets, who cant fill out their own homecourt and was forced to move to a new location to sell tickets. I am so mad at a Nets team that has done nothing relevant for me to warrant the hate. I am soooooo angry that you have Marshon Brooks, Gerald Wallace, and Kris Humphries. My god you got me. I really cant wait to see Deron in Dallas. Then I wont have to hear from the 12 Nets fans on this site how they are going to be awesome next year!

I am going to bed good night haters. We can continue in the morning when you come up with some more brain busters for me to squash. THanks.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:51 AM
as much as this pains me to say but domefavors actually made a quality post

JIDsanity
03-16-2012, 01:51 AM
Yes I have a deep hatred for the NJ Nets, who cant fill out their own homecourt and was forced to move to a new location to sell tickets. I am so mad at a Nets team that has done nothing relevant for me to warrant the hate. I am soooooo angry that you have Marshon Brooks, Gerald Wallace, and Kris Humphries. My god you got me. I really cant wait to see Deron in Dallas. Then I wont have to hear from the 12 Nets fans on this site how they are going to be awesome next year!

I am going to bed good night haters. We can continue in the morning when you come up with some more brain busters for me to squash. THanks.
Thank you for finally admitting it.

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 01:53 AM
Yes I have a deep hatred for the NJ Nets, who cant fill out their own homecourt and was forced to move to a new location to sell tickets. I am so mad at a Nets team that has done nothing relevant for me to warrant the hate. I am soooooo angry that you have Marshon Brooks, Gerald Wallace, and Kris Humphries. My god you got me. I really cant wait to see Deron in Dallas. Then I wont have to hear from the 12 Nets fans on this site how they are going to be awesome next year!

I am going to bed good night haters. We can continue in the morning when you come up with some more brain busters for me to squash. THanks.
:cry:

You put a lot of energy into discussions involving teams you claim not to care about.

Sleep tight. I hope you dream about Isaiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury.

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 01:54 AM
melo's homeeeeee

DoMeFavors
03-16-2012, 01:55 AM
Also Deron said last night in 1 month here he has talked to management more times than his entire time in Utah, he even talked about his sponserships being excited about Brooklyn last night. He doesnt want to rebuild thats why he had King get him a starting SF who less than 2 years ago was named All Defense 1st team. Nets have already started developing talent like Marshon Brooks if he went to Dallas who would he have??

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 02:00 AM
Also Deron said last night in 1 month here he has talked to management more times than his entire time in Utah, he even talked about his sponserships being excited about Brooklyn last night. He doesnt want to rebuild thats why he had King get him a starting SF who less than 2 years ago was named All Defense 1st team. Nets have already started developing talent like Marshon Brooks if he went to Dallas who would he have??

did he really say this or are you making this up?... if true please link me

Netslunatic76
03-16-2012, 02:02 AM
did he really say this or are you making this up?... if true please link me

He said it the other day in an interview.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=703455

DoMeFavors, misquoted.

DoMeFavors
03-16-2012, 02:09 AM
did he really say this or are you making this up?... if true please link me

Its on the Nets page on YES NETWORK .com

sunsfan88
03-16-2012, 03:03 AM
I think the Nets gave up too much for Deron Williams. Derrick Favors, 100 1st rd picks, cap space, etc.

If D-Will doesn't stay in Brooklyn after the Nets did all this for him AND continuously talk to him about management decisions, it would be a bigger a**hole move than LeBron leaving Cleveland IMO.

sharqstealth
03-16-2012, 03:35 AM
Wonder why no reporters ever talk about where Deron is going? Because its obvious he is staying, read the quotes.

If anything he would want to team up with Dwight and see where he goes next summer and Deron will opt in which he has talked about. Why would he sign anywhere else where he can get the most money as a Net? Where else can he go to win a championship? Join a mavs team that is the new Celtics? Where Rondo is right now is the position Deron would be in a Maverick..the entire roster of 35 year olds. He is staying a Net probably for the rest of his career.

If winning championship is a factor to Deron then the more he has to leave the Nets! Anyone who thinks the Nets can win a championship is delusional! Their organization sucks, they can't even win their own fan base... Going to the Mavs is the most ideal, they recently just won a championship, and they have Mark Cuban as owner, you know how active he is in making a championship contending team! He's proven, unlike some Russian Billionaire who can't even get a star to want to play for his team...

jmoney85
03-16-2012, 09:22 AM
If winning championship is a factor to Deron then the more he has to leave the Nets! Anyone who thinks the Nets can win a championship is delusional! Their organization sucks, they can't even win their own fan base... Going to the Mavs is the most ideal, they recently just won a championship, and they have Mark Cuban as owner, you know how active he is in making a championship contending team! He's proven, unlike some Russian Billionaire who can't even get a star to want to play for his team...

mark has 1 championship... tell me how the organization sucks...please tell me

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 09:28 AM
mark has 1 championship... tell me how the organization sucks...please tell me

Their recent records over the past couple seasons prove that they suck. Next question.

latinofire21
03-16-2012, 01:37 PM
WindhorstESPN Brian Windhorst
RT @NYDNInterNets: Deron Williams tells the Daily News: "I will not op-in. Its not monkey see, monkey do."


Now the Nets look even more foolish. He didnt get his player and they should have shipped him at the deadline. Now they are going to lose him for nothing. Good Job Nets FO.

Greet
03-16-2012, 01:38 PM
Those comments literally mean nothing at all.