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Agar81
03-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Milwaukee and G-State are near deal to send Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson for Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and Kwame Brown, sources tell Y!


Bucks and Warriors have agreed in principle on trade to send Bogut and Jackson to Warriors for Ellis, Udoh and Brown, league source tells Y!

-Woj


EDIT: He now says they have agreed in principle.

https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/179725050222620673

king4day
03-13-2012, 08:29 PM
Bucks and Warriors have agreed in principle on trade to send Bogut and Jackson to Warriors for Ellis, Udoh and Brown, league source tells Y!


http://twitter.com/#!/wojyahoonba

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:29 PM
I like Udoh, but a Jennings + Monta back court would be HILARIOUS.

kjoke
03-13-2012, 08:30 PM
They gave up on howard? Wow. They get an injured bogut. Nice. They need to dump Andris in the worse way

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 08:30 PM
This has to mean that Jennings is going to be moved.

lakersfan01
03-13-2012, 08:30 PM
A deal of Gasol and Blake are better than trouble maker Stephen Jackson and injury prone Bogut.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:30 PM
Jennings + Monta :laugh:

Wow.

Poor Monta though. LOL.

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't know how to judge a trade that has Stephen Jackson and Monta Ellis in it...let alone a glassman like Bogut.

GS getting Jackson is so stupid. Milwaukee getting Monta makes little sense.

Weird trade. I'm just confused.

h2r09
03-13-2012, 08:31 PM
not sure i get it from either perspective, but especially the warriors. ellis isn't the problem there, its the overpaid big guys, and now you have 2 of them who are good, but not nearly worth what they are making. both teams need to completely rebuild anyway

dhopisthename
03-13-2012, 08:32 PM
I don't get that trade for the warriors, bogut can't stay healthy

kjoke
03-13-2012, 08:32 PM
Maybe GSW wanted Jackson back. Baron coming back?

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 08:32 PM
DEAL AGREED UPON!

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA Reply Retweet Favorite Open

Bucks and Warriors have agreed in principle on trade to send Bogut and Jackson to Warriors for Ellis, Udoh and Brown, league source tells Y!

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:32 PM
Otis' job just gets harder and harder...

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:32 PM
Yeah. I guess I'll just say I don't get it for either team...

What a weird trade.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:33 PM
:laugh:

This trade makes me just lulz so much.

Chi StateOfMind
03-13-2012, 08:33 PM
Lol.

Punk
03-13-2012, 08:33 PM
Say what now!?

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 08:33 PM
Well guys, atleast one trade went down. :laugh2:

SugeKnight
03-13-2012, 08:34 PM
I quit

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:34 PM
Maybe this trade causes a domino-effect and has other teams start pulling triggers?

SmartestGuyHere
03-13-2012, 08:34 PM
Jennings has to go then.

king4day
03-13-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm just glad there's NBA news!!!
Jackson going back to GS. Nice change of pace for both.
Looks like it's NJ or bust for Orlando and Howard.

kjoke
03-13-2012, 08:34 PM
Hopefully this starts off others

Punk
03-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Monta Ellis got owned so hard lmao

dodgersuck
03-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Udoh is the only piece the Warriors should be disappointed about giving up. Ellis was going to leave anyway and Kwame is hurt. I don't love Bogut but he's a pretty legit center which the Dubs need. I like Lee at the 4 and Bogut at 5, that's solid.

C_Mund
03-13-2012, 08:35 PM
I don't know how to judge a trade that has Stephen Jackson and Monta Ellis in it...let alone a glassman like Bogut.

GS getting Jackson is so stupid. Milwaukee getting Monta makes little sense.

Weird trade. I'm just confused.

Me too, but I hope it's just a big F-You to Ellis for demanding a trade. It's honestly getting so tiring to hear every single 20-ppg player say that there should be a contender built around them.

Gators123
03-13-2012, 08:36 PM
lol Another reason GSW should of drafted Monroe.

Avenged
03-13-2012, 08:36 PM
Don't get it for the Warriors. Banking on Bogut to get healthy and remain healthy.

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:36 PM
Usually I have a gut reaction about trades pretty much right away, but this one melts my brain....

Public Enemy #1
03-13-2012, 08:36 PM
As a Warrior fan, this is one of the stupidest trades I've ever seen. I can't believe this...

TrueFan420
03-13-2012, 08:36 PM
wow the way this trade will get looked at in the future all comes down to boguts health... big risk for the warriors cause when healthy bogut is a very good center and rule of thumb is never trade a big for a small

utl768
03-13-2012, 08:36 PM
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Close
Breaking just for the fun of it: Monta Ellis traded to Bucks, Stephen Jackson to Warriors. Just because.

Agar81
03-13-2012, 08:37 PM
Monta must be pissed haha. Like others have said, a backcourt of Jennings and Monta makes no sense.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:38 PM
Breaking just for the fun of it: Monta Ellis traded to Bucks, Stephen Jackson to Warriors. Just because.


Per Adam Schefter.

:laugh: x 100 at the bolded part.

Robbw241
03-13-2012, 08:38 PM
OMG Imagine.

Jennings dribbles the ball up the court and Monta runs up to him and rips it out of his hands, and they just fight back and forth for it!!!!! :laugh:

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:38 PM
Monta wanted to be traded.
So he gets traded to 1 of the basketball hells of the NBA.

:laugh:

smokeosama
03-13-2012, 08:38 PM
For Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/report-warriors-trade-monta-ellis-to-bucks-for-andrew-bogut-stephen-jackson/

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
Why does GS need another big man?
Why do they feel the need to give up Udoh for Bogut, especially when Bogut is hurt.
They're adding more salary, losing their huge expiring. They have enough bad contracts up front.
Why would they want Jackson.


Why does MLW think a Jennings + Monta back court will ever lead to winning ball?
Is it too soon to give up on Bogut in a trade that isn't going to get you closer to contending?


I guess for this season it helps Milwaukee...since Bogut is hurt. But long term, for both teams, this solves nothing.

NothingbutWill
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
I quit

same.....:facepalm:

Punk
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
Did Lacob find Ellis doing his wife? I don't get why trade him for TWO INJURED PLAYERS.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
OMG Imagine.

Jennings dribbles the ball up the court and Monta runs up to him and rips it out of his hands, and they just fight back and forth for it!!!!! :laugh:

Sad thing is, it'll probably happen more then once per game. :shrug:

:laugh:

kjoke
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
HEAT are still dangling Bosh out there Orlando..... Trade Anderson and Hedo for a solid center and small forward and you are set. Magic need to start dumping salary and rebuild with:

ANDRE DRUMMOND!

Metsboi69
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
WEIRD trade. I think it was made by the teams to spite Orlando?

Mudvayne91
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
Adam Schefter is a King

Avenged
03-13-2012, 08:40 PM
As a Warrior fan, this is one of the stupidest trades I've ever seen. I can't believe this...

I had a feeling Warriors fans would feel this way. I don't get it either.

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 08:40 PM
No kidding? :rolleyes:

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Poor Warriors fans. LOLOLOLOL.

YoungOne
03-13-2012, 08:41 PM
maybe it's just party of a bigger deal involving ellis or jennings

29$JerZ
03-13-2012, 08:41 PM
Usually I have a gut reaction about trades pretty much right away, but this one melts my brain....

My guess

Jennings is gone next year

This truly is a strange deal for both sides

Curry/Thompson/Jackson/Lee/Bogut?
Jennings/Ellis/Delfino/Ersa/Gooden?

It looks like they swapped identities

northsider
03-13-2012, 08:41 PM
Going to be allot different to face them if true.

bholly
03-13-2012, 08:41 PM
lol, Jennings/Ellis backcourt? Have fun, Bucks fans.

Maybe they could've gotten more for Ellis and Udoh, but at this point I think GSW win this one. Really it almost seems bad for both teams, though.

Will be interesting to see who, if anyone, shifts their position on the Monta efficiency debate now.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-13-2012, 08:42 PM
Ellis and Jennings will be fun to watch but at the same time will be god-awful defensively.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:42 PM
I had a feeling Warriors fans would feel this way. I don't get it either.

:laugh:

This is so good.

:laugh:

In the words of the great Adam Schefter, "Just because."

:laugh:

This trade literally can't be defended by any reasoning outside of "Just because."

:laugh:

lakerboy
03-13-2012, 08:42 PM
Captain Jack is back to GS

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:43 PM
If Bogut can stay healthy I'd rather have him than Ellis...

The problem is, they already have so much money invested in Lee and Biedrins. If they can some how make those guys disappear, this could help rebuild.

Neither team was going anywhere any time soon...and this doesn't help either team's cause.

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 08:43 PM
Lakers somehow please get Brandon Jennings. :pray::pray::pray:

PleaseBeNice
03-13-2012, 08:43 PM
Confusing trade. Udoh has potential. jennings and ellis wont get along IMO

YungDaSensai
03-13-2012, 08:43 PM
As a Warrior fan, this is one of the stupidest trades I've ever seen. I can't believe this...

Idk man my Dolphins are up there with you :(

Robbw241
03-13-2012, 08:44 PM
Pau for Brandon Jennings! LUL

ESaady
03-13-2012, 08:44 PM
Trading just to trade....it's tough being a Dubs fan :(

John408
03-13-2012, 08:44 PM
Dumb trade...warriors still have Beidrins lol

smith&wesson
03-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Yeah. I guess I'll just say I don't get it for either team...

What a weird trade.

Very weid.

Romo2Bryant
03-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Adam Schefter is a King

:nod:

king4day
03-13-2012, 08:45 PM
For those who don't like it for the Warriors, I ask this.
What would you rather have seen them do? They were in a stalemate for years. They needed change. Now it's Curry's team to run and they have a legit big man.
In my opinion it's a needed change. He'll fit better and Marc Jackson coaching skills be able to shine better with him over Ellis.

Jenceman
03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
Well I see the reasoning for GS. Good pairing up front with Bogut-Lee, free up the SG spot for Klay Thompson and hand the reins of the franchise to Curry. Thompson won't be handling the ball nearly as much as Ellis.

All depends on Bogut being healthy though.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
Lakers somehow please get Brandon Jennings. :pray::pray::pray:

Why? That would be such a horrific fit.

kjoke
03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
GSW really needs to amnesty Andris/ Lee can give you something for the next 5 years, andris wont

ifhmondays
03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
We have a pg, we needed a shooting guard in the worst way drew gooden is playing decent at center with ilyasova at pf now we just need a sf

Romo2Bryant
03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
Can't wait for Jennings and Ellis. Maybe the Bucks are trading Jennings in a separate deal.

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
Does this mean that Warriors could very well trade David Lee?

Maybe that Gasol to Warriors for Curry+Ellis+fillers deal might just be possible...

unwantedplayer
03-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Can't wait for Jennings and Ellis.


Probably the Warriors because who knows how healthy Bogut can stay.

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:47 PM
For those who don't like it for the Warriors, I ask this.
What would you rather have seen them do? They were in a stalemate for years. They needed change. Now it's Curry's team to run and they have a legit big man.
In my opinion it's a needed change. He'll fit better and Marc Jackson coaching skills be able to shine better with him over Ellis.

They NEEDED to do something, and making it Curry's team is fine with me.


I just don't get why they had to give up Udoh. And until they get rid of Lee and especially Biedrin's contracts, they're not going anywhere.

alew510
03-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Really the only logic here is that Jennings will be traded or gone at the end of the year. Honestly Ellis has been playing pretty good pg in the absence of curry and I think could develop into a nice pg. Udoh is also a player on the rise and wil be a great packup big behind gooden and ersanity.

From the warriors perspective....I have no clue. They got a terrible and very aged player in SJax and another very injury prone player to pair with Curry....I am speechless

Robbw241
03-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Jazz fans are rejoicing everywhere!

Chacarron
03-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Hopefully Bogut stays healthy for the Warriors, he'd fit nicely with David Lee.

Public Enemy #1
03-13-2012, 08:48 PM
I don't know how to feel right now, I feel betrayed. Ellis was the Warriors best player. He actually wanted to win. To trade him for a guy thats injured all the time, and another guy who made his way out of here just 3 years ago is so stupid. Curry and Bogut on the same team... Doesn't seem smart. **** Warriors managment **** Larry Riley. **** all of this...

momoneyyyy
03-13-2012, 08:48 PM
warriors are so stupid for this trade!

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:48 PM
Gasol for Curry + Wright + Lee.

Make it happen.

Curry - Kobe - Wright - Lee - Bynum.

Kind of awful defensively, but that would be fun to watch offensively. lol.

Teeboy1487
03-13-2012, 08:49 PM
OK for both teams imo. I need to see how things pan out before judging this trade. Ellis wanted out so the Warriors got what they could. Not bad getting one of the best centers in the league. He just have to stay healthy.

Avenged
03-13-2012, 08:50 PM
For those who don't like it for the Warriors, I ask this.
What would you rather have seen them do? They were in a stalemate for years. They needed change. Now it's Curry's team to run and they have a legit big man.
In my opinion it's a needed change. He'll fit better and Marc Jackson coaching skills be able to shine better with him over Ellis.

So make a trade just to make a trade just because they need to make moves? I agree that they need to make moves but this just wasn't it.

I would have rather seen them make a move that made sense.. In my opinion, they could have probably gotten more.

Not only did they send out Ellis, they gave 2 of their bigs, and received an injury prone Center who is currently injured.

VCaintdead17
03-13-2012, 08:51 PM
Lol wtf is this? Monta and Jennings together? Also, lulz at Jackson going back to GSW

Public Enemy #1
03-13-2012, 08:51 PM
^Ellis didn't want out, he wanted the Warriors to make a trade to get the team to the playoffs. He wanted to win. Warriors obviously didn't want to do that, so they traded away their best player... As a hardcore Warriors fan, this trade kills me. Bogut and Curry are so injury prone. Traded the wrong player.... Curry should have been dealt.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-13-2012, 08:51 PM
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Brandon Rush
SF: Dorrell Wright
PF: David Lee
C: Andrew Bogut

That is actually a decent team right there. Wish GS could have kept Ekpe though.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:51 PM
This trade makes 0 sense for either side.

king4day
03-13-2012, 08:51 PM
GSW really needs to amnesty Andris/ Lee can give you something for the next 5 years, andris wont

They already used their amnesty on Charlie Bell. So they're stuck with him.


warriors are so stupid for this trade!

I don't want this to sound like I'm attacking you but I'm curious why you feel this way.
No one who has stated it's bad for the Warriors or makes no sense has given a reason why.

Punk
03-13-2012, 08:52 PM
I'm pretty sure Monta isn't happy about this at all.

Gram
03-13-2012, 08:52 PM
Milwaukee's gonna have a ****ing funny backcourt.

Giannis94
03-13-2012, 08:53 PM
First of all,
You guys dont understand what its like to be a Bucks fan. Our Gm signs Salmons to a 5 year 39 million dollar deal, Gooden to 4 year 28 (I think). Then he trades for Magette. Then Hammond trades Magette, drops 9 slots to acquire jackson. WTF?

unwantedplayer
03-13-2012, 08:53 PM
This is the way I view the conversation between the bucks gm and warriors gm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk3R5gAYQIo

mp3
03-13-2012, 08:55 PM
Gonna miss Monta on the Warriors. I was actually rocking his high school jersey down at school today. I wish he went to a contending team. The Warriors finally got a center...I just hope he stays healthy. Monta and Buck Jennings is awful defensively but that will be a fun show to watch. Best of luck Monta!

UPRock
03-13-2012, 08:55 PM
Marc J. Spears ‏ @SpearsNBAYahoo
Warriors newcomer forward Stephen Jackson won't be bought out, a source says.
Retweeted by Adrian Wojnarowski

What a mess LOL

onlythisfar41
03-13-2012, 08:55 PM
Not sure why the Warriors would give up all those players for Bogut who can never stay on the court. When hes healthy hes a great player but I think Monta's offense is more valuable than what Bogut brings. Once you factor in that Monta is on the floor waaaaaay more frequently then I think you have to say that this trade greatly favors the Bucks.

However the pairing of Monta and Jennings is laughable. They are the same the player except that Monta is significantly better than Jennings is. Well I guess well see how it all ends up working out.

VCaintdead17
03-13-2012, 08:56 PM
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Brandon Rush
SF: Dorrell Wright
PF: David Lee
C: Andrew Bogut

That is actually a decent team right there. Wish GS could have kept Ekpe though.


It really is a solid starting line up. They'll be able to shoot the lights out while also having a scorer in the post as well. Bogut has proven he can have an offense ran through him and he should be able to find open shooters.

Gators123
03-13-2012, 08:56 PM
I hope Asandhu is okay.

ManRam
03-13-2012, 08:56 PM
The weirdest thing of this all was that Golden State was overvaluing Monta so much the past few months...


I think Bogut for Monta would be a good fetch for GS. I don't think adding Udoh and Kwame's expiring for Jackson makes it a good trade though.

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 08:56 PM
Mitch: "Hey Golden State, want an all white starting 5?"
GSW: "Sure, how can we make this happen."
Mitch: "Gasol, Blake, Walton for Curry, Wright, and Lee."
GSW: "Huh?"
Mitch: "Just think of the whiteness of your line-up. Blake - Klay - Walton - Gasol - Bogut."
GSW: "But that team would be awful on a basketball court."
Mitch: "Oh, I know."
GSW: "Okay, well deal."
Mitch: "Wait, are you sure?!"
*Mitch frantically writing up the trade papers.
GSW: "Why not?!"
Mitch: "Umm... papers will be in your fax in about 30 minutes."
GSW: "Nice talkin' trade."


I imagine if a deal gets done between GS & LA that is what the convo will look like.

BIG worm
03-13-2012, 08:57 PM
exactly the kind of trade you expect these 2 teams to make. a jennings, monta backcourt is tiny.

oak2455
03-13-2012, 08:57 PM
NBA pure comedy

mgsports
03-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Jackson as the SG with Rush off the Bench or Jackson to Orlando for JRICH/QRICH.

sf-fanatic
03-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Warriors are just taking a risk trading a small for an injured big when healthy a top 5 center in the league. Brown is expendable and Udoh is the only person worth losing. Monta hasnt taken the warriors anywhere the last couple years as a franchise player. I'm not that mad that Monta is gone but I'd rather the bucks take Biedrins instead of Brown.

Monta is beast
03-13-2012, 08:59 PM
:(

ghettosean
03-13-2012, 08:59 PM
This has to mean that Jennings is going to be moved.
Yep there's got to be another move... Jennings was talking a month ago about wanting to play for a big market... I hear Toronto is nice :)

*Silver&Black*
03-13-2012, 08:59 PM
Weird trade. Jennings might be moved next. GS just got rid of Ellis to make it Curry's team finally and have some hope I guess for Bogut.

NoahH
03-13-2012, 09:00 PM
:(

I was waiting for your reply lol

sf-fanatic
03-13-2012, 09:00 PM
Can we trade Jackson to Orlando for an expiring contract?

UPRock
03-13-2012, 09:01 PM
Aaron Rodgers ‏ @AaronRodgers12
Ellis to the Bucks!!! Playoff bound
Retweeted by SportsCenter

WTF Aaron, you know better than that!

dtmagnet
03-13-2012, 09:01 PM
This trade doesn't seem to help either team...

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 09:01 PM
Reason this is a dumb trade because now Golden State has a ridiculously large amount of money tied up in the 4/5 position in Lee/Biedrins/Bogut without the ability to amnesty one of the three.

Bogut's health issues are also very unreliable.

GSW's front-office had been overvaluing Monta for so long and to get a deal in which they also shipped out Udoh was a huge mistake. They got absolutely shitastically bad value for Monta to begin with in this deal, but to send a young good big in Udoh as well?

Not to mention, bringing back SJAX was a massive mistake. :laugh:

Milwaukee has a back-court that on paper would be entertaining but I think the chemistry of that back-court is going to be an absolute nightmare.

dayreezy
03-13-2012, 09:01 PM
fml.... a injured starting center... a injured starting pg... i can just see SJax driving the lane do that slow *** spin move, lose the ball, complain to the refs and not get back on D... its like i seen this all before.... goodbye playoffs... goodbye lottery... cant wait till baseball and football...

b@llhog24
03-13-2012, 09:02 PM
I like Udoh, but a Jennings + Monta back court would be HILARIOUS.

Lol this. -Insert Chucking joke here-

Avenged
03-13-2012, 09:03 PM
Warriors are just taking a risk trading a small for an injured big when healthy a top 5 center in the league. Brown is expendable and Udoh is the only person worth losing. Monta hasnt taken the warriors anywhere the last couple years as a franchise player. I'm not that mad that Monta is gone but I'd rather the bucks take Biedrins instead of Brown.

The Warriors are now very thin when it comes to bigs.

Don't they only have 1 PF now? (Lee)

And 2 Centers? Might as well be 1 with Bogut's injury history.

ACanadian
03-13-2012, 09:03 PM
GSW fan's are gonna be mad lol!

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 09:03 PM
Reason this is a dumb trade because now Golden State has a ridiculously large amount of money tied up in the 4/5 position in Lee/Biedrins/Bogut without the ability to amnesty one of the three.

Bogut's health issues are also very unreliable.

GSW's front-office had been overvaluing Monta for so long and to get a deal in which they also shipped out Udoh was a huge mistake. They got absolutely shitastically bad value for Monta to begin with in this deal, but to send a young good big in Udoh as well?

Not to mention, bringing back SJAX was a massive mistake. :laugh:

Milwaukee has a back-court that on paper would be entertaining but I think the chemistry of that back-court is going to be an absolute nightmare.


You have to fool to think Warriors won't make a deal to trade away either Lee or Biedrins.

Vikingfan84
03-13-2012, 09:03 PM
I like this trade for GS. Bogut is great if he's playing. But I think the fans of GS will much more enjoy Stephen Jackson. He plays much more defense than Ellis and gives Curry more of an opportunity to run the offense. Bogut when healthy along side David Lee will also be nice. Both are great offensive players. With Ellis moving out, it creates more time for Klay Thompson to move into the rotation and possibly start. I think GS is better by making this trade.

On Milwaukee's end of things, they become a better offensive team, but defensively take a step in the wrong direction. Ain't much to talk about other than that.

UPRock
03-13-2012, 09:03 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA
The Bucks still plan to keep Brandon Jennings, as @SpearsNBAYahoo reported yesterday. GM John Hammond made deal to pair Jennings and Ellis.

Ok...so they want both LOL

Gators123
03-13-2012, 09:05 PM
This is a terrible trade for GSW.

ManRam
03-13-2012, 09:05 PM
So they're going to keep Jennings and Ellis together...hmmm....


My new favorite team in the NBA, hands down.

Knowledge
03-13-2012, 09:05 PM
Forget this trade. Both teams lost. A monta/Jennings back-court is gonna be comical since no one else will touch the ball. And Bogut was a nice player before he was hurt, but his injuries are never going to completely heal.

The most important part of this whole ordeal is whether Adam Schefter really broke this trade before NBA insiders. If so, put this man in the HOF now!!!

Punk
03-13-2012, 09:05 PM
I wonder if the Bucks did this so they can flip Monta or prepare to lose Jennings to a larger market team?

netsgiantsyanks
03-13-2012, 09:06 PM
monta+jennings=lulz.

ManRam
03-13-2012, 09:06 PM
This is gonna be tank city now.


@chadfordinsider

Wrinkle to trade: Warriors keep 1st rd pick if 7 or higher. Send to Jazz if lower. With Bogut out the year GS may lose enough to keep pick


So they're giving up on this season to get a top 7 pick. That's obvious now.

THE TANK IS ON IN GOLDEN STATE!

Gators123
03-13-2012, 09:06 PM
I ****ing hate PSD. Fix your ****ing servers PLEASE!

BGeer091
03-13-2012, 09:06 PM
I think it's a dumb trade for G.S. Also I believe it means that Jennings might be getting traded...

*Silver&Black*
03-13-2012, 09:07 PM
Skiles with Jennings and Ellis would be a great T.V. show.

Anon
03-13-2012, 09:07 PM
If they were giving away Ellis why not give him away to us?

blastmasta26
03-13-2012, 09:07 PM
Ellis and Jennings in the backcourt? Uh...

PocketKings
03-13-2012, 09:08 PM
You have to fool to think Warriors won't make a deal to trade away either Lee or Biedrins.

Their front-court right now looks like Lee/Kwame/Biedrins/Bogut. With Bogut hurt. Which makes it Lee/Kwame/Biedrins right now essentially.

I really wonder if they want to pair Lee + Curry/Klay to really upgrade? I don't know, not after dealing Monta.

I think it is absolutely critical of them to deal either Lee or Biedrins, but it'll be very tough to do so if you think they can deal either or by themselves.

jimbobjarree
03-13-2012, 09:08 PM
headscratcher

blastmasta26
03-13-2012, 09:09 PM
If they were giving away Ellis why not give him away to us?
I believe I read something posted on here about the Warriors owner not wanting to facilitate an Orlando deal that helped Dwight stay in any way.

ManRam
03-13-2012, 09:09 PM
I ****ing hate PSD. Fix your ****ing servers PLEASE!

In their defense...we've set the user record a million times already today. I'm surprised it hasn't just completely died at this point....

dodie53
03-13-2012, 09:09 PM
:chirp:
:chirp:

Monta is beast
03-13-2012, 09:10 PM
It makes sense for the Warriors long-term, but man this is hard to deal with.

Curry
Thompson
Draft
Lee
Bogut

LakersSaintsLSU
03-13-2012, 09:10 PM
Didnt JAX want out of GS when he was there???? smh

RaJAxTWa
03-13-2012, 09:10 PM
DISSECT THIS TRADE

Dwight howard wants to play with stephen jackson and monta ellis but now none of them cant be dealt since they have been traded and are not eligible to be traded

THIS MEANS DWIGHT is leaving since the pieces cannot be moved to him

Punk
03-13-2012, 09:11 PM
WTF Aaron, you know better than that!

:laugh:

Knicks21
03-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Jennings and Ellis would have to be one of the stupidest back courts in NBA history. Jennings has to go.

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Their front-court right now looks like Lee/Kwame/Biedrins/Bogut. With Bogut hurt. Which makes it Lee/Kwame/Biedrins right now essentially.

I really wonder if they want to pair Lee + Curry/Klay to really upgrade? I don't know, not after dealing Monta.

I think it is absolutely critical of them to deal either Lee or Biedrins, but it'll be very tough to do so if you think they can deal either or by themselves.

Kwame is part of the deal going to Milwaukee.

So essentially, it's Biedrins/Lee/Bogut.


But they're all hefty contracts, gotta get rid of one of 'em.

Avenged
03-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Their front-court right now looks like Lee/Kwame/Biedrins/Bogut. With Bogut hurt. Which makes it Lee/Kwame/Biedrins right now essentially.

I really wonder if they want to pair Lee + Curry/Klay to really upgrade? I don't know, not after dealing Monta.

I think it is absolutely critical of them to deal either Lee or Biedrins, but it'll be very tough to do so if you think they can deal either or by themselves.

Kwame was traded though.

So it's Lee/Biedrins/Bogut

But with Bogut's history.. it's Lee/Biedrins. Ouch.

Teeboy1487
03-13-2012, 09:12 PM
In their defense...we've set the user record a million times already today. I'm surprised it hasn't just completely died at this point....

What was it?

BranWingss
03-13-2012, 09:13 PM
Milwaukee now has the best backcourt in the NBA. :drool: .. Any guess on those two's average shots a game?

Punk
03-13-2012, 09:14 PM
Their front-court right now looks like Lee/Kwame/Biedrins/Bogut. With Bogut hurt. Which makes it Lee/Kwame/Biedrins right now essentially.

I really wonder if they want to pair Lee + Curry/Klay to really upgrade? I don't know, not after dealing Monta.

I think it is absolutely critical of them to deal either Lee or Biedrins, but it'll be very tough to do so if you think they can deal either or by themselves.

Kwame is going to MIL.

RaJAxTWa
03-13-2012, 09:15 PM
GOLDEN STATE is putting the rental in place and trying to make dwight happy...WATCH

Knicks21
03-13-2012, 09:15 PM
This is going to destroy Ersanity.

AlexTmz2
03-13-2012, 09:17 PM
wtf. bogut and jackson?!?!

better player here is obviously Monta, great addition for the bucks!


seriously! bogut and jackson!?!

MrfadeawayJB
03-13-2012, 09:19 PM
I like it for GS

PatsSoxKnicks
03-13-2012, 09:19 PM
Fun Fact: Udoh is 2nd in the NBA in +/- on court/off court. He's also up there in adjusted +/- (though not 2nd).

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-13-2012, 09:21 PM
This could very well have a Curry+Klay THompson + David Lee to Orlando for Dwight + Turk trade in the making.

Dwight and S-Jax get to play with each other then. :laugh2:

Sportfan
03-13-2012, 09:21 PM
Yea Udoh is a real solid 2nd piece

at the end of the day it's value vs. need. Bucks take the value and see if they can swing it together in the offseason, Warriors want a team identity right now.

momoneyyyy
03-13-2012, 09:22 PM
Well first off Bogut I like him but he cant stay healthy and dont get me started on Jackson hes garbage and wanted to be traded away from this team a couple of years ago. Monta is a player that can go off from 30+ any night. Hes a dam near all star. And Udoh was starting to get better on the offensive side and he was a above average defender

LA_Raiders
03-13-2012, 09:23 PM
lol, I feel sorry for Warriors fans...

The_Jamal
03-13-2012, 09:24 PM
A healthy Curry and Bogut are two very nice pieces to build around. Problem is, the Warriors just banked their foreseeable future on those two magically being healthy

MJ-BULLS
03-13-2012, 09:24 PM
this is a weird trade for both sides.

HouRealCoach
03-13-2012, 09:24 PM
Bogut/Lee/Curry/Jackson.... Hopefully they let it be known that it is Curry's team

davids22
03-13-2012, 09:26 PM
I don't think the Bucks are done. Jennings wants out for a bigger market. I think this trade is just the beginning.

Now, technically it wouldn't be a 3-team trade, but since the trade machine isn't updated yet, I figured it out and it still works. Bucks send Jennings and the expiring contract of Kwame Brown and Carlos Delfino for Rajon Rondo.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

It works salary wise, and also gets $9mil expiriing off the books for the Celtics, who also have all of the big 3 expiring next year. Would allow them to make a play at Dwight. Some of you might say that the Celtics arn't getting enough back in return, but they get a young PG who will want to play with them. They also get a LOT of cap room. If they REALLY want something more, you can swap Delfino's expiring with Ersan Illyasova. Ersan is much better with much better upside, and they could sign him in the off season. But I can't see the Bucks parting ways with him.

Lim
03-13-2012, 09:26 PM
haven't the warriors been trying to deal monta for a big for a long time now? whats so hard to comprehend?

AlexTmz2
03-13-2012, 09:27 PM
^ yeah but for an injured bogut?!

howiend
03-13-2012, 09:28 PM
when i heard this trade i didn't get it, after reading the early posts in this thread i still didn't get it as many others said the same thing. i think i got it now - for the bucks this gives them a better chance of making the playoffs this year and gets rid of steven jackson, for the warriors it helps them to lose games and keep their first rd pick in a very good draft, if bogut is healthy next year they have a good frontcourt of bogut and lee and curry can assume a greater leadership role and ellis needed to go

Fresno
03-13-2012, 09:29 PM
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The goods
03-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Jackson going back to golden state wow,a weird trade all around.

mgsports
03-13-2012, 09:30 PM
Jennings or Ellis maybe to Magic.

sf-fanatic
03-13-2012, 09:31 PM
The Warriors are now very thin when it comes to bigs.

Don't they only have 1 PF now? (Lee)

And 2 Centers? Might as well be 1 with Bogut's injury history.

Jeremy Tyler and Earl Barron we still have lol. Its not like we are going to win anyways...but Sjax might bring the magic back to the bay.

FreakaNashur
03-13-2012, 09:31 PM
turrble. bogut is too injury prone.

Chucky Woods
03-13-2012, 09:33 PM
What if Stern nixed it lol.

--23--
03-13-2012, 09:33 PM
feel bad for the Warriors fans

MVP1
03-13-2012, 09:33 PM
6994 people on PSD a record wow.

Baller1
03-13-2012, 09:36 PM
I feel like I'm the only one who likes this for Milwaukee?

Sportfan
03-13-2012, 09:37 PM
Bad trade for both sides

Worse for GS though, at least Milwaukee can flip one of Monta/BJ for something nice, GS got an injury prone center to add to their injury prone PG and another bad contract to add on to Biedrins and Lee. lulz

Monta is beast
03-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Warriors have an excellent front-court now, and with us drafting Thompson last off-season, we are looking good.

Beantownsboss
03-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Thats a terrible trade for rondo, hes not.being moved, and pierces contract isnt expiring. Garnett and Allen are expiring but wont be traded, because they will resign for less next year, and we can then bring in two max contract free agents. Imagine rondo.allen,pierce,garnett, and howard, plus jeff Green and another big contraxt guy coming off the bench

SeoulBeatz
03-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Brandon and Monta have a chance to become a legendary backcourt... for all the wrong reasons.

SeoulBeatz
03-13-2012, 09:39 PM
I feel like I'm the only one who likes this for Milwaukee?

yes.

Monta is beast
03-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Bad trade for both sides

Worse for GS though, at least Milwaukee can flip one of Monta/BJ for something nice, GS got an injury prone center to add to their injury prone PG and another bad contract to add on to Biedrins and Lee. lulz

Jackson is owed 3 million for the rest of the year? Next year his contract is a major asset. Not only that, but we have an excellent fron-tcourt, and the offense will run through the front-court, with Curry & Thompson two excellent 3 pt shooters, just camping out. Good trade for the Warriors.

shep33
03-13-2012, 09:40 PM
I don't get this for either team. Maybe the most pointless trade ever. Why...gstate? Why take back jax and his deal?

Avenged
03-13-2012, 09:42 PM
I feel like I'm the only one who likes this for Milwaukee?

Well, I don't like it for them but they did win this trade.

LongWayFromHome
03-13-2012, 09:43 PM
If (MASSIVE IF) Bogut can be healthy this is a good deal for GS. Ellis is fools-gold will never win.

This kind of reminds me of when MIL traded Ray Allen for Gary Payton and had a Payton/Cassell backcourt <---(much better than Jennings Ellis obv, but still strange).

LongWayFromHome
03-13-2012, 09:43 PM
If (MASSIVE IF) Bogut can be healthy this is a good deal for GS. Ellis is fools-gold will never win.

This kind of reminds me of when MIL traded Ray Allen for Gary Payton and had a Payton/Cassell backcourt <---(much better than Jennings Ellis obv, but still strange).

Sportfan
03-13-2012, 09:44 PM
Jackson is owed 3 million for the rest of the year? Next year his contract is a major asset. Not only that, but we have an excellent fron-tcourt, and the offense will run through the front-court, with Curry & Thompson two excellent 3 pt shooters, just camping out. Good trade for the Warriors.
GS had cap space for this year

now they wont

moshy2
03-13-2012, 09:46 PM
The trade is only good for the Warriors if we shut down Curry and Bogut for the season and tank enough to keep our pick. If we do that then depending how the lottery goes and who declares we could have a chance at Harrison Barnes (unlikely but :pray:), Kidd-Gilchrist, or Jeremy Lamb.

A core of

Curry
Thompson
Draft Pick
Lee
Bogut

is pretty good IF it can stay healthy. Probably just me trying to be positive/optimistic.

Monta is beast
03-13-2012, 09:47 PM
GS had cap space for this year

now they wont

It doesn't matter. The Warriors are clearly goign to tank this season, in a deep draft. We'll draft a Small Forward, and next season we can trade Jackson's contract for a valuable asset.

Crackadalic
03-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Jennings and Monta backcourt? hmmm

GS looks good on paper but there going to be over the cap for years with that lineup

Jackson back in GS was a real lol moment

SeoulBeatz
03-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Warriors have an excellent front-court now, and with us drafting Thompson last off-season, we are looking good.

The trade was perfect for G.S IMO.

You guys have been lacking a legit center for a while, and when Bogut's healthy he's the 4th-5th best C in the league.

Monta and Curry were kind of redundant, even though Monta was a legend in the bay and one of the most exciting scorers in the NBA, Curry can definitely ease the blow of losing him and step up as the go to scorer.

I also like the addition of Captain Jack although many might disagree. He has a history in Golden State and he fits in with the system and will provide scoring just in case Curry gets hurt again.

As for Milwaukee, I have no idea what they're thinking unless they have a pending trade involving jennings on the way.

jtrinaldi
03-13-2012, 09:48 PM
I love this for the Bucks!!!
FTFD
Haters can SMD

Super.
03-13-2012, 09:51 PM
This trade is mad lulzy

Ari Gold
03-13-2012, 09:52 PM
Bogut said he doesn't even know if he could come back this year from his ankle injury. Stephen Jackson is overrated (if that). Monta + BJ backcourt is redundant unless they trade BJ now. I really like Udoh. Kwame's expiring is good though.

Anyway Bogut is more injury prone than Bynum.

Winner is the Bucks because of Udoh but honestly no one wins this trade.

Lloyd Christmas
03-13-2012, 09:54 PM
I love this as a Warriors fan. We now need to shut down Curry and Bogut for the year and keep our top 7 pick. BAM!

Mcdoh
03-13-2012, 09:54 PM
bucks will make monta their core.. since jennings wants out.. pau and artest rumor trade is better than bogut jackson trade.. now warriors have a 2 injury prone player.. good trade.. :D

Becks2307
03-13-2012, 09:55 PM
WAIT

the bucks have the reigning Eastern and Western conference players of the week now!
Ersan and Monta

CHIP!!

this must be the first time this has ever happened in the NBA.

GSP
03-13-2012, 10:03 PM
I don't know how to feel right now, I feel betrayed. Ellis was the Warriors best player. He actually wanted to win. To trade him for a guy thats injured all the time, and another guy who made his way out of here just 3 years ago is so stupid. Curry and Bogut on the same team... Doesn't seem smart. **** Warriors managment **** Larry Riley. **** all of this...

Dude u need to think of this with a clear mind .. here is the layout ... btw I am sad about Udoh.

1. Bogut - Center
2. Lee
3. Curry
4. Klay or Stack
5. Wright

Bench
1. Andres
2. Rush
3. Nate
4. Klay/Stack
5. McGuire

Apart from Curry and Nate each and every player on that team is a solid defender, we will not make the playoffs this year but next year ..u see what happens

jrm2054
03-13-2012, 10:03 PM
Good trade for both how long is Monta's contract i cant see him staying with the Bucks when it expires

Monta is beast
03-13-2012, 10:03 PM
I really like this trade for the Warriors. Clearly were not a playoff team this season, but next season...look out.

Jarvo
03-13-2012, 10:05 PM
:confused::(:mad::speechless::cry::facepalm::bang: :censored::faint::bla:

What in the blue black hell is this!!! Not my boy Monta him and Jennings wont work at all man!!!!

Monta is beast
03-13-2012, 10:05 PM
Curry-Robinson
Thompson-Jackson/Rush
P. Jones (draft)-Wright
Lee-Tyler
Bogut-Biedrins

We just became an inside out team, with two good low post players, and two great three point shooters. If we draft someone like Perry Jones, we are looking great!

MintBerryCrunch
03-13-2012, 10:06 PM
i honestly think it's a possibly great trade for both teams :confused:

GSRaider
03-13-2012, 10:13 PM
I really like this trade for the Warriors. Clearly were not a playoff team this season, but next season...look out.

Lol... You're ridiculous... You were just saying Monta will not get traded and he's our centerpiece and if the Warriors ever trade Monta the fan base would be furious...

Anyway... I'm a big fan of Bogut... I just hope he can stay healthy... Lee and a healthy Bogut is a quality front court combo...

unwantedplayer
03-13-2012, 10:15 PM
Reason this is a dumb trade because now Golden State has a ridiculously large amount of money tied up in the 4/5 position in Lee/Biedrins/Bogut without the ability to amnesty one of the three.

Bogut's health issues are also very unreliable.

GSW's front-office had been overvaluing Monta for so long and to get a deal in which they also shipped out Udoh was a huge mistake. They got absolutely shitastically bad value for Monta to begin with in this deal, but to send a young good big in Udoh as well?

Not to mention, bringing back SJAX was a massive mistake. :laugh:

Milwaukee has a back-court that on paper would be entertaining but I think the chemistry of that back-court is going to be an absolute nightmare.

Why can't they amnesty Biedrins?

Sadds The Gr8
03-13-2012, 10:16 PM
This trade is ****in ********...

sf-fanatic
03-13-2012, 10:18 PM
GS had cap space for this year

now they wont

bogut > mcghee who we woulda went after in the offseason

iFYouSeekAmy
03-13-2012, 10:19 PM
Monta wanted to be traded.
So he gets traded to 1 of the basketball hells of the NBA.

:laugh:

False. sources? Ellis has NEVER said he wanted out.

Oefarmy2005
03-13-2012, 10:20 PM
Good trade for the bucks, ok for the Warriors.

Swift Game
03-13-2012, 10:23 PM
This was an interesting trade to say the least.

The Warriors could have possibly traded Monte, Udoh and Lee for Pau and Artest or whoever else on the Laker roster minus Kobe and Drew. They are clearly going to tank this season imo. I though that Udo may have had more value than that quite honestly with his Defense.

Maybe some other trades will go down now since Monte is off the table. Orlando certainly will need to make a move with Dwight and NJ would probably be the team. Maybe more dominoes to fall now.

TheNumber37
03-13-2012, 10:24 PM
Jennings has to be gone...

Curry + Ellis> Ellis + Jennings.

jailedgiantsfan
03-13-2012, 10:27 PM
we have been waiting days upon days for some kind of trade to happen somewhere and then this is what we get......hmmmmm

KeepMonta#8
03-13-2012, 10:33 PM
haha does this mean i gotta change my name?

mavwar53
03-13-2012, 10:43 PM
Haha, anyone that thinks this trade is bad for the Warriors is an idiot.

Monta and Curry would have never worked, Monta and Jennings will never work either.

Bogut, a real center, is much harder to find than an undersized SG which is almost every PG in the league along with quite a few others that actually play SG.

The only bad part of the deal for the warriors was trading Udoh.

Klay Thompson will be better than Monta within 2 seasons mark my words, also I'd much rather have a good shooting 6'7" SG than a guy that will never get respect in terms of fouls in Monta.

Hellcrooner
03-13-2012, 10:51 PM
IF Bogut can stay healthy this is a GREAT trade for the warriors.

If not....well at least they unloaded the chuker.

Wow, Jennings and Ellis , what a nightmare!!!!!!!! stern can they play with one ball each?

Mile High Champ
03-13-2012, 10:59 PM
Wow weird trade. If the Warriors can get rid of Jackson, I will love the deal from their end. Grabbing Bogut is a great move despite his recent difficulty with some injuries. Getting a top tier center is next to impossible in this league and essentially dealing a combo guard and an underdevloped big in Udoh is a small price to pay. I like the Bogut and Lee front court. I like the Warriors core going forward pending health of course.

I think the Bucks are just crazy to accept this deal, I have no idea what they were thinking. As many of you have said putting two chuckers in the backcourt in Ellis and Jennings is a nightmare that Scott Skiles is going to be having each and every night. This is one messed up deal that makes little sense to the Bucks.

Mile High Champ
03-13-2012, 11:00 PM
This trade is ****in ********...

Well said man. Well said. :cool:

jsthornton7
03-13-2012, 11:02 PM
Finally a trade! its a fricking miracle

Blitzace137
03-13-2012, 11:09 PM
This is a marbury steve francis like back court hahaha :facepalm:

sunsfan88
03-13-2012, 11:11 PM
Jennings to PHX for Price + Lopez?

COOLbeans
03-13-2012, 11:12 PM
I think there's a light at the end of this tunnel.

LAKobeBryant
03-13-2012, 11:37 PM
does that gsw is trying get d12 in a deal for bogut?? curry-jackson-wright-lee-howard

Wolfman01
03-13-2012, 11:38 PM
I would say Bucks got the better end of this trade. Andrew Bogut is a good player but he always get injured every year or so often. Stephen Jackson is aging and his game is starting to slow down.

daWarriorz21
03-13-2012, 11:39 PM
Monta will be missed in Oakland and by all his fans..Im hoping they can trade Stephen Jackson by the trade deadline for anybody, i dont care who it is:confused::confused:

AsfanSince99
03-13-2012, 11:40 PM
This trade just assured the Bucks of the 8th seed.

VCaintdead17
03-13-2012, 11:42 PM
This trade just assured the Bucks of the 8th seed.

Uhhhh, what?

Lim
03-13-2012, 11:44 PM
if bogut can recover from his ankle fracture this is a good trade for GS. its not like they are going anywhere this year anyway, now they can tank for a good draft pick while Bogut has a whole year to rehab his ankle. then it will be Curry,Thompson,Wright(or future draft pick),Lee,Bogut. Bogut is the defensive anchor in the middle that they have been needing. now if they can deal lee for a defensive minded 4 they will be much improved imo.

as for Milwaukee i am assuming they will be making some more trades in the future as a jennings/ellis back court doesn't make much sense.

COOLbeans
03-14-2012, 01:53 AM
if bogut can recover from his ankle fracture this is a good trade for GS. its not like they are going anywhere this year anyway, now they can tank for a good draft pick while Bogut has a whole year to rehab his ankle. then it will be Curry,Thompson,Wright(or future draft pick),Lee,Bogut. Bogut is the defensive anchor in the middle that they have been needing. now if they can deal lee for a defensive minded 4 they will be much improved imo.

as for Milwaukee i am assuming they will be making some more trades in the future as a jennings/ellis back court doesn't make much sense.

Lee is averaging 20-10 and is hustling hard on defense.

shep33
03-14-2012, 01:56 AM
What's going to be interesting is to see what happens with the knicks tomorrow. If they lose do they make a move?

After thinking it over, i personally think the Bucks got the better end of the deal for right now. They traded two guys who don't play for Monta Ellis and Udoh. Udoh isn't just some throw in, the guy can play.

Chucky Woods
03-14-2012, 02:01 AM
Actually like this trade for the Bucks.

naps
03-14-2012, 02:12 AM
WTF..I didn't see it coming and it doesn't make any sense for either team. Bogut can't stay healthy and a backcourt of Jennings and Monta is a recipe for disaster.

naps
03-14-2012, 02:13 AM
Also, this has to mean something with Dwight Howard. I sense something big tomorrow.

Antipod
03-14-2012, 02:30 AM
Dafuc did i just read? )))

Soft body Bogut and "nobody likes him" SJ ... also, Monta and Jennings on the court IN THE SAME TIME? Doesn`t make sense for either teams :confused:

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-14-2012, 02:31 AM
if bogut stays healthy, GS wins this trade easily

FriedTofuz
03-14-2012, 02:31 AM
it makes sense for milwauke since bogut is never healthy. It doesnt make to much sense though since jennigs and monta are both hogs. Warriors traded for two injuried players #dumbass gm

PocketKings
03-14-2012, 02:33 AM
This still makes me lulz.

Punk
03-14-2012, 02:35 AM
What's going to be interesting is to see what happens with the knicks tomorrow. If they lose do they make a move?

Yes. They will fire D'antoni most likely.

He's the only problem honestly. Despite being a total mess we played pretty good ball against the Bulls twice this year which tells me if we can get it right, we can beat anybody.

I'd love for the Knicks to trade Amare for Dwight. That helps solve the weak link in the team but realistically the only deals NY is looking to make is add Boris Diaw and trade Toney Douglas.

Ebbs
03-14-2012, 02:39 AM
Bucks rape the **** out of this trade. Monta is disgusting. Sure he isn't super efficient but he is super talented. Add in a promising prospect in udoh for S jax . . . and Bogut who never plays rape.

jscotty8
03-14-2012, 02:39 AM
it makes sense for milwauke since bogut is never healthy. It doesnt make to much sense though since jennigs and monta are both hogs. Warriors traded for two injuried players #dumbass gm

Monta is avg 6 assists... Pretty big fail on your knowledge

PatsSoxKnicks
03-14-2012, 02:50 AM
Yes. They will fire D'antoni most likely.

He's the only problem honestly. Despite being a total mess we played pretty good ball against the Bulls twice this year which tells me if we can get it right, we can beat anybody.

I'd love for the Knicks to trade Amare for Dwight. That helps solve the weak link in the team but realistically the only deals NY is looking to make is add Boris Diaw and trade Toney Douglas.

You're kidding yourself if you think a coach makes the difference between 6 games under .500 and winning a championship.

Yes, because the Magic would really want Amare....Only way you get Dwight is trade Melo, which I've noticed according to you, Melo can do no wrong. He and his awful TS% of 50.0%. Firing Mike isn't going to make Melo start hitting open jumpers or make him make shots at the rim. I'll give Melo credit for playing better defense this year but his offense has gone down the toilet. He may regain form at some point but the Knicks won't go anywhere unless he does. In addition, as opposed to years past, he'll have to actually continue his decent defensive play. So far, in his entire career, he's not had a full season where he's shown he can be an above average defender. In the one year he's doing that, his offense has been bad. He can't do either/or. He's got to actually become a 2-way player.

shep33
03-14-2012, 03:06 AM
Yes. They will fire D'antoni most likely.

He's the only problem honestly. Despite being a total mess we played pretty good ball against the Bulls twice this year which tells me if we can get it right, we can beat anybody.

I'd love for the Knicks to trade Amare for Dwight. That helps solve the weak link in the team but realistically the only deals NY is looking to make is add Boris Diaw and trade Toney Douglas.

It's going to be interesting that's for sure. D'antoni is the easy move to make right now. We'll see what happens, if they panic or not come the deadline. Really interesting scenario in New York.

PatsSoxKnicks
03-14-2012, 03:06 AM
Bucks rape the **** out of this trade. Monta is disgusting. Sure he isn't super efficient but he is super talented. Add in a promising prospect in udoh for S jax . . . and Bogut who never plays rape.

Udoh is an interesting prospect: his advanced #'s pretty much suck but his +/- #'s are off the chart. He could be a solid addition to the Bucks. And more importantly, for whatever reason, they'll probably be better when he's on the floor then when he isn't. There was actually a great article on Udoh at Basketball Prospectus that I think you'll like:


February 28, 2012
Udoh's Plus-Minus
The New No-Stats Star

by Kevin Pelton

A strange thing happened in the Golden State Warriors' last game before the All-Star break: They were outscored with Ekpe Udoh on the floor. While that's not exactly unprecedented, Udoh has had a positive plus-minus 17 times this season in 30 games. On a lottery club like the Warriors, that's an accomplishment. By contrast, Golden State has only been positive with Udoh on the bench 11 times in those same 30 games.

That, simply, is how a player draws the nickname "Udoh's plus-minus," as if the figure had a life of its own above and beyond simply measuring Udoh's contributions. Coined by Ethan Sherwood Strauss of WarriorsWorld.net and HoopSpeak.com, the term is easy enough to use in casual conversation. When Udoh checks in with the second unit and Golden State immediately goes on a run, simply note that "Udoh's plus-minus is at it again."

Over the course of the season, the Warriors are 19.6 points better per 100 possessions, per BasketballValue.com. Only Blake Griffin of the Los Angeles Clippers (+22.9) has a larger net plus-minus in the league this season. If this is an artifact of the statistics, it's a remarkably consistent one. As a rookie, Udoh had a +11.7 net plus-minus. Therefore, despite his limited minutes, Udoh's adjusted plus-minus is becoming more statistically significant all the time. According to the two-year version favored by BasketballValue, Udoh's adjusted plus-minus is 2.53 standard deviations better than average.

If being confident that Udoh is better than average doesn't sound particularly impressive, keep in mind we're talking about a player who has thus far in his career rated 1.3 wins worse than replacement level in terms of his individual statistics. More so than any other current NBA player, Udoh's Venn Diagram of player performance fails to produce any consensus. Even "no-stats All-Stars" like Shane Battier and Nick Collison put up solid advanced numbers, especially early in their careers. Udoh's individual statistics suggest that he's a lottery bust, an assessment plus-minus suggests is a flat-out lie.

There's a precedent for Udoh, and it can be found on the bench of the Atlanta Hawks. A decade ago, the New Jersey Nets drafted Jason Collins to be their center of the future, a role he claimed by his second pro season. Collins never averaged more than 6.4 points and 6.1 rebounds, and he's rated as below replacement in each of his 10 NBA seasons. Yet the Nets consistently played better with Collins on the floor, particularly at the defensive end, because of his knack for positioning. Collins came up with few rebounds of his own, but New Jersey tended to collect more missed shots with him on the court.

Even though Collins has slowed down as his quickness has dwindled since he turned 30, he was still a difference-maker in last year's first-round upset over the Orlando Magic because of his ability to defend Dwight Howard without double-team help. Collins has managed 658 NBA games and 460 starts despite his many limitations.

Coming out of Baylor, Udoh was even more highly regarded than Collins. Golden State took him sixth overall, ahead of Greg Monroe, in the expectation that the offensive improvement Udoh showed in his lone season in Waco after transferring from Michigan would continue in the NBA. It hasn't. Udoh has made just 42.7 percent of his two-pointers as a pro, a dreadful mark for a big man. He's limited in part by his subpar hands, as well as his inability to finish when he does catch the ball around the basket. About the best that can be said of Udoh's offense is that he knows his limitations and operates within them.

As a result, the most stunning aspect of Udoh's plus-minus might be that regularized adjusted plus-minus--an improved version that also tends to be more conservative--shows him this season as more valuable to the Warriors on offense than on defense. That aspect is difficult to explain, and reflects a case where I'm tempted to stick with Udoh's individual numbers.

At the defensive end, it's easier to see Udoh's contributions. He's a quality shot blocker whose athleticism allows him to defend on the perimeter as well as in the paint. Udoh is a classic multiple-effort defender who excels against the pick-and-roll. Like Collins, Udoh helps his team on the glass without actually grabbing many rebounds (his rebound rate would be only slightly above average for a small forward) because he boxes out so well. This is particularly useful for Golden State, since David Lee tends to have the opposite effect as a rebounder.

Typically, when plus-minus disagrees with individual stats, it tends to reinforce what coaches value. Players like Battier, Collins and Collison were beloved by coaches, even if they weren't necessarily aware of their plus-minus impact. That's the unusual thing about Udoh. Mark Jackson knows how well Udoh rates because he's heard all about from Sherwood Strauss and other media members who cover the team, including Mercury News columnist Tim Kawakami. Still, Jackson has been hesitant to elevate Udoh above struggling starter Andris Biedrins or even give him heavier minutes.

Last Monday against the Clippers, Jackson had no alternative in the middle. Biedrins sat with a sore knee, while Kwame Brown (Golden State's marquee addition in free agency) is likely out for the season with a torn pectoral. In his first start of the season, Udoh responded by scoring 19 points and grabbing eight boards. Naturally, the Warriors were +13 with him on the floor during a seven-point win. For both Udoh and Udoh's plus-minus, it was a career night.

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shep33
03-14-2012, 03:08 AM
Udoh can play, people haven't seen this guy on the court. Whenever he's out there, for some reason he just makes the team he's on better.

PatsSoxKnicks
03-14-2012, 03:18 AM
Udoh can play, people haven't seen this guy on the court. Whenever he's out there, for some reason he just makes the team he's on better.

Yup, a lot of that is obviously his defense and his apparent ability to help the team in rebounding, even if he isn't getting the rebounds.

I'd be curious to know if the Bucks were aware of his adjusted +/- #'s. There are some teams that use some form of this stat (the Cavs and Mavs come to mind) and if the Bucks were aware of this, they obviously would've jumped at the thought of acquiring him.

Raph12
03-14-2012, 03:21 AM
Udoh can play, people haven't seen this guy on the court. Whenever he's out there, for some reason he just makes the team he's on better.

I'm going to be honest here, I saw him once this season and Dwight spent the whole night destroying him, Lee and Biedrins... So I can't say too much about him.

Sadds The Gr8
03-14-2012, 03:23 AM
Milwaukee wins this for the short term, because they get a 20 pt scorer that can help keep them in the playoff race, and essentially gave up 2 players that weren't playing to get him. But long term this trade makes absolutely zero ****ing sense for both teams.

PatsSoxKnicks
03-14-2012, 03:30 AM
I'm going to be honest here, I saw him once this season and Dwight spent the whole night destroying him, Lee and Biedrins... So I can't say too much about him.

I was looking at his synergy #'s and counterpart PER and his defensive #'s aren't that great (though his counterpart PER/eFG% at the PF position is pretty decent) and yet, again, the team is just better with him on the court. It's kind of crazy because this has been going on for 2 years now and even the adjusted metrics see his value in +/-.

I'll have to check him out at some point. Anyone know if he's a good screen setter? That could be one of the hidden elements that doesn't show up in his #'s. That's certainly where guys like Nick Collison and Tyson Chandler have excelled in that improves their +/- numbers vs. their advanced #'s.

Monta is beast
03-14-2012, 03:32 AM
Trade is official as the referee's whistle.

shep33
03-14-2012, 03:37 AM
I'm going to be honest here, I saw him once this season and Dwight spent the whole night destroying him, Lee and Biedrins... So I can't say too much about him.

Well to be fair, he isn't really a true center. He's 6'10 although he doesn't even look that big.

Last 5 games he's gotten significant minutes and is putting up a 12 ppg 6 rpg, a couple of blocks and he shoots his freethrows really well.

Also it's Dwight Howard vs Udoh, of course Howard is gonna crush him. I've seen the guy, and for some strange reason the team plays significantly better when he's out there.

I'm looking at the trade in this sense... The Bucks gave up 2 players who don't really play for them, for two starters on the Warriors (Udoh off and on starts). So essentially it's the current Bucks team + Monta Ellis + Udoh. I think they improve, Gstate is in this for next year so I'm starting to get it for them

Lim
03-14-2012, 04:33 AM
Lee is averaging 20-10 and is hustling hard on defense.

lee is one of the worst defensive 4s in the whole league. ya he can get u 20 and 10 but he cant guard my grand mother. that and having curry who is also allergic to defense is a recipe for disaster.

Monta is beast
03-14-2012, 04:43 AM
lee is one of the worst defensive 4s in the whole league. ya he can get u 20 and 10 but he cant guard my grand mother. that and having curry who is also allergic to defense is a recipe for disaster.

That's exactly why getting Bogut makes so much sense. Bogut is huge (7'0 & 270 lbs), so he's going to clog up the lane. Not only that, he's a premire shot blocker. So having Bogut at Center pretty much neglects Lee's defensive inabilties, even though he's been a beast lately (he just shut down Dirk). And Thompson is playing great defense, so that should help with Curry's inabilties. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Warriors trade Jackson for an expiring contract to sign someone like Robin Lopez.

abe_froman
03-14-2012, 05:12 AM
dont get why people are confused/hate this trade.a monta has never lead the warriors anywhere and they have thompson ,who looks good to take over for him and they needed a defensive anchor and competent center in the worst way ever since cliff ray was there.and while bogut is injury prone,he is that when healthy.

and for mil.they get scoring which they need in the worst way,and running mate for bj who might change his mind about bolting to bigger market like he said

Hopper15
03-14-2012, 05:18 AM
Finally Lacob does something right. Ellis was going to opt out of his contract next summer and the warriors could've lost him for nothing. Now they at least have one of best centers in the nba under contract another 2 seasons and Jackson's expiring contract for next season if they can't trade him before the deadline.

Eagles710
03-14-2012, 06:10 AM
i feel bad for ellis honestly lol

MILLERHIGHLIFE
03-14-2012, 06:35 AM
Excellent trade for the Bucks! Bucks trade two players not playing for a high scoring Ellis. No more under 100 scoring nights now and blowing lead in the 4th. Time to chase 7th seed to play Miami! We have their number!

MackShock
03-14-2012, 07:18 AM
Good luck getting Jennings and Monta to share the ball. And good luck with that small backcourt. I'm really rooting for Monta to do good, and hopefully get an All-Star appearance, since he deserves it. It's going to be hard for him and Jennings to co-exist. They said the same thing about him and Curry and they finally got along. But they didn't win any games. It may or may not be the same with the Bucks. I'm hoping Scott Skiles' disciplined team can change that.

pebloemer
03-14-2012, 08:16 AM
An Ellis Jennings backcourt confuses me.

I get why both teams did the deal, but seems odd.

Why didn't Golden State just draft Greg Monroe like they were projected to? Then they could keep Ellis and have their Center. Hindsight is 20/20, but the Udoh pick confused me at the time.

Milwaukee gets the best player in the deal, but it seems like an odd fit with Jennings.

Mr. Baller
03-14-2012, 08:24 AM
Excellent trade for the Bucks! Bucks trade two players not playing for a high scoring Ellis. No more under 100 scoring nights now and blowing lead in the 4th. Time to chase 7th seed to play Miami! We have their number!

:laugh2: I can't see a Monta and Jennings combo working out, and your defense just became a lot worse

Valkyrie
03-14-2012, 08:47 AM
The only way this dou can work if the league allows them to use 2 balls

time4change
03-14-2012, 09:01 AM
As a Milwaukee fan, I love the trade. I know Ellis needs the ball to be successful, but it's more then just that. He'll bring excitement to the Bradley Center and that's what we need.

I am curious to see how Skiles and Ellis are together, seeing as Monta doesn't love to play defense and all.

Overall no matter what any of you say this is a plus for Milwaukee because we get rid of that cancer Captain Jack, and we get Udoh.