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Chronz
03-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Let me just say I still consider them contenders, on sheer talent alone you have to respect their abilities. But assuming they ultimately fail, which of the following moves have been the biggest blunders based on what we know so far. Now some of these may not even be mistakes in your book, if so let it be known.



Replacing Farmar for Blake

Replacing Ariza for Artest

Hiring Mike Brown over Brian Shaw (or maybe Adelman)


I personally think all 3 were mistakes, Farmar is doing VERY well backing up Deron. Ariza was a 1 hit wonder but there is no question he knew how to play off Pau. Both were part of the athletic bench mob. Then of course theres Mike Brown, if PJ had to go, was he the best choice?

ManRam
03-08-2012, 07:03 PM
Brown was the worst. It made zero sense now, and makes less sense now. He was just an awful fit, and I'm not sure how others could have felt otherwise.

Letting Farmar go wouldn't have given me too many fits if I were a Laker fan...but it was definitely a huge mistake in hindsight. He'd be the best PG on the team by miles if he were still there. Ariza for Artest looked like a lateral move to me at the time. This year Ron has been awful and considerably worse than Ariza, but Trevor hasn't really outproduced him as a whole since they swapped places.

Brown is the worst, then Farmar, than Ron...

Avenged
03-08-2012, 07:07 PM
Let me just say I still consider them contenders, on sheer talent alone you have to respect their abilities. But assuming they ultimately fail, which of the following moves have been the biggest blunders based on what we know so far. Now some of these may not even be mistakes in your book, if so let it be known.



Replacing Farmar for Blake

Replacing Ariza for Artest

Hiring Mike Brown over Brian Shaw (or maybe Adelman)


I personally think all 3 were mistakes, Farmar is doing VERY well backing up Deron. Ariza was a 1 hit wonder but there is no question he knew how to play off Pau. Both were part of the athletic bench mob. Then of course theres Mike Brown, if PJ had to go, was he the best choice?

Haha oh man, this is tough since all 3 were bad.

I mean Ariza for Artest is an obvious mistake right now but at the time I don't think it was. Artest was solid when we got him, and his defense was still very good. He also came through in some clutch situations for the Lakers in the playoffs and was a contributor to the Lakers championship.

The Mike Brown hiring was bad but at least he has made the Lakers a good defensive team.

Now the PG situation... there are no positives about that. The Lakers just don't have the talent there. Farmar is putting up a very good season. PER of 18.8, TS% of 60. He's shooting 47% from the field, 46% from behind the arc, and is hitting his FT's at a very high rate at 91%

I don't think many people are aware on the improvement of Jordan Farmar. If the Lakers had him, I think they would be very very dangerous with his production this season.

shep33
03-08-2012, 07:09 PM
All 3 are bad.. Odom trade should be in there too.

I know the Lakers are struggling, but they're essentially tied (or 0.5) games behind the 3rd spot out west.

Randy West
03-08-2012, 07:11 PM
Adelman is showing you what he can do as a coach in Minny. I could just imagine Bryant and Gasol in that Princeton offense.....wow.

jsthornton7
03-08-2012, 07:12 PM
i dont have a problem with the odom trade. first three though were mistakes. in order ariza, brown, farmar. Although farmar was playing very poorly when they didnt resign him.

310Casper
03-08-2012, 07:12 PM
Brown was a big mistake, shoulda gotten Adelman. BUT, even having a trio of head coaches in Sloan/Riley/Phil Jackson at the same time would not win the current laker squad a ring this year. Theres just no way they can compete in a 7 game series with a team like OKC and THEN the Heat. Just no way....

I think the biggest mistake was not keeping Ariza and letting him go the Hornets. Instead the Lakers went with Artest. The team had a much more younger energetic feel with Ariza (along with Farmar and Sasha).

They also made a huge mistake in not signing any upgrade at the pg position the second they knew they would no longer use the triangle (post phil jackson era). Instead they decided to keep Fisher/Blake and hope for the best with a new system. Thats the biggest flaw on the team till this day. A simple above-average pg would drastically change the team and allow kobe to not have to hold the ball for 20 seconds on each play and create a play each and every time.

xILLN355
03-08-2012, 07:21 PM
trading kobe for divac!

JasonJohnHorn
03-08-2012, 07:24 PM
They should have hired Adleman for the head coaching vacancy. They'd have the best record in the league right now. Look what he's done for Minny... COY winner for sheezy!

Artest would be playing better if BROWN KNEW HOW TO RUN AND OFFENCE!!! And I like Blake... and Farmar wasnt that great. I think they are missing Shannon Brown though.

lakerboy
03-08-2012, 07:26 PM
Wow. Playoffs have not even started yet, but the blame game on our fall has began.

Chronz aren't you a Clipper fan. A thread like this about the Clippers would be very interesting

netsgiantsyanks
03-08-2012, 07:26 PM
mike brown. honestly, his record only looks amazing because of lebron.

shep33
03-08-2012, 07:28 PM
Again with all this being said, the Lakers are 0.5 games out of 3rd in the Western Conference lol. Seems like we should be a lottery team with all these threads

justinnum1
03-08-2012, 07:31 PM
I think everyone was shocked to here they hired brown. There were quite a few better options out there.

Avenged
03-08-2012, 07:37 PM
I think everyone was shocked to here they hired brown. There were quite a few better options out there.

Just goes to show the importance of coming well equipped to an interview.

The guys must have been impressive for him to land a coaching job with the Lakers.

Aust
03-08-2012, 07:46 PM
You only made Farmar an option because he hit that GW shot

championships
03-08-2012, 07:51 PM
I will say the hiring of Mike Brown

but I think all of those decisions have bitten us in the ***.

EYDI819
03-08-2012, 08:00 PM
i think letting go of ODOM should be number 1

OutOfTHEBLUE
03-08-2012, 08:04 PM
Hiring Brown over Adelman, no question.

PhillyFaninLA
03-08-2012, 08:13 PM
I picture the Lakers forum as a place full of nothing but crickets. I mean with all the topics that end in the main forum it must be empty.

RaiderLakersA's
03-08-2012, 08:13 PM
Let me just say I still consider them contenders, on sheer talent alone you have to respect their abilities. But assuming they ultimately fail, which of the following moves have been the biggest blunders based on what we know so far. Now some of these may not even be mistakes in your book, if so let it be known.



Replacing Farmar for Blake

Replacing Ariza for Artest

Hiring Mike Brown over Brian Shaw (or maybe Adelman)


I personally think all 3 were mistakes, Farmar is doing VERY well backing up Deron. Ariza was a 1 hit wonder but there is no question he knew how to play off Pau. Both were part of the athletic bench mob. Then of course theres Mike Brown, if PJ had to go, was he the best choice?

#3 AND not trading Pau, Odom and/or Bynum last year or during the offseason for a quality PG.

smith&wesson
03-08-2012, 08:18 PM
all three were bad moves.

farmar>black
shaw>brown
ariza>metta

also odom for tpe was brutal :facepalm:

Chronz
03-08-2012, 09:58 PM
You only made Farmar an option because he hit that GW shot
Ive been defending him long before that. Hes been putting up these #'s all year.

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-08-2012, 10:00 PM
Jerry Buss deciding his son Jimbaco was competent enough to take his reins along with the Lakers not knowing about this whole estate tax thing in the first place which has caused them to be in cost-cutting mode.

ldawg
03-09-2012, 12:44 AM
Lakers made many dumb moves or non moves.

Replacing Farmar for Blake
Replacing Ariza for Artest
trading Odom for peanuts
not trading Bynum for Bosh
not trading Bynum for cp3
not trading Pau for Scola, Martin, dragic
not cutting Walton
not getting beasley for a pick


Hiring Mike Brown over Brian Shaw

Sadds The Gr8
03-09-2012, 12:48 AM
where's the trading Odom option?

In this order I put it:

1. Trading Odom
2. Hiring Brown
3. trading Farmar
4. signing Artest

oak2455
03-09-2012, 01:01 AM
I think Kobe banging multiple women :)

Sota4Ever
03-09-2012, 01:08 AM
Thanks for not hiring Adelman. Brown is a lot better coach compared to Adelman. ;)

Hawkeye15
03-09-2012, 01:15 AM
Brown hire, easy. As a person who despises the Lakers, I couldn't have been happier when reading they hired Brown.

todu82
03-09-2012, 10:13 AM
Hiring Mike Brown. Why the Lakers hired him when there where many better choices available puzzles me.

OA SLAY
03-09-2012, 10:30 AM
How can Artest even be on the list?
If he doesnt grab that rebound Lakers have one less championship.
He obviously wasn't a long term solution.
And what the hell has ariza done in the past 3years?

Kobe2324
03-09-2012, 10:36 AM
Thats a tricky question for sure, I dont hate the brown hirring because our D was straight up awful last year and now we are one of the best defensive teams, our offense is awful now, I believe that is an easier fix then a team that does not play D. That being said maybe their was a better choice out there...Keeping ariza I think is a wash, they both have spurts where they play good and play bad, either way would't have changed much...blake didnt really come in for farmar, farmar left on his own so not much to say about that one, but maybe farmar is quicker, blake is the better shooter..

STA_PLAR
03-09-2012, 10:47 AM
I hate the lakers with a passion. But come playoff time I would rather face anyobdy else. They will always be the team to beat in the WEST. With or without FARMAR, BROWN or ARIZA.

3RDASYSTEM
03-09-2012, 10:57 AM
By having ESPN/*********** overhype a backup SG and put him on level of top 5 all time. a backup SG can be a top 5 player of alltime? Can one of yall PSD experts make me a list to where in any sport a top 5 player off alltime had to backup another non HOF caliber for basically 3yrs before he started then ended his career a top 5 player of all time by media? this has to be some of the funniest **** of alltime

ghettosean
03-09-2012, 10:58 AM
Let me just say I still consider them contenders, on sheer talent alone you have to respect their abilities. But assuming they ultimately fail, which of the following moves have been the biggest blunders based on what we know so far. Now some of these may not even be mistakes in your book, if so let it be known.



Replacing Farmar for Blake

Replacing Ariza for Artest

Hiring Mike Brown over Brian Shaw (or maybe Adelman)


I personally think all 3 were mistakes, Farmar is doing VERY well backing up Deron. Ariza was a 1 hit wonder but there is no question he knew how to play off Pau. Both were part of the athletic bench mob. Then of course theres Mike Brown, if PJ had to go, was he the best choice?
They are all pretty horrible but Brown was the worst since the whole team has been playing the triangle for so many years and became used to that system. I'll give the Ariza/Artest move a very close 2nd though.

I didn't think there was anything in the world that would stop the Lakers from resigning him because he was so valueable in there championship run but they proved me wrong and they are paying for it now :facepalm:

Rockice_8
03-09-2012, 12:18 PM
You only made Farmar an option because he hit that GW shot

Or the fact that Farmar has been bailing this year and is playing like one of the best backup PG's in the league.

LA can have him back if they take Petro too for that TPE.

blahblahyoutoo
03-09-2012, 12:41 PM
How can Artest even be on the list?
If he doesnt grab that rebound Lakers have one less championship.
He obviously wasn't a long term solution.
And what the hell has ariza done in the past 3years?

You're assuming ariza doesn't grab that rebound.
Ariza is an excellent wing defender, much better shooter, younger and more athletic.

I say ariza, then brown, then odom.

LakersA's49ers
03-09-2012, 12:46 PM
mistake 4. trading vujacic instead of someonelike walton. vujacic had value with that stroke. helped spread the offense out a little bit. mistake 5. letting it be known around the country that odom and gasol were goners.

MickeyMgl
03-09-2012, 12:47 PM
Let me just say I still consider them contenders, on sheer talent alone you have to respect their abilities. But assuming they ultimately fail, which of the following moves have been the biggest blunders based on what we know so far. Now some of these may not even be mistakes in your book, if so let it be known.



Replacing Farmar for Blake

Replacing Ariza for Artest

Hiring Mike Brown over Brian Shaw (or maybe Adelman)


I personally think all 3 were mistakes, Farmar is doing VERY well backing up Deron. Ariza was a 1 hit wonder but there is no question he knew how to play off Pau. Both were part of the athletic bench mob. Then of course theres Mike Brown, if PJ had to go, was he the best choice?

Number 3, easily. It was the only one of the three where the choice was entirely in their (Jim Buss') hands, and personal feelings were apparently brought into a business decision.

The other two weren't exactly mistakes, although the team was definitely put at a disadvantage. They were cases of the Lakers making the best of it after each player left, or was making keeping them difficult. Farmar wanted more playing time, so he left. Plain and simple. The team tried to re-sign Ariza, and made an offer pretty close to what he ended up with in Houston, but his agent started playing hardball in the media, so the Lakers went with an alternative in Artest. I think if it was up to Kupchak, he'd have kept both players.

The Brown over Shaw decision made no sense whatsoever, though. That was purely the desire of Jim Buss to move away from everything connected to Phil Jackson. Never mind that you'd have had a coach who already had a relationship with all the players, who would have been less affected by the shortened pre-season, coaching a system that had already gotten this group two championships and three Finals appearances.

As I said, personal feelings seem to have been brought into a business decision. I think Jim Buss has done it more than once, and this is just the most boneheaded example.

Cal827
03-09-2012, 12:48 PM
Brown. Shaw should have become the head coach.

Baller1
03-09-2012, 12:49 PM
I'm gonna go with the Odom trade; I'm aware he was upset, but what the **** were they thinking. Not only should they not have traded him, but they traded him to a fellow contender and got virtually nothing in return.

MagicHero3
03-09-2012, 12:52 PM
Mike brown hands down.

Look at their roster- the main peices really havent changed much since their last championship. They did lose Lamar, who was a critical role player. D-Fish ran out of gas apparently, but i still think Mike Brown is the most overrated coach. All he did was sit around in clevland and watch Lebron do his thing. Seriously...hes a horrible coach

MickeyMgl
03-09-2012, 12:53 PM
The Mike Brown hiring was bad but at least he has made the Lakers a good defensive team.

Brown is undoubtedly a specialist here, but I think he is being given more credit than he deserves for this. I think a reasonable case can be made that the Lakers were just tired last year after three long seasons, having played a total of six months extra basketball. Phil Jackson's teams were always among the leading defensive teams before that.

MickeyMgl
03-09-2012, 12:56 PM
Brown was a big mistake, shoulda gotten Adelman. BUT, even having a trio of head coaches in Sloan/Riley/Phil Jackson at the same time would not win the current laker squad a ring this year. Theres just no way they can compete in a 7 game series with a team like OKC and THEN the Heat. Just no way....

Their PG woes would have been far less of an issue under Phil Jackson or Brian Shaw.

amos1er
03-09-2012, 12:57 PM
Ive been defending him long before that. Hes been putting up these #'s all year.

For once we agree. As someone who grew up in the SFV, I've always been a fan of Farmar; he was homegrown. I always said that we should have kept him. Many Laker fans complained about him, and were so happy to get Blake. Farmar was always the leader of our bench mob and always gave good energy and effort....one of my fav Lakers from the championship squad. It was moronic to let him go. What do you expect from Jim Buss though, he is one of the worst owners in the NBA.

MickeyMgl
03-09-2012, 01:02 PM
Jerry Buss deciding his son Jimbaco was competent enough to take his reins along with the Lakers not knowing about this whole estate tax thing in the first place which has caused them to be in cost-cutting mode.

Again, as with the coaching decision, what makes this worse is that there was a very sensible alternative. I shouldn't even call it "alternative" because it seemed like the no-brainer option. Jeanie is the only Buss child who had been working on the inside of the business her whole adult life, attending NBA Governers' Board meetings, etc. Jim, by his own admission, had to take a crash course in running the business, and has proceeded to force out all the basketball people whom he has credited for tutoring him.

MickeyMgl
03-09-2012, 01:06 PM
Thats a tricky question for sure, I dont hate the brown hirring because our D was straight up awful last year and now we are one of the best defensive teams

There's nothing like the rest from an early playoff exit to refresh the legs and make the next coach look like a defensive wiz.