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Corey
03-05-2012, 03:08 PM
http://i.imgur.com/aMmuX.png

1) Derrick Rose
2) Russell Westbrook
3) Deron Williams
4) Tony Parker
5) Chris Paul

Interesting rankings, Mr. Bucher.

He gets paid for this?

Gators123
03-05-2012, 03:09 PM
:pity: Thats terrible.

Gram
03-05-2012, 03:09 PM
Lol.

Chronz
03-05-2012, 03:10 PM
Hes a loser, always has been

Baller1
03-05-2012, 03:10 PM
I like it!

Corey
03-05-2012, 03:11 PM
I like it!

I was 99% certain you were going to say something like that :laugh2:

TheWhiteMamba
03-05-2012, 03:13 PM
Rose
CP3
DWill
Rondo
Westbrook

PatsSoxKnicks
03-05-2012, 03:15 PM
He's an idiot, plain and simple. He also thinks Rose is the best player in the NBA so yeah, the dude should be fired for making listeners dumber.

Cano4prez
03-05-2012, 03:16 PM
This just proves that most credible analysts obviously think Derrick Rose is the best PG and a top 3 player in the NBA, right JB?

gbrl
03-05-2012, 03:17 PM
He's an idiot, plain and simple. He also thinks Rose is the best player in the NBA so yeah, the dude should be fired for making listeners dumber.

this, i remember his best players on the year and he had lebron like 5th or something

KnicksR4Real
03-05-2012, 03:18 PM
Ewww

Blink
03-05-2012, 03:19 PM
Gators123
Gram
Lionsfan..lol
Lukass
mike810

Kashmir13579
03-05-2012, 03:21 PM
Trying to rank today's PGs is a lost cause. I call it a wash, truth be told.

Baller1
03-05-2012, 03:21 PM
I was 99% certain you were going to say something like that :laugh2:

:laugh:

But in all seriousness, I want to hear his argument for CP3 being the fifth best PG.

mike44
03-05-2012, 03:24 PM
Not surprising, this is the same guy who thinks Westbrook is the Thunders best player...

He115ing
03-05-2012, 03:25 PM
what!!!!!??? Lin is not # 1!!!!!??? :facepalm: what a fail!

unleashthebeast
03-05-2012, 03:25 PM
LOL yeah I was watching this, absolutely pathetic. But, I didnt expect any better from Bucher, he is quite the idiot.

jmoney85
03-05-2012, 03:26 PM
guess you guys cant comprehend.... he said "SCORING" point guards

Sadds The Gr8
03-05-2012, 03:27 PM
he's a ****in dumbass. this reject said Kobe's 2010 game 7 finals was Jordan-esque...

Corey
03-05-2012, 03:28 PM
guess you guys cant comprehend.... he said "SCORING" point guards

No, he actually didn't.

He said "Players that play the point guard position that have the biggest impact on the game"

Might want to be correct if you're going to call someone else out for comprehension issues.

Giraffes Rule
03-05-2012, 03:31 PM
He got the order wrong, but I don't think I would argue with having that group as your top 5.

jmoney85
03-05-2012, 03:31 PM
No, he actually didn't.

He said "Players that play the point guard position that have the biggest impact on the game"

Might want to be correct if you're going to call someone else out for comprehension issues.

scoring point guards that have the biggest impact on the game

L2comprehend

The Final Boss
03-05-2012, 03:32 PM
He and Bayless are no different than the clowns in the NBA Forum.

RiLoc
03-05-2012, 03:32 PM
He's been a huge supporter of Westbrook for a long time. He's a terrible analyst. In his top 7 players in the NBA, he put Westbrook at number 7, leaving Durant of his list: citation (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1022202-rich-buchers-top-7-nba-players-how-off-was-he). On a NBA Today podcast, iirc the podcast he defended his top 7, he also said this years draft was going to be great because of the amazing point guard out of Kentucky, referring to Anthony Davis.

He's always been painful to listen to.

DLeeicious
03-05-2012, 03:34 PM
An atrocious list but better than his previous top 7 players list which went something like
1. Kobe
2. Rose
3. Lebron
4. Dwight
5. Wade
6. Dirk
7. Westbrook

No Durant but Westbrook makes it looool

Mcdoh
03-05-2012, 03:37 PM
westbrook and rose is in top 5..but dont know in which order..

kylem4711
03-05-2012, 03:37 PM
scoring point guards that have the biggest impact on the game

L2comprehend

i cant tell if you are serious. I sincerely hope you arent thaaaat dumb

Gritz
03-05-2012, 03:39 PM
So if you put Tony Parker on the Clippers instead of Paul what would their record be..

PTR35
03-05-2012, 03:41 PM
No, he actually didn't.

He said "Players that play the point guard position that have the biggest impact on the game"

Might want to be correct if you're going to call someone else out for comprehension issues.

If thats the case then I cant be mad at him for picking those 5 guys, they are all capable of taking over a game and carrying their team. Although I may switch out Parker for Rondo...but thats just me :D

raiderfaninTX
03-05-2012, 03:43 PM
1.lin
2.lin
3.lin
4.lin
5.lin

lol
but for real as a point guard

1. CP3
2. Williams
3. Rose
4. Rondo
5. Parker

cant put westbrook he has durant and never passes to him.

nickdymez
03-05-2012, 03:48 PM
lol@ PSD thinking they are more credible than a professional writer. Paul should be top 2. Other than that there's nothing wrong with the list. Maybe Rondo should be there, but who would you bump

Swashcuff
03-05-2012, 03:50 PM
lol@ PSD thinking they are more credible than a professional writer. Paul should be top 2. Other than that there's nothing wrong with the list. Maybe Rondo should be there, but who would you bump

You say what Chris Paul did to you Lakers last season do you really think Tony Parker is better than Paul?

Hawkeye15
03-05-2012, 03:51 PM
Trying to rank today's PGs is a lost cause. I call it a wash, truth be told.

you can't truly believe that.

Bucher has long been a writer in the moment, with minimal credibility imo.

Ebbs
03-05-2012, 03:51 PM
They should just hire me immediately.

waveycrockett
03-05-2012, 03:52 PM
Other than parker i agree. I wouldnt take CP3 over Dwill, WB,Rose

justinnum1
03-05-2012, 03:54 PM
rick :puke:er

3RDASYSTEM
03-05-2012, 03:55 PM
So BUCHER is stupid but HOLLINGER or whoever created that bs PER system is a genuis? so telling me to go and look at calculations have overthrown the 'eye' test factor....

Russell
Derrick
CP3
Rajon
DWill

6.Parker/Nash and whoever else

no order jus tops right now

tredigs
03-05-2012, 03:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/aMmuX.png

1) Derrick Rose
2) Russell Westbrook
3) Deron Williams
4) Tony Parker
5) Chris Paul

Interesting rankings, Mr. Bucher.

He gets paid for this?

I disagree heavily too, but for what it's worth they're all HOF caliber PG's having HOF caliber seasons. But I have no clue how someone could rationalize Chris Paul as last of the 5. #1 for me.

Their per-game stats this year:




Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Tony Parker 2011-12 29 36 36 34.3 7.3 15.9 .460 0.3 0.9 .265 4.3 5.4 .795 0.4 2.6 3.0 7.9 1.1 0.1 2.7 1.3 19.2
Chris Paul 2011-12 26 30 30 36.3 7.3 14.9 .491 1.4 3.2 .427 3.8 4.4 .850 0.7 2.8 3.5 8.4 2.2 0.1 2.2 2.3 19.7
Derrick Rose 2011-12 23 29 29 35.4 8.2 17.7 .465 1.4 4.4 .320 4.9 6.0 .817 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.7 0.9 0.7 2.8 1.4 22.8
R. Westbrook 2011-12 23 37 37 35.3 8.9 19.1 .469 0.8 2.7 .300 4.9 6.1 .817 1.5 3.4 4.8 5.5 1.8 0.3 4.1 2.2 23.6
Deron Williams 2011-12 27 37 37 37.1 7.5 18.0 .414 2.4 6.6 .361 5.3 6.2 .864 0.5 3.0 3.5 8.2 1.1 0.4 4.2 2.2 22.6





And Advanced:




Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Tony Parker 2011-12 29 36 1236 21.9 .524 .468 1.4 8.6 5.0 41.2 1.7 0.2 12.7 28.2 109 105 3.2 1.0 4.2 .164
Chris Paul 2011-12 26 30 1090 26.1 .587 .537 2.2 9.1 5.6 41.7 3.2 0.1 11.6 24.0 124 105 5.0 0.9 5.9 .258
Derrick Rose 2011-12 23 29 1028 25.3 .560 .505 2.0 8.1 5.1 38.6 1.4 1.4 12.2 29.6 116 101 4.0 1.4 5.4 .250
R. Westbrook 2011-12 23 37 1307 23.3 .544 .490 5.2 10.0 7.8 30.9 2.6 0.6 16.0 33.1 106 103 3.0 1.4 4.3 .159
Deron Williams 2011-12 27 37 1374 21.8 .546 .480 1.6 9.7 5.6 44.7 1.6 0.9 16.8 30.9 108 112 3.6 -0.1 3.5 .121




http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rosede01&y1=2012&p2=westbru01&y2=2012&p3=willide01&y3=2012&p4=parketo01&y4=2012&p5=paulch01&y5=2012



rick :puke:er

Haha eh yeah, agreed.

nickdymez
03-05-2012, 03:55 PM
You say what Chris Paul did to you Lakers last season do you really think Tony Parker is better than Paul?

I said Paul should be top 2. Him or Rose should be 1st. I dont get what your saying. I never said Tony Parker is better than Paul. I believe Parker belongs on this list though

DLeeicious
03-05-2012, 03:57 PM
lol@ PSD thinking they are more credible than a professional writer. Paul should be top 2. Other than that there's nothing wrong with the list. Maybe Rondo should be there, but who would you bump

lol

Pierzynski4Prez
03-05-2012, 03:58 PM
Bump CP3 up to 1 or 2, then the list is fine by me. You could make an argument for each of Parker, Nash, Rondo at the 5 spot though.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-05-2012, 04:04 PM
Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA still.

Paul
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Rondo

xILLN355
03-05-2012, 04:06 PM
I disagree heavily too, but for what it's worth they're all HOF caliber PG's having HOF caliber seasons. But I have no clue how someone could rationalize Chris Paul as last of the 5. #1 for me.

Their per-game stats this year:




Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Tony Parker 2011-12 29 36 36 34.3 7.3 15.9 .460 0.3 0.9 .265 4.3 5.4 .795 0.4 2.6 3.0 7.9 1.1 0.1 2.7 1.3 19.2
Chris Paul 2011-12 26 30 30 36.3 7.3 14.9 .491 1.4 3.2 .427 3.8 4.4 .850 0.7 2.8 3.5 8.4 2.2 0.1 2.2 2.3 19.7
Derrick Rose 2011-12 23 29 29 35.4 8.2 17.7 .465 1.4 4.4 .320 4.9 6.0 .817 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.7 0.9 0.7 2.8 1.4 22.8
R. Westbrook 2011-12 23 37 37 35.3 8.9 19.1 .469 0.8 2.7 .300 4.9 6.1 .817 1.5 3.4 4.8 5.5 1.8 0.3 4.1 2.2 23.6
Deron Williams 2011-12 27 37 37 37.1 7.5 18.0 .414 2.4 6.6 .361 5.3 6.2 .864 0.5 3.0 3.5 8.2 1.1 0.4 4.2 2.2 22.6





And Advanced:




Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Tony Parker 2011-12 29 36 1236 21.9 .524 .468 1.4 8.6 5.0 41.2 1.7 0.2 12.7 28.2 109 105 3.2 1.0 4.2 .164
Chris Paul 2011-12 26 30 1090 26.1 .587 .537 2.2 9.1 5.6 41.7 3.2 0.1 11.6 24.0 124 105 5.0 0.9 5.9 .258
Derrick Rose 2011-12 23 29 1028 25.3 .560 .505 2.0 8.1 5.1 38.6 1.4 1.4 12.2 29.6 116 101 4.0 1.4 5.4 .250
R. Westbrook 2011-12 23 37 1307 23.3 .544 .490 5.2 10.0 7.8 30.9 2.6 0.6 16.0 33.1 106 103 3.0 1.4 4.3 .159
Deron Williams 2011-12 27 37 1374 21.8 .546 .480 1.6 9.7 5.6 44.7 1.6 0.9 16.8 30.9 108 112 3.6 -0.1 3.5 .121




http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rosede01&y1=2012&p2=westbru01&y2=2012&p3=willide01&y3=2012&p4=parketo01&y4=2012&p5=paulch01&y5=2012




Haha eh yeah, agreed.

westbrook really averages 19FGA? jesus lol

THE_G.O.A.T.
03-05-2012, 04:06 PM
Switch Parker and Paul and I'd say the list is pretty good.

JoeyBoy718
03-05-2012, 04:09 PM
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Tony Parker
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Steve Nash

Longhornfan1234
03-05-2012, 04:15 PM
Tony Parker just ate up Chris Paul and does it routinely. I don't like the guy but he's real good. Rondo also kills Paul every matchup. Rose has become Rondo's worst match-up because of his explosiveness. Williams is too big for every point guard in the league and is definitely the best scorer but he is unselfish. Westbrook is not a point guard. Rondo is without a doubt the best defensive point guard in the last 15 years.

The goods
03-05-2012, 04:16 PM
I saw this to and was like wow westbrook is second best PG in his eyes? Wow and tony parker is better than rondo? I don't think so. I have to give nash a spot the fact that he's leading the league in assist with that team is beyond me,any PG that leads the league in assist deserves a top 5 spot because that's what their suppose to do get teammates involved.

Rose
D.will
Cp3
Rondo
Nash

The goods
03-05-2012, 04:18 PM
With his list I'm surprised fisher isn't on it. Lol

Azzacadabra
03-05-2012, 04:18 PM
Everybody criticizes his list but a lot of people wouldn't have the nuts to go on national tv and put their lists up.

I also wonder why he refused to include traditional point guards for the sake of discussion.

WeBallin
03-05-2012, 04:20 PM
Take DW, an TP off, an replace them with Rondo, an Nash.. then i would have to agree.

THE GIPPER
03-05-2012, 04:23 PM
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Tony Parker
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Steve Nash

good list

Chronz
03-05-2012, 04:42 PM
So BUCHER is stupid but HOLLINGER or whoever created that bs PER system is a genuis?
Yes x 1000


so telling me to go and look at calculations have overthrown the 'eye' test factor....

This makes no sense.


lol@ PSD thinking they are more credible than a professional writer. Paul should be top 2. Other than that there's nothing wrong with the list. Maybe Rondo should be there, but who would you bump

Thats what makes him an idiot, he has arguably the best PG in the game barely in his top 5.

DLCK
03-05-2012, 05:05 PM
I really dont have an issue with his rankings. Maybe they are not in right order but he does have the 5 best PG in the league in his top 5.

SmartestGuyHere
03-05-2012, 05:24 PM
Where's Derek Fisher? ESPN is terrible.

kArSoN RyDaH
03-05-2012, 05:42 PM
1. Chris Paul
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Russel Westbrook
4. Derrick Rose
5. Deron Williams

Lakeshow24KB
03-05-2012, 05:45 PM
Drose
CP3
Westy
Rondo
Nash

lavell12
03-05-2012, 05:47 PM
1. Rose
2. Paul
3. Westbrook
4. Williams
5. Rondo
6. Parker
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Lin

Jint.
03-05-2012, 05:49 PM
gross.

wjmoffatt
03-05-2012, 05:57 PM
What's wrong with the top two? Rose and Westbrook are the best defensive PGs in the league, along with Rondo. They both can shot the ball like DWill, and unlike anyone else they are by far the fastest in the game, not to mention they'd post up the other guys with their huge size in height.

Kashmir13579
03-05-2012, 06:07 PM
you can't truly believe that.

Bucher has long been a writer in the moment, with minimal credibility imo.

Bucher is an idiot. But in a way i actually do believe what i said. There is a fist-full of ridiculously talented PGs in the nba, each with their different styles of play and skillset. It really comes down to preference. For a position as nuanced as the PG, there are just too many factors to take into account to definitively rank them. At least right now. If there weren't so many great PGs it would be easier.

D-Leethal
03-05-2012, 06:12 PM
Trying to rank today's PGs is a lost cause. I call it a wash, truth be told.

Seriously, you could scramble the top 5 based on what day of the week it is and you could present a legitimate argument for it.

97NYer
03-05-2012, 06:16 PM
Rose
CP3
Rondo
Westbrook
Deron
Tony Parker

Kashmir13579
03-05-2012, 06:16 PM
Seriously, you could scramble the top 5 based on what day of the week it is and you could present a legitimate argument for it.

Agreed. Too much talent to quantify.

Bishnoff
03-05-2012, 06:19 PM
http://i.imgur.com/aMmuX.png

1) Derrick Rose
2) Russell Westbrook
3) Deron Williams
4) Tony Parker
5) Chris Paul

Interesting rankings, Mr. Bucher.

He gets paid for this?

That is ridiculous.

JNA17
03-05-2012, 06:22 PM
You know whats funny? I covered the screen after I clicked into this thread and just guessed what the top 5 would be here. And I was 4/5 correct lmao.

My guess:
1. Rose
2. Westbrook
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Chris Paul

I got it wrong on number 4 though and he said Tony Parker. Its like I almost know Ric's personality :laugh:.

But to be fair, CP3 stats wise (those shiny numbers we all love so much) has not exactly been up to par as of late. its much better then last year's injury year for sure but for a guy that now has players like blake griffin, Jordan, Butler, etc. On the team, he's only averaging 8.4 assists. And he's shooting the ball much more then before. What happened to the pass first CP3? Now all of a sudden its almost rare for him to get 10 or more assists a game when a guy like Rondo or Nash can get that and more easily every game.

Speaking of which, how is a rookie PG only .1 assists behind CP3 (Rubio) and a role player (Calderon) averaging more assists then Paul? Seriously Paul, your turning into Rose :(.

With that said, my top 5 is still this.

1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Russell Westbrook

northsider
03-05-2012, 06:23 PM
You know whats funny? I covered the screen after I clicked into this thread and just guessed what the top 5 would be here. And I was 4/5 correct lmao.

My guess:
1. Rose
2. Westbrook
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Chris Paul

I got it wrong on number 4 though and he said Tony Parker. Its like I almost know Ric's personality :laugh:.

But to be fair, CP3 stats wise (those shiny numbers we all love so much) has not exactly been up to par as of late. its much better then last year's injury year for sure but for a guy that now has players like blake griffin, Jordan, Butler, etc. On the team, he's only averaging 8.4 assists. And he's shooting the ball much more then before. What happened to the pass first CP3? Now all of a sudden its almost rare for him to get 10 or more assists a game when a guy like Rondo or Nash can get that and more easily every game.

Speaking of which, how is a rookie PG only .1 assists behind CP3 (Rubio) and a role player (Calderon) averaging more assists then Paul? Seriously Paul, your turning into Rose :(.

With that said, my top 5 is still this.

1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Russell Westbrook

LOL I was unaware that is a bad thing. The assist to me is a very misleading stat almost like RBI's as its not a independent stat. It is still a good measure however it like allot of other stats aren't without its flaws in how people continue to preach them.

PapelbonLester
03-05-2012, 06:24 PM
POINT GUARDS or Scoring guards aka Allen Iversons?

Point Guards you gotta go with

1. Chris Paul
2. D-Rose
3. Steve Nash
4. Tony Parker
5. Rajon Rondo

As good as D-will is hes the most inconsistant PG ive ever seen one game hes amazing the next you question why he starts. As good as Westbrook is hes another Allen Iverson. He aint a PG!!!!! hes a short 2!!!! Chris Paul imo is easy number 1. Rose is a great scorer which helps him make number 2. Steve Nash is top 5 passers all time. Parker is the most underrated PG becasue he always played with Duncan and now hes rotting away on the same team. And Rondo well Rondo is just amazing after Sunday vs the Knicks id be stupid to leave him out. Hes amazing and quite frankly i hate the celtics. Gotta admit if they delt him id be 1 happy guy :)

Avenged
03-05-2012, 06:25 PM
1. Chris Paul
2. Rose
3a Deron
3b Westbrook
5. Tony Parker

amos1er
03-05-2012, 06:29 PM
this, i remember his best players on the year and he had lebron like 5th or something

lol @ Lebron at fifth.











I wouldn't even put him in my top five.

JNA17
03-05-2012, 06:41 PM
LOL I was unaware that is a bad thing. The assist to me is a very misleading stat almost like RBI's as its not a independent stat. It is still a good measure however it like allot of other stats aren't without its flaws in how people continue to preach them.

Heh well its a bad thing when Paul in the past has averaging Magic Johnson like numbers lol.

I know this already, but it still surprising for a guy that is usually always
pass first average only one assist higher then a shoot first PG (Rose). Then you see PGs who can get 10 or more assists in there sleep with arguably worse teammates (Rondo and Nash).

ChongInc.
03-05-2012, 06:42 PM
westbrook and his 5/4 A/TO ratio?

DChibes
03-05-2012, 06:43 PM
Can someone please explain why saying Rose is the Best PG in the NBA is wrong?

Ok sure he doesn't get alot of assists but who cares? Ill take the points and leadership over him dishing the ball to Boozer:facepalm:

D-Rose is the best and I really dont understand the hate for him. He is a classy player and can just take over a game. I cant see any reason to hate the guys unless your jealous or hate the Bulls in general.

nickdymez
03-05-2012, 06:44 PM
Thats what makes him an idiot, he has arguably the best PG in the game barely in his top 5.

Its his opinion buddy

Kuya_Clive
03-05-2012, 06:50 PM
Can someone please explain why saying Rose is the Best PG in the NBA is wrong?

Ok sure he doesn't get alot of assists but who cares? Ill take the points and leadership over him dishing the ball to Boozer:facepalm:

D-Rose is the best and I really dont understand the hate for him. He is a classy player and can just take over a game. I cant see any reason to hate the guys unless your jealous or hate the Bulls in general.

It isn't necessarily that Rose is number one, it's that the order of the ranking are ridiculous. Paul at #5 is awful, he is #2 at the worst and #1 on many peoples' lists.

JasonJohnHorn
03-05-2012, 06:51 PM
Rose and CP3 should be 1 and 2, and I don't care which one gets 1, and which one gets 2, they are both worthy. D-Will is next and I dont care who follows after that. This is re-donkulous!

smiddy012
03-05-2012, 07:00 PM
Rose and CP3 should be 1 and 2, and I don't care which one gets 1, and which one gets 2, they are both worthy. D-Will is next and I dont care who follows after that. This is re-donkulous!

This, this, and this. Now if we're talking best overall players who happen to be PGs, then DRose is certainly number one IMO, but if we're talking best PGs as in the definition of PG, a solid case can very much be made for CP3 at #1. The top 3 PGs are pretty damn close, then there's a dropoff.

On another note Nash is not a top 5 PG anymore, doesn't have the all-around solid game to be in the top 5. Westbrook is not top 3 by any length of the imagination.

Kidd>>>K-Mart
03-05-2012, 07:05 PM
I unfollwed Rich Bucher on twitter after seeing this.

ManRam
03-05-2012, 07:05 PM
Bucher is the worst they have IMO. They have some smart guys, but having Paul at #5 is indefensible. I could live (not that I agree with) the rest of it if Paul was 1 or 2...but he can't be 5. That's not him having an opinion, that's him just being flat out wrong.

It's really Paul/Rose and then you can debate after that. You can't debate before establishing that...

RonE Coleman
03-05-2012, 07:05 PM
POINT GUARDS
1. CP3
2. rose
3. D will
4. Rondo
5. Toss between nash n parker

Put westbrick on clippers, spurs, bulls etc. and he makes them worse.... He benifits from having durant n harden... Dude is so overrated

JNA17
03-05-2012, 07:10 PM
It isn't necessarily that Rose is number one, it's that the order of the ranking are ridiculous. Paul at #5 is awful, he is #2 at the worst and #1 on many peoples' lists.

honestly, who cares? People are stupid. People also think that dubstep is music.

I mean what are people posting in this thread doing basically? Were insulting a guy that has an opinion on what players HE THINKS is right, an opinion that is very subjective. He's not more right in what he says nor are you or anybody else more right then him. Yet, we still type aggressively on are keyboards "****ING IDIOT!!! HOW DOES THIS GUY HAVE A JOBZ!? THAT IS FREAKING GAY!"

I disagree with his list and so some other people, but it doesn't mean were right or he's right. This is an subjective opinion and were all, especially as fans of different teams, very bias.

naps
03-05-2012, 07:15 PM
CP3

D-Will
Westbrook
Rose
Nash/Rondo

Bruno
03-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Cp3 5th?

:laugh2:

smiddy012
03-05-2012, 07:21 PM
CP3

D-Will
Westbrook
Rose
Nash/Rondo

Do you have any idea how much better Oklahoma would be with Rose instead of Westbrook???

Obviously not.

amos1er
03-05-2012, 07:22 PM
CP3 should be number one...the rest are debatable. But the order goes like this for me.

1. CP3
2-4. Rose, Rondo, Williams in no particular order
5-7. Nash, Westbrook, Parker in no particular order

Funny how everyone is on CP3's nuts and can admit that he is the best pg in the league, but I'm sure if he came to the Lakers the majority of the NBA forum would hate him and call him overrated.

BKLYNpigeon
03-05-2012, 07:25 PM
He's an idiot, plain and simple. He also thinks Rose is the best player in the NBA so yeah, the dude should be fired for making listeners dumber.

he's actually paid for his opinion. lol.

justinnum1
03-05-2012, 07:30 PM
Bucher is turning into the skip bayelss of nba reporters(i wont even call him an insider since he doesn't know ****)

He just says things to get a rise out of people.

xbrackattackx
03-05-2012, 07:32 PM
How is Fisher not top 5????

Corey
03-05-2012, 07:36 PM
Everybody criticizes his list but a lot of people wouldn't have the nuts to go on national tv and put their lists up.

I also wonder why he refused to include traditional point guards for the sake of discussion.

1) He's getting paid. Anyone on this website would piece together a top 5 point guard list for money. It doesn't take a large amount of skill to stand in front of a camera and talk about something you're familiar with.

2) He did include traditional point guards. He had a list of 10 players to choose from, including Rondo, Nash, Irving, etc....and still chose the list and order that he did.

His reasoning was 'who has the biggest impact on the game'.

mavwar53
03-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Are you serious, if you don't respect the guys opinions just don't read what he has to say, and this thread shouldn't be in the NBA forum it should be in the "I'm *****ing cause I don't work for ESPN forum" or "ESPN sucks forum" cause this is a thread complaining about Rich Bucher and nothing else, who give as fukc

Redskins10
03-05-2012, 07:59 PM
What a scrub. That has to be for shock value.

TmacBryant
03-05-2012, 08:01 PM
rose
cp3
dwill
rondo
westbrook

+1

JWO35
03-05-2012, 08:03 PM
1. JWO35
---everyone else
Gators123
Gram
Lionsfan..lol
Lukass
mike810
Fixed

metsbulls1025
03-05-2012, 08:10 PM
It is so funny how people get worked up over these things. It is not only opinion based, but on top of that non of them factor in any stats. Every analyst has there favorite players and that is how you get their ranking. Weather it be player or team.

Romo2Bryant
03-05-2012, 08:26 PM
D. Rose
C. Paul
D. Williams
R. Rondo
R. Westbrook

DerekRE_3
03-05-2012, 08:29 PM
How Isaiah Thomas isn't top 3 I have no idea.

dee279
03-05-2012, 08:32 PM
1. Rose
2. Paul
3. Westbrook
4. Williams
5. Rondo
6. Parker
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Lin

Didnt look too bad till you put Lin in there.

thedfactor
03-05-2012, 08:33 PM
Bucher isn't that smart, he says stuff half of us on this site could also say but better

SportsAndrew25
03-05-2012, 08:34 PM
Not saying this is the best list, but I think it is more logical.

1) Rose
2) CP3
3) Williams
4) Rondo
5) Irving

dee279
03-05-2012, 08:37 PM
How is putting Kyrie Irving over Westbrook more Logical?

Lakeshow24KB
03-05-2012, 08:37 PM
Not saying this is the best list, but I think it is more logical.

1) Rose
2) CP3
3) Williams
4) Rondo
5) Irving

Irving better than Nash? Westbrook? :facepalm:

SportsAndrew25
03-05-2012, 08:37 PM
I cannot understand how Bucher ranks CP3 so low. This guy is one of the key reasons why the Clippers are even a contender this year.

NoahH
03-05-2012, 08:38 PM
CP3
DWill
Rose
Westbrook
Rondo

acehigh03
03-05-2012, 08:47 PM
Lmao bucher been trolln for years

Chi StateOfMind
03-05-2012, 08:48 PM
Paul and Rose are 1a and 1b. Everyone else i dont care in what order.

CudiOnMyiPod
03-05-2012, 08:53 PM
Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Derrick Rose (still like 23), Russell Westbrook, Brandon Knight, Ricky Rubio, and Tyreke Evans (possibly) are the future top PG of the NBA.

Beltrans Mole
03-05-2012, 08:54 PM
The funniest part is that he doesn't include Deron Williams in the top 5 literally the day after he drops 57 points lol...what a clown.

metsbulls1025
03-05-2012, 09:02 PM
I cannot understand how Bucher ranks CP3 so low. This guy is one of the key reasons why the Clippers are even a contender this year.

Because all these analysts have their bias towards players and teams. Not to mention every single one of them are stubborn as hell. They will defend a certain team(s) or player(s) until they are blue in the face. CP3 isn't higher on his list because he thinks he is a bad player. CP3 isn't on his list because he has ridiculous reasons why 4 other players are better than him. Like I stated before most of these guys don't look at stats. They just pick a player(s) and ride them out. It is a mixture of personnel preference and bias. That is all.

Just like on here we have so very credible posters who use advanced stats very well. However even they sometimes get caught being bias towards players for whatever reason. Given some of the reactions on here you would think this was supposed to be the be all end all list.

Chronz
03-05-2012, 09:19 PM
Its his opinion buddy

One you disagree with. Clearly his opinion has no merit.

tr3ymill3r
03-05-2012, 09:32 PM
He also prefaced this before the rankings stating that it wasn't based on pure PG ability such as distributing and passing, yet how the league has evolved and PGs are more scorers than passers.

If we are going to bash people, make sure that everything is included not just bits and pieces, otherwise it's just slander.

superwill
03-05-2012, 09:34 PM
ok i see some people on here just see what they want to see and want to make stuff up the man said new age type point he even said it when he stared the list he chris paul was number 5 because he is a pass first pg rose is score first pg thats a new age pg thats why westbrook that high the list is of scoring pg look at it on that list chris paul should is in the right spot thats also why rondo is not on the list he more of a passer anyone of those cold lead a team in scoring

Fnom11
03-05-2012, 09:51 PM
1a Rose
1b CP3 (interchangable)
3 Dwill
4 Rondo
5 Parker

I think Westbrooks play has him rising up there though, too many T.Os and bad shots for my liking however.

celtNYpatsHeels
03-05-2012, 10:08 PM
this, i remember his best players on the year and he had lebron like 5th or something

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1021729-ric-bucher-espn-analyst-moronic-to-exclude-kevin-durant-from-nbas-top-7-stars

Actually lebron is 3rd behind rose and kobe. not in his top 7 is Kevin Durant. included in his top 7 is russel westbrook.

ESPN clearly hires guys that know the game

UPRock
03-05-2012, 10:21 PM
That's a big fail if you ask me.

naps
03-05-2012, 10:22 PM
Do you have any idea how much better Oklahoma would be with Rose instead of Westbrook???

Obviously not.

Do you have any idea how much Rose would shrink had he played with kevin Durant? do you have any idea how well the bulls play even without derrick rose? do you have any idea how much you discredit the rest of the bulls roster just to make derrick rose even greater?

obviously not.



see how that works? you cannot prove what you claimed.

RonE Coleman
03-05-2012, 11:05 PM
WOW just saw his 6-10 list... he had Irving in front of Nash... that is just awful!

onlythisfar41
03-05-2012, 11:25 PM
Maybe hes just doing it to be an *******

Aust
03-06-2012, 12:31 AM
lol no love for Rondo. It's hard to really put a ranking on all those amazing talents. Let's just say their all really good

Yanks All Day
03-06-2012, 12:51 AM
Paul
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Rondo
Parker
Nash

mychisports
03-06-2012, 01:11 AM
I love how Bulls fans mostly stay out of these PG threads these days. Last year 20 Bulls fans would have been in here arguing for 57 pages how Derrick Rose is better than D.Will and Chris Paul. This year, Bulls fans are all chill and laid back...they don't even care about any of this crap.

With the defense Rose is playing this year, the conversation has to be how do you rank #2-5. Rose is a top 3 player in the NBA with Lebron and Durant. Chris Paul is great, but anyone that would take him over Rose is just biased against the Bulls, or is delusional. Rose consistently dominates his matchups with the other top PGs.

smiddy012
03-06-2012, 01:35 AM
Do you have any idea how much Rose would shrink had he played with kevin Durant? do you have any idea how well the bulls play even without derrick rose? do you have any idea how much you discredit the rest of the bulls roster just to make derrick rose even greater?

obviously not.



see how that works? you cannot prove what you claimed.


You're right RW is statistically better than Rose. Rose isn't even top 3. And it's not like Rose has the distribution skills or unselfishness to work with Durant.

Raph12
03-06-2012, 01:55 AM
I don't get why guys like this have a job analyzing basketball at ESPN... Seriously, why?

Shortys4711
03-06-2012, 05:34 AM
I saw this to and was like wow westbrook is second best PG in his eyes? Wow and tony parker is better than rondo? I don't think so. I have to give nash a spot the fact that he's leading the league in assist with that team is beyond me,any PG that leads the league in assist deserves a top 5 spot because that's what their suppose to do get teammates involved.

Rose
D.will
Cp3
Rondo
Nash

Good post. Nash never get much love when it comes to top 5 pg. Like you said he leads the league in assits and with not a lot of great players around him. If he had better players like in the past he would be around 15apg easy not only that, if he took as many shot as half the other guys on the list hes ppg would move up heaps. Even at his age Nash is still in the top 5 without question.

rockets-fan
03-06-2012, 06:09 AM
1. Rose
2. Paul
3. Westbrook
4. Williams
5. Rondo
6. Parker
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Lin

:facepalm:

to not have kyle lowry in top 10 pgs in just :facepalm:

and o have lin,irvin lawson before him is :facepalm:

rockbottom2010
03-06-2012, 07:35 AM
Not surprising, this is the same guy who thinks Westbrook is the Thunders best player...

its hard to say....bucher has a point.....westbrook is also a scoring machine..durant didn't really prove anything...he juss averages 30 points a game....so ya...we'll see down the road

SaimuKala
03-06-2012, 07:48 AM
:facepalm:

to not have kyle lowry in top 10 pgs in just :facepalm:

and o have lin,irvin lawson before him is :facepalm:

:facepalm:lol maybe he forgot about him. you don't have to facepalm 3 times if he made a mistake.

rockets-fan
03-06-2012, 08:27 AM
:facepalm:lol maybe he forgot about him. you don't have to facepalm 3 times if he made a mistake.

fair enough...but it deserves at least one

kdspurman
03-06-2012, 10:35 AM
1a Rose
1b CP3 (interchangable)
3 Dwill
4 Rondo
5 Parker

I think Westbrooks play has him rising up there though, too many T.Os and bad shots for my liking however.

Agree with this list. Westbrook's good, but I think can be a bit overrated sometimes.

mike44
03-06-2012, 11:19 AM
its hard to say....bucher has a point.....westbrook is also a scoring machine..durant didn't really prove anything...he juss averages 30 points a game....so ya...we'll see down the road

I dont think its really hard to say, I see Durant as a top 3 player at this point. They take baiscally the same amount of shots except Durant averages 5 more points. Westbrook averages 5.5 assists per game and 4.1 turnovers, not what you want out of a point guard. Rus is a great player and scorer but I dont know how you only average 5 assists a game as the starting point guard with Durant on your team.

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 12:55 PM
Imo the top 3 Pgs in the league are interchangeable. Any one of Rose, Deron or Chris could be "the best PG in the NBA" on any given night. People have to stop ranking them as 1, 2, 3 and start ranking them as 1a, 1b, 1c...

no. you want to say Rose and CP3 are interchangeable based on team needs, fine, but not DWill. He's a step behind Rose and Paul.

celtNYpatsHeels
03-06-2012, 02:01 PM
no. you want to say Rose and CP3 are interchangeable based on team needs, fine, but not DWill. He's a step behind Rose and Paul.

Over the last 4 seasons

Williams - 20.2pts, 9.9asst, 45%fg, 919 shot attempts per season

Rose - 21pts, 6.8assts, 46.7%fg, 1,176 shot attempts

Yeah id say they are interchangeable

Titan2k8
03-06-2012, 02:06 PM
Who cares??

Its one guy's opinion. It's an opinion. Get over it!

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 02:24 PM
Over the last 4 seasons

Williams - 20.2pts, 9.9asst, 45%fg, 919 shot attempts per season

Rose - 21pts, 6.8assts, 46.7%fg, 1,176 shot attempts

Yeah id say they are interchangeable

not really, Rose is the catalyst for the best team in the NBA for the past 2 seasons, not to mention he is the reigning MVP and phenomenal leader. DWill on the other hand has good stats, but is a troll coach killer with a bad attitude, who also doesnt effect winning much. So no they're not interchangeable at all.

celtNYpatsHeels
03-06-2012, 02:37 PM
not really, Rose is the catalyst for the best team in the NBA for the past 2 seasons, not to mention he is the reigning MVP and phenomenal leader. DWill on the other hand has good stats, but is a troll coach killer with a bad attitude, who also doesnt effect winning much. So no they're not interchangeable at all.

Well you are clearly a Bulls fan so your vision is clouded. Are you going to say Williams wasnt the catalyst in Utah? Yes he now plays for the Nets, who blow so he is often overlooked.

And also, the Bulls seemed to be rolling just fine when Rose was injured. So yes Williams, Rose, and Paul are definitely all interchangable. And its no knock on Rose because 2 years ago people didnt have him in their top 10 PGs

DragonJaii
03-06-2012, 02:43 PM
i thought lin was top 5.. what happened?

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 02:45 PM
Well you are clearly a Bulls fan so your vision is clouded. Are you going to say Williams wasnt the catalyst in Utah? Yes he now plays for the Nets, who blow so he is often overlooked.

And also, the Bulls seemed to be rolling just fine when Rose was injured. So yes Williams, Rose, and Paul are definitely all interchangable. And its no knock on Rose because 2 years ago people didnt have him in their top 10 PGs

He didnt win anything in Utah and ended up getting his legendary coach fired cuz he's a douchebag. And as you can see, he has gone to NJ and brought that franchise back from the dead. (sarcasm) You put DRose on that NJ team and they are in the playoffs this season. I realize Dwill is one of the best in the league and has a good skill set, but he just doesnt help his team and teammates get better the way forces like Rose and Paul do. I would take Westbrook before i took DWill.

celtNYpatsHeels
03-06-2012, 02:51 PM
He didnt win anything in Utah and ended up getting his legendary coach fired cuz he's a douchebag. And as you can see, he has gone to NJ and brought that franchise back from the dead. (sarcasm) You put DRose on that NJ team and they are in the playoffs this season. I realize Dwill is one of the best in the league and has a good skill set, but he just doesnt help his team and teammates get better the way forces like Rose and Paul do. I would take Westbrook before i took DWill.

Ok well he did get to the western conference finals and get knocked out by the eventual champs. then lost 4-3 to the lakers who ended up in the finals. so no he hasnt "won" anything but he has been just as far as rose.

And DRose on NJ??? no way they are a playoff team.

Rose, Morrow, Brooks, whoever their SF is, Humphries and Okur is a lottery team.

How does Williams not help his teammates be better but Rose does??? You realize Williams crushes Rose in assists right

And the fact that you would take Westbrook over Williams just shows that you value athletecism and sportscenter plays rather than what a PG should be

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 02:57 PM
Ok well he did get to the western conference finals and get knocked out by the eventual champs. then lost 4-3 to the lakers who ended up in the finals. so no he hasnt "won" anything but he has been just as far as rose.

And DRose on NJ??? no way they are a playoff team.

Rose, Morrow, Brooks, whoever their SF is, Humphries and Okur is a lottery team.

How does Williams not help his teammates be better but Rose does??? You realize Williams crushes Rose in assists right

And the fact that you would take Westbrook over Williams just shows that you value athletecism and sportscenter plays rather than what a PG should be

I dont at all, i just dont like DWills makeup. He doesnt seem to be much of a leader and he sure as hell doesnt have the drive or leadership of Rose, he comes off very much like a mercenary. And i promise you, DRose makes that NJ a playoff team. Its not just about assists and stat lines.

Rockice_8
03-06-2012, 03:04 PM
He didnt win anything in Utah and ended up getting his legendary coach fired cuz he's a douchebag. And as you can see, he has gone to NJ and brought that franchise back from the dead. (sarcasm) You put DRose on that NJ team and they are in the playoffs this season. I realize Dwill is one of the best in the league and has a good skill set, but he just doesnt help his team and teammates get better the way forces like Rose and Paul do. I would take Westbrook before i took DWill.


No way, not a chance, he's good but not that good. A healthy Lopez all year and yes they'd probably be in the playoffs but not with the injury plagued season the Nets had all year. They're finally getting healthy and Lopez rolls an ankle, it's been like that all year. Rose isn't carrying a rookie (Brooks) and Hump to the playoffs.

Rose
CP3
D-Will
Westbrook (might find his way into the top 3 very soon)

after those 4 it's a total crap shoot
Nash
Rondo
I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else

celtNYpatsHeels
03-06-2012, 03:04 PM
And I promise you, Rose doesnt make NJ a playoff team. But he would probably average 30 shot attemps per night on the Nets w/o Lopez, so he'd make sportscenters top 10 a lot

Kashmir13579
03-06-2012, 03:04 PM
I dont at all, i just dont like DWills makeup. He doesnt seem to be much of a leader and he sure as hell doesnt have the drive or leadership of Rose, he comes off very much like a mercenary. And i promise you, DRose makes that NJ a playoff team. Its not just about assists and stat lines.

Lebron is likely to be the only player that could get them into the playoffs as currently constructed.

Kashmir13579
03-06-2012, 03:05 PM
And I promise you, Rose doesnt make NJ a playoff team. But he would probably average 30 shot attemps per night on the Nets w/o Lopez

Lets take it a step further, does Rose make the BOBCATS a playoff team too? LMFAO. jesus.

BULLSFAN0810
03-06-2012, 03:16 PM
To all the haters ...the list is correct!

Rose crushed dwill...in utah and in nj..in utah dwill went as far as saying hes unstoppable.

He crushed cp3 in l.a...look at the game,if you need it,i got it on tape...he had cp3 frooze...i have never ever seen cp3 look like he has vs anyone like he has vs rose.

Rondo....he (rose) answered it 2 seasons ago.

Westbrook.....a poor mans rose...better defensively,so it seems...

And to who ever said rose couldnt make the nets a playoff team... I can see a 8 seed...rose by his self is top 3...and to whoever says im wrong...name one mvp that wasnt top 5 that year or the precceding and following year...or wasnt top 5 years later?

Im starting to see mj all over again..ppl said mj shot tooo much...he did,but they couldnt stop him,and he stopped them. I now see ppl seeming in denial...i never knew mj scared ppl and their teams. Ppl see rose kill their team favorite players constantly..ppl see a whole team has to key in on this 1 guy and they still deny it..no one focuses in on their star like they do ours...i think mj scared ppl sooo much they cant and do not want to see a nightmare that lasted 10 years again reincarnated in rose...im sure of it!

JohnBoy326
03-06-2012, 03:20 PM
Rose/CP3/Williams are the top 3, in no order. They each have games that make you say, wow that's the best PG in the game. It's those 3>>>The rest.

celtNYpatsHeels
03-06-2012, 03:26 PM
To all the haters ...the list is correct!

Rose crushed dwill...in utah and in nj..in utah dwill went as far as saying hes unstoppable.

He crushed cp3 in l.a...look at the game,if you need it,i got it on tape...he had cp3 frooze...i have never ever seen cp3 look like he has vs anyone like he has vs rose.

Rondo....he (rose) answered it 2 seasons ago.

Westbrook.....a poor mans rose...better defensively,so it seems...

And to who ever said rose couldnt make the nets a playoff team... I can see a 8 seed...rose by his self is top 3...and to whoever says im wrong...name one mvp that wasnt top 5 that year or the precceding and following year...or wasnt top 5 years later?

Im starting to see mj all over again..ppl said mj shot tooo much...he did,but they couldnt stop him,and he stopped them. I now see ppl seeming in denial...i never knew mj scared ppl and their teams. Ppl see rose kill their team favorite players constantly..ppl see a whole team has to key in on this 1 guy and they still deny it..no one focuses in on their star like they do ours...i think mj scared ppl sooo much they cant and do not want to see a nightmare that lasted 10 years again reincarnated in rose...im sure of it!

Thank you for clearing that up for me... Derrick Rose is as good as Jordan. Ah yes.

Overrated much?

Aust
03-06-2012, 03:33 PM
The same guy that said the Lakers should trade Kobe earlier today :eyebrow:

blystr2002
03-06-2012, 03:33 PM
I don't think it is that bad. I mean they probably are the 5 best. Placing them in order is subjective and everybody could be moved around in that top 5, but you can definitely argue for this.

Chi City23
03-06-2012, 03:34 PM
Lets take it a step further, does Rose make the BOBCATS a playoff team too? LMFAO. jesus.

The Bobcats are 1 Rose away from contention so ECF Finals for sure :D

Kashmir13579
03-06-2012, 03:36 PM
The Bobcats are 1 Rose away from contention so ECF Finals for sure :D

I know you're joking.

blystr2002
03-06-2012, 03:37 PM
They are all very different to, so it depends on what your team needs. CP3 can distribute better while if your team lacks a scorer Rose or Westbrook would be a better options. D-Will brings size and can back smaller pgs down.

BULLSFAN0810
03-06-2012, 03:44 PM
Thank you for clearing that up for me... Derrick Rose is as good as Jordan. Ah yes.

Overrated much?

Im not saying he is as good as JORDAN...That has yet to be determined,AND he isnt in the same Record books as Jordan...But i do know this...IVE NEVER....NEVER seen any one make m ore difficult shots like Rose,except for Kobe,then MJ...IE LAST PLAY VS INDIANA IN GAME 6 I BELIEVE LAST YEAR...ROSE,LEFT HANDED,FINGER ROLL,INDIANA PLAYER ON HIS LEFT,HIS RIGHT AND ONE DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM...ALL JUMPING WITH ROSE...ROSE FINISHES. LAST WEEK GAME WINNER: FADE AWAY FLOATER...FLOATER FROM THE SIDE...THE SIDE! LAST NIGHTPULL UP BACK TO BACK BUZZER BEATERS...

AND I DONT THINK HE IS JORDAN, I GET THATT FEELING FROM POSTERS HERE.I dont doubt CP3 greatness or Kobe's or LBJ stat stuffing ability,but ppl on here always denies this guy....im actually glad though bc i seen what happens when its given to you without you proving it...im actually glad you guys diss him. LIKE I SAID,WHEN MJ CAME AROUND ALL THE STUFF THEY SAY ABOUT ROSE , I SWEAR THEY SAID ABOUT MJ..YOU CANT WIN SCORING TITLES AND SHIPS...SHOOTS TOO MUCH...CANT PLAY D.....HE IS JUST A ONE ON ONE PLAYER...DOESNT TRUST HIS TEAM MATES...NOT THE BEST IN THE GAME....I heard it all...sound like a repeat in more than one way...FINGERS CROSSED.

Chi City23
03-06-2012, 03:55 PM
I know you're joking.

:laugh2:

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 04:09 PM
Lets take it a step further, does Rose make the BOBCATS a playoff team too? LMFAO. jesus.

NJ is more talented than the Bobcats, thats why i said NJ and not the Bobcats. Dont need to be a dramatic female about it.

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 04:17 PM
So let me get this straight, according to the NBA forum the Bulls dont have anyone on their team good enough to trade for Howard or Gasol, Lu Deng is the worst all star of all time, Noah isnt a top 10 center, and Rose isnt good enough to make the Nets a playoff team with guys like Lopez, Kardashian, and not to mention the double teams he commands would make Anthony Morrow explode. Oh yeah CP3 is hands down better without even thinking about it, and Deron Williams is interchangeable with DRose. How in gods name are they so good and continue to beat on everyones favorite teams? It has to soley be Thibs' defensive schemes then.

On one hand you all are saying Derrick Rose is leading a bunch of nobodies to the best record in the entire league, but on the other hypocritical hand, you're saying he wouldnt be good enough to lead the nobody Nets to even the playoffs.

celtNYpatsHeels
03-06-2012, 04:26 PM
So let me get this straight, according to the NBA forum the Bulls dont have anyone on their team good enough to trade for Howard or Gasol, Lu Deng is the worst all star of all time, Noah isnt a top 10 center, and Rose isnt good enough to make the Nets a playoff team with guys like Lopez, Kardashian, and not to mention the double teams he commands would make Anthony Morrow explode. Oh yeah CP3 is hands down better without even thinking about it, and Deron Williams is interchangeable with DRose. How in gods name are they so good and continue to beat on everyones favorite teams? It has to soley be Thibs' defensive schemes then.

I cant speak for everyone else but I would respond to you by saying...

The Bulls have the deepest team in the NBA. Rose gets too much credit.

The Bulls have assets to acquire Gasol, Howard is questionable.

Deng is the most underrated player in the NBA. Noah is a top 10 center.

The Bulls have the best defense and defensive coach/system in the NBA.

No, Rose cannot make the nets a playoff team. And you cannot put Lopez in the arguement because he has played 2 games this year and is out for another month.

And yes, if you put Williams or Paul on the Bulls and take Rose away that team doesnt miss a beat. Ask anyone outside of Chicago that watches the NBA and they will tell you that.

And I will even add that no PG has led his team to a championship in 25 years. I dont care who your PG is (Paul Rose Williams Nash Rondo etc..), if your team's best player is the PG you dont have a good chance at a ring

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 04:33 PM
I cant speak for everyone else but I would respond to you by saying...

The Bulls have the deepest team in the NBA. Rose gets too much credit.

The Bulls have assets to acquire Gasol, Howard is questionable.

Deng is the most underrated player in the NBA. Noah is a top 10 center.

The Bulls have the best defense and defensive coach/system in the NBA.

No, Rose cannot make the nets a playoff team. And you cannot put Lopez in the arguement because he has played 2 games this year and is out for another month.

And yes, if you put Williams or Paul on the Bulls and take Rose away that team doesnt miss a beat. Ask anyone outside of Chicago that watches the NBA and they will tell you that.

And I will even add that no PG has led his team to a championship in 25 years. I dont care who your PG is (Paul Rose Williams Nash Rondo etc..), if your team's best player is the PG you dont have a good chance at a ring

not being a jerk, but you're flat out wrong about Rose getting too much credit, every praise he gets is more than deserved. And it's obvious you dont watch the Bulls enough to even speak on this. The Bulls are Rose first, defense second.

celtNYpatsHeels
03-06-2012, 04:39 PM
not being a jerk, but you're flat out wrong about Rose getting too much credit, every praise he gets is more than deserved. And it's obvious you dont watch the Bulls enough to even speak on this. The Bulls are Rose first, defense second.

I do watch a lot of Bulls games. I guess we can agree that we disagree.

Regardless, Rose is top 3 at the position.

DaBUU
03-06-2012, 04:42 PM
I do watch a lot of Bulls games. I guess we can agree that we disagree.

Regardless, Rose is top 3 at the position.

:hi5:

mRc08
03-06-2012, 04:47 PM
Based off of the criteria that was used (the most impact on their team), i think this list is fairly accurate. Maybe put CP3 higher but not bad.

dtmagnet
03-06-2012, 05:12 PM
Trying to rank today's PGs is a lost cause. I call it a wash, truth be told.

I agree, its pretty much game to game.

THE MTL
03-06-2012, 05:27 PM
Chris Paul is the absolute best PG. Perfect combination of running an offense, scoring, passing, good decisions, and defense.

You can argue 2-5 between Williams, Rondo, and Rose (not Westbrook though).

mgsports
03-06-2012, 05:28 PM
http://search.espn.go.com/s/overlay/videoOverlay?searchString=ric%20bucher&id=7651469&dims=6&start=0 at least he didn't put Kyle Lowry in his list because if he was on the Lakers he might have.
1 Paul
2 Westbrook
3 Rose/Rondo
4 Chalmers/Nelson/Lin
5 Parker
6 Lawson
7 Kidd
8 Collison
9 Teague
10 Rubio

Chi City23
03-06-2012, 07:31 PM
http://search.espn.go.com/s/overlay/videoOverlay?searchString=ric%20bucher&id=7651469&dims=6&start=0 at least he didn't put Kyle Lowry in his list because if he was on the Lakers he might have.
1 Paul
2 Westbrook
3 Rose/Rondo
4 Chalmers/Nelson/Lin
5 Parker
6 Lawson
7 Kidd
8 Collison
9 Teague
10 Rubio

Is this your list?? Chalmers/Nelson/Lin over T Parker?! Then you don't even list DWill in the top 14?? Thats hilarious. Now this is the worst list EVER!!!

EDIT: Also even though he's a rookie Kyrie is better than Teague. Horrible list

BULLSFAN0810
03-06-2012, 07:40 PM
with the defense rose is playing this year, the conversation has to be how do you rank #2-5. Rose is a top 3 player in the nba with lebron and durant. Chris paul is great, but anyone that would take him over rose is just biased against the bulls, or is delusional. Rose consistently dominates his matchups with the other top pgs.

+1

mgsports
03-06-2012, 08:26 PM
I was just putting Players from Team in the Playoff Race and Nets aren't.

ChicagoFan4Eva
03-06-2012, 10:27 PM
I agree with the first one :shrug:

avrpatsfan
03-06-2012, 10:50 PM
Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA. What he does for his team is hard to measure, but just look how he turned around the Clippers.

Chris Paul is above the rest, and ranking him the 5th best PG is beyond stupid.

Beltrans Mole
03-07-2012, 02:37 AM
Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA. What he does for his team is hard to measure, but just look how he turned around the Clippers.

Chris Paul is above the rest, and ranking him the 5th best PG is beyond stupid.

Not only is Chris Paul 5th in his list, but the fact that he doesn't even have Deron Williams in there somewhere makes me wonder if he's actually joking or not. I mean Deron Williams is a straight boss he can do literally everything well.

UnWantedTheory
03-07-2012, 03:42 AM
Anybody dropping Parker off the list has clearly not seen him play this season.

Cubs420
03-07-2012, 11:51 AM
Guys come on....Ask anyone from New York

1. Lin
2. Lin
3. Lin
4. Lin
5. Lin

duh guys come on.

Cubs420
03-07-2012, 11:56 AM
So if most of you guys had a choice between Rose or Paul you would take Paul at PG?

LMAO wow...Have any of you guys seen the Rose vs. Paul match-ups? D-rose makes him look like he doesn't even belong in the same building.

Cubs420
03-07-2012, 12:01 PM
With the defense Rose is playing this year, the conversation has to be how do you rank #2-5. Rose is a top 3 player in the NBA with Lebron and Durant. Chris Paul is great, but anyone that would take him over Rose is just biased against the Bulls, or is delusional. Rose consistently dominates his matchups with the other top PGs.

Exactly....

BULLSFAN0810
03-07-2012, 12:02 PM
ppl see a name on tv have a good week or game,and ppl hand them the kingdom...i understand DWILL is in NJ but it took him this long to light it up?! And shame to all after a good game putting DWILL on top 5 list ...DWILL hasnt done ISH THIS YEAR! im not talking wins or loses,im talking STATS. EVERYONE KNOWS HIS SITUATION AND SYMPATHIZES,BUT HE HASNT REALLY DONE ISH. ID TAKE DWILL BEING A GUNNER, I KNOW HE ISNT. ITS LIKE HE SLACKED HAD 1 GAME AND PPL ARE ON HIS NUTS,WHEN HE REALLY HASNT DONE ANYTHINHG THIS YEAR.

FriedTofuz
03-07-2012, 05:19 PM
who cares. its his opinion. If you dont like it , then okay. Thats your opinion. Everyone has reasons. Its not like those players are not good pgs anyways. I disagree with him though. Chris paul should be higher than williams.

Swashcuff
03-07-2012, 05:37 PM
who cares. its his opinion. If you dont like it , then okay. Thats your opinion. Everyone has reasons. Its not like those players are not good pgs anyways. I disagree with him though. Chris paul should be higher than williams.

:confused: :laugh: