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JordansBulls
03-05-2012, 02:56 PM
Who finishes with the Best Record? Chicago, Miami, Oklahoma City or someone else?

Bulls right now is 31-8
Heat right now is 28-9
Thunder right is 29-8

jp611
03-05-2012, 02:58 PM
Bulls

sixer04fan
03-05-2012, 03:01 PM
I think the Bulls finish with the best record, but I'm still betting on a Heat-Thunder finals.

Baller1
03-05-2012, 03:02 PM
I think the Bulls finish with the best record, but I'm still betting on a Heat-Thunder finals.

I agree.

Missing56&33
03-05-2012, 03:05 PM
OKC- but it won't mean anything in the playoffs. Out in the second round

Pierzynski4Prez
03-05-2012, 03:17 PM
Going with Bulls solely on the reason that they've played the most road games out of the 3.

Mr_Amaziing
03-05-2012, 03:26 PM
Okc Thunder


Finals
Okc vs Bulls
Okc in 7

justinnum1
03-05-2012, 03:32 PM
bulls, they have the depth and defnese for the regular season.

side not, chrome has the worst ****ing spell check ever

D1JM
03-05-2012, 03:35 PM
It's going to be between the bulls and the heat.

LAKobeBryant
03-05-2012, 03:35 PM
raptors

Raps18-19 Champ
03-05-2012, 03:37 PM
I think the Bulls finish with the best record, but I'm still betting on a Heat-Thunder finals.

This.

VCaintdead17
03-05-2012, 03:57 PM
I think Miami goes another 10-15 games without a loss

tredigs
03-05-2012, 04:02 PM
I'll take the Thunder. Bulls have had the 2nd easiest strength of schedule so far. Thunder top 10 hardest (10).

I think it goes OKC > Miami > Chi. It will be close, though.

JordansBulls
03-05-2012, 04:09 PM
I'll take the Thunder. Bulls have had the 2nd easiest strength of schedule so far. Thunder top 10 hardest (10).

I think it goes OKC > Miami > Chi. It will be close, though.

We also only have 10 road games left while we have 17 home games left.

Badluck33
03-05-2012, 04:10 PM
knicks

davids22
03-05-2012, 04:14 PM
Prolly the Bulls due to scheduling, but it doesn't really matter. The Heat already proved HCA means nothing to them against the Bulls. The Heat upgrade with Battier, increased production from Haslem, and Mario having a better year. The Bulls added Rip? CJ Watson is having a better year, but that isn't going to be a difference maker.

Heat Thunder finals is still my prediction.

justinnum1
03-05-2012, 04:16 PM
knicks

:laugh:

WeBallin
03-05-2012, 04:25 PM
I voted for Chicago

h2r09
03-05-2012, 04:29 PM
Going with Bulls solely on the reason that they've played the most road games out of the 3.

i agree because they are a great regular season team, but they also have played the easiest schedule out of the 3 by far.

LGhost
03-05-2012, 04:33 PM
Prolly the Bulls due to scheduling, but it doesn't really matter. The Heat already proved HCA means nothing to them against the Bulls. The Heat upgrade with Battier, increased production from Haslem, and Mario having a better year. The Bulls added Rip? CJ Watson is having a better year, but that isn't going to be a difference maker.

Heat Thunder finals is still my prediction.

off-topic

Jint.
03-05-2012, 04:36 PM
thunder, Thunder, THUNDERS-CATS.. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..!

LakersA's49ers
03-05-2012, 04:46 PM
i picked chicago because I believe they better against th eastern conference squads

BIG worm
03-05-2012, 04:51 PM
i voted bulls but my heart says knicks. 3 top 3 players on the same team!

Avenged
03-05-2012, 05:04 PM
Thunder followed by the Bulls imo.

Gritz
03-05-2012, 05:12 PM
Kings

Evolution23
03-05-2012, 05:33 PM
:horse:
:laugh:

Ladies Man
03-05-2012, 05:49 PM
Bulls. Maybe because I'm biased but our schedule has been garbage. I think our only competition is the Heat. Other than that, if we go to the finals, OKC doesn't scare me. Only player who scares me is Durant. Westbrook doesn't scare me because of Rose guarding him. He still could blow up though. The key for the Bulls is Noah in that series. He could have his way all day against them

h2r09
03-05-2012, 06:40 PM
Bulls. Maybe because I'm biased but our schedule has been garbage. I think our only competition is the Heat. Other than that, if we go to the finals, OKC doesn't scare me. Only player who scares me is Durant. Westbrook doesn't scare me because of Rose guarding him. He still could blow up though. The key for the Bulls is Noah in that series. He could have his way all day against them

when does noah have his way all day against anyone? I'm sick of this guy being overrated. he is a hustle guy and is good, but stop making him out to be something special.

theheatles
03-05-2012, 06:46 PM
The Heatles

Kyben36
03-05-2012, 07:00 PM
whoever has the least injurys.

LGhost
03-05-2012, 07:29 PM
when does noah have his way all day against anyone? I'm sick of this guy being overrated. he is a hustle guy and is good, but stop making him out to be something special.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/chicago-bulls/players/joakim-noah/gamelog/12/4/55


:no:

Sofnr
03-05-2012, 07:30 PM
I think Chicago finishes with the best record if they stay healthy. Their first half strength of schedule wasn't difficult but they played quite a few back to backs and a lot of road games with multiple injuries. Now they have 17 home games and 10 road games to finish out the season. They will also get much more rest. And they still only play +500 teams 14 more times compared to 18 for Miami. OKC also has a favorable schedule to close out the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take it but Chicago is most likely.

Pealvin
03-05-2012, 07:46 PM
Chi-Town!! Baybee!!

Sactown
03-05-2012, 08:09 PM
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/chicago-bulls/players/joakim-noah/gamelog/12/4/55


:no:

22 games with under 10 or less points
15 games with under 10 rebounds
15 games shooting under 50%
12 games shooting under 70% from the free throw line
15 games without a block
20 games without a steal
Only 5 games without a turnover

That's pretty inconsistent...

ManRam
03-05-2012, 08:12 PM
Chicago would get my vote. The most consistent and stable team of the bunch. That defense will have them in every single game they play on its own. They just seem to be the most consistent of the bunch...

But injuries might dictate this a bit...and I do think it's a toss up.

LGhost
03-05-2012, 08:14 PM
22 games with under 10 or less points
15 games with under 10 rebounds
15 games shooting under 50%
12 games shooting under 70% from the free throw line
15 games without a block
20 games without a steal
Only 5 games without a turnover

That's pretty inconsistent...

I don't know, past few weeks dude has came alive

NoahH
03-05-2012, 08:40 PM
OKC will take it.

SportsAndrew25
03-05-2012, 08:46 PM
The Bulls because of their depth but I totally see a Heat-Thunder NBA final on the horizon.

h2r09
03-05-2012, 08:58 PM
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/chicago-bulls/players/joakim-noah/gamelog/12/4/55


:no:

and again i ask, when does he ever have his way? he is a hustle guy who you are paying 10 million. he isn't anything special.

h2r09
03-05-2012, 08:59 PM
I don't know, past few weeks dude has came alive

his previous 4 and a half years say thats a small sample size...

LGhost
03-05-2012, 09:02 PM
his previous 4 and a half years say thats a small sample size...

It doesn't matter, he is playing at an All star level right now and that's all I can focus on personally. If he was overrated before then so be it but this guy is good right now. He has been getting A LOT of double doubles lately and you can't ask for much more. He recently got a rare triple double with assists.

h2r09
03-05-2012, 09:05 PM
It doesn't matter, he is playing at an All star level right now and that's all I can focus on personally. If he was overrated before then so be it but this guy is good right now. He has been getting A LOT of double doubles lately and you can't ask for much more. He recently got a rare triple double with assists.

awesome, but that is an extremely shortsighted vision at this point. most players have a hot streak. all players also regress to the mean, which his career averages suggest is a very average mean.

LGhost
03-05-2012, 09:07 PM
awesome, but that is an extremely shortsighted vision at this point. most players have a hot streak. all players also regress to the mean, which his career averages suggest is a very average mean.

let me just hope he regresses next year :D

Fnom11
03-05-2012, 09:54 PM
If all the teams remained healthy I'd say the Heat, however that seems unlikely and the Bulls have a very strong bench so I'd go with them. If Westbrook or Durant get hurt for a stretch they can say goodbye to their ranking.

Raph12
03-06-2012, 02:03 AM
I think the Bulls finish with the best record, but I'm still betting on a Heat-Thunder finals.

This looks pretty good... I'l take it.

Cubby
03-06-2012, 02:32 AM
22 games with under 10 or less points
15 games with under 10 rebounds
15 games shooting under 50%
12 games shooting under 70% from the free throw line
15 games without a block
20 games without a steal
Only 5 games without a turnover

That's pretty inconsistent...

You ever think that maybe it's because the Bulls have multiple guys that can score on any given night in their starting lineup? Sometimes someone else is hot and he doesn't need to score. That's called team basketball.

Cubby
03-06-2012, 02:33 AM
i agree because they are a great regular season team, but they also have played the easiest schedule out of the 3 by far.

Honestly, couldn't be further front the truth.

Baller1
03-06-2012, 03:02 AM
So OKC's "big three" (who everyone states are the only three scorers and there's no way we win without low post scoring) shot a combined 16-49 from the field.

They must have been blown out. It's only plausible, right?

Nope, scraped out a win against another title contender despite Durant, Westbrook, and Harden playing relatively poorly (probably KD's worst game of the season). Oh, and only 1 loss at home this season.

Jewelz0376
03-06-2012, 03:22 AM
I think Heat will get it...but I hope Chi does, because they need hca more than Mia does...

Raph12
03-06-2012, 03:27 AM
Honestly, couldn't be further front the truth.

Actually it is true, the Bulls have had the easiest SOS (strength of schedule) in the league, the Heat are #25 and the Thunder are #12... Check basketball-reference (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html) or ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings/_/page/2/sort/sos) if you don't believe me.


So OKC's "big three" (who everyone states are the only three scorers and there's no way we win without low post scoring) shot a combined 16-49 from the field.

They must have been blown out. It's only plausible, right?

Nope, scraped out a win against another title contender despite Durant, Westbrook, and Harden playing relatively poorly (probably KD's worst game of the season). Oh, and only 1 loss at home this season.

Actually they beat a struggling team that has lost 4 of their last 5 games (5 of their last 7) prior to playing the Thunder tonight. Although the Thunder team's "Big 3" struggled from the field, they shot a combined 29 free throws (made 26) which already was about triple the amount that the whole Mavs team shot. Plus they destroyed the Mavs on the glass, with Perk getting his season-high of 14rbs, which also was a big part of the win.

The "Big 3" do such a great job of drawing fouls, one wonders whether or not they get the same calls in a physical playoffs series...

DaBear
03-06-2012, 03:32 AM
Got a gut feeling one or both of the two teams - Heat/Thunder - will not be in the Finals.

MJ-BULLS
03-06-2012, 03:57 AM
when does noah have his way all day against anyone? I'm sick of this guy being overrated. he is a hustle guy and is good, but stop making him out to be something special.

are you sure about that? alot of people are saying that noah is having a bad year and he is a role player. sure he got off to funk to start the year, but he has been rolling. take for example mr hibbert, a all star this year. he is putting up similar numbers to him, and alot of them better.


Season TS% eFG% TRB% AST% ORtg
2011-12 .559 .500 18.9 12.2 118

i think its funny how some people keep calling him a role player and yet, some people dont even have him top 10. He is among the best passing bigs in the nba too and most efficient C's.

Raph12
03-06-2012, 03:59 AM
Got a gut feeling one or both of the two teams - Heat/Thunder - will not be in the Finals.

The Thunder are more likely to be eliminated, as their flaws are more significant... With Lebron playing like Lebron, the Heat lost a combined 3 games last year in the playoffs (their first season playing together), no way he doesn't show up again.

h2r09
03-06-2012, 08:12 AM
Honestly, couldn't be further front the truth.

honestly, i dont opine, i use facts, and that is exactly the truth, the heat have a .494 sos and the thunder are higher, while the bulls going into yesterday was .450 or so. so ya, it is exactly the truth

h2r09
03-06-2012, 08:14 AM
are you sure about that? alot of people are saying that noah is having a bad year and he is a role player. sure he got off to funk to start the year, but he has been rolling. take for example mr hibbert, a all star this year. he is putting up similar numbers to him, and alot of them better.


Season TS% eFG% TRB% AST% ORtg
2011-12 .559 .500 18.9 12.2 118

i think its funny how some people keep calling him a role player and yet, some people dont even have him top 10. He is among the best passing bigs in the nba too and most efficient C's.

being a center skews peoples perceptions of him because there are like 5 good centers in the league. compared to overall big men he is incredibly average-above average. he is nothing special and he has no offensive game like the rest of your team besides rose which will kill your team in the playoffs.

h2r09
03-06-2012, 08:17 AM
You ever think that maybe it's because the Bulls have multiple guys that can score on any given night in their starting lineup? Sometimes someone else is hot and he doesn't need to score. That's called team basketball.

when a team says they have multiple guys who can score on any night, it is a great indicator that you have no true second option. that team basketball is great in the regular season, but come playoff time good luck beating the heat not knowing who is going to step up.

LGhost
03-06-2012, 09:55 AM
Well I see somebody is on a mission

justinnum1
03-06-2012, 11:02 AM
when a team says they have multiple guys who can score on any night, it is a great indicator that you have no true second option. that team basketball is great in the regular season, but come playoff time good luck beating the heat not knowing who is going to step up.

good point

UPRock
03-06-2012, 11:20 AM
Obviously the Bobcats.

h2r09
03-06-2012, 12:45 PM
good point

It's the same thing in the nfl as far as qbs, if you think you have 2 qbs you most likely don't have 1. And keep pinning your hopes on Hamilton, injured again. But they probably will win th regular season again

LGhost
03-06-2012, 07:30 PM
when a team says they have multiple guys who can score on any night, it is a great indicator that you have no true second option. that team basketball is great in the regular season, but come playoff time good luck beating the heat not knowing who is going to step up.

Boozer is our true second option, not superstar Wade type second option though.

What is the difference between the first bolded section and the last bolded section?

JordansBulls
03-07-2012, 10:07 AM
Boozer is our true second option, not superstar Wade type second option though.

What is the difference between the first bolded section and the last bolded section?

Well he needs to start playing like one.

JesusNYY_Savior
03-07-2012, 10:22 AM
Boozer is in no way shape or form comparable to d wade and if he is your second option good luck come the playoffs

todu82
03-07-2012, 10:25 AM
Chicago.

LGhost
03-07-2012, 11:38 AM
Well he needs to start playing like one.

Him and Deng average 15 points a game each... I don't understand the argument. We are 8th in offense right now..

10-11 Mavs = 11th Offense

09-10 Lakers = 12th offense

07-08 Celtics = 11th offense

I'm sure the rest of the champs follow a similar pattern...



Other dude,,, who compared Boozer to Wade???

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 02:43 PM
I hate people acting like SOS is the only indicator of a tough schedule. The Bulls were consistenly playing more games than other teams. They started the year playing 30 games in 50 days, that's ridiculous.

justinnum1
03-07-2012, 02:46 PM
I hate people acting like SOS is the only indicator of a tough schedule. The Bulls were consistenly playing more games than other teams. They started the year playing 30 games in 50 days, that's ridiculous.

Bulls are the best regular season team, i dont think any one is disputing that.

on a side note, miami is the #1 half court team

and its by a pretty wide margin

http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/12816/meet-the-nbas-best-halfcourt-team

h2r09
03-07-2012, 03:22 PM
I hate people acting like SOS is the only indicator of a tough schedule. The Bulls were consistenly playing more games than other teams. They started the year playing 30 games in 50 days, that's ridiculous.

Ah yes. Sorry we must have forgotten the bulls are the only team to play frequently this year

DeyAce
03-07-2012, 03:42 PM
Bulls will get the best record but it will be Heat Thunder in the finals. Bulls front office needs to understand that these washups Bogans and Hamilton aren't going to get them past the Heat. All these free agent sg's last offseason and also they had a chance to draft Marshon Brooks and passed for Jimmy Butler who will probably never see the floor.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 03:44 PM
Ah yes. Sorry we must have forgotten the bulls are the only team to play frequently this year
In the first half, they were doing it more than other teams. They're schedule wasn't stocked full of playoff opponents (although their second half is, and they've started well with wins over PHI and IND), but it was so jam packed even compared to others.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 03:49 PM
Bulls are the best regular season team, i dont think any one is disputing that.

on a side note, miami is the #1 half court team

and its by a pretty wide margin

http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/12816/meet-the-nbas-best-halfcourt-team
As also shown, they don't use it very often. And the Bulls are 3rd in O-Efficiency and 2nd in D-Efficiency, they're no slouch in comparison. IMO CHI and MIA are 1-2 (in no order) in the NBA, not just the East
All these free agent sg's last offseason and also they had a chance to draft Marshon Brooks and passed for Jimmy Butler who will probably never see the floor. It really is frustrating.
I love Butler, I'm happy as hell they drafted him and regardless of who they drafted he was going to sit on the bench. That's simply how Thibs plays rookies.

Mcdoh
03-07-2012, 03:52 PM
thunder..

Clocian
03-07-2012, 04:06 PM
Bulls will get the best record but it will be Heat Thunder in the finals. Bulls front office needs to understand that these washups Bogans and Hamilton aren't going to get them past the Heat. All these free agent sg's last offseason and also they had a chance to draft Marshon Brooks and passed for Jimmy Butler who will probably never see the floor.

nope, rip will be just fine if healthy. his bbiq has helped the offense flow greatly prior to getting his minutes limited. dude's gonna open eyes(assuming hes healthy).

KB-Pau-DH2012
03-07-2012, 04:07 PM
It really doesn't matter because the last NBA Champion to have the best record in the league were the 08 Celtics. Before that I think it was the 00 Lakers.

Best record in the league isn't the end all be all in winning a championship.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 04:37 PM
I'm getting so sick of all the excuses certain individuals need to make about the Bulls. First, it was the idea that the Bulls success last season was a "fluke." :rolleyes:

Now, that the Bulls are continuing to dominate, that previous excuse has been easily debunked so now the excuse is that Bulls are a "regular season" team, which is ****ing ridiculous considering as young as they were they still made it to the ECF rather easily last season.

What's next?

And you're right, we don't have a star 2nd option. So what? Neither did Dallas and I seem to remember them raising the Larry O'Brien trophy and not Miami. No one is denying that Miami are the likely favorites. But the necessity for certain fans needing to discredit Chicago and their success thus far is absolutely laughable.

Believe it or not, there are two sides of the ball. And Chicago has been SIGNIFICANTLY better on the offensive side of the ball this season than last. Hence, they have a top 5 O-rating this season as opposed to 12th last season.

justinnum1
03-07-2012, 04:53 PM
I'm getting so sick of all the excuses certain individuals need to make about the Bulls. First, it was the idea that the Bulls success last season was a "fluke." :rolleyes:

Now, that the Bulls are continuing to dominate, that previous excuse has been easily debunked so now the excuse is that Bulls are a "regular season" team, which is ****ing ridiculous considering as young as they were they still made it to the ECF rather easily last season.

What's next?

And you're right, we don't have a star 2nd option. So what? Neither did Dallas and I seem to remember them raising the Larry O'Brien trophy and not Miami. No one is denying that Miami are the likely favorites. But the necessity for certain fans needing to discredit Chicago and their success thus far is absolutely laughable.

Believe it or not, there are two sides of the ball. And Chicago has been SIGNIFICANTLY better on the offensive side of the ball this season than last. Hence, they have a top 5 O-rating this season as opposed to 12th last season.

Jason terry was there 2nd option, and he was a pretty good 2nd option at that. Bulls dont have a 2nd option like terry that can make big shots when they need to be made, or we havent seen it yet

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 05:13 PM
Go compare Jason Terry and Luol Deng's numbers last year and this year. And Deng has hit quite a few big shots in his career and plays phenominal defense. Deng's also 8 years younger (people don't realize Deng is only 26) and has drastically improved his 3 pt shooting this year.

Shammyguy3
03-07-2012, 05:14 PM
when does noah have his way all day against anyone? I'm sick of this guy being overrated. he is a hustle guy and is good, but stop making him out to be something special.

So a career 56.5ts% 51.4efg% 18.3trb% 115 ORtg is nothing more than a hustle guy?

22 games with under 10 or less points
15 games with under 10 rebounds
15 games shooting under 50%
12 games shooting under 70% from the free throw line
15 games without a block
20 games without a steal
Only 5 games without a turnover

That's pretty inconsistent...

I love seeing posts like this one. Especially when they're incorrect.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noahjo01/gamelog/2012/

* Noah's had only 19 games with < 10 points. Not 22. And he's had 20 games games where he scores >10 points.

* Noah's had only 11 games with < 10 rebounds. Not 15. And he's had 18 games with 10-14 rebounds and 6 games with 15-19 rebounds.

* What's with the free throw line bit? :laugh2: he's shooting a career high 74.8% from the free throw line as a center, that gets there 3.3 times a game. Nice try skewing the numbers though champ.

* Blocks are overrated. If so, he's had 19 games with 1-2 and 5 games with 3-4. Soooo that's consistent, again.

* Steals? Really? As a center? Again you're wrong... he's had only 15 games without a steal. Not 20. He's also had 19 games with 1 or 2 steals and two games with more than 2.


So not only were you wrong about everything, you were really ****ing wrong.


being a center skews peoples perceptions of him because there are like 5 good centers in the league. compared to overall big men he is incredibly average-above average. he is nothing special and he has no offensive game like the rest of your team besides rose which will kill your team in the playoffs.

Wrong, there's zero substance to this post. Instead of spewing **** why don't you back it up with some evidence, or at least anything resembling proof to help your argument. And you're wrong with our team having no offensive game. If that was true, then how are we 3rd in ORtg across the entire league with Rose missing 10 games, Deng missing 7 games, Watson missing 13 games, and Rip missing 24 games (and one game he only played 83 seconds).

So again, try and prove that wrong.


Jason terry was there 2nd option, and he was a pretty good 2nd option at that. Bulls dont have a 2nd option like terry that can make big shots when they need to be made, or we havent seen it yet

Deng's come up clutch on countless occasions with his shooting this season just like Terry did last year in the playoffs. Not to mention Rose has been ****ing awesome in the clutch.

Deng:
Less than 2 minutes, game within 5 points ... http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=denglu01&match=single&year_id=2012&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=2&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

Less than 5 minutes, game within 5 points ... http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=denglu01&match=single&year_id=2012&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

In the 4th quarter, game within 5 points ...
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=denglu01&match=single&year_id=2012&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg


So he's 3/3 ... 4/5 ... and 10/16 in close game situations in the 4th quarter (</= 2 minutes, then </= 5 minutes, then entire 4th quarter).

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:15 PM
Jason terry was there 2nd option, and he was a pretty good 2nd option at that. Bulls dont have a 2nd option like terry that can make big shots when they need to be made, or we havent seen it yet

As others here mentioned, what does that make Deng?

Or even Rip if he can stay healthy.

DROSE4MVP
03-07-2012, 05:17 PM
It's the same thing in the nfl as far as qbs, if you think you have 2 qbs you most likely don't have 1. And keep pinning your hopes on Hamilton, injured again. But they probably will win th regular season again

No one's pinning hope on Hamilton. Of course all Bulls fans want him to be healthy so we our starting five can gain some chemistry, but the Bulls have shown they can win without Hamilton. Can they beat the Heat without Hamilton? Most likely not, but I personally believe Deng is the most important player on our team when facing the Heat because he's basically our second option and he also covers LeBron. You also have to remember the Bulls have improved as a team and are a better team than they were last year in my opinion. Boozer and Noah have way better chemistry together than they did last year due to the injuries last season. It's the little things that can make a difference, just like Battier and Norris Cole make the Heat a better team than they were last year.

As for Noah, he's a very scrappy player and doesn't shine on the scoreboard, but you have to watch him to see how effective he is for the Bulls. He's one of the better passing big men in the league and that helps a lot considering the Bulls don't have a true second option. Trust me... the Heat are the best team in the league when fully healthy and they should beat the Bulls if they meet in the playoffs, even if the Bulls have Hamilton.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:18 PM
So a career 56.5ts% 51.4efg% 18.3trb% 115 ORtg is nothing more than a hustle guy?


I love seeing posts like this one. Especially when they're incorrect.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noahjo01/gamelog/2012/

* Noah's had only 19 games with < 10 points. Not 22. And he's had 20 games games where he scores >10 points.

* Noah's had only 11 games with < 10 rebounds. Not 15. And he's had 18 games with 10-14 rebounds and 6 games with 15-19 rebounds.

* What's with the free throw line bit? :laugh2: he's shooting a career high 74.8% from the free throw line as a center, that gets there 3.3 times a game. Nice try skewing the numbers though champ.

* Blocks are overrated. If so, he's had 19 games with 1-2 and 5 games with 3-4. Soooo that's consistent, again.

* Steals? Really? As a center? Again you're wrong... he's had only 15 games without a steal. Not 20. He's also had 19 games with 1 or 2 steals and two games with more than 2.


So not only were you wrong about everything, you were really ****ing wrong.



That's not mentioning Noah's slow start who has been beasting since.

Look, I have no problem saying that Miami is an incredibly dominant team. However, if not for Miami, Bulls would be overwhelming favorites most years in the past decade. Unfortunately, they have to go against a juggernaut like Miami's big 3.

justinnum1
03-07-2012, 05:19 PM
As others here mentioned, what does that make Deng?

Or even Rip if he can stay healthy.

If dengs your second option he wasnt that good last season when you guys needed one. Maybe he is the answer this year, but i wouldn't count on boozer to get critical buckets at the end of games. And i guess rip can help if he's healthy. ECF cant come soon enough

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:20 PM
Go compare Jason Terry and Luol Deng's numbers last year and this year. And Deng has hit quite a few big shots in his career and plays phenominal defense. Deng's also 8 years younger (people don't realize Deng is only 26) and has drastically improved his 3 pt shooting this year.

nobody is talking defense. strictly offensively, you can't give the ball to deng and expect him to make a move and score, he needs plays to be run for him, jason terry can score with the best of them in the league.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:21 PM
If dengs your second option he wasnt that good last season when you guys needed one. Maybe he is the answer this year, but i wouldn't count on boozer to get critical buckets at the end of games. And i guess rip can help if he's healthy. ECF cant come soon enough

boozer doesn't even play at the end of games against us last year because he is so pathetic defensively. mark my words, they will never win a championship unless they amnesty him or trade him.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 05:23 PM
nobody is talking defense. strictly offensively, you can't give the ball to deng and expect him to make a move and score, he needs plays to be run for him, jason terry can score with the best of them in the league.
I call ********, but if that's the case then what the hell do you consider Jason Terry? That's his precise MO. He hits those big 3's not as a playmaker but as a good catch and shoot guy.


I'm sorry, I can't take what you're saying seriously when you consider Jason Terry a great scorer and saying Deng only scores when plays are run for him.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:23 PM
No one's pinning hope on Hamilton. Of course all Bulls fans want him to be healthy so we our starting five can gain some chemistry, but the Bulls have shown they can win without Hamilton. Can they beat the Heat without Hamilton? Most likely not, but I personally believe Deng is the most important player on our team when facing the Heat because he's basically our second option and he also covers LeBron. You also have to remember the Bulls have improved as a team and are a better team than they were last year in my opinion. Boozer and Noah have way better chemistry together than they did last year due to the injuries last season. It's the little things that can make a difference, just like Battier and Norris Cole make the Heat a better team than they were last year.

As for Noah, he's a very scrappy player and doesn't shine on the scoreboard, but you have to watch him to see how effective he is for the Bulls. He's one of the better passing big men in the league and that helps a lot considering the Bulls don't have a true second option. Trust me... the Heat are the best team in the league when fully healthy and they should beat the Bulls if they meet in the playoffs, even if the Bulls have Hamilton.

listen, nobody is saying the bulls are bad. I'm strictly talking about matching up against the heat, and they do so horribly. they need at least 1 quality scoring option who can create his own shot. you have no one who can do that besides rose.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 05:24 PM
boozer doesn't even play at the end of games against us last year because he is so pathetic defensively. mark my words, they will never win a championship unless they amnesty him or trade him.
Why?

Having an offensive threat at his position for the first 3+ quarters and bringing in a defensive guy like Gibson late in games is pretty smart actually. And normally in the last two minutes they burn TO's and switch every opportunity between Boozer and Gibson in offense for defense and vice versa swaps.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:25 PM
If dengs your second option he wasnt that good last season when you guys needed one. Maybe he is the answer this year, but i wouldn't count on boozer to get critical buckets at the end of games. And i guess rip can help if he's healthy. ECF cant come soon enough

He certainly has been more assertive this season. And again, people overrate the necessity of another player being able to create for himself. Sure, if you are built like Cleveland or Orlando were with just a bunch of 3pt shooters, maybe. But when you have great passers at every position, it's a matter of creating shots with great ball movement. As in the case with the Bulls, they lead the lead with assists per game. It's a matter of not getting too sucked into the iso game late in the game and continuing the ball movement.


boozer doesn't even play at the end of games against us last year because he is so pathetic defensively. mark my words, they will never win a championship unless they amnesty him or trade him.

Don't be absurd.

I hate Boozer as much as any Bulls fan, but him not being worth his contract does not equate to him being worthless or needed to be amnestied. He provides a necessary role. Even if he can't be relied in the closing minutes, he certainly provides the impact to get us in that situation in the first place during the first 3 quarters.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:25 PM
I call ********, but if that's the case then what the hell do you consider Jason Terry? That's his precise MO. He hits those big 3's not as a playmaker but as a good catch and shoot guy.


I'm sorry, I can't take what you're saying seriously when you consider Jason Terry a great scorer and saying Deng only scores when plays are run for him.

if you think jason terry is only a catch and shoot guy you don't watch him at all. that guy is an assassin with the ball in his hands offensively.

you think you can just give the ball to deng and have him make plays and score at the end of games offensively? that is simply not his game. nothing wrong with that, but you won't beat the heat that way.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 05:28 PM
if you think jason terry is only a catch and shoot guy you don't watch him at all. that guy is an assassin with the ball in his hands offensively.

you think you can just give the ball to deng and have him make plays and score at the end of games offensively? that is simply not his game. nothing wrong with that, but you won't beat the heat that way.
I didn't say only, but his clutch buckets have mostly been that.


You saying Jason Terry is an assassin who can create his own plays and at the same time say Deng has to have plays set for him and can't score late is absurd. You're simply wrong. Stats say you're wrong, someone who actually watches the game says you're wrong. But by all means, keep preaching your incorrect ideas because you want to feel more secure.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:28 PM
He certainly has been more assertive this season. And again, people overrate the necessity of another player being able to create for himself. Sure, if you are built like Cleveland or Orlando were with just a bunch of 3pt shooters, maybe. But when you have great passers at every position, it's a matter of creating shots with great ball movement. As in the case with the Bulls, they lead the lead with assists per game. It's a matter of not getting too sucked into the iso game late in the game and continuing the ball movement.



Don't be absurd.

I hate Boozer as much as any Bulls fan, but him not being worth his contract does not equate to him being worthless or needed to be amnestied. He provides a necessary role. Even if he can't be relied in the closing minutes, he certainly provides the impact to get us in that situation in the first place during the first 3 quarters.

awesome, and you tried that ball movement thing last year against us and it failed. you aren't going to beat the heat like that, plain and simple. we have more weapons than you and are just as good if not better than you defensively.


he is worthless in the sense of being able to beat the heat. you are basically admitting he can't be relied on in the closing minutes and that falls right into my point, in the closing minutes you have no one besides rose who can get their own shot against us AND play at least capable defense.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 05:29 PM
awesome, and you tried that ball movement thing last year against us and it failed. you aren't going to beat the heat like that, plain and simple. we have more weapons than you and are just as good if not better than you defensively.


he is worthless in the sense of being able to beat the heat. you are basically admitting he can't be relied on in the closing minutes and that falls right into my point, in the closing minutes you have no one besides rose who can get their own shot against us AND play at least capable defense.
You're not better defensively, not at all.

You're as close to the Bulls defensively as the Bulls are to you offensively.


And Deng, Deng can do both. You're clearly a naive homer if you think otherwise.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:29 PM
if you think jason terry is only a catch and shoot guy you don't watch him at all. that guy is an assassin with the ball in his hands offensively.

you think you can just give the ball to deng and have him make plays and score at the end of games offensively? that is simply not his game. nothing wrong with that, but you won't beat the heat that way.

You beat them with superb ball movement. Your mistake is comparing our offense to that of Cleveland's or Orlando's and even ours to some degree last season while Noah and Boozer still weren't accustomed due to injuries.

Our offense isn't the least bit similar to Cleveland's or Orlando's where all game you had one playmaker (Howard or Lebron) and a bunch of 3pt shooters camping outside waiting for the pass when defense collapses. That sort of offense is easy to stop especially when all those 3pt shooters are subpar passers or creators. Not the case with the Bulls, where Rip, Deng, Boozer and Noah are all above average passers for their respective positions.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 05:31 PM
Forget it Kozel, they might as well give the Heat the trophy like last year, clearly no one will ever beat them in a series...not again at least. Once is a rarity, twice is an impossibility. No one will defeat the great Heat in a series ever. And any player not on the Heat is just a wannabe Heatle.

Next thing you know, Shane Battier will be a guy who creates his own shot and Udonis Haslem will be an All-Star game worthy talent.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:32 PM
awesome, and you tried that ball movement thing last year against us and it failed. you aren't going to beat the heat like that, plain and simple. we have more weapons than you and are just as good if not better than you defensively.

Wrong.

Last season we had Bogans (who basically didn't exist offensively). And an unaccustomed Noah and Boozer who were clearly struggling when there were on the floor in the same time. Thibs made the adjustment by placing Boozer in the high post and Noah in the low post. Spreads the floor and easier ball movement. That's not mentioning the double pick and roll we now have with Rose and Boozer and Rip and Noah.



he is worthless in the sense of being able to beat the heat. you are basically admitting he can't be relied on in the closing minutes and that falls right into my point, in the closing minutes you have no one besides rose who can get their own shot against us AND play at least capable defense.

I was unaware that Deng, Rip and Noah are the same as Boozer. I was also unaware that a game is decided in only two minutes.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:32 PM
I didn't say only, but his clutch buckets have mostly been that.


You saying Jason Terry is an assassin who can create his own plays and at the same time say Deng has to have plays set for him and can't score late is absurd. You're simply wrong. Stats say you're wrong, someone who actually watches the game says you're wrong. But by all means, keep preaching your incorrect ideas because you want to feel more secure.

jason terrys exact game is to mix catch and shoot as well as off the dribble and that is what killed the heat in the finals.

if you think that deng can have anywhere near the kind of effect offensively as terry does late in games, which is the only thing I'm talking about, you are a homer, plain and simple. just about any non dallas/bulls fan would tell you that late in games if you want a guy to create something, you want terry over deng 100% of the time.

redwhitenblue
03-07-2012, 05:34 PM
jason terrys exact game is to mix catch and shoot as well as off the dribble and that is what killed the heat in the finals.

if you think that deng can have anywhere near the kind of effect offensively as terry does late in games, which is the only thing I'm talking about, you are a homer, plain and simple. just about any non dallas/bulls fan would tell you that late in games if you want a guy to create something, you want terry over deng 100% of the time.
And what is Deng's game exactly?
A mix of catch and shoot and off the dribble penetration.


Genius I say, pure genius.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:36 PM
Wrong.

Last season we had Bogans (who basically didn't exist offensively). And an unaccustomed Noah and Boozer who were clearly struggling when there were on the floor in the same time. Thibs made the adjustment by placing Boozer in the high post and Noah in the low post. Spreads the floor and easier ball movement. That's not mentioning the double pick and roll we now have with Rose and Boozer and Rip and Noah.




I was unaware that Deng, Rip and Noah are the same as Boozer. I was also unaware that a game is decided in only two minutes.



stop trying to fool yourself. you and everyone else knows bogans barely played when it mattered last year, and truth be told he played good defense and shot a respectable percentage from 3. stop trying to make it seem like he was your second option in crunch time. if rip continues to be injured which is entirely possible, you have exactly the same team in crunch time as last year.


I'm talking about the last 2 minutes because you won't be blowing the heat out and these games will all be close and that is typically where close series are decided in the playoffs. thats certainly how every heat series was decided last year.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:37 PM
jason terrys exact game is to mix catch and shoot as well as off the dribble and that is what killed the heat in the finals.

if you think that deng can have anywhere near the kind of effect offensively as terry does late in games, which is the only thing I'm talking about, you are a homer, plain and simple. just about any non dallas/bulls fan would tell you that late in games if you want a guy to create something, you want terry over deng 100% of the time.

It's funny you mention that since Deng has better "clutch" stats than Terry this season.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:41 PM
And what is Deng's game exactly?
A mix of catch and shoot and off the dribble penetration.


Genius I say, pure genius.

deng is not even in the same league as terry as far as creating his own shot late in games and as your second option he won't be enough to beat the heat in a 7 game series.

basically you don't have enough players who can play both sides of the ball effectively enough to out execute the heat both offensively and defensively down the stretch.

I'm done here. just watch how you play us if you don't make a trade.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:42 PM
It's funny you mention that since Deng has better "clutch" stats than Terry this season.

great sample size. id still take terry everyday of the week if i want to score late in games.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:42 PM
stop trying to fool yourself. you and everyone else knows bogans barely played when it mattered last year,

RIIIIGHT because Brewer was so much better in the clutch. :rolleyes:


and truth be told he played good defense and shot a respectable percentage from 3.

Wrong. For a guy who had ALL wide open 3's, his 3pt% was VERY mediocre. There's a clear difference between the way people defended Bogans and say Korver (an ACTUAL 3pt threat).


stop trying to make it seem like he was your second option in crunch time. if rip continues to be injured which is entirely possible, you have exactly the same team in crunch time as last year.

Still nope. For one, Boozer will still play at the offensive end in a close game considering the constant TOs and substitutions during those moments and will create at least the necessary ball movement.


I'm talking about the last 2 minutes because you won't be blowing the heat out and these games will all be close and that is typically where close series are decided in the playoffs. thats certainly how every heat series was decided last year.

Your mistake is believing that the last 2 minutes are decided anything more than some degree of chance. Don't fool yourself. Just like the Heat were looked at as "unclutch" during the regular season last year, they pulled it off in the postseason (til the finals anyway). If Rose made those fts, if he made the mid range. It's a matter of how the ball rolls. But the Bulls certainly had made a better means of beating the trap and executing better than last season. As someone who actually, you know. WATCHES and follows his team, I can tell you that.

Are we the underdogs? No ****. But if you think they can't hang and possibly beat the Heat, then you're the one who is heavily mistaken. And so far, your reasoning is very much incorrect.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:43 PM
great sample size. id still take terry everyday of the week if i want to score late in games.

Because a sample size of the NBA finals is much better?

And you should be done. Your reasoning thus far has been poor.

I can also give reasoning why we might fall, but it's not cause we don't have a 2nd option or are "just a regular season team." :laugh:

Shammyguy3
03-07-2012, 05:45 PM
boozer doesn't even play at the end of games against us last year because he is so pathetic defensively. mark my words, they will never win a championship unless they amnesty him or trade him.

thank god you said that, i wouldn't have known until you said mark my words!


if you think jason terry is only a catch and shoot guy you don't watch him at all. that guy is an assassin with the ball in his hands offensively.

you think you can just give the ball to deng and have him make plays and score at the end of games offensively? that is simply not his game. nothing wrong with that, but you won't beat the heat that way.

All Jason Terry does on the perimeter is catch & shoot.
From three point land the past 6 seasons, Terry's been assisted on his threes: 84% 92.1% 88.2% 79.6% 88.2% 85.2%


It's funny you mention that since Deng has better "clutch" stats than Terry this season.

At the door, the sign says "Don't use logic here" so stats aren't allowed.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:45 PM
also, terry played out of his mind and stepped up and was a true second option in the finals. not to mention the other perimeter guys that they had that stepped up and beat us with the 3 ball a lot, which is another way to beat the heat.

they had the perfect mix of the deadly big man in the post who alters a lot of shots, a superstar, a second option, and other perimeter options who made their 3's.


bulls don't have that.

Chi City23
03-07-2012, 05:47 PM
listen, nobody is saying the bulls are bad. I'm strictly talking about matching up against the heat, and they do so horribly. they need at least 1 quality scoring option who can create his own shot. you have no one who can do that besides rose.

So Miami has never blown out the Bulls EVER since the Big 3 and you claim the Bulls don't match up well? If the Bulls don't match up well with Miami how have they managed to win 4/9 games they have played (4 regular season and 5 playoffs). The Bulls had a chance to win every single game they played the Heat but in the games they lost it was poor late game execution that did them in.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:48 PM
RIIIIGHT because Brewer was so much better in the clutch. :rolleyes:



Wrong. For a guy who had ALL wide open 3's, his 3pt% was VERY mediocre. There's a clear difference between the way people defended Bogans and say Korver (an ACTUAL 3pt threat).



hahahaha, brewer will still be playing in the clutch when hamilton inevitably gets hurt again.

he shot 38% and he played in a role similar to the way the heat use joel anthony and how they used arroyo in the beginning of last year. he is labeled as a starter but doesn't play much more than the 7th or 8th guy on the team.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:49 PM
All Jason Terry does on the perimeter is catch & shoot.
From three point land the past 6 seasons, Terry's been assisted on his threes: 84% 92.1% 88.2% 79.6% 88.2% 85.2%


Well... ****.

And here I thought Jason Terry was Allen Iverson with the ball.

h2r09
03-07-2012, 05:49 PM
So Miami has never blown out the Bulls EVER since the Big 3 and you claim the Bulls don't match up well? If the Bulls don't match up well with Miami how have they managed to win 4/9 games they have played (4 regular season and 5 playoffs). The Bulls had a chance to win every single game they played the Heat but in the games they lost it was poor late game execution that did them in.

Your late game execution won't be getting so much better until you find a better 2nd option. that is entirely my point. if rip can stay healthy and contribute 17 points a night consistently, you might have a chance, but if he is injured like he has been all year, you guys don't have a chance, not because you aren't a great team, but because the heat are just a horrible matchup for you.

kozelkid
03-07-2012, 05:51 PM
hahahaha, brewer will still be playing in the clutch when hamilton inevitably gets hurt again.

Maybe he won't be doing it against Wade when Wade inevitably gets hurt. :)



he shot 38% and he played in a role similar to the way the heat use joel anthony and how they used arroyo in the beginning of last year. he is labeled as a starter but doesn't play much more than the 7th or 8th guy on the team.


What's your point? Mine is that he sucks. Hence it took midseason for NJ to finally pick him up and we have played BETTER (by a significant margin), without him.

Shammyguy3
03-07-2012, 06:00 PM
also, terry played out of his mind and stepped up and was a true second option in the finals. not to mention the other perimeter guys that they had that stepped up and beat us with the 3 ball a lot, which is another way to beat the heat.

they had the perfect mix of the deadly big man in the post who alters a lot of shots, a superstar, a second option, and other perimeter options who made their 3's.


bulls don't have that.

The Bulls are the 4th best three point shooting team in the league. And we have the best defense in the league, the best rebounding team in the league, and the deepest team in the league. None of that can be said about the Mavs last year (possibly deepest team, or in the discussion). But that's it.

Chi City23
03-07-2012, 06:04 PM
Your late game execution won't be getting so much better until you find a better 2nd option. that is entirely my point. if rip can stay healthy and contribute 17 points a night consistently, you might have a chance, but if he is injured like he has been all year, you guys don't have a chance, not because you aren't a great team, but because the heat are just a horrible matchup for you.

So basically you're saying the Bulls can hang with Miami til the very end, even though the Heat are a horrible matchup for the Bulls?? How does that make sense?? The Bulls offense was 14-16th in the league last year with Rose only missing like 4 games. This year they're #3 with him missing 10 games so how has the Bulls offense stayed the same again??

I'm not arguing that the Heat shouldn't be favored to win but you claiming 'you don't have a chance' is idiotic. The Bulls do have a chance same way Dallas had a chance to beat the Heat in the Finals ;)

frankjay
03-07-2012, 06:18 PM
Da bulls

Wolfman01
03-07-2012, 08:04 PM
Of course the Thunder will finish with the best record without a question.

JordansBulls
03-08-2012, 01:36 AM
If dengs your second option he wasnt that good last season when you guys needed one. Maybe he is the answer this year, but i wouldn't count on boozer to get critical buckets at the end of games. And i guess rip can help if he's healthy. ECF cant come soon enough
Wish we had 2007 version of Boozer then the series would be more interesting.

JordansBulls
03-16-2012, 12:45 PM
Currently

Chicago 36-9
OKC 33-10
Miami 31-11

uptown0364
03-16-2012, 01:04 PM
For anyone saying the Bulls offense isn't any better than last year and not good enough to hang with the Heat because we need more scorers obviously doesn't know these stats:

Bulls #1 in NBA in Rebounding
Bulls #1 in NBA offensive efficiency
Bulls only team in league that's undefeated when scoring 100 points (18-0)
Bulls only team in league with a winning record when opponent scores 100 (7-2)
Bulls #1 in NBA in assists
Bulls #5 in NBA in 3 point shooting
Bulls #6 in NBA in scoring

effen5
03-16-2012, 01:21 PM
For anyone saying the Bulls offense isn't any better than last year and not good enough to hang with the Heat because we need more scorers obviously doesn't know these stats:

Bulls #1 in NBA in Rebounding
Bulls #1 in NBA offensive efficiency
Bulls only team in league that's undefeated when scoring 100 points (18-0)
Bulls only team in league with a winning record when opponent scores 100 (7-2)
Bulls #1 in NBA in assists
Bulls #5 in NBA in 3 point shooting
Bulls #6 in NBA in scoring

You know whats scary?

Thats with injuries to Rose, Rip, Deng, and watson missing significant parts of the season.

Also one of the main reason why the offense this season has been much better is that Boozer and Noah are both healthy and the fact that they finally had time to get accustomed to each other.

Last year the offense was a mess because when Boozer came back from an injury Noah was hurt, when Noah came back from an injury, Boozer was hurt, then when the playoff started, Boozer played the whole playoffs injured with a turf toe.

So if anybody thinks this offense is even remotely close to what it was last year, you are dead wrong. Even with Ronnie Brewer starting instead of Bogans last year is a MAJOR upgrade. As you saw in the last heat game, he works the baseline extremely well while Bogans sets up a tent in the corner waiting to shoot off a three.

gotoHcarolina52
03-16-2012, 02:00 PM
For anyone saying the Bulls offense isn't any better than last year and not good enough to hang with the Heat because we need more scorers obviously doesn't know these stats:

Bulls #1 in NBA in Rebounding
Bulls #1 in NBA offensive efficiency
Bulls only team in league that's undefeated when scoring 100 points (18-0)
Bulls only team in league with a winning record when opponent scores 100 (7-2)
Bulls #1 in NBA in assists
Bulls #5 in NBA in 3 point shooting
Bulls #6 in NBA in scoring



Chicago is #3 in offensive efficiency behind Miami (#1) and OKC (#2)
Chicago is #7 in Effective FG% (Miami #1; OKC #2)
Chicago is #7 in True Shooting% (OKC #1; Miami #2)

Source (http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats)

The Bulls are improved on offense from last year, but they're still a mediocre shooting team that relies on its excellent offensive rebounding abilities to win games. If you can limit their rebounding advantage to ~ +5 or less (as the HEAT did in most games of the ECF), Chicago will struggle to score.

effen5
03-16-2012, 02:46 PM
Chicago is #3 in offensive efficiency behind Miami (#1) and OKC (#2)
Chicago is #7 in Effective FG% (Miami #1; OKC #2)
Chicago is #7 in True Shooting% (OKC #1; Miami #2)

Source (http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats)

The Bulls are improved on offense from last year, but they're still a mediocre shooting team that relies on its excellent offensive rebounding abilities to win games. If you can limit their rebounding advantage to ~ +5 or less (as the HEAT did in most games of the ECF), Chicago will struggle to score.

Out of curiosity, how many rebounds did UD contribute during the Bulls Heat series? Because if my memory serves me correctly (which I can be completely wrong) UD was the biggest reason why the Bulls lost that series.

And if thats the case....UD has been trash this year and won't provide the same kind of energy this year like he did in the playoffs IMO.

He115ing
03-16-2012, 03:04 PM
Bulls beat Heat without Rose.
Can Thunder beat Heat without Durant? Until this happens, it is the Bulls.

redwhitenblue
03-16-2012, 03:40 PM
Out of curiosity, how many rebounds did UD contribute during the Bulls Heat series? Because if my memory serves me correctly (which I can be completely wrong) UD was the biggest reason why the Bulls lost that series.

And if thats the case....UD has been trash this year and won't provide the same kind of energy this year like he did in the playoffs IMO.
Asik was also out of that series with the broken leg.

justinnum1
03-16-2012, 03:42 PM
Out of curiosity, how many rebounds did UD contribute during the Bulls Heat series? Because if my memory serves me correctly (which I can be completely wrong) UD was the biggest reason why the Bulls lost that series.

And if thats the case....UD has been trash this year and won't provide the same kind of energy this year like he did in the playoffs IMO.

Ud has been trash offensivley, but he still can rebound the ball;)

but keep doubting him, will see how well that works out

JordansBulls
03-18-2012, 12:06 AM
Bulls and Thunder both lost at home on Friday night.

gotoHcarolina52
03-18-2012, 03:33 PM
Out of curiosity, how many rebounds did UD contribute during the Bulls Heat series? Because if my memory serves me correctly (which I can be completely wrong) UD was the biggest reason why the Bulls lost that series.

And if thats the case....UD has been trash this year and won't provide the same kind of energy this year like he did in the playoffs IMO.

UD averaged 4.6 rebounds per game in that series (source (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_ECF.html)). He's currently averaging 7.6 (source (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hasleud01.html)).

Uh oh.

JordansBulls
03-18-2012, 05:22 PM
UD averaged 4.6 rebounds per game in that series (source (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_ECF.html)). He's currently averaging 7.6 (source (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hasleud01.html)).

Uh oh.

Definitely a big help. He is Taj Gibson now.

ThunderousDemon
03-18-2012, 05:29 PM
Lakers

Laces-Out
03-18-2012, 05:37 PM
Knicks

theheatles
03-18-2012, 06:09 PM
Asik was also out of that series with the broken leg.

asik only missed 1 game in that series

Fireworld
03-18-2012, 08:27 PM
Chicago if Rose can stay healthy. If he stays injured, it will cost them 3-5 loss's.

JordansBulls
03-28-2012, 04:51 PM
Chicago 40-11
OKC 38-12
Miami 35-13

He115ing
03-28-2012, 04:58 PM
I think the Bulls finish with the best record, but I'm still betting on a Heat-Thunder finals.

I think Heat will be screwed again if this happens.

AntiG
03-28-2012, 05:38 PM
OKC. they are beasting everyone right now.