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NetsPaint
03-03-2012, 10:50 PM
The Magic has had several good players around Howard the past few years. Would a coaching change benefit the team and convince Howard to stay? Stan Van Gundy was similar to D'Antoni most of his time as a head coach, letting players jack up tons of threes.

MAC10TIZZY
03-03-2012, 11:37 PM
The Magic has had several good players around Howard the past few years. Would a coaching change benefit the team and convince Howard to stay? Stan Van Gundy was similar to D'Antoni most of his time as a head coach, letting players jack up tons of threes.



....we shoot three's cause dwight gets doubled...besides last year id say our succes has been pretty good. you can not blame a coach in this position

Chronz
03-03-2012, 11:43 PM
The Magic has had several good players around Howard the past few years. Would a coaching change benefit the team and convince Howard to stay? Stan Van Gundy was similar to D'Antoni most of his time as a head coach, letting players jack up tons of threes.
Lol you just compared two coaches who couldn't be any more different.

justinnum1
03-03-2012, 11:45 PM
lol, svg is a good coach. magic players effort is inconsistent, and there perimeter talent is lacking

Aust
03-03-2012, 11:58 PM
Lebron all over again if they try to change coaches to please him

At some point you have to say enough is enough are you leaving or staying

NYMetros
03-04-2012, 12:10 AM
They're just not a very talented team, it's not the coach's fault his GM won't get him any good players. Other than Ryan Anderson and Dwight obviously, there is no talent on that team.

psperry34116
03-04-2012, 12:45 AM
They're just not a very talented team, it's not the coach's fault his GM won't get him any good players. Other than Ryan Anderson and Dwight obviously, there is no talent on that team.

Agreed. Their GM has made some of the most inexplicable deals in the game.
Adding Gortat and Pietrus as throw ins while trading essentially the same players for each other (Carter, Richardson).
Signing Rashard Lewis to a 100 billion dollar contract.
Resigning Richardson for 4 years at 31, destroying cap space he could use to get guys who could help Howard stay.
Trading Brandon Bass for Big Baby(thx).

JJ_JKidd
03-04-2012, 01:59 AM
Its due to the Coach whos a master of panic :facepalm:

UPRock
03-04-2012, 02:18 AM
No, he's a good coach. The Lakers should trade for him, he's better than Fisher and actually he's a coach because he doesn't want to humiliate Fisher with his skills set.

Raph12
03-04-2012, 04:03 AM
Did you just compare Stan Van Gundy to Mike D'Antoni? Wow talk about a failed attempt... As for the Magic's style of play, considering there isn't a single player (outside of Dwight), who could create a shot for himself or his teammates; I think Stan has done a pretty good job. If you're going to blame someone, blame Otis, he hasn't been able to get that #2 (or #1) "goto" guy that the Magic need to be more versatile offensively.

As for the playing style being "the reason why they haven't had more success?"; the Magic have the most wins (regular season and playoffs combined) of any team not named the "Lakers" or "Celtics", for the last 4 seasons... Considering their roster, that's pretty damn good.

PacersForLife
03-04-2012, 04:28 AM
It's just like Jim O'Brien's system basically. O'Brien never had success, but he never had Dwight either.

Lim
03-04-2012, 06:04 AM
if Dwight stays, Orlando has arguably the best chance at beating Miami imo. Miami lost to Dallas cause they struggled against their zone and they were shooting the 3 ball well. Orlando does both of those things pretty good.

LakersIn5
03-04-2012, 06:34 AM
the magic's style of play is perfect for dwight howard. dwight needs shooters around him so he can pass it up when he gets double teamed. the magic have been succesful its just that other teams are better than them.

waveycrockett
03-04-2012, 08:31 AM
They suck because their guards suck. Period. The only player that can kind of create his own short is Turk which is sad.

janetvyfj
03-04-2012, 09:26 AM
lol, svg is a good coach. magic players effort is inconsistent, and there perimeter talent is lacking http://www.vvio.info/jpg1

magic players effort is inconsistent, and there perimeter talent is lacking

MAC10TIZZY
03-05-2012, 11:14 PM
They suck because their guards suck. Period. The only player that can kind of create his own short is Turk which is sad.

if fifth place in the leage means we suck , then so be it...smh

MAC10TIZZY
03-05-2012, 11:16 PM
if Dwight stays, Orlando has arguably the best chance at beating Miami imo. Miami lost to Dallas cause they struggled against their zone and they were shooting the 3 ball well. Orlando does both of those things pretty good.


although i like your attitude, we play zone less than 1% of the time...think we have run maybe 4 or 5 zone plays all year

Anon
03-05-2012, 11:34 PM
By more success I assume you mean winning a title. We have not done that because have not had a single player on our team who can create their own shot. We have not Dwight's entire career.

It is a testament to how dominant Dwight is that we have won as much as we have without elite talent around him.

Lim
03-06-2012, 05:32 AM
although i like your attitude, we play zone less than 1% of the time...think we have run maybe 4 or 5 zone plays all year

i must be seeing things then cause i could of sworn they play zone every time they face my sixers. regardless.. if SVG is smart, they will play zone vs Miami. Miami struggled a lot vs Dallas' zone in the finals.

dysonpwz
03-06-2012, 09:58 AM
The news really astonishing. http://www.utone.info/jpg1

Rockice_8
03-06-2012, 10:12 AM
No it's the fact that their second best players over the years have been Hedo, Lewis, and now Anderson. Dwight definitely needed more help then that. None of those guys were shot creators really. Dwight's never really had someone to take the pressure off him like another star could.

You can win playing that style if you can stay hot from outside but you live by the 3 you die by the 3 and the chances of staying hot throughout the playoffs are less likely then attacking the rim.

mgsports
03-06-2012, 11:13 AM
Aquire Nate Robinson/Camby/Crawford/Thomas.

nickdymez
03-06-2012, 01:20 PM
Didnt they go to the finals a few years ago?

Chronz
03-06-2012, 03:18 PM
Their style of play is the only reason they were able to defeat the Cavs, well that and their frontline unable to contain Dwight the way great teams were able to. 3pt shooting is like having a hot pitcher, its a complete game changer.

The Magic have the greatest variance in offensive efficiency the past few years, and its because they rely on an inconsistent shot, but when they have it going from out there they are impossible to beat.

BULLSFAN0810
03-06-2012, 03:29 PM
team philosphy.since Shaq Orlando tried to use a euro style. Abunch of shooters... and 1 super Center. Orlando likes a jumpshooting Pf,they leave Howard under the rim BY HIS SELF TO MAKE UP FOR TERRIBLE DEFENSE. He Rebounds by his self....And scores all the points by his self....he doesnt have a good PG..Nelson shouldve been moved 2 years ago...and IMO that wouldve made Howard happy...and you guys need a better SG...A defensive 3 point shooter that can create a little....BUT YEAH...ITS TEAM PHILOSPHY....CHANGE IT...YOU CANT HAVE a 3 POINT SHOOTING PF THATS REALLY A SF...OR A UNDERSIZED PF STARTING WITH HOWARD...THATS DUMB,ESPICALLY IF THEY CANT REBOUND OR PLAY BIG.

Raph12
03-06-2012, 04:51 PM
Their style of play is the only reason they were able to defeat the Cavs, well that and their frontline unable to contain Dwight the way great teams were able to. 3pt shooting is like having a hot pitcher, its a complete game changer.

The Magic have the greatest variance in offensive efficiency the past few years, and its because they rely on an inconsistent shot, but when they have it going from out there they are impossible to beat.

This sums up the Magic team completely... With the Spurs, they surrounded Duncan with 3pt shooters, but also had guys who could attack the rim (Manu/Tony) and/or the other inside presence (DRob). The Rockets also had 3pt shooters around Hakeem, but again it wasn't until they had legitimate slashers (Kenny Smith, Clyde, etc) and guys who could get their own shot, that made the offense versatile enough to win it all (MJ retiring helps also).

The Magic simply do not have another guy who could create for himself consistently, nor do they have anyone who attacks the basket after getting that pass. So instead of playing inside-out, they tend to play outside-in, trying to make the defense respect the 3-ball more than Dwight... It's definitely a "game-changer" but too unreliable.

mRc08
03-06-2012, 04:54 PM
Magic need better players. period.

Meaze_Gibson
03-06-2012, 05:11 PM
SVG is a good coach but I will say they dropped ball on Brandon Bass. If Orlando still had Gortat, Pietrus, Lee, etc. They would have had the defense, depth, and trading pieces to become a serious contender. Management killed them. SVG is good to me.