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jsthornton7
02-29-2012, 10:04 PM
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Orl has reached out to G State bout trading for Monte Ellis. No deal imminent, but Orl hoping to add Ellis to appease D Howard, sources say

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7631756/source-orlando-magic-reach-golden-state-warriors-monta-ellis-trade



The Orlando Magic have reached out to the Golden State Warriors about trading for Monta Ellis, according to league sources.

No deal is imminent, but Orlando is trying to add Ellis to its roster in hopes of appeasing Dwight Howard. Rather than aggressively pursuing a trade of Howard before the March 15 deadline, the Magic are desperately seeking a move that will convince Howard he can stay in Orlando.

Howard has long mentioned Ellis, who is the seventh leading scorer in the league with a 22.2 points average, as someone he would love to play with.

Golden State is willing to listen to the Magic about a potential trade for its shooting guard, but there is little on Orlando's roster that appeals to the Warriors, according to sources.

Thus, the sides are not close to having the parameters of a deal in place. Instead, Orlando will begin looking for other clubs to get involved in a three-or four-team deal that would satisfy the Warriors and bring Ellis to Orlando.

Golden State's greatest desire is to add a quality big man to its roster.

In fact, sources say the Warriors would actually like to trade for Howard, even though he has said he will not sign to play there long-term. In approaching the Magic about a Howard trade earlier this season, the Warriors were willing to send Ellis to Orlando in the trade.

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:06 PM
Nelson
Ellis
Richardson
Anderson
Biedrins

Is not bad

Reminds me of the Allen Iverson 76ers teams

Everyone plays defense and shoots 3s while Monta goes off

Robbw241
02-29-2012, 10:07 PM
They'd have to trade one of Anderson Nelson though at least^

jmoney85
02-29-2012, 10:09 PM
wth would be going to GSW... it would probably take a lot

Metsboi69
02-29-2012, 10:11 PM
Anderson would have to be apart of any deal but what else?

jsthornton7
02-29-2012, 10:12 PM
Anderson would have to be apart of any deal but what else?

probably 1st round picks and expiring contract(s)

CudiOnMyiPod
02-29-2012, 10:12 PM
Nelson, Anderson and Orton for Ellis and a 2nd.

jsthornton7
02-29-2012, 10:13 PM
i take that back orlando hasnt got any significant expiring contracts lol

KJ21.the.truth
02-29-2012, 10:15 PM
Richardson, orton, davis and a first

THE MTL
02-29-2012, 10:15 PM
One of the guys top 5 guys in the NBA that Howard wants to play with.

jsthornton7
02-29-2012, 10:16 PM
maybe jj redick ryan anderson and a pick

tredigs
02-29-2012, 10:16 PM
wth would be going to GSW... it would probably take a lot

Multi-team trade is the idea.

I'm all for it, just please, PLEASE find the right pieces. This will make or break the next 5 years for the franchise.

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:17 PM
Oh shoot this is without Howard????

No shot of happening

waveycrockett
02-29-2012, 10:17 PM
Nelson
Ellis
Richardson
Anderson
Biedrins

Is not bad

Reminds me of the Allen Iverson 76ers teams

Everyone plays defense and shoots 3s while Monta goes off

Ellis is 1/10the player AI was.

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:18 PM
Please give them.what they want not named Howard!!!!!

It would mean Deron to Dallas if this gets done

mdm692
02-29-2012, 10:19 PM
they want ellis and they want nash. what are they going to offer. they really need a third maybe fourth team to make it work.

Trueblue2
02-29-2012, 10:20 PM
Anderson, Reddick, And Davis for Ellis, Udoh, and a 2nd?

I don't see GS doing this unless Anderson is involved


Nelson/Duhon/Smith
Monta/J.Richardson
Hedo/Q.Richardson
Orton/Udoh
Howard/Orton

and

Curry/Thompson/Robinson
Reddick/Rush
Wright/??
Anderson/Lee/Davis
Biedrins/Davis

Both teams could benefit from that one

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:23 PM
Idk how the Magic get Nash and Ellis but please happen!!

oak2455
02-29-2012, 10:25 PM
Idk how the Magic get Nash and Ellis but please happen!!

Youre funny

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:25 PM
Suns and Warriors should be willing to be a part of a 4 team trade to stop another "power" team (Brooklyn) in the NBA!

Make it happen!

lvlheaded
02-29-2012, 10:26 PM
Id have to think Anderson, Reddick, Orton and a 1st would have to all go back to GS

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:27 PM
How do we even believe Broussard? ???

I think he makes up stuff to stay rellevant. I highly doubt GM's tell him what they are doing knowing his big assssss mouth

Monta is beast
02-29-2012, 10:28 PM
No way this happens unless the Warriors get a Center worth while.

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:29 PM
Warriors get Anderson, Reddick, Orton, 1st

Magic get Ellis, 2nd

Nelson
Ellis
Richardson
Davis
Howard

With Turk the 6th man playing a Lamar Odom role

(Lakers Odom)

broncosfan4eva
02-29-2012, 10:29 PM
no chance in hell

cle12152433
02-29-2012, 10:31 PM
This is just the Orlando version of what the Cavs did right before LeBron left (trying to get CP3, if you guys remember).

They know their star player is on the cusp of leaving so they are in "panic mode". Id say the Magic have a better chance of facing reality and trading Dwight than they do of actually putting another star player next to him. They have no trading pieces.

jmoney85
02-29-2012, 10:31 PM
its funny how this mavs fan is scurrrrrred

mavwar53
02-29-2012, 10:32 PM
There is nothing on Orlando's roster that the warriors would want for Ellis, sure Anderson is good but why get him? So he can sit behind David Lee? The warriors want to get better, a trade like this (any trade w/ Orlando) would just make them worse.

And first round picks are not what the Warriors ownership wants either, especially if the picks are going to be in that 20-30 range.

The only way they get Ellis is in a 3 team deal, and the Warriors will finally be in the drivers seat.

mavwar53
02-29-2012, 10:33 PM
Warriors get Anderson, Reddick, Orton, 1st

Magic get Ellis, 2nd

Nelson
Ellis
Richardson
Davis
Howard

With Turk the 6th man playing a Lamar Odom role

(Lakers Odom)

Keep dreaming, that does nothing for the warriors besides set them back.

BTW, I think Anderson is on that starting 5 of overrated players.

spreadeagle
02-29-2012, 10:35 PM
I reached out for some poon at the rippers last night...doesnt mean im gunna get it

Monta is beast
02-29-2012, 10:36 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=84mcft8

Orlando gives the Warriors a pick

CarniifeX
02-29-2012, 10:36 PM
Golden State wants Howard so badly they don't mind renting him, yet Orlando is trying to keep Howard by getting Monta.

No way Golden State makes a trade with Orlando if Dwight isn't going to the Warriors.

Avenged
02-29-2012, 10:36 PM
Didn't Dwight want to play with Jackson? And now Ellis?

Just weird that he claims he wants to win but he has an odd selection of players he would play with. Not trying to take anything away from Ellis but he is not a star.

LTBaByyy
02-29-2012, 10:37 PM
Magic: Ellis, Crawford, Warriors 2nd

Wizards: David Lee, JJ Reddick,

Warriors: Anderson, McGee, Liggins, Magic 1st

What do y'all think?

CarniifeX
02-29-2012, 10:37 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=84mcft8

Orlando gives the Warriors a pick

Phoenix has no intentions of trading Gortat.

Monta is beast
02-29-2012, 10:38 PM
Phoenix has no intentions of trading Gortat.

If the price is right.

CarniifeX
02-29-2012, 10:39 PM
Magic: Ellis, Crawford, Warriors 2nd

Wizards: David Lee, JJ Reddick,

Warriors: Anderson, McGee, Magic 1st

What do y'all think?

Washington can't those contract without going well over the cap.

spreadeagle
02-29-2012, 10:40 PM
Multi-team trade is the idea.

I'm all for it, just please, PLEASE find the right pieces. This will make or break the next 5 years for the franchise.

Raptors get Nelson ,Orl pick and Dorrell Wright GSW gets Ryan Anderson Calderon Barbosa and Orl gets Monta ??

CarniifeX
02-29-2012, 10:41 PM
If the price is right.

Two three-point specialists are the right price for a good big.

At least I don't think it is.

mavwar53
02-29-2012, 10:44 PM
Magic: Ellis, Crawford, Warriors 2nd

Wizards: David Lee, JJ Reddick,

Warriors: Anderson, McGee, Liggins, Magic 1st

What do y'all think?

Player wise I don't think it's bad but this is nowhere near close money wise, the wiz trade 3+ mil and take back 18+, warriors trade 23+mil and take back only about 4.5

CarniifeX
02-29-2012, 10:44 PM
Raptors get Nelson ,Orl pick and Dorrell Wright GSW gets Ryan Anderson Calderon Barbosa and Orl gets Monta ??

Raptors would go over the cap by about $1M I believe.

D12 fan
02-29-2012, 10:44 PM
Dwight/Monta is a good duo,this was the 1 guy I thought that could keep D12 in Orlando.He fits exactly what the Magic need a slasher and go-to scorer.I don't think it happens because the Magic have nothing to trade besides Anderson/Redick.

mavwar53
02-29-2012, 10:45 PM
Raptors get Nelson ,Orl pick and Dorrell Wright GSW gets Ryan Anderson Calderon Barbosa and Orl gets Monta ??

Stupid, why would the warriors want to add 2 more small guards to Curry? Makes no sense at all. Plus as I've said before, Anderson and Lee will not work together so it makes no sense for the warriors to get Anderson if they aren't dealing Lee.

Monta is beast
02-29-2012, 10:46 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73blgnh

spreadeagle
02-29-2012, 10:50 PM
Stupid, why would the warriors want to add 2 more small guards to Curry? Makes no sense at all. Plus as I've said before, Anderson and Lee will not work together so it makes no sense for the warriors to get Anderson if they aren't dealing Lee.

i dont care enough about this to fight with you :clap:

mavwar53
02-29-2012, 10:50 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73blgnh

I like that deal for all teams, I'd think the warriors might get a pick out of this by sending wright to the Magic, and the Wiz seem to get a lot for a guy that is going to leave them and a small expiring.

Maybe a first the warriors way from the Magic and a 2nd from the Wiz, it may be too much but I think the warriors get the least assurance out of this deal and the Wiz are getting quite a bit.

shep33
02-29-2012, 10:56 PM
Kinda don't get this. I understand the Magic need a guy who can score off the wing, however, this means less shots for Howard.

mavwar53
02-29-2012, 10:58 PM
Kinda don't get this. I understand the Magic need a guy who can score off the wing, however, this means less shots for Howard.

Not quite sure how that makes sense. Yes Ellis will take more shots than Anderson but he will also create more shots for Howard than Nelson does.

SugeKnight
02-29-2012, 11:01 PM
Nothing from Orlando besides Howard interests me.

mavwar53
02-29-2012, 11:03 PM
Nothing from Orlando besides Howard interests me.

Looking at what they have to trade I now realize why he wants out of there:superman:

Cano-Montero...
02-29-2012, 11:03 PM
what can the magic offer? lol

D12 fan
02-29-2012, 11:11 PM
The Magic can't make Lemonade without the Lemons.lol...

Mr_Amaziing
02-29-2012, 11:14 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73blgnh

This, everyone wins

Marques24kobe
02-29-2012, 11:22 PM
I think this is wishful thinking on the Magic's end. They would at least have to give up Ryan Anderson which would be doing more harm then good.

But then again if D12 doesnt recognize that, and it will keep him there who cares.

kozelkid
02-29-2012, 11:24 PM
Nelson
Ellis
Richardson
Anderson
Biedrins

Is not bad

Reminds me of the Allen Iverson 76ers teams

Everyone plays defense and shoots 3s while Monta goes off

You never fail to amaze me.

If you think that supporting cast is anywhere near some of the defensive units that AI had the fortune of playing, then I don't know what to tell you.

CarniifeX
02-29-2012, 11:32 PM
Golden State wants Howard so badly they don't mind renting him, yet Orlando is trying to keep Howard by getting Monta.

No way Golden State makes a trade with Orlando if Dwight isn't going to the Warriors.

Just as I said.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2012/02/29/in-exchange-for-monta-ellis-warriors-not-interested-in-any-magic-player-not-named-dwight/

ManRam
02-29-2012, 11:38 PM
Yeah. Every team throughout the past year I feel like has been after Monta. I'd be way more surprised if it happened than if it didn't.

Monta with Dwight is not bad. If we trade Dwight for Monta and other pieces, that's awful. We need a go-to scorer, and while Monta is close to as inefficient of a scorer as there is, he'd benefit from playing with Dwight, and he's better than what we have.

I'd imagine it would have to be Redick and/or Anderson and/or Draft picks...as a base deal.

Doubt it happens. Makes little sense.

ManRam
02-29-2012, 11:40 PM
Just as I said.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2012/02/29/in-exchange-for-monta-ellis-warriors-not-interested-in-any-magic-player-not-named-dwight/

Yeah. That's logical. I don't believe this is feasible.

CarniifeX
02-29-2012, 11:41 PM
Yeah. That's logical. I don't believe this is feasible.

Which is why it won't happen.

Chill_Will_24
02-29-2012, 11:42 PM
Chris Kaman to Golden State

Reddick and Ryan Anderson to New Orleans

Ellis to Orlando

Who says no?

Monta is beast
02-29-2012, 11:46 PM
Chris Kaman to Golden State

Reddick and Ryan Anderson to New Orleans

Ellis to Orlando

Who says no?

Golden State.

Hugbees
02-29-2012, 11:56 PM
LOL i love how Broussard gives conflicting reports to his own article. Brilliant

ManRam
03-01-2012, 12:03 AM
Golden State.

I don't think it would be crazy to say no at all, especially since they probably would since they actually think they can trade Monta and get Howard back (that's a "no" too)

...but I'm curious...what does GS have to do to become a playoff team with Monta in town? They're about to be 1 for 7 in making the playoffs since he's been there. At a certain point, don't you think they gotta blow it up? I guess, do you just not want to trade Monta?

Slimsim
03-01-2012, 12:13 AM
no ones doing Orlando any favors right now

mavwar53
03-01-2012, 12:13 AM
Chris Kaman to Golden State

Reddick and Ryan Anderson to New Orleans

Ellis to Orlando

Who says no?

Give the warriors NO's 1st and Orlando's 1st and they would accept, but just Kaman really? Man sometimes the stupidity on this website amazes me although it shouldn't anymore.

Monta is beast
03-01-2012, 12:20 AM
Give the warriors NO's 1st and Orlando's 1st and they would accept, but just Kaman really? Man sometimes the stupidity on this website amazes me although it shouldn't anymore.

I don't think it would take an additional two first round picks to make that trade feasible. I would want a Small Forward back like Aminu or Ariza though.

Yunqn
03-01-2012, 12:56 AM
gs
jameer nelson
jason richadson
orlando 1st
bucks cash

orlando
monta ellis
stephen jackson

mil
ryan anderson

its going to take all of dwights friends to keep him there.. and i think ellis can run the point .. not as a true point guard but if westbrook & jennings could then so could monta.. monta can actually pass.. unless you watch gs you wouldnt think so.. but monta & s jack could convince dwight imo .. def..

mavwar53
03-01-2012, 01:03 AM
gs
jameer nelson
jason richadson
orlando 1st
bucks cash

orlando
monta ellis
stephen jackson

mil
ryan anderson

its going to take all of dwights friends to keep him there.. and i think ellis can run the point .. not as a true point guard but if westbrook & jennings could then so could monta.. monta can actually pass.. unless you watch gs you wouldnt think so.. but monta & s jack could convince dwight imo .. def..

And why do the warriors do this? Makes 0 sense, get a back up PG at a huge cost, a back up SG to Thompson since this would then be a rebuilding team so why start J-Rich, and a first round pick that will be in the mid 20's. And cash? the warriors owners will spend as much money as it takes to win I don't think cash is going to influence them to take a couple bad contracts to aging players.

Yunqn
03-01-2012, 01:10 AM
And why do the warriors do this? Makes 0 sense, get a back up PG at a huge cost, a back up SG to Thompson since this would then be a rebuilding team so why start J-Rich, and a first round pick that will be in the mid 20's. And cash? the warriors owners will spend as much money as it takes to win I don't think cash is going to influence them to take a couple bad contracts to aging players.

i never said that gs would do this i was saying it for the magic's case since thir reaching outnot gs its so that orlando can get dwight his buddies

Yunqn
03-01-2012, 01:11 AM
I don't think it would take an additional two first round picks to make that trade feasible. I would want a Small Forward back like Aminu or Ariza though.

i think if ariza was thrown in it would look like a good deal..kaman is an expiring.. it allows them to go after mcgee and other f.a

mavwar53
03-01-2012, 01:12 AM
i never said that gs would do this i was saying it for the magic's case since thir reaching outnot gs its so that orlando can get dwight his buddies

why post a trade if it doesn't make any sense?

DeyAce
03-01-2012, 01:13 AM
i can see howard landing in golden st though

Monta is beast
03-01-2012, 01:19 AM
I don't see Howard coming to GS to be completely honest.

LTBaByyy
03-01-2012, 01:20 AM
Lets get a start started!!!

Doesn't even have to be Howard, any trade to start the dominos

chitown815
03-01-2012, 01:37 AM
korver, asik, brewer, and a pick for ellis works money wise

gotoHcarolina52
03-01-2012, 01:46 AM
Lets get a start started!!!

Doesn't even have to be Howard, any trade to start the dominos

Any trade? Ok then. Dirk for Boozer! Let's go! Get it started!

Daunter
03-01-2012, 09:29 AM
Monta Ellis is an underated player,he would be a great 2nd option for the Magic.

Aust
03-01-2012, 10:51 AM
GL ORL, idk how the hell they would pull that off unless they throw out some picks. Although, GS has been eager to get rid of Ellis for some time now.

If Dwight doesn't wanna come to LA to play with Kobe, he can have a poor mans Kobe come to ORL.

ManRam
03-01-2012, 11:16 AM
I hate make up trade proposals since 99.99% of the time we all have it wrong and we don't understand what it actually takes. Usually we're too bias as fans to put something fair out there, and we always forget how hard it is to give up something that you already have unless you are getting something MUCH better. Trades are hard to work out.

But, I'll indulge this time.

Mine is simple.

Orlando Sends: JJ Redick and Ryan Anderson
Golden State Sends: Monta Ellis

Now, I think that's a lot for someone like Ellis, who I'm not high on...especially with Dwight's uncertainty. If we make this trade, and then Dwight leaves, we're screwed. However, GS clearly values Monta very highly. They'll demand our two best/well-priced assets.

Nelson makes no sense because he's paid a good amount of money (the Warriors shouldn't be adding any long-term cap in any trade) and he'd be a backup. They have Nate to back up already, no sense in paying 6-7 million or whatever Nelson makes on another PG.

Richardson makes no sense because he's a long-term contract. Again, a young team who needs to semi-rebuild shouldn't take on old guys like Richardson. It hinders them. They aren't going to win this year, or even next year, so why bother with Richardson?


I think that's the fairest deal to both sides, especially since the burden is on Orlando, not GS here. We probably have to overspend. We want Monta, they don't WANT anything on our roster in particular but Dwight. So we have to give up more. I don't think I'd add a pick to this, but who knows.

With that said, I still doubt this would get done. I just don't see a fit.

Greet
03-01-2012, 11:21 AM
That really wouldn't get it done. GS values Ellis way to much.

rapjuicer06
03-01-2012, 11:32 AM
GS does value Ellis a lot, but it's just not working there. Adding Redick and Anderson to Curry and Rush would give them some of the best 3 point shooting in the league, with no one close. It gives the Warriors young pieces. Gives them a defender and a shooter at the SG spot and a shooter and rebounder at the PF spot. Is it enough for Ellis? Probably not, especially with how GS is...They just aren't a winning team and they have someone selling tickets and they do not want to trade that away, even if it is for the better of the team

D-Leethal
03-01-2012, 11:51 AM
Orlando probably has the worst trade assets in the NBA. They F'ed up just as bad as the Cavs did trying to build around Dwight. All they did was jump all over the first overpriced bad contract teams wanted to get rid of and try to pair them with Dwight as a 'quick fix'.....did a horrible job surrounding him with young talent.

The Lewis signing was a desperate joke of a move. Getting Turk and his contract was the same. Trading Lewis for Arenas was pretty much trading the worst contract in the NBA for the second worst in the NBA at the time.

Cleveland did the same thing by getting Jamison, Mo Williams, Shaq....Its like the Isiah Thomas way of building a team.

Instead of making cap conscious moves while they had these guys locked up with hopes of making a big splash, instead of being patient and waiting for legit options to become available they went for the first guy around. Why spend all that $$ on Rashard Lewis when real max guys would be available in coming seasons? Instead of taking a possible step back to take 3 steps forward with a big time move they kept trying to take baby steps forward and got nowhere.

I applaud the Mavs for seeing whats coming in the future and sacrificing a year, letting contracts expire to make a move that will extend their title window another 4-5 years.

Sometimes it takes that sacrificial season or taking a short term step back to be better off and keep moving forward long term.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
03-01-2012, 11:52 AM
Magic don't have much trade bait other then Anderson and Redick. Orlando first rounder is #24 as of right now. Thats not much value. I doubt Warriors take that little bit for Ellis. Besides I think Warriors would want to dump a player like Biedrins in the deal.

Daunter
03-01-2012, 12:39 PM
It would have been much better for the Warriors to trade with Minny.

ManRam
03-01-2012, 12:49 PM
Orlando probably has the worst trade assets in the NBA. They F'ed up just as bad as the Cavs did trying to build around Dwight. All they did was jump all over the first overpriced bad contract teams wanted to get rid of and try to pair them with Dwight as a 'quick fix'.....did a horrible job surrounding him with young talent.

The Lewis signing was a desperate joke of a move. Getting Turk and his contract was the same. Trading Lewis for Arenas was pretty much trading the worst contract in the NBA for the second worst in the NBA at the time.

Cleveland did the same thing by getting Jamison, Mo Williams, Shaq....Its like the Isiah Thomas way of building a team.

Instead of making cap conscious moves while they had these guys locked up with hopes of making a big splash, instead of being patient and waiting for legit options to become available they went for the first guy around. Why spend all that $$ on Rashard Lewis when real max guys would be available in coming seasons? Instead of taking a possible step back to take 3 steps forward with a big time move they kept trying to take baby steps forward and got nowhere.

I applaud the Mavs for seeing whats coming in the future and sacrificing a year, letting contracts expire to make a move that will extend their title window another 4-5 years.

Sometimes it takes that sacrificial season or taking a short term step back to be better off and keep moving forward long term.

They overpaid for Lewis, but they had to. He flat out said that the Magic had to offer more for him to go there. Orlando wasn't exactly having luck with the other guys that season. We had max money, we weren't going to the next season with escalating contracts, so we signed the best available guy. Oh well. It was a bad year to have max money...he was all there was. To call it a "joke of a move" is a bit harsh, considering he was an all-star in Orlando, and considering he was probably the second best player on a Finals and 2 ECF teams...he was just signed for too long, and kind of gave up.

Getting Hedo back was desperate, but again, we're talking about one of the 5 winningest teams in the NBA over the last 6-7 years. We got so close to the top, and we wanted to remain competitive, so we kept funneling money into the team. The team was playing the worst basketball it had played in a long time, and the front office decided they had to make a move. It was a lateral move, but I didn't blame them at the time, so I won't blame them now. It's hard to be cap conscious when you're a perennial playoff team with an owner who is old and wants to win now and WANTS to pour money into the team...and failure isn't an option.

It's so hard to win in this league, and we've gotten so close that it was impossible to give up. We went all in, and now we're paying for it. Oh well. That's how it goes. No regrets.

The Mavs went all in, much like the Magic, and they struck gold. The Magic aren't in the same situation the Mavs ever were, because Dirk leaving was NEVER a possibility. Dwight's uncertainty makes everything twice as difficult. You have to keep being competitive, acting with no regard to the future, or your little baby of a star will get pouty. The Mavs mortgaged their future a tremendous amount as well...basically setting up a one year window to win it all. They won it, and now they're going to have to rebuild.

The Magic will need a sacrificial season, that season hasn't come yet. It either should occur after we trade him, or next year if he's gone. Can't sacrifice it now. I want a complete rebuilding if we move Dwight, but it doesn't sound like our fossilized owner does.

tbomlad
03-01-2012, 01:08 PM
This is the trade:

Redick, Kaman, and Magic's 1st round pick to GS for Ellis (maybe Biedrins too)

Magic's 2nd round pick plus player (player being discussed, maybe Nelson) to NO

TrueFan420
03-01-2012, 01:21 PM
Orlando probably has the worst trade assets in the NBA. They F'ed up just as bad as the Cavs did trying to build around Dwight. All they did was jump all over the first overpriced bad contract teams wanted to get rid of and try to pair them with Dwight as a 'quick fix'.....did a horrible job surrounding him with young talent.

The Lewis signing was a desperate joke of a move. Getting Turk and his contract was the same. Trading Lewis for Arenas was pretty much trading the worst contract in the NBA for the second worst in the NBA at the time.

Cleveland did the same thing by getting Jamison, Mo Williams, Shaq....Its like the Isiah Thomas way of building a team.

Instead of making cap conscious moves while they had these guys locked up with hopes of making a big splash, instead of being patient and waiting for legit options to become available they went for the first guy around. Why spend all that $$ on Rashard Lewis when real max guys would be available in coming seasons? Instead of taking a possible step back to take 3 steps forward with a big time move they kept trying to take baby steps forward and got nowhere.

I applaud the Mavs for seeing whats coming in the future and sacrificing a year, letting contracts expire to make a move that will extend their title window another 4-5 years.

Sometimes it takes that sacrificial season or taking a short term step back to be better off and keep moving forward long term.

dude that video clip is sick

driz
03-01-2012, 01:31 PM
It's going to take Anderson, maybe Redick and MULTIPLE first-rounders. What good would it be taking a team's first-rounder who you'd instantly make a contender post-trade? It would take multiple picks just to peak their interest, as well as the best player on your roster not named Dwight.

Then what if Dwight STILL doesn't want to stick around? Now your franchise in Orlando is left with a HUGE hole...a pure scorer you paid the farm for...and not much else.

Not a good look, IMO.