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Valkyrie
02-28-2012, 06:35 AM
I talked about this to one of my friends who is a Laker fan. He says this era is tougher. I think the permentier players are better (Wade, Kobe, James, Tmac, Pierce, VC, Manu, Melo, Roy, Allen, Arenas, Durant, Rose etc) but obviously the centers were better in the 90's. Which era was tougher to play in taking everything into consideration?

Raps18-19 Champ
02-28-2012, 06:40 AM
In terms of winning, the 90's.

Raidaz4Life
02-28-2012, 07:08 AM
A team like Dallas wouldn't have stood a chance in the 90's so easily the 90's

MELO 15
02-28-2012, 08:16 AM
In the 90's the game was alot more physical, so I say the 90's

R. Johnson#3
02-28-2012, 08:21 AM
Lets see any team from the 2000's try to battle in the paint with Ewing and Oak.

effen5
02-28-2012, 09:08 AM
Players like rose and Lebron who gets to the rim at will wouldn't happen in the 90s.

Hellcrooner
02-28-2012, 12:05 PM
first half of the 80s ( before the BIG drop of talent that the Megaexpansion of Heat/Magic/Hornets/Woves happened, to only make it even less talented adding raptors and grizz not much later).

ChicagoJ
02-28-2012, 12:11 PM
Just look at the roster of the Dream team in 92. You can't put together an equal team in the 2000's.

Kay-Gee
02-28-2012, 12:14 PM
90's, hands down. Much more physical and refs let the guys play.

JC_
02-28-2012, 01:00 PM
Players like rose and Lebron who gets to the rim at will wouldn't happen in the 90s.

I don't know, Lebron is pretty solid and has been known to finish even with arms wrapped up.

Becks2307
02-28-2012, 01:00 PM
For people who say Lebron would not be able to drive as well, What does Lebron average in the 90s then??

utl768
02-28-2012, 01:01 PM
90's because Jordan was so dominant

JordansBulls
02-28-2012, 01:02 PM
90's for sure. Just look at the guys who won league or finals mvp's? All guys were top 3 in the league. In 2000's you had some guys that won finals mvp that weren't even top 15 in the league. Not to mention in the 2000's the U.S. won a few bronze medals.

kdspurman
02-28-2012, 01:05 PM
Lets see any team from the 2000's try to battle in the paint with Ewing and Oak.

I think the 99 & 03 Spurs would have, as well as any of the Lakers 00-02 championship teams. I'd even throw in the 04 Pistons

kdspurman
02-28-2012, 01:06 PM
90's for sure. Just look at the guys who won league or finals mvp's? All guys were top 3 in the league. In 2000's you had some guys that won finals mvp that weren't even top 15 in the league. Not to mention in the 2000's the U.S. won a few bronze medals.

Duncan? Shaq? Kobe? There were some in the 2000's. 90's definitely had more top 10 ever like talent, but the 2000's has a few as well.

DerekCzajkowski
02-28-2012, 01:07 PM
90s was deeper with talent

Redskins10
02-28-2012, 01:07 PM
Just look at the roster of the Dream team in 92. You can't put together an equal team in the 2000's.

Listen to Bill Simmons latest podcast with Chris Mullin, they make a really great case on why this years olympic team could beat the 92 Dream team.

BigBlueCrew
02-28-2012, 01:07 PM
the 90's this shouldn't even be close

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 01:08 PM
I guess only old ppl like myself can really compare. The 90s is tougher but to say Bron wouldn't finish is crazy I hate the guy but he's a monster. I think the NBA def softened it's physical play to get more dunk highlights. If u watch old games, players wouldn't ***** n cry as much after a hard foul that wasn't called. They just retaliate but are smart enough to find ways to hide it. Today, everyone cries especially the stars.

Heediot
02-28-2012, 01:10 PM
Early to Mid 90's.

JordansBulls
02-28-2012, 01:12 PM
Duncan? Shaq? Kobe? There were some in the 2000's. 90's definitely had more top 10 ever like talent, but the 2000's has a few as well.

Never said there weren't good players. I said in this era in the 2000's you had guys like Billups (wasn't even ever an allstar yet), Parker, Pierce who won finals mvp's while the 90's you had MJ and Hakeem and then Duncan at the end to win them.

nickdymez
02-28-2012, 01:14 PM
Lets see any team from the 2000's try to battle in the paint with Ewing and Oak.

Hows about the 05 pistons?

Bring The Heat
02-28-2012, 01:15 PM
I've been a basketball fan through the 90's and seen it all.. and to be honest we have new breed of dominant players in the league today, the athleticism is on a new level. We never saw point guard's with the athleticism like Rose, Westbrook. The physicality on defense in the 90s was higher I'll definitely admit that. But these guys get to the paint at will.


If you think about it what player in the 90s really challenged Jordan or atleast at his position? What if Kobe, Wade, Lebron played in the 90s? There wasn't another player similiar to Jordan's style like Kobe/Wade that was able to challenge him. Obviously Jordan is the GOAT and not taking anything away but just something to think about.

The 2000 lakers, the Spurs also were tough teams that could've competed with any of the teams in the 90s.

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 01:16 PM
I'll take oak over anybody from 05 Detroit. Not taking anything away from Detroit but Wallace don't scare anyone

lakerboy
02-28-2012, 01:16 PM
2000s. People forget about the San Antonio Spurs. We had two dynasties in the 2000s era, only one in the 90s.

nickdymez
02-28-2012, 01:17 PM
Its really tough to tell. The game is so much more soft that its almost laughable

nickdymez
02-28-2012, 01:18 PM
I'll take oak over anybody from 05 Detroit. Not taking anything away from Detroit but Wallace don't scare anyone

Wallace didnt have to scare anyone, he stopped everyone. And your insane if you would take Charles ****ing Oakly over Chauncy, Rip, Sheed, And Ben..

ManRam
02-28-2012, 01:18 PM
very different leagues. a lot of teams from both eras wouldn't be as good in the other era as they were in theirs.

"tougher"? well, that could mean a bunch of different things, but i guess i'll lean towards the 90s, but it's very close. some of these stars today are as good as their counterparts in the 90s. the main difference is big men.

ManningToTyree
02-28-2012, 01:20 PM
90s no doubt

Hellcrooner
02-28-2012, 01:20 PM
90's for sure. Just look at the guys who won league or finals mvp's? All guys were top 3 in the league. In 2000's you had some guys that won finals mvp that weren't even top 15 in the league. Not to mention in the 2000's the U.S. won a few bronze medals.

Well that has something to do with other countrys catching up?

i mean.

Petrovic/Marciulonis/kukoc/Radja/Divac + Sabonis

would get their *** heavily spanked by

Nash/Manu/Dirk/Pau/MIng + Parker

cubfan23
02-28-2012, 01:23 PM
90's wayyy tougher than the *****es in the NBA in the 00's or even now. You see the Knicks vs Bulls series and any other series pretty much with the Knicks, Starks/Oakley/Ewing/Mason all a dirty hard nosed team but that made the NBA good. Even late 80's early 90s with the Pistons in Dumas/Lambeer/Rodman/Thomas.

lakerboy
02-28-2012, 01:25 PM
very different leagues. a lot of teams from both eras wouldn't be as good in the other era as they were in theirs.

"tougher"? well, that could mean a bunch of different things, but i guess i'll lean towards the 90s, but it's very close. some of these stars today are as good as their counterparts in the 90s. the main difference is big men.

The 90s had Ewing, Olajuwon, and Mutumbo. I refuse to mention Chuck bec IMO he is from the 80s.

2000 has Shaq and Tim Duncan, arguably the best C and PF ever.

thekmp211
02-28-2012, 01:26 PM
90's were a deeper, tougher, more skilled league. post-jordan recovery only really kicked in starting last season. the early 2000's were a pretty big joke, competition wise.

lakerboy
02-28-2012, 01:26 PM
90's wayyy tougher than the *****es in the NBA in the 00's or even now. You see the Knicks vs Bulls series and any other series pretty much with the Knicks, Starks/Oakley/Ewing/Mason all a dirty hard nosed team but that made the NBA good. Even late 80's early 90s with the Pistons in Dumas/Lambeer/Rodman/Thomas.

Toughness is overrated. I mean this isn't boxing. We're playing basketball, not trying to knock the opponent out. Seriously so what if they are tougher? Are they better?

central2003
02-28-2012, 01:26 PM
90's .. players were more loyal to their franchises. So the league was more competitive instead of Ewing wanting to join forces with Jordan, Robinson, Hakeem, Barkley or malone taking his talents to play with Ewing in a big market.

PhillyFaninLA
02-28-2012, 01:28 PM
The 90's.

You had fantastic teams like Detroit at the beginning, the Lakers at the beginning and end, the Bulls, the Rockets, the Jazz, the Knicks, even the Pacers, and the Spurs towards the end.

I think most of the teams I listed can beat any of the teams that won a title since 2000.

AIRMAR72
02-28-2012, 01:30 PM
its the 90s players earn their checks backthan

lakerboy
02-28-2012, 01:31 PM
The 90's.

You had fantastic teams like Detroit at the beginning, the Lakers at the beginning and end, the Bulls, the Rockets, the Jazz, the Knicks, even the Pacers, and the Spurs towards the end.

I think most of the teams I listed can beat any of the teams that won a title since 2000.

Detroit belonged to the 80s.
The Spurs and the Lakers belong to the 2000s.

I mean if you take them out, you have the Bulls, the Rockets, the Jazz, the Knicks and the Pacers vs.

Shaq-Kobe Lakers, Kobe-Pau Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (another dynasty), Detroit Pistons 05, Boston Celtics 2008, and the Miami Heat.

Outside the Chicago Bulls, it's obvious the 2000s is better.

nickdymez
02-28-2012, 01:33 PM
That 08' Celtics would give any team from any era a run. One of the greatest teams ever imo.

celtNYpatsHeels
02-28-2012, 01:34 PM
90s - thomas, rodman, shaq, mourning, larry johnson, jordan, hakeem, pippen, ewing, motumbo, stockton, malone, barkley, david robinson, reggie, brid and magic sort of, drexler, mullin, payton, kemp, dumas, both hardaways, rice, kidd, sprewell, mason, baker before he became a blimp, kg, juwan howard, webber, rose, mark jackson, vlade, marbury, bigdog robinson, mcdyess, then theres guys like kobe iverson camby ray nash duncan billups mcgrady rasheed stackhouse who played both 90s and 00s

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 01:35 PM
I'll take oak over anybody from 05 Detroit. Not taking anything away from Detroit but Wallace don't scare anyone

Wallace didnt have to scare anyone, he stopped everyone. And your insane if you would take Charles ****ing Oakly over Chauncy, Rip, Sheed, And Ben..

We're talking about playing a tougher game. Obviously other factors need to be considered if picking a team. But the thread is about toughness.not overall play. Toughness to me is being physical. Not constantly fouling but getting dirty in the post or fighting for the rebound. Or diving into stands for a loose ball. Or even standing up to someone u know has a physical advantage over u. Oakley never backed down. Rodman obviously never backed down. I'm not saying Detroit was soft. but if u think rip is tough or even sheed is tough ur the crazy one. I'll give u billups n Wallace but compared to guys from the 90s. No way.

thekmp211
02-28-2012, 01:36 PM
Toughness is overrated. I mean this isn't boxing. We're playing basketball, not trying to knock the opponent out. Seriously so what if they are tougher? Are they better?

it means that you have to take the spectacular guard play of this era with a grain of salt. guards weren't allowed to drive to the basket without getting walloped.

the guard-centric play of the current era is a result of rule changes made purposely to add excitement to the game i.e. make it easier for guards.

early 90's jordan would fall asleep on his way to the basket nowadays.

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 01:37 PM
08 celtics??? Wtf. Are u serious??

Sly Guy
02-28-2012, 01:39 PM
90's. I'm convinced that the perimeter players you speak of 'appear' better because of the way the game is being officiated.

nickdymez
02-28-2012, 01:40 PM
We're talking about playing a tougher game. Obviously other factors need to be considered if picking a team. But the thread is about toughness.not overall play. Toughness to me is being physical. Not constantly fouling but getting dirty in the post or fighting for the rebound. Or diving into stands for a loose ball. Or even standing up to someone u know has a physical advantage over u. Oakley never backed down. Rodman obviously never backed down. I'm not saying Detroit was soft. but if u think rip is tough or even sheed is tough ur the crazy one. I'll give u billups n Wallace but compared to guys from the 90s. No way.

I get what your saying. I misunderstood for a sec. But dont agree about Sheed, i think he was a tough sob.

PhillyFaninLA
02-28-2012, 01:42 PM
Detroit belonged to the 80s.
The Spurs and the Lakers belong to the 2000s.

I mean if you take them out, you have the Bulls, the Rockets, the Jazz, the Knicks and the Pacers vs.

Shaq-Kobe Lakers, Kobe-Pau Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (another dynasty), Detroit Pistons 05, Boston Celtics 2008, and the Miami Heat.

Outside the Chicago Bulls, it's obvious the 2000s is better.


The belonged in is your opinion not mine. I stand by what I said and they belong there because of how I worded it.

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 01:43 PM
Ok fair. But Sheed is by no means tough in my eyes. Someone who has as many techs as him can't be tough. It shows how much of a crybaby u are. U complain n complain u think the refs are gonna change their minds after making the call?? Him crying all these years shows he's not tough at all. Hell, billups is tougher than sheed!

nickdymez
02-28-2012, 01:46 PM
Ok fair. But Sheed is by no means tough in my eyes. Someone who has as many techs as him can't be tough. It shows how much of a crybaby u are. U complain n complain u think the refs are gonna change their minds after making the call?? Him crying all these years shows he's not tough at all. Hell, billups is tougher than sheed!

Kobe and Dwight usually lead the league in techs. Can we at least agree that Kobe is pretty tough?

corky831
02-28-2012, 01:47 PM
08 celtics??? Wtf. Are u serious??

team finished the regular season 66-16 and beat the Lakers in game 6 by 39....lol I'd think they'd be able to compete with any team that won in the past as well....

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 01:52 PM
W/o a doubt Kobe is tough. But the thread is comparing the 90s to 00s. I'll take the best players from the 90s any day vs today's players. Remember, going to the hoop back in the day was a lot harder than today. Even posting up was harder then. Idk the stat but there must have been more fights in the 90s than in 00s. That's bc players took stuff seriously compared to the goofballs in today's game who are so buddy buddy with other players on other teams. It's like a Hollywood NBA.

nickdymez
02-28-2012, 01:53 PM
W/o a doubt Kobe is tough. But the thread is comparing the 90s to 00s. I'll take the best players from the 90s any day vs today's players. Remember, going to the hoop back in the day was a lot harder than today. Even posting up was harder then. Idk the stat but there must have been more fights in the 90s than in 00s. That's bc players took stuff seriously compared to the goofballs in today's game who are so buddy buddy with other players on other teams. It's like a Hollywood NBA.

hahahaha.. Agreed

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 01:57 PM
08 celtics??? Wtf. Are u serious??

team finished the regular season 66-16 and beat the Lakers in game 6 by 39....lol I'd think they'd be able to compete with any team that won in the past as well....

I get ur reasoning. Im not saying they were horrible but I'd take a lot of other champions before 08 celtics. We got any laker team in the early 00s. Or even the spurs team. U can even make an argument for the Detroit pistons. This may be off topic but to say 08 celtics is one of the best of all the champions in NBA history is crazy....at least to me.

corky831
02-28-2012, 02:02 PM
They weren't the the best team ever....but I'd say they are fringe top 10....with this espn article ranking them at 10 actually

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Finalists1-10

Lakerhead4ever
02-28-2012, 02:05 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm going with the 2000s. The 90s were dominated by Jordan in terms if MVP and finals appearances, and the bulls were the heavy favorite most of the 90s. I think the rockets won back to back when Jordan wasn't there? I'm going with the 2000s

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 02:06 PM
To say top 10 of all time is tough. And I don't like espn. Theyre biased n hopefully y'all can agree. I was thinking of like top 5 when I read the quote initially but to say top 10, It wouldn't be ludicrous but i don't think I'd have them in my top 10... Maybe

Matrix3132
02-28-2012, 02:12 PM
Like many have said, 90s were more physical and in the 00s, superstars got to the line so easily which has not only inflated some players stats but has handicapped defenses from being able to make plays in so many situations

sammid21
02-28-2012, 02:14 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm going with the 2000s. The 90s were dominated by Jordan in terms if MVP and finals appearances, and the bulls were the heavy favorite most of the 90s. I think the rockets won back to back when Jordan wasn't there? I'm going with the 2000s

The competition in the 90s was better, fiercer. Sure Jordan and the Bulls won title after title, but the road to the finals was tough, which is why Jordan is the GOAT. Nowadays superstars get way more fouls called for breathing on then, the league is pussified. the 80s were tougher but the 90s had a good balance of fouls called and refs letting players play. Now its being controlled too much by the league/refs/stern

Raph12
02-28-2012, 02:19 PM
Harder to score in the 90s, much harder to play defense in the 2000s and on...

Chronz
02-28-2012, 02:39 PM
There is no tougher era than the 99-04 era, defense was at its apex. Every coach that has lived through both eras will tell you how much more advanced defenses are nowadays.

Chronz
02-28-2012, 02:49 PM
The competition in the 90s was better, fiercer. Sure Jordan and the Bulls won title after title, but the road to the finals was tough, which is why Jordan is the GOAT. Nowadays superstars get way more fouls called for breathing on then, the league is pussified. the 80s were tougher but the 90s had a good balance of fouls called and refs letting players play. Now its being controlled too much by the league/refs/stern

Not really, you had MJ with by far the most talent, then everyone else playing for 2nd

Chronz
02-28-2012, 02:50 PM
W/o a doubt Kobe is tough. But the thread is comparing the 90s to 00s. I'll take the best players from the 90s any day vs today's players. Remember, going to the hoop back in the day was a lot harder than today. Even posting up was harder then. Idk the stat but there must have been more fights in the 90s than in 00s. That's bc players took stuff seriously compared to the goofballs in today's game who are so buddy buddy with other players on other teams. It's like a Hollywood NBA.
It was easier to post up back then. And it may have been harder to drive to due hand checking but what does it matter if defenses as a whole were harder? Handchecking saved the league and restored normalcy.


hahahaha.. Agreed
On which point?

Chronz
02-28-2012, 02:52 PM
Never said there weren't good players. I said in this era in the 2000's you had guys like Billups (wasn't even ever an allstar yet), Parker, Pierce who won finals mvp's while the 90's you had MJ and Hakeem and then Duncan at the end to win them.

That just shows you how hard it is for a star to win a title in this era.

Chronz
02-28-2012, 02:54 PM
first half of the 80s ( before the BIG drop of talent that the Megaexpansion of Heat/Magic/Hornets/Woves happened, to only make it even less talented adding raptors and grizz not much later).

WTF? Those teams were added in the 88-89 season.

Chronz
02-28-2012, 02:56 PM
Early to Mid 90's.

Is the question which era was tougher or more talented? Because if we are speaking on star talent I do think your era was basketball at its best. But those guys would have it alot tougher in the 99-04 era.

Ray
02-28-2012, 02:56 PM
In fairness to guys like Lebron, he grew up in an era when the game got soft. If he played in the 80's and 90's I think he would grown up playing a lot more physically and tougher and probably would still be a dominant player in those eras.

That being said, I just think the overall talent is better in the 90's than 2000's and therefore harder to win.

Chronz
02-28-2012, 02:59 PM
Its really tough to tell. The game is so much more soft that its almost laughable

Its softer because the defenses and athletes were getting too good. All the soft rule changes did is even out the playing field.

Chronz
02-28-2012, 03:06 PM
In fairness to guys like Lebron, he grew up in an era when the game got soft. If he played in the 80's and 90's I think he would grown up playing a lot more physically and tougher and probably would still be a dominant player in those eras.

That being said, I just think the overall talent is better in the 90's than 2000's and therefore harder to win.
He grew up watching MJ.

SouthSideRookie
02-28-2012, 05:53 PM
I think the 99 & 03 Spurs would have, as well as any of the Lakers 00-02 championship teams. I'd even throw in the 04 Pistons

Let's look at the Spurs and Lakers opponents vs the Bulls and Rockets teams they beat in the finals.

Lakers: Pacers, Sixers, Nets, Magic and Celtics.

Spurs: Knicks, Cavs, Nets and Pistons.


Bulls: Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz twice.

Rockets: Knicks and Magic.


I'd be willing to bet that the 94 Knicks team along with the Sonics, Suns and Jazz teams that the Bulls beat to win their titles would all wipe the floor against the teams in bold.

The Lakers and Spurs were great teams so im not trying to discredit them but as far as competition I would say the 90's was tougher.

monzternipz12
02-28-2012, 06:08 PM
I will say this though, The two eras are so different that comparing is probably pointless. Today's game is so fast paced n so flashy that with the rules, it'll probably seem that today's game is soft. Guys now I think are stronger n faster which makes a more one on one game as oppose to the half court game in the past. There are exceptions of course but overall back then, players had to use their heads n outwit the opposing team. Today. Give it to ur star player n let him facilitate.

Getting UGGLA
02-28-2012, 06:09 PM
90's, no question

MJ-BULLS
02-28-2012, 06:09 PM
this is question you would see a kid say now and days because they never got to witness the greatness of the 90's.

90's easily.

Bruno
02-28-2012, 06:17 PM
There is no tougher era than the 99-04 era, defense was at its apex. Every coach that has lived through both eras will tell you how much more advanced defenses are nowadays.

Thank you. :clap:

that was the toughest defensive era.

Sportfan
02-28-2012, 06:44 PM
2000s.

Chronz
02-28-2012, 07:30 PM
Let's look at the Spurs and Lakers opponents vs the Bulls and Rockets teams they beat in the finals.

Lakers: Pacers, Sixers, Nets, Magic and Celtics.

Spurs: Knicks, Cavs, Nets and Pistons.


Bulls: Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz twice.

Rockets: Knicks and Magic.


I'd be willing to bet that the 94 Knicks team along with the Sonics, Suns and Jazz teams that the Bulls beat to win their titles would all wipe the floor against the teams in bold.

The Lakers and Spurs were great teams so im not trying to discredit them but as far as competition I would say the 90's was tougher.
Most years the real Finals were the WCF.

SportsAndrew25
02-28-2012, 10:12 PM
There was no way you were getting a ring in the 1990s if you were not on the same team as Michael Jordan. That was how incredible a player he was.

Hellcrooner
02-28-2012, 10:16 PM
There was no way you were getting a ring in the 1990s if you were not on the same team as Michael Jordan. That was how incredible a player he was.

pistons 1990
rockets 1995

dude WAS in the league those two years.

SportsAndrew25
02-28-2012, 10:23 PM
pistons 1990
rockets 1995

dude WAS in the league those two years.I know that but Jordan made the road that difficult to win a title.

asandhu23
02-28-2012, 10:35 PM
I don't know, Lebron is pretty solid and has been known to finish even with arms wrapped up.

Karl Malone would whoop his *** for flopping.

SouthSideRookie
02-29-2012, 01:34 AM
I know that but Jordan made the road that difficult to win a title.

Houston Rockets 95 Title run.

Round 1: Utah Jazz record 60-22...Defeated the Jazz in 5 games, won game 5 on the road after being down 2-1 in series.

Round 2: Phoenix Suns record 59-23...Defeated the Suns in 7 games, won game 7 on road after being down 3-1 in series.

Round 3: San Antonio Spurs record 62-20 (best record in league)...Defeated Spurs in 6. League MVP got sand kicked in his face that series.

Finals: Orlando Magic 57-25 (best record in east) Rockets sweep.


Olajuwon is a Legend.

Wolfman01
02-29-2012, 03:46 AM
The 90's straight up for sure.

Hellcrooner
02-29-2012, 11:04 AM
Bird/Mchale/Parish/Ainge/D Johnson/Walton/archibald some little cowens at the very begining
Bernard King /Ewing / Oakley/cartwright/ Strickland / M Jackson
Buck Williams/Mke Giminksi/ Orlando Woolridge/Otis Birdsong
Mo cheeks/B Jones/Moses Malone/Dr J / Barkley / Jeff ruland
Wilkins / rivers / Willis
Mugsy Bogues / Hornacek / Jeff Malone/ Hayes / Unseld.
Jordan / Pippen / Gilmore / H Grant
Aguirre/thomas/J Long / V Johnson / Dumars / Mahorn / Tripucka/ Lambieer/Rodman
Sikma/R Pierce /Lanier/Moncrief/winters
Mcginnis / R Mille / smits / schrempg / Person/ Fleming/Kellog
Nance / Harper / Price / Daugherty
magic / nixon/wilkes/Cooper/Scott / Kareem / Thompson / mcadoo/WorhtyManning /
Tisdale/Richmond
K johnson/Chambers / Alvan Adams/ Whestpal
C Mullin / T Hardaway / J B Carroll
D RObinson / Gervin / S Elliot / A Robertson/ T CUmmings
Blackman / harper / Tarpley / S Perkins
Floyd / C Murphy / tomjanovic / Hakeem / Sampson
Vandeweghe/porter / Natt / Drexler / C robinson /
Alex english / david Thompson / Dan Issell / M Adams
Karl Malone / Dantley / Stockton / griffith / eaton
X Macdaniel / D ellis / Nate Mcmillan.

All of this players played in early/mid/late 80s ( and m forgettin some definetly)
90% of them would be allstars today.

All the bolded ones woudl be SUPERSTARS today and top 10 material, some of them of course woudl be the top player today.

80s were the most talented era, specially in the mid years froom 83 to 88 before the massive expansion that diluted teams a bit.
Getting 50 wins in that era was quite an achievement.

Lakeshow24KB
02-29-2012, 11:38 AM
In the 90's players like KD and Kobe would still have an impact on the league like they do now but Lebron and D rose would have trouble since their shot isn't their strongest quality.

Missing56&33
02-29-2012, 12:35 PM
I say the 90's. Really its a no brainer. Can you see any team in the 2000's knocking off the 90's Jordan lead Bulls? :pity: The 96' Bulls was the best team of all time.

Hellcrooner
02-29-2012, 12:45 PM
I say the 90's. Really its a no brainer. Can you see any team in the 2000's knocking off the 90's Jordan lead Bulls? :pity: The 96' Bulls was the best team of all time.

the 96 bulls does NOT defeat the 60s celtics, nor the 80s Celtics, nor the 80s Lakers.
Nor the 88-90 Pistons, who happened to spank hard their ***** until thomas got injured and general aging happened to them for the 91 season.

pd1dish
02-29-2012, 12:52 PM
the 90s....

hand check foul kind of softened the defense and made it easier to draw fouls and get to the basket. back 12-15+ years ago youd get killed if you floated through the air like a lot of the guys do in todays game. and the defender wouldnt get a technical for it. you just go to the line for free throws and you might think twice about going into the lane again. the NBA has just turned into a soft-mans game.

Chronz
02-29-2012, 01:04 PM
the 90s....

hand check foul kind of softened the defense and made it easier to draw fouls and get to the basket. back 12-15+ years ago youd get killed if you floated through the air like a lot of the guys do in todays game. and the defender wouldnt get a technical for it. you just go to the line for free throws and you might think twice about going into the lane again. the NBA has just turned into a soft-mans game.
They first revised the handchecking rules in 1995, how come your not complaining about that one? How come you make no mention of WHY they had to revise the rules again. Defenses were getting too good. All HC did was make the game comparable again.

Missing56&33
02-29-2012, 01:10 PM
the 96 bulls does NOT defeat the 60s celtics, nor the 80s Celtics, nor the 80s Lakers.
Nor the 88-90 Pistons, who happened to spank hard their ***** until thomas got injured and general aging happened to them for the 91 season.

I straight up disagree with you. I was a 80 Celtics fan first, when i was introduced to NBA basketball.....Bird, Maxwell, Tiny, Ford, ML Carr.....so i know about basketball. No way none of these teams beat the 96' Bulls......They were by far the best SEASON TEAM ever. The Bulls management broke that team up after the third straight championship. No way you can tell me they don't close out the 90's........99' maybe 2000 with Championships. Phil Jackson would have never come to LA. Once Jordan got there......NO TEAM WAS STOPPING HIM IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. 6-0 Cmon man

Missing56&33
02-29-2012, 01:13 PM
Lucky for Houston and Hakeem O.....that Jordan retired for two seasons. He would have ran the table in the 90's .

D1JM
02-29-2012, 01:17 PM
I don't know, Lebron is pretty solid and has been known to finish even with arms wrapped up.

In the 90's they weren't wrapping you, they were dropping you to the ****en floor

Missing56&33
02-29-2012, 01:18 PM
You mean to tell me you can't see Jordan dunking and shooting lights out(picture a color shot of Jordan in Bulls Red) vs Bill Russell, and them guys. Jordan would be blocking Bill Russell left and right. Rodman would have frustrated Bill Russell no doubt about that.

JordansBulls
02-29-2012, 03:19 PM
the 96 bulls does NOT defeat the 60s celtics, nor the 80s Celtics, nor the 80s Lakers.
Nor the 88-90 Pistons, who happened to spank hard their ***** until thomas got injured and general aging happened to them for the 91 season.

You mean teams who went 7 games against teams .500 or worse and won game 7 at home by 1 point in the 60's or teams in the 80's like LA who lost to teams below .500 or got torchered by a team that won 11 less games than they did or the Celtics who constantly lost series with HCA to teams clearly inferior?

Explain to me how the Lakers win a title in 1980 and 1982 but lose in round 1 in 1981 to a team below .500? They win in 1985 and 1987 and lose in the WCF in 1986 to a 51 win team?
The Celtics win in 1981 and then lose in 1982 with HCA and then get swept in 1983 with HCA.
The Sixers win in 1983 and then in 1984 they lose in round 1 to a team that hadn't made it out of round 1 in 7 years.
Notice the pattern here? Each of those teams that were so called juggernauts ended up losing in between there runs to teams clearly inferior even with HCA.

And the Pistons won when they had HCA. They got swept when the Bulls had HCA.

Hellcrooner
02-29-2012, 03:30 PM
You mean teams who went 7 games against teams .500 or worse and won game 7 at home by 1 point in the 60's or teams in the 80's like LA who lost to teams below .500 or got torchered by a team that won 11 less games than they did or the Celtics who constantly lost series with HCA to teams clearly inferior?

Explain to me how the Lakers win a title in 1980 and 1982 but lose in round 1 in 1981 to a team below .500? They win in 1985 and 1987 and lose in the WCF in 1986 to a 51 win team?
The Celtics win in 1981 and then lose in 1982 with HCA and then get swept in 1983 with HCA.
The Sixers win in 1983 and then in 1984 they lose in round 1 to a team that hadn't made it out of round 1 in 7 years.
Notice the pattern here? Each of those teams that were so called juggernauts ended up losing in between there runs to teams clearly inferior even with HCA.

And the Pistons won when they had HCA. They got swept when the Bulls had HCA.

Again the last seed in a 23 team league is MUCH more stacked in talent ahtn a last seed in a 29 team league that has seen 6 teams added in the span of 7 years.

Of course, you will again ignore this FACT.

Da Knicks
02-29-2012, 03:41 PM
90's easily

Locoweed
02-29-2012, 06:13 PM
Neither, all other decades much tougher.

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-29-2012, 08:38 PM
Let's look at the Spurs and Lakers opponents vs the Bulls and Rockets teams they beat in the finals.

Lakers: Pacers, Sixers, Nets, Magic and Celtics.

Spurs: Knicks, Cavs, Nets and Pistons.


Bulls: Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz twice.

Rockets: Knicks and Magic.


I'd be willing to bet that the 94 Knicks team along with the Sonics, Suns and Jazz teams that the Bulls beat to win their titles would all wipe the floor against the teams in bold.

The Lakers and Spurs were great teams so im not trying to discredit them but as far as competition I would say the 90's was tougher.

I'm sure they could beat the teams in the bold. But what does that prove? It just proves that the east was weak. That also means that the real talent was in the west. They would the Lakers had to go through the Spurs and vice versa. Not to mention the Blazers and Kings who were very good

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-29-2012, 08:55 PM
In terms of toughness, I guess it would be the 90's. But all other eras were tougher than the 90's before that. Michale's hack job on Rambis was just a normal foul. That was an automatic ejection in the 90's.

But being tougher does not mean better. Just because they used to play with leather helmets and no face mask in the early days of football, does not mean they were better than players of today. It just means we have gotten wiser and tried to keep these athletes from unnecessary injuries.

The early 2000's were the best defenses that the league has ever seen. Team defensive ratings prove this.

The 90's did have better "centers" but the 2000's have had just as many good big men.

90's big men

Shaq, DRob, Hakeem, Ewing, Mourning, Malone, Barkley, Mutumbo, Kemp, Divac, Smits

2000 big men

Shaq, Duncan, Webber, KG, Yao, Dwight, Dirk, Pau, Griffin, Bosh, Wallace, Amare, Aldrich, Bynum,


You also have to remember that those great 90's bigs had anything but great perimeter help. It was like a bunch of Orlando Magics running around. One very good big man with scrubs surrounding him. Ewings teammates were garbage. Thats why I always laugh when people get down on him for not winning a ring. Did anyone see his teammates? Hakeem was able to get two titles, but never got to the finals other than that in the 90's. Is that truly a great team? Or just a good team that was able to get by weaker teams at the right time.

There was only one "dynasty" in the 90's. We know who that was. But there were no great teams out of the west. If there were, they would have been able to get out of their own conference more than a couple of times. The Knicks were the Bulls main competition in the east, and I already went over what I think of them.

There were a lot of great players in the 90's but they were all spread out. One very good to great player with a bunch of fill in players. That is not very hard to get by. (See recent Magic or Cavs) But when talent colludes, and joins together, those are the teams that are the toughest to get through. That is why I think the 2000's is the tougher decade to go through.

Klivlend
02-29-2012, 09:19 PM
Easily 90s

Evolution23
02-29-2012, 11:52 PM
90's if you weren't on the Bulls you pretty much were robbed of championships. Jordan took out every one.

Hellcrooner
03-01-2012, 02:30 AM
90's if you weren't on the Bulls you pretty much were robbed of championships. Jordan took out every one.

hexcept he didnt in 1990 and 1995.

Thats what drives me mad bout the media situation regarding Micahel.

They have brainwashed people to the point that they do stupid assetments like that wich dont correspond with the truth.........

well in a way what you say is true, i mean the Jazz were robbed of championshiips against micahel, BY THE REFS:

SouthSideRookie
03-01-2012, 02:22 PM
In terms of toughness, I guess it would be the 90's. But all other eras were tougher than the 90's before that. Michale's hack job on Rambis was just a normal foul. That was an automatic ejection in the 90's.

But being tougher does not mean better. Just because they used to play with leather helmets and no face mask in the early days of football, does not mean they were better than players of today. It just means we have gotten wiser and tried to keep these athletes from unnecessary injuries.

The early 2000's were the best defenses that the league has ever seen. Team defensive ratings prove this.

The 90's did have better "centers" but the 2000's have had just as many good big men.

90's big men

Shaq, DRob, Hakeem, Ewing, Mourning, Malone, Barkley, Mutumbo, Kemp, Divac, Smits

2000 big men

Shaq, Duncan, Webber, KG, Yao, Dwight, Dirk, Pau, Griffin, Bosh, Wallace, Amare, Aldrich, Bynum,


You also have to remember that those great 90's bigs had anything but great perimeter help. It was like a bunch of Orlando Magics running around. One very good big man with scrubs surrounding him. Ewings teammates were garbage. Thats why I always laugh when people get down on him for not winning a ring. Did anyone see his teammates? Hakeem was able to get two titles, but never got to the finals other than that in the 90's. Is that truly a great team? Or just a good team that was able to get by weaker teams at the right time.
There was only one "dynasty" in the 90's. We know who that was. But there were no great teams out of the west. If there were, they would have been able to get out of their own conference more than a couple of times. The Knicks were the Bulls main competition in the east, and I already went over what I think of them.

There were a lot of great players in the 90's but they were all spread out. One very good to great player with a bunch of fill in players. That is not very hard to get by. (See recent Magic or Cavs) But when talent colludes, and joins together, those are the teams that are the toughest to get through. That is why I think the 2000's is the tougher decade to go through.

IIRC the Magic and Rockets set a nba finals record for 3's made in a finals series at the time, 3's were raining all series long.

On the second bolded statement look at my post where I posted the Rockets opponent's winning percentage they faced on their way to the second title. Without homecourt in any series they essentially took out Stockton and Malone, Barkley and KJ, David Robinson and the Spurs who had the best record in the NBA and it culminated with a sweep of Shaq and Penny. I have no idea why you think the west was a weak conference at the time.

I think you can possibly debate the first Houston title in 94, but I doubt anyone was going to stop the Rockets in their second title, in the San Antonio series Hakeem took his game to legendary mode and there was no stopping him.

SouthSideRookie
03-01-2012, 02:24 PM
hexcept he didnt in 1990 and 1995.

Thats what drives me mad bout the media situation regarding Micahel.

They have brainwashed people to the point that they do stupid assetments like that wich dont correspond with the truth.........

well in a way what you say is true, i mean the Jazz were robbed of championshiips against micahel, BY THE REFS:

It boggles my mind also.