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11jgib
02-19-2012, 06:10 PM
It hurts my very soul to see my beloved Celtics fall into a playing level of mediocrity and irrelevance. I have had to come to terms with the unfortunate reality that the Celtics are no longer title contenders. Even last year with a past-his-prime-but-healthy Shaq I believe that team could have competed for the title, regardless of the Perkins-Green trade. However, here are the facts; Kevin Garnett no longer has the explosiveness and ability to defeat double teams regularly. He has become more and more of a jump shooter and at times fits the very offensive label he criticizes, "soft". Paul Peirce has aged well but his decline is only a few years off thus making his trade value now much higher than next year or the year after. Pierce's trade value could only possibly be increased next year when he is looked at as an expiring contract and a talent (he currently has two years remaining on his contract). Ray Allen has also aged well and many teams could use his ability to spread the floor. Also, while Ray may not be the most renown individual defender, he is more than competent and that this point his career is very knowledgeable and a solid believer in team defense. In addition, Ray is a great chemistry guy and a respected veteran presence in any locker room. His offensive abilities have grown unique to the league. He scores efficiently while not having a high usage rate and taking away from his point guard. Ray can be a perfect compliment to almost any point guard. Now, I've given you my take on "The Big Three" but this part of the revamping our roster I believe may be the most controversial. We need to trade Rondo.

The big three era is about to end regardless, Rondo is an incredible player and I am one of his biggest fans. However, the facts remain. This kid is not a centerpiece to build a contender around. Rondo's gifts are incredible, he is an incredible passer (possibly best currently in the game at reading a defense and in transition), one of the best rebounders at his position, and a tenacious defender when motivated. Therein though lays one of the biggest issues. Rondo is stubborn and hardheaded. There are games where it appears no-one else plays as hard as him and games where he appears to just be clocking in and coasting. Rondo is a top five point guard in this league. That means he should be dominating the floor almost every single game. When Rondo gets outplayed by the Jose Calderon's and the Norris Coles of the league (no disrespect to either player) you know his effort is somewhere between minimal and subpar. In addition, Rondo's inability to develop a jump shot has become a liability to the team. He does finish well around the rim with finesse and trick shots but he avoids contact. He probably does this because of his inability to shoot free throws. With a player this offensively limited can a contender really expect him to be the guy and take the final shot? I think not.

So, where does this leave the Celtics? Rebuilding mode. The time is now. No one’s stock on the Celtics is going to get higher after this season besides possibly Rondo. However it is unlikely that he will develop more facets to his game during this season. Danny Ainge sees the issue with going into a "Rondo Era" but has yet to grow the balls to do something about it. Here is a hypothetical idea for where the Celtics could go from here.

Trade Rondo. Rumors between OKC and Boston have been prevalent for about a year now. It is no secret that OKC management has a liking for Rondo. It also is not a secret that the Durant-Westbrook combo is struggling to play off of each other. Westbrook full-heartedly believes he is a franchise player. The truth is he is not wrong. The truth is, Westbrook is a franchise player but Durant is the better franchise player. Westbrook does not want to defer to Durant. He wants to be "The Man" on his team. The man the offense centers around and the man who takes the last shot. OKC did not strengthen their bond with Westbrook by taking longer than expected to extend Westbrook. And while Durant has made it clear that he loves playing on a small market team, has Westbrook?

So trade Westbrook for Rondo with picks and pieces to make it work. Here is why, Westbrook gets his own team. Rondo gets to do what he does best while being the second wheel, having the ball in his hands and having the best scorer in the league to pass to. Rondo and Durant together would be deadly combination. They would mature together and bring the best out of each other. Rondo and Perkins are extremely good friends and obviously have a basketball chemistry having won a championship together. This could only sweeten the deal. Perkins and Ibaka would only benefit from having a pass first point guard finding them in their sweet spots. In fact, I would expect a slight but noticeable increase in production from both of them. Durant would no longer have his alpha-dog status be challenged. Then Harden would have no trouble learning to adapt and play off of Rondo. OKC maintains their status as deadliest young core in the league, while adding a piece that fits better and is a former champion. Boston meanwhile gets a star who is eager to prove that he is a franchise player and can win on his own. Westbrook takes a lot of criticism for not deferring to Durant enough but here, he could do what he pleased and have a fresh slate. This could only be one more enticing factor that could be extremely beneficial for him.

So we now have a centerpiece and have drastically altered our future, what is next? Trading Garnett. Atlanta has long been looking for an elite post defender and someone who can provide real leadership (something Joe Johnson has proven incapable of doing). In addition, Atlanta is in a tight spot, they cannot afford to have Johnson with his max contract, keep paying the massive extension that Horford recently received, continue to overpay the untradeable and unproductive Marvin Williams and give Josh Smith the extension he wants. Give Atlanta Jermaine O'Neal to fill a their need for a defensive minded center and Garnett who remains an elite defensive force who can still contribute offensively, provide leadership and knows how to play team ball. In fact, Garnett would seriously benefit from playing alongside Horford. Last year, before Shaq **** the bed Garnett quietly was having a great year. He posted great shooting percentages and contributed more scoring than us Celtic fans had seen in awhile. Frontcourts could not afford to double team Garnett. Garnett in single coverage is still extremely efficient and can score in a variety of ways. Horford would have a piece that plays better with him than Smith and more importantly, plays smarter. The change of personal in Atlanta could be great for the currently stagnant franchise. Also, if it does not work out, Garnett and O'Neal both come off the books this summer, thus giving them much needed cap-space. Boston gets an underappreciated star (snubbed at least twice for a chance to play in the all star game) that is a monster in transition, on the boards and providing help defense. Smith would get to play for one of the most respected sports franchises while getting a fresh start. Mhmmmmm… getting an erection now just thinking of Westbrook-Smith alley oops.

So what is left? Westbrook, Allen, Pierce, Smith and no center... This is a noticeable upgrade for the future but not having a center (arguably the most important position and unquestionably the weakest depth-wise in the league) is a real issue (ironically one that we face with or without these trades). This is where things get tricky and controversial. Trading Pierce would not be easy for a respectable franchise like the Celtics, but if we are going to do this rebuilding thing, we need to go balls deep. No one is undermining what Pierce has done for this franchise and what a professional he has been on and off the court with the organization. However, if revamping the franchise is our ultimate goal then sacrifices must be made. However, we can pay him the respect of not giving him to a dying franchise. In fact, a trade with Portland could take them to new levels of contention and give his final years purpose. Portland is a deep team that desperately needs a real wing scorer who can create his own shot. They clearly have questions about Batum as their future wing seeing as how they are unwilling to give him the extension his agent believes he deserves. Batum and his agent believe that he deserves a pretty heavy contract, something that Portland cannot fully agree upon. If Boston were to acquire him via sign and trade for Pierce they would be getting a young wing with a very high ceiling. Batum could develop into a borderline all-star in the future or if nothing less, an exceptional role player (which he already is).

This trade would not just send Pierce to Portland (although that’s what would be in the headlines) but it would also include Ray Allen being sent to Sacramento and Portland dropping off Gerald Wallace to Sacramento. Portland stole Wallace from Charlotte for basically nothing, and while they like him, they do not see him as being part of their future. Wallace is a professional and both a defensive and offensive talent who provides veteran leadership and energy. However, offensively his numbers have dropped since being sent to Portland and he has struggled to fit in and find his role If Sacramento picks up Wallace and Allen they get to veterans to help lead their young locker room. Both players are extremely talented and helps Sacramento’s management get closer to reaching the team salary minimum. In addition they can drop off two controversial players. Everyone knows that former coach Westphal was not just making **** up when he lashed out publicly at Cousins with accusations that Cousins did not want to be part of the team. Cousins is a slight head case but he is a top upcoming talent in this league that Sacramento is looking to get rid of for good pieces. Under a respected coach like Doc Rivers I could see Cousins accepting his role and becoming a star. However, Sacramento is not stupid; they are not just going to give what could be a future perennial all-star away without baggage. Enter please, John Salmons. The highly disappointing Salmons has been underachieving of his large contract the past two years. Whether Salmons is incapable of being motived, falling off, or someone who is only good for eight months after being traded, who knows? Regardless, Sacramento would love to see his unproductive *** gone. So the Celtics take Salmons on and hope that he is good for his usual eight months after being traded… Sike, we do take him but we amnesty his *** immediately.

A quick look at who everyone picks up in this three team trade:

Celtics:
Nicholas Batum: (gets extension he wants while being core piece to building team),
John Salmons: (immediately amnestied and goes into solitary conclusion until a Euro-league team offers him nothing)
Demarcus Cousins: gets fresh start on franchise known for getting production from centers and can aspire to be something great on a quickly building, soon-to-be contender)



Trailblazers:
Brandon Bass: More than capable backup at the power forward position that embraces coming off the bench thus giving their most important piece rest
Paul Peirce: Veteran presence and former NBA finals MVP capable of creating his own shot that loves the big moment and can cover up Aldridge’s crunch time woes

Sacramento:
Ray Allen: Veteran presence and proven scorer that can play off of developing guard Tyreke Evans and gives them much needed perimeter shooting
Gerald Wallace: Veteran that can change the defensive mindset of entire team while providing offensive production in a variety of way and energy
A place for John Salmons corpse: everyone was already pissed off by this point; it was time to get his *** out of there one way or another

Every team involved comes out better from this trade. Portland still maintains its championship aspirations while now having someone capable of creating his own shot and others. They also get someone to take some of Aldridge’s minutes in Brandon Bass. Without this trade, Portland has no back up at the power forward position, which for them is the most important considering that’s the position their star plays. A starting five of Felton, Matthews, Pierce, Aldridge and Camby can absolutely compete for a championship this year and for several more years after while at the same time letting Celtics fans rest at ease knowing that our beloved Pierce gets to end his career in a blaze of glory with more championship opportunities.

Sacramento gets fantastic leadership in the locker room from Wallace and Allen while also giving Evans actual scoring targets to pass to. Not to mention, entertainment during practice while watching three point shoot outs between Allen and Jimmer would be entertaining as hell. They also get rid of an awful contract in Salmons and can get production from their shooting guard. If Allen does not fit in to where they see their team going he comes off the books next year anyways.

Most importantly my Celtics have a monster nucleolus that they can build off of. Our starters include Westbrook (all star and top five point guard in the league), Nicholas Batum (young star who is good at everything and is a proven winner from playing Euro-league ball), Josh Smith (monster help side defender, incredible offensive talent who will listen to a respected coach like Doc Rivers telling him to stop chucking threes and to just dunk on people), Demarcus Cousins (slight head case but incredibly talented young player with a yet-to-be-determined-ceiling at the weakest position in the league) and Michael Pietrus (knock down shooter and tenacious defender). This core could win a lot of games right now. With a few years to adjust to one another, and develop chemistry while picking up veteran back ups with championship aspirations it is possible we could be competing for a championship within the next few years.
All these young players would have to buy into Doc River’s defensive play. Rivers has been outstanding at getting his teams to put forth defensive efforts and motivating his players. This team would be full of people with something to prove (Cousins: not being an *******, and reaching potential, Westbrook: being a capable franchise player, Batum: Deserving of contract extension given and Smith: worthy of all star bid). They would buy in. Offensively this team would be explosive. Westbrook, Batum and Smith are all deadly in transition. All three are fantastic finishers around the rim and with time will only grow smarter with their play making. Cousins and Pietrus can help this team in a half-court offense setting. By playing inside out and involving Cousins he will get the touches he wants and be highly productive. He will also have the Westbrook cutting to the paint, Pietrus spreading the floor and an underrated shooter in Batum also spreading the floor. Also, Smith is more than capable of creating his own offense. This team would absolutely destroy the weaker defensive teams of the league. Their pieces would fit together right (similar to the bulls) and provide a balanced scoring. As the team picked up chemistry and additional pieces they would be an absolute monster.
Consider this, Chicago is deadly because they have a star, but more importantly they have pieces that fit together. Offensively that can provide a balance. Offensively, Chicago is a juggernaut because you can only slow them down on offense, stopping them entirely is impossible because they have too many weapons. Their defensive tenacity takes them even further into the upper echelon of elite teams. Miami is contending because they have three stars and can play defense. The Thunder are competing because they have made all the right moves building their team, have the best up-and-coming star, and are exceptional on both ends of the floor.

This Celtics team against Chicago could compete. Luol Deng would basically be looking at competing with a younger version of himself in Batum and would outmatch him (for now) in a series. After this series Carlos Boozer would have reoccurring nightmares every night after remembering how badly Smith trashed him. Smith knows last year in the playoffs Boozer outplayed him. He will make it a mission to embarrass Boozer this time around. Noah and Cousins would provide a very interesting matchup at the center position for several years to come. Rip Hamilton is an x-factor because we still do not know what he has left, but Michael Pietrus is a monster defensively and would be a better compliment than Thabo Sefolosha ever was. Most importantly though, Rose vs. Westbrook would be a phenomenal matchup for a playoff series. Two of the most dynamic, athletic and young point guards going head to head. What could be more exciting and entertaining? Also, for those of you who do not know, Westbrook has a chip on his shoulder to play with against Rose. One of the reasons Westbrook believes he is a franchise player is because he had a higher efficiency rating last year than the reigning MVP Rose. Both players would be bringing their best for this series.
Against Miami we would have two studs who are only getting better at the two positions where the Heat are notorious for being weak. Cousins will muscle through the weak frontcourt of the Heat and destroy them while Westbrook picks them apart at the point. Although Westbrook has relatively weak numbers against the Heat I am sure in a seven game series that he will figure out how to use the mismatch there to his advantage. If Brandon Jennings can do it in the regular season, there is no question in my mind that Westbrook is more than capable. Smith will also have some struggles guarding Bosh’s face up game, very similar to how defensively he may struggle against Boozer but offensively he can wreak havoc on Bosh as well. Michael Pietrus and Nicholas Batum can only do so much against Wade and James but both are highly capable defenders who will not give them anything easy and are very productive offensively. Cousins and Westbrook will have to pick up their slack. This could easily go into a seven game series.
If the new-born Celtics were to make it out of the Eastern Finals and face Western Conference favorites the Thunder the matchup would be a thing of beauty. The teams match up fantastically while providing a drama that could shake the NBA. Two ex-Celtics who won a championship in Boston playing against their old team? Rondo would be seething that Boston did not think he was capable of leading the franchise out of “The Big Three” era and would have something to prove. Also not to mention two of the top five point guards in the league would be playing in the finals (something that does not happen enough, look at most recent finals matchups: Old Jason Kidd vs. Mario Chalmers, Derek Fisher vs. Rondo, Jameer Nelson with one arm and being out of shape vs. Derek Fisher, Derek Fisher and Rondo, Tony Parker vs. Daniel Gibson, Sasha Pavolic and Eric Snow three hit combo. Only two of those point guards could be considered elite and they did not play in the same game) The Westbrook-Rondo rivalry could be and would be sustained throughout their entire careers. Both of them would be trying to justify why they are better than the other. But the most interesting part of this matchup though would be the Westbrook-Durant rivalry finally coming to its peak. These past few years we have been watching two alpha-dog players try to play together while subtly (usually) trying to prove that they were the real franchise player of the team. Durant obviously has won the battle in OKC but Westbrook could prove to Durant that he really was a franchise player and that he should never have been looked down on. Durant could finally prove to Westbrook that he never needed Westbrook to be successful and to win a championship. This rivalry would be something for the ages. The players would be motivated and the talent would be exceptional. The two teams would only continue to grow and get better throughout the years.
Danny Ainge, hear my cries. Blow this team up. It is over. You made all the right moves to acquire these pieces and letting go is never easy, but this is the right thing to do. I appreciate you making basketball relevant in Boston again, now keep it relevant and retool these Celtics into something entirely new, exciting and with unlimited potential. We Celtic fans are begging you. The core mentioned ahead would not be appreciated by Celtic fans but by basketball fans in general. You would be building a contender the right way and we could see this team grow and grow to love them. The ball is in your hands, just make sure if you do this, do not forget to amnesty John Salmons for the love of God, man, woman and child.

Eager to hear feedback from other basketball fans. please reply

ManningToTyree
02-19-2012, 06:21 PM
Holy paragraphs batman!

bholly
02-19-2012, 06:25 PM
Holy paragraphs batman!

This.

I applaud your enthusiasm and effort, OP, but the only chance of anyone reading even half of that is if you post it on a Celtics forum. It's just a bit much to expect people to take that much time to hear the opinion of someone they don't know unless it's on a subject they really really care about.

bholly
02-19-2012, 06:26 PM
Flicked forward to the trade - just no chance that the Kings do that. Allen and Wallace do nothing for a rebuilding team, while DMC could do everything. No chance.

shep33
02-19-2012, 06:27 PM
Yeah, you gotta be more concise my man. Still I get what your saying though, but remember Occam's razor

justjames
02-19-2012, 06:28 PM
Pierce should go down with the ship. Everyone else should go.

Kucka
02-19-2012, 06:28 PM
Im going to put in the time to read this novel and dammit it better be worth it.

AIsixersFK
02-19-2012, 06:32 PM
Here's you're entire thesis paper condensed into 5 words for those who don't want to read
All of that...."The Celtics need to rebuild"

J4KOP99
02-19-2012, 06:34 PM
I blacked out... what happened?!?

Lim
02-19-2012, 06:36 PM
holy **** you are one dedicated fan lol

KnicksR4Real
02-19-2012, 06:36 PM
word

utl768
02-19-2012, 06:37 PM
way too long to read but ya trade em because there is no way they are getting by miami or chicago

Green_Monster
02-19-2012, 06:47 PM
Nice writing there man. But **** that ****. We are playing pretty good right now, I still have hope left. Plus next year, we will want them back to atleast come off the bench.

BigEric
02-19-2012, 06:48 PM
Yeah ok, a rebuilding team in Sacramento trading their only big man with consistency AND a ******** bright future in Cousins for 40 year old Ray Allen and Wallace, who I love as a player, but is one concussion away from retirement. Rebuilding teams don't trade their talented 21,22 year old center for a fossil and a crash test dummy.

WHODAT8o8
02-19-2012, 06:53 PM
One thing I did notice is that you said to amnesty Salmons once we trade for him, but I'm pretty sure you can't amnesty a player that you traded for. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

Mudvayne91
02-19-2012, 06:54 PM
Pretty epic first post. I wouldn't mind the Nuggets nabbing a piece or two from the Celts.

Green_Monster
02-19-2012, 06:56 PM
Yeah ok, a rebuilding team in Sacramento trading their only big man with consistency AND a ******** bright future in Cousins for 40 year old Ray Allen and Wallace, who I love as a player, but is one concussion away from retirement. Rebuilding teams don't trade their talented 21,22 year old center for a fossil and a crash test dummy.

Yeah, a 36 year old Ray Allen. All time leader in 3 pointers, a great attitude and is still a hell of a player.

He sucks.

:sigh:

Kucka
02-19-2012, 07:04 PM
Just read most of the article, I think you left out Jeff Green. He will most likely be back next season and hopefully healthy without any lingering conditions.

The idea is great. Even if we couldnt get Westbrook, I'd be amazing to see Rondo throwing those alley-oops to Smith or kicking it out to Green for the three.

Also JJJ is looking promising and with the scab minutes he's getting this year and a full offseason I think he could emerge as a JSmith like player (or at least thats my dream)

I think it would be unrealistic tho to land all those players, but if I was starting a assosciation in NBA 2K12 that'd about sum up the team I'd draft.

hugepatsfan
02-19-2012, 07:07 PM
Yeah ok, a rebuilding team in Sacramento trading their only big man with consistency AND a ******** bright future in Cousins for 40 year old Ray Allen and Wallace, who I love as a player, but is one concussion away from retirement. Rebuilding teams don't trade their talented 21,22 year old center for a fossil and a crash test dummy.

Actualy Ray Allen probably would be valuable to SAC in a move for Salmons. Because Ray is an expiring deal. It would allow SAC to get out of Salmons' money. It was a bad trade overall (because giving up Cousins and taking on Wallace) but there is plenty reason why a rebuilding team would want Ray - his money is expiring.

Nycbball08
02-19-2012, 07:09 PM
Question..how long did it take you to type that? Cause it took me a while to read it.

BigEric
02-19-2012, 07:15 PM
Yeah, a 36 year old Ray Allen. All time leader in 3 pointers, a great attitude and is still a hell of a player.

He sucks.

:sigh:

No one said he sucks. What I said is he's an aged player that doesn't have that much left in the tank and that's the truth. We'd trade OUR MOST VALUABLE PIECE for a shortened season rental. I don't see what'd be the point, chances are he wouldn't resign with Sacramento anyway. It'd be a give away. I see the homer coming out anf getting defensive, be honest, what does Sacramento REALLY gain in this deal? Two aged players who'd set the franchise further back than they are. Don't be delusional.

Sadds The Gr8
02-19-2012, 07:17 PM
tl;dr

BigEric
02-19-2012, 07:20 PM
Actualy Ray Allen probably would be valuable to SAC in a move for Salmons. Because Ray is an expiring deal. It would allow SAC to get out of Salmons' money. It was a bad trade overall (because giving up Cousins and taking on Wallace) but there is plenty reason why a rebuilding team would want Ray - his money is expiring.

That's the point, if we didn't give up basically the future of the franchise and most talented player on the team for a salary dump, id be for it. A rebuilding team doesn't give up one of its only pieces for cap.

VCaintdead17
02-19-2012, 07:25 PM
Pierce should go down with the ship. Everyone else should go.

For some reason I agree with this.

Green_Monster
02-19-2012, 07:38 PM
No one said he sucks. What I said is he's an aged player that doesn't have that much left in the tank and that's the truth.

You did not say that...


We'd trade OUR MOST VALUABLE PIECE for a shortened season rental. I don't see what'd be the point, chances are he wouldn't resign with Sacramento anyway. It'd be a give away. I see the homer coming out anf getting defensive, be honest, what does Sacramento REALLY gain in this deal? Two aged players who'd set the franchise further back than they are. Don't be delusional.

Ya I'm the delusional one, saying Allen has almost nothing left in the tank.

:rolleyes:

BigEric
02-19-2012, 07:45 PM
Cousins is like 22, ... Ray Allen is 36. The Kings are REBUILDING. BUILDING a team around COUSINS. Why give that up for a 36 year old JUMP SHOOTER, albeit a great shooter but be honest that damn starting lineup of Hayes, Thompson, Wallace, Allen (for a year), and Reke isn't going to do anything. You're missing the point obviousy. Ok sorry I offended you by saying he's old, blah blah blah, the point I was trying to make was: that trade makes NO sense for a Kings fan.

smith&wesson
02-19-2012, 08:06 PM
3 team trade, boston/toronto/goldenstate

garnet and rondo to toronto

derozan, monta ellis, david lee to boston

ray allen, kleiza, & amir johnson to golden state

boston rebuilds with derozan, ellis, david lee, green, and get much younger in this trade, they also get garnets huge salary off the books.

can you imagine the 3 point shooting from the back court with allen and curry ? golden state gets tougher defensivly with this trade and they get a little deaper as well.

toronto gives up a young player in derozan and gets an ugly contract with garnet. but they do atain rondo which should help them moving fwd as well.

UKblazers
02-19-2012, 08:07 PM
I would consider changing teams if Portland agreed to that trade, with wallace,crawford (player option),camby and felton all coming off the books this year were not in a win now mode. Batum is pretty clearly our second best player and i would be shocked if he left seeing as money wouldn't be the issue with all cap space Portland will have.

I could see the rondo westbrook trade occurring but I'm guessing Boston would have to include Jesus Shuttlesworth. Even with all Westbrooks flaws he's the better player and OKC wouldn't have agreed to a five yr deal if the chemistry was that bad.

kingsdelez24
02-19-2012, 08:15 PM
Westphal did make that up... nice try though

Boogie is going nowhere

C-Wick925
02-19-2012, 08:33 PM
Holy paragraphs batman!

x2

Did anyone read this?

koetravis
02-19-2012, 09:10 PM
Pretty good read. Just a pipe dream.

meloman1592
02-19-2012, 09:27 PM
Cool story bro

Corey
02-19-2012, 10:01 PM
Well, we're officially .500 again...and we're still not even at the toughest part of our schedule.

To this point, we have played 19 games at home, 11 on the road.

We have played Detroit 3 times, Washington 3 times, Cleveland 2 times, Toronto 3 times. It's only going to get more rough from here.

We have 15 wins. Only 5 of them are against teams with winning records.

The Celtics need to trade EVERYONE and acquire pieces for the future (draft picks, expirings).

I've been saying it since the summer. Rondo isn't a franchise player. This is what a Celtics team built around Rondo looks like. A .500 team.

JordansBulls
02-20-2012, 02:40 PM
Trade Ray to Chicago.

Hustlenomics
02-20-2012, 02:58 PM
trade Rondo to a young athletic team and watch how great his numbers would get
the Celtics problem is their interior defense

Corey
02-20-2012, 05:50 PM
the Celtics problem is their interior defense

Not at all.

Their problem is rebounding and scoring.

(..And attitude)

Twins Fanatic
02-20-2012, 06:13 PM
Good luck moving these players and getting talent in return, with the exception of Rondo. Garnett, Pierce and Allen are all old and have big contracts (especially Garnett). I can see playoff teams looking for help from veteran players, but most of these teams are gonna be around the cap and can't afford to bring these players in. The only thing that makes sense is if some team is trying to get rid of a huge contract by trading for Garnett's or Allen's expiring contracts.

NoahH
02-20-2012, 06:15 PM
Didn't read it. Just being honest.

JordansBulls
02-20-2012, 06:32 PM
Not at all.

Their problem is rebounding and scoring.

(..And attitude)

I never understood why they had trouble in those areas with guys like KG and Pierce who could rebound and even when they had Perkins and Sheed and then all of the guys who were #1 scoring options on the teams.

RB#20
02-20-2012, 06:40 PM
I would consider changing teams if Portland agreed to that trade, with wallace,crawford (player option),camby and felton all coming off the books this year were not in a win now mode. Batum is pretty clearly our second best player and i would be shocked if he left seeing as money wouldn't be the issue with all cap space Portland will have.

I could see the rondo westbrook trade occurring but I'm guessing Boston would have to include Jesus Shuttlesworth. Even with all Westbrooks flaws he's the better player and OKC wouldn't have agreed to a five yr deal if the chemistry was that bad.

pretty much this. I can only see Rondo for Westbrook happening and there is no way that Portland trades Batum. Let's say that Dwight Howard doesn't get traded this year and rides out his contract. Portland is the best spot for him to end up. Howard, Aldridge, Batum, Mathews, Felton (or another PG) would be a sick line-up and they are a deep team. Btw it took me almost a half an hour to read the original post and I didn't even finish. I only read it cause I'm a Celtics fan.

Gritz
02-20-2012, 06:47 PM
Ainge

is that you

Marlin234
02-20-2012, 11:32 PM
Cool story bro

Hey didnt the Knicks just lose? Go to your forums and gtfo of here. I Always see you trying to stir **** up in the forums

OA SLAY
02-20-2012, 11:50 PM
Celtics should trade Ray Allen
Let KG come off the books
Danny is a complete fool if he trades Pierce and/or Rondo.

Corey
02-21-2012, 12:10 AM
Danny is a complete fool if he trades Pierce and/or Rondo.

Why's that?

dee279
02-21-2012, 12:20 AM
Now thats a post on Steroids! But i agree with you on the celtics needing to rebuild.

dee279
02-21-2012, 12:25 AM
Also, Westbrook and Durant cant be too bad together with them just putting up 91 together. Durant and Westbrook is a way better duo then Durant Rondo. Also Westbrook is a better player now, younger, and has a much higher ceiling. I dont see why the Thunder would even try to make that trade. If they trade Westbrook, they can get better then Rondo.

JLynn943
02-21-2012, 12:28 AM
lol, no thanks with that trade. I really like Wallace and Allen probably has a good 4 or so years left in him if he wants to keep playing, but there's no way we give up Cousins.

JordansBulls
02-21-2012, 09:20 AM
Celtics should trade Ray Allen
Let KG come off the books
Danny is a complete fool if he trades Pierce and/or Rondo.

KG is off the books at the end of the season.

IndyRealist
02-21-2012, 10:13 AM
Good luck moving these players and getting talent in return, with the exception of Rondo. Garnett, Pierce and Allen are all old and have big contracts (especially Garnett). I can see playoff teams looking for help from veteran players, but most of these teams are gonna be around the cap and can't afford to bring these players in. The only thing that makes sense is if some team is trying to get rid of a huge contract by trading for Garnett's or Allen's expiring contracts.

I suspect the Pacers would trade for either Rondo or Allen.

LAKobeBryant
02-21-2012, 10:58 AM
Summary?

NE Sportsfan
02-21-2012, 11:06 AM
i can only read at a 5th grade level. shorter please

ghettosean
02-21-2012, 11:09 AM
To the OP that was way too much info in one post but if I get the jist of what you are saying I hope they trade the aging big 3 also and Rondo for some youth. They will not win a title with what they have now.

gotoHcarolina52
02-21-2012, 11:17 AM
Pipe dreams abound

Mishmin
02-21-2012, 11:19 AM
It's pretty clear they won't beat Miami a 7 game series. I'm sure the wheels are turning in Ainge's head on trade possibilities.

JordansBulls
02-21-2012, 04:02 PM
I suspect the Pacers would trade for either Rondo or Allen.

Who would you give up?