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jaysfan46
02-18-2012, 05:29 AM
Pretty messed up, ESPN Mobile runs a headline "Chink In The Armor" under a picture of Jeremy Lin with an article about last night's game and his nine turnovers: https://twitter.com/#!/tinylibrarian/status/170772710706774016/photo/1

Bulls_fan90
02-18-2012, 05:51 AM
:laugh: Don't be so sensitive. That's hilarious though.

Method28
02-18-2012, 05:51 AM
lmao....come on! how can they put that?! are they trying to use the...."we did not know that was a demeaning racial term."?

91BigBlue91
02-18-2012, 05:51 AM
wtf

jaysfan46
02-18-2012, 05:51 AM
:laugh: Don't be so sensitive. That's hilarious though.

I'm far from a sensitive person but damn, somebody made a bad mistake.

Vincent
02-18-2012, 05:54 AM
:laugh: Don't be so sensitive. That's hilarious though.

Someone will probably lose their job over that one.

And it's pretty racist and unfunny.

More-Than-Most
02-18-2012, 05:57 AM
:laugh:

ghettosean
02-18-2012, 06:02 AM
Damn someone either quit or gonna get fired... Either way someones losing there job on that one.

Chi StateOfMind
02-18-2012, 06:03 AM
Awesome, priceless and racist lol.

Bulls_fan90
02-18-2012, 06:10 AM
I'm far from a sensitive person but damn, somebody made a bad mistake.
Didn't mean you. Just think this will get out of hand fast.

man thas jackd up

Yeah I hate racists.


too many crackas for my taste. white people just aint fast enuf.

KB24PG16
02-18-2012, 06:16 AM
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RLundi
02-18-2012, 08:22 AM
Fire ESPN!

USMCLaker
02-18-2012, 08:25 AM
Fire ESPN!

LOL. Classic.

SaimuKala
02-18-2012, 08:29 AM
:laugh2:

theheatles
02-18-2012, 09:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d0nNS_zjds

i doubt anyone gets fired

Raps18-19 Champ
02-18-2012, 09:20 AM
I have no problem with it.

They built up the Lin hype using his race. Hinting his race in a joke when it comes to negative things is fair game.

QueensG
02-18-2012, 09:26 AM
Its like saying bigger, spic, or cracker in the armor...****ing racist if you ask me..ESPN is a joke

QueensG
02-18-2012, 09:27 AM
*******

abe_froman
02-18-2012, 09:32 AM
Its like saying bigger, spic, or cracker in the armor...****ing racist if you ask me..ESPN is a joke

no it isnt,cant say that for sure .because "chink in the armor" is an actual saying ,that has no racial meaning behind it.its just unfortunate wording...but it will still cause a **** storm that'll end with an on air apology and someone getting fired

theheatles
02-18-2012, 09:37 AM
Its like saying bigger, spic, or cracker in the armor...****ing racist if you ask me..ESPN is a joke

nah, it'd be like "cracker jack'd", "spic n span", because "chink in armor" means weakness in armor

theheatles
02-18-2012, 09:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d0nNS_zjds

if "chink in the armor" can be used here, i don't see why it can't be used

Reversed86Curse
02-18-2012, 10:09 AM
I guess I don't see the big deal, but then again, I understand the phrase and it's context here.

lvlheaded
02-18-2012, 10:37 AM
That one is racist. When the guy says it on Espn its understandable because kink is close to it and I slip up sometimes talking about it too when it isn't about an Asian person. But for ESPN to actually write that on their website is way too far.

BcEuAbRsS
02-18-2012, 10:40 AM
I would be fine if they fired ESPN... nobody on that network knows how to have an opinion, except Skip Bayless, and he is just flat out annoying as ****!

Big Zo
02-18-2012, 10:47 AM
"Hahaha! This racism is killing me!" -- Dave Chappelle

redsox0717
02-18-2012, 10:56 AM
Its like saying bigger, spic, or cracker in the armor...****ing racist if you ask me..ESPN is a joke

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

thedfactor
02-18-2012, 10:56 AM
ah that's crazy.

Mr Costanza
02-18-2012, 10:59 AM
I don't really think its all that bad or funny.

save the knicks
02-18-2012, 11:02 AM
Remember kids racism is only a white on black transgression

hugepatsfan
02-18-2012, 11:03 AM
Its like saying bigger, spic, or cracker in the armor...****ing racist if you ask me..ESPN is a joke

Actually it's not like that at all. Chink in the armor is an actual phrase that many of us routinely use. Really what the guy said isn't bad at all and made perfect sense. Still, he shouldn't have put it because most of America isn't mature enough to handle it.

Rockice_8
02-18-2012, 11:06 AM
Eh, calling this a problem is a reach. It's a common term but just so happens to be a racial coinsidence.

I don't see the problem. I'd say 80% of the people who read it probably didn't even pick up on it.

kozelkid
02-18-2012, 11:08 AM
I'm not gonna lie, when I first read this, I didn't even think of it in a derogatory sense. I just took the expression.

Some people are WAY too sensitive these days. Stupid word play, but a lot people really need thick skin.

Joe_Dirte
02-18-2012, 11:13 AM
I'm not gonna lie, when I first read this, I didn't even think of it in a derogatory sense. I just took the expression.

Some people are WAY too sensitive these days. Stupid word play, but a lot people really need thick skin.


same with me, its a real phrase. too bad most people these days act like little kids and whine about everything. grow up

KnicksR4Real
02-18-2012, 11:17 AM
Unbelievable

ChitownSports16
02-18-2012, 11:28 AM
this is funny... only knicks fans will get mad...

JNA17
02-18-2012, 11:34 AM
Oh grow up people, we all know what they meant by that word. It doesn't just mean a racial slur for Asians. Come on now.

pd1dish
02-18-2012, 11:36 AM
hahahahaha "chink in the armor" is one of the few things thats actually made me laugh out loud while im sitting by myself at my computer

ManRam
02-18-2012, 11:44 AM
i thought at first that it could have just been an honest mistake. that is an incredibly common phrase...


but i really don't think i can give them that benefit of the doubt. somebody made a very poor mistake...

Slimsim
02-18-2012, 11:48 AM
this is funny... only knicks fans will get mad...

What if ESPN Called rose a N*gger you wouldn't get mad

JNA17
02-18-2012, 11:55 AM
What if ESPN Called rose a N*gger you wouldn't get mad

Stop playing dumb. Chink means a crack or a narrow opening in something like a wall, armor, plate, glass, etc. They headlined the word correctly. The N-word only has one meaning, and im sure most of us have been taught in school about it.

I cant believe you even compared it.

chicago lulz
02-18-2012, 11:58 AM
Wouldn't even need this thread if they would have chosen a different phrase to use.

dynasty7961
02-18-2012, 12:00 PM
no it isnt,cant say that for sure .because "chink in the armor" is an actual saying ,that has no racial meaning behind it.its just unfortunate wording...but it will still cause a **** storm that'll end with an on air apology and someone getting fired


Actually it's not like that at all. Chink in the armor is an actual phrase that many of us routinely use. Really what the guy said isn't bad at all and made perfect sense. Still, he shouldn't have put it because most of America isn't mature enough to handle it.

and the fact he isnt even Chinese.. Chink doesnt refer Asians in general.

Slimsim
02-18-2012, 12:01 PM
Stop playing dumb. Chink means a crack or a narrow opening in something like a wall, armor, plate, glass, etc. They headlined the word correctly. The N-word only has one meaning, and im sure most of us have been taught in school about it.

I cant believe you even compared it.

Still a racial slur

and in a racial world it still unacceptable

beardown4243
02-18-2012, 12:05 PM
Still a racial slur

and in a racial world it still unacceptable

It's clearly not a racial slur given the context it was used in.

willabeast77
02-18-2012, 12:05 PM
Funny. Knicks fans are too sensitive, specifically the asian Knick fans. Gimme a break :laugh:

JNA17
02-18-2012, 12:06 PM
Still a racial slur

and in a racial world it still unacceptable

Only if you look at it that way. I could make your sig for example represent racism just by describing the picture and the art.

Racial world? How exactly does that make sense?

justinnum1
02-18-2012, 12:08 PM
lol

LakersKB24
02-18-2012, 12:09 PM
Stop playing dumb. Chink means a crack or a narrow opening in something like a wall, armor, plate, glass, etc. They headlined the word correctly. The N-word only has one meaning, and im sure most of us have been taught in school about it.

I cant believe you even compared it.

Come on, that's just being ignorant. Whether it was an accident or not, I don't blame people finding this offensive. This shouldn't happen to a network like ESPN. If they used something offending African Americans, not even necessairily the N-word, ESPN would probably be burning right now.
Just seems like a double standard to me.

The bottom line is, ESPN was uncautious with that headline, they were asking for it.

jp611
02-18-2012, 12:12 PM
ESPN is a joke

theducksmuggler
02-18-2012, 12:15 PM
What if an asian guy wrote the headline? highly unlikely but what if it was an asian guy...does it make it ok cause its poking fun at a racist word?

Tmath
02-18-2012, 12:28 PM
This thread is too funny, NY fans getting all butt hurt over this, man you guys are sensitive.

NYC DRUMMER
02-18-2012, 12:31 PM
those are not commonly used phrases that happen to have a racial connotation. Still, whoever wrote that headline should have known better. It was obviously going to be criticized.

it was someone tryin to be funny by usein' a poor choice of words and the backlash will be big i think .......... I personally thought it was kinda funny , till i realized how sensitive the world is !!!!! Its gonna be interesting to see what happens .

JNA17
02-18-2012, 12:36 PM
Come on, that's just being ignorant. Whether it was an accident or not, I don't blame people finding this offensive. This shouldn't happen to a network like ESPN. If they used something offending African Americans, not even necessairily the N-word, ESPN would probably be burning right now.
Just seems like a double standard to me.

The bottom line is, ESPN was uncautious with that headline, they were asking for it.

No, they weren't. In the context on how they used the word Chink, they phrased it correctly. People today just like to make a big deal out of every little thing when they also remain completely oblivious about more relevant and bigger issues.

Slimsim
02-18-2012, 12:40 PM
Only if you look at it that way. I could make your sig for example represent racism just by describing the picture and the art.

Racial world? How exactly does that make sense?

We live in a world that is very racist

If I was to ask you how many point D rose scored last night and you didn't know who would you ask a Black man or Asian man ? Be honest it's off topic but I'm interested in your answer

Becks2307
02-18-2012, 12:46 PM
This is a weird situation, idk what to think.

if EPSN put 'spic n span' gustavo ayon cleans up the boards would that be racist?

Slimsim
02-18-2012, 12:47 PM
Only if you can find me a sane person that has ever even used those phrases. Who the hell says that?

If ESPN compare Rose vertical jump to a Monkeys but didn't mean no racial intentions by it you wouldn't get upset ?

JNA17
02-18-2012, 12:48 PM
We live in a world that is very racist

If I was to ask you how many point D rose scored last night and you didn't know who would you ask a Black man or Asian man ? Be honest it's off topic but I'm interested in your answer

Oh please. This world has always been racist. Now were just more aware of it.

I don't care who i ask. I just ask whoever knows the answer. Race means absolutely nothing to me. I view everybody as equally stupid. :D

Also I would just look at the box scores on my phone. No need to ask anybody for those anymore. :p

homestarunner93
02-18-2012, 12:49 PM
For those of you saying to loosen up...How would you feel if they had the title "Monkey Business" on an article about a black player? Probably not too good. Again, more of the PSD double standard.

The Final Boss
02-18-2012, 12:50 PM
Someone will probably lose their job over that one.

And it's pretty racist and unfunny.

No, it's racist, but funny.

justinnum1
02-18-2012, 12:50 PM
Might be a job opening up at espn

JNA17
02-18-2012, 12:54 PM
If ESPN compare Rose vertical jump to a Monkeys but didn't mean no racial intentions by it you wouldn't get upset ?

Why do you keep using Rose as an example? I'm not a Bulls nor a Rose fan lol.

I don't see why I would get upset over something like that. I would take it as a complement actually if someone told me I could jump as high as a monkey. Do you have any idea how high a monkey can jump? Chimpanzees especially. That would be amazing! :D

Pfeifer
02-18-2012, 12:55 PM
Pretty bad if you ask me.

STAT1
02-18-2012, 12:55 PM
Racially LINsensitive been said yet?

JNA17
02-18-2012, 12:58 PM
For those of you saying to loosen up...How would you feel if they had the title "Monkey Business" on an article about a black player? Probably not too good. Again, more of the PSD double standard.

I find it ironic that some posters in this thread use the word "monkey" as a black stereotype to prove a point about racial slurs.

Who's the racist now? ;)

Slimsim
02-18-2012, 01:02 PM
Oh please. This world has always been racist. Now were just more aware of it.

I don't care who i ask. I just ask whoever knows the answer. Race means absolutely nothing to me. I view everybody as equally stupid. :D

Also I would just look at the box scores on my phone. No need to ask anybody for those anymore. :p

100% agree

Sadds The Gr8
02-18-2012, 01:04 PM
:laugh::laugh: took me a second to get that one

Slimsim
02-18-2012, 01:04 PM
Why do you keep using Rose as an example? I'm not a Bulls nor a Rose fan lol.

I don't see why I would get upset over something like that. I would take it as a complement actually if someone told me I could jump as high as a monkey. Do you have any idea how high a monkey can jump? Chimpanzees especially. That would be amazing! :D

Bulls fans think its funny so I use their beloved rose as example

JNA17
02-18-2012, 01:05 PM
Bulls fans think its funny so I use their beloved rose as example

Ah. How crude yet wildly amusing. :p

ATL#22
02-18-2012, 01:07 PM
Wouldn't even need this thread if they would have chosen a different phrase to use.

Well no **** Sherlock

Tmath
02-18-2012, 01:09 PM
If ESPN compare Rose vertical jump to a Monkeys but didn't mean no racial intentions by it you wouldn't get upset ?

I find it funny you keep on using Rose as an example, like Lin is on the same level.

JNA17
02-18-2012, 01:13 PM
Look, if the guy headlined the title "Chink is on the move" or "The Chink's weakness", then we can definitely throw our hands in the air and start a riot on that, but the person used the word in it's normal context.

If Lin didn't just happen to be Asian, no one would care.

ink
02-18-2012, 01:14 PM
Amid widespread online condemnation, ESPN confirmed in a statement that it was "conducting a complete review of our cross-platform editorial procedures" to discover how the "offensive" headline made it onto the site.

The sports network said it was "determining appropriate disciplinary action to ensure this does not happen again."

The statement added, "We regret and apologize for this mistake."

ESPN apologizes for Lin headline slur (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/espn-apologizes-for-jeremy-lin-headline-slur)

shep33
02-18-2012, 01:21 PM
Pretty bad ESPN lol.

I thought these clowns had professional writers?

Tmath
02-18-2012, 01:21 PM
ESPN apologizes for Lin headline slur (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/espn-apologizes-for-jeremy-lin-headline-slur)

/thread.

ink
02-18-2012, 01:28 PM
Pretty bad ESPN lol.

I thought these clowns had professional writers?

Some headline writer at ESPN is out of a profession today. You can count on it.

That headline might be something you think but never something a pro would actually publish. Titanic brain fart at ESPN.

Slimsim
02-18-2012, 01:31 PM
I find it funny you keep on using Rose as an example, like Lin is on the same level.

So Rose is better than Lin as a person ?

turnaround3
02-18-2012, 01:32 PM
So Rose is better than Lin as a person ?

Yeah, probably.

ink
02-18-2012, 01:33 PM
So Rose is better than Lin as a person ?

How is this on topic??? If we're headed so far off topic we might as well close the thread since ESPN has already apologized.

jp611
02-18-2012, 01:34 PM
Knicks fans are funny

IceMan360
02-18-2012, 01:54 PM
"Hahaha! This racism is killing me!" -- Dave Chappelle

Lmao FTW :up:

ThePooH_1_
02-18-2012, 01:59 PM
So Rose is better than Lin as a person ?

LOL! Do you know Lin as a Person or Rose??? I don't think so, what a dumb question, sorry bro :D

utahjazzno12fan
02-18-2012, 02:20 PM
I can honestly say it took me about 30 seconds to figure out what the problem was... Hopefully it was just an honest mistake.

nastynice
02-18-2012, 02:21 PM
wow, how BLATANTLY racist. Before reading the actual headline, I thought it was gonna be one of those pc things, where people are just overly sensitive. But DAMN, wtf, Chink in the armor?!?! SO BLATANTLY racist, it made me lol

nastynice
02-18-2012, 02:22 PM
I can honestly say it took me about 30 seconds to figure out what the problem was... Hopefully it was just an honest mistake.

dude, the ONLY way that's an honest mistake is if the writer is mentally challenged. Like CLINICALLY mentally challenged. That's the only way I can see that being an honest mistake

metsrock229
02-18-2012, 02:23 PM
Oh grow up people, we all know what they meant by that word. It doesn't just mean a racial slur for Asians. Come on now.

Yeah, obviously this is true and nobody is disagreeing with that. But think about this, if it was Amare or Melo, the headline would not be the same. That is why it is racist. The person used a pun by using a common phrase and also applying it to an Asian where the word is a racial slur

metsrock229
02-18-2012, 02:26 PM
LOL! Do you know Lin as a Person or Rose??? I don't think so, what a dumb question, sorry bro :D

I'm not defending either one of you, but do you know either one as a person? I'm assuming neither of you do. Not even sure how it got on this topic and not going to go back to read how.

Only people that know both of them would be able to make a reasonable opinion, so let's leave it at that. :offtopic:

Beltrans Mole
02-18-2012, 02:41 PM
Is it bad that I find humor in puns, regardless of racial slur intent or not? Even as a Knicks fan?

LongIslandIcedZ
02-18-2012, 02:45 PM
I doubt there was an malicious intent behind the headline. If there was, then the writer has some explaining to do. But I doubt there was.

Hawkize31
02-18-2012, 02:46 PM
It's difficult to know intent, but when I read it last night, I didn't even think of the derogatory nature of the word, I only thought of the expression. So I can see other people doing the same. Still, ESPN should have a filter set, and certain words, like chink, spic, etc should never be allowed on the website, no matter what the context is.

championships
02-18-2012, 02:48 PM
That's hilarious!!

Trueblue2
02-18-2012, 02:50 PM
:facepalm::facepalm: To all of the people that don't see anything wrong. I know it's a common phrase, because I'm not ********. When you run that caption directly under an asian dude that's been getting the media attention that Lin is getting it's going to be construed as racial. It's not that hard to use different words to describe a flaw or weakness, I don't see how "chink in the armor" was even suggested because of the obvious racial connotation. How many of you honestly didn't have a visceral reaction to the picture when you heard about it or saw it? Whether it's that's stupid, that's funny, or that's ****ed up?

Straight stupid on ESPN's part for not taking a look at the article before it was posted and saying "oh ****, we can't put this up". Because even if it wasn't intended it's still obvious.

celtisox41
02-18-2012, 03:00 PM
:facepalm::facepalm: To all of the people that don't see anything wrong. I know it's a common phrase, because I'm not ********. When you run that caption directly under an asian dude that's been getting the media attention that Lin is getting it's going to be construed as racial. It's not that hard to use different words to describe a flaw or weakness, I don't see how "chink in the armor" was even suggested because of the obvious racial connotation. How many of you honestly didn't have a visceral reaction to the picture when you heard about it or saw it? Whether it's that's stupid, that's funny, or that's ****ed up?

Straight stupid on ESPN's part for not taking a look at the article before it was posted and saying "oh ****, we can't put this up". Because even if it wasn't intended it's still obvious.

That's also an unacceptable word these days. You can't complain about one wrong thing by using another.

I don't really care that much at all though, people need to grow up. Not everything is racist just because you don't like it. Chink in the armor is a saying, I didn't even realize the "racist" part of it until everyone on here started to lose their minds. Everyone needs to get over it

Bruno
02-18-2012, 03:02 PM
i thought at first that it could have just been an honest mistake. that is an incredibly common phrase...


but i really don't think i can give them that benefit of the doubt. somebody made a very poor mistake...

x2, it was a little too easy. cheap.

da ThRONe
02-18-2012, 03:14 PM
It's clearly not a racial slur given the context it was used in.

The context was a play on words. Just like all the other headlines they used his name and race before. Somebody over at ESPN had to realize chink was a racial slur for yellow people(I'm assigning color to all races. It's the only fair way). Of all the headlines in the world they could have went with why use one that if you truly didn't mean it that way could be so easily taking out of context?

BcEuAbRsS
02-18-2012, 03:15 PM
So are they saying the Lin is inside of the armor?

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 03:18 PM
Yeah, probably.

Really? I never knew being a Folk means you're a good person http://chicagoist.com/attachments/Marcus%20Gilmer/2009_06_11_rose.jpg

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 03:18 PM
LOL! Do you know Lin as a Person or Rose??? I don't think so, what a dumb question, sorry bro :D

http://chicagoist.com/attachments/Marcus%20Gilmer/2009_06_11_rose.jpg

FOBolous
02-18-2012, 03:20 PM
Stop playing dumb. Chink means a crack or a narrow opening in something like a wall, armor, plate, glass, etc. They headlined the word correctly. The N-word only has one meaning, and im sure most of us have been taught in school about it.

I cant believe you even compared it.

YOU stop playing dumb. Chink is a racial slur used against Asian...much like how N*gger is a racial slur used against black people.

justjames
02-18-2012, 03:21 PM
Wow...just wow

da ThRONe
02-18-2012, 03:21 PM
That's also an unacceptable word these days. You can't complain about one wrong thing by using another.

I don't really care that much at all though, people need to grow up. Not everything is racist just because you don't like it. Chink in the armor is a saying, I didn't even realize the "racist" part of it until everyone on here started to lose their minds. Everyone needs to get over it

So what is or isn't racist is based on your knowledge or ignorance?

Like the person pointed out. Why would they even leave themselves open to being called racist with so much issue around race in the Lin story? I have a hard time buying that more than one person read the headline and it didn't dawn on anybody that this could easily be misconstrued as a racial slur. When you are in certain positions you are held to a higher standard. Any person of authority over at ESPN should have a read that and instantly said "NO WAY!".

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 03:22 PM
Stop playing dumb. Chink means a crack or a narrow opening in something like a wall, armor, plate, glass, etc. They headlined the word correctly. The N-word only has one meaning, and im sure most of us have been taught in school about it.

I cant believe you even compared it.

:facepalm: You're obviously a racist if you believe that's what they meant!

FOBolous
02-18-2012, 03:24 PM
That's also an unacceptable word these days. You can't complain about one wrong thing by using another.

I don't really care that much at all though, people need to grow up. Not everything is racist just because you don't like it. Chink in the armor is a saying, I didn't even realize the "racist" part of it until everyone on here started to lose their minds. Everyone needs to get over it

just because YOU didn't realize it doesn't change the FACT that it's a racist slur used against Asians. /thread

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 03:27 PM
That's also an unacceptable word these days. You can't complain about one wrong thing by using another.

I don't really care that much at all though, people need to grow up. Not everything is racist just because you don't like it. Chink in the armor is a saying, I didn't even realize the "racist" part of it until everyone on here started to lose their minds. Everyone needs to get over it

Obviously you're racist as well..If im Asian, you think im going to get over it that easy?

Trueblue2
02-18-2012, 03:29 PM
That's also an unacceptable word these days. You can't complain about one wrong thing by using another.

I don't really care that much at all though, people need to grow up. Not everything is racist just because you don't like it. Chink in the armor is a saying, I didn't even realize the "racist" part of it until everyone on here started to lose their minds. Everyone needs to get over it

off topic: I volunteer to help out mentally handicaped kids, I would never use the word ******** to describe one of them. But the word ****** is also just a general term for a stupid person, which is form of the word I was using it in. I'm not a PC fascist so I don't know what you think you're proving by pointing that out.


On topic: I never said this offended me, it actually made me laugh. But it shouldn't be published on a website as popular as ESPN because it's very easy to see why a person would be offended by it. Maybe not every casual observer will notice something wrong with it at first glance, but as a representative of ESPN the person making the caption has to be more socially aware than that. I don't know if it's just me personally but I think any journalist should be smart enough to not put the word "chink" in the title of an article focussed on someone of asian descent, let alone directly under a picture of an asian person. Regardless of context it was dumb to put that word in the caption, or even in the article.

da ThRONe
02-18-2012, 03:33 PM
The mere fact that ESPN took it down and apologized this quickly is proof enough that this was completely out of bounds.

It's funny how nalvete some people are acting. We have just all witness a entire week of the media using play on words with Lin's name and race. Now all of a sudden we are looking at things so literally.

GodsSon
02-18-2012, 03:35 PM
America never ceases to amaze with how prudish and sensitive you are when it comes to race/colour. "Chink in the armour" is an actual saying, and those deeming it racist are those who are relating it back to Lin's ethnicity (which is racist itself, when you think about it).

Would anyone have said anything if it was Amare in the photo? Stop with the double standards.

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 03:37 PM
America never ceases to amaze with how prudish and sensitive you are when it comes to race/colour. "Chink in the armour" is an actual saying, and those deeming it racist are those who are relating it back to Lin's ethnicity (which is racist itself, when you think about it).

Would anyone have said anything if it was Amare in the photo? Stop with the double standards.

Stop justifying a racist comment...If it wasn't so racist, why did ESPN quickly took it down and issued an apology?

justjames
02-18-2012, 03:37 PM
Clearly the vast majority of PSD has never heard of double entendre.

Bruno441
02-18-2012, 03:38 PM
Nothing will come of this but if a writer had written a headline like "LeBron's niggardly ball play reason for loss" can you imagine the huge uproar? The writer was incredibly stupid, racist or both. They deserved to be fired for that huge of a mistake but they probably won't because racism against Asians is only a minor offense.

GodsSon
02-18-2012, 03:39 PM
Stop justifying a racist comment...If it wasn't so racist, why did ESPN quickly took it down and issued an apology?

Because Americans have skin as thick as zig-zags and will take the opportunity to ***** about anything they individually deem even slightly offensive. It's the land of opportunity and suing.

Like I said, if it was Amare in the photo with the same caption, is it still racist?

da ThRONe
02-18-2012, 03:39 PM
America never ceases to amaze with how prudish and sensitive you are when it comes to race/colour. "Chink in the armour" is an actual saying, and those deeming it racist are those who are relating it back to Lin's ethnicity (which is racist itself, when you think about it).

Would anyone have said anything if it was Amare in the photo? Stop with the double standards.

Chink isn't a racial slur for black people.

If it said "Monkey business" or "Knickerbocker Please" then people would have a people. You can't just say ignore the context and focus on the line. Especially when all the headlines involving Lin has been about his decent as much as his name and/or play.

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 03:40 PM
if you were asian you wouldnt like being called a "chink" trust me.

Amazing how ignorant ppl can be. its the same thing as using the n word. how is it different ? just cuz some dumbasses would think its funny doesnt mean its actually funny.

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 03:43 PM
Because Americans have skin as thick as zig-zags and will take the opportunity to ***** about anything they individually deem even slightly offensive. It's the land of opportunity and suing.

Like I said, if it was Amare in the photo with the same caption, is it still racist?

disagree with you there godson. were from toronto so its easy for us to be like oh its not a big deal. we live in a very diverse society. its not like that every where.

Trueblue2
02-18-2012, 03:43 PM
Because Americans have skin as thick as zig-zags and will take the opportunity to ***** about anything they individually deem even slightly offensive. It's the land of opportunity and suing.

Like I said, if it was Amare in the photo with the same caption, is it still racist?

No of course not, because chink isn't a racial slur for black people, it's a racial slur for asian people. Stop building that straw man, it's not at all relevant to the point you're trying to make.

FOBolous
02-18-2012, 03:43 PM
Nothing will come of this but if a writer had written a headline like "LeBron's niggardly ball play reason for loss" can you imagine the huge uproar? The writer was incredibly stupid, racist or both. They deserved to be fired for that huge of a mistake but they probably won't because racism against Asians is only a minor offense.

agreed. the double standards that asians get in regards to racism is sickening. if racist slur is use on a black or hispanic player...everyone will be up in arms. when when it's on an Asian player...there are people who says "it's not a big deal" and "get over it." absolutely sickening.

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 03:44 PM
Because Americans have skin as thick as zig-zags and will take the opportunity to ***** about anything they individually deem even slightly offensive. It's the land of opportunity and suing.

Like I said, if it was Amare in the photo with the same caption, is it still racist?

No because he's not asian obviously...That's like saying if they had a pic of Lin and the "N" word as a caption is that racist?

Either way you put it, it's a racist comment...Lin is asian and chink is a racist slur for asians therefor making it a racist comment!

da ThRONe
02-18-2012, 03:45 PM
Clearly the vast majority of PSD has never heard of double entendre.

Thank you. I can't believe that anybody at ESPN read the line and they didn't know there was a word in it that was a racial slur for yellow people in it, with a person of asain decent in the headline and didn't think this could easily be taken the wrong way.

I'm not overly PC matter fact I'm not PC at all, but poor taste is poor taste. There is nobody that can convince me they weren't making a connect between race and player.

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 03:45 PM
It's funny how people find it funny that ESPN used a racist slur, but yet say how much they hate ESPN. I wonder if they would react the same if it was an NBA player from there own team!

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 03:46 PM
Nothing will come of this but if a writer had written a headline like "LeBron's niggardly ball play reason for loss" can you imagine the huge uproar? The writer was incredibly stupid, racist or both. They deserved to be fired for that huge of a mistake but they probably won't because racism against Asians is only a minor offense.

i agree. it shouldnt matter wich ethnicity is being targeted. any rasicm should be viewed the same way and not tolerated.

GodsSon
02-18-2012, 03:48 PM
disagree with you there godson. were from toronto so its easy for us to be like oh its not a big deal. we live in a very diverse society. its not like that every where.

That's probably it too. We just have have a different way of thinking because people here aren't on edge like down south; probably due to the fact that we never had slavery up here.

This is the way I see it though, it's only racist if you want it to be racist and are looking at it from that angle only.

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 03:50 PM
That's probably it too. We just have have a different way of thinking because people here aren't on edge like down south; probably due to the fact that we never had slavery up here.

This is the way I see it though, it's only racist if you want it to be racist and are looking at it from that angle only.

but "chink" is a racist term. and obviously the saying "chink in the armour" would apply to this espn story because the player they are talking about is of asian decent.

if he was a white player would they think the same saying would be creative as a head line ? probably not.

GodsSon
02-18-2012, 03:54 PM
but "chink" is a rasict term. and obviously the saying "chink in the armour" would aply to this espn story because the player they are talking about is of asian decent.

if he was a white player would they think they same saying would be creative as a head line ? probably not.

Yes, it's a racist term, but it's also an actual saying that makes sense in this particular story considering the Knicks just suffered their first loss with Lin. If people were quick to shoot down the idea of race being a reason for his jump into the spotlight, then why attribute it to the news headline now? It's like picking and choosing when it's convenient to do so.

SeoulBeatz
02-18-2012, 03:59 PM
Well I imagine if a story were run about Kobe that said....

"Kobe **ggardly nixes the Knicks" it would be a much bigger deal, don't ya think?

Mrphilly
02-18-2012, 04:03 PM
Im reading all these comments and it amazes me how the tasteless, racist headline makes so many people laugh. "Chink in the Armor" is not a racist term....Unless you put a picture of an Asian underneath it. How is that so hard to understand?

People are saying that knicks fans are too sensitive. Im not a Knick fan or a Asian, but I know ignorance when I see it. All the people responsible for this headline should be fired, because you know it wasnt just one person.

tredigs
02-18-2012, 04:05 PM
Yes, it's a racist term, but it's also an actual saying that makes sense in this particular story considering the Knicks just suffered their first loss with Lin. If people were quick to shoot down the idea of race being a reason for his jump into the spotlight, then why attribute it to the news headline now? It's like picking and choosing when it's convenient to do so.

You are an idiot. Your made a leap in your point about two things that are in no way connected.

While race is indeed a major reason for him drawing the attention he's getting (and it is a worthy reason; he's challenging the common perception that Asian Americans simply can't hang in the NBA and giving a huge motivational boost to tens of thousands of kids out there), it is far from the entirety of why he is such a sensation. He re-energized an organization (THE biggest market organization at that, which is another huge reason why this is such a story) that was seeing its season go down the drain. And he came from the end of the bench to do it. Combine all those factors and you have yourself the perfect underdog story, and the world eats that up.

What exactly does any of that have to do with ESPN using a blatant headline that many Asians and otherwise are going to take as racist? It was very clear what that writer and/or editor did there, hence the immediate removal and subsequent apology.

Sly Guy
02-18-2012, 04:05 PM
Someone will probably lose their job over that one.

And it's pretty racist and unfunny.

lol, I'm not sure it was. 'chink in the armor' doesn't have to be racist, because the expression has been around from a lot longer than asians were ever called 'chinks'. It just might have been someone failing to see the double meaning before posting it. Lighten up people.

smiddy012
02-18-2012, 04:06 PM
Well I imagine if a story were run about Kobe that said....

"Kobe **ggardly nixes the Knicks" it would be a much bigger deal, don't ya think?

Of course because that word is arguably the most visceral word in the English language, specifically in the US because of our fresh history. No one should use it, but it has a legacy unfortunately.

That said whoever is responsible at ESPN should be fired, not necessarily for being racist or inconsiderate, but for being straight up stupid.

smiddy012
02-18-2012, 04:12 PM
lol, I'm not sure it was. 'chink in the armor' doesn't have to be racist, because the expression has been around from a lot longer than asians were ever called 'chinks'. It just might have been someone failing to see the double meaning before posting it. Lighten up people.

Well then whoever wrote it is even more incredibly stupid and ignorant. That is the worse racial term for an asian in the US and it's been that way for generations. The one responsible for this should be fired as he is obviously a liability for any organization that deals with PR.

Vampirate
02-18-2012, 04:14 PM
Well I imagine if a story were run about Kobe that said....

"Kobe **ggardly nixes the Knicks" it would be a much bigger deal, don't ya think?

Well first of all that is a stupid headline which only would blatantly would have 1 meaning.

While the headline was a mistake, it is possible the person who wrote it didn't know the meaning of the word until it was too late (ESPN got alot of angry responses from the public). I didn't know chink was a deregetory term towards asians till now.

Never the less it's all politics and there will be consequences from this.

tredigs
02-18-2012, 04:14 PM
Of course because that word is arguably the most visceral word in the English language, specifically in the US because of our fresh history. No one should use it, but it has a legacy unfortunately.

That said whoever is responsible at ESPN should be fired, not necessarily for being racist or inconsiderate, but for being straight up stupid.

Exactly. Just the fact that somebody wrote and/or signed off on that being an appropriate headline without being absolutely sure it would cause a shitstorm for ESPN just shines a spotlight on how flat out clueless/irresponsible of a person they must be. I would fire that person IMMEDIATELY for their ineptitude in understanding that alone.

@Vampirrate up there, again, if you are uncultured to the point where you are not aware of common racist terms like "chink", then you have no business making headlines for the largest sports media outlet in the world. Again, fire them for stupidity/ignorance 1st, being a bigot 2nd.

GiantsSwaGG
02-18-2012, 04:15 PM
You are an idiot. Your made a leap in your point about two things that are in no way connected.

While race is indeed a major reason for him drawing the attention he's getting (and it is a worthy reason; he's challenging the common perception that Asian Americans simply can't hang in the NBA and giving a huge motivational boost to tens of thousands of kids out there), it is far from the entirety of why he is such a sensation. He re-energized an organization (THE biggest market organization at that, which is another huge reason why this is such a story) that was seeing its season go down the drain. And he came from the end of the bench to do it. Combine all those factors and you have yourself the perfect underdog story, and the world eats that up.

What exactly does any of that have to do with ESPN using a blatant headline that many Asians and otherwise are going to take as racist? It was very clear what that writer and/or editor did there, hence the immediate removal and subsequent apology.

:laugh: :clap:

justinnum1
02-18-2012, 04:17 PM
Has this phrase even been used before in a sports context?

GodsSon
02-18-2012, 04:18 PM
You are an idiot. Your made a leap in your point about two things that are in no way connected.

While race is indeed a major reason for him drawing the attention he's getting (and it is a worthy reason; he's challenging the common perception that Asian Americans simply can't hang in the NBA and giving a huge motivational boost to tens of thousands of kids out there), it is far from the entirety of why he is such a sensation. He re-energized an organization (THE biggest market organization at that, which is another huge reason why this is such a story) that was seeing its season go down the drain. And he came from the end of the bench to do it. Combine all those factors and you have yourself the perfect underdog story, and the world eats that up.

What exactly does any of that have to do with ESPN using a blatant headline that many Asians and otherwise are going to take as racist? It was very clear what that writer and/or editor did there, hence the immediate removal and subsequent apology.

Or maybe you're just too stupid to understand my point.

"Chink" is a racist term and "chink in the armour" is a very common saying; one that fits in seamlessly with the Knicks and their first loss in 8 games. The problem is people have their antennas up and wait for the perfect opportunity to cry out about something being offensive. Could they have chosen a different headline? Sure. Only because it would have saved them the eventual ****-storm that is happening, not because the writer intended a racist pun (nobody knows).

We can agree to disagree here, I just think people are too quick to point out racism nowadays and will jump at any opportunity to do so.

Mrphilly
02-18-2012, 04:20 PM
Its obvious that most people dont take slurs against Asians very seriously. Making yours eyes tight to resemble an Asian is racist, Chink is racist, trying to speak like an Asian is racist, but people do it so often, its like second nature. Start recognizing ignorance, and just because you dont point out the racism, doesnt mean it will go away.

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 04:23 PM
You are an idiot. Your made a leap in your point about two things that are in no way connected.

While race is indeed a major reason for him drawing the attention he's getting (and it is a worthy reason; he's challenging the common perception that Asian Americans simply can't hang in the NBA and giving a huge motivational boost to tens of thousands of kids out there), it is far from the entirety of why he is such a sensation. He re-energized an organization (THE biggest market organization at that, which is another huge reason why this is such a story) that was seeing its season go down the drain. And he came from the end of the bench to do it. Combine all those factors and you have yourself the perfect underdog story, and the world eats that up.

What exactly does any of that have to do with ESPN using a blatant headline that many Asians and otherwise are going to take as racist? It was very clear what that writer and/or editor did there, hence the immediate removal and subsequent apology.


for such a smart guy you come off as a less then smart person yourself when calling someone an idiot for not understanding their point.

tredigs
02-18-2012, 04:25 PM
Or maybe you're just too stupid to understand my point.

"Chink" is a racist term and "chink in the armour" is a very common saying; one that fits in seamlessly with the Knicks and their first loss in 8 games. The problem is people have their antennas up and wait for the perfect opportunity to cry out about something being offensive. Could they have chosen a different headline? Sure. Only because it would have saved them the eventual ****-storm that is happening, not because the writer intended a racist pun (nobody knows).

We can agree to disagree here, I just think people are too quick to point out racism nowadays and will jump at any opportunity to do so.

Hahah dude, have you never read an ESPN tagline before? Do you not understand that making stupid puns and play on words is what they attempt to do in EVERY. SINGLE. HEADLINE?

You are the reason OJ was acquitted. I hate you.

heyman321
02-18-2012, 04:25 PM
Or maybe you're just too stupid to understand my point.

"Chink" is a racist term and "chink in the armour" is a very common saying; one that fits in seamlessly with the Knicks and their first loss in 8 games. The problem is people have their antennas up and wait for the perfect opportunity to cry out about something being offensive. Could they have chosen a different headline? Sure. Only because it would have saved them the eventual ****-storm that is happening, not because the writer intended a racist pun (nobody knows).

We can agree to disagree here, I just think people are too quick to point out racism nowadays and will jump at any opportunity to do so.

Lol what don't YOU understand? Yes "chink in the armor" is a real term, but being stupid enough, to use that phrase to describe an Asian player is OBVIOUSLY going to be deemed racist. Of course people would notice it, because even having the thought that it was appropriate, even for a second, is clearly stupid. Like someone else mentioned before, if Rondo had 10 steals in a game do you think it would be appropriate to have the headline as "Amazing Unarmed Robbery" ? No, because that's clearly connotative of stereotyping black people with robbery.

leftymo
02-18-2012, 04:28 PM
Its obvious that most people dont take slurs against Asians very seriously. Making yours eyes tight to resemble an Asian is racist, Chink is racist, trying to speak like an Asian is racist, but people do it so often, its like second nature. Start recognizing ignorance, and just because you dont point out the racism, doesnt mean it will go away.


very true. One thing I learned moving from the west coast to the east coast, was that I felt like I went back in time 30 years. It wasn't the blatant racism that bothered me, it was the sheer ignorance of the population.

I'm glad I left NY...

NY Sports radio, still think Jeremy Lin's homeland is China! He's AMERICAN...hello???

Is this thing on?

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 04:28 PM
Or maybe you're just too stupid to understand my point.

"Chink" is a racist term and "chink in the armour" is a very common saying; one that fits in seamlessly with the Knicks and their first loss in 8 games. The problem is people have their antennas up and wait for the perfect opportunity to cry out about something being offensive. Could they have chosen a different headline? Sure. Only because it would have saved them the eventual ****-storm that is happening, not because the writer intended a racist pun (nobody knows).

We can agree to disagree here, I just think people are too quick to point out racism nowadays and will jump at any opportunity to do so.

the writer thought it was funny. he though it was a creative headline that also related to lins back round. not a good idea. he was in the wrong thats why he apologised.

racism is a sensative topic it causes anger, it devides ppl so yes its a very sensative topic and should be avoided all together in the media or anywhere for that matter.

Trueblue2
02-18-2012, 04:28 PM
You are an idiot. Your made a leap in your point about two things that are in no way connected.

While race is indeed a major reason for him drawing the attention he's getting (and it is a worthy reason; he's challenging the common perception that Asian Americans simply can't hang in the NBA and giving a huge motivational boost to tens of thousands of kids out there), it is far from the entirety of why he is such a sensation. He re-energized an organization (THE biggest market organization at that, which is another huge reason why this is such a story) that was seeing its season go down the drain. And he came from the end of the bench to do it. Combine all those factors and you have yourself the perfect underdog story, and the world eats that up.

What exactly does any of that have to do with ESPN using a blatant headline that many Asians and otherwise are going to take as racist? It was very clear what that writer and/or editor did there, hence the immediate removal and subsequent apology.


Pretty much this ^

Also the role Lin's ethnicity played in the media attention he's getting makes the caption soooo much worse. The statement alone is bad, but when you take into account that he's the ONLY asian starting PG on an NBA (I honestly couldn't name another asian NBA player off the top of my head) team it becomes a lot worse. If it was a sport dominated by asians (having a really hard time coming up with non-racist-sounding example) then yea, whatever it's a phrase maybe the writer didn't mean it like that and we can give him the benefit of the doubt. But when he's literally the only asian player to play a significant role on his team in the whole league and his ethnicity is a part of what makes him appealing it's just stupid to use the word "chink" in the title. I have a very hard time believing it wasn't an intentional pun. The only thing that makes me doubt a little that it was intentional is that I don't think anyone could be that stupid, but I also don't think anyone could be stupid enough to do it unintentionally. Either way ESPN's stupidity exceeded my expectations.

GodsSon
02-18-2012, 04:29 PM
Hahah dude, have you never read an ESPN tagline before? Do you not understand that making stupid puns and play on words is what they attempt to do in EVERY. SINGLE. HEADLINE?

You are the reason OJ was acquitted. I hate you.

I'm not from the US (thank God) so I don't get exposed to ESPN...

Not sure what the bolded part has to do with anything. Obviously he did it, we all know it.

justinnum1
02-18-2012, 04:29 PM
Or maybe you're just too stupid to understand my point.

"Chink" is a racist term and "chink in the armour" is a very common saying; one that fits in seamlessly with the Knicks and their first loss in 8 games. The problem is people have their antennas up and wait for the perfect opportunity to cry out about something being offensive. Could they have chosen a different headline? Sure. Only because it would have saved them the eventual ****-storm that is happening, not because the writer intended a racist pun (nobody knows).

We can agree to disagree here, I just think people are too quick to point out racism nowadays and will jump at any opportunity to do so.

when have you ever heard the phrase "chink in the armor" used in a sports context?

nastynice
02-18-2012, 04:31 PM
Would anyone have said anything if it was Amare in the photo? Stop with the double standards.

bro, THATS THE POINT. They could've used that caption for a hundred different stories, but they used it in a story revolving around Lin. Thats the problem. Its pretty obvious it wasn't "accidental". I'm not saying wether the guy intended malice or not, but he needs to think a little better.

tredigs
02-18-2012, 04:36 PM
for such a smart guy you come off as a less then smart person yourself when calling someone an idiot for not understanding their point.

I realize calling someone an idiot is the worst way to get through to them and make a point, so I am not making any progress here doing that.

But I can't stand apologists and people who are willing to look the other way for something that is THAT 'in your face' of a mistake by ESPN. Add to that his comment which is essentially saying "well if u dont wanna attribute his rise in fame to him being asian then u cant say anything that is written about him is racist either!", then I just can't help myself. They are mutually exclusive situations that he is trying to tether together, and it is pathetic to watch.

Anyway, I've had enough with these shenanigans for now.

In short, the tagline was a slightly witty but ultimately entirely unprofessional/stupid/racist thing for such a major network to let see the light of day. And as such they removed it and apologist. And one editor is likely/rightly out of a job because of it. Why anyone would think that it wasn't meant to be a play on words seeing as that is exactly what ESPN does any chance they can on their headlines is beyond me.

Moving on.

topdog
02-18-2012, 04:50 PM
when have you ever heard the phrase "chink in the armor" used in a sports context?

I can't cite any specific article, but I have heard it a ton of times when a team looks really good for a stretch and all of a sudden they lose to a team they were expected to crush - just like this situation (7-0 Knicks vs. last place NOLA).

That's a terrible headline, but what about all the love Lin is getting for being Asian? People can decry racism all they want, but this sort of "benign racism" doesn't help either.

Canterbury
02-18-2012, 04:59 PM
That's a terrible headline, but what about all the love Lin is getting for being Asian? People can decry racism all they want, but this sort of "benign racism" doesn't help either. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people that are annoyed with ESPN talking about Lin nonstop...

Tkais9009
02-18-2012, 05:02 PM
the town next to mine used to be the Pekin Chinks... now they are the Pekin Dragons

hustleloyrspct
02-18-2012, 05:12 PM
it's pretty hillarious that no one has a sense of humor these days. I just find this funny and I don't see the big issue.

Q-TIP
02-18-2012, 05:21 PM
It wasn't even a clever pun. What does "chink in the armor" have to do with the end of a winning streak? What is this "armor" that was being referred to? The headline was a stretch as far as any real sports related topic goes.

Being that it was such a stretch, what was the point in using it other than to suggest racism? It was simply a publicity move IMO. And there is no such thing as bad publicity, especially for a global superpower like ESPN.

jaysfan46
02-18-2012, 05:54 PM
To all the people saying it's an actual saying and there's nothing racist about it, I agree it probably wasn't meant with any racist intentions but there are plenty of other sayings that should have been used. When it's under a picture of Lin they should have avoided the word chink altogether.

Onyxmeth
02-18-2012, 06:01 PM
Some of you playing innocent clearly don't understand journalism and how often double entendres are used. I refuse to believe a professional writer accidentally created a double entendre on a pretty loose saying when considering the context against the only asian player in the NFL, and it then somehow slipped through the noticing glance of his editor.

Either those involved were aware and should be fired, or are somehow so clueless to their own journalistic practices to let it slip through and should still be fired because this is what editors get paid to stop. Not seeing such an obvious play on words when it's your job to create these puns for a living clearly isn't cut to work for a media giant like ESPN. They should be editing town newsletters.

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 06:25 PM
I realize calling someone an idiot is the worst way to get through to them and make a point, so I am not making any progress here doing that.

But I can't stand apologists and people who are willing to look the other way for something that is THAT 'in your face' of a mistake by ESPN. Add to that his comment which is essentially saying "well if u dont wanna attribute his rise in fame to him being asian then u cant say anything that is written about him is racist either!", then I just can't help myself. They are mutually exclusive situations that he is trying to tether together, and it is pathetic to watch.

Anyway, I've had enough with these shenanigans for now.

In short, the tagline was a slightly witty but ultimately entirely unprofessional/stupid/racist thing for such a major network to let see the light of day. And as such they removed it and apologist. And one editor is likely/rightly out of a job because of it. Why anyone would think that it wasn't meant to be a play on words seeing as that is exactly what ESPN does any chance they can on their headlines is beyond me.

Moving on.


I actually agree with you on the topic. your point was being made clear with out the name calling thats all.

THINKBLUE15
02-18-2012, 06:25 PM
This is hilarious

Azzacadabra
02-18-2012, 06:49 PM
I lol'd.

OptiMized
02-18-2012, 06:53 PM
i have know idea what that means? can anyone explain?


nvm. thats pretty bad

USMCLaker
02-18-2012, 07:44 PM
I find it funny you keep on using Rose as an example, like Lin is on the same level.

What's funny is that you can't find the story anywhere on ESPN. They've already buried the story and you'd think if they were really sorry they would leave the apology up for all to see it's not like people aren't going to hear about it anywhere else.

Of course, all the other sports media venues are jumping at the chance to expose their mistakes.

SportsAndrew25
02-18-2012, 07:55 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

celmxc
02-18-2012, 08:07 PM
it may or may not be racist, but those were poor choice of words... thats for dammn sure...
hopefully they talk about this on PTI or First Take that would be awesome

celtisox41
02-18-2012, 08:12 PM
So what is or isn't racist is based on your knowledge or ignorance?

Like the person pointed out. Why would they even leave themselves open to being called racist with so much issue around race in the Lin story? I have a hard time buying that more than one person read the headline and it didn't dawn on anybody that this could easily be misconstrued as a racial slur. When you are in certain positions you are held to a higher standard. Any person of authority over at ESPN should have a read that and instantly said "NO WAY!".

I agree someone at ESPN should have noticed it and stopped it, but it happened, complaining about it isn't going to change anything. People need to stop being so sensitive. Its not right to make a racial slur, but I feel like if Lin was a white guy and there was a headline with cracker in it it wouldn't be such a big deal. If everyone keeps separating the races instead of just treating a person like a person then nobody will ever be equal.

sunsfan88
02-18-2012, 08:17 PM
What word were they trying to use?

FOBolous
02-18-2012, 08:17 PM
I agree someone at ESPN should have noticed it and stopped it, but it happened, complaining about it isn't going to change anything. People need to stop being so sensitive. Its not right to make a racial slur, but I feel like if Lin was a white guy and there was a headline with cracker in it it wouldn't be such a big deal. If everyone keeps separating the races instead of just treating a person like a person then nobody will ever be equal.

I disagree. I think it will still be a really big deal. Any derogatory term that references a race have no place in professional journalism.

Sssmush
02-18-2012, 08:19 PM
This is just ridiculous.

This increases my suspicion that modern cable/internet sports journalism is literally in the hands of a bunch of trained monkeys right now. Aside from a ******** (and when I say "********" I mean "they can do anything") blunder like this, there are all the innumerable typos and errors in every sports story. And then the absurd NBA rumors every day. And retweets from Adrian Wojahowksi being reported as hard news in primetime and on front pages of sports news sites.

Lin could probably just sue them for damages. It wouldn't help his PR, but he could, and would probably win or get a settlement. That is how ******** the phony macho numbskulls e-eth-p-n are. Like they probably had to print a copy of the headline and run around the office to each other saying "what does this mean? do you think this is ok?" "Ummmm, I don't know, what did Chris and Dave and Chip say. Let's ask Skip and Todd. What did Steve say?"

uh, sorry, not be un-pc, but, yeah. ********. They prove it night in and night out, and this is like their crowning glory.

sunsfan88
02-18-2012, 08:20 PM
Some of you playing innocent clearly don't understand journalism and how often double entendres are used. I refuse to believe a professional writer accidentally created a double entendre on a pretty loose saying when considering the context against the only asian player in the NFL, and it then somehow slipped through the noticing glance of his editor.

Either those involved were aware and should be fired, or are somehow so clueless to their own journalistic practices to let it slip through and should still be fired because this is what editors get paid to stop. Not seeing such an obvious play on words when it's your job to create these puns for a living clearly isn't cut to work for a media giant like ESPN. They should be editing town newsletters.
There's an Asian player in the NFL?

KingPosey
02-18-2012, 08:30 PM
I bet hey didnt even think about the double meaning. Its amazing how people that get sooo upset over stuff like that are the first to make the comparisons.

TMcC801
02-18-2012, 08:30 PM
ESPN Fail!!! Wow :facepalm: WTF ha ha thats terrible!

RenegadeRiot36
02-18-2012, 08:32 PM
There's an Asian player in the NFL?

Patrick Chung is like a 1/4 Chinese and Chris Gocong is half. THey gotta count for something...

TMcC801
02-18-2012, 08:36 PM
I disagree. I think it will still be a really big deal. Any derogatory term that references a race have no place in professional journalism.

THIS.. Even if it wasnt meant as a racial slur, that one is pretty obvious...whoever it was either trying to crack wise, which didnt work out, or has no brain.. sadly it was probably a combination of the two..:mad:ESPN..

sandsurfr2
02-18-2012, 08:42 PM
I cant believe this happened...I didnt want to believe it at first so I googled and of coarse it popped up. The worst part is that it isnt the first time, apparently there was a video on their website with an analyst saying the same thing about Lin...

I hope it was someone who didnt know what it meant...but I have to believe more than one person OKs the headlines? But maybe im assuming too much?

sandsurfr2
02-18-2012, 08:43 PM
Oh I found the vid....here it happend again...

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/2/18/2807769/chink-in-the-armor-fail-espn-jeremy-lin

Qwertys
02-18-2012, 09:25 PM
That's freaking hilarious

smith&wesson
02-18-2012, 09:40 PM
lol how long is this thread going to last for. they apologized right alright, lets move on.

joefx21
02-18-2012, 09:45 PM
I bet hey didnt even think about the double meaning. Its amazing how people that get sooo upset over stuff like that are the first to make the comparisons.

Are you serious? I really don't care if it offends your or not, that's not my point, but you don't think the writer chose the headline based on Lin's ethnicity and the double meaning behind the word? If you believe that, I have some beach front property in Las Vegas available for dirt cheap, if you're interested. You can use the money you won in the (insert country here) lottery. Just mail me a check and we'll get the ball rolling.

Sssmush
02-18-2012, 10:57 PM
First of all, just to be clear, the usage of the euphemism "chink in the armor" is completely non sequitur when applied to the idea of Jeremy Lin having a bad game.

euphemism: "Chink in the armor"

1) A narrow opening and vunerable area in one's armor that the opponent will usually aim for. This term relies on "chink" in the sense of "a crack or gap," a meaning dating from about 1400 and used figuratively since the mid-1600s.

2) A figurative term for a one's weakness, largest flaw or their prevention of success.

3) ex. Because of the chink in the armor of Sir Lancelot, his opponent was able to break past his defense and inflict a dangerous flesh wound.

4) A vulnerable area, as in "Putting things off to the last minute is the chink in Pat's armor and is bound to get her in trouble one day." This term relies on chink in the sense of "a crack or gap," a meaning dating from about 1400 and used figuratively since the mid-1600s.


So, somehow the dumbasses at espn were just like "Lin had a bad game and knicks lost = Chink in the armor" which is not even a good usage of the euphemism at all, besides being transparently and venomously prejudicial and showing some underlying resentment.

Not to escalate this, but all in one week there is the wiener comment story, then the chink in the armor story... if I didn't know better I'd say that there are some jealous haters out there who feel like their toes are being stepped on and don't like somebody who doesn't fit the traditional mold coming in and succeeding and being super popular in the NBA.

anyone remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIdIfWn03QA

USMCLaker
02-18-2012, 11:14 PM
Patrick Chung is like a 1/4 Chinese and Chris Gocong is half. THey gotta count for something...

I'm part of the Asian persuasian does that count?

sunsfan88
02-18-2012, 11:27 PM
What word were they trying to use if they weren't meaning "chink'?

"chick" in the armor?

JC_
02-18-2012, 11:28 PM
First of all, just to be clear, the usage of the euphemism "chink in the armor" is completely non sequitur when applied to the idea of Jeremy Lin having a bad game.

euphemism: "Chink in the armor"

2) A figurative term for a one's weakness, largest flaw or their prevention of success.




The main thing they were referring to was his turnovers and that he's no longer perfect which would make sense IMO if the word wasn't racist.

NYY_NYK4
02-18-2012, 11:41 PM
Did Jason Whitlock start working for ESPN?

Captain Moroni
02-18-2012, 11:59 PM
Funny, when I first saw this I didn't look at it in that way. Now it sounds awful

JC_
02-19-2012, 12:05 AM
Funny, when I first saw this I didn't look at it in that way. Now it sounds awful

Same.

Sssmush
02-19-2012, 12:23 AM
The main thing they were referring to was his turnovers and that he's no longer perfect which would make sense IMO if the word wasn't racist.

Yeah, but it still makes no sense, really, even if it wasn't racist.

Like, let's say Carmelo goes 1-18 and the Knicks lose the game. Can you imagine the headline would be:


"A Narrow and Vulnerable Opening in Knicks Armor"

or

"A Narrow and Vulnerable Opening in Carmelo's Armor"

or even

"Carmelo has a weakness!"

or


"Carmelo has a weakness!"

or

"A Crack in the Armor!"

or

"Carmelo's Crack is Showing!"

or even

"A Chink in Carmelo's Armor!"


I mean, none of that **** makes any ****ing sense if you think about it. Which means that not only is this e-eth-p-n story racist, but it is also a more or less complete non sequitur and a dumbass misuse of the phrase.

For that matter, and don't get me started, somebody should do some research, and see if any newspaper, website or TV station has EVER, in the HISTORY OF BASKETBALL, run a headline or a story titled "Chink in the Armor", for any reason whatsoever. Much less for a Knicks loss where the PG has 9 turnovers.

Captain Moroni
02-19-2012, 12:28 AM
I mean, none of that **** makes any ****ing sense if you think about it. Which means that not only is this e-eth-p-n story racist, but it is also a more or less complete non sequitur and a dumbass misuse of the phrase.

For that matter, and don't get me started, somebody should do some research, and see if any newspaper, website or TV station has EVER, in the HISTORY OF BASKETBALL, run a headline or a story titled "Chink in the Armor", for any reason whatsoever. Much less for a Knicks loss where the PG has 9 turnovers.[/QUOTE]


I still don't see it. This could end your career if you were trying to be funny. Why do something so blatantly stupid?
A chink in the armor is a commonly used term to show vulnerability. IMO no malice was meant.

NYYCowboys
02-19-2012, 12:39 AM
The funny thing is they took heat over using the same headline for like a USA-China FIBA game once, and then they do it again. SMH.

Sssmush
02-19-2012, 01:11 AM
I still don't see it. This could end your career if you were trying to be funny. Why do something so blatantly stupid? A chink in the armor is a commonly used term to show vulnerability. IMO no malice was meant.

LoL, now I'M the one being blatantly stupid? Jeebus Kwyzt, these morons ran this story on a national website and it was downloaded millions of times.

What, I'm gonna end my career as a ****-off troll poster in an obscure internet sports forum? HAHA you are funny.

Look, first of all, there's no question that malice was meant. It was meant to be a snide remark with racist overtones. I mean why are we even talking about this? It is indefensible and utterly laughable really.

If you want to get real about this, then we could say that THIS, this story, is actually a huge chink in the armor, and for that matter the prestige, of espn.

I mean, they are already a bunch of man-boys, ex-jock Peter Pan's getting by on their absurdly serious and self-reverential treatment of idiotic sports stories, everything from "Carmelo madness" to the Jerry Sandusky rape case, almost all of which have NOTHING TO DO WITH ACTUAL SPORTS WHATEVER.

And then you've got something good going on in the NBA, some good PG play in New York, and they can't go 10 days without stepping in it with some absurdly racist and idiotic headline "Chink in the Armor."

I mean L - O - L

Sure, maybe it's not that big of a deal, but I, for one, am sure going to rub this in and have a good ****ing laugh about it.

topdog
02-19-2012, 01:54 AM
First of all, just to be clear, the usage of the euphemism "chink in the armor" is completely non sequitur when applied to the idea of Jeremy Lin having a bad game.

euphemism: "Chink in the armor"

1) A narrow opening and vunerable area in one's armor that the opponent will usually aim for. This term relies on "chink" in the sense of "a crack or gap," a meaning dating from about 1400 and used figuratively since the mid-1600s.

2) A figurative term for a one's weakness, largest flaw or their prevention of success.

3) ex. Because of the chink in the armor of Sir Lancelot, his opponent was able to break past his defense and inflict a dangerous flesh wound.

4) A vulnerable area, as in "Putting things off to the last minute is the chink in Pat's armor and is bound to get her in trouble one day." This term relies on chink in the sense of "a crack or gap," a meaning dating from about 1400 and used figuratively since the mid-1600s.


So, somehow the dumbasses at espn were just like "Lin had a bad game and knicks lost = Chink in the armor" which is not even a good usage of the euphemism at all, besides being transparently and venomously prejudicial and showing some underlying resentment.

Not to escalate this, but all in one week there is the wiener comment story, then the chink in the armor story... if I didn't know better I'd say that there are some jealous haters out there who feel like their toes are being stepped on and don't like somebody who doesn't fit the traditional mold coming in and succeeding and being super popular in the NBA.

anyone remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIdIfWn03QA


The Knicks were undefeated with Lin in the starting lineup and seemingly "unbeatable" in crunch time. Suddenly, the Lin-led Knicks are found to have a weakness and are dealt the crushing blow. So, yes, the phrase does have relevance.

I love how some people just love to fan the flames. It was a major mistake (whether intentional or not) and a very stupid one.

JC_
02-19-2012, 01:54 AM
Yeah, but it still makes no sense, really, even if it wasn't racist.

Like, let's say Carmelo goes 1-18 and the Knicks lose the game. Can you imagine the headline would be:


"A Narrow and Vulnerable Opening in Knicks Armor"

or

"A Narrow and Vulnerable Opening in Carmelo's Armor"

or even

"Carmelo has a weakness!"

or


"Carmelo has a weakness!"

or

"A Crack in the Armor!"

or

"Carmelo's Crack is Showing!"

or even

"A Chink in Carmelo's Armor!"


I mean, none of that **** makes any ****ing sense if you think about it. Which means that not only is this e-eth-p-n story racist, but it is also a more or less complete non sequitur and a dumbass misuse of the phrase.

For that matter, and don't get me started, somebody should do some research, and see if any newspaper, website or TV station has EVER, in the HISTORY OF BASKETBALL, run a headline or a story titled "Chink in the Armor", for any reason whatsoever. Much less for a Knicks loss where the PG has 9 turnovers.

If Carmelo is perfect in the win column for his first 7 starts and then loses it makes sense IMO. Cause it means he/they have a weakness and are vulnerable. It's definately not the right thing to say either way though and the guy who wrote it will find out soon enough.

topdog
02-19-2012, 02:01 AM
Anyone catch SNL tonight?

utl768
02-19-2012, 02:29 AM
lol

DaBear
02-19-2012, 02:40 AM
LOL are people serious? This word is similar to the N-bomb used against black people. But hey, it's ok. No harm. ESPN is just "joking." :rolleyes:

DaBear
02-19-2012, 02:44 AM
I can't wait until ESPN headlines LeBron "Monkey goes wild" and everyone starts flaming ESPN for racism.

heyman321
02-19-2012, 03:10 AM
They should just use the headline "Unarmed Robbery" for every game Rondo has more than 5 steals. Not Rubio though just Rondo.

DaBear
02-19-2012, 03:35 AM
It's clearly not a racial slur given the context it was used in.

LOL oh no it's just a coincidence that they used the word for a guy who just so happens to be Asian. :facepalm:

Truthfully, I don't think the guys who make titles for a big company like ESPN would be that stupid (meaning not knowing it's commonly used as a racial slur towards Asians.) People are just too naive these days and think "Oh no, he couldn't have meant that."

DaBear
02-19-2012, 03:40 AM
I find it ironic that some posters in this thread use the word "monkey" as a black stereotype to prove a point about racial slurs.

Who's the racist now? ;)

You don't understand what he's trying to say. If ESPN made that their headline, do you think no one would have a problem with it? I don't..

HeaTxRipZz
02-19-2012, 08:53 AM
Double Entendre -

1
: ambiguity of meaning arising from language that lends itself to more than one interpretation
2
: a word or expression capable of two interpretations with one usually risqué

Now on to the subject I'm going to be honest when I first read about this whole situation I laughed because even though it's a common phrase you can see why that phrase was used. I mean I laugh at black jokes (I'm african american), White jokes, any type of jokes period. Not everyone can take certain types of jokes for whatever the reason is and as a major media platform ESPN is obligated to cater to that

Now I'm in no way going to call this editor racist because I know people who don't see color they just see people but still tell these types of jokes but it was in VERY bad taste and he knew what he was doing.

netsgiantsyanks
02-19-2012, 10:39 AM
this is how i really feel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo&feature=related

Gram
02-19-2012, 10:43 AM
:laugh:

HeaTxRipZz
02-19-2012, 11:02 AM
hahahahhaa @netsgiantsyanks

Bornknick73
02-19-2012, 03:45 PM
It was a stupid choice and clearly racist in nature. If he wanted to use the same idea or play on words he could have easily said....

"The Weak Lin-k in the Armor"

Pretty much the same thing without the racist overtone.

beliges
02-19-2012, 03:50 PM
It was a stupid choice and clearly racist in nature. If he wanted to use the same idea or play on words he could have easily said....

"The Weak Lin-k in the Armor"

Pretty much the same thing without the racist overtone.

Definitely NOT. Racism is something that is done with malice intent. Something that is done intentionally with the purpose of degrading someone or a group of people because of their race. There was no malice intent in saying "Chink in the armor." Its pretty stupid and irresponsible to say this was a "racist" comment when it clearly wasnt. Words in and of themselves are not racist, but the context in which they are used make them racist. People need to get the hell over it. The word "ngger" isnt racist. Its the meaning behind the word coupled with the intent that makes it racist.

topdog
02-19-2012, 04:02 PM
LOL are people serious? This word is similar to the N-bomb used against black people. But hey, it's ok. No harm. ESPN is just "joking." :rolleyes:

There is no longstanding phrase with the word "niggr" in it. "Chink in the armor" as a phrase pre-dates the term "chink." A better example would be a poorly-chosen phrase/sentence using "picnic" such as "with all the international talent these days, the draft is no longer a picnic."


I can't wait until ESPN headlines LeBron "Monkey goes wild" and everyone starts flaming ESPN for racism.

Ummm... don't see that happening, but I don't think my choice of "ghost monkeys" for a minor league basketball team will every make it through because people choose racism over good ol' non-sensical fun (i.e. the monkeys reference has nothing to do with the fact that most pro basketball players are black).

topdog
02-19-2012, 04:04 PM
It was a stupid choice and clearly racist in nature. If he wanted to use the same idea or play on words he could have easily said....

"The Weak Lin-k in the Armor"

Pretty much the same thing without the racist overtone.

That headline doesn't make sense though. The reference to "armor" is because of the phrase "chink in the armor." Now, you could go with "The Weakest Lin-k," but with the way the media has been hyping Lin I don't think they want to refer to him as that.

bigmac8675
02-19-2012, 05:47 PM
Haha.... i thought it was funny! Wrong... but funny!

DaBear
02-19-2012, 05:59 PM
That headline doesn't make sense though. The reference to "armor" is because of the phrase "chink in the armor." Now, you could go with "The Weakest Lin-k," but with the way the media has been hyping Lin I don't think they want to refer to him as that.

So then don't go with the phrase all together. Come up with something else. I thought the guys at ESPN we're creative enough to do that. The guy who made that phrase is either an idiot, or knew the racial background behind the term and went with it anyway. He got what he deserved.

Sssmush
02-19-2012, 06:41 PM
The Knicks were undefeated with Lin in the starting lineup and seemingly "unbeatable" in crunch time. Suddenly, the Lin-led Knicks are found to have a weakness and are dealt the crushing blow. So, yes, the phrase does have relevance.

I love how some people just love to fan the flames. It was a major mistake (whether intentional or not) and a very stupid one.

It's just like, after Fuzzy Zoeller's racist comments about Tiger winning the Masters, he (and others) tried to defend them by saying that there was a reason for the comments, that they had actually served fried chicken at the Masters tournament that year, and he was just trying to say that the fried chicken helped Tiger win somehow, and also that they had served collard greens also.

They honestly ran with that explanation, and lots of people in the media said at the time that Fuzzy didn't mean nuthin' by eeet, hay was jusht cong-ratch-awlai-tin' Tigurr, 'bout haze baig win down dare at the Masta's y'all.

I mean, in Fuzzy's defense, there was fried chicken served at the clubhouse during the tournament, so it might've just been totally unintentional.

Sssmush
02-19-2012, 06:45 PM
seriously though, guys like Bob Costas and George Will walk a fine line, in attempting to glorify sports like Baseball, talking all poetic like about the pageantry and the majesty of the game, the eternal glory of the boys of spring etc.

I mean, they got a good shtick going, so more power to them. But, it is just sports and so they are always kind of walking a fine line between being credible and being ridiculous.

So, when ESPN leads out on a HUGE (Jeremy Lin story is huge) story like Jeremy Lin with an idiotic headline like "Chink in the Armor", then the whole kit and kaboodle is in danger of going down as a bunch of moronic idiots.

ink
02-19-2012, 07:36 PM
Definitely NOT. Racism is something that is done with malice intent.

No it's not. Racism is distinguishing based on race. You can praise people for their "jumping ability" or "dancing ability" and be very racist. It has nothing to do with positive or negative intention. People put their foot in their mouths all the time with racist comments. If you're an adult and a member of the media you wouldn't find that funny and you would be enough of a professional to double check what you just wrote to make sure you didn't say anything stupid. Basically the headline writer didn't get fired for being racist, but because he/she was an incompetent employee. I doubt ESPN wants to be the moron network OR the racist network. I mean how low do you think a reputable worldwide media organization wants to go to attract readers?? If that headline was even vaguely funny it couldn't possibly appeal to an adult.