PDA

View Full Version : Should Scott Foster Lose His Job?



goblazers7
02-12-2012, 11:36 PM
Here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9oH9gjJpLKE)
Here are some quotes by Dwayne Casey (Raptors Head Coach) :

“What little money I make I think I like it, so I’m not going to comment on it,” a now composed Casey said of the contentious conclusion when he spoke with reporters about 15 minutes after the game had ended.

“We’ll send it to the league, let them review it.”
...
“I asked for him [Foster] to count out loud for me, to help me out a little bit,” a subdued Butler said. “He did, I heard four and I turned to call a timeout and he felt like it was five seconds.”

Scott Foster should have been on a VERY short leash after blowing the goal-tending call in Portland last week. NBA.com/official has the official press release on the call.

Should this guy be fired already? How are you going to feel when this guy comes and calls your home teams games?

This guy should be fired after doing this twice, in less than a WEEK!

Ill21
02-12-2012, 11:41 PM
All of the officials have been awful this season. I just dont get it, its like they make calls just to **** up games lol.

shep33
02-12-2012, 11:44 PM
I watched it a few times, and it was a 5 second violation. I'm not even trying to be a homer. I thought the Raps got screwed at first, but I watched it over and over again. Foster was making the hand motion after every second that went by, that being said I didn't see if Foster was verbally counting down the time... and really he doesn't have to does he? However, I could not tell when Casey asked for a timeout, I just couldn't see. If he asked for it simultaneously with Butler, then it's still a five second violation.

That's not Foster's responsibility to count down the time for a player to inbound the ball outloud... if your Butler you have to have the awareness to realize time is running out

The Lakers did not deserve that game, lol, probably better if we lost, this way the FO could've made some deals faster!

ManRam
02-12-2012, 11:45 PM
no.

it sucks when they mess up...and they do a lot. but they're humans, and they don't have the advantages like we do of instant replay, multiple angles, time to think even...

should the heat of fired lebron after he messed up and "cost" his team wins last year in the playoffs? no. he made mistakes that cost his team wins...it happens. foster makes mistakes too, so be it. i make mistakes at my job, and don't get fired. human error...gotta live with it. until we have robots here, or until we slow the game down to a 5 hour game and review every play, it's gonna happen.

i don't know if they are more deserving refs hanging around out there...but i assume the nba tries to get the best ones they can.


i also think it was a 5 second call. if you put a timer to the announcer's counting, it doesn't match up. also, you have no idea when the play starts from that. i mean, he clearly doesn't start counting right when players move, and we don't see or hear when the count should have started.

heyman321
02-12-2012, 11:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAoYl3UTk7o

Take it for what you will. Rasual Butler went over 5 seconds clearly, but what it doesn't show is Casey calling timeout at like 3-4 seconds.

shep33
02-12-2012, 11:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAoYl3UTk7o

Take it for what you will. Rasual Butler went over 5 seconds clearly, but what it doesn't show is Casey calling timeout at like 3-4 seconds.

Do we have any views of Casey calling a timeout earlier? If he did, they got robbed, but I just can't seem to find one.

Also if your Casey, you should be doing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGu7kGXAa-E lol

bholly
02-13-2012, 12:06 AM
The video of Casey is here:
http://youtu.be/9oH9gjJpLKE

I don't see him calling timeout. When he finally does something, it's when the clock is at like 6 on the video with the timer (here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAoYl3UTk7o)), which you can tell by watching DeRozan in both videos to match up the times.

Seems like a perfectly good call to me.

bholly
02-13-2012, 12:14 AM
Bruce Arthur @bruce_arthur
Q. Kobe, were you surprised by the five-second call? A. No, because it was five seconds. I didn't go to college, but I can count.

.

shep33
02-13-2012, 12:16 AM
.

Great quote haha.

And nice vid. It was a 5 second violation.

THE GIPPER
02-13-2012, 05:35 AM
ng since to prove that they deserve that role, kobe's playing as well as ever and h

9-23

Raps18-19 Champ
02-13-2012, 06:32 AM
If you look at the replay(not the one given in the OP), Butler clearly turns and opens his mouth for a time out just before Foster raises his hand for the fifth time. It was close but clearly called like half way before his hand was raised for the fifth time.

gwrighter
02-13-2012, 11:19 AM
If you look at the replay(not the one given in the OP), Butler clearly turns and opens his mouth for a time out just before Foster raises his hand for the fifth time. It was close but clearly called like half way before his hand was raised for the fifth time.

this. & also Casey called a timeout before Butler did.

Heediot
02-13-2012, 11:48 AM
Where are the conspiracy theorist to claim Stern is wanting the Lakers in the playoffs?

Cal827
02-13-2012, 11:58 AM
Meh. Shouldn't lose his job over it. Rasual Butler definitely should though and I've been saying that way before this lol :facepalm:

The reffing has sucked more than a crack whore this year. I'd say they are rusty, but then again they always are lol. It was very close though.

Tmath
02-13-2012, 12:27 PM
It was a close call but the guy is shady as hell, he's also been linked to Tim Donaghy.

http://www.mahalo.com/scott-foster-referee-scandal/

http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/208201682/p1/?6

Atticus Finch
02-13-2012, 12:42 PM
It looks like Casey could have said timeout right before he started to bring his hands together but honestly I think he was too far away from the ref for the ref to hear clearly. In the 2nd video the camera begins to zoom out and at no point do you even see Casey enter the frame. Sure there can be some level of blame aimed towards the ref but this could have entirely been avoided if Butler was keeping time to himself instead of asking the ref to count for him. Instead of pushing the envelope and waiting until the last possible second to call the timeout he could have played it safe and called it after he counted 4 to himself. No reason to take that risk when you have at least one timeout left

raiderfaninTX
02-13-2012, 12:52 PM
It was a close call but the guy is shady as hell, he's also been linked to Tim Donaghy.

http://www.mahalo.com/scott-foster-referee-scandal/

http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/208201682/p1/?6

wow interesting discussions going on in those threads, Has he stated why donaghy called him so many times

BALLER R
02-13-2012, 01:30 PM
I think the main point here tho was that is it was reversed that call would never of went against the lakers. Raptors were down by 18 and came back up 4 with 3 mins left. Then the refs started making a bunch on foolish calls. Toronto was being called for a ton of fouls ALL OF A SUDDEN.

MickeyMgl
02-13-2012, 01:38 PM
If you look at the replay(not the one given in the OP), Butler clearly turns and opens his mouth for a time out just before Foster raises his hand for the fifth time. It was close but clearly called like half way before his hand was raised for the fifth time.

I Don't know if the rule has been changed, but it used to be that they aren't supposed to give you the timeout once the count reaches 4. At that point, your only option is to throw it in.

Atticus Finch
02-13-2012, 01:51 PM
I think the main point here tho was that is it was reversed that call would never of went against the lakers. Raptors were down by 18 and came back up 4 with 3 mins left. Then the refs started making a bunch on foolish calls. Toronto was being called for a ton of fouls ALL OF A SUDDEN.

Kleiza made a shot with 2:11 left that put the raptors up 4. The next foul to be called was called with 7 seconds left, when Grey intentionally fouled Kobe because the Raps had a foul to give. Lakers retained possession, Kobe made a jumpshot, the Raps turned the ball over, then they fouled Kobe intentionally again with 3.7 seconds left. In fact both teams were called for 4 fouls each in the 4th quarter.

http://www.nba.com/games/20120212/LALTOR/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021100408#Q4

smith&wesson
02-13-2012, 02:15 PM
i also watched it over and over again. and casey did call the time out. maybe the ref didnt hear him. but he clearly called a time out and turned around and started walking towards his players.

now any of us could be wrong or mistaken so why didnt they review the tape ?

smith&wesson
02-13-2012, 02:18 PM
Kleiza made a shot with 2:11 left that put the raptors up 4. The next foul to be called was called with 7 seconds left, when Grey intentionally fouled Kobe because the Raps had a foul to give. Lakers retained possession, Kobe made a jumpshot, the Raps turned the ball over, then they fouled Kobe intentionally again with 3.7 seconds left. In fact both teams were called for 4 fouls each in the 4th quarter.

http://www.nba.com/games/20120212/LALTOR/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021100408#Q4

casey did call a time out. why couldnt they have reviewed the tape ? they showed it to the fans over and over again.

if its a mistake,cool no prob. mistakes happen. but isnt that why they review tape now in late game situations ?

it was a bad call to turn over the ball. and they didnt even want to review it. to me that was suspect.

Chronz
02-13-2012, 02:23 PM
Nothing shady about it, if I didnt know any better Id say Casey was intentionally throwing this game by putting Butler in.

Chronz
02-13-2012, 02:35 PM
i also watched it over and over again. and casey did call the time out. maybe the ref didnt hear him. but he clearly called a time out and turned around and started walking towards his players.

now any of us could be wrong or mistaken so why didnt they review the tape ?

You saw the wrong video, check out the one with a timer. The raps version of the tape doesnt show the whole view and the announcer starts counting late.

Its funny, the Lakers announcers counted to 7. Both you guys are biased

Either way its the kind of idiotic mistake that doesnt deserve a review IMO. Maybe I would feel different if it was my team but I think I would be more ashamed than outraged.

Chronz
02-13-2012, 02:37 PM
If you look at the replay(not the one given in the OP), Butler clearly turns and opens his mouth for a time out just before Foster raises his hand for the fifth time. It was close but clearly called like half way before his hand was raised for the fifth time.

Not even close

SpaceJamJordans
02-13-2012, 02:42 PM
they should fire the raptors' commentators, theyre so biased and annoying. i moved to canada about a year ago from los angeles, and its just terrible.

Atticus Finch
02-13-2012, 02:42 PM
casey did call a time out. why couldnt they have reviewed the tape ? they showed it to the fans over and over again.

if its a mistake,cool no prob. mistakes happen. but isnt that why they review tape now in late game situations ?

it was a bad call to turn over the ball. and they didnt even want to review it. to me that was suspect.

The refs weren't allowed to review the tape under that scenario. They only use instant replay if the ball goes out of bounds and they need to determine who it last touched, or if they need to confirm if a shot was a 2 or 3 pointer. They also use it when the clock malfunctions or doesn't start properly, but not to determine if a player or coach called a timeout.

http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/mediacentral/NBA-Instant-Replay-Situations.pdf

Seems to me like the whole thing was a mistake. The ball was taken out in front of the Lakers bench meaning Casey was too far from the ball for the ref to clearly hear him, and if he leaves his designated coaching area he runs of the risk of getting T'd up. In that situation Butler is the one who is primarily responsible to call timeout if they have to, and he just waited too long. If this play was in front of Toronto's bench the timeout might have been called

iggypop123
02-13-2012, 03:56 PM
NBA reviewed this. Said it was the right call. The timeout was requested at 5.8 seconds

astrosmaniac
02-13-2012, 04:02 PM
it's hard to ref a game in a college basketball class (not a game, just a class), i can only imagine what it's like in the pros. that's a job i'd never want to have. more so than any sport imo basketball ref's have the hardest jobs and take the most ****