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BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 10:36 PM
They have a poll up asking who's the NBA's best point guard in the league..

-Jeremy Lin
-Chris Paul
-Rajon Rondo
-Derrick Rose
-Someone else

No i'm not kidding. Go look yourself LMFAO.
Obviously I don't have to highlight the player that makes this thread worthy, I just figured ayye, that was a real good laugh, why not share with everyone.

jp611
02-12-2012, 10:38 PM
Welcome to America :sigh:

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 10:38 PM
dont buy it, Maybe best pg of the week

JWO35
02-12-2012, 10:39 PM
That is laughable...what the hell they mean "Someone Else", who else can it be?

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 10:39 PM
Welcome to America :sigh:

this must kill you inside, You cry everytime lins name is mentioned (which has been a lot latley) lol :p

jam
02-12-2012, 10:39 PM
Another J Lin thread. Got it...

kjoke
02-12-2012, 10:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls

second question for me

Gators123
02-12-2012, 10:40 PM
NBA.com has this poll up:


Which of these young point guards would you want leading your team?

Ricky Rubio
Jeremy Lin
Kyrie Irving
John Wall


Lin has 48% of the votes...

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 10:41 PM
Welcome to America :sigh:

More like welcome to the onion

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 10:41 PM
people over react its not really a story, espn jumps on things, I do not believe that they said he was the best pg, It has to be for the week

redhorse
02-12-2012, 10:41 PM
See this is why I hate espn sometimes. they really feed into the hatred ppl have towards NY by doing these type of things. And then they blame the NY media for hyping ppl up when they are just as bad. They feed the beast. No knick fan believes that lin is the better than rose,rondo,westbrook,dwill. Please dont listen to that garbage

Tmath
02-12-2012, 10:42 PM
NBA.com has this poll up:



Lin has 48% of the votes...

Ridiculous.

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 10:42 PM
Another J Lin thread. Got it...

Another pointless post. thank you
Tip: Don't click into the thread if you're not interested.

LongIslandIcedZ
02-12-2012, 10:42 PM
Its a little ridiculous. But what the hell, keep riding the flavor of the month.

Sota4Ever
02-12-2012, 10:42 PM
This is Linsanity....

Sota4Ever
02-12-2012, 10:43 PM
Flavor of the week

ManRam
02-12-2012, 10:43 PM
i brought it up in the game thread.

appalling. proof that we live in a nation full of idiots...

how he's ahead of rondo is beyond me. how chris paul only has 7% more of the votes is crazy. how lin is ahead of "other" (Nash, Russy, DERON etc.) is a disgrace...

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 10:43 PM
That is laughable...what the hell they mean "Someone Else", who else can it be?

Idk but off the top of my head, there's at least 10 others I could quickly come up with as far as who is better, or who I'd rather have.

ManRam
02-12-2012, 10:44 PM
NBA.com has this poll up:



Lin has 48% of the votes...

wow. that's just as awful.

i mean, he's been unreal...but we need to slow down here...

i'm taking Kyrie over Lin 100 times out of 100...

Raph12
02-12-2012, 10:44 PM
You're right.

Can't believe Derek Ross made it to this poll :facepalm::D

shep33
02-12-2012, 10:44 PM
I voted for Lin.

shep33
02-12-2012, 10:45 PM
You're right.

Can't believe Derek Ross made it to this poll :facepalm::D

Raph your sigs are the best

LA_Raiders
02-12-2012, 10:45 PM
lol, April fools already???

heyman321
02-12-2012, 10:46 PM
I voted for other. (Derek Fisher)

UPRock
02-12-2012, 10:51 PM
So who's Linning?

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 10:52 PM
I voted for other. (Derek Fisher)

In the 5 games Lin has started, I'm pretty sure he has passed Fisher in FGs made this year.

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 10:54 PM
i vote for raphs sig :P

kjoke
02-12-2012, 10:56 PM
Ralph is one finger away from having been banned.

Ty Fast
02-12-2012, 10:58 PM
he plays for new york so what do u expect.

jp611
02-12-2012, 11:00 PM
You're right.

Can't believe Derek Ross made it to this poll :facepalm::D

:laugh:

Do you remember last year when that announcer called rose David Rose?

Raph12
02-12-2012, 11:05 PM
:laugh:

Do you remember last year when that announcer called rose David Rose?

That was awesome, I love stupid annoucers/broadcasters lol.


Raph your sigs are the best

I do what I can.


i vote for raphs sig :P

So did I.


Ralph is one finger away from having been banned.

I don't know who this "RaLph" guy is, but I'm sure he's too cool to get banned. :cool:

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 11:05 PM
Ralph is one finger away from having been banned.

that would be un american :D

Reptar
02-12-2012, 11:08 PM
If you think this is bad you must have missed ESPN's Tebow love

Nick O
02-12-2012, 11:13 PM
is it a weekly poll? .. cause he was the best PG in the league this week

KB-Pau-DH2012
02-12-2012, 11:13 PM
I voted for Lin.

I didn't vote because Troy Murphy wasn't one of the options. Really sad, ESPN always showing their biased towards the East coast guys like Lin and Rose. :facepalm:

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 11:15 PM
is it a weekly poll? .. cause he was the best PG in the league this week

this! it had to be that because he was def the best pg of the week

NoahH
02-12-2012, 11:17 PM
33% of NYers said Lin is the best lol

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 11:17 PM
he plays for new york so what do u expect.

Um, maybe a Deron Williams or Russell Westbrook...?
The fact that he's playing on the big stage in NY and is receiving enormous hype doesn't make the poll realistic. This is beyond absurd. Any knowledgeable NY fan would tell you that.

blastmasta26
02-12-2012, 11:18 PM
:laugh: They have options other than Lin.

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 11:19 PM
Um, maybe a Deron Williams or Russell Westbrook...?
The fact that he's playing on the big stage in NY and is receiving enormous hype doesn't make the poll realistic. This is beyond absurd. Any knowledgeable NY fan would tell you that.

yeah it is ,but it must be for the week lol at your name :p

justinnum1
02-12-2012, 11:21 PM
This is Linsanity....

It will be linsanity if melo returns and things dont go according to plan

Laces-Out
02-12-2012, 11:22 PM
you could have put Stockton up there and america would still pick Lin.... Knicks fans are like yankees fans

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 11:23 PM
is it a weekly poll? .. cause he was the best PG in the league this week

If it were a weekly poll, nor Rondo or Rose would be on the list.
Obviously he was the best pg in the league this 'past' week.

69centers
02-12-2012, 11:23 PM
ESPN has probably said Lin's name 852 times in the last 3 days.

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 11:24 PM
It will be linsanity if melo returns and things dont go according to plan

it will be linsanity if the heat choke another championship away ;)

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 11:25 PM
yeah it is ,but it must be for the week lol at your name :p

I signed up during his rookie year, gimme a break lol

But no, its not weekly.

shep33
02-12-2012, 11:25 PM
I didn't vote because Troy Murphy wasn't one of the options. Really sad, ESPN always showing their biased towards the East coast guys like Lin and Rose. :facepalm:

Haha, the Troyjan Horse is the GOAT. League doesn't recognize greatness when it's before their eyes

        
02-12-2012, 11:25 PM
That poll is a farce, this should be the REAL poll:

Darren Collison
Jarrett Jack
Toney Douglas
Eric Maynor
Hasheem Thabeet

xxplayerxx23
02-12-2012, 11:27 PM
I signed up during his rookie year, gimme a break lol

But no, its not weekly.

oh lol fine you get a pass lol and Oh then its dumb lol

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 11:28 PM
That poll is a farce, this should be the REAL poll:

Darren Collison
Jarrett Jack
Toney Douglas
Eric Maynor
Hasheem Thabeet

Fail:facepalm:

BigBongTheory
02-12-2012, 11:28 PM
Welcome to America :sigh:

+1, Chris Paul. End Game.

Jint.
02-12-2012, 11:29 PM
He'll get the most votes cause ALL HE DOES IS LIN..!

BigBongTheory
02-12-2012, 11:29 PM
Fail:facepalm:

he was being sarcastic

Chronz
02-12-2012, 11:31 PM
Why doesn't the PSD App grant you the ability to save sigs/avatars to the hd?

BigBongTheory
02-12-2012, 11:33 PM
Honestly, this is a good story and all. But it's like Tebow, in the way that people almost start hating the actual guy and wanting him to start losing because of the "out of his control" media hype that the particular person gets. This is getting ridiculous, then it turns into Knicks fans and Lin against the world. It doesn't need to be that way, let the damn dude play basketball like he's supposed to do and go on with it. Lin is playing good, leave it at that.

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 11:34 PM
he was being sarcastic

Really? I thought he was being dead on serious.

BradfordIsElite
02-12-2012, 11:37 PM
Honestly, this is a good story and all. But it's like Tebow, in the way that people almost start hating the actual guy and wanting him to start losing because of the "out of his control" media hype that the particular person gets. This is getting ridiculous, then it turns into Knicks fans and Lin against the world. It doesn't need to be that way, let the damn dude play basketball like he's supposed to do and go on with it. Lin is playing good, leave it at that.

There's no hating on him in this what so ever. Nothing can be taken away from what he's been able to pull of in just his first 5 NBA starts. It has been amazing and such a great story.

The point is, he is not a top 5 pg, nor anywhere close to that level by any means. Why is this poll on ESPN and not on the onion? that is all.

Ill21
02-12-2012, 11:48 PM
i hate the fact that ESPN is creating a 3 ring circus around Lin. He is a good PG but comaparing him to those elite guys at this point is an absolute joke. But that said if he puts these numbers for the rest of the season then maybe we can have this debate.

LAKobeBryant
02-13-2012, 12:27 PM
Lin over dwill? woooooow

nickdymez
02-13-2012, 12:31 PM
Another pointless post. thank you
Tip: Don't click into the thread if you're not interested.

lmao. How is someone supposed to know this is another Lin thread? His name is not in the tittle...

benzni
02-13-2012, 12:34 PM
He'll get the most votes cause ALL HE DOES IS LIN..!

what is lin, or what does it mean to lin?

Cal827
02-13-2012, 12:35 PM
:facepalm:

Pierzynski4Prez
02-13-2012, 12:39 PM
i vote for raphs sig :P

:clap::clap:

BeckeramosisBak
02-13-2012, 12:39 PM
Lin over dwill? woooooow
Hell yeah Lin over Williams. Lin is the best pg of this era. Lin doesn't just stumbled defenders with his crossover... he stumbles viewers at home. His shot is so silky smooth its jordanesque. Kid is Studley big dick Dudley and Lin needs his own forum to talk about all the variances of his game.

Pierzynski4Prez
02-13-2012, 12:40 PM
Imagine if Jeremy Lin and Tim Tebow made a baby.

Pierzynski4Prez
02-13-2012, 12:40 PM
Hell yeah Lin over Williams. Lin is the best pg of this era. Lin doesn't just stumbled defenders with his crossover... he stumbles viewers at home. His shot is so silky smooth its jordanesque. Kid is Studley big dick Dudley and Lin needs his own forum to talk about all the variances of his game.

Absolutely love it.

Heediot
02-13-2012, 12:41 PM
The ESPN people are joking within their headquarters. They know the public mass are sheep and short-sighted so they do this to amuse themselves.

lvlheaded
02-13-2012, 12:41 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. How can you even put Derrick Rose in the same stratosphere as Jeremy Lin?

BeckeramosisBak
02-13-2012, 12:47 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. How can you even put Derrick Rose in the same stratosphere as Jeremy Lin?

Thank you. I mean Rose can't even get his lazy *** off the bench.

nycericanguy
02-13-2012, 12:50 PM
ESPN is a sports ENTERTAINMENT network, it is their job to relate sports to as many people as possible. People have been hearing about Jeremy Lin alot, many who perhaps don't really follow the NBA regularly. They try to appeal to the masses, not so much to the die hard knowledgeable fans.

Obviously no one thinks LIN should be considered with the games great PG's yet, but it gets ESPN publicity, as you can see from this 5 page thread, and especially among chinese viewers.

John Walls Era
02-13-2012, 12:58 PM
Its at 14% now

Beltrans Mole
02-13-2012, 01:14 PM
The real question is who would you rather have to start a franchise...Lin or Lebron?

DaBUU
02-13-2012, 01:28 PM
NBA & ESPN are going to push Lin hard to get the Chinese market back. He was born and raised here tho, correct?

sep11ie
02-13-2012, 01:38 PM
Well, this is proof that New Yorkers can vote.

nycsports2
02-13-2012, 01:39 PM
NBA & ESPN are going to push Lin hard to get the Chinese market back. He was born and raised here tho, correct?

yes hes american and the chinese arent going to buy into lin becasue he is taiwanese... the asian americans however love them some lin!

Kuya_Clive
02-13-2012, 01:40 PM
They have a poll up asking who's the NBA's best point guard in the league..

-Jeremy Lin
-Chris Paul
-Rajon Rondo
-Derrick Rose
-Someone else

No i'm not kidding. Go look yourself LMFAO.
Obviously I don't have to highlight the player that makes this thread worthy, I just figured ayye, that was a real good laugh, why not share with everyone.



Derrick Rose-47%
Chris Paul-25%
Jeremy Lin-15%
Rajon Rondo-8%
Other-6%


Surprised that the disparity between Rose and Paul is so large, I thought it would have been closer. Lin almost doubling Rondo...wow. If you look at the mapping for each state. Lin actually beat Paul, Lin's 30% to Paul's 23% for New York. A lot of hype surrounding this kid, hopefully the team can gel with Melo though. I must say, some of the polls are pretty funny.

jp611
02-13-2012, 01:43 PM
I can't believe people even watch espn for news anymore, if there's a bulls or cubs game on there is about the only time you'll catch me watching that garbage network and I usually get annoyed where I have to mute the tv and listen to it on the radio... I refuse to talk sports with any of my friends who use espn as their main news outlet because it's not news, it's entertainment... They'd rather tell us about Tom bradys mansion, or Carmelo and lalas wedding, ***** a joke

celtNYpatsHeels
02-13-2012, 01:45 PM
Who is the best QB in the NFL?

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Tim Tebow
Someone Else

CudiOnMyiPod
02-13-2012, 01:58 PM
Lin has all star potential but best PG...... It's been 6 games...

Punk
02-13-2012, 02:06 PM
People don't seem to realize it's not about the points, It's his skill set. But ESPN is hyping him to death.

They did the same with LeBron, Griffin, Rose, etc.

effen5
02-13-2012, 02:19 PM
People don't seem to realize it's not about the points, It's his skill set. But ESPN is hyping him to death.

They did the same with LeBron, Griffin, Rose, etc.

Rose never got any hype...even if he did win the MVP last year...Griffin last year got more hype then Rose....

ESPN is ridiculous not to mention garbage.

jp611
02-13-2012, 02:30 PM
People don't seem to realize it's not about the points, It's his skill set. But ESPN is hyping him to death.

They did the same with LeBron, Griffin, Rose, etc.

Rose never got any hype...even if he did win the MVP last year...Griffin last year got more hype then Rose....

ESPN is ridiculous not to mention garbage.

Hell, it took Rose 3 years to get any respect for how good he is, and there's still doubters... It took Lin 3 games and he's a superstar, it's a joke

BSardogan
02-13-2012, 02:36 PM
To answer the OP's question: Yes. I honestly believe that they're just fooling around, making fun of the kid. I mean honestly...

OK, I admit the guy has a weird, funny-Chinse-guy sort of swagger. But realistically, there is no way in hell any non-mentally challenged person could possibly even consider Lin a Rajon Rondo, DRose or Chris Paul-mold point guard, let alone him even beating anyone on that list.

The stupid thing of this all is, I'm not sure if the people voting on this kind of stuff actually realize this. If those people ACTUALLY buy all that crap that's been on ESPN lately, they should really, Really get themselves checked sometimes.

I mean, no offense, but Lin has been the biggest hype since you guys landed on the moon. I usually laugh about this stuff, but it's the people that are dead serious about this Jeremy friggin Lin being some sort of new NBA superstar that I worry about.

Hustla23
02-13-2012, 02:39 PM
For once ESPN is right.

It's the fans that are wrong. Lin behind CP3 and Rose? Now that's a joke.

:facepalm:

*Silver&Black*
02-13-2012, 02:43 PM
ESPN is trash. They are in the back pocket of some players and hype others for ratings. If you ever follow a sport fully through the eyes of ESPN, I feel sorry for you.

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 02:51 PM
I'm surprised Lin isn't higher on the list. :shrug:

BSardogan
02-13-2012, 02:56 PM
This. ^

Oh and where the $%^& is Iman Shumpert? :speechless: NYK should feel robbed. I wouldn't let ESPN come away with this nonsense.

Kobe4Life
02-13-2012, 02:57 PM
Not suprising. ESPN is the WORSE. They are so damn fortunate not to have any competition on TV. Unless of course you wait for you local news station to talk about sports. lol am I really already seeing Lin signatures lol wait for melo to come back.

jp611
02-13-2012, 03:02 PM
I hope NBC sports picks up, it's nice to see national sports news, but I refuse to watch espn, so I just watch csn Chicago and get my other news from twitter, here, etc

awesomeovie8
02-13-2012, 03:03 PM
I wish Jrue Holiday would get more respect. 14/5 with 2.3 turnovers and running the 6ers. IM not syaing he is as good as Rose or the other established but as far as the young guys go he should be mentioned

BSardogan
02-13-2012, 03:03 PM
Not suprising. ESPN is the WORSE. They are so damn fortunate not to have any competition on TV. Unless of course you wait for you local news station to talk about sports. lol am I really already seeing Lin signatures lol wait for melo to come back.

I'd take this one if I could, but I haven't reached the 100-posts mark yet.

http://tinyurl.com/6r6jm2a

Linsanity for the win.

*Silver&Black*
02-13-2012, 03:08 PM
If Lin was on the Grizz, Bucks, Bobcats, etc, ESPN wouldn't give a crap.

Big Markets, ESPN, Money, Ratings, bandwagon fans all go together.

DaBUU
02-13-2012, 03:11 PM
I wish Jrue Holiday would get more respect. 14/5 with 2.3 turnovers and running the 6ers. IM not syaing he is as good as Rose or the other established but as far as the young guys go he should be mentioned

yeah and he's been doing it ALL season. Jrue Holiday is being slept on big time.

*Silver&Black*
02-13-2012, 03:12 PM
If Jrue Holiday was on the Knicks ESPN would crown him the next Jordan. If Lin was on the Sixers, it would still be "Lin who? And who is the Sixers?"

RLundi
02-13-2012, 03:15 PM
Unreal lol.

When is the novelty gonna wear off already?!

BSardogan
02-13-2012, 03:16 PM
If Lin was on the Grizz, Bucks, Bobcats, etc, ESPN wouldn't give a crap.

Big Markets, ESPN, Money, Ratings, bandwagon fans all go together.

I thought that, too. But people are talking about this Lin-kid as if he may be the next Iman Shumpert. If that's true.. wow..


*Subtle way of proving your point that big-market players getting hyped way too easily* :clap:

RLundi
02-13-2012, 03:17 PM
i'd take this one if i could, but i haven't reached the 100-posts mark yet.

http://tinyurl.com/6r6jm2a

linsanity for the win.

Gold.

miller74
02-13-2012, 03:18 PM
NBA.com has this poll up:



Lin has 48% of the votes...


I think size of each fans base has more to do with the results than basketball. Give my Kyrie

*Silver&Black*
02-13-2012, 03:23 PM
I think size of each fans base has more to do with the results than basketball. Give my Kyrie

I'll still even take Holiday, Teague, and Conley before Lin. If any of those 3 had a chance to be the "man" for 5 games while the "stars" are out, you don't think they could put up some numbers.

jp611
02-13-2012, 03:27 PM
Rose
Paul
Williams
Rondo
Westbrook
Nash
Lowry
Holiday
Conley
Teague

All better than Lin... Just going off the top of my head, add more to the list for me if you want

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 03:33 PM
I thought that, too. But people are talking about this Lin-kid as if he may be the next Iman Shumpert. If that's true.. wow..


*Subtle way of proving your point that big-market players getting hyped way too easily* :clap:

Couldn't have been more subtle! Kudos! :clap:

*Silver&Black*
02-13-2012, 03:35 PM
Rose
Paul
Williams
Rondo
Westbrook
Nash
Lowry
Holiday
Conley
Teague

All better than Lin... Just going off the top of my head, add more to the list for me if you want

Those and Tony Parker. Give me a good coach and I'll take John Wall too.

naps
02-13-2012, 03:37 PM
What's more stunning and funny at the same time is that the best guard on the planet might not even be a starter in next year's all-star game.

*Silver&Black*
02-13-2012, 03:38 PM
What's more stunning and funny at the same time is that the best guard on the planet might not even be a starter in next year's all-star game.

haha, Rose will have to be benched.

jp611
02-13-2012, 03:38 PM
What's more stunning and funny at the same time is that the best guard on the planet might not even be a starter in next year's all-star game.

Rose will be in it :p

naps
02-13-2012, 03:43 PM
People don't seem to realize it's not about the points, It's his skill set. But ESPN is hyping him to death.

They did the same with LeBron, Griffin, Rose, etc.

The difference is they didn't do it just after 5/6 games. All of those guys proved it before ESPN started hyping them.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 03:43 PM
Funny watching the fans of the "Favorite" teams freaking so much about this. Who cares what ESPN thinks? Problem with so many on here is that if ESPN is not talking about Kobe, LeBron, Durrant or Drose, you all go into convulsions. Let someone else have the spotlight for a while, what is the big deal?
For the Lakers fans...It's OK, Kobe is still great. With the game on the line, no one would be picked ahead of Kobe to win a game with a big shot. It's not like we are all not Kobe'd out. The guy gets press all year long, just relax.
Bulls fans- I would be worried if I were you because the knicks just got a PG. And a PG with his skills in this system can help his star studded team beat your team. I have always thought the Bulls were built for the regular season, and last years playoffs pretty much showed that. But Lin doesnt have to score 20 PPG for the Knicks to beat you, just move the ball and cause havoc. Play defense on Rose and let the rest of the Knicks do their thing.
Heat fans- I picked you to win it all this year, and still do. If Lebron, Wade and Bosh cant win this year, you are the biggest disappointment in sports, not just the NBA. LeBron like Kobe gets in trouble for just thinking something. Must be nice to have noone talking about him for a second.
Thunder fans- You have such a great young team, none of this even concerns you.

Sit back everyone, and enjoy the Jeremy lin sideshow. But be afraid, because quietly the Knicks just got a HUGE piece moving forward that most of us thought would come Next year via Nash. lins driving, pasing, scoring mentality will make the NYK very tough the remainder of the year and the playoff matchups will be sick.

Remember, he has been doing this with jared Jefferies, Billy Walker, Landry Fields in the lineup. He has made tyson Chandler an offensive juggernaut. Question is...Who are you going to double team now? Amare is about to score 25 PPG every nite just by accident.

jp611
02-13-2012, 03:45 PM
The bulls are a regular season team :laugh:

Yeah cuz making it to the ECF in your first year together with your coach is a regular season team... GTFO here with that garbage

Ebbs
02-13-2012, 03:45 PM
lol damn

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 03:45 PM
The difference is they didn't do it just after 5/6 games. All of those guys proved it before ESPN started hyping them.

The other difference is that NONE of those players played their first 5 games the way Jeremy Lin has.

naps
02-13-2012, 03:46 PM
haha, Rose will have to be benched.

Nah. Both Rose and Lin are going to be voted in :facepalm: and Wade will be on the bench :facepalm:

jp611
02-13-2012, 03:47 PM
Lin won't be voted in, he'll be forgotten about by then, espn will have a new flavor of the month by then

naps
02-13-2012, 03:48 PM
The other difference is that NONE of those players played their first 5 games the way Jeremy Lin has.

Are you justifying Lin's over-hyping?

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 03:49 PM
Are you justifying Lin's over-hyping?

Yes.

SportsAndrew25
02-13-2012, 03:52 PM
Jeremy Lin is elite.

/thread.

*Silver&Black*
02-13-2012, 03:53 PM
Too bad Lin wasn't on ESPN before the All-star team was announced. Would of been funny to see Rose or Wade benched.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 03:54 PM
Rose
Paul
Williams
Rondo
Westbrook
Nash
Lowry
Holiday
Conley
Teague

All better than Lin... Just going off the top of my head, add more to the list for me if you want

Depends on what scale you are going by.
I am in no way saying Jeremy lin is better than CP3, Rose, Rondo, or Nash. That would be silly to even think that. I am also not saying that Lin after 4 starts is a top 5 PG. But if you look at his small sample of work, and see his skill set, he is exactly what the Knicks needed all along. If I had a choice, CP3, Rose, Nash, Rondo would probably be picked for the Knicks first, but the others? Nope. Not what we need. Knicks need a headsy playmaker who can command a double team (Ask the Lakers) and can still have the court vision and Basketball IQ to hurt you in so many other ways.
Talent is only as important as the need you have to fill. Is John Wall super fast? Yes. Would I take John Wall over Jeremy Lin right now? No. Would I take Lowrey, Conley, Holiday or Teague over Lin right now to fit the Knicks needs? No.
Amare Stouamire is an NBA allstar talent. He is right at the top of the players in this league at his position. He is unstoppable with the ball in his hands IN THE RIGHT POSITION on the floor. Jeremy Lin can get it to him right where he wants the ball.
Melo is not a PG, but has been playing PG all year because Toney Douglas forgot how to play NBA basketball and was NEVER a PG! Now Melo can play off the ball and slow down his aggressive "To the rim" play on every posesion. Tyson Chandler is scoring like D12 right now, Landry Fields is back to the player that he was last year. Even Jared Jefferies is scoring all because of the playmaking abilities of Lin.
Just wait until the weapons he passes to can actually finish.
Gio watch the full games these last 8 days. There were 8 assists a night that were never awarded because layups and 10 foot bank shots were missed by bench players who had to play because the stars were out. That is about to change.

celtNYpatsHeels
02-13-2012, 03:55 PM
Rose
Paul
Williams
Rondo
Westbrook
Nash
Lowry
Holiday
Conley
Teague

All better than Lin... Just going off the top of my head, add more to the list for me if you want

parker, collison, lawson, curry

and you could argue wall, irving, jennings, tyreke

Beltrans Mole
02-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Lin won't be voted in, he'll be forgotten about by then, espn will have a new flavor of the month by then


Yeah I mean the guy only scored 109 points in his first four NBA starts...it's only an NBA post-merger record. And he had all-stars like Jared Jeffries and Bil Walker in the mix, so that's an unfair advantage.

jp611
02-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Everyone you mentioned is better, even John wall, and I think wall is overrated big time

jp611
02-13-2012, 03:58 PM
Lin won't be voted in, he'll be forgotten about by then, espn will have a new flavor of the month by then


Yeah I mean the guy only scored 109 points in his first four NBA starts...it's only an NBA post-merger record. And he had all-stars like Jared Jeffries and Bil Walker in the mix, so that's an unfair advantage.

Exactly, someone had to score with those other scrubs, Lin did, and he scored 20 on 25 shots last game, he was terrible, and that will happen more often now that teams will plan for him

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:01 PM
Someone wanna explain to me how it took Rose 3 years to get respect for being a great pg and still has idiotic doubters, but Lin gets that respect in 4 games?

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:02 PM
The bulls are a regular season team :laugh:

Yeah cuz making it to the ECF in your first year together with your coach is a regular season team... GTFO here with that garbage

OK, so with what you are saying, The New York Jets are a juggernaut right? Two trips to the AFC championhip game.
The Bulls won the number one seed. If not for that, they probably dont get to the ECF last year. Who did they beat? Boston and the Heat were the two toughest teams and they played each other. The other teams including the Knicks were awful last year. Dont tell me how TOUGH the Hawks were. The east had three tough teams last year, Chicago, Boston and Miami. The first time Chicago went up against a tough team, they looked so overmatched it wasnt funny. What difference did the Bulls make in the offseason to change that? Rihard hamilton? really?
The Heat just went out, drafted Noris Cole, and brough in Shane battier. That, with the health of Haslem.....Bulls might get swept this year if they get that far.
Philly is better, Indy is better, Boston is healthier (So far) and the Knicks are better. (Chandler, Lin, Davis, Novak) and the knicks have a shot to add JR smith.
Bulls are indeed a regular season team.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:03 PM
Someone wanna explain to me how it took Rose 3 years to get respect for being a great pg and still has idiotic doubters, but Lin gets that respect in 4 games?

Actually 5 games, and I have always respected Rose. he is a monster player

BeckeramosisBak
02-13-2012, 04:04 PM
Lin won't be voted in, he'll be forgotten about by then, espn will have a new flavor of the month by then


Yeah I mean the guy only scored 109 points in his first four NBA starts...it's only an NBA post-merger record. And he had all-stars like Jared Jeffries and Bil Walker in the mix, so that's an unfair advantage.

Exactly, someone had to score with those other scrubs, Lin did, and he scored 20 on 25 shots last game, he was terrible, and that will happen more often now that teams will plan for him

Last game against Minnesota he was not terrible. In fact IMO it was even better than the Laker game. It was the second game of back to backs for a guy who was absolutely exhausted. He's NEVER played this many minutes before. Minnesota is young and kept banging him around... and Lin kept bringing it. With STOUT back now.. Lin will only get better.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:07 PM
Exactly, someone had to score with those other scrubs, Lin did, and he scored 20 on 25 shots last game, he was terrible, and that will happen more often now that teams will plan for him

You surely didnt watch the game. Yes, he did shoot the ball to much, but he had too. Who else was going to score from that team? Shumpert was fouled out and he dominated the 4th quarter. Lin was terrible, awful, and pathetic.

BTW Lin had 20 points, 8 Assists, 6 Rebounds and 3 steals that night, and even though he was clearly exhausted at the end, found a way to drive to the hole, get fouled and hit the game winning FT. Just in case you missed it, the Knicks won that game on the road even though they were down 7 with 3 minutes left. Lin willed his team to victory.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:07 PM
Wait the Bulls looked overmatched big time?!?!? They blew the Heat out in game 1 and then the next 4 games could have gone either way... Fatigue was a big factor and rose just ran out of gas, obviously you let espn make your judgement for you there because they were in every single game... People are clueless

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:08 PM
Last game against Minnesota he was not terrible. In fact IMO it was even better than the Laker game. It was the second game of back to backs for a guy who was absolutely exhausted. He's NEVER played this many minutes before. Minnesota is young and kept banging him around... and Lin kept bringing it. With STOUT back now.. Lin will only get better.

You speak with reason. Be careful that is not allowed here.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:08 PM
And comparing football to basketball is plain moronic, they play 1 game in football where anything can happen, 7 game series' the best team usually wins, not fluky like football

Beltrans Mole
02-13-2012, 04:09 PM
Exactly, someone had to score with those other scrubs, Lin did, and he scored 20 on 25 shots last game, he was terrible, and that will happen more often now that teams will plan for him

You're hate is completely unjustifiable. Just because he's on the Knicks and he's getting so much media love, you, just like every other Chicago fan, is getting pissy. This is a great story and there are no reasons to hate on a kid who has taken advantage of an opportunity. No one is saying he is better than Rose. So he had one bad shooting game and you're jumping down his throat? The kid has barely adjusted to the minutes he's now getting. He's not going to be an all-star, but he's going to help the Knicks win. That's really all that matters.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:11 PM
Wait the Bulls looked overmatched big time?!?!? They blew the Heat out in game 1 and then the next 4 games could have gone either way... Fatigue was a big factor and rose just ran out of gas, obviously you let espn make your judgement for you there because they were in every single game... People are clueless

No, ESPN has nothing to do with my opinion, never has never will. I watched every minute of that series, and one "Blowout" win means nothing when you are swept the rest of the way. the Bulls were not the better team and have done nothing to change that. Thibs is a great regular season coach. But the playoffs is where you earn the big bucks and they will go home early again this year. Nothing has changed. When you PG is the main offensive threat, you will win in the regular season but fail in the post season against great teams.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:11 PM
Stop with the "hate" garbage... It's ****ing annoying... I love Lin, I've stated that many times, good story, but I'm not gonna rush to judgement cuz of 5 games, I don't care if it's the Knicks, wizards, raptors, celtics... Give me more than a 5 game sample size... I'm getting ****ing tired of the idiotic "hate" accusations

funkybudda
02-13-2012, 04:12 PM
Someone wanna explain to me how it took Rose 3 years to get respect for being a great pg and still has idiotic doubters, but Lin gets that respect in 4 games?

You are the answer to your own question, you're a living proof that Lin, after 5 game winning streaks without 2 of the top Knicks players still has idiotic doubters and not get the respect.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:13 PM
Wait the Bulls looked overmatched big time?!?!? They blew the Heat out in game 1 and then the next 4 games could have gone either way... Fatigue was a big factor and rose just ran out of gas, obviously you let espn make your judgement for you there because they were in every single game... People are clueless

No, ESPN has nothing to do with my opinion, never has never will. I watched every minute of that series, and one "Blowout" win means nothing when you are swept the rest of the way. the Bulls were not the better team and have done nothing to change that. Thibs is a great regular season coach. But the playoffs is where you earn the big bucks and they will go home early again this year. Nothing has changed. When you PG is the main offensive threat, you will win in the regular season but fail in the post season against great teams.

They upgraded the sg position, the young team is one year older, the injuries this year will be helpful in the long run if they can get healthy, because fatigue was the main reason we lost those games, I agree the heat were a better team last year, but I'm not gonna automatically say the bulls won't win because of last year, that's just stupid

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:14 PM
Someone wanna explain to me how it took Rose 3 years to get respect for being a great pg and still has idiotic doubters, but Lin gets that respect in 4 games?

You are the answer to your own question, you're a living proof that Lin, after 5 game winning streaks without 2 of the top Knicks players still has idiotic doubters and not get the respect.

That's just dumb, nice try though

Missing56&33
02-13-2012, 04:15 PM
Lin is my pick for the best PG in the NBA. Homer pick......last week, it was Chris Paul ;)

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:15 PM
You're hate is completely unjustifiable. Just because he's on the Knicks and he's getting so much media love, you, just like every other Chicago fan, is getting pissy. This is a great story and there are no reasons to hate on a kid who has taken advantage of an opportunity. No one is saying he is better than Rose. So he had one bad shooting game and you're jumping down his throat? The kid has barely adjusted to the minutes he's now getting. He's not going to be an all-star, but he's going to help the Knicks win. That's really all that matters.

It's not hate, its fear. You see Bulls fans think that only Miami blocks there way to a Finals date. The very idea that Amare, Melo, and Chandler now have a legit PG scares the crap out of them. they want to believe that jeremy Lin is a flash in the pan. They dont watch the games or evaluate anything other than ridiculous claims with no merit.
It's like a guy I was talking to the other day...He told me that the Knicks defense was the worst in the NBA. You see his opinion is based on what happened last year, he has no idea the knicks defense is actually pretty darn good.

celtNYpatsHeels
02-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Wait the Bulls looked overmatched big time?!?!? They blew the Heat out in game 1 and then the next 4 games could have gone either way... Fatigue was a big factor and rose just ran out of gas, obviously you let espn make your judgement for you there because they were in every single game... People are clueless

to be fair, the same could have been said about the bulls and pacers 1st round series. game 5 wasnt all that close, but the first four games could have easily gone to the pacers. but they didnt, and the bulls ended up winning the series 4-1.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Bulls aren't scared of the Knicks I'll tell you that right now, a team that is under .500 still is not scaring the best team in the league... Keep trying though... Sorry my differing opinion is "hate" and "fear"

He's played good so far, let's see a larger sample size than 5 games... That's all I'm saying... Good ****ing god you guys are pathetic

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:19 PM
Wait the Bulls looked overmatched big time?!?!? They blew the Heat out in game 1 and then the next 4 games could have gone either way... Fatigue was a big factor and rose just ran out of gas, obviously you let espn make your judgement for you there because they were in every single game... People are clueless

to be fair, the same could have been said about the bulls and pacers 1st round series. game 5 wasnt all that close, but the first four games could have easily gone to the pacers. but they didnt, and the bulls ended up winning the series 4-1.

I agree with you, it works both ways, the pacers were much better than their 8th seed last year, they had talent but their coach was a slouch... Vogel is light years ahead of o brien

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:20 PM
And comparing football to basketball is plain moronic, they play 1 game in football where anything can happen, 7 game series' the best team usually wins, not fluky like football

So the san Francisco Giants and the St Louis Cardinals are both better than the Stacked Texas rangers?
Mark Sanchez Beat Peyton manning and the Patriots last year. Were those both "Flukes"?
and he did it the year before as a ROOKIE. So is Mark Sanchez an ELITE QB?

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:22 PM
Baseball is another sport where teams get hot at the right time and win... It's historically happened, it hasn't in basketball, there may be one or
2 upsets but hardly ever much more than that, another moronic statement on your part

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:25 PM
Bulls aren't scared of the Knicks I'll tell you that right now, a team that is under .500 still is not scaring the best team in the league... Keep trying though... Sorry my differing opinion is "hate" and "fear"

He's played good so far, let's see a larger sample size than 5 games... That's all I'm saying... Good ****ing god you guys are pathetic

You sound scared. Seriously you sound pretty concerned right now.
Why would anyone worry about a team that is under .500? Yet you seem consumed by us.
Knick fans know exactly where are team stands. we also know that all we have been missing all year is a legit PG. We found one. Your worst fears are being realized. No one including Miami wants to see New York in the playoffs. We know that as well.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:27 PM
And that's where you're wrong, I pay attention to all NBA teams and the only team that really concerns me in a 7 game series is the heat... Keep dreaming that the knicks are a formidable team, there's a reason they started 8-15... It's cuz they suck

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:28 PM
I agree with you, it works both ways, the pacers were much better than their 8th seed last year, they had talent but their coach was a slouch... Vogel is light years ahead of o brien

Atually the pacers were awful last season. They barely made the playoffs and the Bulls had a tough time with them. The Hawks on the other hand were probably the most over rated team in the Eastern Conference. Chicago had a cakewalk to the conference finals then got demolished against the first real team they faced.

northsider
02-13-2012, 04:28 PM
You're hate is completely unjustifiable. Just because he's on the Knicks and he's getting so much media love, you, just like every other Chicago fan, is getting pissy. This is a great story and there are no reasons to hate on a kid who has taken advantage of an opportunity. No one is saying he is better than Rose. So he had one bad shooting game and you're jumping down his throat? The kid has barely adjusted to the minutes he's now getting. He's not going to be an all-star, but he's going to help the Knicks win. That's really all that matters.

I'm a Chicago fan. Have continually praised Lin and was mentioning him before most Knicks fans even jumped on the wagon. Stop being ignorant. Not all of us care.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:29 PM
Then what explains the pacers turnaround since Vogel became coach? They certainly had the talent as that is showing now, and now they're a top 5 team in the east, but yeah they were terrible.. Keep reaching, you sound like a child

northsider
02-13-2012, 04:31 PM
Atually the pacers were awful last season. They barely made the playoffs and the Bulls had a tough time with them. The Hawks on the other hand were probably the most over rated team in the Eastern Conference. Chicago had a cakewalk to the conference finals then got demolished against the first real team they faced.

You clearly aren't a good judge of team if you thought that Pacers team down the stretch of the season was terrible. They had a horrid coach that is for sure but, in those playoffs that team was not a slouch. That was allot like the amazing Bulls Celtics series a few years back. We were an 8 seed and took the 1 seed to a game 7. Its the playoffs and a different breed of basketball.

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:32 PM
Your name fits you well :laugh:

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:32 PM
Baseball is another sport where teams get hot at the right time and win... It's historically happened, it hasn't in basketball, there may be one or
2 upsets but hardly ever much more than that, another moronic statement on your part

Really? so last years Western Conference playoffs never happened? Lakers got ousted early and were picked to go to the finals, Dallas was a heavy underdog who surprised the Heat, and that was just LAST year. Phoenix, the Jazz, have both won series in recent years that they were heavy underdogs. 1999 Knicks went from 8th seed to NBA finals. Would you like a list of all the underdog teams that have won in the NBA playoffs?
So unlike baseball, you are saying a team in the NBA cant get hot at the right time? If the Bulls lose Rose, Noah, and Bozer for the next 2 months, slip into the 8th seed and get healthy, are you telling me they cant get to the ECF?

jp611
02-13-2012, 04:34 PM
I see how you got your name :laugh:

gaughan333
02-13-2012, 04:34 PM
Knicks suck. When melo/amare come back there wont be 24 shots for linn to take. Hes a decent back up point guard but like all knicks players, their fans and the media jump all over his nuts.

gcoll
02-13-2012, 04:38 PM
It's ESPN. That's just how they are.

BK-TY
02-13-2012, 04:39 PM
It IS getting kind of crazy. I was at the gym today and ESPN did a segment about the couch that Lin sleeps on in his brother's apartment.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:42 PM
And that's where you're wrong, I pay attention to all NBA teams and the only team that really concerns me in a 7 game series is the heat... Keep dreaming that the knicks are a formidable team, there's a reason they started 8-15... It's cuz they suck

I agree 100% they did suck. As a matter of fact i actually disagree a bit, they not only sucked, they were one of the worst teams in the NBA. at 8-15 I almost didnt want to watch anymore. (But I did).
Me and every other knowlegable Knicks fan was screaming the same thing.
NO BALL MOVEMENT. Toney freaking Douglas is a backup 2 guard starting at the point. Iman shumpert is a rookie 2 guard backing up at the point. Mike Bibby has a job in the NBA as a living breathing PG. (Maybe 5 years ago)
We were all holding out for Baron Davis to get healthy. Then he had a setback, (Like DRose has right now) and we thought it was just going to get worse. Then Amare has a family tragedy. Gone for 4 games. Melo gets hurt, Gone for 2 weeks. We were done, put a fork in the knicks.
wait a second, jeremy lin, scores 25 points and directs the team to a win. Yes it was the Lowly Nets, but wow did he look good.
Wait a second, Utah 13-9 in the house, backup scrubs playing for NY, Lin goes 28 points another decisive win. Then comes john wall, another clinic for Lin, 23 and 10, his forst double double, but wait, the lakers are here, this all ends. OOPS sorry kobe, without our stars, you, Bynum, Gasol, Fisher, Artest get beat by this crafty guard who has 38 points. Who is next? Minny, OK one bad game by LIN, 20 pts, 8 assists, 6 boards, 3 steals. Oh, and 5 straight wins.
think knicks fans are excited, you bet we are, and now teams are going to have to play against us with a legit PG. Bring it on.

haggis
02-13-2012, 04:44 PM
NO BALL MOVEMENT.

What do you think will happen when Melo comes back?

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:45 PM
Then what explains the pacers turnaround since Vogel became coach? They certainly had the talent as that is showing now, and now they're a top 5 team in the east, but yeah they were terrible.. Keep reaching, you sound like a child

They were terrible LAST year. If I am not mistaken, the playoffs havent started yet this year have they?
Alot changes in a year. You add players, get id of players, change coaches....Life in the NBA. Just not last years team.
you sure are throwing out alot of insults and personal attacks, why are you so wound up?

Ezio
02-13-2012, 04:46 PM
Melo is John Lucas just a foot taller.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:50 PM
What do you think will happen when Melo comes back?

I really dont know, do you? If there is a crystal ball out there that can show us, I would love to see. Fact is niether you nor I know what will happen. I have a hard time belieing that one of the best players in the NBA has not been watching his team the last week and has come to an understanding that he has to alter his game a bit to make this work.
I am sure that melo who is attending these games sees exactly what has been happening. I am sure he and Lin are discussing it nightly. I am confident that an allstar player who wants to win more than anything else understands that dominating the ball is not condusive to winning. Now before Lin, melo had no choice. Our PG play was really that bad. Horrible horrible movement because TD could not penetrate the paint, But lin is so adeptat it that its a game changer.
I believe Melo will be more than fine.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 04:54 PM
You clearly aren't a good judge of team if you thought that Pacers team down the stretch of the season was terrible. They had a horrid coach that is for sure but, in those playoffs that team was not a slouch. That was allot like the amazing Bulls Celtics series a few years back. We were an 8 seed and took the 1 seed to a game 7. Its the playoffs and a different breed of basketball.

Maybe the Bulls were just not as tough an opponent as you believe they were.

Beltrans Mole
02-13-2012, 04:58 PM
The NBA forum: where dissing the Bulls is completely ignorant and biased happens.

jp611
02-13-2012, 05:00 PM
You clearly aren't a good judge of team if you thought that Pacers team down the stretch of the season was terrible. They had a horrid coach that is for sure but, in those playoffs that team was not a slouch. That was allot like the amazing Bulls Celtics series a few years back. We were an 8 seed and took the 1 seed to a game 7. Its the playoffs and a different breed of basketball.

Maybe the Bulls were just not as tough an opponent as you believe they were.

Yeah because going to the ecf and then starting the season with the best record in the league almost halfway through, all while playing 2/3 of your games on the road, and having 7 players have missed games, 2 of them being your all stars, who have both missed 7 games each is not a very good opponent, you're right

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:01 PM
Regular season win totls are great. They dont always tell you who the better team is in the playoffs. Matchups decide who is better. The fact of the matter here is that the Knicks were horrid because they had nothing at the one. The QB of an NBA team is the one. Rose is the Bulls QB. You put Deng and Noah on the Raptors and they are average players at best. Rose makes them stars like Jordan did to Toni, wennington, and paxson. They were so much better because Jordan was the show.
Melo and amare are stars. Chandler is a defensive star. Without a floor general, the Knicks were flapping in the wind like a boat without a rudder. There is now direction. And when baron davis gets back, even the bench will have direction. Suddenly a team headed nowhere has a course.

northsider
02-13-2012, 05:02 PM
Maybe the Bulls were just not as tough an opponent as you believe they were.

Yes the team that won 60 games last year, had the best defense, and the MVP was not a tough team. My money is that not only are you a bad judge of team performance but, you are severely underrating a team with nothing to lose in the playoffs. Funny how after last year that exact same team is now a top 5 team in the Eastern conf. unless we are really contributing that to the two added inches.

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 05:02 PM
Its like the same 4 knuckleheads in here dissing on Lin and the Knicks. You're all praying this doesn't work out so the Knicks can go back to their old ways and you can continue to bash us. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you haven't seen nothin' yet. Amar'e gets back tomorrow, 'Melo a week from now. Knicks might not lose another game in the month of February.

Get used to it.

northsider
02-13-2012, 05:04 PM
The NBA forum: where dissing the Bulls is completely ignorant and biased happens.

The NBA forum: Where spewing non sense is tolerated cause people are too ignorant to call it out.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:07 PM
Yeah because going to the ecf and then starting the season with the best record in the league almost halfway through, all while playing 2/3 of your games on the road, and having 7 players have missed games, 2 of them being your all stars, who have both missed 7 games each is not a very good opponent, you're right

First off congrats on writing a post without attacking someone you disagree with.
Now that was one complete sentence that I had to read 3 times, but I think I get your gist.
You are saying the Bulls are a superior oponent because they lost the ECF last year. You state that they are a superior opponent because they played alot of road games this year. You state that they are a superior opponent because they have been injured, and yet still have the best record in the East.
Am I right?
That sounds alot like last season. I clearly stated numerous times that they are built for the regular season. I think we are saying the same thing.

Beltrans Mole
02-13-2012, 05:08 PM
The NBA forum: Where spewing non sense is tolerated cause people are too ignorant to call it out.

God you're intelligent.

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 05:09 PM
IanBegley Ian Begley
Carmelo Anthony could return this week, laughs at the idea that he can't coexist with Jeremy Lin. Details here: es.pn/zdeNeY #Knicks
31 minutes ago


IanBegley Ian Begley
Melo on Lin: 'I know there’s questions about 'Can I fit in?' and stuff like that, but this is like a dream come true to me.' #LinSanity
1 hour ago



IanBegley Ian Begley
Carmelo says he finds talk about him fitting with Lin 'funny' Says, 'Jeremy will have the ball in his hands.' #LinSanity #Knicks
2 hours ago

Time for the critics to start getting scared, not that they weren't already.

haggis
02-13-2012, 05:09 PM
I really dont know, do you?

No, but I usually reserve judgment on a player for more than 5 games.



I have a hard time belieing that one of the best players in the NBA has not been watching his team the last week and has come to an understanding that he has to alter his game a bit to make this work.

So Melo (in your words, one of the best in game) has to alter his game around a guy that has started 5 NBA games. Ok.


I am sure that melo who is attending these games sees exactly what has been happening. I am sure he and Lin are discussing it nightly.

You seem pretty sure about that.


I am confident that an allstar player who wants to win more than anything else understands that dominating the ball is not condusive to winning.

lol

Have you seen Melo play?

northsider
02-13-2012, 05:11 PM
God you're intelligent.

Cause that has anything to do with what I posted. Thanks for the compliment however.

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 05:11 PM
Have you seen Melo play?

Have you ever seen Paul Pierce play, post-2007?

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:12 PM
Yes the team that won 60 games last year, had the best defense, and the MVP was not a tough team. My money is that not only are you a bad judge of team performance but, you are severely underrating a team with nothing to lose in the playoffs. Funny how after last year that exact same team is now a top 5 team in the Eastern conf. unless we are really contributing that to the two added inches.

I thought they had a new coach? How could they be the exact same team if they have a new coach. I thought the old coach was awful and yet they almost beat you several times in the playoffs. You are just proving my point. Maybe the Bulls albiet their 60 wins were just not as solid as you thought they were heading into the playoffs last year. Regular season wins are meaningless for any purpose other than determining playoff seeding. How else can you justify the pounding they took against a better Heat team that did not win 60 games last year? So what you are saying, is that the Heat didn't win as many games but were the better team in the playoffs.
Sounds alot like what i am saying as well.

haggis
02-13-2012, 05:13 PM
Have you ever seen Paul Pierce play, post-2007?

So Carmelo plays defense now? News to me.

eugene
02-13-2012, 05:16 PM
once teams realize that they will have to guard this Lin his phenomena will be done... :D

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:16 PM
Time for the critics to start getting scared, not that they weren't already.

Oh, they are scared, they just hide it with silly posts about how tough the pacers were in the playoffs last year. fact is, the Bulls would have been beaten by the Celtics if they faced them.

effen5
02-13-2012, 05:16 PM
lol @ knicks fans thinking Bulls are afraid of the Knicks....

Your team still blows...the fact you guys think that this one kid can turn that joke of a franchise around is a joke....

Lets see you guys play the Heat, Philly, or even Indiana then lets talk.

Seriously, by the end of the year, the Bulls will be one of the most rested teams in the NBA. On the other hand, Lin will be tired as hell after playing 47 minutes a game every night for the Knicks.

Can't wait for Melo to come back ,so your crappy team can go back to reality.

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 05:16 PM
So Carmelo plays defense now? News to me.

Hate on, my man. It aint gonna mean a lick a week or 2 from now.

zoned88
02-13-2012, 05:17 PM
So Carmelo plays defense now? News to me.

Do u even watch knicks games or do u ride the bash train? The team is top 10 in defense..has been all season.. This knicks don't play d..melo don't play d. its invalid and not a very good way to make a point anymore.

knicksfan42
02-13-2012, 05:18 PM
So Carmelo plays defense now? News to me.

You must not have been watching the Knicks this season. We were a top 10 defense this season even before Amare and Melo left the team last week. Melo has been at least an average defender this season, as for Amare well.... he isn't quite as bad as before.

northsider
02-13-2012, 05:18 PM
I thought they had a new coach? How could they be the exact same team if they have a new coach. I thought the old coach was awful and yet they almost beat you several times in the playoffs. You are just proving my point. Maybe the Bulls albiet their 60 wins were just not as solid as you thought they were heading into the playoffs last year. Regular season wins are meaningless for any purpose other than determining playoff seeding. How else can you justify the pounding they took against a better Heat team that did not win 60 games last year? So what you are saying, is that the Heat didn't win as many games but were the better team in the playoffs.
Sounds alot like what i am saying as well.

The **** kind of drugs are you on. You really don't know what you are talking about. You do know the coach they have this year is the same one that took over after they fired O'brien and was the one who coached them in the playoffs????

Sounds nothing like what you are saying simply for the fact you are consistently saying stuff that is absurd. The Bulls were not pounded by any means in those games. While they may have won 4 running they were all close games. Think before you type it helps.

All you're doing is proving my point that you are a terrible judge of team performance and secondly I am even wondering how close you even follow the NBA outside of the Knicks.

NoahH
02-13-2012, 05:18 PM
And then the NBA.com poll says who would u rather start your team with an Lin was an option

haggis
02-13-2012, 05:19 PM
Hate on, my man. It aint gonna mean a lick a week or 2 from now.

I know. Live it up!

Maybe we should rehash the Landry Fields GOAT threads from last season too!


Do u even watch knicks games or do u ride the bash train? The team is top 10 in defense..has been all season.. This knicks don't play d..melo don't play e.g. its invalid and not a very good way to make a point anymore.

I didn't say anything about the Knicks as a team. I specifically said Carmelo.

RickyRubio
02-13-2012, 05:20 PM
Do u even watch knicks games or do u ride the bash train? The team is top 10 in defense..has been all season.. This knicks don't play d..melo don't play d. its invalid and not a very good way to make a point anymore.

They are actually ranked 10th in Hollinger's Defensive Efficiency rating .. I am shocked and appalled haha

DaBear
02-13-2012, 05:20 PM
Oh, they are scared, they just hide it with silly posts about how tough the pacers were in the playoffs last year. fact is, the Bulls would have been beaten by the Celtics if they faced them.

lol :facepalm:

No, this is not a fact, but it is a very stupid opinion. The Bulls were clearly better than the C's last year, just as they are this year. Stop overhyping that old *** team. They're done.

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 05:24 PM
I know. Live it up!

Maybe we should rehash the Landry Fields GOAT threads from last season too!



I didn't say anything about the Knicks as a team. I specifically said Carmelo.

This is your problem right here. You're too focused on what Knick fans say/have said, rather than formulating your own opinion.

What do you think regarding Lin? How would you compare him to Landry Fields skill-wise?(I only ask because your previous comment implies Landry and Lin are in the same conversation) Do you think he is a fluke? What kind of numbers do you see him putting up for the rest of the season? etc. etc.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:24 PM
No, but I usually reserve judgment on a player for more than 5 games.
Fair, but from what you can see, this is no fluke here. If lin was scoring his points by nailing three's, and getting his assists because defenders were falling down, or all on fast break opportunities, more than 5 games would be called for. problem is, the guy is doing it with speed, patience, BB IQ, and a saavy straight out of Stockton/Nash playbook.




So Melo (in your words, one of the best in game) has to alter his game around a guy that has started 5 NBA games. Ok.
Actually, YES. Think about it, With no PG in this system, Melo has tried to force the issue almost every time he touches the ball. When the Knicks beat the lakers last week, 90% of every shot Kobe tok was an off-balance fade away. He hit them with a defender in his face all night long. I bet kobe would love to get wide open shots just like everyone else.
Word has it (Broussard) that Melo has been begging dantoni to get Lin in the game. Even Melo sees what will happen when opposing teams are double teaming his PG. Now you cant double team melo. Thats why he is smiling right now.


You seem pretty sure about that.
I am. Watch tomorrows game with amare in the pick and roll. Amare aint Jefferies and that will be evident. Lin is going to have a field day dishing off to Tyson Chandler and amare. And then when they plan for that, he will drive to the hoop. I am very sure and very excited about that.



lol

Have you seen Melo play?
Oh I have seen him play, and now the NBA will see just how dangerous this team will be. Go ahead, watch a game, your tune will change.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:27 PM
once teams realize that they will have to guard this Lin his phenomena will be done... :D

Yup. They will abandon their attempts to guard melo and amare and concentrate on Jeremy Lin. (I hope that happens)

pd1dish
02-13-2012, 05:29 PM
at least its fairly unanimous that Rose is the best PG in the league :) (all but NO and OKL gave him the majority vote)

MagicHero3
02-13-2012, 05:29 PM
33% of NYers said Lin is the best lol

thats surprisingly lower than expected

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:29 PM
lol @ knicks fans thinking Bulls are afraid of the Knicks....

Your team still blows...the fact you guys think that this one kid can turn that joke of a franchise around is a joke....

.

I believe they said that about derrick rose 3 years ago. Worked out well for him. Now Lin is no Rose, but he is exactly what the Knicks needed. So far, 5 games 5 wins. pretty good start.

bodupp311
02-13-2012, 05:30 PM
Time for the critics to start getting scared, not that they weren't already.

:laugh: They say it's best to start out with a joke. And you just gave a zinger.

tyfreaks brotha
02-13-2012, 05:31 PM
Wow absoulutly ********.. By next season after he's given the Gilbert Arenas contract, I'm gonna laugh my ****ing *** off when he becomes nothing more then a decent player

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 05:32 PM
Knicks are winning and the sun is shining. Nuff said.

haggis
02-13-2012, 05:34 PM
This is your problem right here. You're too focused on what Knick fans say/have said, rather than formulating your own opinion.

What do you think regarding Lin? How would you compare him to Landry Fields skill-wise?(I only ask because your previous comment implies Landry and Lin are in the same conversation) Do you think he is a fluke? What kind of numbers do you see him putting up for the rest of the season? etc. etc.

I think the Lin story is great.

We all hype up our own guys (some fanbases more than the other), I'm just not a big sensationalism guy. Everyone has crazy stretches. Brandon Jennings dropped 55 and he was the next big thing, Norris Cole put together 3 or 4 games and he was the ROY, **** even people like Darren Collison who did it for longer than Lin had people calling him a legit player.

I get it, you guys are excited. I would be too, and I'm not blaming (most) Knick fans. This **** just gets annoying. I don't care that Lin sleeps on a couch, I don't care that Kobe doesn't care, I don't care that Spike Lee has been having wet dreams.


As for the rest of the season, I don't know what to tell you, other than I think Amare will fit in nicely with a PnR PG, and he shouldn't have to adjust much. However, Melo, even when he played with a pass-first PG (Miller) didn't adjust his game accordingly. Melo is who he is, and that's a gifted scorer who has never bought into a team system.

Obviously Lin is going to regress to the means, his numbers (shot attempts, USG rate, etc.) will all come down as the Knicks get healthy. I'd just like to enjoy the ride, rather than counting MVP trophies before they've been won.

bodupp311
02-13-2012, 05:37 PM
Knicks are winning and the sun is shining. Nuff said.

It's probably partly cloudy and you are 13-15. More needs to be said.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:38 PM
You stated that the pacers were the same team, yet Dunleavy, Ford, Jones, McRoberts, Posey and Rush were all pacers last year. How is that the same team.? You make the pacers out to be an incredible foe, they sucked and you beat them congrats.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:41 PM
thats surprisingly lower than expected

Not me, I have clearly stated that DRose is the best PG in the NBA. Not even close.

Evolution23
02-13-2012, 05:41 PM
Lin is the best point guard... from last week

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 05:42 PM
I think the Lin story is great.

We all hype up our own guys (some fanbases more than the other), I'm just not a big sensationalism guy. Everyone has crazy stretches. Brandon Jennings dropped 55 and he was the next big thing, Norris Cole put together 3 or 4 games and he was the ROY, **** even people like Darren Collison who did it for longer than Lin had people calling him a legit player.

I get it, you guys are excited. I would be too, and I'm not blaming (most) Knick fans. This **** just gets annoying. I don't care that Lin sleeps on a couch, I don't care that Kobe doesn't care, I don't care that Spike Lee has been having wet dreams.


As for the rest of the season, I don't know what to tell you, other than I think Amare will fit in nicely with a PnR PG, and he shouldn't have to adjust much. However, Melo, even when he played with a pass-first PG (Miller) didn't adjust his game accordingly. Melo is who he is, and that's a gifted scorer who has never bought into a team system.

Obviously Lin is going to regress to the means, his numbers (shot attempts, USG rate, etc.) will all come down as the Knicks get healthy. I'd just like to enjoy the ride, rather than counting MVP trophies before they've been won.
This is a great post! I agree with most of it. I'm one of the few Knicks fans in here that was worried about 'Melo's return. But some of his tweets and statements he's made today and yesterday have been easing my mind.

As far as the media, you can't possibly blame or take it out on Knick fans. And you have to understand that we are enjoying getting some POSITIVE media coverage for once and a while.

I don't know how Lin's career will shake out, but Brandon Jennings isn't a smart player, Norris Cole doesn't have this kind of court vision, and i would be THRILLED if Lin ends up producing like Collison, although i think its clear just by watching that Lin is a craftier distributor.

The kid is a pure PG, and that isn't coming from Knick fans, thats coming from HOFers.

DaBear
02-13-2012, 05:43 PM
at least its fairly unanimous that Rose is the best PG in the league :) (all but NO and OKL gave him the majority vote)

PSD = Rose haters

northsider
02-13-2012, 05:45 PM
You stated that the pacers were the same team, yet Dunleavy, Ford, Jones, McRoberts, Posey and Rush were all pacers last year. How is that the same team.? You make the pacers out to be an incredible foe, they sucked and you beat them congrats.

hahahahah so they lost players is your argument. You realize that would mean they might've been stronger in the playoffs last year and completely negate your argument (I don't believe this but, it is a terrible way to try to strengthen your argument). Please stop playing semantics cause you are wrong and sadly keep trying to argue your terrible point.

NEVER not once was my point to make the Pacers out to be an amazing foe but, for you to think they we're push overs cause of reg. season (which is something you have made clear MEANS NOTHING) then you are not only contradicting yourself but, helping me prove my point.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:47 PM
Why would anyone hate drose? The man is incredible. I wish we had his as does every fan of every team regardless of what a poll shows.
Its just sports. Rose won the MVP why do you care what a poll says?
Lin is exactly what the Knicks needed to go deep in the playoffs, I really dont care what Bulls fans think about that. It is fun to debate, but as soon as I walk away from the keyboard, I could really care less.
Jeremy Lin has made being a knicks fan fun for the first time since 1999. A miserable stretch it has been. I am loving this, and its gonna get better.

northsider
02-13-2012, 05:51 PM
The worst part about everything going on is I am a Lin supporting and a fan. I was talking about Lin before some Knicks fans but, mostly cause I picked him up immediatly after his spot start game. I really hope he does well and from what I have seen I really think he is the real deal just based on his good decision and his IQ on the court.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:53 PM
hahahahah so they lost players is your argument. You realize that would mean they might've been stronger in the playoffs last year and completely negate your argument (I don't believe this but, it is a terrible way to try to strengthen your argument). Please stop playing semantics cause you are wrong and sadly keep trying to argue your terrible point.

NEVER not once was my point to make the Pacers out to be an amazing foe but, for you to think they we're push overs cause of reg. season (which is something you have made clear MEANS NOTHING) then you are not only contradicting yourself but, helping me prove my point.

You keep stating that I am proving your point. Why are you so defensive? Because you know the pacers sucked and you beat them? get over it. They barely made the playoffs and your regular season win total (Rightly so you earned it) gave you the privelege of facing this sorry team.
The Heat got philly, you got Indy. The Celtics got us. Three week opponents for three great teams. Difference was that the Heat got the Celtics in round two and you got the pathetic hawks. My point is, the heat were clearly beter than you were and you might not have gotten by Boston. You had a clear path to the ECF. And you lost it.
If the celtics had Indy and ATL, they would have played the Heat in the finals.
You had the easier path, but you earned that with an incredible regular season. Why does that bother you? Did you want Philly then Boston? I bet you were hoping for ATL and not Boston. You got it. Punched your ticket to the conference finals.

DaBear
02-13-2012, 05:55 PM
Why would anyone hate drose? The man is incredible. I wish we had his as does every fan of every team regardless of what a poll shows.
Its just sports. Rose won the MVP why do you care what a poll says?
Lin is exactly what the Knicks needed to go deep in the playoffs, I really dont care what Bulls fans think about that. It is fun to debate, but as soon as I walk away from the keyboard, I could really care less.
Jeremy Lin has made being a knicks fan fun for the first time since 1999. A miserable stretch it has been. I am loving this, and its gonna get better.

Because he's the best PG in the NBA, he plays for Chicago, and he won the MVP. That's too much for the CP3 nut huggers to have.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:55 PM
The worst part about everything going on is I am a Lin supporting and a fan. I was talking about Lin before some Knicks fans but, mostly cause I picked him up immediatly after his spot start game. I really hope he does well and from what I have seen I really think he is the real deal just based on his good decision and his IQ on the court.

See, if you had led with this, we would be best buds. I agree with you.

Captain Moroni
02-13-2012, 05:57 PM
Because he's the best PG in the NBA, and he plays for Chicago.

Dont confuse Hate with disrespect. I hate LeBron james as I am sure you probably do as well. But he is clearly a freakish athlete who is uber-talented. I am not a DRose fan, I dont root for him. I am not a wade/Kobe/LeBron fan either but I respect all of them as LINCREDIBLE NBA stars.
I hate Derek jeter, but love the way he plays the game.

northsider
02-13-2012, 06:00 PM
You keep stating that I am proving your point. Why are you so defensive? Because you know the pacers sucked and you beat them? get over it. They barely made the playoffs and your regular season win total (Rightly so you earned it) gave you the privelege of facing this sorry team.
The Heat got philly, you got Indy. The Celtics got us. Three week opponents for three great teams. Difference was that the Heat got the Celtics in round two and you got the pathetic hawks. My point is, the heat were clearly beter than you were and you might not have gotten by Boston. You had a clear path to the ECF. And you lost it.
If the celtics had Indy and ATL, they would have played the Heat in the finals.
You had the easier path, but you earned that with an incredible regular season. Why does that bother you? Did you want Philly then Boston? I bet you were hoping for ATL and not Boston. You got it. Punched your ticket to the conference finals.

Honestly I would've had NO issues with who the Bulls faced last year and would've been happy to see them up against any team. I have complete faith in that team against any team in the league in a 7 game series. I know it isn't a guarantee but, honestly just like you say "you don't want to face so and so" do you think teams actually want to have to face the Bulls??

I love watching the best challenge possible and would put those Bulls up against any team without a hesitation.

northsider
02-13-2012, 06:03 PM
See, if you had led with this, we would be best buds. I agree with you.

I actually never was in here down talking Lin I was just arguing the notion that the Bulls are just a regular season team. That is a term I think is semi silly and one that really has no facts to it other then us losing to the Heat in the ECF which means we made it far in the playoffs. The Heat are a very very very very good team its not as if we lost to a bottom feeder.

BradfordIsElite
02-13-2012, 06:10 PM
lmao. How is someone supposed to know this is another Lin thread? His name is not in the tittle...

Dude, are ya serious?
Either move your mouse over the link to the thread and find out, or simply click into it and read the first post. It couldn't be ANY simpler.

BradfordIsElite
02-13-2012, 06:26 PM
ESPN is a sports ENTERTAINMENT network, it is their job to relate sports to as many people as possible. People have been hearing about Jeremy Lin alot, many who perhaps don't really follow the NBA regularly. They try to appeal to the masses, not so much to the die hard knowledgeable fans.

Obviously no one thinks LIN should be considered with the games great PG's yet, but it gets ESPN publicity, as you can see from this 5 page thread, and especially among chinese viewers.

I get where your coming from but if that were the case, ESPN chose the complete wrong way to phrase the question which is what lead to creating this thread. If they had worded it differently, maybe such as: who's the most exciting pg in the nba or which pg has the best future, who's performed better this week, etc. would've made much more sense. Specifically asking, "who's the best?" just makes them look foolish and in a way disresctful to other players that deserve that recognition of being even considered.

BradfordIsElite
02-13-2012, 06:48 PM
Rose
Paul
Williams
Rondo
Westbrook
Nash
Lowry
Holiday
Conley
Teague

All better than Lin... Just going off the top of my head, add more to the list for me if you want

Surely, how about John Wall, Steph Curry, Brandon Jennings, Tony Parker, Kyrie Irving, Ricky Rubio and Ty Lawson to name a few more

chitown815
02-13-2012, 07:07 PM
W/o bird rights cant the nets or some other under cap team offer lin like 4/40 and steal himfrom ny since he is a RFA and all new york has is a 5 million exem

jp611
02-13-2012, 07:17 PM
W/o bird rights cant the nets or some other under cap team offer lin like 4/40 and steal himfrom ny since he is a RFA and all new york has is a 5 million exem

They have his bird rights

naps
02-13-2012, 07:49 PM
Yes.

LMAO! So you think ESPN poll for best point guard in the league with Lin as an option is something Lin deserves after 5 game?

naps
02-13-2012, 07:57 PM
Someone wanna explain to me how it took Rose 3 years to get respect for being a great pg and still has idiotic doubters, but Lin gets that respect in 4 games?

It's easy. Lin is liked by everyone now. Wait and give it sometime. It will be gone. Reason? Fans overrate rising stars in big cities like NY, Chi, and LA. I truly believe Lin is going to be a star player but some Knicks fans are already overrating/overhyping him for sure.

jam
02-13-2012, 08:00 PM
Holy ish, another lin thread...

Kashmir13579
02-13-2012, 08:05 PM
LMAO! So you think ESPN poll for best point guard in the league with Lin as an option is something Lin deserves after 5 game?

Yes, exactly.

phillips480
02-13-2012, 08:08 PM
I dont get it.

AddiX
02-13-2012, 08:10 PM
We all know espn takes any hype and brings it to a whole new level. Any respectability that network had went completely down the drain with tebow.

After lins second game they were already calling him the next tebow.

First off, Lin is the real deal, not a fraud like tebow, second off, you don't compare him to the best in the NBA after 5 games.

jrands
02-14-2012, 12:42 AM
They have a poll up asking who's the NBA's best point guard in the league..

-Jeremy Lin
-Chris Paul
-Rajon Rondo
-Derrick Rose
-Someone else

No i'm not kidding. Go look yourself LMFAO.
Obviously I don't have to highlight the player that makes this thread worthy, I just figured ayye, that was a real good laugh, why not share with everyone.

Rose seems to be the odd man out since he's not even playing. Can't be considered the best when you're not playing.

HouRealCoach
02-14-2012, 02:28 AM
Rondo shouldnt be on there

FriedTofuz
02-14-2012, 02:44 AM
J lin has earned my respect he deserves to have his name up on those poles.

jbeezy
02-14-2012, 02:46 AM
its obviously Derek Fisher :pity:

ManningToTyree
02-14-2012, 02:52 AM
This really is a joke! None of those other scrubs are anywhere close to Lin.

chitown815
02-14-2012, 10:18 AM
[QUOTE]They have his bird rights[QUOTE]

Not in the new cba, and they can but they will have to use their full MLE http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/knicks-in-a-position-to-keep-lin/

LakersIn5
02-14-2012, 10:40 AM
past is past. RIGHT NOW lin is the best :p

omdigga
02-14-2012, 10:54 AM
espn really knows how to make fans hate a player... they hype someone until you can help but get annoyed..

Bornknick73
02-14-2012, 11:15 AM
They are actually ranked 10th in Hollinger's Defensive Efficiency rating .. I am shocked and appalled haha

can care less about Hollinger.....but the REAL NBA recorded stat is...

8th

Ranked 8th in defensive ranking. Im gonna laugh when we get our offense together. Our bench pieces from last year have been replaced and/or upgraded. After this past week they got thier confidence back.

Amar'e will have his PnR pg and will go back to his 25 ppg self. Novak is bombing from 3. Tyson and bum *** Jeffries are controlling the paint. Shump is holding down the perimeter and providing steals and disrtupting the opponents offense. Landry is back to playing like his old self.

As for Melo, he will take his customary spot on the low block and will get his 27-30 ppg. Without the responsibility of playing point forward he can go back to just scoring. And we all know theres no one in the league who can guard him.

You guys better hope this kid flames out. Because if he doesnt and he continues to play this way the rest of the league might be in trouble. Defensively the Knicks are playing as well as they have in 10+ years. Couple that with a PG who can direct our offense and thats a hell of a problem for the other teams in the league.

We may not win it all this year, and im sure we wont but we're gonna be good enough to slap quite of few of your teams in the mouth. HARD!

And get down on your knees and pray JR doesnt come to play with us. Melo, Amare, JR with Lin running the point is a pretty unstoppable offense.

strokeman
02-14-2012, 12:06 PM
The NBA is a joke!
Itís a business, they must have been dying inside watching the NFL make money of Tim Tebow, so hey why not create our own NBA version of Tim Tebow. We loss Yao and all the revenew along with him, so Lets target the Chinese market!
Welcome to the NBA Jeremy Lin; where stars are created! get a huge contract kid, there using you!

dh144498
02-14-2012, 02:32 PM
i hate the fact that ESPN is creating a 3 ring circus around Lin. He is a good PG but comaparing him to those elite guys at this point is an absolute joke. But that said if he puts these numbers for the rest of the season then maybe we can have this debate.

then just wait till the end of the season bro, no need to rage.

Chronz
02-14-2012, 02:40 PM
can care less about Hollinger.....but the REAL NBA recorded stat is...

8th

Ranked 8th in defensive ranking.
They are both real, the only difference is that Defensive Efficiency is used by NBA Execs and actual statisticians, so if any of them is real its actually the one used by stat guys and people who work for teams, not the dudes behind NBA.com. Also they arent Hollingers stats, he just uses them because he knows they are superior.