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Shonuff
02-07-2012, 11:12 PM
You can't convince me that NBA players today are more athletic than back in the day. People be sleepin' on Barkley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v9XE7BijJA

goalie
02-07-2012, 11:40 PM
I grew up the son of a 76er season ticker holder and Barkley was unlike anyone that any of us had ever seen before.

He was a beast.

I'm not much for using stats to debate but I think he has a rare combo or points, rebs and assists.

Kashmir13579
02-07-2012, 11:54 PM
Sick highlights. Green Day song brings me back.

Kashmir13579
02-07-2012, 11:56 PM
28 points per game with an ORtg of 127. :drool:

jmoney85
02-07-2012, 11:57 PM
sir charles was my 2nd favorite player when I was younger

Blink
02-07-2012, 11:59 PM
Too bad im to young to have seen him play.
I watch highlights of him very often though.
looked like one of a kind that's for sure.

Fnom11
02-08-2012, 12:04 AM
He wasn't that athletic to be honest, he just never made a soft play in his life. Man went hard all the time. He's like the complete opposite of Bosh.

Lakeshow24KB
02-08-2012, 12:06 AM
Too bad im to young to have seen him play.
I watch highlights of him very often though.
looked like one of a kind that's for sure.

Yeah same. I'm just fourteen so I barely even got to watch the Shaq-Kobe era. It sucks being young lol.

Odominator
02-08-2012, 12:09 AM
During those 92 olympics, Sir Charles was lightning quick.

He would eat Lebron up in a second.


"I Love This Game" Era >>>>> "Where 'Corrupt Commissioner" happens" Era

Shonuff
02-08-2012, 12:16 AM
He wasn't that athletic to be honest, he just never made a soft play in his life. Man went hard all the time. He's like the complete opposite of Bosh.

Totally disagree but to each his own.

J4KOP99
02-08-2012, 12:48 AM
One of the greatest to ever play. It's as simple as that.

The Final Boss
02-08-2012, 01:14 AM
Some of those were Cedric Ceballos in a #34 jersey.

Odominator
02-08-2012, 01:33 AM
up the son of a 76er season ticker holder and Barkley was unlike anyone that any of us had ever seen before.

He was a beast.


I call PLAGARISM!!

Lloyd Christmas
02-08-2012, 02:04 AM
Magic Johnson has gone on record saying Charles was the best player on the dream team.

Shonuff
02-08-2012, 02:57 AM
Magic Johnson has gone on record saying Charles was the best player on the dream team.

Chuck was a beast in the Olympics.

I came across this video and was amazed. I've always respected him but I think I shortchanged him as far as how good of a player he was. Most people think of him as the funny fat guy on TNT but he was mean.

IversonIsKrazy
02-08-2012, 03:00 AM
He was athletic, but players have become more and more athletic. I mean c'mon, no way players in the 80's or even 90's are as athletic as they are today. They are more athletic, because the train harder now, which is because there are more resources available, better technology/science to make the most of the work-out.

Athletes today are a lot more athletic than they once were, to me there's no doubt about that.

3mikee_
02-08-2012, 11:47 AM
I feel like this can be Blake Griffin if he learns to block some shots...

effen5
02-08-2012, 12:28 PM
He was athletic, but players have become more and more athletic. I mean c'mon, no way players in the 80's or even 90's are as athletic as they are today. They are more athletic, because the train harder now, which is because there are more resources available, better technology/science to make the most of the work-out.

Athletes today are a lot more athletic than they once were, to me there's no doubt about that.

They maybe a lot more athletic now a days but the lack of fundamentals is mind blowing.

ThuglifeJ
02-08-2012, 12:33 PM
Y does he havv to be so annoying on tnt..webbers the only one who doesnt make me llike him less being on tv

haggis
02-08-2012, 12:33 PM
They maybe a lot more athletic now a days but the lack of fundamentals is mind blowing.

**** fundamentals. DUNKS AND 33333333333333ssssssssssssss baby!!!!!

ThuglifeJ
02-08-2012, 01:14 PM
i think the league was at its peak in athleticism about 2000 or so..you had guys like young Kobe, athletic Shaq, Tmac, VC, AI, young Ray, young Pierce, Desmond Mason, KG, Kmart, JRich, Stevie Francis, Sprewell.. etc etc...so many insanely ahtletic players who were ALSO great (besides like Desmond)

Wade, Lebron, Howard, and Griffin's overrated *** are really the only ones who carred that whole athleticism while still being a great player...Wade probably being the only one who was also very skillfull athletically..now you have guys like Javale McGee, Corey Brewer, Shannon Brown, etc who are probably near athletic as the 2000 dudes but just flat out arent that good..a buncha desmond masons

hotadef
02-08-2012, 01:14 PM
Barkley had to be one of the most athletic players to play the game 6ft 4 pf. He played the game at 260 pounds or higher jumping and dunking over people blocking shots. His leaping ability at that height and weight was unbelievable. If he was the normal 200 pounds at that height wow

valade16
02-08-2012, 01:23 PM
He was athletic, but players have become more and more athletic. I mean c'mon, no way players in the 80's or even 90's are as athletic as they are today. They are more athletic, because the train harder now, which is because there are more resources available, better technology/science to make the most of the work-out.

Athletes today are a lot more athletic than they once were, to me there's no doubt about that.

Michael Jordan was more athletically gifted than 90% of players today he was drafted in '84. Also, Hakeem, Ewing? Both those guys were more athletic than any big playing today except Dwight.

omdigga
02-08-2012, 01:30 PM
nice vid.. barkley was straight pit bull on the court..

ghettosean
02-08-2012, 02:24 PM
I miss this era in basketball :( Bring back hand checking stop the flopping epidemic. Make this a MANS game again!!!

smith&wesson
02-08-2012, 02:41 PM
sir charles was my fav player as a kid. he always gets over looked even though his career average is alsmost identical to tim duncans.

he is tied with timmie D as the greatest pf of all time. i give duncan the edge obviously cuz of the rings.

barkley was a beast which is why i give him a pass when he often sounds dumb now a days. i prefer to remember him when he was sir charles with 76ers and his phx days.

tmacsc2
02-08-2012, 03:05 PM
i never realized how much of a freakin beast he was.....

ewing
02-08-2012, 03:11 PM
He wasn't that athletic to be honest, he just never made a soft play in his life. Man went hard all the time. He's like the complete opposite of Bosh.

You are mental

BGeer091
02-08-2012, 03:30 PM
A friend and I were actually discussing this the other night. He said he didn't get my Barkley was an analyst " Idk why he's and analyst he wasn't that good when he played"

I tried to explain to him what Barkley was like and he was like oh well still doesn't sound like he was good.

This is what I said. He was tougher then any player today. I said he'd make Artest and Ben Wallace cry!!

He was under 6'6'' and was one of the best rebounders in the game, and dunked on everyone!! Played great defense.

jamesa
02-08-2012, 03:55 PM
He was a beast for his size. the wimps today would not be able to handle players like him or malone. these small fast guards would have been smothered by a pg like magic. fundamentals were so much better then. it was a better meaner game then. players were smarter, guys i the nba now are f'ing retarted. just think about it barkley was essentially the same height as wade.

naps
02-08-2012, 04:03 PM
But but but Charles isn't a winner. (In kobephiles voice) :facepalm:

DoubleDragon
02-08-2012, 04:13 PM
He was athletic, but players have become more and more athletic. I mean c'mon, no way players in the 80's or even 90's are as athletic as they are today. They are more athletic, because the train harder now, which is because there are more resources available, better technology/science to make the most of the work-out.

Athletes today are a lot more athletic than they once were, to me there's no doubt about that.

I've seen live games both in Chicago and L.A. for 35 years. The players nowadays are super athletic, this I agree on, however, it's alot easier to move unfettered and gracefully in todays game because you're not being constantly handchecked and knocked around by defenders. These guys didn't have the hands-off rules of today, but they bulldogged their way to the rim. They were indeed athletic and certainly tougher, at least in my opinion having the opportunity to watch them in person for over 3 decades. Let Magic, Barkley, MJ, Bird, Dr. J, etc play in a league where they're not constantly being leaned on and handchecked, that's a whole different story. Gotta give props to the ballers like them for even making athleticism a factor in the evolution of the sport. Griffin's fun to watch, but Barkley too was a monster, even with the defender's hands pushing him every which way. there wasn't too much looking at the ref because you feel like so and so slightly brushed your elbow or gave you a small push in the back.

Respect to the ballers of yesterday.

CubZwin38
02-08-2012, 04:20 PM
You are mental

Not mental. The kid's probably just too young to remember the athletic Barkley.

thekmp211
02-08-2012, 06:09 PM
crazy that he was probably 6'5 TOPS. and chubby.

Lim
02-08-2012, 07:16 PM
charles is a legit 6'6. or at least he was in his prime.

http://guanabee.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/charlesbarkley_22409.jpg

mustaine
02-08-2012, 07:24 PM
charles is a legit 6'6. or at least he was in his prime.

http://guanabee.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/charlesbarkley_22409.jpg

From his own mouth...

“They lie,” said Charles Barkley, a basketball commentator for TNT. “I’ve been measured at 6-5, 6-4 ¾. But I started in college at 6-6.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/sports/basketball/22score.html

MickeyMgl
02-08-2012, 07:42 PM
No one like him. I always marveled at how, with his body type, he could play so far over the rim. Underrated all-time. Personally, I'd take him at PF over Malone (or Duncan, who's a center anyway).

MickeyMgl
02-08-2012, 07:44 PM
Yeah same. I'm just fourteen so I barely even got to watch the Shaq-Kobe era. It sucks being young lol.

I'm old. Wanna trade?

Lim
02-08-2012, 09:12 PM
From his own mouth...

“They lie,” said Charles Barkley, a basketball commentator for TNT. “I’ve been measured at 6-5, 6-4 ¾. But I started in college at 6-6.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/sports/basketball/22score.html

so what are you even saying? not sure what side you are taking

Raph12
02-09-2012, 12:26 AM
Chuck was a beast, but comparing athleticism of the league then to the league now is just stupid. The athleticism of guys like Jordan and Erving were very rare back then, nowadays everyone has a near 40 vert or higher, quickness, explosiveness and speed is very common among most teams. Almost each and every team in the league has atleast one guy who is crazy athletic if not 2 to 4... The times have changed, the league has changed, athleticism is no longer that impressive, it's a given.

thekmp211
02-09-2012, 09:44 AM
Chuck was a beast, but comparing athleticism of the league then to the league now is just stupid. The athleticism of guys like Jordan and Erving were very rare back then, nowadays everyone has a near 40 vert or higher, quickness, explosiveness and speed is very common among most teams. Almost each and every team in the league has atleast one guy who is crazy athletic if not 2 to 4... The times have changed, the league has changed, athleticism is no longer that impressive, it's a given.

while i agree with pretty much everything you say here, i still think chuck is an all-time impressive athlete. considering his build, i can't even think of an active player with remotely the same skill set and size.

he might not have been dunking on everyone as much as he did in the 90's but i think barkley's athletic abilities would still be very much a wonder if he were active today. i'm gonna go watch some highlights.

sb123
02-09-2012, 09:52 AM
From his own mouth...

“They lie,” said Charles Barkley, a basketball commentator for TNT. “I’ve been measured at 6-5, 6-4 ¾. But I started in college at 6-6.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/sports/basketball/22score.html

With shoes on. He was 4 inches shorter then most PF in his day.

thekmp211
02-09-2012, 09:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v9XE7BijJA

for those who don't/can't remember. whoa!!

sb123
02-09-2012, 09:55 AM
Chuck was a beast, but comparing athleticism of the league then to the league now is just stupid. The athleticism of guys like Jordan and Erving were very rare back then, nowadays everyone has a near 40 vert or higher, quickness, explosiveness and speed is very common among most teams. Almost each and every team in the league has atleast one guy who is crazy athletic if not 2 to 4... The times have changed, the league has changed, athleticism is no longer that impressive, it's a given.

You confuse muscles and weight lifting with athlete. Player today are more muscular but I don't see what you are talking about. Personally, you simply are another member of the millenial generation who thinks history was just invented when you started paying attention.

Go read about The GOAT or see highlights of Oscar Robertson. Try a little Kareem at UCLA or Wilt, Connie Hawkins. Hakeem's foot speed. Really? I mean, folks here are ignorant. In general, players are more muscular no doubt but their cardio vascular conditioning is poor in comparison and their skillsets are even worse. They rans tons more the in the MBA in the 1980s,70s etc.

What you might notice is the fact lots of athletes who suck play nowadays b/c GM and Coaches are quite stooooooopid too. In the old days, guys who could not play, did not. Today you have specialists like Reggie Evans (who would not have even made an old time Lakers or Celtics team) playing who got no business playing. Add a bunch of NBA players to that, Joel Anthony, etc......

This has occurred b/c of expansion, watered down teams, HS players who are clueless and unskilled, and guys drafted simply b/c their vertical is high even if they may never develop. But when looking up and down squads 30 years back, teams today are not more athletic. Just a much bigger league, with more slots for players and more slots for athletic players who never would have been in the NBA years back.

But give me the 1980s Lakers and they smoke every team out there. Throw Cooper out on Durant and watch Kareem throw down the simplest 30 points you ever saw on their cast of tiny Centers. 7'2 sky hooks all night. LOL. Or those old time Celtics team that would run you off the court.

Sorry.

thekmp211
02-09-2012, 10:42 AM
You confuse muscles and weight lifting with athlete. Player today are more muscular but I don't see what you are talking about. Personally, you simply are another member of the millenial generation who thinks history was just invented when you started paying attention.

Go read about The GOAT or see highlights of Oscar Robertson. Try a little Kareem at UCLA or Wilt, Connie Hawkins. Hakeem's foot speed. Really? I mean, folks here are ignorant. In general, players are more muscular no doubt but their cardio vascular conditioning is poor in comparison and their skillsets are even worse. They rans tons more the in the MBA in the 1980s,70s etc.

What you might notice is the fact lots of athletes who suck play nowadays b/c GM and Coaches are quite stooooooopid too. In the old days, guys who could not play, did not. Today you have specialists like Reggie Evans (who would not have even made an old time Lakers or Celtics team) playing who got no business playing. Add a bunch of NBA players to that, Joel Anthony, etc......

This has occurred b/c of expansion, watered down teams, HS players who are clueless and unskilled, and guys drafted simply b/c their vertical is high even if they may never develop. But when looking up and down squads 30 years back, teams today are not more athletic. Just a much bigger league, with more slots for players and more slots for athletic players who never would have been in the NBA years back.

But give me the 1980s Lakers and they smoke every team out there. Throw Cooper out on Durant and watch Kareem throw down the simplest 30 points you ever saw on their cast of tiny Centers. 7'2 sky hooks all night. LOL. Or those old time Celtics team that would run you off the court.

Sorry.


agree with some of this. you can't disregard the advantages in sports science and medicine that the 21st century athlete enjoys. that is how you get freaks like dwight and lebron, who i don't care what you say have historical peers from an athleticism sense. they are unique. kobe doesn't play this well, this long if he played in the 1970's.

i do agree that athletic ability goes far beyond raw metrics, and that the 70's and 80's nba ballers were much better athletes in that sense than the ones today. steve nash and derrick rose are both elite athletes for very different reasons.

and as the game has changed as you describe, the onus has been put on finding bigger, stronger, more explosive athletes. the idea being that you can't coach a body. why go after someone like marshon brooks ( a polished, accomplished, clearly NBA ready player in college) when you could have someone like demar derozan (raw, limited skills, freak athlete coming out). teams hope they can program the skills into the body, not realizing that the skills are part of the whole athletic package.

still, you can't deny that the average nba athlete is more impressive now than ever. you didn't have guys like derrick rose and john wall in the league even 10 years ago, much less 30.

kdspurman
02-09-2012, 12:34 PM
Michael Jordan was more athletically gifted than 90% of players today he was drafted in '84. Also, Hakeem, Ewing? Both those guys were more athletic than any big playing today except Dwight.

You forgot David Robinson who might have been more athletic than Dwight. Also Zo was quite the athlete himself.

DoubleDragon
02-09-2012, 02:43 PM
I'm old. Wanna trade?

:cheers: HEARD THAT

DoubleDragon
02-09-2012, 02:51 PM
You forgot David Robinson who might have been more athletic than Dwight. Also Zo was quite the athlete himself.

Right. Also the Malone and Stockton duo. Crazy.
And as for skilled. This is going farther back. Pistol Pete anyone?
Dr. J?:speechless:

The players today don't dwarf the athletes of yesteryear as much as some of these youngin's think. Although HD and the evolution of instant replay/freeze cam, etc certainly make things look fantastical onscreen. Being at Bulls games and Lakers games throughout the last 3+ decades, I can tell you firsthand that there were monsters then and now. Today's technology I think helps more in the prevention of frequent and career ending injuries by developing supportive muscles. That along with better medical technology to lengthen careers.

In any generation there's gonna be your freak athletes. Robotic terminator types who seem unstoppable. But give me the workhorses. Mental toughness trumps all (IMO of course)

JasonJohnHorn
02-09-2012, 07:06 PM
Sir Charles was my favorite player when I was a kid. Thanks for sharing the highlight reel. He was awesome to watch. I thought it at the time and I think it still today: Barkley > Jordan

Just sayin.

Raph12
02-09-2012, 07:33 PM
You confuse muscles and weight lifting with athlete. Player today are more muscular but I don't see what you are talking about. Personally, you simply are another member of the millenial generation who thinks history was just invented when you started paying attention

Go read about The GOAT or see highlights of Oscar Robertson. Try a little Kareem at UCLA or Wilt, Connie Hawkins. Hakeem's foot speed. Really? I mean, folks here are ignorant. In general, players are more muscular no doubt but their cardio vascular conditioning is poor in comparison and their skillsets are even worse. They rans tons more the in the MBA in the 1980s,70s etc.

What you might notice is the fact lots of athletes who suck play nowadays b/c GM and Coaches are quite stooooooopid too. In the old days, guys who could not play, did not. Today you have specialists like Reggie Evans (who would not have even made an old time Lakers or Celtics team) playing who got no business playing. Add a bunch of NBA players to that, Joel Anthony, etc......

This has occurred b/c of expansion, watered down teams, HS players who are clueless and unskilled, and guys drafted simply b/c their vertical is high even if they may never develop. But when looking up and down squads 30 years back, teams today are not more athletic. Just a much bigger league, with more slots for players and more slots for athletic players who never would have been in the NBA years back.

But give me the 1980s Lakers and they smoke every team out there. Throw Cooper out on Durant and watch Kareem throw down the simplest 30 points you ever saw on their cast of tiny Centers. 7'2 sky hooks all night. LOL. Or those old time Celtics team that would run you off the court.

Sorry.

The reason why those teams were as dominant as they were, is because they stacked their teams like it was going out of style. There is a reason why the Lakers and Celts won as much as they did, they had some of the league's best talent on one team... It's easy to say the 80s Lakers would beat any team out there, they had two of the three-to-five best players in league history on that team.

Keep your panties dry grandma, the point is that the league is much more athletic today, which it is;

Atlanta Hawks - Josh Smith, Jeff Teague and Marvin Williams
Boston Celtics - Rajon Rondo, Mikhael Pietrus and Brandon Bass
Charlotte Bobcats - Tyrus Thomas, Kemba Walker, Bismack Biyombo and Gerald Henderson
Chicago Bulls - Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, Ronnie Brewer and Luol Deng
Cleveland Cavaliers - Alonzo Gee, Tristan Thompson and Ryan Hollins
Dallas Mavericks - Vince Carter, Shawn Marion, Delonte West and Rodriguez Beaubois
Denver Nuggets - Wilson Chandler, Ty Lawson, Kenneth Faried and Chris Anderson
Detroit Pistons - Will Bynum, Rodney Stuckey and Tayshaun Prince
Goldenstate Warriors - Monta Ellis, Nate Robinson and Dorrell Wright
Houston Rockets - Terrance Williams, Courtney Lee and Chase Budinger
Indiana Pacers - Paul George, Danny Granger and Dante Jones
Los Angeles Clippers - Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan and Solomon Jones
Los Angeles Lakers - Kobe Bryant, Josh McRoberts and Devin Ebanks
Memphis Grizzlies - Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo and Tony Allen
Milwaukee Bucks - Brandon Jennings, Luc Mbah a Moute and Larry Sanders
Miami Heat - Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh
Minnisota Timberwolves - Derrick Williams, Michael Beasley, Wes Johnson and Wayne Ellington
New Jersey - Deron Williams, Jordan Farmar and MarShon Brooks
New Orleans - Trevor Ariza, Al-Farouq Aminu and Eric Gordon
New York - Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudamire and Tyson Chandler
Oklahoma City Thunder - Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant and James Harden
Orlando Magic - Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson and Von Wafer
Philadelphia Sixers - Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young and Jrue Holiday
Phoenix Suns - Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat and Hakim Warrick
Portland Trail Blazers - Gerald Wallace, Nicholas Batum and Wesley Matthews
Sacramento Kings - Tyreke Evans, Travis Outlaw and JJ Hickson
San Antonio Spurs - Richard Jefferson, Kawhi Leonard, James Anderson and Corey Joseph
Toronto Raptors - DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis and Amir Johnson
Utah Jazz - Derrick Favors, Devin Harris and CJ Miles
Washinton Wizards - John Wall, JaVale McGee, Trevor Booker and Nick Young

Guys like Jordan, Erving, etc would be slightly above average (athletically) in today's league. It isn't really comparable to previous eras in terms of athleticism... Why don't you list each teams' top athletes back in '95, '85, '75 or '65 for comparison?

NYKalltheway
02-09-2012, 07:57 PM
man people on psd are really young :laugh: