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asandhu23
02-06-2012, 05:35 PM
This list


http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_career.html

Probably will happen tonight

gaughan333
02-06-2012, 05:41 PM
Wonder if shaq will have anything to say about this

Bishnoff
02-06-2012, 05:58 PM
I can see him overtaking MJ before he hangs them up. Probably not the Mailman though.

shep33
02-06-2012, 06:01 PM
Impressive

sixers247
02-06-2012, 06:04 PM
Not happening tonight!!!!

bholly
02-06-2012, 06:20 PM
I happened to look yesterday and Kobe averages just over 24ppg in games vs Iggy. Iggy is playing D as well as he ever has, but Kobe is also out to get his more than he has been in the past - will be a really interesting matchup.

Jenceman
02-06-2012, 06:48 PM
Hopefully he does it efficiently, so 44+%

seikou8
02-06-2012, 08:18 PM
bye bye shaq now shaq has nothing over kobe

dh144498
02-06-2012, 08:55 PM
just passed Shaq. :clap::clap:

realsportsfan1
02-06-2012, 08:58 PM
Kobe passes Shaquille O'neal for #5 on all time scoring list against the sixes!!!Amazing Feat!!!Thoughts...

ChaseHamels
02-06-2012, 09:02 PM
Well that was quick.

310Casper
02-06-2012, 09:03 PM
Not happening tonight!!!!

:facepalm:

It ended up happening halfway through the 2nd quarter.

:D

ChiSox219
02-06-2012, 09:04 PM
2498 more shots than shaq, mindblowing how dominant that dude was. Congrats to Kobe been an entertaining career

KB-Pau-DH2012
02-06-2012, 09:08 PM
That was easy! :clap:

netsgiantsyanks
02-06-2012, 09:08 PM
2498 more shots than shaq, mindblowing how dominant that dude was. Congrats to Kobe been an entertaining career

you said that like he's retiring :laugh2:

KB-Pau-DH2012
02-06-2012, 09:09 PM
bye bye shaq now shaq has nothing over kobe

Mmmm... still has 1 finals MVP over him, I'm sure Kobe wants to address that department next. ;)

kArSoN RyDaH
02-06-2012, 09:09 PM
In the 1st half shooting 50+ % from the field. Not too bad.

ChiSox219
02-06-2012, 09:10 PM
you said that like he's retiring :laugh2:

Entertaining... so far :)

dh144498
02-06-2012, 09:11 PM
2498 more shots than shaq, mindblowing how dominant that dude was. Congrats to Kobe been an entertaining career

:confused: what's even the point of this comment?

shep33
02-06-2012, 09:17 PM
Nice job Mamba! :clap:

CB29
02-06-2012, 09:17 PM
2498 more shots than shaq, mindblowing how dominant that dude was. Congrats to Kobe been an entertaining career

Shaq had a lot dunks in his career since he played center so its obvious that kobe would have more shots since he's a guard.

ChiSox219
02-06-2012, 09:18 PM
:confused: what's even the point of this comment?

Take enough shots and you can outscore superior scorers

dh144498
02-06-2012, 09:28 PM
Take enough DUNKS and you can outscore superior scorers

fixed

LakersMaster24
02-06-2012, 09:43 PM
Even here people hate :laugh:

Tmath
02-06-2012, 09:44 PM
How many more shot attempts has Kobe had?

Vidball
02-06-2012, 09:45 PM
Nearly 2000 less FT's than Shaq too...oh and half a decade faster than the Big Decline

ChiSox219
02-06-2012, 09:49 PM
Shaq has so many "haters"

Its a bad thing that he got to the free throw and dunked a lot LMAO


Respect what the Shaq did while admiring what Kobe is doing

Cal827
02-06-2012, 09:57 PM
So, I'm going to guess that we will hear Shaq come out of retirement after this game :p

Bruno
02-06-2012, 10:03 PM
Collins started doubling Kobe the time-out after he passed Shaq/hit that long two while Iggy was stuck behind a screen (second quarter).

SportsAndrew25
02-06-2012, 10:18 PM
Your Welcome.

RaiderLakersA's
02-06-2012, 10:19 PM
Take enough shots and you can outscore superior scorers

I take nothing away from Shaq by saying that he is one of the most dominant players of our era.

But I also acknowledge that if he is the more efficient scorer, that doesn't necessarily make him the more superior scorer.

A more superior scorer hits his free throws. A more superior scorer is a threat from anywhere on the floor, not just at the hoop.

It took Shaq 19 years (someone check me on that) to amass his scoring numbers. It took Kobe 16...and unlike Shaq, he wasn't a starter from day 1, nor the primary option early in his career with a DISTINCT advantage over defenders at his position. Shaq had no true rival at the center position, just lots and lots of speed bumps.

Props to both men, but this is Kobe's day. Shaq is rear view... and fading.

SportsAndrew25
02-06-2012, 10:19 PM
Yet another reason why this guy is a BO$$.

pd7631
02-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Kobe did work tonight for 15 minutes.....4pts in the last 33 minutes of the game, that's Sixer defense right there!

shep33
02-06-2012, 11:08 PM
Sixer D was great in the 2nd half, they constantly doubled, and when they didn't Iggy did a great job.

long ball
02-06-2012, 11:09 PM
I had no idea he was so close until they said it on the broadcast. Congrats to Kobe.

roberth1973
02-07-2012, 12:14 AM
if Kobe keeps his average from the past 2 seasons, he should be the #1 scorer in NBA History in 5 years............Providing he plays another 5 years. his season average is around 2000. any thoughts on that possibility?

shep33
02-07-2012, 12:31 AM
Magic and Shaq just gave the Kobester big props.

Law25
02-07-2012, 11:49 AM
Congrats Kobe :clap: a win would have been a nice touch but congrats all the same.

RaiderLakersA's
02-07-2012, 11:55 AM
if Kobe keeps his average from the past 2 seasons, he should be the #1 scorer in NBA History in 5 years............Providing he plays another 5 years. his season average is around 2000. any thoughts on that possibility?

He won't catch Kareem. I don't think he'll catch Malone or Jordan either, to be honest. But we'll see.

MagicHero3
02-07-2012, 11:57 AM
i cant wait to phase out everything shaq related. GO KOBE!

beliges
02-07-2012, 01:08 PM
Take enough shots and you can outscore superior scorers

Well, MJ averaged more shots/game than Kobe has throughout their careers. I think its a testament of how dominant he has been for such a long time. He will need another 2 seasons to pass MJ which he most likely will in terms of all time points. Just goes to show how great the dude is. No other perimeter player, not Magic, not Bird and not even MJ were able to have such dominance and such longevity doing it like Kobe has. In his 16th season and still averaging 30-6-5. Just remarkable. With all these accolades he moves down the top 10 list, to the top 5 list and maybe when its all said and done down to the top 2 list.

urban85disciple
02-07-2012, 05:29 PM
Well, MJ averaged more shots/game than Kobe has throughout their careers. I think its a testament of how dominant he has been for such a long time. He will need another 2 seasons to pass MJ which he most likely will in terms of all time points. Just goes to show how great the dude is. No other perimeter player, not Magic, not Bird and not even MJ were able to have such dominance and such longevity doing it like Kobe has. In his 16th season and still averaging 30-6-5. Just remarkable. With all these accolades he moves down the top 10 list, to the top 5 list and maybe when its all said and done down to the top 2 list.

I agree with when all is said and done Kobe will be #2 greatest of all time, and that's because I value guards more than centers; guards have to work harder at being great. But Kobe will never equal Jordan no matter how long he plays. You can't compare players from different eras on totals, you must use averages.

Kobe is dominant? How about 5 MVPs, 7 scoring titles, and 6 Finals MVPs? All during the height of the NBA. Jordan played against more future/current HoFers than Kobe will ever play against. Plus, Jordan was never questioned if he was the best player on his team. Kobe was not the best player on the Lakers during 2000-2002.

Longevity? Jordan played til he was 38. How long do you think Kobe has left? Kobe was drafted out of HS. Jordan played 3 years in college, and retired for 2. If you use Jordan's career average over 5 years he missed due to college/"retirement," he scores 44,592 total points.:speechless:

KB-Pau-DH2012
02-07-2012, 05:33 PM
I agree with when all is said and done Kobe will be #2 greatest of all time, and that's because I value guards more than centers; guards have to work harder at being great. But Kobe will never equal Jordan no matter how long he plays. You can't compare players from different eras on totals, you must use averages.

Kobe is dominant? How about 5 MVPs, 7 scoring titles, and 6 Finals MVPs? All during the height of the NBA. Jordan played against more future/current HoFers than Kobe will ever play against. Plus, Jordan was never questioned if he was the best player on his team. Kobe was not the best player on the Lakers during 2000-2002.

Longevity? Jordan played til he was 38. How long do you think Kobe has left? Kobe was drafted out of HS. Jordan played 3 years in college, and retired for 2. If you use Jordan's career average over 5 years he missed due to college/"retirement," he scores 44,592 total points.:speechless:

You completely spot on until you talked about Longevity.

Remember in MJ's 2nd or 3rd season, he only played 17 games due to a broken leg.


Then due to gambling issues and for David Stern to save face of the NBA, he retired (under the pretense of his father's death and wanting to play minor league baseball). He took all of 93-94 off. Which then he, Stern and the marketing gurus decided that all the negative publicity and all the money he lost in the gambling issues, why not adorn the #45 and make some dough off of that for the small amount of games he played in 94-95.

Then he retires in 98, and doesn't come back until 2001-02 and 02-03.


So no, Michael Jordan and the word longevity don't go together. That's one thing Kobe can proudly hold over MJ, the fact that for any reason (even with his rape case), he never took time off from the game he loved most, BASKETBALL! And he's still dominating to this day!

urban85disciple
02-07-2012, 06:31 PM
You completely spot on until you talked about Longevity.

Remember in MJ's 2nd or 3rd season, he only played 17 games due to a broken leg.

I'm not old enough to remember but I know what you're talking about. Still, he went on to play 13 more seasons.



Then due to gambling issues and for David Stern to save face of the NBA, he retired (under the pretense of his father's death and wanting to play minor league baseball). He took all of 93-94 off. Which then he, Stern and the marketing gurus decided that all the negative publicity and all the money he lost in the gambling issues, why not adorn the #45 and make some dough off of that for the small amount of games he played in 94-95.

Then he retires in 98, and doesn't come back until 2001-02 and 02-03.


So no, Michael Jordan and the word longevity don't go together. That's one thing Kobe can proudly hold over MJ, the fact that for any reason (even with his rape case), he never took time off from the game he loved most, BASKETBALL! And he's still dominating to this day!

I must've misunderstood longevity as the ability to play for a long time, according to age. Stern forcing his retirement doesn't mean he couldn't have continued to play under different circumstances. According to your interpretation though, you're right; Kobe has/will play(ed) longer than Jordan when all is said and done.

KB-Pau-DH2012
02-07-2012, 06:37 PM
I'm not old enough to remember but I know what you're talking about. Still, he went on to play 13 more seasons.




I must've misunderstood longevity as the ability to play for a long time, according to age. Stern forcing his retirement doesn't mean he couldn't have continued to play under different circumstances. According to your interpretation though, you're right; Kobe has/will play(ed) longer than Jordan when all is said and done.

As I said, all your arguments were spot on. I just could not agree with longevity. The thing is, the NBA is such a grind, even taking off 3/4ths of a season and then later on, 3 whole years can do wonders for your body, which is why he was still able to avg 20+ ppg in his final season in 02-03 at age 38. Still, nothing to take away from MJ. The man did his work, and now, Kobe is doing his work.


We truly are blessed to have seen both.