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knickshottic
02-01-2012, 05:13 PM
Other than Dwight Howard and possibly Deron Williams, what other players could you see traded before the deadline. Also will Darryl Morey and the Rockets make any moves? Chad Ford (1:27 PM)


Well, Chris Kaman looks like he's gone. Gotta believe Pau Gasol will be gone for the right deal. Knicks shopping Amare hard, but his non-insured contract is a major issue. The entire Celtics team is on the block.

310Casper
02-01-2012, 05:19 PM
Pau Gasol will definitely be gone before the deadline. And it wont be for howard, most likely for a package headed by an above-average pg. Lakers dont need Howard with a healthy bynum, they're just an above-average pg and some decent bench players away from contending.

They havent had a pointguard in over a decade. Fisher is not a pointguard (by definition) and they just stopped using the triangle after a decade of it, which means a pg is needed now.

Lakerfrk
02-01-2012, 05:28 PM
The issue is.. who can Gasol actually net us, that is worth it?

Raph12
02-01-2012, 05:31 PM
Knicks trade Amare and Fields for Scola-KMart-Dragic... Both teams improve:

Knicks:
PG - Dragic/Douglas
SG - KMart/Shumpert
SF - Melo/Walker/Balkman
PF - Scola/Harrelson
C - Chandler/Jeffries

Rockets:
PG - Lowry/Flynn
SG - Fields/Lee
SF - Budinger/TWill
PF - Stat/Patterson
C - Dalembert/Thabeet

Win-win right?

thekmp211
02-01-2012, 05:37 PM
i think it might be a very interesting trade season.

SMH!
02-01-2012, 05:46 PM
i think it might be a very interesting trade season.

indeed

waveycrockett
02-01-2012, 05:46 PM
Other than Dwight Howard and possibly Deron Williams, what other players could you see traded before the deadline. Also will Darryl Morey and the Rockets make any moves? Chad Ford (1:27 PM)


Well, Chris Kaman looks like he's gone. Gotta believe Pau Gasol will be gone for the right deal. Knicks shopping Amare hard, but his non-insured contract is a major issue. The entire Celtics team is on the block.

One of the big-3. Maybe Pierce or Allen.

J4KOP99
02-01-2012, 05:46 PM
I'm not as convinced as some of you guys are that Gasol will definitely be moved.

--I am under the belief that there is basically no chance that Dwight gets traded to LA... BUT, as of right now, the Lakers have one of the top 2 or 3 front courts in the NBA. If Mitch Kupchak can possibly get an Aaron Brooks, or Calderon, without giving up Gasol, then I think Gasol stays.

But if I'm the Lakers, I would look at Boston, and possibly going after Rondo and Pierce.

king4day
02-01-2012, 05:47 PM
Knicks trade Amare and Fields for Scola-KMart-Dragic... Both teams improve:

Knicks:
PG - Dragic/Douglas
SG - KMart/Shumpert
SF - Melo/Walker/Balkman
PF - Scola/Harrelson
C - Chandler/Jeffries

Rockets:
PG - Lowry/Flynn
SG - Fields/Lee
SF - Budinger/TWill
PF - Stat/Patterson
C - Dalembert/Thabeet

Win-win right?

I actually dig that deal a lot. Both improve pretty drastically fixing their weaknesses.
Now onto important matters. Who is the girl in your sig and avatar? I must marry her....immediatly!!!

mgsports
02-01-2012, 05:47 PM
Gasol to Minnesota +3wins with Beasley/Miller to Magic and Luke R./Redick/Orton/Duhon to Lakers?

king4day
02-01-2012, 05:49 PM
I'm not as convinced as some of you guys are that Gasol will definitely be moved.

--I am under the belief that there is basically no chance that Dwight gets traded to LA... BUT, as of right now, the Lakers have one of the top 2 or 3 front courts in the NBA. If Mitch Kupchak can possibly get an Aaron Brooks, or Calderon, without giving up Gasol, then I think Gasol stays.

But if I'm the Lakers, I would look at Boston, and possibly going after Rondo and Pierce.

Although the Suns own Brooks' rights, I don't see the Suns signing him when he returns. At most, you might have to give up a future second.
He's not your answer to long term PG but he can score some.

DeathB4Dishonor
02-01-2012, 05:50 PM
Knicks trade Amare and Fields for Scola-KMart-Dragic... Both teams improve:

Knicks:
PG - Dragic/Douglas
SG - KMart/Shumpert
SF - Melo/Walker/Balkman
PF - Scola/Harrelson
C - Chandler/Jeffries

Rockets:
PG - Lowry/Flynn
SG - Fields/Lee
SF - Budinger/TWill
PF - Stat/Patterson
C - Dalembert/Thabeet

Win-win right?

I like that trade a lot for the Knicks .. not so much for the Rockets, I doubt that they are willing to take on his contract, they have somewhat of a history for not overpaying for anybody

Raph12
02-01-2012, 05:54 PM
I actually dig that deal a lot. Both improve pretty drastically fixing their weaknesses.
Now onto important matters. Who is the girl in your sig and avatar? I must marry her....immediatly!!!

No one I know dude... Unfortunately.


I like that trade a lot for the Knicks .. not so much for the Rockets, I doubt that they are willing to take on his contract, they have somewhat of a history for not overpaying for anybody

They were gonna do the same deal for Pau alone; Stat with a good, creating PG is lethal and the Rockets want a big name star to build around.

J4KOP99
02-01-2012, 05:54 PM
Let's not forget just how bad Amare's contract is...

Iodine
02-01-2012, 05:55 PM
Chad Ford is horrible.

waveycrockett
02-01-2012, 05:55 PM
I like that trade a lot for the Knicks .. not so much for the Rockets, I doubt that they are willing to take on his contract, they have somewhat of a history for not overpaying for anybody

Lowry and Amar'e together would be nastyyyyyyyyyyyyy. If I'm the Knicks I would rather try and deal Melo for a PG like Lowry+K-martin than STAT

DeathB4Dishonor
02-01-2012, 05:58 PM
No one I know dude... Unfortunately.



They were gonna do the same deal for Pau alone; Stat with a good, creating PG is lethal and the Rockets want a big name star to build around.

Yea I remember the previous trade proposal, Pau has less years than Amare and I always figured that the Rockets were trying to build around both Gasol's in the middle (obviously didn't happen I know) do you think the ROckets would be willing to take on Amare's contract? I don't see it, ecspecially after his bad start to this year

*Edit* Although .. Amare apparently blows without a solid PG and with the emergence of Lowry this year Amare could flourish once again

shep33
02-01-2012, 06:02 PM
Amare is gonna be tough to move.

Gasol is awesome, I rather not see him go for a weak package. Guy is a top 3-4 PF in my books. LA won't deal him unless they're in a bind. He will not be packaged with Drew to get Howard, that much I can guarantee.

shep33
02-01-2012, 06:03 PM
Ford also isn't very reliable

waveycrockett
02-01-2012, 06:05 PM
Ford also isn't very reliable

Ford is alot like Chris Sheridan. He throws alot of ***** against the wall and see's what sticks and he's also more of a draft guy. Only guys from ESPN I pay mind to are Stein and Broussard and Steven A SMith ever since he called Big 3 to Miami about a month before it happened.

KyleLedge62
02-01-2012, 06:05 PM
lakers are considering arenas. if they get him i think they keep gasol

KOBE24
02-01-2012, 06:06 PM
I dont think the Celtics would give up Rondo for Pau. I think they would more likely want Bynum if they were to do any trade with the lakers

shep33
02-01-2012, 06:09 PM
I dont think the Celtics would give up Rondo for Pau. I think they would more likely want Bynum if they were to do any trade with the lakers

Yeah probably, but I don't see the Lakers FO trading big for small though either. Celts would have to take back a bad contract of ours, plus we'd need another one of their main guys. Don't see it happening either way.

Punk
02-01-2012, 06:10 PM
Lowry and Amar'e together would be nastyyyyyyyyyyyyy. If I'm the Knicks I would rather try and deal Melo for a PG like Lowry+K-martin than STAT

Lol You got to be joking. Melo is clearly our best player. He's way more easier to build around compared to Amare.

NYYCowboys
02-01-2012, 06:12 PM
Knicks trade Amare and Fields for Scola-KMart-Dragic... Both teams improve:

Knicks:
PG - Dragic/Douglas
SG - KMart/Shumpert
SF - Melo/Walker/Balkman
PF - Scola/Harrelson
C - Chandler/Jeffries

Rockets:
PG - Lowry/Flynn
SG - Fields/Lee
SF - Budinger/TWill
PF - Stat/Patterson
C - Dalembert/Thabeet

Win-win right?

I doubt the Rockets would do this. As a Knicks fan I'd be ecstatic with this trade.

utl768
02-01-2012, 06:14 PM
kaman would be a incredible fit for the heat

Rockice_8
02-01-2012, 06:15 PM
I'm not as convinced as some of you guys are that Gasol will definitely be moved.

--I am under the belief that there is basically no chance that Dwight gets traded to LA... BUT, as of right now, the Lakers have one of the top 2 or 3 front courts in the NBA. If Mitch Kupchak can possibly get an Aaron Brooks, or Calderon, without giving up Gasol, then I think Gasol stays.

But if I'm the Lakers, I would look at Boston, and possibly going after Rondo and Pierce.

I agree with this actually. Their one advantage has always been their size so why give that up. I think there will be a few good PG's out there who can help without giving up Pau.

They need better shooters around Kobe/Pau/Bynum cause they can all attract the double and they need an outside threat to make teams pay.

Just spit balling here but I think a deal like Farmar and Shawne Williams to LA for the Odom TPE and a 2nd could work. Nets would clear an extra few million off their cap and LA gets two guys to spread the floor.

Jint.
02-01-2012, 06:15 PM
Knicks trade Amare and Fields for Scola-KMart-Dragic... Both teams improve:

Knicks:
PG - Dragic/Douglas
SG - KMart/Shumpert
SF - Melo/Walker/Balkman
PF - Scola/Harrelson
C - Chandler/Jeffries

Rockets:
PG - Lowry/Flynn
SG - Fields/Lee
SF - Budinger/TWill
PF - Stat/Patterson
C - Dalembert/Thabeet

Win-win right?

good deal for both.. I think..?

Hawkamania
02-01-2012, 06:19 PM
I doubt the Rockets would do this. As a Knicks fan I'd be ecstatic with this trade.

Same here, I think it'd be hard for any Knicks fan to find fault with this deal. For Rockets fans however, this may be a bit harder to swallow although I still believe they come out very well in this deal, Lowry would do wonders for Stat.

Raph12
02-01-2012, 06:19 PM
I doubt the Rockets would do this. As a Knicks fan I'd be ecstatic with this trade.

Yea I remember the previous trade proposal, Pau has less years than Amare and I always figured that the Rockets were trying to build around both Gasol's in the middle (obviously didn't happen I know) do you think the ROckets would be willing to take on Amare's contract? I don't see it, ecspecially after his bad start to this year

*Edit* Although .. Amare apparently blows without a solid PG and with the emergence of Lowry this year Amare could flourish once again

Stat has one extra year on his contract (vs Pau), but the only reason why he's struggling like he is, is because he doesn't have a legit PG yet. Since Stat was in the league, he played with Nash, then in NYC he played with Felton; now he plays with Shumpert and Douglas... See the difference?

The Rockets need to change something, they aren't bad enough to win the lottery and aren't good enough to make it to the playoffs. Building around Lowry-Stat with those young role players may be exactly the change up they need.

lvlheaded
02-01-2012, 06:23 PM
Amar'e and Fields for Martin/Scola/Dragic? Sign me up. Fills ever need the Knicks have, gives the Rockets a star big to play with Lowry. Knicks probably have to find a way to give them a pick too, or maybe cash would be enough

waveycrockett
02-01-2012, 06:24 PM
Are Knicks fans crazy? They would trade Stat to fill their PG need with Goran Dragic?? Really?? And have Melo-Martin-Dragic defend the perimeter? Good God

Tmath
02-01-2012, 06:25 PM
Amar'e and Fields for Martin/Scola/Dragic? Sign me up. Fills ever need the Knicks have, gives the Rockets a star big to play with Lowry. Knicks probably have to find a way to give them a pick too, or maybe cash would be enough

Scola is better than Amare and Fields is nothing special, Houston would be stupid to make that trade.

waveycrockett
02-01-2012, 06:26 PM
Scola is better than Amare and Fields is nothing special, Houston would be stupid to make that trade.

Scola is better than Amar'e at what?? Horse Polo? It sure as hell aint basketball

Punk
02-01-2012, 06:29 PM
Are Knicks fans crazy? They would trade Stat to fill their PG need with Goran Dragic?? Really?? And have Melo-Martin-Dragic defend the perimeter? Good God

Dragic is a good PG. Martin would most likely come off the bench. Scola is a WAY better post player and that is what we need. Amare cannot thrive with a real C next him and without a good PG.

sportscrazed
02-01-2012, 06:30 PM
Scola is better than Amare at some things probably, but basketball would not be one of those things

AntiG
02-01-2012, 06:30 PM
I dont think the Celtics would give up Rondo for Pau. I think they would more likely want Bynum if they were to do any trade with the lakers

This. Ainge isn't stupid, he's not giving up their only young elite talent unless they are getting a young elite talent in return. I'm pretty sure he'd do a Gasol for KG swap though if the Lakers wanted LOL... or a Rondo-Pierce for Bynum-Gasol.

Punk
02-01-2012, 06:33 PM
Scola is better than Amare at some things probably, but basketball would not be one of those things

Lol Scola outplayed Amare in every meeting as a Knick. Come on, people. Just stop it.

Scola is no Amare, but when it comes to the negatives and positives of Amare, Scola wins.

Jint.
02-01-2012, 06:34 PM
Rockets arent doing the Knicks any favors.. maybe add Balkman :D

shep33
02-01-2012, 06:37 PM
This. Ainge isn't stupid, he's not giving up their only young elite talent unless they are getting a young elite talent in return. I'm pretty sure he'd do a Gasol for KG swap though if the Lakers wanted LOL... or a Rondo-Pierce for Bynum-Gasol.

I think It'd have to be Bynum, + Pick + Artest/Walton for Rondo + Pierce

shep33
02-01-2012, 06:38 PM
Rondo
Kobe
Pierce
Pau
?

That's a pretty decent lineup right there. I doubt it happens though, LA would still need to grab a center.

uprightciti
02-01-2012, 06:39 PM
Ok Stat and Fields

for

Dragic/K-mart/Scola plus our pick back would be a great deal

but...
since Houston is in the lead for Kaman

consider it a pipe dream

they will end up with Kaman for Hill, Thabet, and Flynn PLUS the Knicks 2012 Pick

:(

shep33
02-01-2012, 06:41 PM
Pau to the Warriors for Kwame Brown

Bruno
02-01-2012, 06:41 PM
LAL should go after Brooks in Phoenix. He plays very few minutes for them. He hasn't been a serious contributor for any team since Houston in 2009-2010. He averaged 20/5/2.5/1 with them while leading the league in three pointers made. Exactly what LA needs, a young fast PG who can penetrate and spread the floor. His % has been down since playing in Phoenix, but I think he'd have a revival with starters minutes. LAL should offer Blake and their first from Dallas for Brooks (or two seconds of Phoenix will take it).

Brooks
Bryant
Artest
Gasol
Bynum

give that team with a real PG one last chance before blowing it up. give that squad (or the Lakers with another good young PG) one more chance, then ship Gasol in the off-season if they can't get it done (he'l be 32, id prefer to ship him regardless of the playoff outcome, while he's still worth something).

Punk
02-01-2012, 06:41 PM
I'd love that trade for us, honestly.

The trade for Gasol is interesting. Not sure what could the Lakers get back.

jeter 2
02-01-2012, 06:46 PM
Amare is worth more than Kevin Martin, Dragic and Scola.

Punk
02-01-2012, 06:48 PM
Amare is worth more than Kevin Martin, Dragic and Scola.

Not this year's Amare.

jeter 2
02-01-2012, 06:50 PM
Not this year's Amare.

He's had one bad month and we trade him for less than what he's worth. That's genius! :rolleyes:

thephoenixson28
02-01-2012, 06:52 PM
Suns need to jump on one of these trades.

flatbush knicks
02-01-2012, 06:54 PM
I dont even know where to start. Lets just say im glad you guys aren't our gm.First that deal with houston is horrible for the knicks. Amare could net us way better than that. how about amare and landry fields for tyreke evans marcus thorton jj hickson and jason thompson.

Punk
02-01-2012, 06:55 PM
He's had one bad month and we trade him for less than what he's worth. That's genius! :rolleyes:

It's not about worth, It's about the fact he isn't going to change this season. Scola, Martin is a good package but we'd obviously want more.

thephoenixson28
02-01-2012, 06:58 PM
Frye,Brown,Lopez to the Rockets

Scola,Martin,Dragic to the Knicks

Amare to the suns

specialiststeve
02-01-2012, 07:02 PM
Lakers need a punch of youth.
Wolves need a good vet.

Beasley (Williams), Darko, Wes Johnson, and Ridnour
for
Gasol, Ebanks and Morris.

Lets the Lakers go for it this year and gives them PG with youth.

Lakers
Fisher/Ridnour, Kobe, Wes Johnson, Beasley and Bynum. Much more athletic and with scoring punch.

Wolves
Rubio, Webster, Williams (Beasley), Love and Gasol. Instant improvement at C and might make the playoffs THIS year with this group. Ebanks and Morris are projects but do have some ability to help off the bench.

Win/win

Jint.
02-01-2012, 07:03 PM
Frye,Brown,Lopez to the Rockets

Scola,Martin,Dragic to the Knicks

Amare to the suns

done

Kobe4Life
02-01-2012, 07:04 PM
Gasol to Minnesota +3wins with Beasley/Miller to Magic and Luke R./Redick/Orton/Duhon to Lakers?

LOL 4 mediocre players for Gasol that is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever seen on these forums at least give the Lakers Beasley in the proposal. I could't imagine the offers you might put together in a fantasy basketball team lol.

NYsFinest
02-01-2012, 07:18 PM
LOL at these trade offers, people don't realize Amar'e needs a starting caliber PG to succeed. But once he has one he is an absolute BEAST.

Have any of you seen the Knicks PG rotation?!?! Toney Douglas does not belong in the NBA. Let's wait until the Knicks can get someone that deserves to start at that position before we start offering him for an old Luis Scola. LOL

Ty Fast
02-01-2012, 07:28 PM
I doubt the Rockets would do this. As a Knicks fan I'd be ecstatic with this trade.

rockets were gonna give up this for gasol and amare is way better but i dont see this trade happening

Ty Fast
02-01-2012, 07:30 PM
Lakers need a punch of youth.
Wolves need a good vet.

Beasley (Williams), Darko, Wes Johnson, and Ridnour
for
Gasol, Ebanks and Morris.

Lets the Lakers go for it this year and gives them PG with youth.

Lakers
Fisher/Ridnour, Kobe, Wes Johnson, Beasley and Bynum. Much more athletic and with scoring punch.

Wolves
Rubio, Webster, Williams (Beasley), Love and Gasol. Instant improvement at C and might make the playoffs THIS year with this group. Ebanks and Morris are projects but do have some ability to help off the bench.

Win/win

bad trade for minny. maybe if they had mcahle and even then i dont think he would give la a gift like that. he might trade those guys to boston for brandon bass tho lol.

The Final Boss
02-01-2012, 07:31 PM
Lol The NBA Forum.

VillaMaravilla
02-01-2012, 07:31 PM
Dragic is a good PG. Martin would most likely come off the bench. Scola is a WAY better post player and that is what we need. Amare cannot thrive with a real C next him and without a good PG.

Martin aint coming off the bench smh, and personally he I rather trade melo he can net us more

therealwd27
02-01-2012, 07:32 PM
Amares contract is going to be hard to trade..100mil uninsured isnt appealing to anyone.

NYYCowboys
02-01-2012, 07:34 PM
rockets were gonna give up this for gasol and amare is way better but i dont see this trade happening

Very debatable

therealwd27
02-01-2012, 07:34 PM
Martin aint coming off the bench smh, and personally he I rather trade melo he can net us more

Martin def isnt coming off the bench lol..Hes a beast..And Dragic should start too hes a true PG..Shumpert isnt a PG

therealwd27
02-01-2012, 07:35 PM
Very debatable

Seriously lol how can you say Amare is WAY better???:facepalm:

Statik1
02-01-2012, 07:43 PM
Lol The NBA Forum.

/thread


:clap:

The Final Boss
02-01-2012, 07:53 PM
/thread


:clap:

It's just too damn funny, man. Every time I try to get some news on my Lakers PSD comes up with unsubstantiated rumors that go on for 70 pages.

thephoenixson28
02-01-2012, 07:54 PM
doneNo trade backs

Jint.
02-01-2012, 07:59 PM
No trade backs

deal

naps
02-01-2012, 08:06 PM
No one is taking on Amare's god awful contract.

mavwar53
02-01-2012, 08:14 PM
Call me stupid but I think this could go down...

Monta Ellis, Dorell Wright, Andris Biedrins

for

Pau Gasol and Matt Barnes ( possibly a pick)

blastmasta26
02-01-2012, 08:19 PM
Martin def isnt coming off the bench lol..Hes a beast..And Dragic should start too hes a true PG..Shumpert isnt a PG
Harden's a top 3 SG right now and he comes off the bench. I could see Shumpert starting at SG next to Dragic hypothetically in order to provide defense. Then Martin comes off the bench and gives scoring. He could still play near-starter minutes off the bench.

D-Leethal
02-01-2012, 08:27 PM
Knicks trade Amare and Fields for Scola-KMart-Dragic... Both teams improve:

Knicks:
PG - Dragic/Douglas
SG - KMart/Shumpert
SF - Melo/Walker/Balkman
PF - Scola/Harrelson
C - Chandler/Jeffries

Rockets:
PG - Lowry/Flynn
SG - Fields/Lee
SF - Budinger/TWill
PF - Stat/Patterson
C - Dalembert/Thabeet

Win-win right?

As a Knicks fan I would do that in heart beat. That team around Melo would be perfect to gell with his game. I would probably use KMart as a 6th man and start Shump for some backcourt D but thats my favorite trade scenario involving Amare and it seems like they are after an elite scoring PF.....he and Lowry could be a better version of he and Felton last season with a similar supporting cast.

LA_Raiders
02-01-2012, 08:29 PM
I doubt major trades will happen...

numba1CHANGsta
02-01-2012, 08:34 PM
Gasol wont be traded unless its for a solid PF and PG

UPRock
02-01-2012, 08:34 PM
What about this trade? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7z933hj

Lakers get Amare, Knicks get Gasol and the Timberwolves some young guys.

EnWhyKay
02-01-2012, 08:44 PM
As a Knick Fan... All the Knicks need to do is somehow land a PG.. Why blow up the team when you are 2 pieces away..

A Legit starting Pick and Roll PG.. And a legitimate 6th man..

Ill21
02-01-2012, 08:56 PM
As a Knick Fan... All the Knicks need to do is somehow land a PG.. Why blow up the team when you are 2 pieces away..

A Legit starting Pick and Roll PG.. And a legitimate 6th man..

Exactly my man. Sign j.r smith and Davis comes back healthy, we can be a serious threat.

blahblahyoutoo
02-01-2012, 09:00 PM
The issue is.. who can Gasol actually net us, that is worth it?

amare for gasol straight up.

blahblahyoutoo
02-01-2012, 09:04 PM
Let's not forget just how bad Amare's contract is...

i felt bad for the knicks when they signed that.
like isiah thomas all over again.

justinnum1
02-01-2012, 09:07 PM
amare for gasol straight up.

Not bad

blahblahyoutoo
02-01-2012, 09:13 PM
Frye,Brown,Lopez to the Rockets

Scola,Martin,Dragic to the Knicks

Amare to the suns

if they wouldn't offer him a guaranteed contract, what makes u think they will trade for one now?

blastmasta26
02-01-2012, 09:15 PM
i felt bad for the knicks when they signed that.
like isiah thomas all over again.
The Knicks overpaid for each member of their frontcourt lol gave up too much in the Melo trade and paid Amare and Chandler too much.

kblo247
02-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Might sound crazy as hell, but Pau for Amare does not seem as far fetched to me as it would have a year ago. Amare is a jump shooting face up big and has name value, so if you can get him and keep Bynum, Jim buss looks good as he got a name and gets to keep his pet. If you are New York, you get a big with post moves and passing who would defer more so to Melo and is passive enough naturally to facilitate their offense, and while his deal is bad, it is still better to eat and ends sooner.

ohreally
02-01-2012, 09:47 PM
I'm not as convinced as some of you guys are that Gasol will definitely be moved.

--I am under the belief that there is basically no chance that Dwight gets traded to LA... BUT, as of right now, the Lakers have one of the top 2 or 3 front courts in the NBA. If Mitch Kupchak can possibly get an Aaron Brooks, or Calderon, without giving up Gasol, then I think Gasol stays.

But if I'm the Lakers, I would look at Boston, and possibly going after Rondo and Pierce.

There is absolutely nothing the Lakers could give the Celts that would let them trade Pierce and Rondo, and I think Pierce is probably the last of the big four to actually be sent packing.

koetravis
02-01-2012, 09:58 PM
Why would Houston want Amare? They've had their fair share with big men and injuries. And also the deal that everyone is talking about on here sucks. The Rockets get raped in that deal.

ohreally
02-01-2012, 10:01 PM
Very debatable

Very true, but then, so are your political affiliations. And that's being kind.

Since when does PSD allow such blatant political statements?

SluggeR
02-01-2012, 10:04 PM
This the worst thread I have ever read. STAT was a beast last year and because he's struggling during the beginning of a lock-out season and that makes his contract all of a sudden horrible..SHUT-UP ALREADY. When STAT starts back beasting, all the folks hollering how bad his contract is and how all these 3rd-tier players are better than STAT need to delete their accounts, PSD will be better for it.

Teeboy1487
02-01-2012, 10:07 PM
Call me stupid but I think this could go down...

Monta Ellis, Dorell Wright, Andris Biedrins

for

Pau Gasol and Matt Barnes ( possibly a pick)

That's actually tempting. Monta Ellis is the real deal. Personally, I would trade Gasol for him in a hot second. Honestly, if D-Will is available then a three way trade with this deal going to the Nets and the Lakers getting D-Will if he is indeed available.

blastmasta26
02-01-2012, 10:40 PM
This the worst thread I have ever read. STAT was a beast last year and because he's struggling during the beginning of a lock-out season and that makes his contract all of a sudden horrible..SHUT-UP ALREADY. When STAT starts back beasting, all the folks hollering how bad his contract is and how all these 3rd-tier players are better than STAT need to delete their accounts, PSD will be better for it.
He was overpaid last year too. Many people called his contract bad as soon as he was signed. At his best, he is a great offensive player but one dimensional. If he improves defense/rebounding consistently and regains his offensive game, then he may be worth his contract.

John Walls Era
02-01-2012, 10:54 PM
Call me stupid but I think this could go down...

Monta Ellis, Dorell Wright, Andris Biedrins

for

Pau Gasol and Matt Barnes ( possibly a pick)

Huge fan of Ellis, but a Bryant + Ellis combo will only work in 2k games. Though they both avg. a fair share of assists, both like to control the ball.

kblo247
02-01-2012, 10:59 PM
Huge fan of Ellis, but a Bryant + Ellis combo will only work in 2k games. Though they both avg. a fair share of assists, both like to control the ball.

Except Kobe has said numerous times this year, he would like for someone else to do it (control the ball). Brown has said Kobe has expressed the same thing to the coaches, but they don't have the personnel despite Kobe's wrist

NYKnicks4511
02-01-2012, 11:06 PM
Mark my words, Amar'e will come back stronger than ever once we get a legit guard. Our guard play has been nothing short of horrendous yet still Amar'e and Tyson are putting up solid numbers. Melo is not a point forward. He is an underrated passer, but the dude is a pure scorer. Landry Fields has been looking real good lately, I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks try to capitalize on his recent prowess by dealing him at the deadline.

I don't trade Amar'e unless it's for Howard. We are way too close to mess this up.

NYYCowboys
02-02-2012, 04:05 AM
Very true, but then, so are your political affiliations. And that's being kind.

Since when does PSD allow such blatant political statements?

I mean I put in my icon who I support politically it's not a huge statement, and I am entitled to my freedom of speech rights. I support his campaign both financially, and politically. I just put the icon on to raise awareness for his campaign, but in now way am I shoving it down other posters throats.

But back to the original point. It's not even very debatable as I said. Amare is not "way better" than Gasol. Gasol is probably better than he is all around.


ps Obama's time in office is trickling away. #Romney2012 ;)

niketas
02-02-2012, 05:20 AM
Except Kobe has said numerous times this year, he would like for someone else to do it (control the ball). Brown has said Kobe has expressed the same thing to the coaches, but they don't have the personnel despite Kobe's wrist

Kobe obviously means that he wants to have a real PG on his side..

@Rondo + Pierce for Pau + Bynum. That just makes no sense

spreadeagle
02-02-2012, 06:09 AM
Would Laker fans be interested in a package of Calderon Barbosa and Ed Davis for Gasol Fisher...Team of

Calderon Blake
Kobe Barbosa
Barnes Artest
Murphy Mcroberts
Bynum Davis

Raps would have

Bayless, Fisher
Derozan, Forbes
James Johnson, Kleiza
Bargnani, Amir Johnson
Gasol ,Valanciunas "next year"

Pretty nice on both sides dont ya think?

Sssmush
02-02-2012, 06:25 AM
Pau Gasol will definitely be gone before the deadline. And it wont be for howard, most likely for a package headed by an above-average pg. Lakers dont need Howard with a healthy bynum, they're just an above-average pg and some decent bench players away from contending.

They havent had a pointguard in over a decade. Fisher is not a pointguard (by definition) and they just stopped using the triangle after a decade of it, which means a pg is needed now.

I gotta say, that I really don't like that some people are trying to cover up for the current Laker mismanagement by saying "if they have Bynum, they don't need Dwight Howard."

just... let's just not be ridiculous.

That is like saying "we got a healthy Vlade Divac, we don't need a (25 years old) Shaquille O'Neal."

I get the feeling that Shaq on TNT is doing his part in hoping that DH12 doesn't go to LA, because LA is where most of Shaq's legend lives, where he won his titles. He knows if DH12 goes there, it will be huge, and it will be drama-free, and people will be like "shaq who?"

so yeah, the big fella says "Bynum is actually better than Howard, Lakers shouldn't trade him"

This is all getting so ridiculous now. And if the Lakers trade Pau, possibly the best PF in the game, for some PG, it will just be even more ridiculous.

if you could've given up Bynum and Pau to get Howard (every day this year from what I understand) and say no, but then go and dump Pau for an above average PG... ok AND we traded Odom just for a trade exception, and we coulda packaged him also... but if you dump Pau now for a PG, and wind up with that plus Bynum when you coulda had DH12...

seriously, I might need to start being a Miami or Chicago fan for a while, just to keep my sanity and not get stressed, because the Lakers are fixin to **** themselves stupid right now

Sssmush
02-02-2012, 06:27 AM
Would Laker fans be interested in a package of Calderon Barbosa and Ed Davis for Gasol Fisher...Team of

Calderon Blake
Kobe Barbosa
Barnes Artest
Murphy Mcroberts
Bynum Davis

Raps would have

Bayless, Fisher
Derozan, Forbes
James Johnson, Kleiza
Bargnani, Amir Johnson
Gasol ,Valanciunas "next year"

Pretty nice on both sides dont ya think?


NO!!!

****ing Calderon, wtf

Sssmush
02-02-2012, 06:29 AM
yeah right, we're gonna give up Pau and put Troy Murphy and McNugget at power forward, so we can get a slightly better PG with Jose Calderon.

freakin' Calderon, why don't we just pick him off waivers after he gets amnestied, or trade a 1st or 2nd round pick for him this summer this is whack

Sssmush
02-02-2012, 06:34 AM
I mean I put in my icon who I support politically it's not a huge statement, and I am entitled to my freedom of speech rights. I support his campaign both financially, and politically. I just put the icon on to raise awareness for his campaign, but in now way am I shoving it down other posters throats.

But back to the original point. It's not even very debatable as I said. Amare is not "way better" than Gasol. Gasol is probably better than he is all around.


ps Obama's time in office is trickling away. #Romney2012 ;)

Romney is just going to get demolished by Obama in the debates. And there are going to be some interesting campaign moments the rest of the way till the Republican circus.

I'm an independent anyhow, and don't really mind Romney, not that different than Obama, but I would actually prefer Obama for a few reasons, including his tough national defense experience.

haha. but the democrats can just run the commercials of everything Gingrich is saying and putting in his commercials right now nationally, Gingrich is trashing the crap out of Romney in the debates and the ads, the democrats can just say "thank you" and roll the tape and let Gingrich say it for them

spreadeagle
02-02-2012, 06:57 AM
yeah right, we're gonna give up Pau and put Troy Murphy and McNugget at power forward, so we can get a slightly better PG with Jose Calderon.

freakin' Calderon, why don't we just pick him off waivers after he gets amnestied, or trade a 1st or 2nd round pick for him this summer this is whack

This year Calderon 10points 9 ast and 3 boards with only 1.8 TO a game. Barbosa former 6th man of the year an expiring 7 mil that you guys could use after this playoff run. Ed Davis a recent lottery pick averaging like 6 and 7 in very limited minutes. Gives Lakers the above average PG they need now, an expiring worth 7 mil and a useful 13ppg of the bench for this years playoffs and a young cheap defensive big, for Pau an aging big who averages what 18 and 8 and makes like 15 mil a year? pretty good deal dude

Evolution23
02-02-2012, 07:22 AM
Heat should make a push for Howard. Wade and fillers straight up for Howard makes sense. I feel bad for the Heat cause they keep trusting Wade and he is always injured. He is already 30 and is gonna decline real fast because of the way he plays. Heat fans deserve better (at least the few that they have).

oballerc75
02-02-2012, 07:51 AM
Im seeing all these Pau Gasol proposals, and i think their hilarious, Lakers WILL NOT trade Pau unless it lands them MULTIPLE allstars or a BETTER player in return... This slow, boring, unorganized Lakers team still can beat almost any team in the league in a 7 game series, there not THAT desperate to trade their second best player, best believe that.

Monta is beast
02-02-2012, 08:11 AM
Ellis for Gasol?

Curry-Robinson
Rush-Thompson
Wright-McGuire
Lee-Udoh
Gasol-Biedrins

Ellis-Fisher
Bryant-Morris
Barnes-World-Peace
Murphy-Caracter
Bynum-McBob

silverbrad
02-02-2012, 08:41 AM
He was overpaid last year too. Many people called his contract bad as soon as he was signed. At his best, he is a great offensive player but one dimensional. If he improves defense/rebounding consistently and regains his offensive game, then he may be worth his contract.

Let's not forget one thing about the STAT deal... before he signed NO ONE in the NBA wanted to be on the Knicks. We had a horrible front office, the worst owner in the game (still do), and were, at best, the worst place to play in the league. Signing Amar'e was as much about re branding the Knicks as it was about getting a good player. Look at the Nets... they've tried to trade for or sign every single free agent that the Knicks have, and then some, but without success. The one guy they did get (Deron) was because of a hasty decision after arguing publicly with Jerry Sloan, the front office of the Jazz got exactly what they wanted, and D-Will still has made zero commitment to that team. If there's one thing STAT brought to NYC it was credibility which, winning or losing, is very important in a flashy league like the NBA. And for all the haters, STAT has had ONE (1) bad month!!! Give the guy a friggin break!!! Let's get a pg who can PASS, some depth, and give this team a shot. It's insane how quick people wanna pull the trigger on this guy because of a month long slump...

Rockice_8
02-02-2012, 09:14 AM
Let's not forget one thing about the STAT deal... before he signed NO ONE in the NBA wanted to be on the Knicks. We had a horrible front office, the worst owner in the game (still do), and were, at best, the worst place to play in the league. Signing Amar'e was as much about re branding the Knicks as it was about getting a good player. Look at the Nets... they've tried to trade for or sign every single free agent that the Knicks have, and then some, but without success. The one guy they did get (Deron) was because of a hasty decision after arguing publicly with Jerry Sloan, the front office of the Jazz got exactly what they wanted, and D-Will still has made zero commitment to that team. If there's one thing STAT brought to NYC it was credibility which, winning or losing, is very important in a flashy league like the NBA. And for all the haters, STAT has had ONE (1) bad month!!! Give the guy a friggin break!!! Let's get a pg who can PASS, some depth, and give this team a shot. It's insane how quick people wanna pull the trigger on this guy because of a month long slump...

:bang:

You over paid Amare so he can bring you back to what? You team has been the biggest disappointment in the whole league. What is it with Knicks fans and the Nets? Stop comparing your team to the Nets, when you should be comparing yourself to the Heat. The Nets are an injured incomplete team yet when things go bad in NY you immediately bring up the Nets situation to what make yourself feel better? The Nets built a team of 1 year deals and have been completely ravaged by injuries. They had to sign Keith Bogans off waivers just to have 8 healthy bodies yesterday. The Knicks built their 3 headed monster team expecting to be contenders and all you have are 8 wins, same as the Nets, on a cake schedule.

D-Will has made plenty of statements that he wants to stay and win in Brooklyn so a thread about trading Pau and Amare has nothing to do with the Nets so let it go.

Edit: My apology to the real Knicks fans I didn't see his 22 posts.

aussie
02-02-2012, 09:16 AM
This year Calderon 10points 9 ast and 3 boards with only 1.8 TO a game. Barbosa former 6th man of the year an expiring 7 mil that you guys could use after this playoff run. Ed Davis a recent lottery pick averaging like 6 and 7 in very limited minutes. Gives Lakers the above average PG they need now, an expiring worth 7 mil and a useful 13ppg of the bench for this years playoffs and a young cheap defensive big, for Pau an aging big who averages what 18 and 8 and makes like 15 mil a year? pretty good deal dude

18 mil*

Weezy
02-02-2012, 09:20 AM
Wow Gasol for Amare does sound pretty fair not going to lie. Idk if it will happen though.

spreadeagle
02-02-2012, 10:05 AM
18 mil*

even more to my point lol if im paying 18 mil for one guy I want Wade Bron Durant Love Rose ect Pau at this point is worth 10 11 mil a yearish

NYYCowboys
02-02-2012, 10:36 AM
Romney is just going to get demolished by Obama in the debates. And there are going to be some interesting campaign moments the rest of the way till the Republican circus.

I'm an independent anyhow, and don't really mind Romney, not that different than Obama, but I would actually prefer Obama for a few reasons, including his tough national defense experience.

haha. but the democrats can just run the commercials of everything Gingrich is saying and putting in his commercials right now nationally, Gingrich is trashing the crap out of Romney in the debates and the ads, the democrats can just say "thank you" and roll the tape and let Gingrich say it for them

I disagree. Exit polling showed that Mitt did great in the past few debates in Florida and that really impacted him winning that primary. Obama's disgusting record will be exposed and if unemployment doesn't get better or worse I can not see him winning.



But trading Amare... If his numbers don't get any better once Baron Davis comes back then I think the Knicks gotta think hard about trying to get his awful contract off the books while trying to remain a factor in the east. I love the trade that someone else said Amare/Fields for Martin/Scola/Dragic.

PG-Davis
SG-Shumpert (for defense)
SF-Melo
PF-Scola
C-Chandler

6-Martin (starter minutes)
7-Dragic
8-Douglas
9-Harrelson
10-Jeffries
11-Balkman
12-Jordan


That is a solid team, and it addresses all the Knicks weaknesses (PG, Bench scoring, depth). If anyone knows James Dolan please pass this on to him.

JasonJohnHorn
02-02-2012, 11:08 AM
The Lakers should NOT trade Pau! Pau is the glue for that team. His interior passing is second to none, he can hit the open jumper or the open man, always makes the extra pass and defences have to stay on him hard because he is such a great offensive player. I love watching Gasol play, he's one of the few players I would pay money to watch play. He means more to the Lakers than I think most people realize.

DO NOT TRADE GASOL!!!!!

NYsFinest
02-02-2012, 11:12 AM
Since this forum likes to overreact Dallas should trade Dirk for Scola because Dirk is struggling even more than Amar'e

JasonJohnHorn
02-02-2012, 11:13 AM
But trading Amare... If his numbers don't get any better once Baron Davis comes back then I think the Knicks gotta think hard about trying to get his awful contract off the books while trying to remain a factor in the east. I love the trade that someone else said Amare/Fields for Martin/Scola/Dragic.


The problem with Amare's numbers isnt the point guard, its the coach. D'Antoni is running pick-and-roll plays with Chandler, who has no offesive weapons, which allows teams to follow the PG. Those plays were run for Amare last season, just like they were run for him in Phoenix, because he is a terror on offense. Run those plays for Amare instead of Chandler, Chandler gets all the looks he needs from his offensive rebounding and when defences fall apart trying to cover Melo and Amare.


This is a coaching problem. Not a play problem. NY will be in much better shape when Baron makes his debut, but in the meantime D'Antoni should be relying on BIBBY as a strating PG instead of the rookies he's been putting in. bibby has lost a step, but he still has the highest basketball IQ on that team.

NYsFinest
02-02-2012, 11:14 AM
Short term memory around here, Amar'e had 8 straight 30+ pt games this time last year... now he should be dumped for garbage because he is struggling.

Chill_Will_24
02-02-2012, 11:17 AM
:bang:

You over paid Amare so he can bring you back to what? You team has been the biggest disappointment in the whole league. What is it with Knicks fans and the Nets? Stop comparing your team to the Nets, when you should be comparing yourself to the Heat. The Nets are an injured incomplete team yet when things go bad in NY you immediately bring up the Nets situation to what make yourself feel better? The Nets built a team of 1 year deals and have been completely ravaged by injuries. They had to sign Keith Bogans off waivers just to have 8 healthy bodies yesterday. The Knicks built their 3 headed monster team expecting to be contenders and all you have are 8 wins, same as the Nets, on a cake schedule.

D-Will has made plenty of statements that he wants to stay and win in Brooklyn so a thread about trading Pau and Amare has nothing to do with the Nets so let it go.

Edit: My apology to the real Knicks fans I didn't see his 22 posts.

I guess Deron telling Chris Broussard who is the one writer that is close to Deron that his preferred option is to lead the Nets into Brooklyn is not good enough for Knicks fans.. nor is Dwight top and preferred choice being the Nets...

Some Knicks fans (like my best friend btw) refuse to believe that Deron and Dwight in Brooklyn while the Knicks struggle to make the playoffs with their "best frontline in the league" is a possibility till they see it...

Chill_Will_24
02-02-2012, 11:19 AM
Wow Gasol for Amare does sound pretty fair not going to lie. Idk if it will happen though.

Not for the Lakers

Amare's decline is coming faster than Gasol's.. Maybe Amare and Shumpert for Gasol

knickshottic
02-02-2012, 11:30 AM
Amare to cleavland for
sessions jamison and 2 first round picks...


Jamison 15 million expires this off season, Knicks go after Dwill. If Dwill signs elsewhere then the knicks have about 20 million in cap space plus a lottery pick to add to their roster... I don't think the Knicks get a star back for amare due to his contract and his injury problem..I don't think Melo and amare play good together and from here on amare value will decrease...

Noted free agents
Wilson chandler (restricted)
Raymon Felton ;-)

Possible line up with this trade starting next season

Dwill
Fields
Melo
Stretch 4 ala rayne Anderson
Chandler

Or

Felton
W.Chandler
Melo
^
T.Chandler

Rockice_8
02-02-2012, 11:30 AM
Amare's not going anywhere. Nobody wants that contract (at least not for another few years when it's expiring) and the NYK's value him too much to ever get fair return seems like it's not gonna happen. It's not that he's a bad player but the last 2-3 seasons on that contract are the scary ones that everyone thinks he's gonna break down.

They're gonna ride or die with this team and try to tinker here and there to make it work. Same with the Lakers they're gonna use that Odom TPE to add some depth and see what happens.

As for swapping them. It's not a terrible trade since I think both teams would benefit. NY from Pau's post ability/passing and LA on Amare's physical play in the paint (offensively at least). I still think each would be reluctant to do it.

MOREY=MONEY
02-02-2012, 11:38 AM
Knicks trade Amare and Fields for Scola-KMart-Dragic... Both teams improve:

Knicks:
PG - Dragic/Douglas
SG - KMart/Shumpert
SF - Melo/Walker/Balkman
PF - Scola/Harrelson
C - Chandler/Jeffries

Rockets:
PG - Lowry/Flynn
SG - Fields/Lee
SF - Budinger/TWill
PF - Stat/Patterson
C - Dalembert/Thabeet

Win-win right?



I doubt the Rockets do this deal with the way Stat is currently performing.

MOREY=MONEY
02-02-2012, 11:47 AM
Frye,Brown,Lopez to the Rockets

Scola,Martin,Dragic to the Knicks

Amare to the suns



This deal sounds more to Houston's liking with the minor adjustment of Childress instead of Frye and Gortat instead of Lopez. The Rockets in turn could give the suns Budinger.

Now that is a win win win for all.

Gortat, Childress, Brown to Rockets

Scola, Martin, Dragic to Knicks

Amare, Budinger to Suns :clap:

FrenchSunsFan
02-02-2012, 11:54 AM
There s no way to trade STAT:bang::no::crazy:

tyfreaks brotha
02-02-2012, 12:01 PM
Evans
Hickson
Top 10 protected first in 2013

For

Amar'e
Fields
:pray: Not likely but maybe... Just maybe :shrug:

sp1derm00
02-02-2012, 12:37 PM
I think what might happen is... the Lakers will sign Kenyon Martin by telling him Gasol's gonna get shipped out for a PG and he'll start.

Then, the Lakers would offer up Gasol for Rondo.

Rondo, Kobe, Barnes/Artest, Martin, Bynum

Sounds like a really good defensive lineup to me.

Gibby23
02-02-2012, 12:52 PM
I think what might happen is... the Lakers will sign Kenyon Martin by telling him Gasol's gonna get shipped out for a PG and he'll start.

Then, the Lakers would offer up Gasol for Rondo.

Rondo, Kobe, Barnes/Artest, Martin, Bynum

Sounds like a really good defensive lineup to me.

The Celtics wouldn't trade Rondo for Gasol. They might for Bynum, but no chance they do a Gasol for Rondo swap.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
02-02-2012, 12:56 PM
Stephen Jackson better be dealt soon!

thephoenixson28
02-02-2012, 01:24 PM
if they wouldn't offer him a guaranteed contract, what makes u think they will trade for one now?To compete. If we don't have to give up much, and land amare we will be good. Our training staff is the best so, I will take our chances.

theLgndKllr35
02-02-2012, 02:09 PM
I think what might happen is... the Lakers will sign Kenyon Martin by telling him Gasol's gonna get shipped out for a PG and he'll start.

Then, the Lakers would offer up Gasol for Rondo.

Rondo, Kobe, Barnes/Artest, Martin, Bynum

Sounds like a really good defensive lineup to me.

Gasol and who?

jmkh
02-02-2012, 02:10 PM
amare for gasol straight up.

id rather keep gasol

shep33
02-02-2012, 02:15 PM
id rather keep gasol

amen

gotoHcarolina52
02-02-2012, 02:37 PM
Here's a very sensible and fair trade between the Knicks and Bucks

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xe5684

uprightciti
02-02-2012, 02:39 PM
Here's a very sensible and fair trade between the Knicks and Bucks

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xe5684

"Being good is good, that’ll get you Drew Gooden
But me, I want Jordan numbers, LeBron footin’" ~~~J. Cole

no that trade sucks

JordansBulls
02-02-2012, 04:34 PM
Pau Gasol will definitely be gone before the deadline. And it wont be for howard, most likely for a package headed by an above-average pg. Lakers dont need Howard with a healthy bynum, they're just an above-average pg and some decent bench players away from contending.

They havent had a pointguard in over a decade. Fisher is not a pointguard (by definition) and they just stopped using the triangle after a decade of it, which means a pg is needed now.

So would the Lakers trade Gasol for Deron

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-02-2012, 04:39 PM
Evans
Hickson
Top 10 protected first in 2013

For

Amar'e
Fields
:pray: Not likely but maybe... Just maybe :shrug:

Why would u do that, it would be horrible for the kings.

smith&wesson
02-02-2012, 04:49 PM
How bout gasol straight up for amare :shrug:

onlythisfar41
02-02-2012, 04:56 PM
How bout gasol straight up for amare :shrug:

You're like the 100th person to suggest this, anyway I would actually like this deal but I have a feeling the Lakers would not. But for me as a Knicks fan, getting a back to the basket big would be the best thing we could do.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-02-2012, 04:58 PM
How bout gasol straight up for amare :shrug:

terrible contract and amare is worse than gasol

smith&wesson
02-02-2012, 05:03 PM
WELL ppl should get serious about what gasol could net them. you really think you can do better then amare in a straight up deal for gasol. i would be very interested to see who. u have to consider age here.

Gibby23
02-02-2012, 05:44 PM
WELL ppl should get serious about what gasol could net them. you really think you can do better then amare in a straight up deal for gasol. i would be very interested to see who. u have to consider age here.

I think Gasol's game will last longer than Amare's just because he doesn't rely on athleticism like Amare does.

DLCK
02-02-2012, 05:52 PM
I think both fan bases (llakers knicks) need to stop thinking they will get younger and better by trading gasol or amare. They may get younger but they wont get the impact players they r expecting. If lakers want skill and quantity they should revisit Houston trade talks.Other wise u wont get full value in any trade. As for amare they should.just hope for picks and salary dump.

blue bleeder09
02-02-2012, 06:01 PM
The issue is.. who can Gasol actually net us, that is worth it?

I say make a deal with golden state warriors for either curry or monte could help both teams out

DoubleDragon
02-02-2012, 06:08 PM
WELL ppl should get serious about what gasol could net them. you really think you can do better then amare in a straight up deal for gasol. i would be very interested to see who. u have to consider age here.

Well the way Amare's performing (and don't get me wrong, he's a monster talent normally), I think a consistent and big skilled man like Pau could net Amare and a PG (Fields?). Maybe I'm too optimistic. I'm sure the Lakers would have to throw a pick their way as well, but the Laker's need a PG, but not at a wholesale shedding of their front line talent. I suspect a 3 team deal (which I guess isn't a stretch), but I personally would love to see D-Will in the purple and gold, or some kind of finagling to land Rondo in L.A..

It's gonna get interesting, if nothing else.

smith&wesson
02-02-2012, 06:13 PM
I think Gasol's game will last longer than Amare's just because he doesn't rely on athleticism like Amare does.

No arguement there.

but imo amare is still a very good player. did you not watch him play last year ? obviously theres chemistry issues on that team this season.

and if gasol is so hot why is he on the trading block. who do you think you can get in a straight up trade thats better then stat.

boriquaabe
02-02-2012, 06:17 PM
Knick fan: I would definitely welcome an Amar'e for Gasol trade. It gives us a good passing low post up player with a nice back to the basket game which would blend perfectly with Melo and the team would be able to run the triangle. Then if you strike out on Phil after you fire Mike you can go after Shaw.

smith&wesson
02-02-2012, 06:18 PM
Well the way Amare's performing (and don't get me wrong, he's a monster talent normally), I think a consistent and big skilled man like Pau could net Amare and a PG (Fields?). Maybe I'm too optimistic. I'm sure the Lakers would have to throw a pick their way as well, but the Laker's need a PG, but not at a wholesale shedding of their front line talent. I suspect a 3 team deal (which I guess isn't a stretch), but I personally would love to see D-Will in the purple and gold, or some kind of finagling to land Rondo in L.A..

It's gonna get interesting, if nothing else.

Amare was a beast last year up until melo showed up. obviously there are chemistry issues on that team but stat is still the same player. and while i agree that gasol is the better overall player i think there is a reason he is on the block as well. and your not going to get much better then amare straight up for gasol imo.

boriquaabe
02-02-2012, 06:24 PM
Amare was a beast last year up until melo showed up. obviously there are chemistry issues on that team but stat is still the same player. and while i agree that gasol is the better overall player i think there is a reason he is on the block as well. and your not going to get much better then amare straight up for gasol imo.

That's not exactly accurate. He was a turnover machine during the 2-8 run and then got on a nice run. Then he started showing signs of fatigue.

smith&wesson
02-02-2012, 06:38 PM
That's not exactly accurate. He was a turnover machine during the 2-8 run and then got on a nice run. Then he started showing signs of fatigue.

It is acurate and he was a beast least year before melo showed.

he was the lone star on a team trying to lead them to the playoffs and he was doing a great job. i watched every knick game last year. u must be looking at numbers on a paper. doesnt tell the whole story brah.

and also your post doesnt answer the question. who do you think gasol can get you in a straight up trade thats better then amare right now ?

Gibby23
02-02-2012, 07:02 PM
It is acurate and he was a beast least year before melo showed.

he was the lone star on a team trying to lead them to the playoffs and he was doing a great job. i watched every knick game last year. u must be looking at numbers on a paper. doesnt tell the whole story brah.

and also your post doesnt answer the question. who do you think gasol can get you in a straight up trade thats better then amare right now ?

Thats true, he was a beast before Melo showed, but the lakers have Kobe, no PG to get Amare easy points, and he wouldn't even be the 1st post option on the Lakers.

kblo247
02-02-2012, 07:06 PM
Ellis for Gasol?

Curry-Robinson
Rush-Thompson
Wright-McGuire
Lee-Udoh
Gasol-Biedrins

Ellis-Fisher
Bryant-Morris
Barnes-World-Peace
Murphy-Caracter
Bynum-McBob

Not terrible if LA could get Kenyon to sign with them. I think Blake and Goudelock would see time as well. I really like Kobe at SF and cutting Ron out the rotation or making him the starting PF like Anthony mason at this stage of his career

lakersfan01
02-02-2012, 07:20 PM
The issue is.. who can Gasol actually net us, that is worth it?

Deron Williams or no deal. Or better get in return a damn good pf and damn good pg for Gasol.

smith&wesson
02-02-2012, 07:22 PM
Thats true, he was a beast before Melo showed, but the lakers have Kobe, no PG to get Amare easy points, and he wouldn't even be the 1st post option on the Lakers.

Hmmm thats also true .. i agree

lakersfan01
02-02-2012, 07:23 PM
No arguement there.

but imo amare is still a very good player. did you not watch him play last year ? obviously theres chemistry issues on that team this season.

and if gasol is so hot why is he on the trading block. who do you think you can get in a straight up trade thats better then stat.

If you're talking Gasol for Amare, absolutely no way. Pau Gasol has owned him in the playoffs. Amare doesn't rebound and isn't as big. Also, Pau Gasol has proved to be extremely durable and is by far a better passer.

J4KOP99
02-02-2012, 07:32 PM
Trading Pau for Amare would be a huge mistake for LA, IMO. Gasol is the better player, first off. Secondly, why would the Lakers want to swap PF's? They need a PG. This trade wouldn't solve any of the Lakers current problems although Amare would bring some serious athleticism to the front line, pairing with Bynum.

I wouldn't do it though. Amare has an extra year on his deal too, and makes more $$ annually.

smith&wesson
02-02-2012, 07:37 PM
If you're talking Gasol for Amare, absolutely no way. Pau Gasol has owned him in the playoffs. Amare doesn't rebound and isn't as big. Also, Pau Gasol has proved to be extremely durable and is by far a better passer.

SO why do the lakers want to move him ?

and the question was who do you think u could get for gasol straight up thats better then amare.

the question isnt if gasol is better then amare.

im not asking who is the better player.

Gibby23
02-02-2012, 07:50 PM
SO why do the lakers want to move him ?

and the question was who do you think u could get for gasol straight up thats better then amare.

the question isnt if gasol is better then amare.

im not asking who is the better player.

They want to move him to upgrade the PG and SF position.

AI4MVP
02-02-2012, 07:53 PM
gasol for derrick williams and jj barea?

Sssmush
02-03-2012, 03:18 AM
I disagree. Exit polling showed that Mitt did great in the past few debates in Florida and that really impacted him winning that primary. Obama's disgusting record will be exposed and if unemployment doesn't get better or worse I can not see him winning.


LoL "Obama's disgusting record"

haha. Obama shows integrity, which is why the big business owned conservative media is so up in arms about him.

Romney. What a laugh. Like I said, I'm not concerned about it, if he wins, he is actually very, very similar to Obama. I don't think he will win, I'm quite sure that he isn't half as bright as Obama, and he will get really exposed in head to head debates. But hey, he has a chance.

at least the Republicans aren't on their neo-fascist semi-racist xtian Tea Party trip anymore though. By nominating a moderate, non-Southern, non-Christian candidate for president, they are signalling a change toward the center.

part of it is their polling showed them they were in trouble with all the craziness, and the congress is ready to get dumped big time. But the other part is that, although most republicans said they wanted to nominate somebody else, Romney simply has too much money and can run too many ads, and everybody just basically concedes that he can't lose the primary because of the money factor. So, that's the republican party for you, right there. Now everybody gets on board with him, everybody that trashed him in 2011, Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck, FOX news, basically everybody, will jump on the Romney bandwagon, and you can all vote for him.

I don't think he'll win but I'm not worried, I think they're coming back from the brink. I think having a black president just made a lot of the southern and midwestern repubs a bit crazy, but now they can all take a bite of the Romney sandwich, whether they like it or not. That means every republican can take their purity test and shove it up their ***