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Alayla
01-31-2012, 07:57 PM
He has went from being a top 16 or so 2 way PG on the rise to a turnover monster with no real position!! :mad: whats more is he seems to actually be regressing, (so is John wall for that madder from what Ive seen) i had such high expectations for Jrue coming into the season but hes nowhere close to them hes not even as good as last year. and i think if the sixers ever truly want to improve eather Jrue needs to be expermented with as a starting 2 and have eather Turner or IGGY runs the point
somthing like
Iggy
Jrue
Turner
Brand
Hawes

or Jrue just needs to be moved for someone of equal value before his stock plummets
The saddest thing is i want to believe he can bounce back and prove me wrong and im even wearing a Holiday jersey as we speak but something has to give!
I'd like to think im wrong so what does everyone think about Holiday as of now what role and position would he be best suited for what type of pieces does he need around him? will he ever be an all-star?

Sportfan
01-31-2012, 08:02 PM
jrue vucevic and turner for rondo and ray :nod:

bholly
01-31-2012, 08:04 PM
I think this is more of a Sixers forum thing. All this is going to do is invite silly trade ideas, even though there's no chance he gets moved.

And FWIW he's turning it over slightly less than last year.

Alayla
01-31-2012, 08:06 PM
I think this is more of a Sixers forum thing. All this is going to do is invite silly trade ideas, even though there's no chance he gets moved.

And FWIW he's turning it over slightly less than last year.

He was also passing the ball WAY better last year

pd7631
01-31-2012, 08:09 PM
ummm, he's really not playing much different from last year. Is he progressing this year, no. But I don't see how you can be in such freakout mode about the way he's played this year. His turnovers are actually down from last year, so you're already wrong about him becoming some sort of turnover monster this year. His assists and rebounds are down a bit, but I think that's as much a product of a healthier Iguodala and the improvement of Evan Turner as much as anything.

The team is 15-6 and playing its best basketball since 2002-2003, chill out

bholly
01-31-2012, 08:13 PM
He was also passing the ball WAY better last year

Okay. So why not make that your argument? Out of all those words in your post, you only make one actual comment about how or in what way his game has declined, and it isn't really true - I'm just saying that doesn't really help your argument.

Lim
01-31-2012, 08:13 PM
i wouldn't say he regressed, just hasn't improved much at all. and for that i blame iggy. why haven't we traded that ****ing idiot yet?

bholly
01-31-2012, 08:15 PM
i wouldn't say he regressed, just hasn't improved much at all. and for that i blame iggy. why haven't we traded that ****ing idiot yet?

Explain this, please.

Alayla
01-31-2012, 08:20 PM
ummm, he's really not playing much different from last year. Is he progressing this year, no. But I don't see how you can be in such freakout mode about the way he's played this year. His turnovers are actually down from last year, so you're already wrong about him becoming some sort of turnover monster this year. His assists and rebounds are down a bit, but I think that's as much a product of a healthier Iguodala and the improvement of Evan Turner as much as anything.

The team is 15-6 and playing its best basketball since 2002-2003, chill out

Dont get me wrong the TEAM is playing well,
and mabye my expectations where just out of line but to say his turnovers are not a problem is crazy, and dont try and tell me his turnovers going down isnt a direct result of his assits dropping
my point is id take his play last year over his play this year and thats a really ugly sign imo

beasted86
01-31-2012, 08:22 PM
Fantasy owner overreaction?

sixer04fan
01-31-2012, 08:25 PM
i wouldn't say he regressed, just hasn't improved much at all. and for that i blame iggy. why haven't we traded that ****ing idiot yet?

People like this know nothing about basketball.

scutch11
01-31-2012, 08:26 PM
go **** yourself. never question me EVER. do you know who the **** you are talking to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKXwj7ZrHIc#t=04m10s

Alayla
01-31-2012, 08:26 PM
SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'09-'10

PHI

73 51 24.2 3.2-7.1 .442 0.8-2.2 .390 0.9-1.2 .756 0.8 1.9 2.6 3.8 0.2 1.1 2.1 2.1 8.0
'10-'11

PHI

82 82 35.4 5.4-12.2 .446 1.0-2.7 .365 2.1-2.5 .823 0.8 3.2 4.0 6.5 0.4 1.5 2.5 2.7 14.0
'11-'12

PHI

21 21 35.5 5.7-13.3 .430 1.2-3.0 .397 1.6-1.9 .872 0.9 2.3 3.2 4.7 0.1 1.8 1.7 2.6 14.2
Career 176 154 30.8 4.5-10.2 .443 1.0-2.5 .378 1.5-1.9 .811 0.8 2.5 3.3 5.2 0.3 1.3 2.2 2.4 11.5

sixer04fan
01-31-2012, 08:28 PM
SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'09-'10

PHI

73 51 24.2 3.2-7.1 .442 0.8-2.2 .390 0.9-1.2 .756 0.8 1.9 2.6 3.8 0.2 1.1 2.1 2.1 8.0
'10-'11

PHI

82 82 35.4 5.4-12.2 .446 1.0-2.7 .365 2.1-2.5 .823 0.8 3.2 4.0 6.5 0.4 1.5 2.5 2.7 14.0
'11-'12

PHI

21 21 35.5 5.7-13.3 .430 1.2-3.0 .397 1.6-1.9 .872 0.9 2.3 3.2 4.7 0.1 1.8 1.7 2.6 14.2
Career 176 154 30.8 4.5-10.2 .443 1.0-2.5 .378 1.5-1.9 .811 0.8 2.5 3.3 5.2 0.3 1.3 2.2 2.4 11.5

Haha. Yes, that's really easy to follow...

Alayla
01-31-2012, 08:28 PM
going from 2.7 to 2.6 isnt exactly an impovement when his assits drop from 6.5 to 4.7

bholly
01-31-2012, 08:39 PM
going from 2.7 to 2.6 isnt exactly an impovement when his assits drop from 6.5 to 4.7

no, but it doesn't signify turning into a turnover monster either, which is what i was objecting to.

is this really all just based on a couple of raw stats? after 21 games?

sixer04fan
01-31-2012, 08:44 PM
Our offensive system isn't exactly designed for the PG to rack up assists. Lots of fast breaks. Everyone scores, everyone distributes. His TO's are down slightly from last year. Just because his assists are as well does not mean he's a "turnover monster" or whatever you called him.

The kid is 21 years old, and the starting point guard for a team that is 15-6. He's had some rough moments, but overall, he's doing fine. Relax.

blahblahyoutoo
01-31-2012, 08:54 PM
i blame mike d'antoni.

Iversonfan4life
01-31-2012, 09:18 PM
and hes an excellent defender. i predict he average around 6 assists a game again at the end of the year.

smith&wesson
01-31-2012, 09:51 PM
i wouldn't say he regressed, just hasn't improved much at all. and for that i blame iggy. why haven't we traded that ****ing idiot yet?

Because he is a good player and the 76ers are actually playing well so why move him ?

NYtilIdie
01-31-2012, 09:59 PM
I thought he was having a solid year :shrug:

Lim
01-31-2012, 10:06 PM
Because he is a good player and the 76ers are actually playing well so why move him ?

you'd be an awful gm. I want to win chips not be decent

sixer04fan
01-31-2012, 10:15 PM
Lim, you're usually at least good for the hot chicks in your sig. Now, you're just wasting everyone's time.

dibacco59
01-31-2012, 10:17 PM
he is a 21 year old kid. growing pains. wait til he gets over this wall he hit

sixer04fan
01-31-2012, 10:18 PM
the next girl in my sig will be a BBW just to piss u off. F U

Damn it!

Swashcuff
01-31-2012, 11:11 PM
Facts about the Philadelphia 76ers #1 in the entire NBA in TO% and #1 in A/TO ratio. Also #6 in assists per game.

So say what you want about Jrue Holiday but as a team the 76ers have been doing a great job of passing effectively, efficiently and taking care of the ball. It goes both ways. Jrue has a lot to do with this.

Jrue Holiday is directly responsible for the fact that we rank so well in these important categories.

Jrue is #7 among all starting PGs in terms of TOV% so if you really think something is wrong with him in that regard then something is wrong with the entire league. He isn't the player we'd hope he'd be but the season is still very young and considering the fact that we are among the league leaders in assists its not its absolutely critical that gets 7-8 a game. What matters is that he does what is asked of him by the coaches and that he helps us continue our winning ways.

If it aint broke don't fix it.

mvb815
01-31-2012, 11:25 PM
if they trade jrue he would be packaged with brand for a good big man imo

lou has been lights out, give him the starting spot

Lim
01-31-2012, 11:27 PM
Facts about the Philadelphia 76ers #1 in the entire NBA in TO% and #1 in A/TO ratio. Also #6 in assists per game.

So say what you want about Jrue Holiday but as a team the 76ers have been doing a great job of passing effectively, efficiently and taking care of the ball. It goes both ways. Jrue has a lot to do with this.

Jrue Holiday is directly responsible for the fact that we rank so well in these important categories.

Jrue is #7 among all starting PGs in terms of TOV% so if you really think something is wrong with him in that regard then something is wrong with the entire league. He isn't the player we'd hope he'd be but the season is still very young and considering the fact that we are among the league leaders in assists its not its absolutely critical that gets 7-8 a game. What matters is that he does what is asked of him by the coaches and that he helps us continue our winning ways.

If it aint broke don't fix it.

i dont think u can say this until we win a championship

Swashcuff
01-31-2012, 11:31 PM
i dont think u can say this until we win a championship

Did Marc Cuban trade away Dirk Nowitzki? He kept sticking with the same concept for over a decade and it paid dividends eventually. If you're crazy enough to think only when you win a title this is applicable then you need to stop following professional sports. There are many stages before becoming a champion and finding your winning formula then ironing out the kinks is a major part of that.

I can certainly say that way before we win a title.

Swashcuff
01-31-2012, 11:33 PM
if they trade jrue he would be packaged with brand for a good big man imo

lou has been lights out, give him the starting spot

Lou Williams lacks the natural ability to read an opposing D, to maintain his poise to control the flow of a game etc to run an effective point for us. We'd be way worst if Lou was our starting PG.

Trading Jrue now makes no sense especially given the fact that we aren't a 3rd of the way through the season.

Lim
01-31-2012, 11:34 PM
Did Marc Cuban trade away Dirk Nowitzki? He kept sticking with the same concept for over a decade and it paid dividends eventually. If you're crazy enough to think only when you win a title this is applicable then you need to stop following professional sports. There are many stages before becoming a champion and finding your winning formula then ironing out the kinks is a major part of that.

I can certainly say that way before we win a title.

we dont have a superstar tho, thats apples and oranges

Swashcuff
01-31-2012, 11:39 PM
we dont have a superstar tho, thats apples and oranges

Point being right now we've found a winning formula right now haven't we? So why should Jrue go messing with that by trying to do something that would likely go against what we have going? There is nothing wrong with us there is nothing wrong with Jrue. He'll find his footing as the season progresses.

Lim
01-31-2012, 11:49 PM
Point being right now we've found a winning formula right now haven't we? So why should Jrue go messing with that by trying to do something that would likely go against what we have going? There is nothing wrong with us there is nothing wrong with Jrue. He'll find his footing as the season progresses.

too early to tell. this whole team is a black hole until proven otherwise.

theducksmuggler
02-01-2012, 09:52 AM
i think this an extreme over reaction by the OP but being a sixers fan and watching every game so far, i always find myself at least 3-4 times a game yelling at the tv or doing a facepalm because of how poor of a basketball decision jrue just made...does anyone else seem to notice that? Other then that he is still a young up and coming point guard still figuring his game out give him some time.

Chronz
02-01-2012, 01:56 PM
Didnt this happen last year, he got off to a rocky start running the O before Doug C made the switch to Iggy.

Vincent
02-01-2012, 02:51 PM
To be honest, who have the 76ers played (and won) to be considered a top 3 team in the East?

I've only counted 3 quality wins, ATL (without Hortford), a young Indy team at home, and a struggling Magic team (which I found pretty impressive).

They've beat the Wizards (worst team in the league) 3 times, and Detroit (2nd worst team in the league) 2 times. That counts for 1/3 of their wins so far.

Just because you can beat the D-League teams of the league doesn't it's a winning formula.

Jrue Holiday is a fine young player, maybe he's being handcuffed by Iggy or Doug Collins, not really sure. But he needs to take it up another level to become an All-Star.

I don't think the 76ers have the firepower to truly compete. I really think they need to consolidate a few of their pieces and get an All-Star, or try to develop one of their pieces into an All-Star. And if that means trading Holiday... it doesn't seem like that ridiculous of a notion.

ogkush
02-01-2012, 03:23 PM
one of the reasons why his assists are down is because as a team they are moving the ball in the half court much better than last year. if you would actually watch the games you would notice that if the guy he passes to would take the shot he would probably have more assists. but instead they swing it for better looks and that is why they have been playing good basketball. if they had assists like they do in hockey im sure he would be close to 8 or 9 a game

mRc08
02-01-2012, 03:42 PM
To be honest, who have the 76ers played (and won) to be considered a top 3 team in the East?

I've only counted 3 quality wins, ATL (without Hortford), a young Indy team at home, and a struggling Magic team (which I found pretty impressive).

They've beat the Wizards (worst team in the league) 3 times, and Detroit (2nd worst team in the league) 2 times. That counts for 1/3 of their wins so far.

Just because you can beat the D-League teams of the league doesn't it's a winning formula.

Jrue Holiday is a fine young player, maybe he's being handcuffed by Iggy or Doug Collins, not really sure. But he needs to take it up another level to become an All-Star.

I don't think the 76ers have the firepower to truly compete. I really think they need to consolidate a few of their pieces and get an All-Star, or try to develop one of their pieces into an All-Star. And if that means trading Holiday... it doesn't seem like that ridiculous of a notion.

Lets see how they fair against the bulls tonight should be a good game :clap:. And how holiday plays against rose, should be interesting to observe after reading this thread

ramz.n
02-01-2012, 03:42 PM
lets be serious now..hes not the focal point of the offense, its iggy, brand, turner off the bench, lou off the bench than its holiday as the scoring options.

2-ONE-5
02-01-2012, 04:06 PM
This should be in the Sixers forum. This is something that a Knicks fan would post to the main forum