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Longhornfan1234
01-28-2012, 08:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycp4le0hAyw

chicago lulz
01-28-2012, 08:22 PM
These days, I don't even know what constitutes a travel. Looked like two steps after the dribble, possibly three, but looked like two to me, so no travel.

king4day
01-28-2012, 08:26 PM
Nope. Looked clean to me.
To argue this would be to argue being allowed to take 3 steps on fast breaks.

TO Rapz
01-28-2012, 08:29 PM
Looked fine to me.

daleja424
01-28-2012, 08:30 PM
Two steps

But haters gunna hate.

Sly Guy
01-28-2012, 08:31 PM
no travel. He began the 'bound' kinda movement before the ball came off the floor back into his hand, after that it was 2 steps, so no, no travel.

Raps18-19 Champ
01-28-2012, 08:35 PM
You need to take 3 steps after the ball touches your hand for it to be a travel.

So if the ball is still in a 'bounce motion', the steps taken cannot be used when calling a travel.

adidas2307
01-28-2012, 08:44 PM
Nope, not a travel.

Hawkeye15
01-28-2012, 08:49 PM
not even close. That wouldn't have been a travel in the NCAA's.

Young and Stupid
01-28-2012, 08:51 PM
Uh, are you guys being facetious?

By basketball standards, that was clearly a travel -- it was an illegal hopstep. However, by the NBA's standards, that's nothing.

Nick O
01-28-2012, 08:52 PM
i dunno... certainly not in the NBA... by official basketball rules? .. ya that looks like a travel

tmacsc2
01-28-2012, 09:13 PM
can we clarify what a "pro hop" is? That look like a clean pro hop and therefore no travel.

Hawkeye15
01-28-2012, 09:52 PM
didn't notice the hop step. Totally legal in the NBA, but a travel at lower levels.

kozelkid
01-28-2012, 10:08 PM
Uh, are you guys being facetious?

By basketball standards, that was clearly a travel -- it was an illegal hopstep. However, by the NBA's standards, that's nothing.

Bingo. That's how I saw it. The number of steps was irrelevant here, it's the hopstep which was illegal since he didn't land on two feet at the same time. Therefore, technically, it's clearly a travel.

Either way, this is the NBA. You should know better. What's the motto... If it looks cool, rules don't matter?

Slug3
01-28-2012, 10:12 PM
can we clarify what a "pro hop" is? That look like a clean pro hop and therefore no travel.

If you hop off one foot you cannot land on that same foot. That is a travel.

Fnom11
01-28-2012, 10:42 PM
Doesn't matter, it was hilarious.

Slug3
01-28-2012, 10:55 PM
Bingo. That's how I saw it. The number of steps was irrelevant here, it's the hopstep which was illegal since he didn't land on two feet at the same time. Therefore, technically, it's clearly a travel.

Either way, this is the NBA. You should know better. What's the motto... If it looks cool, rules don't matter?

Can you find the rule on this? Not that I am trying to argue with you because I really want to know. I just always thought with the jump stop you just couldn't leave one foot and then have that same foot be the first to touch down.

awesomeovie8
01-28-2012, 10:59 PM
In the nba there is no such thing. Especially against stars

kozelkid
01-28-2012, 11:07 PM
Can you find the rule on this? Not that I am trying to argue with you because I really want to know. I just always thought with the jump stop you just couldn't leave one foot and then have that same foot be the first to touch down.

No, you're right. You can jump off one foot, but need to land on 2. I don't know why I even said hop off two feet at same time is necessary...

bholly
01-28-2012, 11:07 PM
Watched it on slow motion. No idea where you guys are seeing the hop step. It's left right left right the whole way.

But anyway, even though I'm rusty on the rules, I'm pretty sure it's a travel. On slow motion you can see the ball comes into his hand from the last dribble when the right foot is still on the floor (but it's quite close). That makes the left foot his first step, then the right foot (when he raises the ball up and cuts back across the defender) his second, then he takes one more right before shooting.

3 steps after gathering the ball = travel.

Federal Reserve
01-28-2012, 11:10 PM
It's the crab dribble.

kozelkid
01-28-2012, 11:11 PM
Watched it on slow motion. No idea where you guys are seeing the hop step. It's left right left right the whole way.

But anyway, even though I'm rusty on the rules, I'm pretty sure it's a travel. On slow motion you can see the ball comes into his hand from the last dribble when the right foot is still on the floor (but it's quite close). That makes the left foot his first step, then the right foot (when he raises the ball up and cuts back across the defender) his second, then he takes one more right before shooting.

3 steps after gathering the ball = travel.

When he crossed over, he left the floor with both feet, by definition that means he has to land with a hop step (i.e. both feet need to land on the floor at same time) or it's a travel. Not only did he not land it, but he proceeded with two more steps.

So call it what you want... an illegal hop step, taking steps after the hop step, or even if you don't consider it a hop step, as you mentioned, it would then be 3 steps.

Slug3
01-28-2012, 11:15 PM
To be honest. There are probably 50 travels a game that dont get called. Lol

bholly
01-28-2012, 11:21 PM
I took some screenshots:

A. Ball is gathered when his right foot is still on the floor, and left hasn't hit the floor yet:
http://i.imgur.com/fI94D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1SEDM.jpg

B. Steps with the left (step 1):
http://i.imgur.com/souiN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xstgZ.jpg

C. Steps with the right (step 2):
http://i.imgur.com/bNZt1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TbVo0.jpg

D. Steps with the left again (step 3)
http://i.imgur.com/T8Qcb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7sgNU.jpg

Travel. They're also all separate steps - he never has both feet on the ground (and therefore never leaves with both at the same time).

justOmazing
01-28-2012, 11:37 PM
who cares. that was humiliating.

NYKalltheway
01-28-2012, 11:38 PM
It's definitely a travel... but in this NBA they don't know what "carrying", "travelling", "double dribble" etc means anymore so it's only natural that people will say it's not a travel.

blahblahyoutoo
01-28-2012, 11:48 PM
2 very big steps.

Tmath
01-28-2012, 11:55 PM
It was a crab dribble.

Hawkeye15
01-29-2012, 03:10 PM
can't believe anyone cares about this. A ton of players do it.

DChibes
01-29-2012, 03:14 PM
nope Blake does the same thing...not a travel

hgtiger32
01-29-2012, 03:21 PM
Not a travel.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't players get 2.5 steps. By that I mean 2 steps and a gather.

NYKalltheway
01-29-2012, 03:30 PM
can't believe anyone cares about this. A ton of players do it.

so it's a serious issue... ;)

KnicksR4Real
01-29-2012, 03:47 PM
No travel. Clean play.

sf-fanatic
01-29-2012, 04:38 PM
Travel.

Would love to see the NBA be more strict on calling travels. Lebron and Wade would probably lead the league in turnovers.

kjoke
01-29-2012, 05:16 PM
Lebron and Wade pretty much already lead the league in to

YoungOne
01-29-2012, 05:24 PM
clearly 3 steps...
but I see at least 10 uncalled travels a game, so that will never change...

gotoHcarolina52
01-29-2012, 05:40 PM
That was nasty. Quite a play.

lavilevi23
01-30-2012, 01:49 AM
No travel, OP is a HEAT and Wade hater.

PhillyBoomerang
01-30-2012, 03:20 PM
Clean.. no traveling here

MagicHero3
01-30-2012, 04:09 PM
if only refs could stop time and take screenshots

beasted86
01-30-2012, 04:12 PM
you need to take 3 steps after the ball touches your hand for it to be a travel.

So if the ball is still in a 'bounce motion', the steps taken cannot be used when calling a travel.

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