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JordansBulls
01-27-2012, 03:58 PM
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7502655/how-2008-nba-draft-go-now

Confusious
01-27-2012, 04:00 PM
Chalmers over Augustin? Oh yeah right.

Hawkeye15
01-27-2012, 04:02 PM
The first 4 are easy
Rose
Love
Westbrook
Gordon

It gets tougher after that.

Confusious
01-27-2012, 04:03 PM
Yup, from there you draft by team need, I suppose.

BallIsAll
01-27-2012, 04:05 PM
id pick gallo over lopez and hibbert over lopez... defense counts. Look good tho.

BallIsAll
01-27-2012, 04:05 PM
Chalmers over Augustin? Oh yeah right.

chalmers is better than augustin, augustin = trash.

Rockice_8
01-27-2012, 04:06 PM
Top 5 looks right with Rose, Love, Westbrook, Gordon, and Lopez. I'd probably just swap Lopez and Gordon since C's are more important then SG's.

Bob_at_york
01-27-2012, 04:07 PM
I am surprised they have Jason Thompson on the list but not McGee or Ryan Anderson.

Rockice_8
01-27-2012, 04:13 PM
id pick gallo over lopez and hibbert over lopez... defense counts. Look good tho.

No chance Lopez is worlds better then Hibbert. Hibbert is one of the most overrated players I see on here. He shot 46% from the field last year so if he gets a pass for that then Lopez gets a pass for his down rebounding season. Gallo is right where he's supposed to be at 6.

John Walls Era
01-27-2012, 04:13 PM
I am surprised they have Jason Thompson on the list but not McGee or Ryan Anderson.

I guess the voters want a winning team?

BallIsAll
01-27-2012, 04:17 PM
No chance Lopez is worlds better then Hibbert. Hibbert is one of the most overrated players I see on here. He shot 46% from the field last year so if he gets a pass for that then Lopez gets a pass for his down rebounding season. Gallo is right where he's supposed to be at 6.

Lopez put up 20ppg on a team with scrubs and couldn't rebound the ball. Gallo is better than lopez and still has room to grow. Hibberts is ok offensively and a way better defender and rebounder than lopez. Lopez is a mediocre center.

Heediot
01-27-2012, 04:17 PM
The top 6 is pretty much nailed. This was a pretty stacked draft.

da ThRONe
01-27-2012, 04:24 PM
I think Beasley is too low. They guy can get you 20 a night right now and he still haven't found his nba groove.

here's my list


Your Rankings


1.Derrick Rose


2.Kevin Love


3.Russell Westbrook


4.Eric Gordon


5.DeAndre Jordan


6.Roy Hibbert


7.Brook Lopez


8.Michael Beasley


9.Danilo Gallinari


10.Serge Ibaka


11.O.J. Mayo


12.D.J. Augustin


13.Nicolas Batum


14.Mario Chalmers


15.Jason Thompson

BallIsAll
01-27-2012, 04:27 PM
I think Beasley is too low. They guy can get you 20 a night right now and he still haven't found his nba groove.

here's my list


Your Rankings


1.Derrick Rose


2.Kevin Love


3.Russell Westbrook


4.Eric Gordon


5.DeAndre Jordan


6.Roy Hibbert


7.Brook Lopez


8.Michael Beasley


9.Danilo Gallinari


10.Serge Ibaka


11.O.J. Mayo


12.D.J. Augustin


13.Nicolas Batum


14.Mario Chalmers


15.Jason Thompson


the fact you put jordan 5th makes this post invalid, your top 4 is the only thing that makes sense.

kjoke
01-27-2012, 04:29 PM
Where is Anderson and McGee. Better than thompson, chalmers augustin

da ThRONe
01-27-2012, 04:31 PM
the fact you put jordan 5th makes this post invalid, your top 4 is the only thing that makes sense.

LOL I like the way people say somebody else whatever is invalid.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is the fact you think you're the authority on what makes sense.

NYsFinest
01-27-2012, 04:32 PM
No chance Lopez is worlds better then Hibbert. Hibbert is one of the most overrated players I see on here. He shot 46% from the field last year so if he gets a pass for that then Lopez gets a pass for his down rebounding season. Gallo is right where he's supposed to be at 6.

Hibbert is shooting 53% this year, Lopez shot 49% last year. Oh and Hibbert plays defense, rebounds and his team wins games.

Iverson3018
01-27-2012, 04:35 PM
Sixers pick Speights rather than Hibbert

OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Baller1
01-27-2012, 04:36 PM
Crazy that Ibaka was a nobody back then.

Corey
01-27-2012, 04:40 PM
Batum above Beasley please.

BallIsAll
01-27-2012, 04:46 PM
LOL I like the way people say somebody else whatever is invalid.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is the fact you think you're the authority on what makes sense.

No its not the only thing, your list doesn't make sense and I told you why, my argument wasn't "Your list doesn't make sense because I'm the authority on what makes sense."

Slimsim
01-27-2012, 04:50 PM
Great draft class

Rockice_8
01-27-2012, 05:04 PM
Hibbert is shooting 53% this year, Lopez shot 49% last year. Oh and Hibbert plays defense, rebounds and his team wins games.

Exactly Lopez shot 49% while Hibbert shot 46% last year. Lopez does play defense and rebound (he had one down season). Lopez hasn't had a good team around him so the "his team wins games argument is stupid". You can't use a team game when comparing two players. There are lots of good players who play on bad teams, look no further then your own team.

You can like Hibbert better that fine but there's a reason Lopez is in the top 5 here cause he's better.

SugeKnight
01-27-2012, 05:05 PM
This is my rankings. I gave the bigs higher spots simply for being bigs.

1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Roy Hibbert

4.Russell Westbrook

5.Eric Gordon

6.Brook Lopez

7.Serge Ibaka

8.Danilo Gallinari

9.Michael Beasley

10.DeAndre Jordan

11.Nicolas Batum

12.O.J. Mayo

13.Jason Thompson

14.D.J. Augustin

15.Mario Chalmers

JordansBulls
01-27-2012, 05:07 PM
I think it would be interesting to redo because obviously the Bulls were taking Rose #1. But #2 I think the Heat could have taken Love, but honestly in hindsight, taking Roy Hibbert would have been the best assumming they still have Lebron, Bosh go there as free agents.

bringbackfredex
01-27-2012, 05:10 PM
My rankings vs. SN Rankings

1. Rose 1. Rose
2. Love 2. Love
3. Westbrook 3. Westbrook
4. Gordon 4. Gordon
5. Lopez 5. Lopez
6. Gallinari 6. Gallinari
7. Jordan 7. Mayo
8. Beasley 8. Jordan
9. Hibbert 9. Ibaka
10. Augustin 10. Hibbert
11. Ibaka 11. Beasley
12. Mayo 12. Chalmers
13. Chalmers 13. Augustin
14. Batum 14. Batum
15. Thompson 15. Thompson

pebloemer
01-27-2012, 05:12 PM
Rose
Love
Westbrook
Gordon
Gallinari
Ibaka
Batum
Hibbert
Lopez
Beasley
Jordan
Mayo
McGee
Anderson
Augustin

Just my opinion.

bringbackfredex
01-27-2012, 05:14 PM
Rose
Love
Westbrook
Gordon
Gallinari
Ibaka
Batum
Hibbert
Lopez
Beasley
Jordan
Mayo
McGee
Anderson
Augustin
Just my opinion.

:eyebrow:

NYsFinest
01-27-2012, 05:15 PM
Hibbert > Lopez - I would rather have a real center who rebounds and defends and have scorers around him (which are much easier to find than REAL centers), than have a scoring center who doesn't rebound or defend.

CarniifeX
01-27-2012, 05:39 PM
Here's mine:

1. Rose
2. Love
3. Westbrook
4. Gordon
5. Lopez
6. Gallinari
7. Mayo
8. Hibbert
9. Jordan
10. Ibaka
11. Augustin
12. Beasley
13. Batum
14. Chalmers
15. Thompson

CHANGO
01-27-2012, 05:43 PM
Your Rankings

1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Brook Lopez

5.Eric Gordon

6.D.J. Augustin

7.Danilo Gallinari

8.Michael Beasley

9.Roy Hibbert

10.Nicolas Batum

11.O.J. Mayo

12.DeAndre Jordan

13.Mario Chalmers

14.Serge Ibaka

15.Jason Thompson

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-27-2012, 05:59 PM
chalmers is better than augustin, augustin = trash.

I bet you havent even seen him play

Derick713
01-27-2012, 06:03 PM
The Heat would pick Russell Westbrook because he would negate Rose and take away Durant's sidekick.

VinceCarter
01-27-2012, 06:05 PM
Here's mine

1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Danilo Gallinari

5.Brook Lopez

6.Eric Gordon

7.Roy Hibbert

8.Serge Ibaka

9.D.J. Augustin

10.DeAndre Jordan

11.O.J. Mayo

12.Nicolas Batum

13.Mario Chalmers

14.Michael Beasley

15.Jason Thompson

VRP723
01-27-2012, 06:10 PM
Your Rankings

1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Eric Gordon

5.Roy Hibbert

6.Danilo Gallinari

7.Brook Lopez

8.DeAndre Jordan

9.Serge Ibaka

10.Michael Beasley

11.D.J. Augustin

12.Nicolas Batum

13.O.J. Mayo

14.Mario Chalmers

15.Jason Thompson

Raph12
01-27-2012, 06:19 PM
Roy Hibbert is underrated, he's better than DeAndre Jordan...

lavell12
01-27-2012, 06:20 PM
1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Eric Gordon

5.Danilo Gallinari

6.Roy Hibbert

7.Brook Lopez

8.O.J. Mayo

9.DeAndre Jordan

10.Michael Beasley

11.Mario Chalmers

12.D.J. Augustin

13.Nicolas Batum

14.Serge Ibaka

15.Jason Thompson

Corey
01-27-2012, 06:22 PM
Ibaka and Batum getting no love

mavwar53
01-27-2012, 06:22 PM
My Rankings:

1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Roy Hibbert

5.Eric Gordon

6.Brook Lopez

7.Serge Ibaka

8.DeAndre Jordan

9.Danilo Gallinari

10.Nicolas Batum

11.Michael Beasley

12.Mario Chalmers

13.D.J. Augustin

14.O.J. Mayo

15.Jason Thompson

mavwar53
01-27-2012, 06:26 PM
Ibaka and Batum getting no love

I'd agree, they are getting no love I have them 7 and 10 respectively, while OJ Mayo and Gallo are being overrated, Mayo especially.

bigsams50
01-27-2012, 06:34 PM
chalmers is better than augustin, augustin = trash.

I'm going to guess you have never seen DJ play with comments like this :pity:

THE GIPPER
01-27-2012, 06:55 PM
These are mine. Tough to decide especially without looking into it more deeply with stats etc.

1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Eric Gordon

5.Danilo Gallinari

6.DeAndre Jordan

7.Serge Ibaka

8.Brook Lopez

9.Roy Hibbert

10.Nicolas Batum

11.O.J. Mayo

12.D.J. Augustin

13.Jason Thompson

14.Mario Chalmers

15.Michael Beasley

Green_Monster
01-27-2012, 07:01 PM
Wow, Ibaka is getting vastly underrated.

1. Derick Rose
2. Kevin Love
3. Russel Westbrook
4. Eric Gordon
5. Surge Ibaka
6. Roy Hibbert
7. Brook Lopez
8. DeAndre Jordan
9. Danilo Gallinari
10. Nicolas Batum
11. Mario Chalmers
12. Michael Beasly
13. O.J. Mayo
14. D.J. Augustin
15. Jason Thompson

Chicagofaithful
01-27-2012, 07:01 PM
chalmers is better than augustin, augustin = trash.

no way augustin is infinitely better than chalmers! I do think chalmers is a good defender though

FriedTofuz
01-27-2012, 07:35 PM
where is joe alexander

FriedTofuz
01-27-2012, 07:36 PM
Wow, Ibaka is getting vastly underrated.

1. Derick Rose
2. Kevin Love
3. Russel Westbrook
4. Eric Gordon
5. Surge Ibaka
6. Roy Hibbert
7. Brook Lopez
8. DeAndre Jordan
9. Danilo Gallinari
10. Nicolas Batum
11. Mario Chalmers
12. Michael Beasly
13. O.J. Mayo
14. D.J. Augustin
15. Jason Thompson

Uhm no you cant put Galo under "surge" Galo is alot better than ibaka.

Green_Monster
01-27-2012, 07:43 PM
Uhm no you cant put Galo under "surge" Galo is alot better than ibaka.

In your opinion maybe he's "a lot" better. But in reality, no.

bringbackfredex
01-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Wow, Ibaka is getting vastly underrated.

1. Derick Rose
2. Kevin Love
3. Russel Westbrook
4. Eric Gordon
5. Surge Ibaka
6. Roy Hibbert
7. Brook Lopez
8. DeAndre Jordan
9. Danilo Gallinari
10. Nicolas Batum
11. Mario Chalmers
12. Michael Beasly
13. O.J. Mayo
14. D.J. Augustin
15. Jason Thompson

I'm sorry, but this is horrible. For your sake, I'll only compare the big men because if I compared Ibaka to the rest of them you would look even worse.

You think Ibaka (7.1 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 2.6 BPG) is better than:

Brook Lopez (20.4 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.5 BPG)
Roy Hibbert (14.4 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 1.7 BPG)
Deandre Jordan (8.3 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 2.9 BPG)

:confused:

Green_Monster
01-27-2012, 08:00 PM
I'm sorry, but this is horrible. For your sake, I'll only compare the big men because if I compared Ibaka to the rest of them you would look even worse.

You think Ibaka (7.1 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 2.6 BPG) is better than:

Brook Lopez (20.4 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.5 BPG)
Roy Hibbert (14.4 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 1.7 BPG)
Deandre Jordan (8.3 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 2.9 BPG)

:confused:

Hibbert is having his first good season. Jordan's numbers are barely better while playing CP3, a great passer. And Ibaka is on a team that has him as a #4 option. Also, Ibaka is the youngest.

Oh, and on your list you have Beasly 8th and Augustin 10th!

kenzo400
01-27-2012, 08:01 PM
The first 4 are easy
Rose
Love
Westbrook
Gordon

It gets tougher after that.

I put Westbrook at number 7, screw that guy. I'd rather have Hibbert, Lopez, or Jordan over his inefficient hogging ***.

BallIsAll
01-27-2012, 08:04 PM
I bet you havent even seen him play


I'm going to guess you have never seen DJ play with comments like this :pity:


no way augustin is infinitely better than chalmers! I do think chalmers is a good defender though


yeah i was just kidding guys i see them both the same

Robbw241
01-27-2012, 08:28 PM
Rose
Love
Westbrook
Gordon
Gallo
Hibbert
Lopez
Jordan
Ibaka
Batum
Augustin
Mayo
Beasley
Chalmers
JT

ramz.n
01-27-2012, 08:30 PM
1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Eric Gordon

5.Danilo Gallinari

6.Roy Hibbert

7.Brook Lopez

8.Serge Ibaka

9.DeAndre Jordan

10.O.J. Mayo

11.Michael Beasley

12.D.J. Augustin

13.Nicolas Batum

14.Mario Chalmers

15.Jason Thompson

..that was my ranking.

silverbrad
01-27-2012, 08:48 PM
WHOA, HOLD ON........... This isn't a Knicks thread???

silverbrad
01-27-2012, 08:53 PM
I LOVE D-Rose, and K-Love, to me obviously one and two, but I want to see how this ranking looks in a couple more seasons. I bet it goes 50-50, or even to Loves side between them. They both have a really high ceiling but I think a 6-10 pf/c who averages 25pts, 13+ rebounds, and a HIGHER 3 point % is INCREDIBLE.....

bringbackfredex
01-27-2012, 09:03 PM
Hibbert is having his first good season. Jordan's numbers are barely better while playing CP3, a great passer. And Ibaka is on a team that has him as a #4 option. Also, Ibaka is the youngest.

Oh, and on your list you have Beasly 8th and Augustin 10th!

Can't argue with stats, everything you just said is avoiding the subject at hand. Hibbert is better right now, Jordan is better right now, Ibaka's age has nothing to do with it since they were all drafted in the same year.

Oh and you might want to look at stats champ (which is how I ranked them), Beasley and Augustin have pretty good numbers. Beasley gets an unfair rep because he hasn't lived up to expectations and is over payed, but he's still talented. Has a lot more talent than Ibaka.

Your list is literally terrible, which is why about 3 people said so immediately after you posted it.

Green_Monster
01-27-2012, 09:13 PM
[QUOTE]Can't argue with stats, everything you just said is avoiding the subject at hand

Why did you avoid my question?


Hibbert is better right now, Jordan is better right now,

According to? You?


Ibaka's age has nothing to do with it since they were all drafted in the same year.

Not true, some players get drafted at 18, some get drafted at 23.


Oh and you might want to look at stats champ (which is how I ranked them), Beasley and Augustin have pretty good numbers

Average numbers


Beasley gets an unfair rep because he hasn't lived up to expectations and is over payed, but he's still talented

He's way overpaid and not very good.


Has a lot more talent than Ibaka.

lolz


Your list is literally terrible, which is why about 3 people said so immediately after you posted it.

Only you and one other guy acually. My list acually has some common sense in it. Im not going to rank an average Beasly #8.

bringbackfredex
01-27-2012, 09:26 PM
Why did you avoid my question?

You didn't ask a question.


According to? You?

Yes and stats, look them up.


Not true, some players get drafted at 18, some get drafted at 23.

Doesn't matter, age range is similar and none are old. Invalid point when evaluating players in the same draft class.


Average numbers

And Ibaka's are better?


He's way overpaid and not very good.

Not very good? In his career he averages 15.8 and 6.0 RPG, which is pretty good since he mostly plays the 3. The amount of money he makes has nothing to do with who is a better basketball player, and Beasley has better numbers.


lolz

Still haven't presented a rational argument as to why he's better.


Only you and one other guy acually. My list acually has some common sense in it. Im not going to rank an average Beasly #8.

And you think Ibaka is more than average and better than Brook Lopez? :rolleyes:

Green_Monster
01-27-2012, 10:15 PM
And Ibaka's are better?

So your telling me you think Michael Beasly is better than Serge Ibaka? If so, good day sir.

bringbackfredex
01-27-2012, 10:48 PM
So your telling me you think Michael Beasly is better than Serge Ibaka? If so, good day sir.

Have you given me evidence to say otherwise? As a matter of fact, I just completely owned you to the point where you didn't answer anything I said.

knicks=love
01-27-2012, 11:58 PM
1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Eric Gordon

5.Danilo Gallinari

6.Brook Lopez

7.DeAndre Jordan

8.Mario Chalmers

9.O.J. Mayo

10.D.J. Augustin

11.Nicolas Batum

12.Serge Ibaka

13.Michael Beasley

14.Roy Hibbert

15.Jason Thompson

OaklandsFinest
01-28-2012, 01:02 AM
So much of this outside the top 2 really, is subject to what your team needs are and what you value at those positions. I like athletic big men who run the floor, change/ block shots, so I value a Deandre Jordan and Serge Ibaka over lumbering centers like Lopez or Hibbert.

Green_Monster
01-28-2012, 01:52 PM
You didn't ask a question.

Go Back to my first post towards you.



Yes and stats, look them up.

I would like you to acually take a look at Beasly's FG%. And ask a few Wolves fans who they would rather have.


Doesn't matter, age range is similar and none are old. Invalid point when evaluating players in the same draft class.

Incorrect, most players on there are 1-2 years older than Ibaka.


And Ibaka's are better?

Yes sir, he's younger. Also, check out Beasly's FG%!




Not very good? In his career he averages 15.8 and 6.0 RPG, which is pretty good since he mostly plays the 3. The amount of money he makes has nothing to do with who is a better basketball player, and Beasley has better numbers.



Still haven't presented a rational argument as to why he's better.

Using career numbers are we? If so, I guess Allen Iverson is better than Derick Rose RIGHT NOW. :rolleyes:




And you think Ibaka is more than average and better than Brook Lopez? :rolleyes:

Look at the post above mine.

RLundi
01-28-2012, 01:59 PM
Hindsight is 20/20.

RLundi
01-28-2012, 02:05 PM
1. Derrick Rose
2. Kevin Love
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Eric Gordon
5. Brook Lopez
6. Danilo Gallinari
7. Michael Beasley
8. OJ Mayo
9. Roy Hibbert
10. Serge Ibaka
11. DeAndre Jordan
12. DJ Augustin
13. Nicolas Batum
14. Jason Thompson
15. Mario Chalmers

Chronz
01-28-2012, 03:33 PM
Hibbert is having his first good season. Jordan's numbers are barely better while playing CP3, a great passer. And Ibaka is on a team that has him as a #4 option. Also, Ibaka is the youngest.

Oh, and on your list you have Beasly 8th and Augustin 10th!

Can't argue with stats, everything you just said is avoiding the subject at hand. Hibbert is better right now, Jordan is better right now, Ibaka's age has nothing to do with it since they were all drafted in the same year.

Oh and you might want to look at stats champ (which is how I ranked them), Beasley and Augustin have pretty good numbers. Beasley gets an unfair rep because he hasn't lived up to expectations and is over payed, but he's still talented. Has a lot more talent than Ibaka.

Your list is literally terrible, which is why about 3 people said so immediately after you posted it.
I question your statistical insight

Hawkeye15
01-28-2012, 03:36 PM
1.Derrick Rose

2.Kevin Love

3.Russell Westbrook

4.Eric Gordon

5.Danilo Gallinari

6.Roy Hibbert

7.Brook Lopez

8.Serge Ibaka

9.DeAndre Jordan

10.O.J. Mayo

11.Michael Beasley

12.D.J. Augustin

13.Nicolas Batum

14.Mario Chalmers

15.Jason Thompson

..that was my ranking.

this is fairly spot on with what I would say as well.

Green_Monster
01-28-2012, 03:46 PM
So much of this outside the top 2 really, is subject to what your team needs are and what you value at those positions. I like athletic big men who run the floor, change/ block shots, so I value a Deandre Jordan and Serge Ibaka over lumbering centers like Lopez or Hibbert.

For the people who are giving me crap, this ^ is basically what I'm trying to say. OaklandsFinest said it perfectly.

sunsfan88
01-29-2012, 06:00 AM
id pick gallo over lopez and hibbert over lopez... defense counts. Look good tho.

Lol since when has Gallo ever played defense?