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psperry34116
01-26-2012, 07:33 PM
Last year, only Horford, Jefferson and Howard had PERs over twenty. This year, 7 different centers have PERs over 20. The amount of breakout centers this year seems insane.
Gortat
Monroe
Cousins
Hibbert
Hawes
Gasol
Bynum
Jordan

What do you guys think has brought this on? Are centers capitalizing on the lack of athleticism from the lockout? Or is this all coincidental?

Federal Reserve
01-26-2012, 07:42 PM
The guards are getting tired from playing so many games in the lockout season, so they are looking to pass the ball to the centers much more.

Raph12
01-27-2012, 01:29 AM
Still too early, but everyone you listed is pretty young (besides Gortat who's 26 I think) and only getting better.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-27-2012, 01:31 AM
Still too early, but everyone you listed is pretty young (besides Gortat who's 26 I think) and only getting better.

Gortat worked on his game, and he has Steve Nash, which helps improve your ppg and fg%.

Bishnoff
01-27-2012, 01:47 AM
At the same time, lots of PF's are having off seasons (Dirk, Pau, Amar'e).

blastmasta26
01-27-2012, 02:06 AM
Last year, only Horford, Jefferson and Howard had PERs over twenty. This year, 7 different centers have PERs over 20. The amount of breakout centers this year seems insane.
Gortat
Monroe
Cousins
Hibbert
Hawes
Gasol
Bynum
Jordan

What do you guys think has brought this on? Are centers capitalizing on the lack of athleticism from the lockout? Or is this all coincidental?

Gortat has improved and gotten more comfortable with Nash. Monroe is young and has potential, he is bound to develop even more. Same goes for Cousins. Hibbert has been steadily improving, and has a complete team around him, allows for efficiency. Don't really know about Hawes lol, I figured his play was fluky. Gasol's getting more opportunities with Z-Bo injured. Bynum is healthy and a larger part of the Lakers offense. Jordan is improving and has CP3 to set him up. I might be off on some of these to be honest.

kblo247
01-27-2012, 02:13 AM
Teams have to slow down to make it through this condensed season, whereas in a normal year with breaks and layoffs the pace of most games is a detriment to bigs

PacersForLife
01-27-2012, 02:34 AM
Don't know much about the others, but Roy Hibbert spent the summer working with guys like Tim Duncan and Nene. That probably has something to do with it.

goalie
01-27-2012, 02:37 AM
all those guys are young and progressing period. lockout isnt the excuse for everything that happens.

those C all have good hands and pass the ball, all are given the ball in the high post and that produces a lot of assists. you play a high post when you have a big with good hands.

high post=stats.

guys like monroe and bogut (not listed) were well known for their passing, their big PER is a result of the ability to fill a stat line in every category.

hawes has a great supporting cast with bad shooters, so his assists and rebounds are up as a result. but hes still only 23, probably the least upside on that list.

people are just going to have to realize that there is a young group of C and stop being suprised when they produce. these guys are being used in ways big tall stiffs weren't in the recent past.

HouRealCoach
01-27-2012, 03:04 AM
Whats better is that if u check the draft sheets then u will see even more 7 foot centers soon coming to the NBA

bholly
01-27-2012, 05:20 AM
Small sample size. Last year there were 11 guards over 20 PER, this year there are 22. Last year there were 15 forwards, this year there are 24.

The reason is small sample size - this year is only ~18 games old. Players go through hot streaks and cold streaks all the time. If you take a random 18 game sample from any season you'd probably get the same numbers - heaps of guys will be hot and have 20+ PER over any given 18 game sample, but much fewer sustain it over a full season.

Hawkeye15
01-27-2012, 12:36 PM
Small sample size. Last year there were 11 guards over 20 PER, this year there are 22. Last year there were 15 forwards, this year there are 24.

The reason is small sample size - this year is only ~18 games old. Players go through hot streaks and cold streaks all the time. If you take a random 18 game sample from any season you'd probably get the same numbers - heaps of guys will be hot and have 20+ PER over any given 18 game sample, but much fewer sustain it over a full season.

This. PER is also calculated with 15 as the average, so having more crappy players will skew it as well, which we have this year.

It will all settle out. There are 4-5 young centers that are getting a ton better though, which is nice to see.