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latinofire21
01-25-2012, 02:30 PM
I was looking at the stat sheets for the Heat games this season and for all the hype Dwayne Wade recieves the team has played much better without him.

Heres the Breakdown: When Lebron, Wade, and Bosh play together they are 5-4. When Lebron and Bosh play together they are 6-1. When Bosh played by himself they are 1-0.

When Wade has sat out Bosh and Lebron's numbers have skyrocketed. The margin for the victories have widened.

When Wade has played they have barely beat a couple teams not on pace to make the playoffs and have some pretty bad losses. In all but 2 games Wade has been outplayed by the players he is guarding. Could he be a significant reason why the teams points allowed is 22nd?

The defense looks suspect and isnt as good as last year. If D Wade is the top talent everyone believes him to be why are they better without him on the floor?

Should they trade him for complementary pieces while is value is still inflated?

Wade and Miller for Rondo and Allen?

Maybe this team just needs Lebron and Bosh and they can trade Wade for pieces to fill out the roster.

Thoughts?

AntiG
01-25-2012, 02:35 PM
I was looking at the stat sheets for the Heat games this season and for all the hype Dwayne Wade recieves the team has played much better without him.

Heres the Breakdown: When Lebron, Wade, and Bosh play together they are 5-4. When Lebron and Bosh play together they are 6-1. When Bosh played by himself they are 1-0.

When Wade has sat out Bosh and Lebron's numbers have skyrocketed. The margin for the victories have widened.

When Wade has played they have barely beat a couple teams not on pace to make the playoffs and have some pretty bad losses. In all but 2 games Wade has been outplayed by the players he is guarding. Could he be a significant reason why the teams points allowed is 22nd?

The defense looks suspect and isnt as good as last year. If D Wade is the top talent everyone believes him to be why are they better without him on the floor?

Should they trade him for complementary pieces while is value is still inflated?

Wade and Miller for Rondo and Allen?

Maybe this team just needs Lebron and Bosh and they can trade Wade for pieces to fill out the roster.

Thoughts?

LOL ok done thanks. Its a shame you aren't the Heat GM.

Signed,

Celtics fans everywhere.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 02:39 PM
LOL ok done thanks. Its a shame you aren't the Heat GM.

Signed,

Celtics fans everywhere.

I think you guys severely undervalue Rondo. Wade is good but hes injury proned has a lot of miles on his body and isnt what he used to be. I would think about it before pulling the trigger.

The only positive I see in that trade for Wade is that he may be able to attract another superstar to play with him like Dwight. Other then that I dont see it working too well for him.

PG
Wade
Pierce
KG - Resign for lower contract
Dwight

Would be a very scary lineup.

ugafan
01-25-2012, 02:40 PM
The Heat would never do that trade but I think it would put them in a better position to win it all.

Wade and LeBron are far too similar to compliment each other.

DragonJaii
01-25-2012, 02:41 PM
too many injuries. But a good player

justinnum1
01-25-2012, 02:49 PM
:laugh2:

Get a clue pal.
haberstroh
LeBron and Wade each may be "better" alone, but the Heat are not. No Wade: Heat are +6.7 pts per 100poss's. No LeBron: +3.9. Both ON: +11.9.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 02:49 PM
too many injuries. But a good player

So would you deal the King of Miami for a better rounded team. Maybe the Nuggets will give you a bench for Wade.

Dade County
01-25-2012, 02:51 PM
:laugh2:

Get a clue pal.
haberstroh

this is a better response then mine...

Fnom11
01-25-2012, 02:51 PM
Really good.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-25-2012, 02:55 PM
What's with all these serious questions? Chill bro!

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:00 PM
D Wade is the best player in the game, and can I get banned for typing "go kill yourself" ?
( I hope not )

I believe you can be banned for that.

1) hes not the best player on his own team.
2) hes not an efficient scorer and thats what hes paid to do on this team
3) hes got a lot of miles and wear and tear on that body. Hes going to decline very soon if he hasnt already.
4) Heats defense is terrible this season and I think its because hes letting no names 2 guards out score him.

You can blame it on Spo for giving them too many minutes but in the end basketball is played on 2 sides, Offense and Defense. When your 22nd in the league in opponents points allowed and you let Gerald Henderson destroy you. you need to contemplate whether its time for a move.

The only travesty this team could really endure is not winning one championship because you kept on to a broken down player and didnt trade him before it was too late.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:08 PM
:laugh2:

Get a clue pal.
haberstroh

Your a heat fan why dont you argue the other side then. If he is as good as you think he is why is he 5-4 this season?

omdigga
01-25-2012, 03:09 PM
he's pretty good

thekmp211
01-25-2012, 03:10 PM
a 16 game sample size of w/l does not constitute "stats". he might not be the best fit for miami, but he's a beast so it doesn't matter. let me guess, you're a knicks fan?

justinnum1
01-25-2012, 03:11 PM
Your a heat fan why dont you argue the other side then. If he is as good as you think he is why is he 5-4 this season?

Injured in 3 of the games, simple as that. If you want to ignore that, than so be it, there is nothing else to talk about. and regarldess, 9 game sample size is a little small, no?:eyebrow:

I'd like to see what your saying in a month when he's avg 24/5/5

Celticsfan2007
01-25-2012, 03:13 PM
I love how in the NBA forum, in order to appropriate a 'serious' response one must include "Serious question:" to their title. :facepalm:

Anyways if your serious about a Rondo for Wade swap then you clearly don't understand basketball as a whole. As a C's fan I would feel like a golden horseshoe just got stuck up my *** if something like this were to happen.

blastmasta26
01-25-2012, 03:14 PM
The Heat would never do that trade but I think it would put them in a better position to win it all.

Wade and LeBron are far too similar to compliment each other.
How would Rondo be a better fit than Wade? Rondo is very ball dominant, he thrives on facilitating others and driving to the basket. Neither of those things can he do without the ball. Which puts LeBron in a bad position, because he is also ball dominant. Allen would be a great fit, but not Rondo.

Besides, Wade could garner more in a trade easily.

3mikee_
01-25-2012, 03:16 PM
Wade alone > Rondo + Allen....

The only reason that the stats might suggest the Heat are better without him is because him and LeBron are the same player essentially. Both dominate the ball and it's clear that neither can play off the ball.

The Heat are playing better because LeBron has been able to dominate the ball like he has back when he was with the Cavs... so yea Wade is good. Probably the 2nd best SG in the game and a top 5 player today.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Injured in 3 of the games, simple as that. If you want to ignore that, than so be it, there is nothing else to talk about. and regarldess, 9 game sample size is a little small, no?:eyebrow:

I'd like to see what your saying in a month when he's avg 24/5/5

Well I can agree a 9 game sample size is a little small. So should posters not make any threads in regards to the play of players until mid season? I see a lot of heat posters giving lots of feedback on the Knicks woes. is a 17 game sample size too small? I dont think so.

Double Standards on the forum? Maybe

Clearly there is a problem with the Knicks just like there is a problem with D Wade and the Heat. Sample size large or small there is something to be said about the current streak the team is doing.

When your playing better without D wade then you are with him maybe its time for a change. I wont disregard his injury but if hes injured why play? Its the beginning of the season. You cost your team games playing hurt when they clearly play better when your not on the floor. Seems pretty selfish to me to play injured. Its one thing if your playing hurt because the team cant win without you. Its another thing to play when your hurt when clearly the team is doing better without you. Thats my take.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:31 PM
I love how in the NBA forum, in order to appropriate a 'serious' response one must include "Serious question:" to their title. :facepalm:

Anyways if your serious about a Rondo for Wade swap then you clearly don't understand basketball as a whole. As a C's fan I would feel like a golden horseshoe just got stuck up my *** if something like this were to happen.

I do understand Basketball very well. You dont understand the salary cap very well if you think they can get a better deal then that.

The Heat are over the salary cap. Which means they have to be within 125 percent of the opposite trade partner just to execute a trade.

D Wade makes 15,691,000 dollars and change. The rest of the team is filled with contracts less then 5 million dollars.

Whatever you may think Wades value is you still have to be within 125% percent of the salaries your trading away to make the deal good. Salary they can take back is a max of 19,613,750. Name me a better trade that fits that quota?

You have a PF and a SF already. Chalmers is ok but I think hes is just benefiting from the system. There is no team out there aside from Portland Utah Denver and Boston that have enough pieces to trade for Dewayne wade.

Portland isnt going to break up their team for an injury prone star.
Denver already had Carmelo why would they break up whats going on for Wade.
Utah might be interested in doing a swap.
Boston is on the outskirts of not making the playoffs for the first time in how many years. If there was a logical trading partner that filled the needs of both sides more it would be Boston and Miami.

Boston needs a new Star to market since there team is ancient. The Heat need to fill out their roster. Ray Allen can more then supplement what Wade brings to the table plus elevate Lebron and Bosh. Rondo doesnt need to score to be effective. Hes a defensive hound and an assist specialist.

The posters saying Rondo would do the same as Wade is a bit ridiculous. Wade commands the ball to shoot. Rondo commands the ball to facilitate. Big difference there guys.

Maybe you should think a little deeper before you question my knowledge on basketball.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:34 PM
SO this is about the knicks now? lmfao....please dude...please

Again wheres your arguement? I said regardless of the size of the sample there is a problem. I made the Knicks an example. My debate in the last one is if its okay to give insight on that subject with such a small sample size why isnt it okay to do the same with D Wade. Regardless of a sample size there is a trend that needs to be discussed.

Read it as you may but the stats dont lie. It clearly shows that the Heat play better with Wade in a suit on the bench. Why not trade him for a more complete team?

Big Zo
01-25-2012, 03:34 PM
I put stats in the arguement. If thats a troll thread because its about your favorite player then so be it. If you have nothing to add to the conversation you can spectate like the rest.

You mentioned a handful of games this year. What about being two wins from a championship last year? Hell, with the way LeBron played in the finals, they likely get swept had it not been for Wade. Guess we all forgot that. Everyone knew the second this team came together that their individual numbers would drop. LeBron and bosh are getting better numbers ("playing better") because they're forced to do more.

nysportsfan02
01-25-2012, 03:36 PM
OP obviously has no clue about basketball it seems.

Why is it so surprising Lebron and Miami are doing well right now without him? Lebron took a bunch of scrubs to 60 win seasons in Cleveland. Now he has Bosh and a decent supporting cast even without Wade. Wade out allows him to have the ball in his hands more. Regular season they are probably just as good but come playoff time he'll need Wade.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:40 PM
You mentioned a handful of games this year. What about being two wins from a championship last year? Hell, with the way LeBron played in the finals, they likely get swept had it not been for Wade. Guess we all forgot that. Everyone knew the second this team came together that their individual numbers would drop. LeBron and bosh are getting better numbers ("playing better") because they're forced to do more.

And because they were forced to do more the margins of the victories have widened against better teams then what the trio faced. Your not going to command enough for trading Bosh. Your not going to command enough for trading Lebron. You arent going to command enough for trading wade because they all took less money to play together. The best value of trading any three is going to be Wade obviously. The team plays better without him and he still has enough value around the league to fill the holes in the roster better then trading the other 2.

Your arguement for last year is moot. A year older and a condensed season is variables that are overlooked when talking about last years success compared to this years. Multiplied by the amount of time Spo is playing your big three your going to be worn down by the playoffs. This is stuff I read in your forum by the way so dont act like this is the first time your seeing this.

Bob_at_york
01-25-2012, 03:43 PM
I have been surprised that they have played better without him although that could depend on who they were playing. What was the strength of their opponents?

I think in the end, Wade is an amazing player but he just doesn't fit with Lebron.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:45 PM
OP obviously has no clue about basketball it seems.

Why is it so surprising Lebron and Miami are doing well right now without him? Lebron took a bunch of scrubs to 60 win seasons in Cleveland. Now he has Bosh and a decent supporting cast even without Wade. Wade out allows him to have the ball in his hands more. Regular season they are probably just as good but come playoff time he'll need Wade.

You just won my arguement for me. So Wade hurts Lebrons play and Boshs play. You dont know anything about basketball if you cant see that for yourself. Thats what the stats are telling you!

BULLSFAN0810
01-25-2012, 03:46 PM
Wade isn't top 5..kobe, howard, durant, rose (based on skill set at position) maybe top 10.james is top 10, wade imo is top 15, but skill for skill he is better than james overall.....weird huh?

nysportsfan02
01-25-2012, 03:48 PM
You just won my arguement for me. So Wade hurts Lebrons play and Boshs play. You dont know anything about basketball if you cant see that for yourself. Thats what the stats are telling you!
Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension and read the last part of my post.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:53 PM
I have been surprised that they have played better without him although that could depend on who they were playing. What was the strength of their opponents?

I think in the end, Wade is an amazing player but he just doesn't fit with Lebron.

With Lebron Bosh and Wade - Teams

Dallas Win
Boston Win
Charlotte twice Win
Minnesota Win
Atlanta Loss
Golden State Loss
Clippers Loss
Denver Loss

With just Bosh

Atlanta Win

With Bosh and Lebron

Indiana Win
New Jersey Win
San Antonio Win
Lakers Win
Philly Win
Bucks Loss
Cleveland Win

MTL_123
01-25-2012, 03:54 PM
I believe you can be banned for that.

1) hes not the best player on his own team.
2) hes not an efficient scorer and thats what hes paid to do on this team
3) hes got a lot of miles and wear and tear on that body. Hes going to decline very soon if he hasnt already.
4) Heats defense is terrible this season and I think its because hes letting no names 2 guards out score him.

You can blame it on Spo for giving them too many minutes but in the end basketball is played on 2 sides, Offense and Defense. When your 22nd in the league in opponents points allowed and you let Gerald Henderson destroy you. you need to contemplate whether its time for a move.

The only travesty this team could really endure is not winning one championship because you kept on to a broken down player and didnt trade him before it was too late.

really u think the heats have a bad defense. U do know this is a basketball forum. Do u even watch basketball games:facepalm:

da ThRONe
01-25-2012, 03:55 PM
Wade is still the best SG and a top 5 player.

I do think the Heat may be better with Howard then Wade. LeBron should have the ball in his hands.

MTL_123
01-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Wade isn't top 5..kobe, howard, durant, rose (based on skill set at position) maybe top 10.james is top 10, wade imo is top 15, but skill for skill he is better than james overall.....weird huh?

really homer much even bulls fans would say that wade is better than him

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:57 PM
Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension and read the last part of my post.

Your still wrong even with the last part of your statement. Spolestra is playing them the whole game every game. They are logging 40 minutes a night. You think they will be fresh for the playoffs? Having a filled out team is better then a big 3 especially for this season. They died out in the finals last year when it was more spaced. You think they can win the whole thing with the way this season is situated? There is a reason why they are 5th in the eastern conference. They arent built for a condensed season and they still havent solved their problems of last year being built for a deep playoff run.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 03:58 PM
really u think the heats have a bad defense. U do know this is a basketball forum. Do u even watch basketball games:facepalm:

Heat 22nd in opponents points allowed. There are only 30 teams in the league. Guess there is 21 defensive power houses in the league right?

JordansBulls
01-25-2012, 03:59 PM
I was looking at the stat sheets for the Heat games this season and for all the hype Dwayne Wade recieves the team has played much better without him.

Heres the Breakdown: When Lebron, Wade, and Bosh play together they are 5-4. When Lebron and Bosh play together they are 6-1. When Bosh played by himself they are 1-0.

When Wade has sat out Bosh and Lebron's numbers have skyrocketed. The margin for the victories have widened.

When Wade has played they have barely beat a couple teams not on pace to make the playoffs and have some pretty bad losses. In all but 2 games Wade has been outplayed by the players he is guarding. Could he be a significant reason why the teams points allowed is 22nd?

The defense looks suspect and isnt as good as last year. If D Wade is the top talent everyone believes him to be why are they better without him on the floor?

Should they trade him for complementary pieces while is value is still inflated?

Wade and Miller for Rondo and Allen?

Maybe this team just needs Lebron and Bosh and they can trade Wade for pieces to fill out the roster.

Thoughts?

When the Heat franchise win a title without Dwyane Wade then you can say he is not good for the team.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-25-2012, 04:00 PM
Heat 22nd in opponents points allowed. There are only 30 teams in the league. Guess there is 21 defensive power houses in the league right?

You have to look at pace and possessions per 48 minutes. Heat are amongst highest scoring teams in the league and points per game differential.

devilsheat25
01-25-2012, 04:01 PM
Heat 22nd in opponents points allowed. There are only 30 teams in the league. Guess there is 21 defensive power houses in the league right?

That is because they play at a faster pace. If they were at the same pace they played last year, it would be higher. Top 8.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:02 PM
When the Heat franchise win a title without Dwyane Wade then you can say he is not good for the team.

What can I say when the Heat win no championships because they decided to keep all 3 together for the duration of their contract?

MTL_123
01-25-2012, 04:03 PM
Heat 22nd in opponents points allowed. There are only 30 teams in the league. Guess there is 21 defensive power houses in the league right?

that stat is so misleading the knicks i think are higher than miami in that stat but do u really think the knicks defense is better than miami. i can see u dnt no anything about basketball

JordansBulls
01-25-2012, 04:03 PM
What can I say when the Heat win no championships because they decided to keep all 3 together for the duration of their contract?

You can say Wade was the guy who led the Heat to it's only title in franchise history.:)

Raph12
01-25-2012, 04:04 PM
Top 3 player when at his best, he's just struggling with injuries this season; but like I said, if you don't get Dwight Howard or Kevin Durant back, the Heat don't get better.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:05 PM
You have to look at pace and possessions per 48 minutes. Heat are amongst highest scoring teams in the league and points per game differential.

LOL I have heard that arguement for Dantonis offense too and that seems to be thrown out the window. Points are Points right. Regardless of tempo and playing style you arent supposed to let the other team score.

I honestly think their offensive problem is that they dont have a real intimidator in the middle and Wade has been taking a break on the defensive end. Regardless of pace subpar guards should not be scoring just as much as you or more. Thats a joke.

mjm07
01-25-2012, 04:06 PM
Well I can agree a 9 game sample size is a little small. So should posters not make any threads in regards to the play of players until mid season? I see a lot of heat posters giving lots of feedback on the Knicks woes. is a 17 game sample size too small? I dont think so.

Double Standards on the forum? Maybe

Clearly there is a problem with the Knicks just like there is a problem with D Wade and the Heat. Sample size large or small there is something to be said about the current streak the team is doing.

When your playing better without D wade then you are with him maybe its time for a change. I wont disregard his injury but if hes injured why play? Its the beginning of the season. You cost your team games playing hurt when they clearly play better when your not on the floor. Seems pretty selfish to me to play injured. Its one thing if your playing hurt because the team cant win without you. Its another thing to play when your hurt when clearly the team is doing better without you. Thats my take.

You are a troll! This just proves it. Although doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

The only player id trade Wade for is D. Howard. Since we both know that won't happen every other proposed deal, IMO, is irrelavent. Especially your ridiculous offer of rondo/allen for Wade.

The problems with the Knicks are not similar to the problems with the HEAT.
HEAT are a top 2 team in the NBA, knicks? top 15? You guys problems are way worse.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:06 PM
You can say Wade was the guy who led the Heat to it's only title in franchise history.:)

THat team had a much more rounded out roster. Was that the year they had Posey, Antoine Walker, Shaq, Alonzo, Haslem, Eddie House, Payton, and Jason Williams?

MTL_123
01-25-2012, 04:07 PM
LOL I have heard that arguement for Dantonis offense too and that seems to be thrown out the window. Points are Points right. Regardless of tempo and playing style you arent supposed to let the other team score.

I honestly think their offensive problem is that they dont have a real intimidator in the middle and Wade has been taking a break on the defensive end. Regardless of pace subpar guards should not be scoring just as much as you or more. Thats a joke.

i cant believe that your really saying the heats have a bad denfense so wat is a good defensive team the knicks the cavs i dnt no plz tell i want to understand your stupid logic:facepalm:

devilsheat25
01-25-2012, 04:07 PM
THat team had a much more rounded out roster. Was that the year they had Posey, Antoine Walker, Shaq, Alonzo, Haslem, Eddie House, Payton, and Jason Williams?

They won that year because of Wade.

justinnum1
01-25-2012, 04:08 PM
Heat 22nd in opponents points allowed. There are only 30 teams in the league. Guess there is 21 defensive power houses in the league right?

:facepalm: really ppg, lmfao,

check out defnesive efficiencey and get back to us

and stop bringing knicks into this, no one cares about the knicks, this is a dwade trolling thread that you created.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:11 PM
i cant believe that your really saying the heats have a bad denfense so wat is a good defensive team the knicks the cavs i dnt no plz tell i want to understand your stupid logic:facepalm:

I am just telling you what the stats say to me. Your scraping out victories against the bobcats, your barely above .500 with your big three playing together, and your 5th in the eastern conference. If that makes you a top 2 team then I guess I am not analyzing the stats correctly.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:13 PM
:facepalm: really ppg, lmfao,

check out defnesive efficiencey and get back to us

and stop bringing knicks into this, no one cares about the knicks, this is a dwade trolling thread that you created.

I am bringing in examples that skew your logic. if its okay to use that excuse for this team why isnt it allowed to use the same for that one?

I am exposing your double standards. If you are ready to look at this without any bias then you can get back to me. I know its hard to see your team analyzed under a microscope but sometimes homerism can blind you from the evident.

Personally I rather see Lebron get shipped to Siberia for a bag of peanuts but the heat wont trade him. If any of the big 3 are going to go the best balance of talent in return and likelyhood to to be traded would have to be Wade. You will get less of a return for Bosh.

justinnum1
01-25-2012, 04:14 PM
I am just telling you what the stats say to me. Your scraping out victories against the bobcats, your barely above .500 with your big three playing together, and your 5th in the eastern conference. If that makes you a top 2 team then I guess I am not analyzing the stats correctly.

Not only that, you dont even know the right stats to look at. PPG allowed instead of def efficiencey?:facepalm: c'mon bro. If your going to try to make my team look bad, at least do it the right way.

WeaponXXX
01-25-2012, 04:20 PM
Wade for Rubio, 1st round pick, Beasley.

Then flip beasley for something else later

mjm07
01-25-2012, 04:20 PM
His own fanbase has called him out and yet hes reaching for air in hopes of making a compelling argument. I give him credit for still trying. This haters puttin in work. lol

BULLSFAN0810
01-25-2012, 04:26 PM
really homer much even bulls fans would say that wade is better than him

Man, look..wade is a beast but he isn't in roses bracket.rose is unguardable.its not because I like the bulls its because its true.rose has been around for a short time and by his second year he was all star calibur.a few years later he said he was going to be mvp, ilol then it came true.head to head he owns all pgs, bulls got best record last year with him winning mvp and half the roster hurt.in the playoffs teams beat him up to stop him.whenplaying against miami, they asked wade and james side by side how will they TRY to stop rose...no one asked magic our bird how will you stop each other.but they did ask drexler how do you stop jordan..do you get it? Head to head the elites get their points so it is no question to askunless one is going nuts.but a lesser player vs. an BETTER one that question is asked.Want that question supose to be directed at rose? How do you plan to stop wade/james...it wasnt, because rose its better

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:28 PM
Man, look..wade is a beast but he isn't in roses bracket.rose is unguardable.its not because I like the bulls its because its true.rose has been around for a short time and by his second year he was all star calibur.a few years later he said he was going to be mvp, ilol then it came true.head to head he owns all pgs, bulls got best record last year with him winning mvp and half the roster hurt.in the playoffs teams beat him up to stop him.whenplaying against miami, they asked wade and james side by side how will they TRY to stop rose...no one asked magic our bird how will you stop each other.but they did ask drexler how do you stop jordan..do you get it? Head to head the elites get their points so it is no question to askunless one is going nuts.but a lesser player vs. an BETTER one that question is asked.Want that question supose to be directed at rose? How do you plan to stop wade/james...it wasnt, because rose its better

Why is this even being discussed. Rose is better then Wade. Rose is MVP.

Slimsim
01-25-2012, 04:30 PM
First melo now wade really people what is psd coming to?

justinnum1
01-25-2012, 04:35 PM
Man, look..wade is a beast but he isn't in roses bracket.rose is unguardable.its not because I like the bulls its because its true.rose has been around for a short time and by his second year he was all star calibur.a few years later he said he was going to be mvp, ilol then it came true.head to head he owns all pgs, bulls got best record last year with him winning mvp and half the roster hurt.in the playoffs teams beat him up to stop him.whenplaying against miami, they asked wade and james side by side how will they TRY to stop rose...no one asked magic our bird how will you stop each other.but they did ask drexler how do you stop jordan..do you get it? Head to head the elites get their points so it is no question to askunless one is going nuts.but a lesser player vs. an BETTER one that question is asked.Want that question supose to be directed at rose? How do you plan to stop wade/james...it wasnt, because rose its better

If that were true, they would have won the ECF.

seikou8
01-25-2012, 04:36 PM
Man, look..wade is a beast but he isn't in roses bracket.rose is unguardable.its not because I like the bulls its because its true.rose has been around for a short time and by his second year he was all star calibur.a few years later he said he was going to be mvp, ilol then it came true.head to head he owns all pgs, bulls got best record last year with him winning mvp and half the roster hurt.in the playoffs teams beat him up to stop him.whenplaying against miami, they asked wade and james side by side how will they TRY to stop rose...no one asked magic our bird how will you stop each other.but they did ask drexler how do you stop jordan..do you get it? Head to head the elites get their points so it is no question to askunless one is going nuts.but a lesser player vs. an BETTER one that question is asked.Want that question supose to be directed at rose? How do you plan to stop wade/james...it wasnt, because rose its better
this is a joke wade doesnt get as many shots as rose and still put up better sats then him last season. rose is overated yeah i said it he won the mvp now he is the best player in the nba give me a break. wade is hurt if he was fine would better than rose who isnt even averageing 20 points a game. i hate homers damn wacth the game and stop using stats and stupid logic to make players better its annoying.

mjm07
01-25-2012, 04:38 PM
There is no work being put in here. I already told you what the stats say and I am answering your questions. Whether you like my answers or not in the end the Heat arent going to win a championship as constructed. There is a reason why teams like Philly and Denver are ahead of Star power squads. Depth. If your team is playing better with you out why limit the teams capability and not fill out the roster with the unneccessary piece?

Homeslice, i get what youre saying and trading Wade now at 30 and before he really breaks down makes all the sense in the world. But the HEAT won't trade him. Simple as that. Probably not even fro D12. You think we have little depth I think you underrate our depth. Especially once Dwade comes back fully healthy. Everything else you're saying is pure hate.

seikou8
01-25-2012, 04:39 PM
Why is this even being discussed. Rose is better then Wade. Rose is MVP.

:facepalm: he should have never won the mvp but the media gsve it to him and also you dont watch basketball iam not maimi heat fan but this is geting dumb as **** rose int as good as wade ok deal with it bulls ****ing homer.

Evolution23
01-25-2012, 04:44 PM
The question should be: How good is Dwade's health?

ghettosean
01-25-2012, 04:45 PM
All I have to say is Wade is pound for pound the best player in the NBA and this is coming from a Heat hater. To say the heat are doing better is a little insane the Mavs won some games without Dirk should they trade him?!? Listen with a super short training camp, compressed schedule and next to no practices is causing issues with players all accross the league including the NBA finals MVP Dirk and others.

I wouldn't push the panic button and also if you question the team without Wade try and remember Lebron in the finals last year and that might change your mind on shipping Wade out for new pieces.

SereneAgression
01-25-2012, 04:45 PM
This is crazy... Dwayne Wade is arguably a top 5 talent every year since that championship, LeBron is 100% top 5 player. They don't compliment eachother? Two ball dominant players that have had less than a season and a half to adjust, a shortened/rushed camp, and dwayne sitting majority of this season so far, after making a finals run? Wtf... obviously you keep them together. Make this thread come playoff time, the sample is never to small because you work with the stats you have but this is honestly ridic. They may NEVER mesh the way one would want them to, but they play well and their defensive style of play suits them both very well.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:47 PM
this is a joke wade doesnt get as many shots as rose and still put up better sats then him last season. rose is overated yeah i said it he won the mvp now he is the best player in the nba give me a break. wade is hurt if he was fine would better than rose who isnt even averageing 20 points a game. i hate homers damn wacth the game and stop using stats and stupid logic to make players better its annoying.

A lot of players are playing hurt. Rose has turf toe. Melo has a hurt ankle and hurt wrist. These players still recieve judgement regardless of their injuries why should wade get a pass?

If anything it shows that Wade isnt as durable as the other 2 players. He gets injured for more frequently then the other 2. When your team is based on a tripod having one leg kicked out continuously isnt good for team chemistry.

I think the better question to be asked is what do you think is a fair trade for Wade regarding their team needs (A Center, A shooting guard when he gets traded, a point guard, and a bench) that works within the trade machine.

I dont think a multiteam trade works in this scenario because Wade cant play for 2 teams so it would have to be a 1 team trade. The only team I can see working a multi team trade is the Celtics if they are willing to part with sending Pierce or KG to another team to acquire more pieces for the Heat.

Miami recieves

Marcin Gortat
Steve Nash
Ray Allen

Boston Recieves
D Wade
C. Frye
M. Miller

Phoenix Recieves
P. Pierce
U. Haslem
M. Chalmers
J. Anthony

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:57 PM
:facepalm: he should have never won the mvp but the media gsve it to him and also you dont watch basketball iam not maimi heat fan but this is geting dumb as **** rose int as good as wade ok deal with it bulls ****ing homer.

I actually hate the Bulls just as much as the Heat. Rose went down and the Bulls won games because of their depth.

Wade went down and the Heat won more games because Wade is holding back Lebron and Bosh. Not enough balls on the court for the three of them. One has to go. You get the most bang for the buck trading wade then anyone else.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 04:58 PM
The question should be: How good is Dwade's health?

I am sure every insurance agent cringes when Wade comes around looking for health insurance.

mjm07
01-25-2012, 05:00 PM
^ I'll fix both the Bulls/HEATs problem using your logic.

Bulls send HEAT:

DRose
Asik

Heat send Bulls:

Wade
Chalmers

mjm07
01-25-2012, 05:03 PM
I am sure every insurance agent cringes when Wade comes around looking for health insurance.

Just how they run for the hills when Stat comes along. :laugh:

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 05:04 PM
^ I'll fix both the Bulls/HEATs problem using your logic.

Bulls send HEAT:

DRose
Asik

Heat send Bulls:

Wade
Chalmers

Your definitely not using my logic. My logic tells me the Bulls dont need to do any trades. They are fine as is. Rip Hamilton was a great signing for them and if it doesnt pan out there are other sgs available in march to fill out that roster. Maybe thats your own logic and in that case why would the Bulls trade their MVP that they built around for an injury proned 2 guard and a point guard who is a product of the defense focusing on everyone else? That trade makes zero sense

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 05:06 PM
Just how they run for the hills when Stat comes along. :laugh:

Yep just like Stat! only difference is Stat is healthy and Wade is injured. go figure right?

BULLSFAN0810
01-25-2012, 05:13 PM
:)
If that were true, they would have won the ECF.


I do not agree.your logic is flawed.team hurt for half the year.made playoffs carrying team.playoffs hit boozer, garbage/hurt.noah..hurt.deng banged up..rookie bench.indiana beat up rose/rose ankle sprained.indiana in a sense helped mia.
w ade guarded rose..rose lit his arse up..james the fresher of the two guarded rose.....every team was gunning at rose, cheated off bogans, brewer, went at boozer...and STILL BARELY BEAT US.oh, and don't forget Noah was useless. So your 3vs my 1 barely won .for further proof.look at game by game stats without looking at score, then ask yourself..howd miami win?

mjm07
01-25-2012, 05:17 PM
They won 4 out of 5 games. Thats the only stat that counts, in my opinion. I understand, by your fanhood, why you wouldn't. ^^^^^

Vincent
01-25-2012, 05:21 PM
:)


I do not agree.your logic is flawed.team hurt for half the year.made playoffs carrying team.playoffs hit boozer, garbage/hurt.noah..hurt.deng banged up..rookie bench.indiana beat up rose/rose ankle sprained.indiana in a sense helped mia.
w ade guarded rose..rose lit his arse up..james the fresher of the two guarded rose.....every team was gunning at rose, cheated off bogans, brewer, went at boozer...and STILL BARELY BEAT US.oh, and don't forget Noah was useless. So your 3vs my 1 barely won .for further proof.look at game by game stats without looking at score, then ask yourself..howd miami win?

Stop making excuses.

The Bulls lost, Derrick played terrible. End of story.

This year is a new year, and we'll see how it played out.


As for the OP. I think Heat and Knicks fans need to work out some sort of cease fire.... lol

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 05:28 PM
Stop making excuses.

The Bulls lost, Derrick played terrible. End of story.

This year is a new year, and we'll see how it played out.


As for the OP. I think Heat and Knicks fans need to work out some sort of cease fire.... lol

LOL - Ceasefire? Whats that?

CHANGO
01-25-2012, 05:28 PM
This is the only d wade thread?

Nah man... I just think this is very ironic... :rolleyes:

Diagnose the Knicks
01-05-2012, 12:27 AM
dnewguy

Diagnose the Heat
01-23-2012, 01:04 PM
latinofire21

-----------------------------------

Serious question here: How good is Melo?
Today, 10:06 AM
daleja424

Serious Question: How Good is D Wade?
Today, 02:30 PM
latinofire21

I think you mad... :sigh:

BULLSFAN0810
01-25-2012, 05:35 PM
this is a joke wade doesnt get as many shots as rose and still put up better sats then him last season. rose is overated yeah i said it he won the mvp now he is the best player in the nba give me a break. wade is hurt if he was fine would better than rose who isnt even averageing 20 points a game. i hate homers damn wacth the game and stop using stats and stupid logic to make players better its annoying.


And I'm no homer.wade is from chicago, ive watched him hoop in hs at marqutte
.ive watched Rose the same.who the heck are you to point out what you think I think or act as if you know me.I've talked to wade prior to rose being on bulls, I know who kills rose, the pg from kansas who he lost to who is also from chicago.so when I say rose is better its not a miami vs chicago thing..its bigger.unlike some places we have home grown talent that plays for ruler ship of the home town.so when I say rose is better, its because we seen them play from kids to adult.and as an outsider you can't and don't get it...wade is a beast..chi town style baller, but rose isnew age..stay out family business.

justinnum1
01-25-2012, 05:35 PM
:)


I do not agree.your logic is flawed.team hurt for half the year.made playoffs carrying team.playoffs hit boozer, garbage/hurt.noah..hurt.deng banged up..rookie bench.indiana beat up rose/rose ankle sprained.indiana in a sense helped mia.
w ade guarded rose..rose lit his arse up..james the fresher of the two guarded rose.....every team was gunning at rose, cheated off bogans, brewer, went at boozer...and STILL BARELY BEAT US.oh, and don't forget Noah was useless. So your 3vs my 1 barely won .for further proof.look at game by game stats without looking at score, then ask yourself..howd miami win?

You want to talk about teams being hurt? How about miller and haslem playing at 50% please, dude. I dont want to hear injury excuse.

Bruno
01-25-2012, 05:36 PM
Miami should offer Wade/picks for Howard.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 05:41 PM
Nah man... I just think this is very ironic... :rolleyes:

Diagnose the Knicks
01-05-2012, 12:27 AM
dnewguy

Diagnose the Heat
01-23-2012, 01:04 PM
latinofire21

-----------------------------------

Serious question here: How good is Melo?
Today, 10:06 AM
daleja424

Serious Question: How Good is D Wade?
Today, 02:30 PM
latinofire21

I think you mad... :sigh:

I think your wrong. Both teams have a ton to talk about. I also wrote Diagnose the Raptors, Diagnose the Lakers, and Diagnose the Celtics. You forgot to mention those.

KingPosey
01-25-2012, 05:42 PM
With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 teams, he's better than anyone they have.

Its funny how he misses 4 or 5 games and everyone points to the Heat's record like it ****ing means anything. The guy is somewhere in the top 2 or 4 players when he is healthy.

latinofire21
01-25-2012, 05:45 PM
A lot of players are playing hurt. Rose has turf toe. Melo has a hurt ankle and hurt wrist. These players still recieve judgement regardless of their injuries why should wade get a pass?

If anything it shows that Wade isnt as durable as the other 2 players. He gets injured for more frequently then the other 2. When your team is based on a tripod having one leg kicked out continuously isnt good for team chemistry.

I think the better question to be asked is what do you think is a fair trade for Wade regarding their team needs (A Center, A shooting guard when he gets traded, a point guard, and a bench) that works within the trade machine.

I dont think a multiteam trade works in this scenario because Wade cant play for 2 teams so it would have to be a 1 team trade. The only team I can see working a multi team trade is the Celtics if they are willing to part with sending Pierce or KG to another team to acquire more pieces for the Heat.

Miami recieves

Marcin Gortat
Steve Nash
Ray Allen

Boston Recieves
D Wade
C. Frye
M. Miller

Phoenix Recieves
P. Pierce
U. Haslem
M. Chalmers
J. Anthony

You wouldnt pull that trade?

Vincent
01-25-2012, 05:47 PM
You want to talk about teams being hurt? How about miller and haslem playing at 50% please, dude. I dont want to hear injury excuse.

Not making this an excuse, but those players are pretty irrelevant compared to Rose, Boozer, and Noah.

BULLSFAN0810
01-25-2012, 05:53 PM
You want to talk about teams being hurt? How about miller and haslem playing at 50% please, dude. I dont want to hear injury excuse.

I see your reasoning, but to each its own..I wish our bench was hurt or some non factor starter was injured like your team.but it was 3 outta 5 starters.with bogans it might as well been 4.rookies on the bench.taj was hurt.I didn't expect us to win last year, I was hoping miami didn't.I expect us to win this year.I'm more realistic..it takes a team 3 or 4 years to win.we just need to hold you at bay.and that bad bench its getting better for miami, but is it good enough...no

basketfan4life
01-25-2012, 05:53 PM
so, if they make the finals, and if lebron turns in to 2011 finals mode, then who would they look up to?

you're right, d-wade.

Avenged
01-25-2012, 06:08 PM
Influx of reported posts out of this thread and 18 posts deleted.. Don't think there's much to discuss here.