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cutiepie80
01-24-2012, 03:01 AM
I'm not talking about best starting group, but best 12 players on their team?

We all know the heat are probably the best team in the league from their starting 5, but what teams have a great overall team?

I will say the Thunder.

Shammyguy3
01-24-2012, 03:17 AM
So you're basically saying which team is strongest from 1-12, with everything being equal?

In that case, you can pick any of these teams:

PHI, DEN, POR, CHI, IND, MIA, OKC

Those are the top-7 in any order... if i understood your question correctly

cutiepie80
01-24-2012, 03:19 AM
So you're basically saying which team is strongest from 1-12, with everything being equal?

In that case, you can pick any of these teams:

PHI, DEN, POR, CHI, IND, MIA, OKC

Those are the top-7 in any order... if i understood your question correctly

Yes, you did.

Ebbs
01-24-2012, 03:19 AM
Dallas/Denver/Philadelphia IMO.

Voodoo Alchemy
01-24-2012, 03:20 AM
So you're basically saying which team is strongest from 1-12, with everything being equal?

In that case, you can pick any of these teams:

PHI, DEN, POR, CHI, IND, MIA, OKC

Those are the top-7 in any order... if i understood your question correctly

1. okc
2. chi
3. den
4. mia
5. por
6. phi
7. ind

Bulls_fan90
01-24-2012, 03:48 AM
Dallas/Denver/Philadelphia IMO.

Lol. Maybe if we're talking about last season.

Bulls
Thunder
Denver
Philly

Would be my top 4.

Raph12
01-24-2012, 03:52 AM
Gotta be the Bulls...

More-Than-Most
01-24-2012, 03:53 AM
1. okc
2. chi
3. den
4. mia
5. por
6. phi
7. ind

I am not a heat hater but really? I get they have the big 3 but do they really have it from everywhere like the other teams on this list?

cutiepie80
01-24-2012, 03:55 AM
Dallas/Denver/Philadelphia IMO.

:facepalm:

abe_froman
01-24-2012, 03:57 AM
bulls,philly,okc,den,por,indy

Celtics33
01-24-2012, 03:59 AM
Dallas/Denver/Philadelphia IMO.


:facepalm:

I don't understand how those are bad picks for teams. All 3 of the ones he has listed are deep teams.

cutiepie80
01-24-2012, 04:04 AM
I don't understand how those are bad picks for teams. All 3 of the ones he has listed are deep teams.

Denver, right up there no doubt.

Philly, a little overrated a bit. Until they played the Heat they had beaten 2, yes 2 teams with winning records. They are looking good on paper but it's really early.

Dallas, come on.......have you watched them this year? They look really bad and also Dirk is FINALLY showing he is winding down. The loss of Barrea and Chandler has been huge for them. Their C position is really bad and besides Kidd, who is alreayd having a bad year.....this team isn't even close to what is was last year.

This is coming from a guy who has always rooted for the mavs to come out of the west.

naps
01-24-2012, 04:15 AM
I am not a heat hater but really?

Stop being so defensive. You are a certified Heat hater.


I get they have the big 3 but do they really have it from everywhere like the other teams on this list?

Chalmers/Cole

Miller/Jones

Battier/Harris

Haslem/Howard

Curry/Pittman

Seems pretty good and balanced to me. I don't know what you are talking about.

Sadds The Gr8
01-24-2012, 04:17 AM
Chi-Town Bulls

ThePooH_1_
01-24-2012, 09:17 AM
Bulls
OKC
Denver/Heat

DR_1
01-24-2012, 09:34 AM
Stop being so defensive. You are a certified Heat hater.


Chalmers/Cole

Miller/Jones

Battier/Harris

Haslem/Howard

Curry/Pittman

Seems pretty good and balanced to me. I don't know what you are talking about.

Loll Haslem and Battier, maybe Cole, are te only quality players there.

DR_1
01-24-2012, 09:34 AM
Toss up between the Bulls and Sixers

PacersForLife
01-24-2012, 03:51 PM
1. OKC
2. CHI
3. DEN
4. IND
5. PHI
6. POR
7. MIA

Fixed it for ya buddy.

PacersForLife
01-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Amazing how the Pacers get snubbed on this site, they have a better record than the Sixers and are coming off of a win against the Lakers in LA. Currently 2nd in the east.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-24-2012, 04:02 PM
Chicago Bulls

metsbulls1025
01-24-2012, 04:05 PM
Bulls

BradfordIsElite
01-24-2012, 04:11 PM
I am not a heat hater but really? I get they have the big 3 but do they really have it from everywhere like the other teams on this list?

There's no more then a handful of teams that could lineup with Miami top to bottom. Other then their stars, Miami's supporting cast has played very well for the most part. Aren't they undefeated without Wade in the lineup?(6-0?) It's not just because of LBJ's dominance, I remember watching them a couple of weeks ago when both him and D-Wade were out a game & Mario Chalmers lit it up against Atlanta with 29pts and lead the Heat along side Chris Bosh to the victory in overtime. I'm not saying they do have the best overall team in terms of all 12 players on the roster but they shouldn't be over-looked. Udonis Haslem, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole & Joel Anthony provide a formidable supporting cast.

Sox72
01-24-2012, 04:18 PM
Dallas/Denver/Philadelphia IMO.

Yikes. Didn't anticipate anyone mentioning Dallas.....

BradfordIsElite
01-24-2012, 04:18 PM
Amazing how the Pacers get snubbed on this site, they have a better record than the Sixers and are coming off of a win against the Lakers in LA. Currently 2nd in the east.

I agree the Pacers have great depth and their team looks really good. I was shocked they beat the Lakers after the dissapointing streak they had already been on , I was expecting LA to bounce back but the Pacers continue to show they're forreal. I remember what they did last year and how they played well and fought hard against Chicago in the 1st round & now their even better. All their missing is that one player who stands out and could lead them deeper in the playoffs.

BradfordIsElite
01-24-2012, 04:25 PM
Loll Haslem and Battier, maybe Cole, are te only quality players there.

Cole has bright potential and could end up being a HUGE steal for the Heat in the draft but he's still raw and needs to learn a lot more. Chalmers is the better PG of the two right now and has played very well for Miami this year in the role he's asked to play.

theheatles
01-24-2012, 04:26 PM
Loll Haslem and Battier, maybe Cole, are te only quality players there.

a healthy mike miller, haslem, cole and battier is better than any four coming off the bulls bench...bulls have a bunch of great specialists but all 1 dimensional that would get exploited by the heat

battier > brewer
mike miller > korver
haslem > taj
cole > watson or lucas
curry or pittman < asik
james jones > korver

and the heat clearly have the edge in starters...bulls 1 advantage is in coaching and that isn't enough to overcome their deficiencies

adidas2307
01-24-2012, 04:30 PM
Bulls, Nuggets, Pacers, Thunder, Sixers, Trailblazers in no particular order. Well, no particular order minus the Bulls. They're first. :p

BradfordIsElite
01-24-2012, 04:31 PM
Toss up between the Bulls and Sixers

The Bulls are the better team but in terms of depth, the 6er's take the cake. They are just shy of 8 players averaging double figures in ppg and are arguably the most athletic team in the league.
Of course, just like any other year though, the players they have are only going to take them so far... once the playoffs arive, they will again return home early because of the lack of (SUPER)star talent.
The Bulls will again be right there at the end.

theheatles
01-24-2012, 04:34 PM
nuggets have guys on their 3rd unit that could start for the bobcats

theheatles
01-24-2012, 04:35 PM
Wow, I'm not even going to get into this. I'm by no means a major Bulls homer, but you are a ****ing moron. I don't believe I've called out someone on this site like this but wow. This actually pissed me off and it really should not have.

i'm right, don't get mad at me for your insecurities

mRc08
01-24-2012, 04:43 PM
bulls gotta be up there. rose, deng, taj, noah, and rip have all missed time and we still have the best record in the nba. sixers, pacers, and thunder def. are good 1-12 as well, right up there

adidas2307
01-24-2012, 04:50 PM
i'm right, don't get mad at me for your insecurities

I needed a good laugh today. Thank you.

PhillyOwnsAll
01-24-2012, 05:05 PM
1. Philadelphia
2. Miami
3. Dallas
4. OKC
5. Minnesota

Yes I'm a Sixer fan and I could be a homer but this team has players as deep as Jodie Meeks scoring in double figures. Any time you have Lou, Thad, and Evan off the bench and watch them play you realize they could start for any other team. No Bulls on my list because I don't think they have great depth, just play nasty defense. Minnesota has loads of young talent.

theheatles
01-24-2012, 05:07 PM
I needed a good laugh today. Thank you.

Yeah, i wouldn't bother arguing if I was you either, you were just about to get destroyed...

Each of those players are better defenders...

Battier is more complete in every way than Ronnie Brewer. IQ, 3 pt shooting, lock down defense

Likewise with a Mike Miller to korver...Mike Miller without broken thumbs is a better shooter than korver with millers d and rebounding leaps and bounds ahead of korver not making this even close

Haslem is a much more complete player than taj too...haslem is a better rebounder, man defender and even has more offensive game than taj...plus haslem is battle tested by being a key defensive stopper on a championship squad

Any logical thinking nba fan would choose the 3 heat players over those bulls

Cal827
01-24-2012, 05:12 PM
Raptors.

/ Thread.

da ThRONe
01-24-2012, 05:14 PM
Stop being so defensive. You are a certified Heat hater.


Chalmers/Cole

Miller/Jones

Battier/Harris

Haslem/Howard

Curry/Pittman

Seems pretty good and balanced to me. I don't know what you are talking about.

You forgot Joel Anthony.

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:14 PM
i'm right, don't get mad at me for your insecurities

LOL I didn't really read past Battier vs Brewer please say you aren't that stupid
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=battish01&y1=2012&p2=brewero02&y2=2012

find me where battier is this season too while you are at it

MTL_123
01-24-2012, 05:16 PM
1.76ers and its not even close. best team from 1-12 overall
2.Denver




3.Miami i just think their bench is really underrated

He115ing
01-24-2012, 05:21 PM
I am going to say Thunder as well.

northsider
01-24-2012, 05:22 PM
It is laughable that anyone could leave out a Bulls team who is still raking in wins yet dealing with injuries to Rip, Rose, Deng, Noah, Gibson, CJ Watson, Lucas. Very little teams if any at all could deal with that and remain having the best record.

Hate the Bulls but, don't be stupid while doing so.

Sixers, Thunder, Nuggs all have great overall teams as well.

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:23 PM
Bulls dont have 1 player on their roster under 12 PER heat have 8

theheatles
01-24-2012, 05:24 PM
LOL I didn't really read past Battier vs Brewer please say you aren't that stupid
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=battish01&y1=2012&p2=brewero02&y2=2012

find me where battier is this season too while you are at it

Umm, yeah, so what? Battier is more efficient offensively and was always his teams #1 defensive stopper...brewer had easier assignments and battier is more battle tested, more intelligent and I'd much rather have battier on the floor in a crucial moment over brewer

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:26 PM
why does brewer have more steals? higher per more boards, pts higher fg percent in about the same minutes?

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:32 PM
not to mention Brewer is shooting 50% from 3 compared to Battiers 36% fg% brewer 7.2 44% > Battier 4.4 36%

MTL_123
01-24-2012, 05:32 PM
Yes bulls do have a really good bench but look at the teams they played against
Pistons-W
Minnesota-W
Wizards-W
Boston-With Rose-W
Rap-W
Memphis-L-without Rose
Suns-W
Cavs-W
Bobcats-W
Nets-w the only good team that u played against was Memphis without rose and u guys lost

theheatles
01-24-2012, 05:35 PM
why does brewer have more steals? higher per more boards, pts higher fg percent in about the same minutes?

steals don't paint the picture of how good of a defender a player is, shane alters players shots and never gives clean looks...shane fg percentage is lower because he shoots more from outside but shane has his role and is marvelous at it...and shane is a better rebounder in every way...i wonder who kobe would want on his team battier or brewer? hmmmm:rolleyes:

theheatles
01-24-2012, 05:40 PM
not to mention Brewer is shooting 50% from 3 compared to Battiers 36% fg% brewer 7.2 44% > Battier 4.4 36%

oh yeah brewer must be a better shooter since he is 8-16 from 3 this season with battier at 10-27 even though this goes completely against the larger sample size...lets just go with this tiny sample size because it favors you

utl768
01-24-2012, 05:40 PM
heat

its not even close

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:42 PM
steals don't paint the picture of how good of a defender a player is, shane alters players shots and never gives clean looks...shane fg percentage is lower because he shoots more from outside but shane has his role and is marvelous at it...and shane is a better rebounder in every way...i wonder who kobe would want on his team battier or brewer? hmmmm:rolleyes:

your argument is beyond stupid the only thing Battier has on Brewer is like 8 years and your much better rebounder argument battier 1.9 brewer 2.7 and from 3 battier is 14-41 brewer is 8-16

northsider
01-24-2012, 05:45 PM
Yes bulls do have a really good bench but look at the teams they played against
Pistons-W
Minnesota-W
Wizards-W
Boston-With Rose-W
Rap-W
Memphis-L-without Rose
Suns-W
Cavs-W
Bobcats-W
Nets-w the only good team that u played against was Memphis without rose and u guys lost

You guys lost to the Bucks at home.......With Lebron. Point being just cause they are lame talent it doesn't take away that these teams play as if it were a championship game. We weren't just beating a couple of those teams we blew them out. I will take 9-1 with those injuries and the only loss being on the road.

theheatles
01-24-2012, 05:47 PM
your argument is beyond stupid the only thing Battier has on Brewer is like 8 years and your much better rebounder argument battier 1.9 brewer 2.7 and from 3 battier is 14-41 brewer is 8-16

lol that you are blindly comparing role player numbers :facepalm:

step out of your bubble and watch a game

you probably think brewer is better than bruce bowen in his prime

kobe said just last week that battier defends him better than anyone in the league, suck on that

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:48 PM
what is next norris cole and his 11.1 Per vs CJ watson and his 22.2 per?

Gritz
01-24-2012, 05:48 PM
The Wizards

They have a player that can Dougie (so that makes him elusive)
A trojan (so you know he's a warrior)
And a player that can do this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlWNoVETdk4

PraiseJesus
01-24-2012, 05:49 PM
OKC CLippers

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:50 PM
lol that you are blindly comparing role player numbers :facepalm:

step out of your bubble and watch a game

you probably think brewer is better than bruce bowen in his prime

kobe said just last week that battier defends him better than anyone in the league, suck on that

typical for a Heat fan you started this moronic argument Heat bench cannot even come close to Chicagos and I started w/ your top example

Cal827
01-24-2012, 05:53 PM
LOL, every thread ends up a Bulls Homers vs Heat Homers on this site :D

Both teams are very, very good. Probably the best two teams right now. But 1-12 talent wise has to go to the sixers as basically each of them could probably get signifcant minutes somewhere else... and they basically dealt a PF/C for scraps recently too.

theheatles
01-24-2012, 05:53 PM
what is next norris cole and his 11.1 Per vs CJ watson and his 22.2 per?

yeah bro, wtf am i thinking...cj watson is better than dwyane wade, i mean his per is higher so all hail cj watson :worthy:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

utl768
01-24-2012, 05:53 PM
lol at dudes comparing the bulls to the heat

someone didnt watch the Eastern Conference Finals last year

WildcatsPride
01-24-2012, 05:53 PM
Dallas/Denver/Philadelphia IMO.

Dallas is my favorite team, but we're not as deep as we were last year. Portland and Indiana are deep teams.

theheatles
01-24-2012, 05:54 PM
typical for a Heat fan you started this moronic argument Heat bench cannot even come close to Chicagos and I started w/ your top example

your being a fool and using numbers blindly

utl768
01-24-2012, 05:54 PM
what is next norris cole and his 11.1 Per vs CJ watson and his 22.2 per?

cj watson for mvp

:facepalm:

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:55 PM
yeah bro, wtf am i thinking...cj watson is better than dwyane wade, i mean his per is higher so all hail cj watson :worthy:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:

I am comparing Role Playes in the same position head to head you mention Gimp Wade, your argument is Stupid as Hell and you are trying to say over the top ******* because you are a moron sorta like Skip Bayless does

sager729
01-24-2012, 05:56 PM
a healthy mike miller, haslem, cole and battier is better than any four coming off the bulls bench...bulls have a bunch of great specialists but all 1 dimensional that would get exploited by the heat

battier > brewer
mike miller > korver
haslem > taj
cole > watson or lucas
curry or pittman < asik
james jones > korver

and the heat clearly have the edge in starters...bulls 1 advantage is in coaching and that isn't enough to overcome their deficiencies

This made me laugh. Battier is not near Brewer as a player anymore. Mike Miller and Korver are the same player. Taj is a better player right now than Haslem. CJ Watson has shown that he is better than a rookie. Cmon man, if you don't know basketball then don't discuss it. At least you got Asik is A LOT better than Curry or Pittman.

I think Denver is a very deep team. I would put OKC/CHI/DEN in the top 3. I am not sure which order without really looking at the teams closely.

utl768
01-24-2012, 05:56 PM
I am comparing Role Playes in the same position head to head you mention Gimp Wade, your argument is Stupid as Hell and you are trying to say over the top ******* because you are a moron sorta like Skip Bayless does

u know dudes like this have lost the argument when they resort to name calling

northsider
01-24-2012, 05:56 PM
lol at dudes comparing the bulls to the heat

someone didnt watch the Eastern Conference Finals last year

Yes cause using what happened a year ago always holds true the next year. So clearly the Mavs. are still better then the Heat as well and will win the championship this year.

MTL_123
01-24-2012, 05:56 PM
typical for a Heat fan you started this moronic argument Heat bench cannot even come close to Chicagos and I started w/ your top example

Bulls Bench averages 28.3 pts a game
Miami Bench averages 26.9 pts a game Not a big difference

Cal827
01-24-2012, 05:56 PM
Look at me, I'm Peter Pan!

chitown815
01-24-2012, 05:57 PM
your being a fool and using numbers blindly

Ok lets use results than

MTL_123
01-24-2012, 05:58 PM
This made me laugh. Battier is not near Brewer as a player anymore. Mike Miller and Korver are the same player. Taj is a better player right now than Haslem. CJ Watson has shown that he is better than a rookie. Cmon man, if you don't know basketball then don't discuss it. At least you got Asik is A LOT better than Curry or Pittman.

I think Denver is a very deep team. I would put OKC/CHI/DEN in the top 3. I am not sure which order without really looking at the teams closely.

:speechless: UD leads the league in reb off the bench n u think taj is better wow

Cal827
01-24-2012, 05:58 PM
I just found the key to happiness... in my pants.

chitown815
01-24-2012, 06:03 PM
Bulls Bench averages 28.3 pts a game
Miami Bench averages 26.9 pts a game Not a big difference

how much does the Heats bench hold the other team to compared to the Bulls bench?

JordansBulls
01-24-2012, 06:04 PM
Heat
Thunder
Bulls
Pacers

theheatles
01-24-2012, 06:09 PM
This made me laugh. Battier is not near Brewer as a player anymore. Mike Miller and Korver are the same player. Taj is a better player right now than Haslem. CJ Watson has shown that he is better than a rookie. Cmon man, if you don't know basketball then don't discuss it. At least you got Asik is A LOT better than Curry or Pittman.

I think Denver is a very deep team. I would put OKC/CHI/DEN in the top 3. I am not sure which order without really looking at the teams closely.

Mike Miller is clearly better than Korver when healthy...Miller is a fiesty rebounder and defender and kover is a nothing...Thibs stopped playing korver vs miami in last yrs ecf because the heat would relentlessly attack korver and he was helpless...UD is WAYYY better than taj as a defender and rebounder with a more polished offensive game...of the things battier does, he is better than brewer, battier can frustrate the bigggest "assassin" in the nba like no other and can bury the corner 3 with the best of them, if you want tho believe brewer is a better 3 pt shooter(.252 career) than battier (.384 career) than you are living in a fantasy land...maybe i was a little overzealous saying cole is better than watson right now but what he did against the celtics in the 4th is more impressive than anything i've seen watson do in i believe 4 games in which i saw watson play

Cal827
01-24-2012, 06:11 PM
:catfight: This bickering has gotten worse than The Bachleor.

When the 6-10 god Paul George ends both of your team's season, then I'll hope you guys will shut up and start working together to prevent the armageddon.

chitown815
01-24-2012, 06:17 PM
Mike Miller is clearly better than Korver when healthy...Miller is a fiesty rebounder and defender and kover is a nothing...Thibs stopped playing korver vs miami in last yrs ecf because the heat would relentlessly attack korver and he was helpless...UD is WAYYY better than taj as a defender and rebounder with a more polished offensive game...of the things battier does, he is better than brewer, battier can frustrate the bigggest "assassin" in the nba like no other and can bury the corner 3 with the best of them, if you want tho believe brewer is a better 3 pt shooter(.252 career) than battier (.384 career) than you are living in a fantasy land...maybe i was a little overzealous saying cole is better than watson right now but what he did against the celtics in the 4th is more impressive than anything i've seen watson do in i believe 4 games in which i saw watson play

Brewer has improved his shot he is 26 and progressing Battier is 33 and declining, and norris cole does have potential, but in reality its not like wall, irving etc coming out early, he is the same age as Derrick Rose is right now, he had alot of time to mature in college

chitown815
01-24-2012, 06:19 PM
and you are 100% correct about Korver/miller and taj/haslem

chitown815
01-24-2012, 06:21 PM
:catfight: This bickering has gotten worse than The Bachleor.

When the 6-10 god Paul George ends both of your team's season, then I'll hope you guys will shut up and start working together to prevent the armageddon.

i have nightmares about Paul George every day and I have to face my fears tomorrow night at the United Center

Cal827
01-24-2012, 06:25 PM
i have nightmares about Paul George every day and I have to face my fears tomorrow night at the United Center

lol, You aren't the only one sir. As a Craptor fan, I've already had to deal with it twice :cry: Why does Stern Hate Us so Much?!

THE GIPPER
01-24-2012, 06:25 PM
Indiana and Philly are way too high on most peoples lists imo

ll_eric_ll
01-24-2012, 06:30 PM
Dallas, Bulls...
people like going offa records. but in this compressed season where the good teams just want to be healthy for playoffs,.. records dont really matter, Dallas still has a solid squad, top to bottom...

010957
01-24-2012, 06:43 PM
Why has no-one been mentioning utah. They have solid depth. Best 'depth' though in my opinion definately goes to the denver nuggets. Let me compare to philly.

PG: Ty Lawson/Andre Miller > Jrue Holiday/Louis Williams
SG: Arron Afflolo/ Rudy Fernandez > Jodie Meeks/ Evan Turner
SF: Gallanari/Corey Brewer > Andre Igudala/ Andres Nocioni
PF: Nene/Al Harington > Elton Brand/Thad Young
C: Tomofey Mosgov/ Chris Anderson < Spencer Haws/ Tonnie Battie

JordansBulls
01-24-2012, 06:44 PM
Why has no-one been mentioning utah. They have solid depth. Best 'depth' though in my opinion definately goes to the denver nuggets. Let me compare to philly.

PG: Ty Lawson/Andre Miller > Jrue Holiday/Louis Williams
SG: Arron Afflolo/ Rudy Fernandez > Jodie Meeks/ Evan Turner
SF: Gallanari/Corey Brewer > Andre Igudala/ Andres Nocioni
PF: Nene/Al Harington > Elton Brand/Thad Young
C: Tomofey Mosgov/ Chris Anderson < Spencer Haws/ Tonnie Battie

Nuggets and Philly are surprising me.

010957
01-24-2012, 06:47 PM
steals don't paint the picture of how good of a defender a player is, shane alters players shots and never gives clean looks...shane fg percentage is lower because he shoots more from outside but shane has his role and is marvelous at it...and shane is a better rebounder in every way...i wonder who kobe would want on his team battier or brewer? hmmmm:rolleyes:

c'mon, everyone who watches heat games KNOWS battier has sucked big time this year

010957
01-24-2012, 06:48 PM
Nuggets and Philly are surprising me.

mhhhmmmmm, i also failed to mention denver also has rookies 'kennith faried' and 'jordan hamilton' just sitting on the bench..

metsbulls1025
01-24-2012, 06:48 PM
:speechless: UD leads the league in reb off the bench n u think taj is better wow

Are we comparing individual players or a team? As a team the Bulls bench outplays Miami's bench on both ends of the floor due to our system. You want to know why UD gets more rebounds than Taj? Because Omer Asik is a very good at rebounding and they pretty much take away from each other.

Also Haslem plays like 29 minutes a game compared to Taj at like 17.

chitown815
01-24-2012, 08:59 PM
True :nod:

Shammyguy3
01-24-2012, 09:21 PM
Umm, yeah, so what? Battier is more efficient offensively and was always his teams #1 defensive stopper...brewer had easier assignments and battier is more battle tested, more intelligent and I'd much rather have battier on the floor in a crucial moment over brewer

Wrong. This season Brewer has been more efficient, in all of ts%, efg%, and ORtg. CJ Watson is farrrrrrrrrrrr more efficient than Norris Cole is. Watson takes care of the ball more, and is a better passer. Watson's defense is great too. I haven't seen enough of Cole to see his though.

The Bulls bench is easily better than the Heat's bench. It's not close. Watson, Brewer, Asik are immensely better than Cole, Battier, Curry/Pittman.

2011/2012
Mike Miller: 83.9ts%, 85.3efg%, 4.3ast%, 66.7tov%, ORtg 77. 12.0usg% (17 shots)
Kyle Korver: 59.2ts% 56.5efg%, 9.4ast% 10.5tov%, ORtg 120, 13.5usg% (93 shots)

Miller's hardly played. He's taken only 17 shots so far. So i'm not going to even evaluate it even further from his side, but Korver has been great for the Bulls this season. The only difference is that Miller's a better rebounder, arguably slightly better defensively. That's it... it's closer to a push than anything.

Literally the only thing that has been better on the Heat's bench compared to the Bulls' this season is Haslem. That's it.

Watson > Cole
Brewer > Battier
Korver = Miller
Gibson < Haslem
Asik > Pittman/Curry


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=brewero02&y1=2012&p2=battish01&y2=2012&p3=watsocj01&y3=2012&p4=coleno01&y4=2012&p5=gibsota01&y5=2012&p6=hasleud01&y6=2012



Dallas, Bulls...
people like going offa records. but in this compressed season where the good teams just want to be healthy for playoffs,.. records dont really matter, Dallas still has a solid squad, top to bottom...

Dallas doesn't... i'm sorry. Records do matter when we're looking at a question like this, because depth is the most important thing in determining record this season.

JJ_JKidd
01-24-2012, 10:48 PM
I'm not talking about best starting group, but best 12 players on their team?

We all know the heat are probably the best team in the league from their starting 5, but what teams have a great overall team?

I will say the Thunder.

I will say the (insert your FAVORITE team here) :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

DChibes
01-24-2012, 11:03 PM
The Bulls, Nuggets, and Heat are my top 3

I really like what the Bulls are doing in not rushing back their starters. Smart move

MJ-BULLS
01-24-2012, 11:11 PM
Not trying to be a homer but its the Bulls. and stats say so.

JJ_JKidd
01-25-2012, 05:12 AM
Not trying to be a homer but its the Bulls. and stats say so.

Really? :facepalm:

abe_froman
01-25-2012, 05:39 AM
Really? :facepalm:

its a very good answer,not a homer answer at all.many people who arent bulls fans think so,and statistically it puts them at/near the convo of it.how is that homer?

MJ-BULLS
01-25-2012, 05:49 AM
Really? :facepalm:

The bulls have the best Ortg and are second in the NBA in drtg. Oh, and what's that, we have the best record in the NBA right now, just like last year, we are a deep *** team. Look at The stats before you start throwing facepalms.

010957
01-25-2012, 07:07 AM
Just to get this clear. Is this the best team, or the team with the best 1-12 players on their team.. there is a difference

SportsAndrew25
01-25-2012, 10:57 AM
Bulls, Heat & Thunder.

ghettosean
01-27-2012, 07:09 PM
lol that you are blindly comparing role player numbers :facepalm:

step out of your bubble and watch a game

you probably think brewer is better than bruce bowen in his prime

kobe said just last week that battier defends him better than anyone in the league, suck on that
Wow guy you got smoked in this argument long time ago with proof and stats and you are still carrying on like you are right on this... I just don't get it...

You mad?!? LOL

The Flash
01-27-2012, 07:55 PM
So what if the Bulls have a deeper team than the Heat? I see people arguing and it all seems to me that we're comparing penis sizes . All teams are constructed differently what matters is players knowing their roles. Sure the Bulls had an easy schedule so far but they also had injuries and also got to respect the fact that they play hard as a team everytime. Comon people learn to respect competition nothing wrong with that

Baller1
01-28-2012, 04:18 PM
It's OKC and Chicago above the rest of the pack. Then the second tier would be Denver and Philly.

Kind of indicative by the records.