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DenButsu
01-22-2012, 12:22 PM
Just wanted to put this out there especially to non-Nuggets fans (who might be more objective than us).

Truth be told, I wasn't completely sold on him after the trade last season. He had some real bright spots, but at the same time some pretty significant struggles with consistency.

He is pretty quickly changing my mind this season. I'm posting this on the heels of his career best game, which obviously isn't indicative of his average level of play. But in less than a month, he has had quite a few very impressive performances. He leads the Nuggets in PER (players with significant minutes) and ppg, and is 6th in the league in free throws.

His shot could still use some improvement (his TS% is significantly better than his eFG%), but I'm really liking what I've seen from him this season, and how his game seems to be on a steadily upward trajectory.

Anyhow, I don't think he'll be an All-Star starter anytime soon with Durant pretty much locking down the SF position for the forseeable future. But what do you think, how good (or not) will he be a couple years down the line?

Becks2307
01-22-2012, 12:37 PM
Gallo is a boss

22 and 7 in his prime

thekmp211
01-22-2012, 12:38 PM
he will fight for backup F all-star spots. i really like his game, has a bit of everything and the effort is always there.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-22-2012, 12:39 PM
Top 20 player

Chill_Will_24
01-22-2012, 12:39 PM
A poor mans Dirck

Sadds The Gr8
01-22-2012, 12:40 PM
I think he'll be a career borderline all-star like Kevin Martin. He's too inconsistent for my liking. If he can play well on a consistent basis then i can see him being an all-star a couple times.

Tmath
01-22-2012, 12:41 PM
A little better than Carmello.

NYKnickFanatic
01-22-2012, 12:42 PM
I remember when everyone said he was overrated and all this **** when he was on the Knicks. He is really good, great shooter, plays solid D, high basketball IQ and he loves the pressure. Never backs down. I love Gallo.

meloman1592
01-22-2012, 12:46 PM
Better than Melo that's for sure

kozelkid
01-22-2012, 12:47 PM
10 feet.

In all seriousness, he's pretty good. I liked him a lot the last few years and he's capable of being a very nice, allstar caliber player. I can't think of who he reminds me of, but I think comparing him to Dirk is a bit of a lazy comparison.

Swashcuff
01-22-2012, 12:49 PM
I remember when everyone said he was overrated and all this **** when he was on the Knicks. He is really good, great shooter, plays solid D, high basketball IQ and he loves the pressure. Never backs down. I love Gallo.

Everyone said he was overrated because Knicks posters tried to shove him down the NBA Forum's throat every chance they got. He was extremely overrated by Knicks fans.

As for the topic I'd agree with the poster who said Kevin Martin type level. One thing worth mentioning however is that early in his career most regarded Gallo as being just a 3 pt specialist but this season he's proven that he's way more than just that since really hasn't shot the 3 very well for far this year but is still having major impact.

xxplayerxx23
01-22-2012, 12:52 PM
really like him I think he can be a 20-22 point scorer with like 6-7 bounds a game. wish we gave up fields instead ofgalo for melo:(

Jint.
01-22-2012, 12:54 PM
all-star

Slimsim
01-22-2012, 12:56 PM
Dirk potential And a better team player than melo

roshan3ai
01-22-2012, 01:00 PM
He's still my favorite player after the trade. He can be better than Kevin Martin soley because of how much better he is on the defensive end. His ceiling is 23 and 8 with really efficient shooting percentages.

TheNumber37
01-22-2012, 01:01 PM
Poor Man's dirk.
At best he could be Peja in his prime, but not as good a passer. Still, better than Hedo.

KnicksR4Real
01-22-2012, 01:04 PM
My boy Gallo! He can be great. All Star great.

roshan3ai
01-22-2012, 01:05 PM
Poor Man's dirk.
At best he could be Peja in his prime, but not as good a passer. Still, better than Hedo.
He's a very willing passer and a ton better than both on the defensive end. Peja was a better outside shooter, but Gallo has more of an all-around offensive game. He's great at getting to the line. The most Peja ever went to the line per game was 4.7, which is less than Gallo just these last two years (6 this year and 6.3 last year)

Kashmir13579
01-22-2012, 01:17 PM
He was considered a bum when he was with the Knicks. His ceiling was a "role player".

Kashmir13579
01-22-2012, 01:18 PM
My boy Gallo! He can be great. All Star great.
I think so too. Always have.

thekmp211
01-22-2012, 01:21 PM
Poor Man's dirk.
At best he could be Peja in his prime, but not as good a passer. Still, better than Hedo.

he's a much better defender/rebounder than peja. not the same kind of ball-handler/passer as hedo.

i see him in his prime as a slightly better version of rashard lewis. can dribble drive and defend the perimeter better than shard could.

Bubba313
01-22-2012, 01:21 PM
This thread is case and point why the NBA forum is a joke. If a Knick fan suggested last year that Gallo could be a great player they were laughed out of the forum. Now that he's on the Nuggets, doing the exact same thing he was doing on the Knicks, everyone's hoppin on the bandwagon.

Regardless, still a great player, definitely miss him

Sportfan
01-22-2012, 01:53 PM
What is Chandlers ceiling?

Federal Reserve
01-22-2012, 01:57 PM
I knew Gallo was something special when he would go hard at Lebron in every game they played each other.

blastmasta26
01-22-2012, 02:01 PM
Back-up F in the ASG, one of the most efficient perimeter players in the league.

nycericanguy
01-22-2012, 02:23 PM
This thread is case and point why the NBA forum is a joke. If a Knick fan suggested last year that Gallo could be a great player they were laughed out of the forum. Now that he's on the Nuggets, doing the exact same thing he was doing on the Knicks, everyone's hoppin on the bandwagon.

Regardless, still a great player, definitely miss him

Agreed, Gallo is the same player he was on NY, he's always been great at getting to the FT line. And he's always taken 40-50% of his shots from 3. Yet in NY he was a "one trick pony" and nothing but a "role player". Now of course the perception has changed.

Some DEN fans even said Denver would be better off letting Melo walk instead of taking Gallo. :facepalm:

As for the question, Gallo is a really good player. He was always one of my favorites. He will get you 16ppg without looking for his offense or stats. He can do a little bit of everything. He's great at getting to the FT line which means he'll get you 16ppg on only 11 or 12 FGA per game.

His ceiling? I don't think he'll ever be a HUGE scorer, just not his mentality, and his rebounding average of 4.5rpg for his career is not impressive for a 6'10 player. But I think he can be a 20 6 & 4 guy, and he'll do it in the flow. As he once said "I'm no superstar, I just want to help the team win"

My main concern with him initially was the back surgery his rookie year, but that seems to have been nothing as he's been healthy ever since.

The way it looks now, Denver REALLY lucked out being "forced" to take Gallo instead of Favors.

yanksrock
01-22-2012, 02:34 PM
Better than Melo that's for sure

I would have to agree based on Team play. However Melo is still the more talented player.

DenButsu
01-22-2012, 02:35 PM
Some DEN fans even said Denver would be better off letting Melo walk instead of taking Gallo. :facepalm:

I don't recall many (or any) Nuggs fans framing it like that.

There were some who thought that the flexibility, cap space, and inevitable trip to the lottery that would come along with the dramatic drop in payroll if Melo walked for nothing could end up translating to comparable or better value than what the Knicks were most often rumored to be putting on the table (which usually was considerably less than what the Nuggets actually received). I was in the "get the best possible trade package" camp, but I don't think their view was completely unreasonable.

Also, when it came to which NYK players Nuggs fans wanted in the event of a Knicks trade, Gallo was on practically everyone's list. There was much more debate about guys like Moz and Fields, and how much (or little) potential they had.

I'd also add that if people were less than overwhelmed by Gallo's NYK stint last season (and I'd consider myself among them), I'd hope we could be at least partly forgiven by how large a shadow Amare's studly performance upon arrival and the whole Melo ordeal interplaying with that cast over everything.

Iodine
01-22-2012, 02:41 PM
Bobby Dandridge type offensive impact, solid d but not on Bobby D's level.

still a good guy to have around to say the least, so if you could just trade him to the spurs :)

nycericanguy
01-22-2012, 02:41 PM
I don't recall many (or any) Nuggs fans framing it like that.

There were some who thought that the flexibility, cap space, and inevitable trip to the lottery that would come along with the dramatic drop in payroll if Melo walked for nothing could end up translating to comparable or better value than what the Knicks were most often rumored to be putting on the table (which usually was considerably less than what the Nuggets actually received). I was in the "get the best possible trade package" camp, but I don't think their view was completely unreasonable.

Also, when it came to which NYK players Nuggs fans wanted in the event of a Knicks trade, Gallo was on practically everyone's list. There was much more debate about guys like Moz and Fields, and how much (or little) potential they had.

I'd also add that if people were less than overwhelmed by Gallo's NYK stint last season (and I'd consider myself among them), I'd hope we could be at least partly forgiven by how large a shadow Amare's studly performance upon arrival and the whole Melo ordeal interplaying with that cast over everything.

Hey its nothing personal, as Hawkeye said NY fans just can't win in the NBA forum. we take alot of heat...most are used to it, but there is always the bad bunch.

When we suck we get trashed.

when we start getting young players with talent and get excited and optimistic (lee, Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Shumpert)... they get called overrated, product of the system, role player...etc...etc...

Right now alot of Knick fans are regretting the trade, we knew Gallo was going to be very good, but we didn't know Melo was...and i know its early... but he's been seemingly a cancer, EVERYONE on our team has regressed since we got him... right now Melo reminds me of an Al harrington with better passing ability and gets to the line a ton...other then that they seem to be the same. tough times in NY... :facepalm:

alencp3
01-22-2012, 03:05 PM
45/17/8

koreancabbage
01-22-2012, 03:33 PM
I would have to agree based on Team play. However Melo is still the more talented player.

very true, but i would only now take Melo in a 1 v 1 league. its the only way his team can win lol

Denver raped that trade big time. but i don't know which is more of the team killer- Stoudemire or Melo. both are one trick ponies, all offense no defense. and when i say offense- it means the ball is going to stick in their hands.

DenButsu
01-22-2012, 03:35 PM
Hey its nothing personal, as Hawkeye said NY fans just can't win in the NBA forum. we take alot of heat...most are used to it, but there is always the bad bunch.

When we suck we get trashed.

when we start getting young players with talent and get excited and optimistic (lee, Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Shumpert)... they get called overrated, product of the system, role player...etc...etc...

Right now alot of Knick fans are regretting the trade, we knew Gallo was going to be very good, but we didn't know Melo was...and i know its early... but he's been seemingly a cancer, EVERYONE on our team has regressed since we got him... right now Melo reminds me of an Al harrington with better passing ability and gets to the line a ton...other then that they seem to be the same. tough times in NY... :facepalm:

Melo's really hard to build around, actually. People who were paying attention could see the potential for a train wreck with a Melo/Amare combination. Melo needs guys like K-Mart and Afflalo and Dahntay Jones flanking him to mask his defensive weaknesses. It's really unfortunate that Harrellson got injured. He's the proper kind of complimentary player to Melo that NYK needs more of. Baron should be a good fit, though. I think he'll be a big help not only to the overall team dynamic, but to Melo's individual game as well.

Harrington has dropped a lot of jaws this season. Who knew? He lost like 20 pounds over the offseason/lockout, which was a shocker because last season he seemed fat, dispassionate, and like he was already on the outs. Nobody saw this coming. It can't last long, though. And Andre Miller will be gone, too (NYK may want to keep his number on their rolodex). Denver's gonna need the young guys to step up, pretty much starting now.

Bubba313
01-22-2012, 03:42 PM
Melo's really hard to build around, actually. People who were paying attention could see the potential for a train wreck with a Melo/Amare combination. Melo needs guys like K-Mart and Afflalo and Dahntay Jones flanking him to mask his defensive weaknesses. It's really unfortunate that Harrellson got injured. He's the proper kind of complimentary player to Melo that NYK needs more of. Baron should be a good fit, though. I think he'll be a big help not only to the overall team dynamic, but to Melo's individual game as well.

Harrington has dropped a lot of jaws this season. Who knew? He lost like 20 pounds over the offseason/lockout, which was a shocker because last season he seemed fat, dispassionate, and like he was already on the outs. Nobody saw this coming. It can't last long, though. And Andre Miller will be gone, too (NYK may want to keep his number on their rolodex). Denver's gonna need the young guys to step up, pretty much starting now.

The thing is Melo hasn't really been bad on the defensive end at all this year. He's actually probably been our 3rd best defender (Tyson, Shumpert, maybe Jorts).

What I do like about Baron is that he won't be afraid to say no to Melo or Amar'e when they wanna go ISO every play. A good veteran who knows how to keep everyone happy. That's kind of what Chauncey did for us even though he wasn't very good here. We need someone to control how many touches our stars get while still keeping everyone in the game. If Baron can't do that then were in for a long season

lvlheaded
01-22-2012, 03:44 PM
I love Gallo. I think he's gonna be a star

Vinylman
01-22-2012, 03:45 PM
as a flopper limitless

GOON MUSIC
01-22-2012, 03:48 PM
Broke my heart when they traded Gallo

Hustla23
01-22-2012, 03:48 PM
Gallo has huge potential. He's putting up his numbers without even shooting well from three. If his three point shot comes around, which I don't doubt that it will given he was drafted with the label of a sniper, then he can be one of the most efficient all around players in the league, bar none.

Gallo is a tremendous #3 option as of now, but he can easily be a high caliber #2.

seikou8
01-22-2012, 03:49 PM
ummmmmmmmm knicks fans show no heart or soul this season is not over people damn. people making all these threads the knicks are playing bad okay but thats no reason to bash them and when the knicks go ontheir run if you guys say you were there all along,these fan knicks fans even get mad after wins.

JasonJohnHorn
01-22-2012, 03:49 PM
I'd put his ceiling at 6 feet and 11 inches.

yanksrock
01-22-2012, 04:00 PM
very true, but i would only now take Melo in a 1 v 1 league. its the only way his team can win lol

Denver raped that trade big time. but i don't know which is more of the team killer- Stoudemire or Melo. both are one trick ponies, all offense no defense. and when i say offense- it means the ball is going to stick in their hands.

Agreed

Evolution23
01-22-2012, 04:24 PM
Broke my heart when they traded Gallo

This. Gallo still has allstar potential.

nycericanguy
01-22-2012, 04:26 PM
Melo's really hard to build around, actually. People who were paying attention could see the potential for a train wreck with a Melo/Amare combination. Melo needs guys like K-Mart and Afflalo and Dahntay Jones flanking him to mask his defensive weaknesses. It's really unfortunate that Harrellson got injured. He's the proper kind of complimentary player to Melo that NYK needs more of. Baron should be a good fit, though. I think he'll be a big help not only to the overall team dynamic, but to Melo's individual game as well.

Harrington has dropped a lot of jaws this season. Who knew? He lost like 20 pounds over the offseason/lockout, which was a shocker because last season he seemed fat, dispassionate, and like he was already on the outs. Nobody saw this coming. It can't last long, though. And Andre Miller will be gone, too (NYK may want to keep his number on their rolodex). Denver's gonna need the young guys to step up, pretty much starting now.

To be honest, Melo hasn't been bad defensively, at least in NY. I don't really notice his defense either way, which tells me he's about average.

The problem has been his horrendous shooting and constant ISO plays. You see him averaging 26, 7 & 4 and those numbers look great, but he's shooting BY FAR a career low % and he just stops the ball so damn much. Then you throw in Amare who went from 25 9 & 2 last year to 17 & 8 on a ridiculous 41% shooting, again by far a career low... i just dont know what to think.

It's looking like they are just making each other worse, hopefully Davis can bring some cohesiveness because NY has absolutely no PG right now. If not I think NY needs to get Nash, Jameer or Felton in the summer, and if they can't, send Melo to NJ afterall for Deron.

Gallo will backup Durant in an all star game or two eventually.

Chronz
01-22-2012, 04:30 PM
Chancey Billups type impact

So where are all the people that said the Nuggs would suck?

Raph12
01-22-2012, 04:37 PM
25-7-4 at best...

Knicks21
01-22-2012, 04:45 PM
He doesn't play for the knicks so sky's the limit.

Jint.
01-22-2012, 04:47 PM
probally 8ft. :D

effen5
01-22-2012, 04:49 PM
He has a real coach coaching Gallo now, Im sure he will do extremely well going forward.

JEDean89
01-22-2012, 04:51 PM
gallo has yet to get anywhere near his ceiling. his height gives him a tremendous advantage and he often shoots over smaller opponents. he is good on defense and moves fast for a guy his size. he is not a power forward though, he is a finesse player and his rebounding/shot blocking will never be amazing. what he does do though is get to the line and convert convert convert. when he learns to post up and to work his way into the game by going to the stripe and not taking his first 3 shots behind the line he can be a 20+ ppg guy.

Hellcrooner
01-22-2012, 04:55 PM
20-10 some allstar games when its all said and done.

Second man in a ring winner.

DenButsu
01-24-2012, 04:13 AM
Sorry to bump late, but I'd wanted to see what others thought before posting my own opinion, which is:

I think his ceiling, by way of analogy, is to be the Manu of small forwards.

Celtics33
01-24-2012, 04:20 AM
I think he'll be a career borderline all-star like Kevin Martin. He's too inconsistent for my liking. If he can play well on a consistent basis then i can see him being an all-star a couple times.

I agree, I have the same feeling toward him. He's far to inconsistent to garner a all-star selection or be considered with the top players at his position.

Rockice_8
01-24-2012, 09:08 AM
Playing much better since he decided to attack the rim more (I blame D' Antoni for that). I can see him topping out at around 18 ppg with 6 boards with 4 apg. I don't see the killer/chucker instinct in him to shoot just to get his. He plays within the system and to unselfishly to ever be the 20+ ppg scorer but I'll take 18ppg while doing it efficiently and still making the extra pass to set up his teammates for good shots.

Like guys that make the extra pass and would love Gallo on my team. Not the best defender (slow laterally) but he holds his own cause the effort is there and that's all you can ask for.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 11:41 AM
Everyone said he was overrated because Knicks posters tried to shove him down the NBA Forum's throat every chance they got. He was extremely overrated by Knicks fans.



Disagree. It only feels like they're shoving it down your throat because there are so many Knicks fans. From what i can remember, none of us projected him to be much better than what everyone is saying right now. His skillset is the same, his production is the same, the only thing that has changed is his team.

If a few posters make a Larry Bird comparison, it isn't on all Knick fans.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 11:43 AM
Playing much better since he decided to attack the rim more (I blame D' Antoni for that). I can see him topping out at around 18 ppg with 6 boards with 4 apg. I don't see the killer/chucker instinct in him to shoot just to get his. He plays within the system and to unselfishly to ever be the 20+ ppg scorer but I'll take 18ppg while doing it efficiently and still making the extra pass to set up his teammates for good shots.

Like guys that make the extra pass and would love Gallo on my team. Not the best defender (slow laterally) but he holds his own cause the effort is there and that's all you can ask for.

He was attacking the rim on the Knicks. Why do you think he was among the league leaders in FTs. It wasn't because he was getting fouled on 3s.

nycsports2
01-24-2012, 11:49 AM
all star.. been a boss everyone just hates on him cuz he was on the knicks

He115ing
01-24-2012, 11:58 AM
Against the Knicks, he has no ceiling, can probably score in the hundreds, but then again, I think anyone can:facepalm:. Against real NBA competition I can see him as a 20ppg scorer.

nycericanguy
01-24-2012, 12:02 PM
Playing much better since he decided to attack the rim more (I blame D' Antoni for that). I can see him topping out at around 18 ppg with 6 boards with 4 apg. I don't see the killer/chucker instinct in him to shoot just to get his. He plays within the system and to unselfishly to ever be the 20+ ppg scorer but I'll take 18ppg while doing it efficiently and still making the extra pass to set up his teammates for good shots.

Like guys that make the extra pass and would love Gallo on my team. Not the best defender (slow laterally) but he holds his own cause the effort is there and that's all you can ask for.

Must you always come into every thread just to say something anti-knick?

He ALWAYS got to the FT line alot, nothing has changed.

Last year with NY - 5.4-6.0 FTAPG

This year with DEN - 5.4-6.0 FTAPG

EXACTLY THE SAME.

He's playing the way he's always played, that "one trick pony", and "soft euro" and "role player" tags that he had in NY were just fabrications that I wasn't ever quite sure where they came from, because the last thing Gallo ever was, was "soft".

He's always been a very good player, yes there were comparisons to Dirk early on, but I think we realized he wasn't that type of player by year 2 or 3.

The Manu comparison is a good one, right down to their FGAPG and they both shoot 40-50% of their attempts from 3. I do think he'll crack 20ppg once or twice in his career, but overall he's more of an all around 16-18ppg player.

omdigga
01-24-2012, 12:04 PM
gallo made his house with no ceilings..

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 12:07 PM
He's playing the way he's always played, that "one trick pony", and "soft euro" and "role player" tags that he had in NY were just fabrications that I wasn't ever quite sure where they came from, because the last thing Gallo ever was, was "soft".

We live in bizarro world or something. This is unequivocal evidence that NY players don't get a fair shake on here. Gallo is playing the same way he always has.

Rockice_8
01-24-2012, 12:27 PM
Must you always come into every thread just to say something anti-knick?

He ALWAYS got to the FT line alot, nothing has changed.

Last year with NY - 5.4-6.0 FTAPG

This year with DEN - 5.4-6.0 FTAPG

EXACTLY THE SAME.

He's playing the way he's always played, that "one trick pony", and "soft euro" and "role player" tags that he had in NY were just fabrications that I wasn't ever quite sure where they came from, because the last thing Gallo ever was, was "soft".

He's always been a very good player, yes there were comparisons to Dirk early on, but I think we realized he wasn't that type of player by year 2 or 3.

The Manu comparison is a good one, right down to their FGAPG and they both shoot 40-50% of their attempts from 3. I do think he'll crack 20ppg once or twice in his career, but overall he's more of an all around 16-18ppg player.


I'm not a Knick basher but D'Antoni does let his team shoot alot of 3's. I don't follow Gallo's FT shooting (it was an incorrect assumption) but it just feels like he is attacking more then when he was in NY. Numbers say not so much but he is taking less threes and in his short time last season with DEN you can see Karl really pushed him to attack more. Look at his numbers last year they jumped up to over a FT per game more after the trade a product of less 3's.

Don't get all defensive.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 12:42 PM
I'm not a Knick basher but D'Antoni does let his team shoot alot of 3's. I don't follow Gallo's FT shooting (it was an incorrect assumption) but it just feels like he is attacking more then when he was in NY. Numbers say not so much but he is taking less threes and in his short time last season with DEN you can see Karl really pushed him to attack more. Look at his numbers last year they jumped up to over a FT per game more after the trade a product of less 3's.

Don't get all defensive.

He shot one less 3pointer after the trade, but he also was shooting less in general. This year he is back up to over four 3s a game.

Edit: he's currently top 20 in attempts from 3pt land, without any assistance from D'antoni.

Rentzias
01-24-2012, 12:43 PM
Don't get all defensive.
That's what she said.

I see what the above poster is saying also, in terms of Gallo attacking the rim more, and that not necessarily being displayed in FTAPG. He doesn't necessarily get the calls, but the difference from immediately after the trade to this season is a bit more apparent, and GK preaches attacking the rim and getting foul shots.

I'm not saying that Gallo is better now than he was in NY, just that there has been a shift in his mentality (still makes that extra pass a bit too much) as compared to during the NY time and in DEN immediately after the trade.

Rockice_8
01-24-2012, 12:51 PM
He shot one less 3pointer after the trade, but he also was shooting less in general. This year he is back up to over four 3s a game.

Edit: he's currently top 20 in attempts from 3pt land, without any assistance from D'antoni.

And he's still taking less 3's then in NY.

It's not some drastic transformation here but this year he's shooting more and taking less 3's then with NY, while shooting a much higher %, why? Because he's attacking more and taking better shots instead of playing D'Antoni's style of take the first open shot you have.

DEN plays good team ball and Gallo is helped by it. Just cause the FT #'s don't clearly show it he's attacking the rim more.

It's more a credit to Karl (who I think is one of the best coaches around) then a slight to D'Antoni who with the right players can be successful in his own right.

nycericanguy
01-24-2012, 12:55 PM
That's what she said.

I see what the above poster is saying also, in terms of Gallo attacking the rim more, and that not necessarily being displayed in FTAPG. He doesn't necessarily get the calls, but the difference from immediately after the trade to this season is a bit more apparent, and GK preaches attacking the rim and getting foul shots.

I'm not saying that Gallo is better now than he was in NY, just that there has been a shift in his mentality (still makes that extra pass a bit too much) as compared to during the NY time and in DEN immediately after the trade.

I've watched about 80% of Gallo's game in his career, with DEN included.

He did not attack the rim very early in his career, I think partly because of his back surgery. But by year 3 he was healthy and attacking the rim at will in NY, he's doing the same in DEN. He will always shoot alot of 3's, and thats not a bad thing because he's a good 3 point shooter.

Nothing has changed except his jersey, but he will continue to get better, he's only 23. I do see he is starting to create for others more now.

PlezPlayDKnicks
01-24-2012, 01:09 PM
sO HILARIOUS with the Gallo love now. Ny fans have been saying it for years. If he was still on the knicks he would be overrated.

iam brett favre
01-24-2012, 01:23 PM
I think he'll be a better all around player than Melo eventually.

Rentzias
01-24-2012, 01:27 PM
He did not attack the rim very early in his career, I think partly because of his back surgery.
Ah, did not know this, makes sense now. Probably just gaining more confidence in that part of the game now as he is feeling more confident in terms of his body.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 01:31 PM
And he's still taking less 3's then in NY.

It's not some drastic transformation here but this year he's shooting more and taking less 3's then with NY, while shooting a much higher %, why? Because he's attacking more and taking better shots instead of playing D'Antoni's style of take the first open shot you have.

DEN plays good team ball and Gallo is helped by it. Just cause the FT #'s don't clearly show it he's attacking the rim more.

It's more a credit to Karl (who I think is one of the best coaches around) then a slight to D'Antoni who with the right players can be successful in his own right.

He may be shooting slightly less 3s but his 3pt% has actually dropped significantly - thus his offensive rating isn't quite as good. I don't know how scoring less points, on more shots equates to better shot selection.

In any case, its been 17 games. He is shooting one more shot, and (almost) one less 3ptr. Hardly enough to prove anything one way or another. As far as i'm concerned he's the same Gallo he's always been, and he will continue to improve at the rate he was in NY.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 01:32 PM
I think he'll be a better all around player than Melo eventually.

Imagine if a Knick fan had said this last year... Not that i don't think its true.

iam brett favre
01-24-2012, 01:34 PM
I reallllly think the Knicks will regret that trade in the long run, if they don't already. They were a better team without Melo + Amare.

ManningToTyree
01-24-2012, 01:41 PM
20 ppg and a few all-star teams. He is a talented shooter

colinskik
01-24-2012, 01:44 PM
He's a future all star IMO, not considering who might actually get the nod due to popularity.

And from what I've seen of him this year, his shot isn't falling as it should. Once it does, he'll be the best player on that DEN team for sure.

This shouldn't be a shock to anyone. He was an excellent player for the Knicks but got no love because of the blind hate out there (jealousy) for anything NY.

lakerboy
01-24-2012, 02:03 PM
All star potential. But we really won't know, in 2002 who knew Dirk Nowitzki would be MVP right

D-Leethal
01-24-2012, 02:35 PM
LOL, would love to pull some threads from last 2 years from the NBA forum on Gallo and see what the popular sentiment was when he was a Knick. He is the same player he was when we traded him, maybe marginally better but he is improving at the same rate.

I think his ceiling is 3rd option on championship team, 2nd option on very good team. He will be a 18-20 ppg, super efficient and versatile scorer, while playing solid D and TEAM basketball. I see him on the level of a prime Boris Diaw (in PHX) or Lamar Odom (more 3s, less bounds) impact wise. He reminds me of prime Detlef Shrempf who I believe made an all star game or 2

nycericanguy
01-24-2012, 02:54 PM
LOL, would love to pull some threads from last 2 years from the NBA forum on Gallo and see what the popular sentiment was when he was a Knick. He is the same player he was when we traded him, maybe marginally better but he is improving at the same rate.

I think his ceiling is 3rd option on championship team, 2nd option on very good team. He will be a 18-20 ppg, super efficient and versatile scorer, while playing solid D and TEAM basketball. I see him on the level of a prime Boris Diaw (in PHX) or Lamar Odom (more 3s, less bounds) impact wise. He reminds me of prime Detlef Shrempf who I believe made an all star game or 2

you dont have to go back 2 years, even last year people were saying NY wasn't getting Melo for their trash role players. yet after the trade all of a sudden DEN robbed NY...comical... but you gotta know that comes with being a Knick fan. Shumpert will be very good too, but you can't say that around these parts of town...lol.

2 years ago I was crucified for saying Gallo would be better than Beasely...can you imagine MIN with Gallo instead of Beasely? That would be an amazing core.

waveycrockett
01-24-2012, 04:14 PM
He is Peja 2.0

SluggeR
01-24-2012, 04:37 PM
Lets not get carried away people. Galli is a very GOOD player. Mike wanted him to be a 3point shooter, but the kid is just an all-around baller. He's not gonna lead a team to a championship, but he can be a very vital piece to a contender. His desire is greater than his athleticism and by no means am I saying he's not athletic. He had his chance last year to be the #2 behind STAT last year and night-in & night-out he just wasn't that guy. He reminds me of Odom (in his prime) in the sense to where if you have to depend on him every night to win games, you will be disappointed. If you want a GREAT #3 man, that will take over some nights..he's your man. Overall I like the kid and I wish he was still in New York.

omdigga
01-24-2012, 07:00 PM
toni kukoc... not the main man, but a major cog on a championship team..

THE MTL
01-24-2012, 07:16 PM
Either Peja or Hedo Turkologlu in prime. People forget that Hedo was 20ppg 5apg 5rpg.

northsider
01-24-2012, 07:23 PM
Never been in his house so I couldn't say.................

smith&wesson
01-24-2012, 07:38 PM
reshard lewis versian 2.0.

phoenix_bladen
01-24-2012, 07:38 PM
you dont have to go back 2 years, even last year people were saying NY wasn't getting Melo for their trash role players. yet after the trade all of a sudden DEN robbed NY...comical... but you gotta know that comes with being a Knick fan. Shumpert will be very good too, but you can't say that around these parts of town...lol.

2 years ago I was crucified for saying Gallo would be better than Beasely...can you imagine MIN with Gallo instead of Beasely? That would be an amazing core.

Minny didn't draft beasley they traded for him for 2 second rounders

you mean if miami got gallo ??? ... well then they wouldn't have chris bosh .......cause they needed cap space to sign him

not sure if gallo would be traded for just 2 second rounders though......

phoenix_bladen
01-24-2012, 07:39 PM
Either Peja or Hedo Turkologlu in prime. People forget that Hedo was 20ppg 5apg 5rpg.

yea for 1 fluke season ?

and his 2nd best season was like 17 ppg 5 and 5

well ok ... 2 fluke seasons

beasted86
01-24-2012, 07:52 PM
Mix between Peja and Toni Kukoc

UPRock
01-24-2012, 07:52 PM
He's playing good! I traded for him in 2k12 to the bobcats and he averaged 20 ppg in the season

waveycrockett
01-24-2012, 07:53 PM
Either Peja or Hedo Turkologlu in prime. People forget that Hedo was 20ppg 5apg 5rpg.

yea for 1 fluke season ?

and his 2nd best season was like 17 ppg 5 and 5

well ok ... 2 fluke seasons

There is no such thing as a fluke 82 games+playoffs. That makes no damn sense. The problem with Hedo is that he didn't get into a system that fit him until he was already in his 30's.

beasted86
01-24-2012, 07:56 PM
you dont have to go back 2 years, even last year people were saying NY wasn't getting Melo for their trash role players. yet after the trade all of a sudden DEN robbed NY...comical... but you gotta know that comes with being a Knick fan. Shumpert will be very good too, but you can't say that around these parts of town...lol.

2 years ago I was crucified for saying Gallo would be better than Beasely...can you imagine MIN with Gallo instead of Beasely? That would be an amazing core.

???

They are like similar impact players. You talk like Beasley is a bust and Gallinari is an all-star. :confused:

As a matter of fact, Beasley's past season is probably better than any of Gallinari's.

waveycrockett
01-24-2012, 07:59 PM
you dont have to go back 2 years, even last year people were saying NY wasn't getting Melo for their trash role players. yet after the trade all of a sudden DEN robbed NY...comical... but you gotta know that comes with being a Knick fan. Shumpert will be very good too, but you can't say that around these parts of town...lol.

2 years ago I was crucified for saying Gallo would be better than Beasely...can you imagine MIN with Gallo instead of Beasely? That would be an amazing core.

???

They are like similar impact players. You talk like Beasley is a bust and Gallinari is an all-star. :confused:

Beasley is a bust. He was the number 2 overall pick and one of the least efficient players in the NBA and does nothing on a bad team. You call that a success? Gallo should be an allstar this season.

nycericanguy
01-24-2012, 08:03 PM
Minny didn't draft beasley they traded for him for 2 second rounders

you mean if miami got gallo ??? ... well then they wouldn't have chris bosh .......cause they needed cap space to sign him

not sure if gallo would be traded for just 2 second rounders though......

Yes I'm aware that MIN didnt draft Beasely. I was simply making the comparison to show how much better Gallo is than Beasely now.

I did a comparison thread a couple of years ago saying Gallo was and would be better and I was killed.

nycericanguy
01-24-2012, 08:06 PM
???

They are like similar impact players. You talk like Beasley is a bust and Gallinari is an all-star. :confused:

As a matter of fact, Beasley's past season is probably better than any of Gallinari's.

Beasely IS a bust, and Gallo IS close to being an all star.

And sorry but Beasely last season was nowhere near the player Gallo was. Sure he scored 2 or 3 ppg more, but it took him nearly TWICE as many shots to do so.

And this season Gallo blows him away. They are heading in completely different directions in their career. Right now MIN wouldn't be able to get much if they traded MB.

the unknown
01-24-2012, 08:23 PM
gallo is nowhere near his prime .. his prime numbers 21-7-4-1.5-1

NYtilIdie
01-24-2012, 08:48 PM
I ***king hated Gallo as a Knick and I still hate him now.

WildcatsPride
01-24-2012, 09:05 PM
Gallo is awesome. I think he has the potential to be another Dirk.

JEDean89
01-24-2012, 09:23 PM
gallo is a postgame and a few pounds away from being an allstar. durant and gay are likely to be the SF's in the west but he is definitely 3rd behind those 2. he has stopped hiding behind the arc and gets to the line easily. he still needs better body control when attacking and needs to get a little tougher but when he does he can be a 20+ppg scorer. allthough he's on the nuggets which means that he likely won't. not because he can't but because there are so many scorers on the nuggs.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 09:35 PM
As a matter of fact, Beasley's past season is probably better than any of Gallinari's.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=beaslmi01&y1=2011&p2=gallida01&y2=2011

Care to explain how?

beasted86
01-24-2012, 09:51 PM
Beasely IS a bust, and Gallo IS close to being an all star.

And sorry but Beasely last season was nowhere near the player Gallo was. Sure he scored 2 or 3 ppg more, but it took him nearly TWICE as many shots to do so.

And this season Gallo blows him away. They are heading in completely different directions in their career. Right now MIN wouldn't be able to get much if they traded MB.
What does taking twice as many shots have to do with anything when he 1, scores more, 2, hits those shots at a higher percentage, 3, and a higher 3PT percentage, 4, rebounded the ball better... and mind you, 5, this is all in less minutes per game.

Next...Beasley is injured this season.

3rd, Beasley is a bust, yet has higher career scoring averages than Gallinari, on higher FG%, with more rebounds, in less minutes.

:yawn: this is boring, I'm not going to waste any more posts here... you win.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=beaslmi01&y1=2011&p2=gallida01&y2=2011

Care to explain how?

I seriously hope this is sarcasm... if not, you win too.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 11:04 PM
First of all, FG% is not ORtg coupled with USG%.

Second of all, weren't you the guy citing Marshon Brooks' PER in the rookies thread? Since Beez was leading Gallo in all those categories you listed, why are their PERs the same?

Third of all, should i go into depth on this, or do i actually "win"?

"this is boring, I'm not going to waste any more posts here... you win."

Sounds like someone's argument is full of wholes. Sounds like a slunk out.

beasted86
01-24-2012, 11:06 PM
First of all, FG% is not ORtg coupled with USG%.

Second of all, weren't you the guy citing Marshon Brooks' PER in the rookies thread? Since Beez was leading Gallo in all those categories you listed, why are their PERs the same?

Third of all, should i go into depth on this, or do i actually "win"?

"this is boring, I'm not going to waste any more posts here... you win."

Sounds like someone's argument is full of wholes. Sounds like a slunk out.

No, you actually do win.

Kashmir13579
01-24-2012, 11:12 PM
No, you actually do win.

:facepalm:

Thanks for bringing me down to that level. Ya know? Facepalms 'n ****.

Chronz
01-24-2012, 11:14 PM
you dont have to go back 2 years, even last year people were saying NY wasn't getting Melo for their trash role players. yet after the trade all of a sudden DEN robbed NY...comical... but you gotta know that comes with being a Knick fan. Shumpert will be very good too, but you can't say that around these parts of town...lol.

2 years ago I was crucified for saying Gallo would be better than Beasely...can you imagine MIN with Gallo instead of Beasely? That would be an amazing core.

Yea that was the thread I remember, I was with you

bmd1101
01-24-2012, 11:25 PM
Just wanted to put this out there especially to non-Nuggets fans (who might be more objective than us).

Truth be told, I wasn't completely sold on him after the trade last season. He had some real bright spots, but at the same time some pretty significant struggles with consistency.

He is pretty quickly changing my mind this season. I'm posting this on the heels of his career best game, which obviously isn't indicative of his average level of play. But in less than a month, he has had quite a few very impressive performances. He leads the Nuggets in PER (players with significant minutes) and ppg, and is 6th in the league in free throws.

His shot could still use some improvement (his TS% is significantly better than his eFG%), but I'm really liking what I've seen from him this season, and how his game seems to be on a steadily upward trajectory.

Anyhow, I don't think he'll be an All-Star starter anytime soon with Durant pretty much locking down the SF position for the forseeable future. But what do you think, how good (or not) will he be a couple years down the line?

He needs to put on some muscle for sure, and work on his handling. I think hes capable of being a AS backup, cusp of being an AS type of thing.