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Lakeshow24KB
01-13-2012, 04:27 PM
Kobe is obviously upset being ranked just 7th overall in the ESPN ranking. I think he's top three IMO but thats biased since I'm a Lakers fan. Where do you guys think he ranks?

carnage101
01-13-2012, 04:29 PM
#1

bucketss
01-13-2012, 04:30 PM
lebron,wade,dwight are clear better players IMO so anywhere from 4-7 IMO

GoatMilk
01-13-2012, 04:30 PM
well if it makes you feel better, if they were to update the list based on this season, kobe wouldnt be 7th

beliges
01-13-2012, 04:31 PM
lebron,wade,dwight are clear better players IMO so anywhere from 4-7 IMO

Not this season so far. Last season I agree with you, but this season, with healthier knees, Kobe is probably #2 behind LBJ. Hes been much better than Wade thus far.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-13-2012, 04:33 PM
top 5

bucketss
01-13-2012, 04:34 PM
yeah i was just basing it off not just this season

Raph12
01-13-2012, 04:35 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
.
3. Wade
.
4. Durant
5. CP3
6. Kobe
7. Dirk
8. Rose

Could be interchanged between 4-8 IMO... In ESPN's defence, Kobe didn't play this well last season and I doubt he keeps this up all year.

Bruno
01-13-2012, 04:35 PM
he's been top three, if not top two through the first 20% of the season, imo. 2nd in PER, tied for second in ws, top 10 in ws/48, leading the league in scoring, his team has second most wins in their given conference.

ManRam
01-13-2012, 04:35 PM
He clearly cares, but shouldn't. What does this list matter?

He doesn't "deserve" anything. It's a stupid ranking of players...completely trivial and meaningless.

He's not top 3 though. I predicted (kind of just to be different) that he'd be the MVP this year, but MVP doesn't equal best player. I have him anywhere from 4-6/7. But "deserve" is a silly word.

sep11ie
01-13-2012, 04:41 PM
Kobe should have his own number named after him.

Bruno
01-13-2012, 04:42 PM
SG's 2012:

Wade: 8 games. PER- 20.1, TS%: .495, WS- 0.8, WS/48- .129

Bryant: 12 games. PER- 27.2, TS%: .540, WS- 2.1, WS/48- .228

Harden: 12 games. PER- 23.5, TS%: .643, WS- 2.0, WS/48 .261

Ray Allen: 8 games. PER- 21.9, TS%: .748, WS- 1.2, WS/48- .212

GrapeSoda
01-13-2012, 04:44 PM
its been like 10 games and Wade has been hurt already as well, in my opinion he is anywhere from 4-10, he has been playing really well the past couple games though .. lets see him keep this pace up all season and maybe I would reconsider his positioning

baer35
01-13-2012, 04:49 PM
Stats dont matter as much with a player like Kobe dude competes every night at the highest level. plays through multiple legit injuries. Maybe 3 other players in the NBA right now that you can say the same about. On top of that he getting 30 6 and 6, pretty damn good

lakersiznumber1
01-13-2012, 04:50 PM
kobe is still number 1 until lebron or durant takes his crown. jus like when jordan took it from magic. Dwight and paul rankin is 2 high i dont thing dwight is as good as everybody says he is he will never be as good as shaq was.
1 kobe
2 lebron
3 wade
4 durant
5 rose
6 paul
7 howard

Celticsfan2007
01-13-2012, 04:51 PM
Kobe doesn't deserve a pile of ****

GrapeSoda
01-13-2012, 04:52 PM
kobe is still number 1 until lebron or durant takes his crown. jus like when jordan took it from magic. Dwight and paul rankin is 2 high i dont thing dwight is as good as everybody says he is he will never be as good as shaq was.
1 kobe
2 lebron
3 wade
4 durant
5 rose
6 paul
7 howard

did you happen to watch the Magic Warriors game last night?

ManRam
01-13-2012, 04:54 PM
kobe is still number 1 until lebron or durant takes his crown. jus like when jordan took it from magic. Dwight and paul rankin is 2 high i dont thing dwight is as good as everybody says he is he will never be as good as shaq was.
1 kobe
2 lebron
3 wade
4 durant
5 rose
6 paul
7 howard

Define taking his crown? I think it got snatched a few years ago...

lakersiznumber1
01-13-2012, 04:57 PM
did you happen to watch the Magic Warriors game last night?

wat when he was sent 2 the line a record of 39 times is that the game u talkin bout

baer35
01-13-2012, 04:59 PM
I think Chris Paul will be top 3 by the end of the season too much talent on the clippers for him not to be. He's due for a huge year, and he has a chip on his shoulder from the nixed trade.
However Lakers still own LA

da ThRONe
01-13-2012, 05:01 PM
People are overracting to a hot start. While I never took Kobe out of my top 5 his latest performance isn't enough for him to make my top three.

GrapeSoda
01-13-2012, 05:03 PM
wat when he was sent 2 the line a record of 39 times is that the game u talkin bout

yup the game where he had 40+ points 20+ rebounds .. 1st person to do that since Shaq in 03 ..

Raph12
01-13-2012, 05:07 PM
kobe is still number 1 until lebron or durant takes his crown. jus like when jordan took it from magic. Dwight and paul rankin is 2 high i dont thing dwight is as good as everybody says he is he will never be as good as shaq was.
1 kobe
2 lebron
3 wade
4 durant
5 rose
6 paul
7 howard

I was going to respond to this, and then I looked at your list (Kobe in 1st, Rose about Paul, Dwight at 7th)... Naw too easy.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-13-2012, 05:08 PM
Define taking his crown? I think it got snatched a few years ago...

And then quickly given back on the evening of July 8th, 2010.

babyang04
01-13-2012, 05:08 PM
Kobe will be #1 till hes 40 !

lakersiznumber1
01-13-2012, 05:09 PM
yup the game where he had 40+ points 20+ rebounds .. 1st person to do that since Shaq in 03 ..

03 shaq lol 03 shaq would of killed him howard jus doin that cause there no competion in the nba im not sayin howard is garbage im jus sayin hes not better then anyone on my list.

DoubleDragon
01-13-2012, 05:12 PM
anywhere from 1-4 interchangeable with LBJ, Durant, Howard and Rose.
All "deserving" of the top 5.
But I'm sure he'll take winning over rankings any day (like the rest I'm sure).
Good conversation fodder though.

IMO

Raps18-19 Champ
01-13-2012, 05:13 PM
It's a bunch of people's opinions. Why does he care in the first place?

He knows he's better than 7th and so do other people.

Bruno
01-13-2012, 05:17 PM
People are overracting to a hot start. While I never took Kobe out of my top 5 his latest performance isn't enough for him to make my top three.

...anymore of an over reaction than when people took him out of their top five over an average 10 game playoff run?

your opinion is fair, i'm just playing devils advocate. :smoking:

Raph12
01-13-2012, 05:24 PM
03 shaq lol 03 shaq would of killed him howard jus doin that cause there no competion in the nba im not sayin howard is garbage im jus sayin hes not better then anyone on my list.

Shaq would've killed Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, etc as well... Shaq was a physical specimen, 330-350lbs with a 32" vert is hard to stop, especially with the rules in the 90s.

You can't compare players from different eras, you compare them to the players in their era, ergo Dwight is a Top 3 player at worst.

GREATNESS ONE
01-13-2012, 05:24 PM
he's been top three, if not top two through the first 20% of the season, imo. 2nd in PER, tied for second in ws, top 10 in ws/48, leading the league in scoring, his team has second most wins in their given conference.

I'm gonna second this and add how much I like your Sig !!!!!:D

HairOiN
01-13-2012, 05:25 PM
its been like 10 games and Wade has been hurt already as well, in my opinion he is anywhere from 4-10, he has been playing really well the past couple games though .. lets see him keep this pace up all season and maybe I would reconsider his positioning

Kobe has been hurt all year

Evolution23
01-13-2012, 05:27 PM
Top 3

Bruno
01-13-2012, 05:32 PM
I'm gonna second this and add how much I like your Sig !!!!!:D
i love being neutral in sig and avatar, but it was too good, :laugh2: i saw it on reddit. i'll go back to the lebowski sig in a few weeks, after i put up an anti-SOPA sig in a few days.

GREATNESS ONE
01-13-2012, 05:34 PM
i love being neutral in sig and avatar, but it was too good, :laugh2: i saw it on reddit. i'll go back to the lebowski sig in a few weeks, after i put up an anti-SOPA sig in a few days.

:D idk man I think that you nailed it with that sig !! I do like the lebowski one but this one is Perfecto !!!!

CityofTreez
01-13-2012, 05:38 PM
Kobe. You lost to Paul Westphal and the Sacramento Kings this year. Accept #7.

Get Over It!

shep33
01-13-2012, 05:38 PM
He's a top 3-4 player I think. We looked specifically at last year when he was worn out, and constantly injured. Nobody played more games, and more meaningful games than Kobe Bryant over the past 4-5 years.

He's putting up 30, 6, and 6... that's pretty darn impressive, and if you took him off the Lakers this year, they would be atrocious.

Since that bad performance against the Nuggets, he has been on another level.

shep33
01-13-2012, 05:39 PM
Kobe. You lost to Paul Westphal and the Sacramento Kings this year. Accept #7.

Get Over It!

Haha, the Heat lost to the 3-7 Warriors... LBJ and Wade deserve to be below Cousins and Evans. :laugh:

Good stuff man... but really, nobody is ahead of Cousins and Evan anyways

Bruno
01-13-2012, 05:40 PM
:D idk man I think that you nailed it with that sig !! I do like the lebowski one but this one is Perfecto !!!!

haha, we'll see. it was tough to retire the phil sig. but kobes play has merited this sig, lol. i really wana put up the anti SOPA one before the congress votes on it. PSD should be actively against SOPA imo.


Kobe. You lost to Paul Westphal and the Sacramento Kings this year. Accept #7.

Get Over It!

:laugh2:

Tony_Starks
01-13-2012, 06:16 PM
A semi-healthy Kobe has been the best player in the league this season. Semi-healthy, mind you...........

mychisports
01-13-2012, 06:45 PM
For the few of you claiming that Chris Paul is ahead of DRose, come on now. It really isn't even up for discussion anymore. If you ahve watched a Bulls game this year, and know anything about basketball, you definitely noticed the DRose is playing ALL-NBA caliber Defense. Whenever he goes up against one of the top PGs in the league, he shows that the rest of them are really battling for #2. The top 5 have to be Rose, Kobe, Howard, KD and Lebron, not in that order. Trying to say who's number 1 is impossible, you could make an argument for or against any one of those 5. I will say, though, that I can never put Lebron or Dwight at #1 considering neither of them can even take the last shot for their teams. I know DWade has been hurt, but he also just doesn't hang with those 5 anymore. He's in the next 5 with Dirk and Paul and a couple others.

Supa
01-13-2012, 06:57 PM
Does it really matter? It's just ESPN ranking.

If it motivates him, I'd say let ESPN leave him at #7.

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LanceUpperCut
01-13-2012, 07:17 PM
It's Lebron first by a lot then second would be Dwight because of the competition at C for him is so bad then third Kobe or Durant. I don't believe Wade is a secure number 3 like most he would be 5 after the four mentioned.

NBAfan4life
01-13-2012, 07:22 PM
haha, we'll see. it was tough to retire the phil sig. but kobes play has merited this sig, lol. i really wana put up the anti SOPA one before the congress votes on it. PSD should be actively against SOPA imo.



:laugh2:

This!!

I'm a big Laker fan and Kobe fan and even I'm surpised how well he has been playing. I hope he can maintain almost this high of a level for the remainder of the season.

naps
01-13-2012, 07:23 PM
#7 is a good spot for Kobe. He's ranked exactly where he belongs in my eyes.

Odominator
01-13-2012, 07:31 PM
Honestly,

a prime Shaq will destroy D.Howard. Howards career night comes against Biedrins and Lee? Shaq puts up those numbers regularly against Ewing, Olajuwon, Mutumbo, Robinson, etc...

You know, during an era where dominant centers ruled the league....

Odominator
01-13-2012, 07:31 PM
But Kobe is fine at number 7... however, I would rank Kobe above D.Howard at the moment.

SeoulBeatz
01-13-2012, 07:40 PM
Always respected Kobe, and IMO he is playing like the #1 player in the NBA this year.

His game is just awesome to watch because he can still score at will.

He's lost a step, but he just has so many ways to score, it's still impossible to guard him.

blastmasta26
01-13-2012, 08:27 PM
Honestly,

a prime Shaq will destroy D.Howard. Howards career night comes against Biedrins and Lee? Shaq puts up those numbers regularly against Ewing, Olajuwon, Mutumbo, Robinson, etc...

You know, during an era where dominant centers ruled the league....
And that matters why? The fact of the matter is, no one has had a game like Howard just did in 8 years. We're discussing the present, not the past. Of course prime Shaq is better than prime Dwight but that's really irrelevant.

theheatles
01-13-2012, 08:44 PM
1. lebron
2. dwight
3. wade
4. kobe
5. dirk
6. kd

it's no disrespect to kobe, yeah mj was still the best in the league at his age but he didn't make the jump from high school and he had his hiatus

Teeboy1487
01-13-2012, 08:57 PM
Kobe imo is still a top 3 player in this league even at 33 with a torn ligament in his wrist. I only put Dwight and Lebron ahead of him.

alexander_37
01-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Kobe is shooting .459 and .196 from 3 Lebron is shooting .570 scoring 1.3 less pppg on 6 less shots. Not to mentions pulls down 3 more boards and averages 2 more assists per game. Lebron and it is not close.

Lebron
Dwight
KD
Chris Paul and maybe Blake Griffin
then a toss up between Wade or Kobe prob dunno they are both shooting miserably but no other players really match them in skill.

LakersKB24
01-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Kobe is shooting .459 and .196 from 3 Lebron is shooting .570 scoring 1.3 less pppg on 6 less shots. Not to mentions pulls down 3 more boards and averages 2 more assists per game. Lebron and it is not close.

Lebron
Dwight
KD
Chris Paul and maybe Blake Griffin
then a toss up between Wade or Kobe prob dunno they are both shooting miserably but no other players really match them in skill.

How is Blake Griffin ahead of Kobe, Wade, Rose, Dirk, Melo etc??? No way he's Top10 yet.

And stop comparing Kobe's and Lebron's rebound and assist numbers. They have different playing styles. By that logic, Kevin Love is a better player than LeBron, because he has more rebounds.

I don't argue with LeBron being #1, I just don't like the reasoning.

C-Style
01-13-2012, 09:30 PM
#7 is a good spot for Kobe. He's ranked exactly where he belongs in my eyes.

Of course he does, :rolleyes: wouldn't expect a different answer from you.

Lakeshow24KB
01-13-2012, 09:45 PM
He clearly cares, but shouldn't. What does this list matter?

He doesn't "deserve" anything. It's a stupid ranking of players...completely trivial and meaningless.

He's not top 3 though. I predicted (kind of just to be different) that he'd be the MVP this year, but MVP doesn't equal best player. I have him anywhere from 4-6/7. But "deserve" is a silly word.

Hmmm how about should Kobe be labeled as 7th? Lol idk

Tony_Starks
01-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Hopefully people keep sleeping on Kobe so he can continue dropping 40's and winning games......

Bruno
01-13-2012, 10:22 PM
Kobe is shooting .459 and .196 from 3 Lebron is shooting .570 scoring 1.3 less pppg on 6 less shots. Not to mentions pulls down 3 more boards and averages 2 more assists per game. Lebron and it is not close.

Lebron
Dwight
KD
Chris Paul and maybe Blake Griffin
then a toss up between Wade or Kobe prob dunno they are both shooting miserably but no other players really match them in skill.

bryants numbers are just as good as KD's, and he still plays better defense. wade has been underwhelming. Blake isn't in the top 5 discussion yet, imo. top 10 was a stretch as it is.

Avenged
01-13-2012, 10:48 PM
#7 LAST season seems about right.

This season thus far he's playing like a top 3 player. We'll see if he can keep it up.

Ty Fast
01-13-2012, 11:21 PM
top 2 for sure.

Vincent33
01-13-2012, 11:44 PM
Whatever. Just some east coast biased company's opinion anyways. I don't think Kobe is in the top 3 this season (Durant, James, Rose in some order). Kobe is going to go down as one of the best to ever play and there's no arguing that he is top 10 all time and by the time he retires, maybe even top 5.

kmoneyjuice
01-13-2012, 11:53 PM
# 10

JollyRanch
01-14-2012, 12:02 AM
top 3 easy

CousinsEvansDUO
01-14-2012, 12:51 AM
What I don't understand is what is so special about making the ball go in the rim. That is the only thing that kobe does. He puts up 50 shots a game and 15 of them go in. What the hell is so special or great about that. Tyreke is only putting up about 15shots per game yet getting almost 25-30ppg, if and when he matures and earns the right to shoot as much as he can, tyreke will be having 40-50point games every other game too.

alexander_37
01-14-2012, 01:18 AM
bryants numbers are just as good as KD's, and he still plays better defense. wade has been underwhelming. Blake isn't in the top 5 discussion yet, imo. top 10 was a stretch as it is.

Are you on crack, Durant is literally doubling Kobe's 3 point % and is almost shooting 50% from the field to Kobes 46%. KD is just a more efficient player at this point. Less fouls less turnovers more steals more blocks. Sorry Kobe scores a lot but also misses a lot.

Amare1
01-14-2012, 01:20 AM
How do people still put Wade ahead of Kobe?

I have Lebron #1 and Kobe #2

CityofTreez
01-14-2012, 01:22 AM
What I don't understand is what is so special about making the ball go in the rim. That is the only thing that kobe does.

And that's why he beats us. Shut up!

KingPosey
01-14-2012, 01:33 AM
I still think KB is one of the top couple talents in the league, but even if you dont like him, 7 is too low, especially with the way he looks right now with healthy legs.

KnickNyKnick
01-14-2012, 02:06 AM
kobe is #1 right now so far. hes come back with a vengeance, i see the lakers taking the west if he stays on this road this season

MTar786
01-14-2012, 02:10 AM
EASILY number 1 in my eyes now. a mad kobe = the BEST in the league easily.

JNA17
01-14-2012, 02:15 AM
At the moment, he's #1 in the league. I mean for christ sake the Lakers have a better record then the Heat now. :laugh: Who the **** expected that?

kArSoN RyDaH
01-14-2012, 02:30 AM
I don't even care anymore. Kobe is going to do Kobe. And if that's win another championship and lead the league in scoring in his 16th year? So be it.


Hell, put KObe at 11 please for Christ's sake! I want to see him score 60+!!!! Lol

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 02:31 AM
What I don't understand is what is so special about making the ball go in the rim. That is the only thing that kobe does. He puts up 50 shots a game and 15 of them go in. What the hell is so special or great about that. Tyreke is only putting up about 15shots per game yet getting almost 25-30ppg, if and when he matures and earns the right to shoot as much as he can, tyreke will be having 40-50point games every other game too.

troll post

tyreke puts up 18 (yeah almost 25-30ppg lmfao:laugh:) points from 15 shots, thats awful dude

JNA17
01-14-2012, 02:32 AM
What I don't understand

What I don't understand is how your still alive after your comment about Cousins over Howard :laugh:

kobebabe
01-14-2012, 02:34 AM
To say that Kobe is # 7 (am assuming they are referring to this season alone) is to be utterly ignorant and Iam not just saying that as a Laker fan!
Lets he how the pple ranked ahead look at his age!

Jewelz0376
01-14-2012, 02:35 AM
Are you on crack, Durant is literally doubling Kobe's 3 point % and is almost shooting 50% from the field to Kobes 46%. KD is just a more efficient player at this point. Less fouls less turnovers more steals more blocks. Sorry Kobe scores a lot but also misses a lot.

How is shooting 46% "missing a lot"...Look at the top 20 scores in the league...

Lebron and Durant are the only non bigs with a better shooting % than Kobe right now...

beliges
01-14-2012, 05:20 AM
Are you on crack, Durant is literally doubling Kobe's 3 point % and is almost shooting 50% from the field to Kobes 46%. KD is just a more efficient player at this point. Less fouls less turnovers more steals more blocks. Sorry Kobe scores a lot but also misses a lot.

Durant is getting 25.7PPG, 3.6APG and 7.2 RPG.

Kobe is getting 31.2PPG, 5.5APG and 5.8 RPG.

Kobe's putting up a better season so far.

SportsAndrew25
01-14-2012, 05:47 AM
When you drop 40 or more points in three consecutive games, you are a BO$$!

C-Style
01-14-2012, 06:24 AM
Kobe in his last 7 games is averaging 37.4ppg 5.7rpg 5.0apg on 50%

Greedy22
01-14-2012, 07:00 AM
Kobe is 1A, Lebron is 1B

C-Style
01-14-2012, 07:27 AM
Revisiting ESPN's top 10

1. Lebron - 30/7/8 - per 33.72 - fg 57%

2. Dwight - 21/3/15 - per 26.02 - fg 58%

3. Wade - 20/5/4 - per 19.94 - fg 43%

4. Paul - 16/9/3 - per 22.79 - fg 51%

5. Dirk- 18/3/6 - per 21.15 - fg 47%

6. Durant- 26/4/7 - per 26.34 - fg 49%

7. Kobe - 31/6/6 - per 27.38 - fg 46%

8. Rose - 21/9/3 - per 23.40 - fg 44%

9. D-will - 19/9/3 - per 18.59 - fg 38%

10. Griffin - 23/2/11 - per 23.46 - fg 53%

quade36
01-14-2012, 07:37 AM
Honestly,

a prime Shaq will destroy D.Howard. Howards career night comes against Biedrins and Lee? Shaq puts up those numbers regularly against Ewing, Olajuwon, Mutumbo, Robinson, etc...

You know, during an era where dominant centers ruled the league....

Funny, all I heard 10 years ago was how bad Shaq was and he is stopping Kobe from being the GOAT. A lot of Laker fans even said he was overrated and were completely for the trade that sent him out of LA.

Now he is one of the greatest? (Which I always thought he was but to hear fans change their minds in less than 10 years is just weird.)

alexander_37
01-14-2012, 11:56 AM
Durant is getting 25.7PPG, 3.6APG and 7.2 RPG.

Kobe is getting 31.2PPG, 5.5APG and 5.8 RPG.

Kobe's putting up a better season so far.

Oh wow way to put up some advanced ****ing stats. What about turnovers, fouls, blocks, steals, and shooting percentages?

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-14-2012, 12:46 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2012&p2=duranke01&y2=2012

There you go... Like he said, Kobe has played better than Durant.

Gram
01-14-2012, 12:59 PM
Yes. He's only behind Tyreke, Cousins, Marcus Thornton, Shumpert, Norris Cole, and Keith Smart.

beliges
01-14-2012, 01:47 PM
Oh wow way to put up some advanced ****ing stats. What about turnovers, fouls, blocks, steals, and shooting percentages?

Kobe's averaging more TOs per game. Obviously less blocks per game as Durant is a Forward and is 6-10, fewer steals per game i believe, about 4% lower in FG% but has his team among the 5 best defensive teams in the league this year.

So far, Kobe is having a better season with a lesser talented team.

THE MTL
01-14-2012, 01:50 PM
Kobe is the second best player in the league and clearly has shown it. The guy is unbelieveable. His numbers are gaudy but he's winning. I just wish he wasnt such a ball hog.

nickdymez
01-14-2012, 02:01 PM
Kobe is 1A, Lebron is 1B

This is about right

KnicksR4Real
01-14-2012, 02:10 PM
Last year he was bad, and 7 is a fair spot. But this year he moves back into the top 3

RLundi
01-14-2012, 02:12 PM
Kobe is playing at a torrid level, but does anyone really expect him to keep up this pace the entire season?

When it's all said and done, I think the rankings will prove accurate, more or less. LeBron, Durant, Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose will all be ahead of him.

king2218
01-14-2012, 02:15 PM
I think Kobe should be Top 3 with Lebron & Durant....i'm a Magic fan but don't think Howard is the 2nd best overall player...he's the best defensive player but as far as offense is considered, he has ways to go.

RLundi
01-14-2012, 02:17 PM
I think Kobe should be Top 3 with Lebron & Durant....i'm a Magic fan but don't think Howard is the 2nd best overall player...he's the best defensive player but as far as offense is considered, he has ways to go.

Then as a Magic fan you should know his impact on the game is unmatched outside of LeBron James.

king2218
01-14-2012, 02:49 PM
Then as a Magic fan you should know his impact on the game is unmatched outside of LeBron James.

Not really...the Magic have proven they can win without him...Howard's & the Magic's defense is not where it was last season or the seasons' before...Don't get me wrong, Dwight has a huge impact BUT not as much as Kobe does for the lakers...Looking at the entire picture...offense/defense/emotional leader...Howard is not there yet. The Magic are winning games with Howard being single covered MOST of the game.

Andrew32
01-14-2012, 02:51 PM
Lebron, Wade and Dwight are clearly better.

Durant, Dirk and CP3 can be argued against.

So he is 4-7.

Lakeshow24KB
01-14-2012, 03:00 PM
Lebron, Wade and Dwight are clearly better.

Durant, Dirk and CP3 can be argued against.

So he is 4-7.

IMO Kobe>Wade. And if wade is considered better its not by a long run

Bruno
01-14-2012, 03:02 PM
Lebron, Wade and Dwight are clearly better.
Not this season.

Wade: 9 games. PER- 19.9, TS%: .490, WS- 0.8, WS/48- .119

Bryant: 13 games. PER- 27.3, TS%: .545, WS- 2.3, WS/48- .225

Bryant will finish with better numbers than wade this season. with nearly 20% of the season already gone bryants lead on him across the board will be too much to make up for. it's not even close thus far. wade is aging (30 in three days) and is yet to adapt his physical game. harden and ray allen have also been better than wade this season.


Durant, Dirk and CP3 can be argued against.

So he is 4-7.

have you seen Pauls and Dirks numbers?


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2012&p2=duranke01&y2=2012

There you go... Like he said, Kobe has played better than Durant.

it's close on Durant, and his team has won. but durant hasnt outplayed bryant thus far.

Bryant is 2nd in PER and 2nd in win-shares. the lakers have the third most wins in the NBA, despite bynum missing the first four games. they also have the longest winstreak in the league currently.

Federal Reserve
01-14-2012, 03:03 PM
Kobe scores 40 points against three bad teams and he is suddenly a top three player in the NBA. Let's see him score 40 against a good team and then we might have a discussion.

Bruno
01-14-2012, 03:07 PM
Kobe scores 40 points against three bad teams and he is suddenly a top three player in the NBA. Let's see him score 40 against a good team and then we might have a discussion.

Phoenix was the 17th ranked defense before playing the Lakers.
Utah is the 14th ranked defense in the league.
Cleveland is the 13rd ranked defense in the league.

good? no. bad? no. middle of the pack.

Federal Reserve
01-14-2012, 03:09 PM
Phoenix was the 17th ranked defense before playing the Lakers.
Utah is the 14th ranked defense in the league.
Cleveland is the 13rd ranked defense in the league.

good? no. bad? no. middle of the pack.

The fact that I have no idea who plays starting shooting guard on any of those teams should tell you something about the defense Kobe dealt with.

Bruno
01-14-2012, 03:11 PM
The fact that I have no idea who plays starting shooting guard on any of those teams should tell you something about the defense Kobe dealt with.

no, the fact that all of those teams were ranked between 13rd and 17th before playing the lakers tells you something about the defense kobe dealt with. average. not good, not bad.

never heard of raja bell?

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-14-2012, 03:11 PM
Kobe scores 40 points against three bad teams and he is suddenly a top three player in the NBA. Let's see him score 40 against a good team and then we might have a discussion.

Haha, are you seriously questioning whether Kobe Bean Bryant can drop 40 on a good team?

Okay, well then, just stay tune on MLK night! ;)

Federal Reserve
01-14-2012, 03:15 PM
no, the fact that all of those teams were ranked between 13rd and 17th before playing the lakers tells you something about the defense kobe dealt with. average. not good, not bad.

never heard of raja bell?

The Suns are so bad that they have been blown out at least three times this season. Defensive ranking means nothing if the other team sits their starters for the last quarter in blowouts. Other teams like the Jazz have had a joke of a schedule. Anyway you look at it, those three teams are terrible. And I am pretty sure Raja Bell doesn't even start for the Jazz. Wake me up when Kobe puts up 40+ against a good team.

nickdymez
01-14-2012, 03:23 PM
Kobe is playing at a torrid level, but does anyone really expect him to keep up this pace the entire season?

When it's all said and done, I think the rankings will prove accurate, more or less. LeBron, Durant, Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose will all be ahead of him.

You sound like you dont like Kobe. Why dont you expect him to keep up a similar pace the entire season? You think teams will "Figure him out"? You think he's to old? Well he's proving doubters wrong every year.

Vidball
01-14-2012, 03:27 PM
Kobe scores 40 points against three bad teams and he is suddenly a top three player in the NBA. Let's see him score 40 against a good team and then we might have a discussion.

He was top 3 well before that. These past few games just underscore it even more. IMO Dwight, LeBron, & Kobe are the best players in the league.

Bruno
01-14-2012, 03:29 PM
The Suns are so bad that they have been blown out at least three times this season.

they've also blown teams out, including Portland. they've won by a lot, and lost by a lot. typical of a team that is middle of the pack.



Defensive ranking means nothing if the other team sits their starters for the last quarter in blowouts. Yes it does. you don't get to write off a season long defensive rating because of a few 10+ point losses.


Other teams like the Jazz have had a joke of a schedule. Anyway you look at it, those three teams are terrible. And I am pretty sure Raja Bell doesn't even start for the Jazz. Wake me up when Kobe puts up 40+ against a good team.

Utah has played the lakers twice, theyve played the 76ers, the Spurs, nuggets and grizzlies. theyve also played cleveland, who would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today. that's a joke of a schedule?

raja bell has started as SG for the jazz every game this season.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 03:37 PM
Phoenix was the 17th ranked defense before playing the Lakers.
Utah is the 14th ranked defense in the league.
Cleveland is the 13rd ranked defense in the league.

good? no. bad? no. middle of the pack.

they were 9th, it was on nba.com, I'm pretty sure

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 03:39 PM
The Suns are so bad that they have been blown out at least three times this season. Defensive ranking means nothing if the other team sits their starters for the last quarter in blowouts. Other teams like the Jazz have had a joke of a schedule. Anyway you look at it, those three teams are terrible. And I am pretty sure Raja Bell doesn't even start for the Jazz. Wake me up when Kobe puts up 40+ against a good team.

dont feed the troll, federal reserve just returned from village of the banned.

Gonna go back there soon brotha:clap:

Federal Reserve
01-14-2012, 03:40 PM
The Suns, Jazz and Cavs will not make the playoffs, therefore they are all bad teams.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 03:42 PM
The Suns, Jazz and Cavs will not make the playoffs, therefore they are all bad teams.

might as well say to us if the world will end in 21 december 2012 Mr.Nostradamus.

ModernDaySavage
01-14-2012, 03:45 PM
kobe is still number 1 until lebron or durant takes his crown. jus like when jordan took it from magic. Dwight and paul rankin is 2 high i dont thing dwight is as good as everybody says he is he will never be as good as shaq was.
1 kobe
2 lebron
3 wade
4 durant
5 rose
6 paul
7 howard

Honestly people like you are what fanbases hate because you represent them with ignorance and that's usually what sticks in peoples' heads. Kobe at one, Dwight at seven, and D rose above CP3 and Howard is just plain ignorance and you will get bashed for it, but somehow try to defend Kobe at one because of ringszzsz.

Bruno
01-14-2012, 03:53 PM
The Suns, Jazz and Cavs will not make the playoffs, therefore they are all bad teams.

Utah and Cleveland are both top eight in their conference, and would make the playoffs if playoffs started today.

nbas not black and white like that. there is a middle ground with average teams, and you'd recognize that if it didn't conflict with your argument.

YoungOne
01-14-2012, 03:55 PM
there are many players out there, who could score 31 on 25 shots...

Federal Reserve
01-14-2012, 03:56 PM
Utah and Cleveland are both top eight in their conference, and would make the playoffs if playoffs started today.

nbas not black and white like that. there is a middle ground with average teams, and you'd recognize that if it didn't conflict with your argument.

The Cavs and Jazz would have made the playoffs last year if the season ended after 10-14 games. That means nothing. The teams still suck and will go nowhere this year.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 04:00 PM
there are many players out there, who could score 31 on 25 shots...

so, your point?

Monta is beast
01-14-2012, 04:00 PM
Kobe is chuckin this season. When he does that the Lakers are a worse team. I think he's putting himself in front of the team right now, which aint koo.

YoungOne
01-14-2012, 04:03 PM
so, your point?

he is not no. 3

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 04:09 PM
he is not no. 3

but what were u talking about 31 points from 25 shots?

nickdymez
01-14-2012, 04:11 PM
Kobe is chuckin this season. When he does that the Lakers are a worse team. I think he's putting himself in front of the team right now, which aint koo.

Are they losing?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 04:12 PM
Kobe is chuckin this season. When he does that the Lakers are a worse team. I think he's putting himself in front of the team right now, which aint koo.

In 9 wins kobe averages 34ppg, in 4 losses 26ppg

of course we are worse when kobe scores a lot:rolleyes:

YoungOne
01-14-2012, 04:27 PM
In 9 wins kobe averages 34ppg, in 4 losses 26ppg

of course we are worse when kobe scores a lot:rolleyes:

get the shotattempts for the games or this stats mean nothing

YoungOne
01-14-2012, 04:28 PM
but what were u talking about 31 points from 25 shots?

kobe scoring 31 ppg on 25 shots pg
and there are several players who could do this aswell or would be even better so his scoring is not a good indication for him being a top 3 player

DaBear
01-14-2012, 04:35 PM
Rose > CP3

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 04:36 PM
kobe scoring 31 ppg on 25 shots pg
and there are several players who could do this aswell or would be even better so his scoring is not a good indication for him being a top 3 player

1.26 points per shot, kobe's career numbers are 1.3.

Jordan's career numbers are 1.3 as well, was michael a chucker too?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 04:39 PM
kobe scoring 31 ppg on 25 shots pg
and there are several players who could do this aswell or would be even better so his scoring is not a good indication for him being a top 3 player

2nd in per and .230 WS/48 is elite of the elites

lakersiznumber1
01-14-2012, 04:40 PM
Honestly people like you are what fanbases hate because you represent them with ignorance and that's usually what sticks in peoples' heads. Kobe at one, Dwight at seven, and D rose above CP3 and Howard is just plain ignorance and you will get bashed for it, but somehow try to defend Kobe at one because of ringszzsz.

actually dwight is my second fav player behind kobe in the nba so you talk 2 much .I dont like lebron or wade but still have them in the top 3. Thats the truth so face it or dont come in the forum talkin ****. Everybody has there opinion who are you 2 tell anybody there wrong wat you god now lol. every player in the nba when ask whose the best they say kobe and lebron second go youtube it and chk out all interviews startin from the ones this summer and so on. You talk 2 much everybody in here have rose at top 4 are u right 2 tell them they are wrong who are u. Rose kills cp3 everytime they meet so i dont disagree with them its opinions it dont mean s--- . Kobe and d rose are great stop hating

Lim
01-14-2012, 04:40 PM
1. lebron
2. dwight
3. wade
4. kobe
5. durant

Hawkeye15
01-14-2012, 04:42 PM
Kobe has started off very well this season, better than most expected. The only time him shooting becomes a problem is in his slumps, because he refuses to not shoot. But he has played great so far, and I am especially impressed with his defense again this year. He was not the defender he used to be the last 2 seasons, but looks great this year, so far.

The rankings were done after last year. If they were re-done at the moment, he would land in the top 3. Its a long season, no need for so much overreaction to everything.

NFLNBA
01-14-2012, 04:55 PM
its been like 10 games and Wade has been hurt already as well, in my opinion he is anywhere from 4-10, he has been playing really well the past couple games though .. lets see him keep this pace up all season and maybe I would reconsider his positioning

LMAO Kobe has a torn legiment in his shooting hand wrist, Kobe plays through it all that seperates him from others! You have to cut off his arms and legs to miss games or get a white girl to accuse him of rape but he still shows up 10 min late via helicopter lmao

Kobe really defies all odds the man is 16 yrs in this league with everything you could possible want in a career! 5 Rings, MVP, Finals MVP's, all team everything many times, 14 all star games, all star MVPs, scoring title, USA Gold lol and at 33 yrs old he is leading the league in scoring as of yesterday. 3 straight 40 pt games! How he is not #1 is silly and pathetic! No one has taken that title from him! Yeah there are younger more athletic players but Kobe not only has the skill still but his all around game, his knowledge and drive to kill you and allready mentioned he plays through it all.

Hate the man or love the man but we all can def respect this man!

NFLNBA
01-14-2012, 04:58 PM
1. lebron
2. dwight
3. wade
4. kobe
5. durant

Dude who the hell is that girl with the phat ***? That azz is redonculous!

BigBongTheory
01-14-2012, 05:12 PM
alot of biased people on here, heat fans will say wade is the g.o.a.t and orlando fans says dwight made this universe. So as a laker fan, Kobe is god. Sorry people. :)

Chronz
01-14-2012, 05:17 PM
1.26 points per shot, kobe's career numbers are 1.3.

Jordan's career numbers are 1.3 as well, was michael a chucker too?

Check offensive efficiency

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 05:27 PM
Check offensive efficiency

Could you explain?

LA_Raiders
01-14-2012, 05:28 PM
1-Kobe
2-Dwight
3-LeBroom
4-Durant
5-CP3
6-Rose
7-Wade (Injuries, but without he is #3)

lakerfan4life!!
01-14-2012, 07:01 PM
kobes like top 3

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-14-2012, 07:03 PM
kobes like top 3

#kobesystem

see where I'm going with this moderators?

BklynKnicks3
01-14-2012, 07:05 PM
lol people know nonthing about basketball melo not in top 7 according to most here

GiantsSwaGG
01-14-2012, 07:06 PM
Who?

ModernDaySavage
01-14-2012, 07:39 PM
actually dwight is my second fav player behind kobe in the nba so you talk 2 much .I dont like lebron or wade but still have them in the top 3. Thats the truth so face it or dont come in the forum talkin ****. Everybody has there opinion who are you 2 tell anybody there wrong wat you god now lol. every player in the nba when ask whose the best they say kobe and lebron second go youtube it and chk out all interviews startin from the ones this summer and so on. You talk 2 much everybody in here have rose at top 4 are u right 2 tell them they are wrong who are u. Rose kills cp3 everytime they meet so i dont disagree with them its opinions it dont mean s--- . Kobe and d rose are great stop hating

Who said anything about how much you like a player? You had Dwight Howard at #7 on your **** list that's all I brought up. Read what I post before you respond all cocky.

Bruno
01-14-2012, 08:16 PM
2nd in per and .230 WS/48 is elite of the elites


Check offensive efficiency


Could you explain?

x2. can you expand chronz?

RLundi
01-14-2012, 08:23 PM
You sound like you dont like Kobe. Why dont you expect him to keep up a similar pace the entire season? You think teams will "Figure him out"? You think he's to old? Well he's proving doubters wrong every year.

Unbelievable. So anyone who believes he will come back down to earth automatically doesn't 'like' Kobe?

If you expect him to continue averaging 40 points a game or sustain this pace for the entire season, you're sorely mistaken and/or delusional.

Bruno
01-14-2012, 08:23 PM
The Cavs and Jazz would have made the playoffs last year if the season ended after 10-14 games. That means nothing. The teams still suck and will go nowhere this year.
its what we have to work with right now. your examples are mediocre.

Thirteen games into last season the jazz still had deron williams. you can't make that comparison as he was traded and was the focal point of the team.


Cleveland was 5-8 after the first thirteen games of last season.

kArSoN RyDaH
01-14-2012, 09:59 PM
People are forgetting the Lakers also don't have Shannon Brown backing up Kobe this year so Kobe's minutes are increased. Thus, his shots are increasing. More minutes, more shots, more points. Makes sense.


As long as the Lakers keep winning I'll be happy.


Nonetheless, Kobe continues to amaze me... 16 years and all those miles and yet he's still BALLLINNNNNNNNN!

KingPosey
01-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Funny, all I heard 10 years ago was how bad Shaq was and he is stopping Kobe from being the GOAT. A lot of Laker fans even said he was overrated and were completely for the trade that sent him out of LA.

Now he is one of the greatest? (Which I always thought he was but to hear fans change their minds in less than 10 years is just weird.)

Huh? People changing their minds in less than a decade is "weird"?

lakersiznumber1
01-15-2012, 01:49 AM
Who said anything about how much you like a player? You had Dwight Howard at #7 on your **** list that's all I brought up. Read what I post before you respond all cocky.

again its only my opinion who are you 2 say im wrong get off my d___. you think i give a ******* who you think is better its a thread ppl post wat they want. now shut up and leave it as that

XpLiCiTT
01-15-2012, 01:53 AM
I know hes playing great again this year, but hes top 4

Lebron, Dwight, and you could put Durant/Wade in front too.

bulldog312
01-15-2012, 02:08 AM
It's always tough to debate any exact ordering of players, because they are all in completely different situations that play a major factor. I'd say my top 5, in no order, are Lebron, Rose, Durant, Kobe, and Howard. I don't even think it's that tough of a decision for me to list those 5.

XpLiCiTT
01-15-2012, 02:09 AM
It's always tough to debate any exact ordering of players, because they are all in completely different situations that play a major factor. I'd say my top 5, in no order, are Lebron, Rose, Durant, Kobe, and Howard. I don't even think it's that tough of a decision for me to list those 5.

I hate when people put Rose in front of Wade..and don't get me wrong Rose is unbelievable

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-15-2012, 02:10 AM
Tired and exhausted Kobe just put up 42.

XpLiCiTT
01-15-2012, 02:12 AM
He really shines in this new system

bulldog312
01-15-2012, 02:13 AM
I hate when people put Rose in front of Wade..and don't get me wrong Rose is unbelievable

LOL, I just said the other day it was ridiculous people still have Wade in front of Rose or in the top 5. I just can't see any justification for it. Injuries are starting to take a toll on Wade. Rose clearly has the better numbers and is the #1 option and clear leader of a team with a better record while Wade is option #2.

whitemamba33
01-15-2012, 02:13 AM
Tired and exhausted Kobe just put up 42.

It's impressive on it's own, but there weren't nearly enough touches for the bigs tonight. I think this is a game where Bynum should have easily had a 20/20.

xabial
01-15-2012, 02:16 AM
kobe is still number 1 until lebron or durant takes his crown. jus like when jordan took it from magic. Dwight and paul rankin is 2 high i dont thing dwight is as good as everybody says he is he will never be as good as shaq was.
1 kobe
2 lebron
3 wade
4 durant
5 rose
6 paul
7 howard

Not everyone can be 7 feet plus and weigh more then 300 pounds.

But averaging 15+ rebounds, 2+ Blocks, 1+ Steals, 20+ Points so far this season and to win a back to back to back Defensive Player of The Year Award (And Will be a strong competitor for his fourth win in a row) is still very impressive.

There may never be another Shaq but then again there may never be another Dwight either.

XpLiCiTT
01-15-2012, 02:20 AM
LOL, I just said the other day it was ridiculous people still have Wade in front of Rose or in the top 5. I just can't see any justification for it. Injuries are starting to take a toll on Wade. Rose clearly has the better numbers and is the #1 option and clear leader of a team with a better record while Wade is option #2.

How is it ridiculous? lol...the "option #2" comment is irrelevant because Rose would be option 2 on the heat as well. Rose has the potential to be greater than Wade, but I don't think its fair to give him that title just yet.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-15-2012, 02:26 AM
It's impressive on it's own, but there weren't nearly enough touches for the bigs tonight. I think this is a game where Bynum should have easily had a 20/20.

He wasn't getting many rebounds in the first half, and he played soft downlow when he did get the ball. Pau and Bynum's indecisiveness made the offense stagnant when they did get the ball. And it's not like either one did a great job defending Griffin or matching his hustle and athleticism. And didn't do all that great on pick-and-roll defense to get out on CP3.

bulldog312
01-15-2012, 02:30 AM
How is it ridiculous? lol...the "option #2" comment is irrelevant because Rose would be option 2 on the heat as well. Rose has the potential to be greater than Wade, but I don't think its fair to give him that title just yet.

Here is the point I was trying to make there. There are 2 ways of looking at which player is better. First, there is looking at the stats they put up. Second, there is looking at how they actually impact the game and help their team win games. By saying that Wade is the #2 option on a team that has won fewer games, I was implying that Wade isn't impacting the game more than Rose is. Rose is superior to Wade in both of those arguments right now. And again, it isn't really close in my mind. You can blame it on injuries or whatever (Rose has been hurt too, remember), but at age 30, I don't think you can count on seeing Wade as a top 5 player anymore. His body has taken a beating over his career and it is catching up to him (especially with this shortened schedule).

whitemamba33
01-15-2012, 02:34 AM
He wasn't getting many rebounds in the first half, and he played soft downlow when he did get the ball. Pau and Bynum's indecisiveness made the offense stagnant when they did get the ball. And it's not like either one did a great job defending Griffin or matching his hustle and athleticism. And didn't do all that great on pick-and-roll defense to get out on CP3.

They are playing disinterested, and it's hard to blame them. Nobody wants to run around that long without getting the ball. Nobody wants to get down low and post up if they are just going to be ignored.

I'm not blaming the bigs, and i'm not blaming Kobe. But they all need to lock themselves in a room for a few hours and decided on a better offensive strategy than Kobe scoring 40 every night and everybody else watching.

There are not a lot of centers in the league better than Andrew Bynum, and there are not a lot of power forwards in the league better than Gasol. If they aren't playing to their potential, i'm willing to bet it's not just a coincidence.

tredigs
01-15-2012, 02:38 AM
They are playing disinterested, and it's hard to blame them. Nobody wants to run around that long without getting the ball. Nobody wants to get down low and post up if they are just going to be ignored.

I'm not blaming the bigs, and i'm not blaming Kobe. But they all need to lock themselves in a room for a few hours and decided on a better offensive strategy than Kobe scoring 40 every night and everybody else watching.

There are not a lot of centers in the league better than Andrew Bynum, and there are not a lot of power forwards in the league better than Gasol. If they aren't playing to their potential, i'm willing to bet it's not just a coincidence.

Exactly.

Can't put their situation more succinct than that.

That team needs a talented PG who with leadership abilities. Bad. Bonus points if he can shoot a three.

XpLiCiTT
01-15-2012, 02:38 AM
Ok (I'm aware how well Kobe is playing right now, its unbelievable) but you cant really use age and injuries as a reason to keep Wade out of your top 5 when Kobe has dealt with the same stuff.

Rose impacts the game more because he is the only star on his team, and he has the ball in his hands at almost all times. Thats pretty obvious. If you put Wade on a separate team by himself he'd be doing the same thing. I'm not living in the past, but look at Wades numbers in the 06 finals, and since then he's been amazing every single year and his numbers have been better than Rose until this year. Your taking a small sample size and blowing it out of proportion. Wades a better defender too.

I'm not bashing Rose at all, I have him at 5/6 in my top players and that will only rise with time..but I personally just feel DWade still deserves to be in the top 5.

I think its fair to have Lebron, Dwight, Kobe, and Wade top 4..and then have Durant and Rose battling for the current 5 spot.

Chronz
01-15-2012, 03:38 AM
Bynum/Pau looked pissed off tonight

shep33
01-15-2012, 03:55 AM
Bynum/Pau looked pissed off tonight

Pau played like crap tonight. Settling for jumpers and got completely owned on the glass. He shot the ball 17 times, so it's not like he wasn't getting the ball. Bynum shot 6-13 and he was struggling offensively too.

I thought Kobe played pretty well. If Lebron puts up 42, 7 and 4 on 50% shooting and loses, then PSD would cry "LBJ needs help".

I don't blame Kobe at all for tonight's game. In all truth Pau and Drew looked tired out there. 4th game in 5 nights is rough for our bigs, especially with Murphy and McRoberts being limited

We need a solid pg... like it's so bad right now. Of course Chris Paul destroyed us, he had a mid-2nd round rookie guarding him for most of tonight, or a 37 year who is the least productive starting pg in the league over the past few years.

MTar786
01-15-2012, 04:01 AM
Bynum/Pau looked pissed off tonight

was pau angry he only had 17 shot attempts? or was bynum mad he only got 13? i think maybe they are angry at themselves?

DaLakerz Rulz
01-15-2012, 04:11 AM
Pau played like crap tonight. Settling for jumpers and got completely owned on the glass. He shot the ball 17 times, so it's not like he wasn't getting the ball. Bynum shot 6-13 and he was struggling offensively too.

I thought Kobe played pretty well. If Lebron puts up 42, 7 and 4 on 50% shooting and loses, then PSD would cry "LBJ needs help".

I don't blame Kobe at all for tonight's game. In all truth Pau and Drew looked tired out there. 4th game in 5 nights is rough for our bigs, especially with Murphy and McRoberts being limited

We need a solid pg... like it's so bad right now. Of course Chris Paul destroyed us, he had a mid-2nd round rookie guarding him for most of tonight, or a 37 year who is the least productive starting pg in the league over the past few years.

Exactly this loss was not on Kobe at all. The bigs were just not aggressive and our defense just stunk. Kobe was making his shots late in the game...we lost because Pau/Bynum kept giving up offensive rebounds that turned into second chance points. Lakers got beat on the boards 50-42 and they are the #1 rebounding team in the league. The PG problem is a given every single game for the last 2-3 years, so I don't even feel the need to bring it up anymore.

bballswishanet
01-15-2012, 04:18 AM
Point 1)Shaq is a Top 5 center of all time and arguably a top 10 player and also arguably the most dominant player of all time. He averaged 16 FGA a game. Bynum had 13 FGA which is only 3 less than a top five center's career average. So to say Bynum didn't get a lot of shot attempts is not only silly but also stupid.

Gasol had 17 shot attempts, one more than a top five center's average, and only one less than last year's scoring leader(Durant who is his team's FIRST option). Saying that Gasol didn't get enough shots is not only stupid but also completely idiotic.

Point 2) Bynum got THAT many shot attempts while having a Top 5 PF(Gasol) on his team and while having having a player who averages 31 points a game(Kobe) which strengthens point 1, even though point 1 didn't need any more support. Gasol had THAT many shot attempts while having a Top 2 center in the game(Bynum) and while having having a player who averages 31 points a game(Kobe) which also strengthens point 1, even though point 1 didn't need any more support.

Point 1+2) To say that Kobe's game didn't allow to give Bynum and Gasol enough shots is not only silly and stupid and completely idiotic but also should take away your posting capabilities when you post something concerning anything about basketball(especially when who are trying to marginalize through hating a player who shot 50%, scored 42 points, has 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 1 block, and only had 2 turnovers while playing a team high 44 minutes with a torn ligament on his shooting hand).

Point 3) Bynum shot under 50%, while Gasol shot 41% off of 17 shots. So to say that the leading scorer(KOBE), who previously has 3 back to back 40 point games and who has five rings and who is currently the highest scorer in the league with 31 points a game and also has the most career points currently in the league, should take less shots so that others on his team can shoot more is moronic and strengthens point1+2, even though point 1+2 didn't need any more support.





^^The type of ownage that you just read in the analysis above can be made for every single excuse to hate on Kobe, but it does not make sense to address the nonsense because a new excuse to hate on Kobe's basketball utter amazingness is forced after every game. Plus no need for others to own the blatant and pettily forced haters because Kobe is doing a great job doing that himself.

sunsfan88
01-17-2012, 02:42 AM
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AIRMAR72
01-17-2012, 03:04 AM
we see what happens after the allstar break but to be honest kobe is playing well so far but with a good solid defender on him, kobe cant do anything beside say a prayer and fire away at the basket like ive been saying kobe is FINISH simply too many miles on his knees

Chronz
01-17-2012, 05:00 AM
was pau angry he only had 17 shot attempts? or was bynum mad he only got 13? i think maybe they are angry at themselves?
No it was because they werent given a chance late. Even if you had a point and they were struggling up until that point, the point of team building is that you trust the guys who have come through for you. I dont care if Bynum is "struggling", he shouldnt become an absolute after thought for long stretches. He usually dominates DeAndre and smaller guys like Evans, he just needed more looks the same way Kobe got even though he started off horrendously.


Pau played like crap tonight. Settling for jumpers and got completely owned on the glass. He shot the ball 17 times, so it's not like he wasn't getting the ball. Bynum shot 6-13 and he was struggling offensively too.
Neither he nor Bynum were getting the ball at all down the stretch was my point.


I thought Kobe played pretty well. If Lebron puts up 42, 7 and 4 on 50% shooting and loses, then PSD would cry "LBJ needs help".

I try to go deeper but it also depends on the typical results, Kobe right now isnt posting LeBron efficiency.


I don't blame Kobe at all for tonight's game. In all truth Pau and Drew looked tired out there. 4th game in 5 nights is rough for our bigs, especially with Murphy and McRoberts being limited

We need a solid pg... like it's so bad right now. Of course Chris Paul destroyed us, he had a mid-2nd round rookie guarding him for most of tonight, or a 37 year who is the least productive starting pg in the league over the past few years.
What happened to the doberman?

nickdymez
01-17-2012, 07:15 AM
I love how much people hate Kobe.. I bet he does too..

Raps18-19 Champ
01-17-2012, 08:24 AM
Pau played like crap tonight. Settling for jumpers and got completely owned on the glass. He shot the ball 17 times, so it's not like he wasn't getting the ball. Bynum shot 6-13 and he was struggling offensively too.

I thought Kobe played pretty well. If Lebron puts up 42, 7 and 4 on 50% shooting and loses, then PSD would cry "LBJ needs help".

I don't blame Kobe at all for tonight's game. In all truth Pau and Drew looked tired out there. 4th game in 5 nights is rough for our bigs, especially with Murphy and McRoberts being limited

We need a solid pg... like it's so bad right now. Of course Chris Paul destroyed us, he had a mid-2nd round rookie guarding him for most of tonight, or a 37 year who is the least productive starting pg in the league over the past few years.

Who's blaming Kobe if he puts up those numbers? I'm sure most people here would blame Kobe's supporting cast.

quade36
01-17-2012, 08:44 AM
I love how much people hate Kobe.. I bet he does too..

I think Kobe's attitude through the eyes of the media painted this picture.

beliges
01-17-2012, 02:54 PM
we see what happens after the allstar break but to be honest kobe is playing well so far but with a good solid defender on him, kobe cant do anything beside say a prayer and fire away at the basket like ive been saying kobe is FINISH simply too many miles on his knees

How amazing of a player does one have to be to lead the league in scoring after he is already FINISHED? Now thats something remarkable.