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JordansBulls
01-09-2012, 01:12 PM
Should the Celtics consider cleaning the house with KG, Pierce, and Allen?

And what I mean is start the rebuilding process?

Gators123
01-09-2012, 01:15 PM
Absolutely.

Hellcrooner
01-09-2012, 01:16 PM
They should try to Use the Expirings to do the B.S move.

Trade them to a team for some TALENT and bad contract they want to get rid of and then make the team cut the traded celtics players so it can sign back in Boston.

As in , send kg to Atlanta for J J or J S and then atlanta cuts him and goes back.

latinofire21
01-09-2012, 01:17 PM
they should have started this offseason. this season is too condensed to help them in a positive way. Ship them while they still have value.

dhopisthename
01-09-2012, 01:20 PM
They should try to Use the Expirings to do the B.S move.

Trade them to a team for some TALENT and bad contract they want to get rid of and then make the team cut the traded celtics players so it can sign back in Boston.

As in , send kg to Atlanta for J J or J S and then atlanta cuts him and goes back.

why on earth would atlanta trade joe johnson and josh smith for kg just to cut him?

Hellcrooner
01-09-2012, 01:21 PM
why on earth would atlanta trade joe johnson and josh smith for kg just to cut him?

JJ OR JS.


TO create capspace and avoid future trouble you trade one and amnesty the other, JJ is easily the worst contract in the league and its not getting any younger.

SportsAndrew25
01-09-2012, 01:22 PM
I would say these three still could make one more push.

JordansBulls
01-09-2012, 01:22 PM
They should try to Use the Expirings to do the B.S move.

Trade them to a team for some TALENT and bad contract they want to get rid of and then make the team cut the traded celtics players so it can sign back in Boston.

As in , send kg to Atlanta for J J or J S and then atlanta cuts him and goes back.

That's against the new CBA I believe. If you trade a player and he is cut he can't return to the team that traded him for a year.

Hellcrooner
01-09-2012, 01:22 PM
That's against the new CBA I believe. If you trade a player and he is cut he can't return to the team that traded him for a year.

I think they didnt fix the hole, at least it didnt get mention by Thorpe .

Ebbs
01-09-2012, 01:27 PM
Yes now or never. . . Honestly this shouldn't even be a decision think of all the young talent/picks Pierce/KG/Allen could net you.

Kashmir13579
01-09-2012, 01:31 PM
A top 4 team in the east shouldn't rebuild.

SeoulBeatz
01-09-2012, 01:32 PM
I wouldn't count out Boston.

I feel like they can give it one more go.

JordansBulls
01-09-2012, 01:32 PM
Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for KG.

Wade>You
01-09-2012, 01:32 PM
I would, time to start rebuilding around Rondo.

P Styles
01-09-2012, 01:35 PM
Can someone lay out the remaining years on Pierce, Allen, KG contracts?

That would help when coming up with an answer to this thread.

My gut tells me they have another run or two left in them though.

GrumpyOldMan
01-09-2012, 01:36 PM
I would move KG and Allen, but would keep Pierce. Rebuild around the players/draft picks you get for Allen and KG along with Pierce, Rondo and Jeff Green (who I still really like) and you don't have to wait very long to contend....especially in the east.

bagwell368
01-09-2012, 01:36 PM
A top 4 team in the east shouldn't rebuild.

They won't be top 4 when the playoffs hit. No team this old has ever won a title. I'd rather deal Allen and tank more, to improve the Celts draft pick.

#1. KG is going to retire - slot for a FA
#2. Allen is playing well and could draw a nice deal at the deadline, if not, he's gone too.
#3. Flush PP as an expiring.

Got fat slots, two picks, Rondo and a couple of other pieces to go forward.

bagwell368
01-09-2012, 01:38 PM
Can someone lay out the remaining years on Pierce, Allen, KG contracts?

That would help when coming up with an answer to this thread.

My gut tells me they have another run or two left in them though.

They have no run.

Allen and KG are both done at the end of the year. KG should retire, Allen might sign a deal for 2-3 years for cheapish money to pull a team to a title.

Pierce has 3 more years at high money.

TheNumber37
01-09-2012, 02:17 PM
pierce isn't going anywhere. ray might resign or walk to another contender looking for his ultimate floor spacing... clippers, thunder, Knicks... whenever Howard goes. kg should go play with Howard or duncan.

JordansBulls
01-09-2012, 02:20 PM
They won't be top 4 when the playoffs hit. No team this old has ever won a title. I'd rather deal Allen and tank more, to improve the Celts draft pick.

#1. KG is going to retire - slot for a FA
#2. Allen is playing well and could draw a nice deal at the deadline, if not, he's gone too.
#3. Flush PP as an expiring.

Got fat slots, two picks, Rondo and a couple of other pieces to go forward.

Bulls 1998

THE 1997-1998 CHICAGO BULLS

Player Birth Date Age at Finals
Dennis Rodman 5/13/1961 37.08
Michael Jordan 2/17/1963 35.31
Bill Wennington 5/26/1963 35.04
Ron Harper 1/20/1964 34.39
Scottie Pippen 9/25/1965 32.70
Steve Kerr 9/27/1965 32.70
Randy Brown 5/22/1968 30.05
Toni Kukoc 9/18/1968 29.72
Luc Longley 1/19/1969 29.38
Scott Burrell 1/12/1971 27.40
Keith Booth 10/09/1974 23.66

AVERAGE 31.58


Here was the starting 5's age

THE 1997-1998 CHICAGO BULLS

Player Birth Date Age at Finals
Dennis Rodman 5/13/1961 37.08
Michael Jordan 2/17/1963 35.31
Scottie Pippen 9/25/1965 32.70
Ron Harper 1/20/1964 34.39
Luc Longley 1/19/1969 29.38

AVERAGE 33.77

Hellcrooner
01-09-2012, 02:24 PM
Bulls 1998

THE 1997-1998 CHICAGO BULLS

Player Birth Date Age at Finals
Dennis Rodman 5/13/1961 37.08
Michael Jordan 2/17/1963 35.31
Bill Wennington 5/26/1963 35.04
Ron Harper 1/20/1964 34.39
Scottie Pippen 9/25/1965 32.70
Steve Kerr 9/27/1965 32.70
Randy Brown 5/22/1968 30.05
Toni Kukoc 9/18/1968 29.72
Luc Longley 1/19/1969 29.38
Scott Burrell 1/12/1971 27.40
Keith Booth 10/09/1974 23.66

AVERAGE 31.58


Here was the starting 5's age

THE 1997-1998 CHICAGO BULLS

Player Birth Date Age at Finals
Dennis Rodman 5/13/1961 37.08
Michael Jordan 2/17/1963 35.31
Scottie Pippen 9/25/1965 32.70
Ron Harper 1/20/1964 34.39
Luc Longley 1/19/1969 29.38

AVERAGE 33.77


And who is jordan in this celtic team?

heck, who is on pips level?

Celticsfan2007
01-09-2012, 02:25 PM
JJ OR JS.


TO create capspace and avoid future trouble you trade one and amnesty the other, JJ is easily the worst contract in the league and its not getting any younger.

:facepalm:Really?

The hawks are more of a contending team than the C's. There is NO WAY the hawks trade JJ contract no matter how bad it is unless they got some type of value in return that allows them to still compete.

I'm glad your not running my team.

YoungOne
01-09-2012, 02:28 PM
They should try to Use the Expirings to do the B.S move.

Trade them to a team for some TALENT and bad contract they want to get rid of and then make the team cut the traded celtics players so it can sign back in Boston.

As in , send kg to Atlanta for J J or J S and then atlanta cuts him and goes back.

under the new cba they cant rejoin them in the same season!

Hustlenomics
01-09-2012, 02:30 PM
just get rid of Kevin Garnett and they should be good

YoungOne
01-09-2012, 02:33 PM
only If the right deals coming around the corner.

Corey
01-09-2012, 02:36 PM
Yes, they should consider it (and likely already have)

Garnett and Allen are expiring, Rondo is a valuable asset, and Pierce can be moved as well.

Start the rebuild while your pieces still have value.

5ass
01-09-2012, 02:46 PM
just get rid of Kevin Garnett and they should be good

the celtics minus KG are nothing. You want Bass to start at PF?

Hustlenomics
01-09-2012, 02:49 PM
the celtics minus KG are nothing. You want Bass to start at PF?

i meant trade obviously. Bass is outplaying KG this year

Corey
01-09-2012, 03:11 PM
i meant trade obviously. Bass is outplaying KG this year

Their numbers have evened out since the first couple of games. They're averaging nearly identical numbers now since Garnett woke up a bit.

Cole World
01-09-2012, 03:38 PM
Why would you blow up this team? They are a top tier team and if I am not mistaken KG and Ray come out of their contracts this year? thats got to be nearly $30 million in them along in expiring contracts ... that will put you in a great financial situation next year. Its too bad they signed Pierce to such a ridiculous contract extension .. he is not worth what he is getting in my opinion

IndyRealist
01-09-2012, 03:45 PM
....no one thinks they're already rebuilding? Rondo, Brandon Bass and Jeff Green are a good start. Greg Stiemsma was a find, even if I can't spell his last name. Ray Allen is a top 10 SG until the day he retires.

If you can rebuild and still stay a playoff team and possible contender, then why not?

seikou8
01-09-2012, 03:50 PM
....no one thinks they're already rebuilding? Rondo, Brandon Bass and Jeff Green are a good start. Greg Stiemsma was a find, even if I can't spell his last name. Ray Allen is a top 10 SG until the day he retires.

If you can rebuild and still stay a playoff team and possible contender, then why not?

thats true but not the contender part if you rebuild you cant be a championship contender

JordansBulls
01-09-2012, 03:54 PM
And who is jordan in this celtic team?

heck, who is on pips level?

I'm any of the big 3 now was as good as 1998 Pippen.

PacersForLife
01-09-2012, 04:00 PM
A top 4 team in the east shouldn't rebuild.
Technically they are not longer a top 4 team.

I wouldn't count out Boston.

I feel like they can give it one more go.
I feel like Boston could beat the bottom 4 teams in the East playoff standings, but don't stand much of a chance with the top 4.


Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for KG.

I don't see why Atlanta would trade two young, talented guys for an old player who isn't what he used to be.

PhillyFaninLA
01-09-2012, 04:02 PM
If you think you have another run or two in you then you take the run, but if not then you trade all three (and maybe Rondo) and get draft picks and young players its worth it.

Lim
01-09-2012, 04:05 PM
problem with pierce is he probably wants to retire a celtic. i would trade KG and allen while they still have value though. potentially trade rondo too while his value is crazy high.

rapjuicer06
01-09-2012, 04:11 PM
JJ Redick/Chris Duhon/Justin Harper for Ray Allen and Keyon Dooling

Jameer Nelson and Ryan Anderson and a first for Steve Nash

Nash/Dooling
Allen/Richardson
Turk/Clark/Q
Davis/Clark
Howard/Orton

Then Orlando has 22 million in expiring contracts and can go get D-Will :)

After the season Orlando would be at 19,258,080 or around there, and they'd def. compete this year as well

PhillyFaninLA
01-09-2012, 04:11 PM
problem with pierce is he probably wants to retire a celtic. i would trade KG and allen while they still have value though. potentially trade rondo too while his value is crazy high.


Rondo for Jameer Nelson, Orton, and Reddick and other pieces on both sides if needed.

I think Orlando considers it because it gets them a star maybe just below superstar at PG and may make Dwight happy.

Cole World
01-09-2012, 04:14 PM
Rondo for Jameer Nelson, Orton, and Reddick and other pieces on both sides if needed.

I think Orlando considers it because it gets them a star maybe just below superstar at PG and may make Dwight happy.

why the **** would the Celtics do that ???

CousinsEvansDUO
01-09-2012, 04:17 PM
If a garbage team such as the mavs can win it all, so can the celtics. You people are being ridiculous here...you are thinking in relation to video games. In real life it's not about if your team is full of 80 overall players or 60. Mavs won with a bunch of old has-beens and so can the celtics. When it comes down to the wire, it is all about the little decisions you make in a ball game, not who's perceived to have the best chance by the media.

thekmp211
01-09-2012, 04:20 PM
c's are in a tough spot because their vets are so damn overpaid. not sure which contenders would be willing to surrender worthwhile assets in return for any of them. i'd love an upgrade at center, but boston's best bet is to stay healthy and hope to snag one of k-mart or wilson chandler once they finish up in china. their experience alone makes them a top 3 team in the east. rebuild once the contracts expire.

Hustlenomics
01-09-2012, 04:26 PM
Rondo for Jameer Nelson, Orton, and Reddick and other pieces on both sides if needed.

I think Orlando considers it because it gets them a star maybe just below superstar at PG and may make Dwight happy.

what the ...


If a garbage team such as the mavs can win it all, so can the celtics. You people are being ridiculous here...you are thinking in relation to video games. In real life it's not about if your team is full of 80 overall players or 60. Mavs won with a bunch of old has-beens and so can the celtics. When it comes down to the wire, it is all about the little decisions you make in a ball game, not who's perceived to have the best chance by the media.

:laugh:

daboywonder2002
01-09-2012, 04:27 PM
when you're a championship contender like boston(even though people think the window is closed) you let it ride out. let the big 3 retire. first of all, their trade value is pretty low. and id rather just let them retire and have the cap space + top draft picks. do you see the spurs trying to trade duncan?? NO!!.

rapjuicer06
01-09-2012, 04:30 PM
Anyone saying Ray Allen's trade value is low is high. The guy is playing out of his mind right now

5ass
01-09-2012, 05:26 PM
Rondo for Jameer Nelson, Orton, and Reddick and other pieces on both sides if needed.

I think Orlando considers it because it gets them a star maybe just below superstar at PG and may make Dwight happy.

no way in hell celtics do that trade

5ass
01-09-2012, 05:29 PM
Their numbers have evened out since the first couple of games. They're averaging nearly identical numbers now since Garnett woke up a bit.

so he's judging off what the 1st 2-3 games less than 8 games? no way bass outplays garnett every night for the rest of the season. garnett still has bass beat in everything offense, defense, rebounding, passing literally everything. Its really not even close.

Hustlenomics
01-09-2012, 05:48 PM
so he's judging off what the 1st 2-3 games less than 8 games? no way bass outplays garnett every night for the rest of the season. garnett still has bass beat in everything offense, defense, rebounding, passing literally everything. Its really not even close.

I'm judging off the whole season so far Garnett is too slow and Bass plays with more energy and hustle and is hitting a good majority of his jumpers and is dunking on people too. Hopefully KG does pick his game up the rest of the season

B'sCeltsPatsSox
01-09-2012, 06:13 PM
Yes, they should consider it (and likely already have)

Garnett and Allen are expiring, Rondo is a valuable asset, and Pierce can be moved as well.

Start the rebuild while your pieces still have value.

This. I'd see what KG and Allen's asking prices are but would keep them if they don't get good asking prices in the market because of expiring contracts.

Nycbball08
01-09-2012, 06:36 PM
I'll take Ray Ray in NY, cant stand the other two...

Nick O
01-09-2012, 06:46 PM
not allen... dude still shoots lights out.. KG is starting to become a liability

Lakeshow24KB
01-09-2012, 06:52 PM
I don't know how well the chemistry would work with new people along with Rondo? If I'm not mistaken the Celtics were considering trading Rondo since he had some attitude problems in the locker room but he was lucky to have veterans everywhere to help him mature. Rondo playing with other young raw talent would be interesting to watch develop.

Sportfan
01-09-2012, 06:52 PM
If I was in charge, yes but it's a bad PR decision for Boston changing the entire team and rebuilding/tanking during the middle of the season, celtic season ticket holders would sue, basketball in boston would be dead.


In a perfect world, the Celtics would trade KG to either Philly, Atlanta, Denver. Philly would give Turner, Vucevic, Brand, firsts. probably could add Ray for Iggy. Denver could offer Chandler S&T Faried, Andre and first. Atlanta could offer Smoove and marv (although unlikely)

Pierce to Sac or GS. Tyreke for Pierce would be sick, if Sacramento wanted to compete. Monta would be nice too. If we can't get a good player, some package like Wright, Thompson, Tyler 2012 first would be a nice haul to get rid of that contract. I'd take Cousins or Hickson/Thompson/first too

i dont even know about ray, but he probably has the most value of the 3 so whatever we get must be good

Sportfan
01-09-2012, 07:00 PM
I don't see why Atlanta would trade two young, talented guys for an old player who isn't what he used to be.
Marv's contract is terrible, Atlanta would pay to get rid of it, Smith just doesn't fit in with they're team imo. Get some more size with KG and really anchor the post down low (J-smoove's D is overrated, he sucks in the post as a PF) and some veteran leadership that team desperately needs.

JJ Redick/Chris Duhon/Justin Harper for Ray Allen and Keyon Dooling

Jameer Nelson and Ryan Anderson and a first for Steve Nash

Nash/Dooling
Allen/Richardson
Turk/Clark/Q
Davis/Clark
Howard/Orton

Then Orlando has 22 million in expiring contracts and can go get D-Will :)

After the season Orlando would be at 19,258,080 or around there, and they'd def. compete this year as well
:pity: You give Phoneix Anderson for Nash who's regressing and is probably a worse player over Ray and the Celtics who can play for a good 3-4 more years and is playing amazing right now????

Anderson and a first it's a done deal for Ray package him out. Eh, we'll take Redick too.

SeoulBeatz
01-09-2012, 07:08 PM
If I was in charge, yes but it's a bad PR decision for Boston changing the entire team and rebuilding/tanking during the middle of the season, celtic season ticket holders would sue, basketball in boston would be dead.


In a perfect world, the Celtics would trade KG to either Philly, Atlanta, Denver. Philly would give Turner, Vucevic, Brand, firsts. probably could add Ray for Iggy. Denver could offer Chandler S&T Faried, Andre and first. Atlanta could offer Smoove and marv (although unlikely)

Pierce to Sac or GS. Tyreke for Pierce would be sick, if Sacramento wanted to compete. Monta would be nice too. If we can't get a good player, some package like Wright, Thompson, Tyler 2012 first would be a nice haul to get rid of that contract. I'd take Cousins or Hickson/Thompson/first too

i dont even know about ray, but he probably has whatever we get must be good

Turner, Vuc, brand, and firsts for kg? Are u high??

I woulnt trade brand for kg straight up at this point.

Sportfan
01-09-2012, 07:15 PM
Turner, Vuc, brand, and firsts for kg? Are u high??

I woulnt trade brand for kg straight up at this point.

No....

Turner seems to have no spot in Philly and it doesn't look like he's breaking out anytime soon. Won't be more than a good 6th man. Trading Brand saves you 17 mil next season, you're complaining about that? The sixers won't be a lotto team or anything, hell they could win the Atlantic and be a top 4 seed. will be around 16-22. Vuc is the attractive piece, but Philly looks to have it's center of the future in Hawes so he can be expendable.

In return Philly is getting a top 10 PF, he's off to a slow start sure, but he'll find his rhythm soon enough. A defensive anchor (Hawes sucks on D, KG isn't what he was 4 years ago but he's still one of the best defensive post PF's) to control the paint, a midrange scorer, and a team leader, someone who's been there before. With Jrue/Iggy/Thad/KG/Hawes and Lou Will as 6th man Philly could be a 2nd round team this year and on it's way to contention

SeoulBeatz
01-09-2012, 07:21 PM
No....

Turner seems to have no spot in Philly and it doesn't look like he's breaking out anytime soon. Won't be more than a good 6th man. Trading Brand saves you 17 mil next season, you're complaining about that? The sixers won't be a lotto team or anything, hell they could win the Atlantic and be a top 4 seed. will be around 16-22. Vuc is the attractive piece, but Philly looks to have it's center of the future in Hawes so he can be expendable.

In return Philly is getting a top 10 PF, he's off to a slow start sure, but he'll find his rhythm soon enough. A defensive anchor (Hawes sucks on D, KG isn't what he was 4 years ago but he's still one of the best defensive post PF's) to control the paint, a midrange scorer, and a team leader, someone who's been there before. With Jrue/Iggy/Thad/KG/Hawes and Lou Will as 6th man Philly could be a 2nd round team this year and on it's way to contention


Wow... a 36 year old center with maybe a year or two left for a 23 year old #2 pick, our first round pikc this year, an aging PF in Brand who is 4 years younger than KG and outplaying him this year and lastm and first round picks.

You realize how ridiculous that is?

This isn't 2001 KG....

KG won't net anything close to that at this point in his career, and I'm sure most celtics fans will agree.

36 year old PF's with huge contracts on the brink of retirement don't get much value on the trade market..... You'd be lucky to get a first round pick and expiring for him.

Stop being a homer.

Sportfan
01-09-2012, 07:38 PM
Wow... a 36 year old center with maybe a year or two left for a 23 year old #2 pick, our first round pikc this year, an aging PF in Brand who is 4 years younger than KG and outplaying him this year and lastm and first round picks.

You realize how ridiculous that is?

This isn't 2001 KG....

KG won't net anything close to that at this point in his career, and I'm sure most celtics fans will agree.

36 year old PF's with huge contracts on the brink of retirement don't get much value on the trade market..... You'd be lucky to get a first round pick and expiring for him.

Stop being a homer.
A 34 year old Gary Payton who left the next year was traded for an all star Ray Allen and the #14 pick in the zomg 03 draft. That's just an example off the top of my head since ray is being discussedbecause he was drafted higher. Draft position doesn't mean a damn, it's become obvious Turner's skills won't translate to the NBA at an all star level. Solid 6th man-fringe starter but the ceiling stops there.

I guess the Thunder should trade James Harden for Thabeet, you know,

Brand outperformed KG?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The first won't be all that great.

Vuc is probably the best asset in this trade, I really like him but something has to be given up. Besides, I'm sure there will be a throw in or two. Where else is a PF of KG's nature going to be found in the trade market? Pau is the only other top PF that seems to be on the block.

mdm692
01-09-2012, 07:40 PM
Channing frye, lopez and brown for ray allen. It gives them young talent in brown and lopez and frye is one of the best 3pt shooters in the nba.

thephoenixson28
01-09-2012, 07:49 PM
3way trade

Atlanta gets-Warrick,Lopez

Celtics get-Childress,Smith

Suns get- KG

thephoenixson28
01-09-2012, 07:51 PM
Channing frye, lopez and brown for ray allen. It gives them young talent in brown and lopez and frye is one of the best 3pt shooters in the nba.Would love to have ray Allen but I think redd would fill that void.

ccspence8
01-09-2012, 07:59 PM
Keep Pierce and Rondo, trade KG and/or Allen. I'm sorry but I don't see this team having enough this year. I'd rather try and rebuild now with the ability to contend in a couple years. Rather than bank everything into this season and become mid-level old team for the next 4-8 years.

Sportfan
01-09-2012, 08:00 PM
Channing frye, lopez and brown for ray allen. It gives them young talent in brown and lopez and frye is one of the best 3pt shooters in the nba.


3way trade

Atlanta gets-Warrick,Lopez

Celtics get-Childress,Smith

Suns get- KG

Yea, give me the 2nd one all day.

I'd give Bass instead of Warrick to get this done as well, Dudz instead of Childress would make this deal awesome but I'm not gonna complain about a deal that finally gives Rondo someone to run with in transition

Corey
01-09-2012, 08:02 PM
In a perfect world, the Celtics would trade KG to either Philly, Atlanta, Denver. Philly would give Turner, Vucevic, Brand, firsts. probably could add Ray for Iggy.

You're high as a kite if you think Philly would do that.

LA_Raiders
01-09-2012, 09:08 PM
yes, they should rebuild around Rondo and green. May be keep Clown Pierce and trade the rest. KG to the Nets and Allen to chicago.

Sportfan
01-09-2012, 09:30 PM
You're high as a kite if you think Philly would do that.
Nah.

MFFL==FML
01-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Kevin Garnett for Brendan Haywood and Shawn Marion! :D

Kashmir13579
01-09-2012, 09:45 PM
They won't be top 4 when the playoffs hit. No team this old has ever won a title. I'd rather deal Allen and tank more, to improve the Celts draft pick.

#1. KG is going to retire - slot for a FA
#2. Allen is playing well and could draw a nice deal at the deadline, if not, he's gone too.
#3. Flush PP as an expiring.

Got fat slots, two picks, Rondo and a couple of other pieces to go forward.
Pierce isn't going anywhere.

mdm692
01-09-2012, 09:53 PM
All i know i that steve nash+ray allen=best 3pt shooting backcourt ever.

JordansBulls
01-10-2012, 01:43 PM
yes, they should rebuild around Rondo and green. May be keep Clown Pierce and trade the rest. KG to the Nets and Allen to chicago.

Who are they going to get from the Nets?

Celticsfan2007
01-10-2012, 01:48 PM
Who are they going to get from the Nets?

Kim Kardashian is their biggest trade chip

Sportfan
01-10-2012, 08:15 PM
Who are they going to get from the Nets?
Marshon!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drool:

Hawkeye15
01-10-2012, 08:16 PM
yes, they should start flipping KG/Pierce or Allen for youth and picks.

BronxBomber300
01-11-2012, 03:46 AM
I don't think so as both Garnett and Allen should command much lower salaries after this season when they expire. I still think they can make one more big push at a playoff run if they can get some more support around Rondo, Allen, Pierce and Garnett.

Dilbert456
01-11-2012, 04:33 AM
Definitely, they aren't getting any better so trade them and get something for them before they just retire

shep33
01-11-2012, 04:49 AM
flip em by the deadline if hope for the season is lost

jam
01-11-2012, 04:50 AM
This team, unfortunately, doesn't have the athleticism (anymore) to keep up with the likes of the Heat or the Thunder, or even the Bulls. Last year's Heat Celtics series should've underscored and bolded that point pretty clearly.

But it was (or should've been) obvious from the beginning that the big 3 were built for just 2 or 3 legitimate title runs before a slow fade...

I really don't see any of the big three retiring anytime soon: they'll hang around as role players on teams with current superstars who can make a run at a title, a la Gary Payton and Karl Malone at the ends of their careers.

Bruno
01-11-2012, 05:00 AM
really wish we could have seen the 2008 celtics match up against these heat. would have been a hell of a series. i think pierce deserves to retire a celtic, i'd hate to see him in any other uniform.

da ThRONe
01-11-2012, 05:05 AM
I would say trade them all(the big three that is) provided it's not to late to get young value players and/or mid-1st round picks. The window for titles is already closed IMO. I would say that their run was a successful one even if moderate. A stretch that any franchise would gladly like to have in their history. However it's better to start the rebuilding process one year too early than one year too late.

MJ-BULLS
01-11-2012, 05:06 AM
they are def a aging team. the celtics should consider trading kg,ray, and PP while they still have some value. as they are getting older they aren't going to get more in return. but with that said, i dont think the celtics will trade PP, he prob going to retire a celtic.

utl768
01-11-2012, 05:23 AM
Problem is none of those guys outside of pierce is gonna fetch any truly good young talent

cambovenzi
01-11-2012, 05:28 AM
If they can get a good return for them I would definitely consider trading them before they retire and they lose out completely.
They are going to need to retool very shortly.

SkipBaylessFan
01-11-2012, 10:46 AM
Celtics will never trade Pierce.

Corey
01-11-2012, 10:52 AM
Celtics will never trade Pierce.

Sure they would.

JordansBulls
01-11-2012, 01:29 PM
Celtics will never trade Pierce.

Why not? they considered trading Bird.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=640577


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/01/25/celtics.notes/index.html


Ainge told me of how he -- as a guard for the Celtics -- tried to convince team president Red Auerbach to unload Larry Bird and Kevin McHale during the 1988-89 season. I reminded him of that story while asking him why he had decided to make his old team even older by signing Shaq.

"It's not even close to the same," said Ainge. "I was playing at that time, and no way were we a championship-caliber team in '88 -- not after Larry had had surgery on both Achilles and his back, and Kevin had had a screw put in his foot. They were never the same after that.

"Our guys had injuries," said Ainge of Garnett and Pierce. "But they were playing at a very high level. It's a different world now -- the [financial] rules are different. I happen to know what was being offered for Larry and Kevin at that time, and it was pretty awesome."

Ainge said the Pacers wanted to acquire Bird in 1988 for a package that included Chuck Person, Herb Williams and Steve Stipanovich. Boston also could have moved McHale to the Mavericks for Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins, according to Ainge.



http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o165/JordansBulls/ArticleontradingBirdin1990.jpg

da ThRONe
01-11-2012, 05:28 PM
Problem is none of those guys outside of pierce is gonna fetch any truly good young talent

You have teams that are on the cusp of being true title contenders or can be a strong playoff team that could use Ray Allen's shooting, Paul Pierce's scoring, or Kevin Garnett's post defense. Your not going to net a Carmelo/CP3 type deal. However team's like Houston, Chicago, Dallas may want to pick up one or two of these guys to stay/become competitive. Maybe the Phoenix Suns try to acquire all three to put around Nash for a last minute title run before rebuilding.

Even though their salaries are high Allen and Garnett both are expiring contracts. That in itself will have value to some rebuilding teams.

Mr. Beer
01-11-2012, 09:26 PM
Only teams that are contending this year would want those guys and they aren't going to be willing to part with good young talent. I think your prob stuck with them unless they get dumped for draft picks or expiring bums.

PrettyBoyJ
01-11-2012, 09:47 PM
They should Lockout kinda close the window shut for good.. They'll be on their last legs during the playoffs and wont be effective (i.e. Patrick Ewing 1999 Lockout)

Rain 816
01-11-2012, 10:00 PM
why on earth would atlanta trade joe johnson and josh smith for kg just to cut him?

lmao...i cant believe dude even said that...lol

Sportfan
01-12-2012, 12:45 AM
Celtics will never trade Pierce.

There was a time where Pierce was almost traded for Chris Paul just sayin.

jmoney85
01-12-2012, 12:50 AM
trade stat for kg

Pierzynski4Prez
01-12-2012, 01:09 AM
Trade Pierce for an expiring contract + 1st round pick from someone.

Let KG and Allen expire.

You are left with Rondo, Bass, Bradley, and Jajuan Johnson for 18 million. Sign Dwight and Deron. Still have roughly 7-10 million to fill roster plus extra draft pick from pierce trade.

Try to deal Rondo to someone for a wing. Could probably still bring Ray back cheap too.

justsaymatte
01-12-2012, 02:29 AM
They should maybe make a few small moves (like at Center) if possible but besides that they should stand pat.

The Celtics have Rondo, Pierce, Johnson, Bradley, and maybe Bass (4 mil. player option) under contract next year for 30.5-34.5 million. They can reload in around Pierce and Rondo in 2012.

shep33
01-12-2012, 03:34 AM
keep Rondo, trade KG or Allen by the deadline if there is no hope.

latinofire21
01-12-2012, 04:10 AM
That's against the new CBA I believe. If you trade a player and he is cut he can't return to the team that traded him for a year.

That rule is for amnesty only

tyfreaks brotha
01-12-2012, 04:28 AM
As long as they get adequate value then of course they have to strongly ponder about the future. Offer KG and Pierce for Howard/Anderson/Hedo

Rondo
Allen
Green
Anderson
Howard

Then draft Future SG

shep33
01-12-2012, 04:35 AM
As long as they get adequate value then of course they have to strongly ponder about the future. Offer KG and Pierce for Howard/Anderson/Hedo

Rondo
Allen
Green
Anderson
Howard

Then draft Future SG

Pretty sure Orlando laughs at that deal.

xxcubs22xx
01-12-2012, 06:04 AM
I think they should at least break up the big 3. Not that they need to be separated but at this point they can get a lot in return for someone currently on the roster while still retaining the same level of contention with the talent you get in return (~5-6 seed IMO).

Perhaps you can't go wrong with not making a major trade, but I think that if they want to improve they should explore trades.

MOST
01-12-2012, 06:33 AM
Hard to say but they probably can get good picks or guys in return

Sportfan
01-12-2012, 07:46 AM
The problem is finding which team with some youth is willing to give it up

bagwell368
01-12-2012, 08:55 AM
If a garbage team such as the mavs can win it all, so can the celtics. You people are being ridiculous here...you are thinking in relation to video games. In real life it's not about if your team is full of 80 overall players or 60. Mavs won with a bunch of old has-beens and so can the celtics. When it comes down to the wire, it is all about the little decisions you make in a ball game, not who's perceived to have the best chance by the media.

Do some research. Tell me how many teams have won with their 4 best players being this old?

Limited athletically, old, unable to bring the D intensity of even last year, offense is getting weaker too. No chance, none. Zero.

bagwell368
01-12-2012, 09:02 AM
If I was in charge, yes but it's a bad PR decision for Boston changing the entire team and rebuilding/tanking during the middle of the season, celtic season ticket holders would sue, basketball in boston would be dead.

Nonsense. Basketball is already the 4th banana in Boston. The Celts have never been hot unless they win, and in Russell's day they were not even hot then.

Announce the moves with a backdrop video of the best of Bird's era, then segue into the black and white player shots (bad or overpaid players that is) with the yearly records of most of the teams from 1990 thru 2007 superimposed. The meaning would be clear, and the fans will be back as soon as they are young, exciting, and headed in the right direction.

This team isn't going anywhere. If we fall to the 7-8 seeds, we are out in Round 1. 6 seed - ? 3-4-5? Probably two and out. Big deal outside of 14 year olds who gets excited by that? And this team isn't fun OR interesting to watch if good basketball is your goal.

bagwell368
01-12-2012, 09:04 AM
They should maybe make a few small moves (like at Center) if possible but besides that they should stand pat.

The Celtics have Rondo, Pierce, Johnson, Bradley, and maybe Bass (4 mil. player option) under contract next year for 30.5-34.5 million. They can reload in around Pierce and Rondo in 2012.

Pierce has started his decline, by next year he could be dreadful - and by salary/production standards he will be. No way Ainge builds around him, unless the owners fear fan retribution.

JordansBulls
01-12-2012, 09:47 AM
Pretty sure Orlando laughs at that deal.

Agreed. Maybe in 2008 this is a good deal.

Pierzynski4Prez
01-12-2012, 11:56 AM
If they could move Pierce's contract, they would have room for Deron and Dwight, making rondo expendable for pieces to put around those 2.

bagwell368
01-12-2012, 12:02 PM
If they could move Pierce's contract, they would have room for Deron and Dwight, making rondo expendable for pieces to put around those 2.

Great. Now you just have to convince guys to come here:

1. weather sucks: snow, sleet, ice, rain, cold, dark (sleet/snow right now)
2. State income tax
3. Nasty aggressive media
4. Nasty aggressive fans

Oh yeah, they'll be lining up.

Pierzynski4Prez
01-12-2012, 04:25 PM
Great. Now you just have to convince guys to come here:

1. weather sucks: snow, sleet, ice, rain, cold, dark (sleet/snow right now)
2. State income tax
3. Nasty aggressive media
4. Nasty aggressive fans

Oh yeah, they'll be lining up.

You push the fact that it is one of the few, if any other places that they could play together.

Celticsfan2007
01-12-2012, 04:29 PM
You push the fact that it is one of the few, if any other places that they could play together.

But its not.

I don't care if we had enough cap space to sign 3 all stars, NBA stars don't want to come to Boston point blank. See bagwell's reasons above.

If the Celtics want to rebuild it has to be through drafts and trades, its unfortunate but very true.

Please name me the biggest star to sign in Boston via free agency...

justsaymatte
01-12-2012, 04:41 PM
Pierce has started his decline, by next year he could be dreadful - and by salary/production standards he will be. No way Ainge builds around him, unless the owners fear fan retribution.

I was think more along the fact that Pierce's contract will be hard to move because of the production to pay ratio and his age. I am under no illusions that he will be elite but Rondo and Pierce could attract some players to come together to make a championship run.

smith&wesson
01-12-2012, 04:50 PM
i think they can still make a run..

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 04:41 PM
i think they can still make a run..

Not unless they get a real center.

Daze9900
01-14-2012, 04:45 PM
I would trade them for younger pieces and draft picks; See if you can pry neal away from San antonio for Allen and their 1st rounder this year and next see if they would panic and bite.

ShakeN'Bake
01-14-2012, 04:47 PM
Yes now or never. . . Honestly this shouldn't even be a decision think of all the young talent/picks Pierce/KG/Allen could net you.

Really you honestly think we can really get anything of value in return. I seriously doubt it.

HT9Canada
01-14-2012, 04:55 PM
I compare the Celtics and Spurs. KG, Allen and Pierce and Duncan, Parker and Ginobili are past their primes. The teams were at their peak a few years ago at the same time and the Spurs have rebuilt so quickly compared to the Celtics.

The celtics have rondo, a good young player learning from the great vets.
The spurs have James Anderson, Dejuan Blair, Tiago Splitter, Kawhi Leonard, Gary Neal and Cory Joseph. When a vet goes down, a young guy can step up.

When a Celtic goes down they have to put a role player into a bigger role.

Long story short, no need to get rid of the big 3. They just need to start aquiring young guys via draft, international free agents and cheap young players that dont fit on their team.

Lim
01-14-2012, 04:57 PM
Really you honestly think we can really get anything of value in return. I seriously doubt it.

you could def get something for ray allen. guy is playing out of his mind and he is always in great shape. i could easily see him playing till 40 while being efficient still.

MTar786
01-14-2012, 07:36 PM
celtics are done for another 25 years lol

NecessaryPaper
01-14-2012, 08:03 PM
Great. Now you just have to convince guys to come here:

1. weather sucks: snow, sleet, ice, rain, cold, dark (sleet/snow right now)
2. State income tax
3. Nasty aggressive media
4. Nasty aggressive fans

Oh yeah, they'll be lining up.


I wonder if Felger and Mazz being absolute douchebags has any affect on wither or not free agents come to Boston

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 11:37 PM
celtics are done for another 25 years lol

What??? They are one of the most winniest organizations in the history of sports.

KnicksR4Real
01-15-2012, 12:02 AM
After this summer they must. Package them for a few picks.

Sportfan
01-15-2012, 04:33 AM
Really you honestly think we can really get anything of value in return. I seriously doubt it.

I'm really sick of celtic fans saying "yea we wont get **** for the big 3 other than ugly contracts, i mean they all went to the all star game last year they suck"

KG would absolutely thrive as a role player. If all you need from him is 25 minutes of stiff defense (hasn't allowed more than 20 to a PF except for Blatche LOL(but taking 20+ shots) and maybe 10-12 points off that sweet mid range jumper he's great. Boston needs him to be a 20/10 player though which he can't be. Pierce can still be the #2 guy on a championship team and Ray is perfect on a team like the Grizzlies who have scoring near the basket in Randolph/Gay and could use a shooter

JordansBulls
01-15-2012, 11:33 AM
I'm really sick of celtic fans saying "yea we wont get **** for the big 3 other than ugly contracts, i mean they all went to the all star game last year they suck"

KG would absolutely thrive as a role player. If all you need from him is 25 minutes of stiff defense (hasn't allowed more than 20 to a PF except for Blatche LOL(but taking 20+ shots) and maybe 10-12 points off that sweet mid range jumper he's great. Boston needs him to be a 20/10 player though which he can't be. Pierce can still be the #2 guy on a championship team and Ray is perfect on a team like the Grizzlies who have scoring near the basket in Randolph/Gay and could use a shooter

I'd gladly give up Boozer, Brewer, Korver and Rip for KG and Allen

Sportfan
01-15-2012, 11:41 AM
I'd gladly give up Boozer, Brewer, Korver and Rip for KG and Allen

How does that help Boston? All that does is add 29 million to next year's cap. Korver is trash, Rip is washed up, I like Boozer but his value is so low it would be pointless to trade our expirings for him, Brewer is nice too but not nearly enough to trade KG and Allen.


Switch Booz to Deng and Korver to a big though and I'd do it no doubt

JordansBulls
01-15-2012, 07:09 PM
How does that help Boston? All that does is add 29 million to next year's cap. Korver is trash, Rip is washed up, I like Boozer but his value is so low it would be pointless to trade our expirings for him, Brewer is nice too but not nearly enough to trade KG and Allen.


Switch Booz to Deng and Korver to a big though and I'd do it no doubt

Why would the Bulls trade a 25 year old Deng for guys 33+ years of age?

Corey
01-15-2012, 07:49 PM
Why would the Celtics trade expiring contracts for one of the worst contracts around?

I can do that too.

thekmp211
01-15-2012, 08:25 PM
i dont see kg and noah playing together anytime soon.

THE MTL
01-15-2012, 08:44 PM
Paul Pierce should retire a Celtic. He's been with the team his entire career and shouldnt be done dirty like that.

I honestly think Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett should retire on the Celtics too, but I understand that basketball is a business as well.

Btw, Ray Allen has been playing amazing so far and has been the best or 2nd best on the team.

Bos_Sports4Life
01-15-2012, 08:48 PM
They have no run.

Allen and KG are both done at the end of the year. KG should retire, Allen might sign a deal for 2-3 years for cheapish money to pull a team to a title.

Pierce has 3 more years at high money.


KG would stil be a help too ANY team..

KG off the bench for 23 min/game? im sure a team like miami would LOVE that..

Question is, does kg wanna play even further past his original prime

MTL_123
01-15-2012, 09:14 PM
KG would stil be a help too ANY team..

KG off the bench for 23 min/game? im sure a team like miami would LOVE that..

Question is, does kg wanna play even further past his original prime

YES they would even tho i hate KG i would love to have him on miami

Sportfan
01-15-2012, 09:22 PM
if no one offers us anything of value for Ray/KG, i'd trade them to Miami to troll the league. **** you guys for not giving us the picks :pity:

JordansBulls
01-16-2012, 01:27 PM
KG would stil be a help too ANY team..

KG off the bench for 23 min/game? im sure a team like miami would LOVE that..

Question is, does kg wanna play even further past his original prime

KG would start in Chicago.