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House
01-08-2012, 01:11 PM
Starting a new thread as they get so blended together...

Marcus Trufant not returning to SEA???
http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahawks/2012/1/8/2691141/seahawks-free-agency-2012-marcus-trufant-not-expected-back

Schadie001
01-08-2012, 02:39 PM
Not a surprise. Injuries, salary and a need to sign a bunch of fa's pretty much spells doom for tru. Unless he is willing to take a big payout I don't see him back.

House
01-08-2012, 02:53 PM
What are the thoughts on Mario Williams (DE/OLB) from the Texans? I know he was on the IR due to a torn pectoral muscle, but he should generate A LOT of interest...

ztilzer31
01-08-2012, 02:57 PM
I'd still like to keep him. It's not like the Seahawks don't use ridiculous formations that have like 7 db's at once... Plus it would be nice to have a veteran. Only for a cheap contract, but yeah...

FWBrodie
01-08-2012, 04:32 PM
What are the thoughts on Mario Williams (DE/OLB) from the Texans? I know he was on the IR due to a torn pectoral muscle, but he should generate A LOT of interest...

Makes perfect sense for the Seahawks.

House
01-08-2012, 04:42 PM
Makes perfect sense for the Seahawks.

I think he'd fit here well

FWBrodie
01-08-2012, 05:05 PM
They have the money and cap space and I know for a fact Pete Carroll likes those freak athletes and wants more pass rush.

shen
01-08-2012, 05:18 PM
I would be ecstatic to get Mario Williams. He would fit nicely and instantly makes our pass rush better.

Tru should go, he is old, injury prone, slow, and not at all what Pete and company want on defense.

House
01-08-2012, 06:03 PM
They have the money and cap space and I know for a fact Pete Carroll likes those freak athletes and wants more pass rush.

Definitely agree. He's 26 so signing him to a 5-6 year deal would be about right...


I would be ecstatic to get Mario Williams. He would fit nicely and instantly makes our pass rush better.

Tru should go, he is old, injury prone, slow, and not at all what Pete and company want on defense.

I always knew Williams was big, but I didn't know he was 6'6", 283lbs...

I have always been a Trufant fan, but players can't play forever and ties need to be severed... Just like Hasselbeck

Seattle4Ever
01-08-2012, 06:13 PM
I would ****ing love, love, love Mario Williams.

House
01-08-2012, 06:16 PM
I would ****ing love, love, love Mario Williams.

The debate I am hearing is whether HOU Franchises Foster or Williams.

ztilzer31
01-08-2012, 06:19 PM
My first post was about Truf. Mario Williams is exactly what I would want. Resign Red, sign Clemons (small years), sign a QB, and sign Mario. Rest of the money for the draft! I've been reading that we have alot of money to spend in the offseason. Doesn't anyone know a legitimate number?

House
01-08-2012, 06:23 PM
My first post was about Truf. Mario Williams is exactly what I would want. Resign Red, sign Clemons (small years), sign a QB, and sign Mario. Rest of the money for the draft! I've been reading that we have alot of money to spend in the offseason. Doesn't anyone know a legitimate number?

We have Clemons for another year... No need to talk about him right now

ztilzer31
01-08-2012, 06:25 PM
I actually just read that we'll have about 35 million...

ztilzer31
01-08-2012, 06:25 PM
We have Clemons for another year... No need to talk about him right now

Yeah I keep forgetting....

House
01-08-2012, 06:26 PM
I actually just read that we'll have about 35 million...

Good source? With 18 UFAs coming off the books, I'd think we'd have more.


Yeah I keep forgetting....

No prob... He'll be 32 at the end of next season. We might be moving on at that point.

Seattle4Ever
01-08-2012, 06:34 PM
Someone will probably PAY Clemons even at age 32. More than likely, someone stupid.

House
01-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Someone will probably PAY Clemons even at age 32. More than likely, someone stupid.

I know... I'm not saying cut ties with him, but be cautious we don't have another Patrick Kerney situation...

ztilzer31
01-09-2012, 12:06 AM
It was an old article from November I can't find it now. It was about resigning Lynch. It said the cap this year was 120 million and we're sitting at 100 million, and some of that should carry over to the next season. It was a time's article so no it's not reliable lol.

ztilzer31
01-09-2012, 12:11 AM
This one says 70 but it's bleacher :(

ztilzer31
01-09-2012, 03:50 AM
For some reason it won't post the link FAIL. I've read a bunch of fanmade stuff that's saying we have around 70 million to work with. I guess we only ahve 36 million dolalrs in contracts.... No great sources though.

Like people have said we got a lot of contracts to sign. So it's not like that's all going to be money for free agency.

I just hope we do something crazy awesome this year in free agency!

hawks4life
01-09-2012, 09:16 AM
Does anyone know when Free Agency starts?

NateyB24
01-09-2012, 02:12 PM
Yea 32 is a bit old i fear he may go down the Patrick Kerney route but was Clemons always a starter? His body may not have the beating that Kerney's did.

House
01-09-2012, 09:47 PM
Does anyone know when Free Agency starts?

I believe the last week of Feb/first week of Mar.


Yea 32 is a bit old i fear he may go down the Patrick Kerney route but was Clemons always a starter? His body may not have the beating that Kerney's did.

I think he was a situational rush guy that has been pretty injury-free. Historical data is all we have to go by and 32 doesn't look to favor him.

shen
01-09-2012, 10:45 PM
These days you can't factor in age very much. It is about how much they have played and if has been injured/what type of injury. Clemons might be turning 30 something but as far as football goes he might as well be 26-28.

ztilzer31
01-10-2012, 01:04 AM
I completely disagree. Clemons topic is pointless though we have him next season. He could have 1 sack all next year and it would completely change the conversation.

House
01-10-2012, 02:32 AM
I completely disagree. Clemons topic is pointless though we have him next season. He could have 1 sack all next year and it would completely change the conversation.

Exactly... We'll chat about Clemons this time next year!

Baller1
01-10-2012, 01:04 PM
Mario Williams should be our #1 priority, in my opinion.

And if it's true that Houston is torn between franchising Foster or Williams, then they're ****ing delusional. Arian Foster is a ****ing monster, it's a no brainer for me.

ztilzer31
01-10-2012, 09:38 PM
Mario Williams should be our #1 priority, in my opinion.

And if it's true that Houston is torn between franchising Foster or Williams, then they're ****ing delusional. Arian Foster is a ****ing monster, it's a no brainer for me.

Houston believes that their blocking scheme is what makes their run game so good, and they definitely aren't completely wrong.

I completely agree with the signing of Mario, but isn't Osi a free agent next year as well? He already made it well known he wants to play for Seattle earlier in the season. Dare I say we sign him. Dare I say sign BOTH!

House
01-10-2012, 10:42 PM
Houston believes that their blocking scheme is what makes their run game so good, and they definitely aren't completely wrong.

I completely agree with the signing of Mario, but isn't Osi a free agent next year as well? He already made it well known he wants to play for Seattle earlier in the season. Dare I say we sign him. Dare I say sign BOTH!

Ben Tate has looked the part when Arian Foster has missed games. They'd be smarter if they signed Williams and then Franchised Arian. I ain't mad if Mario ends up a FA, but I don't know if it'll happen

FWBrodie
01-10-2012, 11:05 PM
Osi is flirting with too old and has injury issues now.

House
01-10-2012, 11:09 PM
Osi is flirting with too old and has injury issues now.

Agreed. Osi will be 32 and continues to go through NAGGING injuries

ztilzer31
01-10-2012, 11:43 PM
I'd still take him on a 2 year deal. Play him on only about half the downs. Switch with Clemons and come in during passing downs. He's still a freak of an athlete and causes turnovers like crazy. He always goes for the strip on QB's. He's the best in the league by far at taking the ball away from the QB IMO.

In 9 games he has 9 sacks. I'll take that for the right price.

ztilzer31
01-10-2012, 11:44 PM
Oh yeah and last year 10 FORCED FUMBLES. I still get a boner over that stat.

FWBrodie
01-11-2012, 12:21 AM
Osi as a Brock replacement would make sense, but I'm guessing his price would be a little high for that role. I guess it's not a terrible idea or a plan B.

House
01-11-2012, 12:55 AM
I like him, but he'll want too much. Osi's asking price will be up towards the $6-9M/yr mark. I don't know if you pay that for a situational pass rusher.

ztilzer31
01-11-2012, 01:30 AM
I would do 2 years 12 million for Osi in a heartbeat maybe even 3.

House
01-11-2012, 01:34 AM
I would do 2 years 12 million for Osi in a heartbeat maybe even 3.

That wouldn't be bad...

FWBrodie
01-11-2012, 02:31 AM
I'd much, much, MUCH, rather have Williams.

Caribou Lou
01-11-2012, 03:56 AM
Good source? With 18 UFAs coming off the books, I'd think we'd have more.

I came up with a number similar to ztilzer31:

As I understand it, under the new CBA teams can add unused cap from the previous year.

According to NFL.com's most updated cap (which was prior to week 1 so I'm sure we've added a small amount to this total) we were under the cap by $18,309,368.

According to the aforementioned rule that should put us around $36.6M under.

Add salary increases of around $19.1M (according to spotrac.com) and subtract 23 free agents (including Brandon Browner who never seems to be listed) to a tune of $20.3M and we have cap space of around $37.8M.

Caribou Lou
01-11-2012, 04:03 AM
And since we're on the topic of Williams...

Using the same calculations, the Texans should be around $28.7M. Keeping both Foster and Williams would eat up around 2/3's of their cap. Here's to hoping they're in love with Arian Foster.

House
01-11-2012, 04:49 PM
And since we're on the topic of Williams...

Using the same calculations, the Texans should be around $28.7M. Keeping both Foster and Williams would eat up around 2/3's of their cap. Here's to hoping they're in love with Arian Foster.

I just read something in regards to the FRANCHISE tag for a RB. The number would be like $7.4M this year.

ztilzer31
01-11-2012, 04:54 PM
I'd much, much, MUCH, rather have Williams.

Me too. He fills a bigger need for us... More 2 needs instead of one. If we got Flynn, Osi, and/or Williams we'd have a very solid offseason.

ztilzer31
01-11-2012, 04:59 PM
Mario to me is a long shong shot unless we overpay. I love Mario, but I don't want to overpay him... You never know though alot of defenses players love the idea of playin in Seattle.

NateyB24
01-11-2012, 05:11 PM
I wouldn't mind gambling on Osi if the price is right 2 years sounds about right.

Doesn't he have 1 more year left with the Giants though? Think he will be 32 at that point id say no.

Caribou Lou
01-11-2012, 09:37 PM
Franchise Tag $'s according to Football Outsiders:

Under the new collective bargaining agreement, the formula for determining the amount of the franchise and transition tags has changed. Instead of taking the average of the top-5 salary cap numbers from the previous season at each position -- top-10 for the transition tag -- the franchise and transition tag numbers will now be a percentage of the salary cap. To determine the percentage, the amounts of the franchise and transition tags at each position from the previous five seasons will be added up and divided by the sum of the salary caps from the previous five seasons (for the uncapped 2010 season, the league will take the average of the 2009 and 2011 salary caps). The resulting percentage will be multiplied by the salary cap from the upcoming season to determine the non-exclusive franchise tag and transition tag amounts. (The exclusive franchise tag will be the greater of the franchise tag under the new calculation or the average of the largest five salaries at that position at the end of the restricted free agent period.)

They project the ranges as follows in the millions:

QB $14.374-$14.926
RB $7.778-$8.088
WR $9.443-$9.806
TE $5.416-$5.624
OL $9.447-$9.81
P/K $2.665-$2.768

DT $7.89-$8.193
DE $10.595-$11.002
LB $8.843-$9.183
CB $10.431-$10.832
S $6.22-$6.459

furmat60
01-11-2012, 10:18 PM
^ Haha! No WAY does GB franchise Flynn.

House
01-11-2012, 10:40 PM
Franchise Tag $'s according to Football Outsiders:

Under the new collective bargaining agreement, the formula for determining the amount of the franchise and transition tags has changed. Instead of taking the average of the top-5 salary cap numbers from the previous season at each position -- top-10 for the transition tag -- the franchise and transition tag numbers will now be a percentage of the salary cap. To determine the percentage, the amounts of the franchise and transition tags at each position from the previous five seasons will be added up and divided by the sum of the salary caps from the previous five seasons (for the uncapped 2010 season, the league will take the average of the 2009 and 2011 salary caps). The resulting percentage will be multiplied by the salary cap from the upcoming season to determine the non-exclusive franchise tag and transition tag amounts. (The exclusive franchise tag will be the greater of the franchise tag under the new calculation or the average of the largest five salaries at that position at the end of the restricted free agent period.)

They project the ranges as follows in the millions:

QB $14.374-$14.926
RB $7.778-$8.088
WR $9.443-$9.806
TE $5.416-$5.624
OL $9.447-$9.81
P/K $2.665-$2.768

DT $7.89-$8.193
DE $10.595-$11.002
LB $8.843-$9.183
CB $10.431-$10.832
S $6.22-$6.459

Thanks for posting this... I went back and found that article on franchising Lynch and it said about $7.9M, not $7.4M.


^ Haha! No WAY does GB franchise Flynn.

Considering Rodgers makes just around $9, it wouldn't be a good look, especially if he refused trades...

FWBrodie
01-12-2012, 01:59 AM
Mario Williams has all-pro upside... perennial.

House
01-14-2012, 03:11 AM
Seahawks sign RB Taua to future contract

http://www.ksby.com/mobile/news/seahawks-sign-lompoc-native-vai-taua-for-upcoming-season

Hawksfan2010
01-15-2012, 09:21 PM
The debate I am hearing is whether HOU Franchises Foster or Williams.

I saw on Twitter that if Houston franchises Williams it will cost them somewhere between 19-22 mil. Not sure where that number came from

House
01-15-2012, 11:07 PM
I saw on Twitter that if Houston franchises Williams it will cost them somewhere between 19-22 mil. Not sure where that number came from

I was talking to some HOU fans and they were telling me that Foster is a RFA and is under contract for another year.

They also told me that if Williams was franchised, he would put them over the cap.

Thebudler
01-16-2012, 02:47 PM
Williams is worth every $$ he gets. He is a freak talent who would look amazing in a Seahawk uniform! I don't see it happening though. They may have to franchise him and cut some people to stay under the cap, but my guess is he will be wearing a Texans uniform next year.

ztilzer31
01-16-2012, 03:35 PM
Well I feel like Osi's stock just soared through the roof. He's so worth it even if he only plays 10 games though. He has as many sack as he has game, and caused Rodger's only fumble of the whole season!

I want Osi, but my second team is also the Giants so I'm a little bias. The argument that he gets injured too much doesn't work for me when most of this forum likes Mario WIlliams.

I was on Mario's boat tell I did a little research. He's gotten injured the last 2 season, and has been decling ever since his 3rd season. Even though Osi has been injured he's came back the same player everytime. Mario is not worth it unless he comes very cheap.

ztilzer31
01-16-2012, 03:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9587/mario-williams
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4514/osi-umenyiora

The stats make the comparison a joke and I don't want Mario unless he comes cheap... Super cheap.

ztilzer31
01-16-2012, 03:39 PM
In fairness to Mario he has as many sacks as games this year too but he's been injured in 2 straight season. The fact that Osi gets turnovers puts his stock about double then Mario IMO.

NateyB24
01-16-2012, 03:48 PM
Wow UW just lured Tosh Lupoi over to UW to help recruit never thought this would happen he has always been a Cal Bear this is great.

House
01-16-2012, 05:05 PM
Williams is worth every $$ he gets. He is a freak talent who would look amazing in a Seahawk uniform! I don't see it happening though. They may have to franchise him and cut some people to stay under the cap, but my guess is he will be wearing a Texans uniform next year.

The word I am getting from a lot of HOU fans is the team's #1 priority is keeping Arian Foster. He is a RFA and there are a couple teams that would give up a 1st and 3rd rd picks for him (CLE and CIN). They will either Franchise him as they are currently trying to work a deal.

With the emergence of Brook Reed and Connor Barwin, Williams wasn't missed this season. The price to keep Williams in HOU (unless he took a HUGE paycut) would be in the $7-10M window. They don't have that kind of money for him.


In fairness to Mario he has as many sacks as games this year too but he's been injured in 2 straight season. The fact that Osi gets turnovers puts his stock about double then Mario IMO.

Mario has also gone through 3 different schemes in the past 4 years. If you look at the DEF as a whole, they have greatly improved across the board. Williams took a lot of double teams which opened things up for his teammates. Had Mario not been put on IR this year, he could've/would've played in Week 15.

I don't dispute Osi is a MONSTER, but he's got another year in NYG, he'll be 32 and has publicly been a nuisance at times.

wissportsfan
01-17-2012, 03:38 AM
I saw on Twitter that if Houston franchises Williams it will cost them somewhere between 19-22 mil. Not sure where that number came from

Mario was paid like 15M last year and it's a percentage (I want to say 25%) of their previous salary. If that number is higher than the tag number than that's number he'll be tagged at. I think that's why it's around 19M if they tag him.

Regardless, I think Mario would look good in a Seattle uniform. So would Flynn :D

Blazers#1Fan
01-17-2012, 06:57 AM
Free Agents i want List Mario Williams,Stevie Johnson,Desean Jackson,Peyton Hillis,Matt Flynn,Cortland Finnegan ,Cliff Avril,Dwayne Bowe,Carl Nicks,Alex Smith,Le'Ron McClain,Jason Campbell,Matt Forte,

will finish tomorrow to tired

ztilzer31
01-17-2012, 03:55 PM
My list is much shorter.

1. Matt Flynn
2. Carl Nicks
3. Osi
4. Mario Williams

No way we sign all 4 of these guys as they're all considered top players at there positon.

I realize Osi isn't a free agent but he's scheduled to not make very much (it was 8 million over the next 2 years). He wants more money and I don't blame him at all. Remember this guy beat walter jones for sacks TWICE in his career. That alone tells you something.

I don't know what NY's options are, but Osi will holdout if he doesn't get a new contract I'm guessing.

Blazers#1Fan
01-17-2012, 08:34 PM
Free Agents i want List Mario Williams,Stevie Johnson,Desean Jackson,Peyton Hillis,Matt Flynn,Cortland Finnegan ,Cliff Avril,Dwayne Bowe,Carl Nicks,Alex Smith,Le'Ron McClain,Jason Campbell,Matt Forte,

will finish tomorrow to tired

players i would like to have not all just a few some will get resigned by there teams some wont

furmat60
01-17-2012, 10:53 PM
I DO NOT want Cortland Finnegan. He's a ****ing punk, and a loud mouth piece of ****.

Blazers#1Fan
01-18-2012, 02:00 AM
I DO NOT want Cortland Finnegan. He's a ****ing punk, and a loud mouth piece of ****.

i like cortland finnegan he's a @s$ but i think he's a really good corner its football i dont think there should be many nice guys on defense i want Suh,J.Harrison,Ray Lewis type of defensive players make QB's and WR and RB's scared to go up against us

we dont really have it now but i would like to have a scarier D

getting players mad and flustered makes them make mistakes

shen
01-18-2012, 05:15 AM
Cortland does not scare anyone though, he just makes them want to beat the **** out of him.

For the record I would kill to have a Ray Lewis or Suh, even someone just mildly similar. Though not Harrison, he is a thug that sooner belongs behind bars then on a football field. He has done enough to get thrown out of game many times yet always gets overlooked then *****es because he looses less money then he has in his couch.

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-18-2012, 01:30 PM
free agents targets should be : QB Matt Flynn/ QB Brian Hoyer, DE Mario Williams, DE Cliff Avril, and OG Carl Nicks. depth at WR, LB and RB can be addresed thru the draft

Caribou Lou
01-18-2012, 04:29 PM
My priorities:
1. Re-sign Red Bryant
2. Sign Mario Williams
3. Re-sign Marshawn Lynch
4. Throw $ at Flynn and hope we strike it rich
5. Go after Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs. If neither re-sign Geocomini for OL depth.
6. Re-sign Hawthorne/Hill or address via Draft
7. Check the market on Vincent Jackson and Dwayne Bowe. If too much $ address via draft.
8. Re-sign Baldwin, Browner, McCoy and Robinson(if we can't find a real FB)

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-18-2012, 06:56 PM
Offseason wish list:
#1) resign Marshawn Lynch/ David Hawthorne/ Red Bryant
#2) sign QB Matt Flynn
#3) sign DE Mario Williams and/or DE Clifford Avril
#4) sign CB Terrell Thomas or CB Brandon Carr
#5)try and sign OG Carl Nicks, but more likely sign OG Ben Grubbs
#6) look into market value of guys like RB Mike Tolbert, WR Steve Johnson, WR Dwayne Bowe
#6) trade/restructure/release CB Marcus Trufant, OG Robert Gallery, WR Ben Obomanu/Mike Williams
#6) resign John Carlson, Steven Hauschka, Breno Giacomini, Paul McQuisitan, Anthony Hargrove, David Vobora. sign 2nd tier free agents.

DRAFT:
#11 TRADE- with cincinati Bengals (who want to move up and get Trent Richardson) SEA gets #21, #53, #116, 7th round pick. CIN gets #11 and future 5th round pick.
#21- DE Whitney Mercilus ILLINOIS/DE Nick Perry USC
#43- OLB Zach Brown UNC
#53- RB Lamar Miller MIAMI
#76- DE Andre Branch CLEMSON
#106- WR Marvin McNutt IOWA
#116- ILB Kevin Reddick UNC
5th round- WR Juron Criner ARIZONA
6th round- RB/FB Terrence Ganaway BAYLOR
7th round- QB Chandler Harnish NIU
7th round- CB/PR Cliff Harris OREGON
7th round- DT Dajohn Harris USC

Blazers#1Fan
01-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Cortland does not scare anyone though, he just makes them want to beat the **** out of him.

For the record I would kill to have a Ray Lewis or Suh, even someone just mildly similar. Though not Harrison, he is a thug that sooner belongs behind bars then on a football field. He has done enough to get thrown out of game many times yet always gets overlooked then *****es because he looses less money then he has in his couch.

he doesnt scare anyone i agree with that but he gets there head out the game and more pissed off wanting to kill him he is a good CB though i dont care if there mouths big aslong as they back it up which he does

i would also like to pickup Eric Coleman to help on Safety Depth if they brought trufant back(cheap) they could be very good teamed up together Rose Bowl i think 04 coleman was a beast and year prior those two had a good team up low risk high reward wont cost much but would help at depth backing are starters

i want are defense like the ravens make everybody scared i think Earl Thomas is already Ed Reed jr

Stevie Johnson,Desean Jackson,Vjax i want one of the 3 i want stevie johnson and sidney rice paired up 2 big semi fast jump and grab the ball WR's and BMW in the slot(i know He's not fast but he's Big) 3 big wr's who can jump and catch cant really be stopped

Sign M.Williams Resign Clemons i would like to get john abraham for a Cheap year

alot of players i would like to get but probably wont get even 1/4 of them

House
01-18-2012, 11:09 PM
My priorities:
1. Re-sign Red Bryant
2. Sign Mario Williams
3. Re-sign Marshawn Lynch
4. Throw $ at Flynn and hope we strike it rich
5. Go after Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs. If neither re-sign Geocomini for OL depth.
6. Re-sign Hawthorne/Hill or address via Draft
7. Check the market on Vincent Jackson and Dwayne Bowe. If too much $ address via draft.
8. Re-sign Baldwin, Browner, McCoy and Robinson(if we can't find a real FB)

1-5. I love 1-4. I think if we hit 1-4, we should draft David DeCastro (eliminates need for #5).

6. Hawthorne should be back and if Hill sticks around, I wouldn't be upset, he's played well this year.

7. V-Jax will be in the $8-11M/yr market. Paying Rice/Miller that much already almost knocks him out of the running altogether. After a DOWN-year, I'm sure Bowe could come at a MUCH cheaper price.

8. Baldwin will return and Browner is under contract until 2013. McCoy (I'm assuming Matt) would be a great re-sign to bolster our ST. We looked like **** without him this year. Robinson looked good at times and I see him coming back UNLESS we see a drastic upgrade at the FB position.

FWBrodie
01-19-2012, 02:19 AM
Offseason wish list:
#1) resign Marshawn Lynch/ David Hawthorne/ Red Bryant
#2) sign QB Matt Flynn
#3) sign DE Mario Williams and/or DE Clifford Avril
#4) sign CB Terrell Thomas or CB Brandon Carr
#5)try and sign OG Carl Nicks, but more likely sign OG Ben Grubbs
#6) look into market value of guys like RB Mike Tolbert, WR Steve Johnson
#6) trade/restructure/release CB Marcus Trufant, OG Robert Gallery, WR Ben Obomanu/Mike Williams
#6) resign John Carlson, Steven Hauschka, Breno Giacomini, Paul McQuisitan, Anthony Hargrove, David Vobora. sign 2nd tier free agents.

Mike Tolbert. Now that's an idea. There's your third down back and fullback rolled into one, and he can carry the load in case of injury.

House
01-19-2012, 02:36 AM
Mike Tolbert. Now that's an idea. There's your third down back and fullback rolled into one, and he can carry the load in case of injury.

I agree. Tolbert has had some injury issues when he has played the lead back. Won't be an issue here though...

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-19-2012, 12:35 PM
if the seahawks have around 45 million in cap room, they have enough money to splurge or free agency if they want to and still be able to sign their rookies thanks to the NFL rookie pay scale.

Since dwayne Bowe is coming off a down year, he could probably be had for around 4.5-5 million a year. he is a very underrated reciever, but will be 28 at the start of next year. a guy i think the seahawks will look at is Steve Johnson. talent wize he is one of the best WR's in the game, but he has suffered with poor judgement off the feild and some drops. hes a big play reciever with 2 straight 1000 yeard seasons, and could be had for probabaly around 3.5 million a year. hes only 25 and at 6-2 would be a good fit for the 'hawks

Thebudler
01-19-2012, 03:14 PM
I don't see WR as an immediate need. I like our depth at WR. Stevie Johnson isn't as good as he will get paid. He had drops in key situations. Bowe is solid, but after paying a lot of $$ for Rice, I don't think it would be wise to throw big $$ at another free agent WR.

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-19-2012, 04:05 PM
i agree, and i think if the seahawks see WR as a need, they can adress it in the later rounds of the draft, there is many good WR's in the draft this year

FWBrodie
01-20-2012, 11:23 PM
if the seahawks have around 45 million in cap room, they have enough money to splurge or free agency if they want to and still be able to sign their rookies thanks to the NFL rookie pay scale.

Since dwayne Bowe is coming off a down year, he could probably be had for around 4.5-5 million a year. he is a very underrated reciever, but will be 28 at the start of next year. a guy i think the seahawks will look at is Steve Johnson. talent wize he is one of the best WR's in the game, but he has suffered with poor judgement off the feild and some drops. hes a big play reciever with 2 straight 1000 yeard seasons, and could be had for probabaly around 3.5 million a year. hes only 25 and at 6-2 would be a good fit for the 'hawks

I think you're vastly under pricing these guys. Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe are genuine #1 wideouts. They'll be paid accordingly. Breaston got 5/25 last season and he's nowhere close to these two. Sid Rice got 5/41. Expect Bowe and Johnson to be closer to that # than Breaston's.

FWBrodie
01-20-2012, 11:36 PM
I don't see WR as an immediate need. I like our depth at WR. Stevie Johnson isn't as good as he will get paid. He had drops in key situations. Bowe is solid, but after paying a lot of $$ for Rice, I don't think it would be wise to throw big $$ at another free agent WR.

I see #2 WR as a big need. BMW was awful this season and is a free agent. The on roster alternatives are Obo and Tate (lame). I think the team will go find an upgrade at the position.

shen
01-21-2012, 02:03 AM
BMW is not a free agent. He signed the extension at the end of last season. I thought was something like 3 years.

House
01-21-2012, 02:44 AM
BMW is not a free agent. He signed the extension at the end of last season. I thought was something like 3 years.

BMW is signed for another 2 years, but he could be a casualty of being cut.

FWBrodie
01-21-2012, 03:38 AM
Shame on myself for misinforming.

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-21-2012, 04:54 AM
That's what I had In mind. BMW got a 3 year extension, but hardly any of it was guaranteed. Carroll said he wanted another "touchdown maker" at WR, and that could be addressed by signing Stevie Johnson (who will not command as much money as you might think, as he has had attitude problems and inconsistency at times, but is more of a big play threat and would come cheaper than Bowe) to something in the 5-6 mil a year area. And/or it could be addressed in the draft. Rice is a starter and Baldwin is the slot guy, and Tate, Durham and Lockette have shown stuff and have potential, but who really knows with those guys.

FWBrodie
01-21-2012, 12:51 PM
I think if the Seahawks plan on competing for the division in 2012 (and I fully believe that is their intention), I don't think going into the season with Tate, Obo, etc at #2 WR is a risk they can take.

As far as Johnson's attitude is concerned, I'd say it's a non-factor. The Hawks were prepared to throw $50 mil at Mr. double DUI, Vincent Jackson, and Stevie isn't that kind of problem. I'm telling you, these guys won't be cheap. However, the fact that there are several top WR options on the market this year and a few really high quality guys in the draft could thin the market out a bit or at least make it easier to lock onto the guy they want.

hawks4life
01-21-2012, 01:43 PM
I thought Tate really stepped up after Rice and Williams got injured. Also, we still have Baldwin and Butler, as well. I think a #2 RB is more important. Michael Robinson had a good year. Also, could use a DT and a LB on Defense.

FWBrodie
01-21-2012, 01:54 PM
Stepped up, sure. Established himself as a quality starter, not even close. Baldwin's your slot, Butler is not a starter, more of a specialist. RB is also a big one though. Forsett is garbage.

hawks4life
01-21-2012, 03:05 PM
I agree about Forsett. He seems pretty fast and has great work ethic but can't seems to find the holes (giggity), and seems to get knocked down quite easily.

FWBrodie
01-21-2012, 03:10 PM
giggity LOL

Caribou Lou
01-21-2012, 03:41 PM
Tate has some similar tools to a guy like Steve Smith (CAR) but I just don't seem him having the ability to be a legit #1/2 guy. He's a great athlete (not Santana Moss but still) but I just don't think he's a good football player. You know what I mean?

Steve Largent: Horrible athlete. Great football player.
Matt Jones: Great athlete. Not so great football player. (Some might argue a Seahawk option here could be Brian Bosworth but I figured I'd give "the Boz" a break.)

House
01-21-2012, 03:47 PM
Tate has some similar tools to a guy like Steve Smith (CAR) but I just don't seem him having the ability to be a legit #1/2 guy. He's a great athlete (not Santana Moss but still) but I just don't think he's a good football player. You know what I mean?

Steve Largent: Horrible athlete. Great football player.
Matt Jones: Great athlete. Not so great football player. (Some might argue a Seahawk option here could be Brian Bosworth but I figured I'd give "the Boz" a break.)

Tate needs to be our return specialist/#4 in a mismatch where he can burn a LB something. He frustrates the hell out of me. He has shown flashes then completely disappears.

I have been watching some video on Osweiler and Gerell Robinson (6'4", 228lbs) seems to bail him out of some bad spots. What do you think about a late rd flyer on him? He's projected to go in the 6th rd

FWBrodie
01-21-2012, 04:12 PM
The bottom of the WR depth chart is pretty full, but as PC/JS have shown us there's always room for an upgrade.

Caribou Lou
01-21-2012, 04:28 PM
Not bad idea if there aren't any glaring spots to add depth to by the time we hit round 5 or 6. Could be a DJ Hackett type guy.

House
01-21-2012, 05:08 PM
Not bad idea if there aren't any glaring spots to add depth to by the time we hit round 5 or 6. Could be a DJ Hackett type guy.

Good comparison. Hackett wasn't a bad WR. He wasn't a #2, but he wasn't a bad option with size.

I wonder how Kris Durham will pan out. He was brought in as BMW insurance and he's got good size/speed. Like Brodie said, Tate, Obo, Lockette and I'll even say Durham being the #2 isn't that great. We have good depth, but a SOLID #2 is missing

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-21-2012, 07:50 PM
what WR do you think the seahawks would be looking at, be it through free agency or thru the draft? i think the seahawks main free agency focus should be DE, QB, and then CB and WR. LB, DE, RB, and WR could also be adressed through the draft

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-21-2012, 08:13 PM
Updated 2011 mock draft (if no trades, but I think the seahawks will definately trade down from the #11 spot, and assuming they sign QB, DE's, WR, CB in free agency)

#11-RB Trent Richardson ALABAMA (BPA- him and marshaswn lynch is instantly the best RB combo in the NFL)
#43-OLB Zach Brown UNC (best pure OLB in the draft)
#76- DE Andre Branch CLEMSON (speed pass rusher to compliment clemons)
#106- WR Marvin McNutt IOWA (most underrated WR in this draft class- has good size, speed and great hands)
round 5- ILB Kevin Reddick UNC (ILB depth, insurance incase hawthorne is injured)
round 6 (comp)- DE Emmanuel Acho TEXAS(another good pass rusher, can also play OLB)
round 7- QB Chandler Harnish NIU (steal at this point, falls this low because he played at a smaller university)
round 7 (FROM OAK)- DT Dajohn Harris USC (DT depth)

FWBrodie
01-21-2012, 10:30 PM
what WR do you think the seahawks would be looking at, be it through free agency or thru the draft? i think the seahawks main free agency focus should be DE, QB, and then CB and WR. LB, DE, RB, and WR could also be adressed through the draft

I DONT think it'll be Stevie Johnson.

Pete/John seem to like a physical advantage, that leaves Desean Jackson (speed) and Dwayne Bowe (power). I think they'll be balls deep in one of em.

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-21-2012, 10:34 PM
But at 6', Jackson seems to be shorter than the type of reciever Carroll favors. another reason I was thinking Johnson (Or Jackson) was the fact that they are both 2 years Bowes junior (hes 27).

also, what compensatory picks (if any) could the seahawks get?

House
01-22-2012, 04:26 AM
My Seahawks Mock:

SEA1. Traded to CIN (They select Trent Richardson) for CIN1, CIN2 and 2013 CIN3
CIN1. Whitney Mercilus (DE, Illinois)
SEA2. Brock Osweiler (QB, Arizona St)
CIN2. Travis Lewis (LB, Oklahoma
SEA3. Nate Potter (OT, Boise St)
SEA4. Dan "Boom" Herron (RB, Ohio St)
SEA5. Kheeston Randall (DT, Texas)
SEA7. Tysyn Hartman (CB, Kansas St)
OAK7. Chris Galippo (LB, USC)

blackjack_119
01-22-2012, 05:39 AM
Updated 2011 mock draft (if no trades, but I think the seahawks will definately trade down from the #11 spot, and assuming they sign QB, DE's, WR, CB in free agency)

#11-RB Trent Richardson ALABAMA (BPA- him and marshaswn lynch is instantly the best RB combo in the NFL)
#43-OLB Zach Brown UNC (best pure OLB in the draft)
#76- DE Andre Branch CLEMSON (speed pass rusher to compliment clemons)
#106- WR Marvin McNutt IOWA (most underrated WR in this draft class- has good size, speed and great hands)
round 5- ILB Kevin Reddick UNC (ILB depth, insurance incase hawthorne is injured)
round 6 (comp)- DE Emmanuel Acho TEXAS(another good pass rusher, can also play OLB)
round 7- QB Chandler Harnish NIU (steal at this point, falls this low because he played at a smaller university)
round 7 (FROM OAK)- DT Dajohn Harris USC (DT depth)

Richardson will be a top 10 pick. Zach Brown and Andre Branch are both considered mid to late first round picks.

Thebudler
01-23-2012, 12:12 PM
My picks for the Hawks. This is assuming they sign Matt Flynn (I know it is a big assumption).

1- DE Nick Perry USC 6'3" 250lbs. Quick first step. Would be a great Leo DE.
2- OLB Bruce Irvin West Virginia- 6'2" 245lbs.Runs a 4.52 fourty and gets to the QB. Great insurance if you don't resign Leroy Hill.
3- WR Nick Toon Wisconsin- 6'2 220LBS- Great hands and great route runner.
4- RB Terrance Ganaway Baylor 5'11" 240LBS- great back who has great quickness and hits the hole very hard.
5- G- Lucas Nix Pitt-6'5" 310LBS- Great athlete and a mauler type blocker. Tom Cable will like to add depth at G.
6- DE/DT Derek Wolfe Cinci-6'5" 300LBS- Could be Big Red's backup at DE or play a 3 technique.
7- TE Kavario Middelton Montana 6'5" 248LBS- A ton of talent that Pete Caroll recruited hard. Great risk/ reward with this pick. Have someone get to him and get him right mentally and he could be a great athletic TE.
7- SS Eddie Pleasant Oregon 5'10" 210LBS- Will add good depth at the safety position.

NateyB24
01-23-2012, 03:28 PM
Those were 2 great games yesterday.

ztilzer31
01-24-2012, 01:16 AM
Whitney Mercillius is who I want us to get too House I've been lookin stuff up on him for the last week or so. That being said I suck at picking players in the draft unless they're QB's (don't count Cam Newton lol)

furmat60
01-24-2012, 01:23 AM
Just got a text from Q13 Hawks alert. Brandon Browner and Kam Chancellor have been added to the pro-bowl roster!

House
01-24-2012, 01:25 AM
Whitney Mercillius is who I want us to get too House I've been lookin stuff up on him for the last week or so. That being said I suck at picking players in the draft unless they're QB's (don't count Cam Newton lol)

I'm torn between Whitney Mercilus and Nick Perry. Mercilus leads by example and makes others around him better. Perry is a BEAST and is drawing comparisons to Jared Allen.

NateyB24
01-26-2012, 03:00 PM
Heard on NFL Network that Payton wouldn't mind playing in Seattle should we make a run at him?

With this defense and Payton i could see us going to the SB that is if he takes the physical and passes it.

FWBrodie
01-26-2012, 03:45 PM
Peyton*

seahawks509
01-26-2012, 04:54 PM
Heard on NFL Network that Payton wouldn't mind playing in Seattle should we make a run at him?

With this defense and Payton i could see us going to the SB that is if he takes the physical and passes it.

Im not sure if I would go after Manning. Just not sure he fits our offense, and I know that our O-line is getting better, but I'd rather have someone mobile like Jackson.

FWBrodie
01-26-2012, 08:34 PM
Golden Tate had the lowest drop rate in the NFL this season. He caught 35 of 35 catchable balls thrown his way.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/

Others obviously had more opportunities (Dez Bryant caught 63 of 64 and Colston caught 80 of 82), but Tate was the only one to remain perfect all season.

ccg34
01-27-2012, 12:38 AM
Im not sure if I would go after Manning. Just not sure he fits our offense, and I know that our O-line is getting better, but I'd rather have someone mobile like Jackson.

:speechless: T Jack over Manning! If he is proven healthy and he restructures his contract I may be willing to trade our 1st round pick for him. Peyton Manning would put us over the top.

I would rather compete for superbowls for the next 3-4 years and develop a qb under Peyton Manning. He is the smartest player in the game. He is the best qb in the league when healthy.

Caribou Lou
01-27-2012, 06:14 PM
Peyton*

Haha for second I thought Gary was about to come out of retirement and strap up.

furmat60
01-27-2012, 06:28 PM
:speechless: T Jack over Manning! If he is proven healthy and he restructures his contract I may be willing to trade our 1st round pick for him. Peyton Manning would put us over the top.

I would rather compete for superbowls for the next 3-4 years and develop a qb under Peyton Manning. He is the smartest player in the game. He is the best qb in the league when healthy.

I actually agree with you. Having Osweiler under Peyton for a few years would be sick.

Seattle4Ever
01-27-2012, 10:58 PM
Golden Tate had the lowest drop rate in the NFL this season. He caught 35 of 35 catchable balls thrown his way.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/17/drop-rate-2011-which-receivers-are-dropping-the-ball/

Others obviously had more opportunities (Dez Bryant caught 63 of 64 and Colston caught 80 of 82), but Tate was the only one to remain perfect all season.

I took a screenshot of that on Twitter and was going to rub it in the faces of all of the Tate haters, but I haven't been on the Seahawks forum for at least a couple weeks.

Caribou Lou
01-28-2012, 01:37 AM
^ I hate him. He's athletic as ****....but I still hate him. lol

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2012, 02:09 AM
He's making improvements. I like him.

FWBrodie
01-28-2012, 05:11 PM
I love him. He had some major growing up to do, but you can see it happening.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2012, 05:50 PM
The lockout certainly didn't help.

Of players currently on our team, I see him breaking out.

furmat60
01-28-2012, 06:44 PM
I love him. He had some major growing up to do, but you can see it happening.

Yeah, I completely agree. Baldwin and Tate were our go to guys this year. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Tate win a spot on the top 10 plays of the year with his awesome TD grab?

I'm looking forward to him stepping up big this coming season. I think he's going to have a hell of a year.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2012, 06:54 PM
I wish all of our receivers had sticky hands and a dirty stiff arm like Red Bryant ;)

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-28-2012, 07:25 PM
watching some of the senior bowl, QBs kirk cousins and russell wilson impressed me, as did WR juron Criner, RB Isaiah Pead, DE Quinten Coples, and CB Casey Hayward

FWBrodie
01-28-2012, 08:36 PM
The Seahawks like Cousins.

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-28-2012, 08:58 PM
Cousins would be a great pick in rounds 3-4, him or Tannehill

FWBrodie
01-28-2012, 09:15 PM
Cousins did play as that PG QB that Carroll loves talking about and would probably be ready to play very soon.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2012, 09:45 PM
I like him.

Hawk Deez Natz
01-29-2012, 12:09 AM
Cousins did look pretty good. I think Coples looked really good. Consistently beat his man.

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-29-2012, 01:53 AM
UPDATED NFL MOCK DRAFT (after senior bowl)
#1: RB Trent Richardson ALABAMA (lynch and richardson- best 1-2 punch in NFL)
#2: OLB Zach Brown UNC (very good OLB, stock has been slipping recently)
#3: DE Andre Branch CLEMSON (very good rush DE)
#4: QB Kirk Cousins MICHIGAN STATE (really liked what I saw in the senior bowl, reminds me alot of andy dalton)
#5: ILB Kelvin Reddick UNC (MLB depth)
#6: DE or OLB Emmanuel Acho TEXAS (another good pass rushing DE)
#7: CB Donnie Fletcher BOSTON COLLEGE (good voer corner with height)
#7: RB WR PR Chris Rainey FLORIDA (can replace the aging Leon Washington, very good change of pace back and kick returner)

Im also assuming that the seahawks will adress DE, CB, WR, and QB in free agency

furmat60
01-29-2012, 08:22 PM
You guys see our new gloves?

http://seattlesportscentral.com/featured/seattle-seahawks-new-2012-nike-vapor-jet-gloves/

House
01-29-2012, 08:46 PM
You guys see our new gloves?

http://seattlesportscentral.com/featured/seattle-seahawks-new-2012-nike-vapor-jet-gloves/

I'm buying a few pairs!!!

steelie
01-30-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm buying a few pairs!!!

Those gloves look hot! I think I might get a pair for drift fishing for steelhead up here in the Great White North!

furmat60
01-30-2012, 08:46 PM
I'm buying a pair just because!

ThUnDeR HaWk
02-01-2012, 10:47 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1043309-2012-nfl-mock-draft-full-7-round-seattle-seahawks-predictions#/articles/1043309-2012-nfl-mock-draft-full-7-round-seattle-seahawks-predictions/page/2

i know its bleacher report , but it is a pretty good mock draft, although id rather go DE in round 1 and LB round 2

furmat60
02-01-2012, 11:46 PM
That's actually not that bad of a mock draft.

Seattle4Ever
02-01-2012, 11:50 PM
The defensive side of the ball is thin in this draft, so it'd make sense to address it in the first two rounds.

I ****ing love Burfict, and if we got Cousins that would be amazing.

House
02-02-2012, 12:14 AM
Not to be a dick, but that mock shows us drafting in the 6th rd. We don't have a 6th because of the Lynch trade. We currently have 2 7th rd picks (picked one up for A Curry), but we could lose the other for Tyler Polumbus last year.

Seattle4Ever
02-02-2012, 01:22 AM
.... aaaaand that's why BR sucks.

ThUnDeR HaWk
02-02-2012, 01:34 AM
IF the seahawks were gunna draft Burficit in the first round, theyd probably just trade down to later 1st and get more picks

House
02-02-2012, 01:45 AM
IF the seahawks were gunna draft Burficit in the first round, theyd probably just trade down to later 1st and get more picks

I can agree with that... I'd much rather have Zach Brown though. Burfict has great upside, but he's got an attitude issue

FWBrodie
02-02-2012, 02:27 AM
I just flat out can't get on board with taking any LB in round one ever again unless he is an elite pass rusher type.

House
02-02-2012, 02:48 AM
I just flat out can't get on board with taking any LB in round one ever again unless he is an elite pass rusher type.

i kind of feel the same way. It proves that players are hit and miss. If LB is a BIG need and he's the BPA, I'm on board.

Scared money doesn't make money and IF the guy can help us, we have to objectively look at him.

FWBrodie
02-02-2012, 05:38 AM
It isn't just Curry, it's Peterson, Hill, Lofa. We went down that route and DB's and D-line is just so much more impactful (not a word apparently, but I don't care).

Hawk Deez Natz
02-02-2012, 05:38 AM
I would really like it if we were able to get the Baylor running back. I like big backs that can wear down defenses and find the goal line in short yardage situations. It always seems like the people we would really like are taken a couple of slots before we pick though. Guess we will have to wait and see.

Thebudler
02-02-2012, 11:12 AM
Burfict is an intriguing player. The guy is extremely talented, but he seems to be hot headed with a short fuse. If he "gets it" he will be a pro bowl LB, but that is a big if in my opinion. You want your inside linebacker to be a leader of the defense and I don't necessarily see that from Burfict. None the less, he is a reach at number 11 or 12. I really liked what I saw from Coples. He seemed to have a high motor and relentless pass rush.

FWBrodie
02-02-2012, 06:33 PM
Coples is a dominant physical specimen. Motor and drive are his big question marks. Someone with his talent should have a had waaaay more success in his career than he did.

Thebudler
02-03-2012, 01:23 PM
I agree, early in his career people were comparing him to Julius Peppers. But he never materialized into that type of player. All I know is he passes the eye ball test. He looks the part and played tough in the senior bowl! He is a perfect mixture of speed, size and strength.

Hawk Deez Natz
02-03-2012, 02:11 PM
I would really like it if we were able to get the Baylor running back. I like big backs that can wear down defenses and find the goal line in short yardage situations. It always seems like the people we would really like are taken a couple of slots before we pick though. Guess we will have to wait and see.

Just so no one thinks im completely crazy, I am referring to the later rounds. Not the #12 pick in the 1st.

Thebudler
02-03-2012, 03:34 PM
Terrance Ganaway RB from Baylor intrigues me. I normally don't put much value in combine numbers, but he is one guy I will pay attention to. If he can run a 4.5 or better, his draft stock will rise substantially. He looked incredible against the Huskies D, but that isn't saying very much. I see him being a Mike Tolbert type player. Serviceable, but won't ever be a pro bowl RB.

FWBrodie
02-03-2012, 05:46 PM
Assuming the Hawks resign Lynch, any RB they draft must be third-down capable. He must be an excellent pass protector and catcher, and probably have a little bit of speed to be able to run a route and get open. Being sturdy enough to earn a couple yards between the tackles wouldn't hurt either.

I think after the way Polk performed at the Senior Bowl he's out. No idea if Ganaway fits the bill or not.

FWBrodie
02-05-2012, 12:18 AM
A few free agents of interest:
Carl Nicks, G, Saints
Mike Brisiel, G, Texans
Kahlil Bell, RB, Bears (3rd down back)
Marcel Reece, FB, Raiders
Marques Colston, WR, Saints
Vincent Jackson, WR, SD

House
02-05-2012, 01:09 AM
A few free agents of interest:
Carl Nicks, G, Saints
Mike Brisiel, G, Texans
Kahlil Bell, RB, Bears (3rd down back)
Marcel Reece, FB, Raiders
Marques Colston, WR, Saints
Vincent Jackson, WR, SD

Nicks: He'll more than likely stick around in NO. That being said, that makes Colston available.

Briesel: If Briesel did come to SEA, would he be our starter at RG?

Bell: He showed his talent while Forte was out. I think Bell is a RFA and I'm sure CHI would want to keep him as Forte insurance.

Reece: Great FB with hands. He definitely fits the mold of what were looking for and playing for Cable only helps things get better. He's a RFA too and IMO OAK won't let him leave.

Colston: I'd take Colston in a HEARTBEAT. Not a loudmouth, plays hard and shows up in big moments. He has had some injuries, so I think he can come at a DECENT price.

Jackson: V-Jax is a BEAST. I am hearing that BUF and MIA might press hard to get him which will only drive up his price.

Caribou Lou
02-05-2012, 02:06 AM
Nicks: He'll more than likely stick around in NO. That being said, that makes Colston available.

What makes you think that?

House
02-05-2012, 02:15 AM
What makes you think that?

I have heard/read that NO is working on Brees' contract and will either sign/Franchise Nicks. Depending on Brees and Nicks' contracts, they may not have the money to pay Colston (his asking price)

FWBrodie
02-05-2012, 03:34 AM
Colston caught 80 0f 82 catchable balls he was thrown this season. He's a machine and he has that size that the FO seeks.

FWBrodie
02-05-2012, 03:36 AM
Larry Fitzgerald on the changes of the Seahawks under Carroll:

“They are much more physical, much more physical. At the Pro Bowl last week, they had three guys from their secondary, Brandon Browner and Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor. When you look at Chancellor, Chancellor is 6-foot-3, 230 pounds and a phenomenal athlete with good ball skills, good range. Earl Thomas is like a young Troy Polamalu, flying around and making plays. And Brandon Browner is the biggest cornerback I’ve ever seen in my life. He can play, too. He can cover. I really like the young rookie they have, (Richard) Sherman from Stanford. He is going to be a good player. Obviously, when they get Marcus Trufant back, that will only make them deeper. They challenge you at the point of attack. They want to pressure you and make things uncomfortable for you at the line of scrimmage, and their whole philosophy has changed. It’s fun to play against them.”http://seattlesportscentral.com/seahawks/seahawks-are-more-physical-says-fitzgerald/

Seattle4Ever
02-05-2012, 02:33 PM
Larry Fitzgerald on the changes of the Seahawks under Carroll:
http://seattlesportscentral.com/seahawks/seahawks-are-more-physical-says-fitzgerald/

That is awesome that he acknowledged us. I've always liked Fitz as a person and athlete.


Colston caught 80 0f 82 catchable balls he was thrown this season. He's a machine and he has that size that the FO seeks.

Yeah he has amazing hands. He could replace Mike Williams and if Sidney Rice goes down, he would benefit us much more than BMW could.

It's weird how BMW was getting around 11 catches a game with Hasselbeck, and few with T-Jack. Maybe the problem isn't Williams, maybe it's the QB.

House
02-05-2012, 02:38 PM
That is awesome that he acknowledged us. I've always liked Fitz as a person and athlete.



Yeah he has amazing hands. He could replace Mike Williams and if Sidney Rice goes down, he would benefit us much more than BMW could.

It's weird how BMW was getting around 11 catches a game with Hasselbeck, and few with T-Jack. Maybe the problem isn't Williams, maybe it's the QB.

I like Colston. BMW is owed $4M this year. With Colston's competition in FA, I think he'd sign for $7-8M/year.

Hopefully Rice bounces back. That would be 2 BIG targets!

Seattle4Ever
02-05-2012, 03:02 PM
At the same time, we have a looooot of money into our WR/TE corps.

adidas2307
02-05-2012, 05:10 PM
Hey Seahawks fans, I apologize for intruding into your Offseason Thread, however, your Off-topic Thread wasn't active and I didn't want to make a new one to clutter your forum. I was recently given the Seahawks in the NFL Re-Draft and frankly, my knowledge of the team doesn't go very far. So, I'm hoping that I could possibly get some help from a few of you? I have several questions that I would love to have answered:

Strengths?

Weaknesses?

Key players on both sides of the ball?

FA Targets?

Should I blow up the team and go very young or can I make a run in the playoffs with a few acquisitions?

And maybe anything else that would be of importance! Currently, after creeping through your threads, I have a few plans on who to draft and who to go after in FA but I don't want to say anything out loud quite yet just to make sure no one is being a dick and reading my posts. :p

Sorry this was so long, but I appreciate any insight. Thank you.

furmat60
02-06-2012, 02:49 AM
Strengths: Our defense (specifically our run defense and our secondary.) We finished 9th in total defense, 2nd in INT's, 3rd in TD's allowed, and tied for 4th in rushing TD's allowed. Our rushing attack isn't too shabby either.

Weaknesses: Our pass rush, and our QB position. We finished tied at 19th in sacks with 33. Our 3rd down and 4th down defensive conversions stats aren't the greatest, tied for 14th and 19th respectively.

Key players:
Offense- Marshawn Lynch, Golden Tate, Sidney Rice. Lynch is the key to our offense, it revolved around how well he ran the ball. If he would have started the first half of the year like he finished it, he would have broke 2K yards. Golden Tate was absolutely clutch this year. He didn't drop a single pass, and instead of having a Sophomore slump year, he improved. Look for him to have a really good season next year. Sidney Rice needs to stay healthy. He's clearly our #1, and he draws a lot of attention. Health is the issue here, though. If he can stay healthy, look for him to be our go-to receiver. Don't be surprised to see Doug Baldwin in the mix here, either. Also, I think Ricardo Lockette will make a big surprise next year and be a huge down field threat.

Defense: Red Bryant, David Hawthorne, Earl Thomas, Brandon Browner, Kam Chancellor.

They don't call our safeties "Thunder & Lightning" for nothing. Earl Thomas is already being compared to Troy P. He just made the Probowl in his second season, and Kam Chancellor is so big he looks like a linebacker. They're keys to our defense. Red Bryant is disgusting. He isn't the best at pass rushing, but he can stop any run at any angle. He's also got some speed for how big he is. Brandon Browner came over from the CFL. At 6 foot 4, 225 pounds, he is easily the biggest corner in the NFL. Larry Fitzgerald said he is an absolute monster and very hard to play against. He was 4th in the league this year in INT's with 6, 2 returned for TD's. David Hawthorne lead the team in tackles with 115, and he also had 3 INT's. He had big shoes to fill when he took over for Lofa Tatupu, and he's done wonderfully. His knees are a big issues, though.

FA Targets: Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Matt Flynn. Also, we nee to resign Red Bryant, David Hawthorne, Marshawn Lynch, John Carlson. We need to make a run at either DE Mario Williams from Houston, or DE Cliff Avril from Detroit. They are both monster DE's that should improve our pass rush a ton.

If it were me, I'd keep the team young. We lost a few games this year we should have won (Redskins and Browns) that would have put us into the playoffs. We're the second youngest team in the league, and we've improved a ton. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. Stay young, stay competitive, and stay hungry.

Burleson81
02-06-2012, 07:01 AM
I'd add that Richard Sherman CB at 6'3" is also a monster for us. He's relatively new at the defensive side of the ball; played WR at Stanford, but was our best pick in last year's draft. I'd also add that our OL is young, growing, and looked porous in preseason, but was pretty good when healthy I think.

We never had the opportunity to utilize our two TE's at the same time, since Carlson got injured. I also like FB Michael Robinson; he's an unconventional, faster, but smaller FB who can catch.

I couldn't watch many games, but I think our kicker was good too. Special teams coverage is an area to improve. And speed in LB corp is another area to improve.

adidas2307
02-06-2012, 12:46 PM
Strengths: Our defense (specifically our run defense and our secondary.) We finished 9th in total defense, 2nd in INT's, 3rd in TD's allowed, and tied for 4th in rushing TD's allowed. Our rushing attack isn't too shabby either.

Weaknesses: Our pass rush, and our QB position. We finished tied at 19th in sacks with 33. Our 3rd down and 4th down defensive conversions stats aren't the greatest, tied for 14th and 19th respectively.

Key players:
Offense- Marshawn Lynch, Golden Tate, Sidney Rice. Lynch is the key to our offense, it revolved around how well he ran the ball. If he would have started the first half of the year like he finished it, he would have broke 2K yards. Golden Tate was absolutely clutch this year. He didn't drop a single pass, and instead of having a Sophomore slump year, he improved. Look for him to have a really good season next year. Sidney Rice needs to stay healthy. He's clearly our #1, and he draws a lot of attention. Health is the issue here, though. If he can stay healthy, look for him to be our go-to receiver. Don't be surprised to see Doug Baldwin in the mix here, either. Also, I think Ricardo Lockette will make a big surprise next year and be a huge down field threat.

Defense: Red Bryant, David Hawthorne, Earl Thomas, Brandon Browner, Kam Chancellor.

They don't call our safeties "Thunder & Lightning" for nothing. Earl Thomas is already being compared to Troy P. He just made the Probowl in his second season, and Kam Chancellor is so big he looks like a linebacker. They're keys to our defense. Red Bryant is disgusting. He isn't the best at pass rushing, but he can stop any run at any angle. He's also got some speed for how big he is. Brandon Browner came over from the CFL. At 6 foot 4, 225 pounds, he is easily the biggest corner in the NFL. Larry Fitzgerald said he is an absolute monster and very hard to play against. He was 4th in the league this year in INT's with 6, 2 returned for TD's. David Hawthorne lead the team in tackles with 115, and he also had 3 INT's. He had big shoes to fill when he took over for Lofa Tatupu, and he's done wonderfully. His knees are a big issues, though.

FA Targets: Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Matt Flynn. Also, we nee to resign Red Bryant, David Hawthorne, Marshawn Lynch, John Carlson. We need to make a run at either DE Mario Williams from Houston, or DE Cliff Avril from Detroit. They are both monster DE's that should improve our pass rush a ton.

If it were me, I'd keep the team young. We lost a few games this year we should have won (Redskins and Browns) that would have put us into the playoffs. We're the second youngest team in the league, and we've improved a ton. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. Stay young, stay competitive, and stay hungry.

Thank you very much! I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this. :hi5:

furmat60
02-07-2012, 02:53 AM
I'd add that Richard Sherman CB at 6'3" is also a monster for us. He's relatively new at the defensive side of the ball; played WR at Stanford, but was our best pick in last year's draft. I'd also add that our OL is young, growing, and looked porous in preseason, but was pretty good when healthy I think.

We never had the opportunity to utilize our two TE's at the same time, since Carlson got injured. I also like FB Michael Robinson; he's an unconventional, faster, but smaller FB who can catch.

I couldn't watch many games, but I think our kicker was good too. Special teams coverage is an area to improve. And speed in LB corp is another area to improve.

Thanks, I left out a lot of info. Glad you had my back!

Burleson81
02-07-2012, 11:30 AM
Thanks, I left out a lot of info. Glad you had my back!

Sure, no problem. You mentioned Seahawks was the 2nd youngest team. Who was the youngest?

I was thinking.. The Niners played the Giants closer than the Pats did. And we were competitive with the Niners and we actually beat the Giants. So we're pretty close to being a true contender.

ztilzer31
02-07-2012, 10:18 PM
Players we will be looking to draft...

1. Future QB
2. 3rd down back
3. Tight End (especially if Carlson goes)
4. DE/LB (Pass rush)
5. WR (More of a late round pick. A guy who can go on special teams)
6. OL (I doubt we'll draft any just because we have a bunch of young guys already)

That's what I think at least...

FWBrodie
02-07-2012, 11:51 PM
Positions they for sure don't need:
DB
1 tech DT
LT, C, RG, wherever they project Carpenter
P
Slot WR
Wherever they project Wright

Hawk Deez Natz
02-08-2012, 03:17 PM
Strengths: Our defense (specifically our run defense and our secondary.) We finished 9th in total defense, 2nd in INT's, 3rd in TD's allowed, and tied for 4th in rushing TD's allowed. Our rushing attack isn't too shabby either.

Weaknesses: Our pass rush, and our QB position. We finished tied at 19th in sacks with 33. Our 3rd down and 4th down defensive conversions stats aren't the greatest, tied for 14th and 19th respectively.

Key players:
Offense- Marshawn Lynch, Golden Tate, Sidney Rice. Lynch is the key to our offense, it revolved around how well he ran the ball. If he would have started the first half of the year like he finished it, he would have broke 2K yards. Golden Tate was absolutely clutch this year. He didn't drop a single pass, and instead of having a Sophomore slump year, he improved. Look for him to have a really good season next year. Sidney Rice needs to stay healthy. He's clearly our #1, and he draws a lot of attention. Health is the issue here, though. If he can stay healthy, look for him to be our go-to receiver. Don't be surprised to see Doug Baldwin in the mix here, either. Also, I think Ricardo Lockette will make a big surprise next year and be a huge down field threat.

Defense: Red Bryant, David Hawthorne, Earl Thomas, Brandon Browner, Kam Chancellor.

They don't call our safeties "Thunder & Lightning" for nothing. Earl Thomas is already being compared to Troy P. He just made the Probowl in his second season, and Kam Chancellor is so big he looks like a linebacker. They're keys to our defense. Red Bryant is disgusting. He isn't the best at pass rushing, but he can stop any run at any angle. He's also got some speed for how big he is. Brandon Browner came over from the CFL. At 6 foot 4, 225 pounds, he is easily the biggest corner in the NFL. Larry Fitzgerald said he is an absolute monster and very hard to play against. He was 4th in the league this year in INT's with 6, 2 returned for TD's. David Hawthorne lead the team in tackles with 115, and he also had 3 INT's. He had big shoes to fill when he took over for Lofa Tatupu, and he's done wonderfully. His knees are a big issues, though.

FA Targets: Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Matt Flynn. Also, we nee to resign Red Bryant, David Hawthorne, Marshawn Lynch, John Carlson. We need to make a run at either DE Mario Williams from Houston, or DE Cliff Avril from Detroit. They are both monster DE's that should improve our pass rush a ton.

If it were me, I'd keep the team young. We lost a few games this year we should have won (Redskins and Browns) that would have put us into the playoffs. We're the second youngest team in the league, and we've improved a ton. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. Stay young, stay competitive, and stay hungry.

This was a nice break down of the team....good job.

Blazers#1Fan
02-08-2012, 06:32 PM
That is awesome that he acknowledged us. I've always liked Fitz as a person and athlete.



Yeah he has amazing hands. He could replace Mike Williams and if Sidney Rice goes down, he would benefit us much more than BMW could.

It's weird how BMW was getting around 11 catches a game with Hasselbeck, and few with T-Jack. Maybe the problem isn't Williams, maybe it's the QB.

yeah its the QB Mike Williams Wasnt Getting the looks he should of gotten! T-Jax was looking for rice and when rice went down he was lookin for the slot guys, williams wasnt looked at because jackson doesnt turn his damn head he got 18 REC compared to +60 in 2010-11 season

Seattle4Ever
02-08-2012, 09:48 PM
I talked to Danny Kelly from FieldGulls on Twitter today.

He said if he had his way, he'd get Lynch signed and franchise Carlson. I pointed out the our WR/TE corps is expensive, and he somewhat agreed. But I also backtracked and said that Fred Davis (drafted right before Carlson, I believe) is going to be franchised this year, and his receptions, yards, and TDs are almost identical to Carlson's.

FWBrodie
02-08-2012, 11:08 PM
The difference is that Fred Davis has been dramatically improving, while Carlson has been trending down.

Seattle4Ever
02-09-2012, 10:12 PM
The difference is that Fred Davis has been dramatically improving, while Carlson has been trending down.

Good point.

BTW, I ****ing love your sig. It is truly amazing.

FWBrodie
02-09-2012, 11:30 PM
Dude, I had never seen that play before. Found it today. Browner was not happy.

furmat60
02-09-2012, 11:59 PM
Browner took out 3 damn players. He's been a steal, and I think he'll only get better next season. Dude is a ****ing beast.

FWBrodie
02-10-2012, 01:55 AM
Thing about Browner is at 28, he's probably as good as he's going to get. Maybe he cleans up the penalties a little, but he's probably peaked. Not a bad thing, he was great.

furmat60
02-10-2012, 02:30 AM
Thing about Browner is at 28, he's probably as good as he's going to get. Maybe he cleans up the penalties a little, but he's probably peaked. Not a bad thing, he was great.

Well, that's what I was implying. You could see as the season progressed that the penalties were starting to come down. The CFL isn't really too much of a physical league, so him being 28 isn't really too much of a concern for me. It's like he's 25 or 26 right now. You're right though, that physically I don't think he's going to improve, I believe he's peaked in that aspect.

Blazers#1Fan
02-11-2012, 03:56 AM
so my thoughts today why dont we try and trade for T.J. Yates he is a mobile QB who is pretty good maybe give them a future 2nd or 3rd not sure what it'd take but Yates would be a good young QB for us who could excel with us

House
02-11-2012, 12:33 PM
Someone to possibly look at if he gets cut. He has good coverage skills and we wouldn't need him to rush...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-koa-misi-miami-dolphins-kelly-20120210,0,1630159.story?track=rss

Seattle4Ever
02-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Dude, I had never seen that play before. Found it today. Browner was not happy.

I hadn't each other. When I watched your sig I was literally speechless.

furmat60
02-11-2012, 05:00 PM
Someone to possibly look at if he gets cut. He has good coverage skills and we wouldn't need him to rush...
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-koa-misi-miami-dolphins-kelly-20120210,0,1630159.story?track=rss

My Utah boy! I think he'd be great here. If we utilized him as just a pass rusher, I think he'd be really good.

House
02-11-2012, 06:47 PM
My Utah boy! I think he'd be great here. If we utilized him as just a pass rusher, I think he'd be really good.

MIA's issue is he isn't developing in the pass-rush game. They use several packages with dual blitzing LBs and he wasn't getting into the backfield.

As a coverage roamer, he's great.

Burleson81
02-12-2012, 12:33 AM
Can someone explain to me our version of the 4-3? I know we use what is called a Leo. What's that?

FWBrodie
02-12-2012, 02:58 AM
They basically run a 3-4 except one of the linebackers (Leo/Clemons) is always up on the LOS shaded outside the tackle. Also means Red Bryant is basically 3-4 style DE or 5 tech.

Burleson81
02-12-2012, 03:09 AM
They basically run a 3-4 except one of the linebackers (Leo/Clemons) is always up on the LOS shaded outside the tackle. Also means Red Bryant is basically 3-4 style DE or 5 tech.

Thanks, Brodie.

Follow-up question. So basically we start 4 LB's and 3 DT's?

FWBrodie
02-12-2012, 04:05 AM
"The best pass rusher on the team is usually the defensive end to the open side of the field. That puts him on the quarterback's blind side and makes him a C gap player in this defense. We often align him wider than this in order to give him a better angle of attack and allow him to play in space. We align him a yard outside of the offensive tackle most of the time. He has to play C gap run support but at the same time he is rushing the passer like it is third and ten. He has to be able to close down however if the tackle blocks down on him."

"(He) has to be one of your best football players. Size does not matter as much. We want an athletic player who can move around."
-Pete Carroll on the Leo position.

House
02-12-2012, 04:15 AM
-Pete Carroll on the Leo position.

High motor, athletic and calculated are VERY important assets for the LEO position. IMO, Quinton Coples, Nick Perry and Whitney Mercilus are the Top 3 options.

FWBrodie
02-12-2012, 06:00 AM
Courtney Upshaw intrigues me. I think Clemons is doing a fine job, but it'd be nice to draft his eventual successor or at the very least somebody who can back him up effectively while still contributing from other positions. Upshaw has that quick burst needed to beat a tackle around the outside, but also the strength to hold his ground and shed blockers against the run. I think you could line him up at DE or OLB to rush the passer. My favorite part about him though is how violently he plays, throwing his body around like he cares more about winning than his own well being. Love that.

Love Coples too.

Perry looks like a Chris Clemons clone to me, which isn't a bad thing I just wonder where he would fit with Clemons still here.

House
02-12-2012, 10:54 AM
Courtney Upshaw intrigues me. I think Clemons is doing a fine job, but it'd be nice to draft his eventual successor or at the very least somebody who can back him up effectively while still contributing from other positions. Upshaw has that quick burst needed to beat a tackle around the outside, but also the strength to hold his ground and shed blockers against the run. I think you could line him up at DE or OLB to rush the passer. My favorite part about him though is how violently he plays, throwing his body around like he cares more about winning than his own well being. Love that.

Love Coples too.

Perry looks like a Chris Clemons clone to me, which isn't a bad thing I just wonder where he would fit with Clemons still here.

Good analysis on Upshaw. IMO, he won't be there at #11/12 so i left him off my list. The dude does play violent and my concern with him is it can really shorten his career.

Perry is going to really pick up steam and the fact he has played the LEO in a Carroll system already makes him valuable. I think he'll be a FASTER, more aggressive Chris Clemons.

Seattle4Ever
02-12-2012, 03:09 PM
Our defense is a 4-3 Under with 3-4 personnel, essentially.

NateyB24
02-13-2012, 02:41 AM
Sounds like the Uni changes are really going to happen.

http://seattlesportscentral.com/seahawks/something-is-brewing-with-the-new-seahawks-uniforms/


I just got some great news from the Seahawks….. You 12′s will love this if it goes thru …

— Kameron (@Kam_Chancellor) February 9, 2012


It has to do with The Uni’s… I won’t tell yet though

— Kameron (@Kam_Chancellor) February 9, 2012

furmat60
02-13-2012, 03:05 AM
I just turned it on NFL network, and they just started to show Superbowl XL highlights. Sigh.......feels bad man.

Boozerguy47
02-13-2012, 10:56 PM
Sounds like the Uni changes are really going to happen.

http://seattlesportscentral.com/seahawks/something-is-brewing-with-the-new-seahawks-uniforms/

Yup... I just want to see them already! I wouldn't mind having a darker/black alternate uniform.

Seattle4Ever
02-13-2012, 11:41 PM
I saw those tweets a bit ago.

A black uni would be dooooope.

FWBrodie
02-14-2012, 02:21 AM
Paul Allen's money + Pete Carroll's nose for attention + John Schneider's edgy GMing = Hard-On

That chubby says these jerseys are about to be siiiiick.

NateyB24
02-14-2012, 11:19 PM
Yup... I just want to see them already! I wouldn't mind having a darker/black alternate uniform.

I would love to bring the old school uniforms back but black would be sweet to.

House
02-18-2012, 08:36 PM
Just heard on NFL Total Access that Cliff Avril will become a UFA unless DET places the Franchise tag on him. He was quoted to say "I will not take less money to stay in DET."

He's the #2 rated DE behind Mario Williams and would cost A LOT less... Thoughts?

Burleson81
02-18-2012, 08:55 PM
Just heard on NFL Total Access that Cliff Avril will become a UFA unless DET places the Franchise tag on him. He was quoted to say "I will not take less money to stay in DET."

He's the #2 rated DE behind Mario Williams and would cost A LOT less... Thoughts?

Not sure. He has talent around him, (Suh, KVB, and Williams). Just not sure if he is worth the money that he wants.

ztilzer31
02-18-2012, 09:30 PM
It's looking like Mario Williams isn't going to be available.

House
02-18-2012, 10:33 PM
Seattle "DETERMINED" to re-sign Bryant
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/02/18/seahawks-determined-to-re-sign-bryant

IMO, Hawthorne is gone...

ThUnDeR HaWk
02-19-2012, 05:43 PM
good article on Peyton Manning and his possibilities of signing with the Seahawks

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/2/19/2810189/peyton-manning-rumors-intrigue-galore

IF the seahawks did sign manning and resign their own free agents (Lynch, Hawthorne, Bryant, ETC) they would probably have enough money for another big free agent or 2-3 medium free agents. IF manning signs in Seattle, they seahawks would be wise to draft a developmental QB in the 3rd-4th (Cousins hopefully) to grow behind him

Caribou Lou
02-19-2012, 06:18 PM
I could care less about Hawthorne. If we can re-sign him, great. If not, eh. I want Marshawn and Red back though. And JC if we're going to make a push at Manning.

furmat60
02-19-2012, 06:55 PM
Hawthorne is a good player but he's got durability issues. He can be replaced. Lynch, Bryant, and Carlson should be top priority IMO.

FWBrodie
02-19-2012, 07:13 PM
good article on Peyton Manning and his possibilities of signing with the Seahawks

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/2/19/2810189/peyton-manning-rumors-intrigue-galore

IF the seahawks did sign manning and resign their own free agents (Lynch, Hawthorne, Bryant, ETC) they would probably have enough money for another big free agent or 2-3 medium free agents. IF manning signs in Seattle, they seahawks would be wise to draft a developmental QB in the 3rd-4th (Cousins hopefully) to grow behind him

I think you're way off there. If the Hawks resign their guys and Manning cap space will be tight.

ThUnDeR HaWk
02-20-2012, 02:42 AM
you are probably right, depends on what they do with truant / obo / gallery

House
02-20-2012, 02:51 AM
you are probably right, depends on what they do with truant / obo / gallery

Gallery will be around. We currently have no suitable replacement for him.

Trufant, Obomanu and possibly Mike Williams are gone IMO...

FWBrodie
02-20-2012, 03:02 AM
I agree on those players being gone. Obo and BMW were outplayed by Tate and I don't believe they are comfortable with Tate as the #2 just yet. Therefor I think they cut the fat and go find an upgrade to move Tate down to 4th behind Rice, ______, and Baldwin.

FWBrodie
02-20-2012, 03:09 AM
Gallery is an interesting case. I think he clearly missed the mark on his expectations last season both in terms of health and level of play. I don't think we know Cable well enough yet to be able to point out a trend or be able to predict his next move though, at least I don't.

House
02-20-2012, 04:19 AM
Gallery is an interesting case. I think he clearly missed the mark on his expectations last season both in terms of health and level of play. I don't think we know Cable well enough yet to be able to point out a trend or be able to predict his next move though, at least I don't.

Gallery looked better as the year went on. I think that Jarriel King or even James Carpenter will be the eventual replacement at LG. With Carpenter starting the year possibly on the PUP, I think we need to bring in AT LEAST one other guy.

LT: Okung; King
LG: Gallery; McQuistan
C: Unger; Jean-Pierre
RG: Moffitt; ...
RT: Giacomini; Carpenter

Maybe we bring Mike Gibson back in for depth...

House
02-20-2012, 04:21 AM
I agree on those players being gone. Obo and BMW were outplayed by Tate and I don't believe they are comfortable with Tate as the #2 just yet. Therefor I think they cut the fat and go find an upgrade to move Tate down to 4th behind Rice, ______, and Baldwin.

Marques Colston would be AWESOME! (Won't happen).

I know there are hopes for Rocket (Lockette) to jump in there, but I have high hopes for Durham. I hope he comes in and wrecks...

FWBrodie
02-20-2012, 04:37 AM
Gallery looked better as the year went on. I think that Jarriel King or even James Carpenter will be the eventual replacement at LG. With Carpenter starting the year possibly on the PUP, I think we need to bring in AT LEAST one other guy.

LT: Okung; King
LG: Gallery; McQuistan
C: Unger; Jean-Pierre
RG: Moffitt; ...
RT: Giacomini; Carpenter

Maybe we bring Mike Gibson back in for depth...

Don't forget Moffit not only has the injury to rehab from, but a 4 game PED suspension. So yeah, they'll need some more guard depth.

House
02-20-2012, 05:17 AM
Don't forget Moffit not only has the injury to rehab from, but a 4 game PED suspension. So yeah, they'll need some more guard depth.

I read something saying he'll be ready for training camp and his 4-game PED suspension was knocked out while he was on the IR. They docked him 4 games pay.
http://mynorthwest.com/292/589264/Seahawks-guard-John-Moffitt-suspended-for-PEDs

I think Gibson will be back...

Caribou Lou
02-20-2012, 05:45 AM
I think Williams will be coming back unless we sign a Colston or Bowe. And with the progress we saw from some of our young receivers last year, I'm doubting it will happen.

FWBrodie
02-20-2012, 05:57 AM
I read something saying he'll be ready for training camp and his 4-game PED suspension was knocked out while he was on the IR. They docked him 4 games pay.
http://mynorthwest.com/292/589264/Seahawks-guard-John-Moffitt-suspended-for-PEDs

I think Gibson will be back...

Wow, had no idea. That's amazing news. I feel way better about the beginning of the season now.

Also, forgot about Gibson. I like him a lot.

House
02-22-2012, 12:13 AM
Raiders to cut more contracts?

New Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie let cornerback Stanford Routt go recently as part of his plan to shave contracts that were "out of whack." TheSidelineView.com's Adam Caplan cites sources who believe the roster trimming may continue beyond Routt.

Specifically, strongside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley will have his entire $11 million contract guaranteed on March 17. Even if they release him, they'll still be on the hook for $6.5 million against the cap, so cutting him may or may not be the best option for the Raiders.

Caplan also points to DT Tommy Kelly ($6 million base salary), OLB Aaron Curry ($5.7575 million base salary), S Michael Huff ($4 million base salary/over $9.8 cap number) and DT John Henderson ($4 million base salary) as Raiders whose contracts might require restructuring to avoid being let go this offseason.

As they stand now, the Raiders are about $11 million over the cap.

- Tom Carpenter

I am hearing from Raiders fans that the team may try to trade Kamerion Wimbley. I was stationed with his sister in Greenland and got to meet him back in '07. He's a good guy with a HUGE motor and work ethic. He'll be 28 in Oct...

Thebudler
02-22-2012, 11:10 AM
I hate to say it because I love Trufant (Go Cougs!), but I don't see any role for him on this team. I know if he did come back he would have to restructure his contract again, but I just don't know where he would fit in.

Hawthorne is replaceable and if the Hawks get a QB and sign a DE, maybe draft a guy like Luke Kuechly, who is a tackling machine and could start at MLB from day one.

My Free agent off season priorities
1. Re-sign Big Red. He is the most valuable person of the defensive side of the ball.
2. Re-sign Lynch. He is the motor of the offense and he makes O-lineman work harder.
3. Upgrade the QB position- Pretty vague,I know, but that position needs upgraded now!
4. Sign A DE- preferably Mario Williams, but that may be a pipe dream. I would like a guy like Cliff Avril or Robert Mathis to come in and give more of a consistent pass rush.
5. Re-sign Hawthorne or sign/ draft a FA. may be guys like Curtis Lofton, Stephen Tulloch or Dqwell Jackson.

ztilzer31
02-22-2012, 03:18 PM
I think Williams will be coming back unless we sign a Colston or Bowe. And with the progress we saw from some of our young receivers last year, I'm doubting it will happen.

Bowe ain't goin no where. If the Chiefs can't resign him they'll franchise. Colston is a possibility, and if Peyton really does have a chance at going to Seattle, Reggie Wayne could come cheap. I hate how this guy gets no respect. He still almost had another 1000 yards season (would of been 8 in a row) even with how horrible the Colt's QB's were. A lot of people are saying he's going to the Pats though...

Also Jerry Rice said that Reggie Wayne has the mind to play for awhile longer. He's a smart player, and even if we don't get Peyton he's worth a look at.

ccg34
02-22-2012, 07:18 PM
I would like to stick with our group of receivers. BMW is a good player. He is working like crazy to stick to the team. The problem ain't the receivers, it is T Jack. He doesn't use them to their highest potential.

FWBrodie
02-22-2012, 07:49 PM
I don't know man. Hugh Millen and some others had some pretty bad words about Mike Williams' performance this season. Lazy route running was one of them. I saw him get a bunch of opportunities to make big catches and he dropped a bunch of them.

Seattle4Ever
02-22-2012, 08:46 PM
I was so happy to get BMW :(

Maybe he just got discouraged that T-Jack hardly looked his way, and he just started getting lazy. I can definitely see that. This might sound stupid but whenever I play a game of pickup football and my QB isn't throwing to me, I usually just run go routes every time, and take a lot of plays off and run slow routes.

FWBrodie
02-22-2012, 09:24 PM
Could be. Could also be that that's just his mentality, to get lazy. Maybe this season was another wake up call. It's hard to keep giving a guy like that more and more chances though.

Hawks4ever
02-23-2012, 12:59 AM
I thought BMW was going to have a monster season last year. I personally think he will next year as well, if him and rice stay healthy. I think he could be a good number 2, with Obo, Baldwin, and Tate behind them.

House
02-23-2012, 01:10 AM
Obo will be gone. It'll make room for Durham and Lockette...

BMW made a HUGE impact off the field for our team last year. He talked to Baldwin and Tate on the sidelines and helped them break down coverages and zone reads. He has become very video-saavy and guys like Tate gravitated to him and showed success. I'd like to see him stick around, but he has to stay healthy and make an impact on the field

Hawks4ever
02-23-2012, 01:26 AM
I hope Obo isn't gone I really like him, although I don't know if he will ever be more than a 3 or 4 guy. Specially in Seattle he just won't see the field enough I guess.

Thebudler
02-23-2012, 11:09 AM
My guess is they will restructure BMW's contract. They seem to do that any time someone has a down year. Mike Williams will also most likely start the season on the PUP list, so we need alternative options. I hope Lockett or Durham step up and become the guys I think they can be.

furmat60
02-23-2012, 12:26 PM
I have a good feeling that Lockett will emerge to become our down field threat. He's so fast. He's going to burn people.

ztilzer31
02-23-2012, 02:41 PM
I think Tarvaris has problems getting the ball down the middle of the field. Mike Williams is a possession receiver and needs the ball more in the middle of the field. He also needs an accurate passer because he doesn't a lot of seperation.

Hawks4ever
02-23-2012, 04:22 PM
I was hoping Williams would be like juravious, who was a big reason we made it to the SB IMO. You also have to think Tavaris played hurt all year basically. He got hurt right after he got going.

NateyB24
02-23-2012, 08:24 PM
I just think it has to do with T-Jack not throwing to him BMW is never going to out run a DB throw it in his direction even if he is covered and 9 out of 10 times will catch it.

Hawks4ever
02-23-2012, 11:41 PM
I just think it has to do with T-Jack not throwing to him BMW is never going to out run a DB throw it in his direction even if he is covered and 9 out of 10 times will catch it.

This!!!

FWBrodie
02-24-2012, 12:28 AM
So explain all the drops.

House
02-24-2012, 12:35 AM
The drops are what made his season so UNSUCCESSFUL... T-Jack doesn't help, but a WR has NO excuse to drop a ball that he got BOTH hands on

Hawks4ever
02-24-2012, 12:37 AM
So explain all the drops.

How many did he have?

House
02-24-2012, 12:38 AM
I know of AT LEAST 6

House
02-24-2012, 01:21 AM
Carpenter moving to LG when he returns? I think this is a GOOD move.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=6595&line=228284&spln=1

FWBrodie
02-24-2012, 01:40 AM
Eh, I doubt that's final or anything. We already knew it was an option. Nothing new.

Hawks4ever
02-24-2012, 02:20 AM
Carpenter moving to LG when he returns? I think this is a GOOD move.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=6595&line=228284&spln=1

Where would we put Gallery? And could Moffit be moved to C possibly.

Russel
Carpenter
Moffit
Gallery
Giacomini
Possibly?

FWBrodie
02-24-2012, 05:47 AM
Unger was our best lineman last season, no reason to ever move him.

Gallery on the other hand, was not so good at times.

Burleson81
02-24-2012, 10:10 AM
We lost the flip with KC. But we get the 11th pick in 2nd.

House
02-24-2012, 10:46 AM
I think Carpenter will be our backup LG and take over for Gallery next year or if Gallery gets injured/struggles

Thebudler
02-24-2012, 10:57 AM
Carpenter and maybe Moffitt will start the season on the PUP list. But this move is a no brainer. Carpenter already had questionable foot speed and having him not being able to get ready for the season due to his injury will only slow his progression. Guard seems like his natural position anyway. Carpenter really struggled against speed rushers.

DuckHawk
02-24-2012, 11:33 AM
wow. a 1st round pick for a backup LG.

NateyB24
02-24-2012, 12:59 PM
DuckHawk he will be moved back to RT once he is 100% i think this is a smart move by Schneider since he is coming off a ACL tear.

We will probably resign Lynch or franchise him and Bryant but if we lose Hawthorne and Hill we are very very thin at the LB position.

FWBrodie
02-24-2012, 04:27 PM
It probably comes down to who's playing better football when Carpenter gets healthy, Gallery or Giacomini. Let's not forget that Carpenter didn't have the benefit of a full offseason. Unlike Moffit who has help on both sides, Carp was thrown into the fire out in space. He had ups and downs, but I think he's probably still in the mix for RT and probably backs up LG and LT. He will be a starter though.

Seattle4Ever
02-24-2012, 09:19 PM
Williams and Carlson both dropped way too many catchable balls. The majority were in the redzone, too.

shen
02-24-2012, 09:45 PM
Did Carlson even see the field this year?

FWBrodie
02-24-2012, 09:48 PM
Think he meant Miller.

Seattle4Ever
02-24-2012, 10:08 PM
With Carlson I'm not talking about the season before last season. But Miller also dropped balls that were catchable, and some even turned into INT's.

Burleson81
02-25-2012, 06:10 AM
I'd still like them to re-sign Carlson... and Robinson. I'm curious to see their 2-TE set with either Beast Mode or Robinson running out of the backfield.

ztilzer31
02-25-2012, 01:53 PM
I'm good on Carlson unless it's cheap. We need a TE that's better at blocking. I feel like we could pick up a really good TE in the top 3 rounds.

I really wish the QB position was solved. A lot of the potential free agents we might get, and potential resigning depend on who we got throwin the pig skin.

Seattle4Ever
02-25-2012, 08:27 PM
Carlson used to be one of my favorites on the team.

ztilzer31
02-25-2012, 09:02 PM
Carlson used to be one of my favorites on the team.

I wouldn't mind him back, but I just don't think he wants to be here, and I don't want to pay him 4 million a year to be what he's been after his rookie year. We'll see though. Also it'd be nice to get a blocking TE so Zach Miller doesn't have to block all the time.

FWBrodie
02-25-2012, 09:16 PM
I kinda think Carroll might be really into having two quality TE's. I didn't buy it at first, but I've heard him talk about them together a couple times.

kyuss275
02-26-2012, 10:22 PM
Is Washington putting the franchise tag on Fred Davis? If not i could see Carroll trying to pick him up.

House
02-26-2012, 10:51 PM
Is Washington putting the franchise tag on Fred Davis? If not i could see Carroll trying to pick him up.

If they do not work a long term deal, they will franchise him. They're hoping they don't have to FT him cause they could probably save $2-3M in 2012.

Blazers#1Fan
02-27-2012, 04:10 AM
resign lynch
sign saturday
sign peyton manning
sign Mario Williams
draft Michael Floyd
draft DE/LB who falls to round 2 11th pick
sign a LB
draft a QB later rounds to develop behind Peyton

would be a nice offseason

furmat60
02-27-2012, 11:11 AM
I kinda think Carroll might be really into having two quality TE's. I didn't buy it at first, but I've heard him talk about them together a couple times.

I've been saying this for the past year. No way we let Carlson go. He's not the greatest at blocking, but he's got a helluva pair of hands. His second season he led the team in catches and yards. I can't wait to have Miller and Carlson out on the field together. No way we let him go.