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Dolfan305
01-08-2012, 01:07 PM
I know it's early. But who do you think the top 3 MVP candidates are as of now?

Lebron
Howard
Durant

Iman Shumpert
01-08-2012, 01:17 PM
either iman shumpert or carmelo anthony

Gators123
01-08-2012, 01:18 PM
Gotta be Iman Shumpert.

braveniler58
01-08-2012, 01:18 PM
Steve Nash
Steve Nash
Steve Nash

alencp3
01-08-2012, 01:21 PM
Lebron
Durant
Griffin

NoahH
01-08-2012, 01:22 PM
LeBron
Carmelo (If the knicks play better)
D12
Durant

NBAfan4life
01-08-2012, 01:22 PM
It is obviously Lebron James as much as I dislike him you cant really argue anyone else at this point.

Leading the league in scoring and second in FG percentage. He is putting up phenominal numbers thus far.

Gibby
01-08-2012, 01:27 PM
Lebron, shooting 60% as a SF is just amazing.

Cal827
01-08-2012, 01:31 PM
Lebron James.. He's freakishly efficient so far, and has only a shot a few threes.

Then probably Durant.
Then maybe Melo.

Hustlenomics
01-08-2012, 01:33 PM
Lebron,Rondo,Paul George, Iman Shumpert

Nick O
01-08-2012, 01:47 PM
its between shumpert and ivan johnson

justinnum1
01-08-2012, 01:52 PM
lbj

Knickerbocker34
01-08-2012, 02:05 PM
shumpert ftw

Iodine
01-08-2012, 02:10 PM
Brawn




Durant
The rest

ManRam
01-08-2012, 02:14 PM
Gotta be LeBron. If the Magic didn't have 3 loses, Dwight would have a case. He's more valuable to his team than any one player in the league is, but his chances all ride on his team's success....

Evolution23
01-08-2012, 02:17 PM
Shumpert easily

SchyGuy11
01-08-2012, 02:26 PM
Jimmer

Geargo Wallace
01-08-2012, 02:27 PM
LeBryant Nash.

effen5
01-08-2012, 02:28 PM
bronbron

theheatles
01-08-2012, 02:29 PM
LeBron

30.1 ppg 7.6 apg 7.6 rpg .601 fg% with elite d

KnicksR4Real
01-08-2012, 02:30 PM
Bron
Durant
Melo

davids22
01-08-2012, 02:31 PM
Damn, Rose has one bad game and everyone forgets about him?

My MVP rankings...
1. Lebron
2. Rose/Dwight
3. Durant

I think MVP is easily going to one of those 4. If Lebron stays as freakishly efficient as he has been, then it's easily his. Dwight could snag it if his team got a 1-3 seed and he keeps grabbing these 20+ rebound games, but with Miami in their division, it's honestly LBJ's to lose.

Geargo Wallace
01-08-2012, 02:35 PM
Damn, Rose has one bad game and everyone forgets about him?

My MVP rankings...
1. Lebron
2. Rose/Dwight
3. Durant

I think MVP is easily going to one of those 4. If Lebron stays as freakishly efficient as he has been, then it's easily his. Dwight could snag it if his team got a 1-3 seed and he keeps grabbing these 20+ rebound games, but with Miami in their division, it's honestly LBJ's to lose.

He's not even averaging 20 ppg. His FG/3-Point %'s suck. His assists are up but he still averages almost 4 TO a game. Rose didn't deserve MVP last year, and he'll never win it again.

Avenged
01-08-2012, 02:41 PM
Lebron & Dwight!

Iodine
01-08-2012, 02:42 PM
He's not even averaging 20 ppg. His FG/3-Point %'s suck. His assists are up but he still averages almost 4 TO a game. Rose didn't deserve MVP last year, and he'll never win it again.

http://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/i-dont-care-what-you-say-my-logic-is-flawless.jpg

DeyAce
01-08-2012, 02:46 PM
He's not even averaging 20 ppg. His FG/3-Point %'s suck. His assists are up but he still averages almost 4 TO a game. Rose didn't deserve MVP last year, and he'll never win it again.

u mad?

ManRam
01-08-2012, 02:47 PM
I don't know if it's fair to say that Rose will never win it again, but his team won't ever be better suited, at least not any time soon, to set him up for winning the MVP. Him winning it had as much to do with his team's turnaround as anything else...and now that expectations will be high, he's less likely to win unless he really proves to be the best player in the NBA (unlike last year).

Geargo Wallace
01-08-2012, 02:48 PM
u mad?

I'm so pissed right now. :mad:

Chacarron
01-08-2012, 02:53 PM
Lebron
Durant
Howard

Slimsim
01-08-2012, 02:55 PM
Shumpert

lakers4sho
01-08-2012, 03:04 PM
Kobe being overlooked again? Without him Lakers are garbage.

Hawkize31
01-08-2012, 03:05 PM
Paul Geroge. Dude is 6' 10".

kntresistheheat
01-08-2012, 03:05 PM
LeBron

30.1 ppg 7.6 apg 7.6 rpg .601 fg% with elite d

How can you argue with those numbers? Lebron for sure!

PhillyFaninLA
01-08-2012, 03:07 PM
MVP - Lebron so far
6 man - Lou Williams

NetsPaint
01-08-2012, 03:07 PM
Jrue Holiday

Geargo Wallace
01-08-2012, 03:08 PM
Paul Geroge. Dude is 6' 10".

holy ****... GOAT.

PhillyFaninLA
01-08-2012, 03:14 PM
Jrue Holiday


I'm a huge Jrue fan but his shooting hasn't quite been there enough yet (had a great offensive quarter and good offensive game or two) hasn't been as steady as other guys. It appears he is on track after the last 2 games and his defense has been really good but hasn't been the Sixers MVP so far this year.

Gators123
01-08-2012, 03:21 PM
Paul Geroge. Dude is 6' 10".

lol what a scrub. The guys been stuck on 6'10 for like a month now.

Nick O
01-08-2012, 03:24 PM
man just imagine in 2 years when george is is 7ft 4 ... he will be unstoppable

Big Zo
01-08-2012, 03:28 PM
Kobe being overlooked again? Without him Lakers are garbage.

Lakers are garbage even with him. :p

DR_1
01-08-2012, 03:41 PM
Scalabrine, not even close.

LakersA's49ers
01-08-2012, 04:01 PM
lebron-pure power
kobe-27.8/6.2/5.8 is keeping the lakers afloat
durant-best pure shooter in the game. lights it up daily

Ebbs
01-08-2012, 04:08 PM
LeBron by a monsterous amount

Nick O
01-08-2012, 04:11 PM
lebron-pure power
kobe-27.8/6.2/5.8 is keeping the lakers afloat
durant-best pure shooter in the game. lights it up daily

that ray allen guy... hes not bad ;)

Dolfan305
01-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Right now Lebron is the MVP and the best in the NBA and it's not even close. I know it's only been 9 games and a lot can change but he's just been on a different level than every one else. 30 points per game on a ridiculous 60% shooting, which dwarfs the % of any other scorer near him, 8 rebounds and 8 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal, along with elite defense.

Dolfan305
01-08-2012, 04:15 PM
I don't care what Rose did last season or that he won MVP. I'm talking about this season. He's not been putting up MVP numbers by any stretch.

The_Jamal
01-08-2012, 04:15 PM
LeBron without a doubt

Evolution23
01-08-2012, 04:32 PM
lebron-pure power
kobe-27.8/6.2/5.8 is keeping the lakers afloat
durant-best pure shooter in the game. lights it up daily

afloat doesn't mean you are MVP. :rolleyes:

29$JerZ
01-08-2012, 04:36 PM
LeBron
Durant
Melo
Dwight

As of now

alew510
01-08-2012, 04:46 PM
Lebron
Melo
Durant
Kobe

JordansBulls
01-08-2012, 04:58 PM
I know it's early. But who do you think the top 3 MVP candidates are as of now?

Lebron
Howard
Durant

Lebron
Rose
Blake

Durant nor Dwight even lead there team in Win Shares right now.

Geargo Wallace
01-08-2012, 04:58 PM
Lebron
Melo
Durant
Kobe

4-4 dude.

Bruno
01-08-2012, 05:04 PM
LBJ and it's not close. his stats are atrocious. nobody is close statistically and Miami is winning.

avrpatsfan
01-08-2012, 05:10 PM
Avery Bradley
/Thread

Dolfan305
01-08-2012, 05:12 PM
Lebron
Rose
Blake

Durant nor Dwight even lead there team in Win Shares right now.

So win shares is the end all be all stat?? Rose is averaging 19 points per game on 42% shooting and 8 assists, 4 rebounds. Not MVP numbers....

penny421
01-08-2012, 05:13 PM
LBJ and it's not close. his stats are atrocious. nobody is close statistically and Miami is winning.

yes his stats are ridiculous.I think he will have a better season statistically than 2009.

smashmouth
01-08-2012, 05:13 PM
rose has picked up where he left off

YoungOne
01-08-2012, 05:15 PM
this many melo votes are hilarious :D

billsftw
01-08-2012, 05:15 PM
Scalabrine, not even close.

/thread
/psd

beasted86
01-08-2012, 05:45 PM
Right now Lebron is the MVP and the best in the NBA and it's not even close. I know it's only been 9 games and a lot can change but he's just been on a different level than every one else. 30 points per game on a ridiculous 60% shooting, which dwarfs the % of any other scorer near him, 8 rebounds and 8 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal, along with elite defense.

/thread.

YungDaSensai
01-08-2012, 05:52 PM
Obviously right now LBJ is the MVP, then i'm go with:

2. Durant
3. Love
4. Mamba

HuRRiCaNeS324
01-08-2012, 05:54 PM
Definitely my boy Bron. Hes fisting the league in the *** right now.

JayW_1023
01-08-2012, 06:01 PM
Obviously LeBron. A man possessed right now. With his new post game, the Heat have found way more offensive balance than last year.

daleja424
01-08-2012, 06:10 PM
Lebron James

End of story

More than 30 ppg, more than 7.5 assists and rebounds per game, over 60% fg shooting. And on the team with the best record

The isn't even an argument to be made for anyone else right now.

ChI_ShIzzLe
01-08-2012, 06:16 PM
Yes Lebron will win MVP with monstrous numbers and then choke in the playoffs like he does every year. Nothing shocking here.

jpagemn
01-08-2012, 06:17 PM
Obviously right now LBJ is the MVP, then i'm go with:

2. Durant
3. Love
4. Mamba

thats my list, too. But, if things continue the way they are, LeBron should win it unanimously, and anyone who does not vote for him should lose his vote, his man card, and his NBATV subscription.

Gators123
01-08-2012, 06:22 PM
Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2011-12 27 MIA NBA 8 290 36.7 .659 .601 4.0 19.4 12.3 40.6 2.7 2.0 13.3 32.5 125 94 1.8 0.6 2.5 .410

Amazing.

daleja424
01-08-2012, 06:24 PM
Yes Lebron will win MVP with monstrous numbers and then choke in the playoffs like he does every year. Nothing shocking here.

I don't think Chicago fans should be ever allowed to talk about choking ever again. While Lebron was dismanteling your team in the playoffs last year, it was your MVP that was posting a sub 10% shooting mark in the 4th quarter And sub 40% overall.

I can't believe you have the nerve to talk trash about the guy that clutched the crap out of your team last year. How quickly you forget the 14 point 4th quarter lead the bulls had that the wade Lebron duo demolished in the last couple minutes.

JordansBulls
01-08-2012, 06:25 PM
Lebron James

End of story

More than 30 ppg, more than 7.5 assists and rebounds per game, over 60% fg shooting. And on the team with the best record

The isn't even an argument to be made for anyone else right now.

Actually the Heat winning in Atlanta the other day without Lebron and Wade kinda hurts him as really that was the only team the Heat beat that was over .500 this season thus far on the road.
So for Lebron to get it, the Heat have to have the best record in the league by a good amount and probably the best stats, and then the voters have no choice but to give it to him.

JordansBulls
01-08-2012, 06:33 PM
I don't think Chicago fans should be ever allowed to talk about choking ever again. While Lebron was dismanteling your team in the playoffs last year, it was your MVP that was posting a sub 10% shooting mark in the 4th quarter And sub 40% overall.

I can't believe you have the nerve to talk trash about the guy that clutched the crap out of your team last year. How quickly you forget the 14 point 4th quarter lead the bulls had that the wade Lebron duo demolished in the last couple minutes.

Pay him no attention. Rose definitely struggled and I will blame him for our loss with HCA, but his frontline did not help as Bosh outplayed our entire frontline.


Wade
18.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.2 APG / 1.60 SPG / 1.20 BPG / 4.00 TPG / 40.5% FG / 20.0% 3 PT FG / 82.9%

FT

Lebron
25.8 PPG / 7.8 RPG / 6.6 APG / 2.40 SPG / 1.8 BPG / 3.6 TPG / 44.7% FG / 38.9% 3 PT FG / 86.4% FT

Bosh
23.2 PPG / 7.6 RPG / 1.2 APG / 0.60 SPG / 1.0 BPG / 2.0 TPG / 60.0% FG / 0.00% 3 PT FG / 91.4% FT


Look at those numbers for Bosh. 23 ppg on 60% FG is the reason the Heat beat us.

Cfrey
01-08-2012, 06:34 PM
No mention of KLOVE on the front page???

Where are the intelligent basketball posters??

Dolfan305
01-08-2012, 06:38 PM
No mention of KLOVE on the front page???

Where are the intelligent basketball posters??

MVPs don't go to a player who's team has a winning percentage on .375. Look at any MVP in recent memory, they all have teams with a very good record.

Cfrey
01-08-2012, 06:42 PM
The season is 8 games in.....? LOL he's playing out of his mind..

How about this for an example.. one of the headlines on ESPN the other day was something like this - "Griffin leads the Clips to a W behind his Double-Double"

i went and checked his stats... ****ing 22 and 13... That's another day at the ****ing office for Kevin Love and he still can't get any respect.. Makes me sick

bucketss
01-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Actually the Heat winning in Atlanta the other day without Lebron and Wade kinda hurts him as really that was the only team the Heat beat that was over .500 this season thus far on the road.
So for Lebron to get it, the Heat have to have the best record in the league by a good amount and probably the best stats, and then the voters have no choice but to give it to him.

who cares mvp is just a media award anyways..

Cfrey
01-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Oh BLAKE GRIFFIN can jump out of the gym!!!! He's such a better player!!!

bucketss
01-08-2012, 06:44 PM
Pay him no attention. Rose definitely struggled and I will blame him for our loss with HCA, but his frontline did not help as Bosh outplayed our entire frontline.


Wade
18.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.2 APG / 1.60 SPG / 1.20 BPG / 4.00 TPG / 40.5% FG / 20.0% 3 PT FG / 82.9%

FT

Lebron
25.8 PPG / 7.8 RPG / 6.6 APG / 2.40 SPG / 1.8 BPG / 3.6 TPG / 44.7% FG / 38.9% 3 PT FG / 86.4% FT

Bosh
23.2 PPG / 7.6 RPG / 1.2 APG / 0.60 SPG / 1.0 BPG / 2.0 TPG / 60.0% FG / 0.00% 3 PT FG / 91.4% FT


Look at those numbers for Bosh. 23 ppg on 60% FG is the reason the Heat beat us.

and who was the one creating open opportunites for bosh??? lebron was scoring and making his team mates better in the process you can dog him for the finals, but that series he had his finger prints all over that series

LA_Raiders
01-08-2012, 06:51 PM
Kobe is playing great with a softer than ever Gasol, and a very sorry team...

27/6/6

Cfrey
01-08-2012, 06:51 PM
he also shoots the ball 100 times a game so nice

ClippersE.G
01-08-2012, 07:01 PM
Andrew Bynum. He is so great The Lakers would probably be 0 - 8 without him. ANd I know he did not play the first couple of games but he was there in spirit and just that alone was enough to will them to victories.

Dolfan305
01-08-2012, 07:19 PM
Kobe is playing great with a softer than ever Gasol, and a very sorry team...

27/6/6

Lebron gets 30 per game on 5 less shots than Kobe. haha

latinofire21
01-08-2012, 07:26 PM
Iman I am Legend Shumpert
Carmelo Clutch Anthony
Paul Boy George
Norris Ice Veins Cole

MVP watch right there.

TylerSL
01-08-2012, 07:32 PM
1.LeBron James









2.Kevin Durant
3.everybody else

naps
01-08-2012, 07:44 PM
King James. It's not even close at this point. But it'll get more interesting after a couple of weeks.

naps
01-08-2012, 07:48 PM
Why isn't there a R2MVP on nba.com yet this year? Usually they start it as early as the first week of the season.

naps
01-08-2012, 07:55 PM
Yes Lebron will win MVP with monstrous numbers and then choke in the playoffs like he does every year. Nothing shocking here.

He MAD because Rose is now where he exactly belongs and isn't overrated anymore.


I don't think Chicago fans should be ever allowed to talk about choking ever again. While Lebron was dismanteling your team in the playoffs last year, it was your MVP that was posting a sub 10% shooting mark in the 4th quarter And sub 40% overall.

I can't believe you have the nerve to talk trash about the guy that clutched the crap out of your team last year. How quickly you forget the 14 point 4th quarter lead the bulls had that the wade Lebron duo demolished in the last couple minutes.

Thanks Daleja! Bulls fans should STFU about choking until Rose can shoot better than 10% in the 4th q of most important series of his life.

mdm692
01-08-2012, 08:07 PM
Im an anti lebron but he is raping the league right now. Carmelo and durant are 2nd and 3rd. I would give melo #1 if they had a better record(which they should). Kobe and nash are 4 and 5

Gagan136
01-08-2012, 08:12 PM
Rose or Bron

smith&wesson
01-08-2012, 08:15 PM
thebron

naps
01-08-2012, 08:25 PM
I like Melo but people are seriously considering him as MVP based on the season so far? Knicks are 8th in the east right now, which far below expectation. This is as much of a joke as Iman Shumpert or Paul Geroge 6'10".

Nycbball08
01-08-2012, 08:32 PM
MVP... Really?....8 games in?..

JordansBulls
01-08-2012, 10:35 PM
I'd say after the first month of the season which means end of January then this is good to have.

But I wrote this in another thread.

If the Heat have the best record and Lebron has the best stats, Lebron will be MVP it is as simple as that or at least he should get MVP. But then again Chicago in 1997 had the best record and MJ the best overall stats and he didn't get MVP. IMO the only threats to Lebron getting MVP will be Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose. But if the Thunder end up the #1 seed then Durant will get MVP.

Geargo Wallace
01-08-2012, 10:42 PM
MVP... Really?....8 games in?..

Look at the thread title.

beasted86
01-08-2012, 10:58 PM
I don't think Chicago fans should be ever allowed to talk about choking ever again. While Lebron was dismanteling your team in the playoffs last year, it was your MVP that was posting a sub 10% shooting mark in the 4th quarter And sub 40% overall.

I can't believe you have the nerve to talk trash about the guy that clutched the crap out of your team last year. How quickly you forget the 14 point 4th quarter lead the bulls had that the wade Lebron duo demolished in the last couple minutes.

:burn:

Jarvo
01-08-2012, 11:08 PM
Lebron
Lemarcus Alridge *Yea I Said It*
Wade?
Kobe
Durant.

DW3421
01-09-2012, 12:19 AM
Bron Bron

tredigs
01-09-2012, 12:35 AM
Lebron
Lemarcus Alridge *Yea I Said It*
Wade?
Kobe
Durant.

He's been injured, and relatively bad when he played. What?

Why are we talking about MVP after like 7 games?

But, yeah, Lebron's been the best by a mile.

smood999
01-09-2012, 12:36 AM
lebron hands down...however for the melo argument..one could argue that lebron is the only player playing better than him this season so far...check the numbers..advanced stats, game stats, however u want to do it...i wouldnt give it to him though based on the knicks record...and ppl that r laughing at the melo nominations r prob just basing it off of what u think u already know about him and not what he's doing this season...

chitown815
01-09-2012, 12:40 AM
MVP= lebron ,even more impressive because wade has been injured and has played poorly, battier has played poorly too, I have enjoyed watching the bostrich so far as well

Cal827
01-09-2012, 12:58 AM
I don't think Chicago fans should be ever allowed to talk about choking ever again. While Lebron was dismanteling your team in the playoffs last year, it was your MVP that was posting a sub 10% shooting mark in the 4th quarter And sub 40% overall.

I can't believe you have the nerve to talk trash about the guy that clutched the crap out of your team last year. How quickly you forget the 14 point 4th quarter lead the bulls had that the wade Lebron duo demolished in the last couple minutes.

Damn, now that is a burn :clap:

I'm starting to Like Heat fans on this site even more lol

lakersiznumber1
01-09-2012, 01:01 AM
why the hell is dwight on the list hell no first 2 games he didnt show up and 2night 5 points hhmm yea thats mvp numbers. mvp so far are durant and bron

shizzle09
01-09-2012, 01:13 AM
I don't think Chicago fans should be ever allowed to talk about choking ever again. While Lebron was dismanteling your team in the playoffs last year, it was your MVP that was posting a sub 10% shooting mark in the 4th quarter And sub 40% overall.

I can't believe you have the nerve to talk trash about the guy that clutched the crap out of your team last year. How quickly you forget the 14 point 4th quarter lead the bulls had that the wade Lebron duo demolished in the last couple minutes.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

this post was awesome! well said

Cool007
01-09-2012, 01:43 AM
I don't think anyone should have any other player other than LeBron as the clear cut favorite to win it right now.

LeBron has been superb and pretty damn impressive so far. He has been the MVP of the young season so far Hands Down.

Sactown
01-09-2012, 03:50 AM
He's been injured, and relatively bad when he played. What?

Why are we talking about MVP after like 7 games?

But, yeah, Lebron's been the best by a mile.

Hasn't it been like 9?
And 9/66 = right about 1/7th of the season... it's going to go by fast

BklynKnicks3
01-09-2012, 09:53 AM
Melo mvp is knicks win 40 and shumpert ROY

beardown4243
01-09-2012, 10:15 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

this post was awesome! well said

You can't compare one playoff series to an entire career of choking.

Chi StateOfMind
01-09-2012, 11:03 AM
LeBron James












Insert player name here trying to get on LeBron's level this season.

Chi StateOfMind
01-09-2012, 11:07 AM
But in all honesty, I would rather my team win championships then individual awards. Im sure you can ask LeBron if he could trade in the MVP for a ring, he would. Dude is too goid of a player not to win a ring but im sure he will win one very soon.

Kashmir13579
01-09-2012, 11:15 AM
Lebron right now. I don't really see a case for Durant at this point. 'Melo would have a case if the Knicks were above .500

Mishmin
01-09-2012, 11:38 AM
It's pretty clear that Lebron James is the best player in the world, and mvp to this point.

Jint.
01-09-2012, 11:49 AM
Lebron

TheNumber37
01-09-2012, 11:56 AM
Chris Paul. he's making the clippers respectable, that's not easy to do.

ldawg
01-09-2012, 12:10 PM
Rose
Durant
Lebron
Marcus


is in lead for Far

NYY09
01-09-2012, 12:11 PM
Wow, things must be slow to have an MVP thread 10 games into the season. I mean really...? 10 games in... :laugh2:

daleja424
01-09-2012, 12:57 PM
:facepalm:
You can't compare one playoff series to an entire career of choking.

Lebron is a career choker? Really?

The only person here that is basing their opinion on a small sample size here is YOU. Lebron has been one of the most clutch players every year in recent memory. You are allowing your memory to be clouded by one bad Dallas series (and forgetting how Lebron made clutch play after clutch play against Boston and Chicago).

Here is Lebron's crunch time numbers:
2008-2009: http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
2009-2010: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
2010-2011: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

notice how his worst year of the three he was still top five in the league. Also...notice how his FG%, rebounding rate, assist rate, scoring rate, FT%, blocking rate, steals rate, and 3pt% all go UP in crunch time except for last year where D-Wade was using up half the possessions.

To say that James is not clutch is to be completely ignorant of the facts.

SportsAndrew25
01-09-2012, 01:28 PM
Lebron has just been insane so far this year. There is no way he is going to lose.

bucketss
01-09-2012, 01:33 PM
:facepalm:

Lebron is a career choker? Really?

The only person here that is basing their opinion on a small sample size here is YOU. Lebron has been one of the most clutch players every year in recent memory. You are allowing your memory to be clouded by one bad Dallas series (and forgetting how Lebron made clutch play after clutch play against Boston and Chicago).

Here is Lebron's crunch time numbers:
2008-2009: http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
2009-2010: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
2010-2011: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

notice how his worst year of the three he was still top five in the league. Also...notice how his FG%, rebounding rate, assist rate, scoring rate, FT%, blocking rate, steals rate, and 3pt% all go UP in crunch time except for last year where D-Wade was using up half the possessions.

To say that James is not clutch is to be completely ignorant of the facts.


anytime lebron loses = choke to some of these people, thats how you know how high the pedestol hes put on, with their logic derrick rose has already choked three years in a row smh

OmahaDro
01-09-2012, 01:42 PM
Its LeBron. Its not even an argument at this point. (Though as the title say's "Thus Far")

Heat are whooping some arse. LeBron is averaging 30ppg- 8rpg -8apg- 2spg and playing really good Defense. Its not even a debate. Many of the people who think LeBron isnt the MVP thus far are just LeBron haters. I guarantee if the NBA players took a poll for MVP...75% would say LeBron. The other 25% would be for someone on their team.

kgformvp21
01-09-2012, 02:05 PM
Ridic that klove is barely talked about.ya there 3-5, but still to not say anything about klove is just dumb

Geargo Wallace
01-09-2012, 02:22 PM
Ridic that klove is barely talked about.ya there 3-5, but still to not say anything about klove is just dumb

Why would we bring up KLove in this thread?

kgformvp21
01-09-2012, 02:24 PM
Why would we bring up KLove in this thread?

ahhh mvp this far? he has to be in the conversation:confused:

Geargo Wallace
01-09-2012, 02:37 PM
ahhh mvp this far? he has to be in the conversation:confused:

You said that it's dumb not to bring up KLove. He's playing great but he's not in this conversation. Nobody's stats, or impact, even come close to LeBron's. Plus, it's an impossibility to have an MVP on a losing team. I love me some KLove, but MVP candidate is a real stretch.

kgformvp21
01-09-2012, 02:41 PM
I wouldnt call it a stretch, but alright!

lakerboy
01-09-2012, 02:49 PM
MVP so far is LBJ, but by the end of the year it's going to be KB or KD.

SeoulBeatz
01-09-2012, 03:06 PM
Kobe

beardown4243
01-09-2012, 03:11 PM
anytime lebron loses = choke to some of these people, thats how you know how high the pedestol hes put on, with their logic derrick rose has already choked three years in a row smh

All I'm saying is when it comes down to the last shot there are a lot of other players I would take over LBJ to have the ball in their hands...Derrick Rose being one of them.

bucketss
01-09-2012, 03:20 PM
All I'm saying is when it comes down to the last shot there are a lot of other players I would take over LBJ to have the ball in their hands...Derrick Rose being one of them.

you're bulls offcourse you would.

seikou8
01-09-2012, 03:31 PM
All I'm saying is when it comes down to the last shot there are a lot of other players I would take over LBJ to have the ball in their hands...Derrick Rose being one of them.

i take only one that is melo dont call me a homer

Heatcheck
01-10-2012, 09:45 AM
All I'm saying is when it comes down to the last shot there are a lot of other players I would take over LBJ to have the ball in their hands...Derrick Rose being one of them.

You saw the ECF?

meat_swag
01-14-2012, 07:35 AM
d rose

omdigga
01-14-2012, 10:09 AM
iman shumpert

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-14-2012, 10:43 AM
lebron and kobe

k.smith904
01-14-2012, 10:45 AM
emeka okafor

justinnum1
01-14-2012, 10:48 AM
All I'm saying is when it comes down to the last shot there are a lot of other players I would take over LBJ to have the ball in their hands...Derrick Rose being one of them.

We saw what happened last year when rose had the ball in his hands..

shrek
01-14-2012, 10:51 AM
Rose and Kobe

Robbw241
01-14-2012, 10:58 AM
Kris Humphries. Proving the h8ers(kardasihian fans) wrong

bovice163
01-14-2012, 11:01 AM
We saw what happened last year when rose had the ball in his hands..

It's funny how each and every Heat fan brings up the past, yet they haven't even done anything yet. I guess you'll grasp at straws to make yourselves feel better.

It's far and away Kobe right now, with Rose at 2nd, and LeBron at 3rd. Yes LBJ is posting ridiculous stats, but the Heat have lost 3 in a row now, largely due to the fact that he hasn't been taking over when it counts.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-14-2012, 12:34 PM
Through 13 games, leading the league in scoring, dominating in every aspect of the game, getting his teammates involved despite putting up a high volume of shots. Gotta be #24!

RLundi
01-14-2012, 12:40 PM
It's funny how each and every Heat fan brings up the past, yet they haven't even done anything yet. I guess you'll grasp at straws to make yourselves feel better.

It's far and away Kobe right now, with Rose at 2nd, and LeBron at 3rd. Yes LBJ is posting ridiculous stats, but the Heat have lost 3 in a row now, largely due to the fact that he hasn't been taking over when it counts.

I agree, Kobe is first easily. But Rose being second is laughable considering all the other players so far having incredible seasons.

1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Dwight
5. Rose

Badluck33
01-14-2012, 12:43 PM
I dont think Durant is. All he is doing is scoring.

Carmelo Anthony's stats almost mirrors Durants.

So is Melo an MVP candidate too?

RLundi
01-14-2012, 12:48 PM
I dont think Durant is. All he is doing is scoring.

Carmelo Anthony's stats almost mirrors Durants.

So is Melo an MVP candidate too?

Can't the same be said about Kobe?

The difference between Melo and Durant is the Thunder are 10-2 and have the second best record in the league.

bovice163
01-14-2012, 12:51 PM
I agree, Kobe is first easily. But Rose being second is laughable considering all the other players so far having incredible seasons.

1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Dwight
5. Rose

LeBron lost the last 3 because he couldn't finish in the 4th, so you better believe he is going to get knocked down by the media mostly. Dwight is having a good year, but again, Bulls have a better record, and that was the reason Rose won it last year. Durant is great, and probably the only one arguably ahead of Rose, but Westbrook is there again, and the Bulls and OKC are about equal in record.

Tony_Starks
01-14-2012, 12:53 PM
Kobe by a mile and then D Rose. What Kobe is doing is beyond ridiculous but being realistic I think Rose has a better chance of sustaining it all season from a individual and team level. As big as a Laker fan as I am I would have to imagine Kobe will come down to earth at some point. But who knows he IS Kobe with a chip on his shoulder.......

RLundi
01-14-2012, 12:59 PM
LeBron lost the last 3 because he couldn't finish in the 4th, so you better believe he is going to get knocked down by the media mostly. Dwight is having a good year, but again, Bulls have a better record, and that was the reason Rose won it last year. Durant is great, and probably the only one arguably ahead of Rose, but Westbrook is there again, and the Bulls and OKC are about equal in record.

Incorrect. Rose won it last year because he had a phenomenal season. He's having a good year but his scoring is down and hasn't had to do all of the heavy lifting thus far. Howard and Durant have both been better than Rose and their records are close enough to warrant the leap ahead of him so far. LeBron gets second because his numbers are extraordinary right now.

nickdymez
01-14-2012, 01:08 PM
If we are talking about right now, then kobe easily.

bovice163
01-14-2012, 01:08 PM
Incorrect. Rose won it last year because he had a phenomenal season. He's having a good year but his scoring is down and hasn't had to do all of the heavy lifting thus far. Howard and Durant have both been better than Rose and their records are close enough to warrant the leap ahead of him so far. LeBron gets second because his numbers are extraordinary right now.

That's fine, and it's your opinion. I'm not one to put all my eggs in one basket because of statistics, but I understand your position on the matter.

mamba24
01-14-2012, 01:10 PM
We saw what happened last year when rose had the ball in his hands..

we also what happened last yr when lebron had the ball in his hands lol...

Raph12
01-14-2012, 01:31 PM
1. Kobe - playing at a really high level, but can he continue to play big minutes and play at that high a level?
2. Lebron - what he's doing statistically trumps anything that's been done before, prior to this 3-game skid, it would be un-imaginable to not have him at #1
3. Durant - playing at a high level, has his team at the top of the WC
4. Dwight - playing at a very high level, has his team overachieving for 2nd in the EC
5. Rose - won last season, is doing the same things

Lakers4ItAll
01-14-2012, 01:36 PM
Kobe
Rose
Durant

Bullsfan22
01-14-2012, 01:38 PM
Kobe is ballin right now.

effen5
01-14-2012, 01:39 PM
Amazes me that Rose is in MVP talks again in his 4th year.

The kid is ridiculous.

effen5
01-14-2012, 01:40 PM
We saw what happened last year when rose had the ball in his hands..

Did you watch the finals?

justinnum1
01-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Did you watch the finals?

Yea, did you watch the conference finals?

strokeman
01-14-2012, 01:53 PM
Kobe

shep33
01-14-2012, 01:54 PM
Homer pick, but I'm going Kobe. I realized that if you took him off the Lakers this year, they probably would've won 1-2 games so far.

I have D-Rose next, guy is bananas as always.

effen5
01-14-2012, 01:56 PM
Yea, did you watch the conference finals?

So please stop. Both players struggled in the playoffs.

Federal Reserve
01-14-2012, 02:00 PM
The MVP award belongs to Durant, and it's not even close.

RLundi
01-14-2012, 02:05 PM
The MVP award belongs to Durant, and it's not even close.

:laugh2:

Dnovakovic099
01-14-2012, 02:07 PM
I am a Bulls fan:

1. Howard
2. Kobe
3. Durant/Rose/LeBron

I obviously would have LeBron at number one if the Heat didn't lose three in a row in which LeBron didn't play well in the 4th. (I only watched the Clippers game and the missed ft's is what I am talking about). Rose and Durant neither are on LeBron's level for the first three and a half quarters, but when "the undisputed best team and 2012 NBA champions" lose three games in a row you pretty much lose MVP talks for that week.

Also, I can't believe you guys aren't talking about Howard more. His stats are insane. He is the best defensive player in the league. The freaking Orlando Magic are winning!! Nobody can honestly tell me that Orlando without Howard would beat Chicago, LA, Miami, or OKC without their respective star.

Sofnr
01-14-2012, 02:07 PM
Kobe
Lebron
Rose
Durant
Howard

xBLAMEITON24x
01-14-2012, 02:07 PM
kobe

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-14-2012, 02:10 PM
Kobe
Howard
Rose
James
Durant

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-14-2012, 02:12 PM
I am a Bulls fan:

1. Howard
2. Kobe
3. Durant/Rose/LeBron

I obviously would have LeBron at number one if the Heat didn't lose three in a row in which LeBron didn't play well in the 4th. (I only watched the Clippers game and the missed ft's is what I am talking about). Rose and Durant neither are on LeBron's level for the first three and a half quarters, but when "the undisputed best team and 2012 NBA champions" lose three games in a row you pretty much lose MVP talks for that week.

Also, I can't believe you guys aren't talking about Howard more. His stats are insane. He is the best defensive player in the league. The freaking Orlando Magic are winning!! Nobody can honestly tell me that Orlando without Howard would beat Chicago, LA, Miami, or OKC without their respective star.

You say Howard's stats are insane, but they didn't blow up until his 45 pt 23 board outburst against Golden State 2 nights ago. Before that, his numbers as a #1 option on Orlando were almost identical to Andrew Bynum's numbers as a #3 option on the Lakers. Just thought I would point that out.

DoubleDragon
01-14-2012, 02:13 PM
I know it's early. But who do you think the top 3 MVP candidates are as of now?

Kobe
Durant
Howard

RLundi
01-14-2012, 02:14 PM
You say Howard's stats are insane, but they didn't blow up until his 45 pt 23 board outburst against Golden State 2 nights ago. Before that, his numbers as a #1 option on Orlando were almost identical to Andrew Bynum's numbers as a #3 option on the Lakers. Just thought I would point that out.

Oh boy, here we go again with this abject nonsense...

swirl54
01-14-2012, 02:14 PM
Paul George he is 6'10 maybe 6'11

justinnum1
01-14-2012, 02:15 PM
bynum and gasols numbers are nearly identical, except the rebounds, pretty neat

Federal Reserve
01-14-2012, 02:17 PM
You say Howard's stats are insane, but they didn't blow up until his 45 pt 23 board outburst against Golden State 2 nights ago. Before that, his numbers as a #1 option on Orlando were almost identical to Andrew Bynum's numbers as a #3 option on the Lakers. Just thought I would point that out.

If Bynum is putting up the same numbers as Howard, then nobody from the Lakers can win MVP if the top three players are that good.

Chi City23
01-14-2012, 02:18 PM
Kobe
Lebron/Rose/Dwight/Durant

You can make an argument for any of those 4 guys as the #2 right now. Lebron has the best stats of everyone but his 4th quarter woes and his team losing 3 in a row kind of hurt. I have a hard naming an MVP that can't even shoot 50% from the FT line and Durant has been good but not better than Kobe. And Rose needs to start games better and work on his shot selection.

Slimsim
01-14-2012, 02:19 PM
kobe

tredigs
01-14-2012, 02:20 PM
I am a Bulls fan:

1. Howard
2. Kobe
3. Durant/Rose/LeBron

I obviously would have LeBron at number one if the Heat didn't lose three in a row in which LeBron didn't play well in the 4th. (I only watched the Clippers game and the missed ft's is what I am talking about). Rose and Durant neither are on LeBron's level for the first three and a half quarters, but when "the undisputed best team and 2012 NBA champions" lose three games in a row you pretty much lose MVP talks for that week.

Also, I can't believe you guys aren't talking about Howard more. His stats are insane. He is the best defensive player in the league. The freaking Orlando Magic are winning!! Nobody can honestly tell me that Orlando without Howard would beat Chicago, LA, Miami, or OKC without their respective star.

The Magic have exactly 1 win against a +.500 team (Portland), and it was a total team effort. Dwight had 13/13/4 which is fine, but it went along with his 4 turnovers and 2/9 shooting from the line. The Magic will be a late playoff seed, and Dwight still has massive holes in his game (see: Can't pass, shoot or dribble at anything remotely close to an elite level). There's no chance Dwight should be MVP with this team and his holes.

85BearsDefense
01-14-2012, 02:20 PM
MVP always goes to a top 2 team in the league

So it's between Lebron Rose Kobe n Durant

I'll go Rose

justinnum1
01-14-2012, 02:22 PM
If rose were to win it again, the energy its going to take, he would be burnt out by the 2nd round.

LAKERS 24/7
01-14-2012, 02:28 PM
kobe right now

Chi City23
01-14-2012, 02:28 PM
If rose were to win it again, the energy its going to take, he would be burnt out by the 2nd round.

I would agree with you.

And you're sig is hilarious! Was that from last nights game?

justinnum1
01-14-2012, 02:29 PM
lol so winning an mvp = a second round exit ? okay

did i say that? all i said was i think he would be tired by the 2nd round unless thibs manages his minutes better. I respect that he goes all out when he's out there, but this condensed regular season is going to take a toll on guys. I want to see both teams 100% and ready for the ECF.

justinnum1
01-14-2012, 02:29 PM
I would agree with you.

And you're sig is hilarious! Was that from last nights game?

that was the clippers game after a horrible call

Chi City23
01-14-2012, 02:30 PM
kobe right now

You did a ninja edit didn't you? lol

Bruno
01-14-2012, 02:44 PM
James, Bryant, Durant and Rose have separated themselves from the rest of the pack 20% into the season. It's them then everyone else thus far.

dtmagnet
01-14-2012, 02:54 PM
Lebron has been pretty ridiculous, I'd have to say him.

Lakeshow24KB
01-14-2012, 03:09 PM
As of now, Lebron/Kobe. As of end of the season, Lebron. Kobe is freakishly good right now but he can't put up 40 every game since the crazy season and it will ware him down. Plus he's going to need to shoot a little less to make him more appealing to some people that are picky with shot selection. If lebron wins it, he won't win it by a land slide. Kobe, Howard, Rose, and Durant are all going to give him a long run for his money.

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 03:15 PM
Rose is the MVP until someone takes it from him. Bulls with the best record in the league as well.

Geargo Wallace
01-14-2012, 03:26 PM
Rose is the MVP until someone takes it from him. Bulls with the best record in the league as well.

Doesn't make much sense.

justinnum1
01-14-2012, 03:28 PM
Rose is the MVP until someone takes it from him. Bulls with the best record in the league as well.

You mean, until the next one is awarded?

raiderNlakerfan
01-14-2012, 03:30 PM
Wow kobe gettin no love smh...

IndiansFan337
01-14-2012, 03:36 PM
Rose is the MVP until someone takes it from him.

Kobe is doing his best to take it back. Even though Rose's team is flourishing, he will not win it again if his scoring stays down near 20-21 ppg. I understand that he has improved other areas of his game and they added Rip Hamilton to help take some of the offensive load, but voters love statistics...

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 03:45 PM
Lebron has been pretty ridiculous, I'd have to say him.

Not with the meltdowns lately in the 4th and definitely not with losing 3 in a row when you area already the favorites.

bbcmillionaire
01-14-2012, 03:47 PM
kobe or rose, rose if the bulls get the best record, kobe if he keep balling

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 03:48 PM
Kobe is doing his best to take it back. Even though Rose's team is flourishing, he will not win it again if his scoring stays down near 20-21 ppg. I understand that he has improved other areas of his game and they added Rip Hamilton to help take some of the offensive load, but voters love statistics...

He may be going for it, but he won't win it unless they overtake the Thunder. Lakers were already the #2 seed last year while the Thunder were the #4 seed. If the Thunder end up 1st, Kobe isnt going to finish ahead of Durant. Also if the Bulls finish 1st, then Lebron won't finish ahead of Rose. Also the Lakers have played 9 of it's first 13 at home, while the Bulls have played 9 of it's first 13 on the road.

Bruno
01-14-2012, 03:56 PM
He may be going for it, but he won't win it unless they overtake the Thunder. Lakers were already the #2 seed last year while the Thunder were the #4 seed. If the Thunder end up 1st, Kobe isnt going to finish ahead of Durant. Also if the Bulls finish 1st, then Lebron won't finish ahead of Rose. Also the Lakers have played 9 of it's first 13 at home, while the Bulls have played 9 of it's first 13 on the road.

true, but we were given that schedule because the league knew bynum would be suspended. LAL is 7-2 since bynums return.

Cool007
01-14-2012, 05:20 PM
IMO, it will be a 4-people race between Kobe/LeBron/Rose/Durant.

Whichever team has the best overall record, will win the MVP.

JNA17
01-14-2012, 05:24 PM
With the way Kobe is playing and the declining roster he has (beside Bynum) and the team now having a better record then the the damn Heat? Easy answer for me.

Denver-boy
01-14-2012, 05:30 PM
wtf. how did kobe not make #1, im sorry but the thread a joke with no logical debate

effen5
01-14-2012, 05:32 PM
I can careless if Rose wins it or not...what hes done thus far is incredible...we all know whats next on his agenda.

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 05:33 PM
With the way Kobe is playing and the declining roster he has (beside Bynum) and the team now having a better record then the the damn Heat? Easy answer for me.

I don't think a 17 and 14 and 16 and 10 players are declining when they have over 20+ PER. It doesn't really matter if LA has a better record than Miami because LA was a #2 seed last year with Miami with only a 1 game difference, Lakers have to have a better record than the Thunder in order for Kobe to have a chance to win it.

OC Knights #11
01-14-2012, 05:37 PM
Kobe Bryant is the MVP thus far. He is keeping the Lakers afloat right now. Lebron shouldn't win it because he plays with two of the best players in the league. Howard is a no because he has big mouth and is holding the Magic hostage.

Kobe
Durant
Love

effen5
01-14-2012, 05:40 PM
Kobe Bryant is the MVP thus far. He is keeping the Lakers afloat right now. Lebron shouldn't win it because he plays with two of the best players in the league. Howard is a no because he has big mouth and is holding the Magic hostage.

Kobe
Durant
Love

How do you even put Love on there?

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 05:43 PM
Kobe Bryant is the MVP thus far. He is keeping the Lakers afloat right now. Lebron shouldn't win it because he plays with two of the best players in the league. Howard is a no because he has big mouth and is holding the Magic hostage.

Kobe
Durant
Love

Doesn't mean he is the MVP. Lakers have had heavy home cooking thus far. They are only 1-3 on the road as well. Bulls are 7-2 on the road. Thunder are 5-1 on the road. Right now with the Heat losing 3 in a row, I see it as Rose, Durant, Kobe, Lebron, Dwight. And I see them all 5 in that order this year unless the Mavs turned it around which they have been doing lately.

Raph12
01-14-2012, 05:47 PM
You say Howard's stats are insane, but they didn't blow up until his 45 pt 23 board outburst against Golden State 2 nights ago. Before that, his numbers as a #1 option on Orlando were almost identical to Andrew Bynum's numbers as a #3 option on the Lakers. Just thought I would point that out.

Wrong, the only reason why you think that is because you have very weak analytical skills.

Dwight's numbers looked similar to Bynum's because you were looking at three things, ppg-rpg-bpg (18-14-2 for both). Now you look deeper and see that Dwight was shooting 59% while Bynum shot 51% (despite being that third option); then you look at the passing numbers, 2.2apg-3tpg to 0.8apg-3tpg (avging 3tpg as the third option yet rarely passing); then you look at their production in the post, with Bynum shooting 43.4% and Dwight shooting near 55% on the block; then you look at the steals difference 1.4spg to 0.6spg; factor in that he's significantly better in the pnr, guards smaller players better, alters many more shots and nearly never misses a defensive assignment and it isn't close.

By the way, before that "breakout game" of 45-23-3-4-2, Bynum had a higher USG rate than Dwight, destroying your "#1 vs #3 option" arguement. Dwight hasn't gotten the ball nearly as much as he used to in the past, the game against GS was the first this season where Dwight got that many looks (wouldn't even have happened if MJ didn't go to the "Hack-a-Dwight").

My point is, before you start throwing your "fictional facts" out there, do some research, because stats go beyond the basic "per game" nowadays.

numba1CHANGsta
01-14-2012, 05:50 PM
Its Kobe then Howard then Rose and then Durant

Cano4prez
01-14-2012, 06:04 PM
It's still LeBron

IndiansFan337
01-14-2012, 06:08 PM
He may be going for it, but he won't win it unless they overtake the Thunder. Lakers were already the #2 seed last year while the Thunder were the #4 seed. If the Thunder end up 1st, Kobe isnt going to finish ahead of Durant. Also if the Bulls finish 1st, then Lebron won't finish ahead of Rose. Also the Lakers have played 9 of it's first 13 at home, while the Bulls have played 9 of it's first 13 on the road.

I don't expect Kobe to win it. He will slow down with the compacted schedule and his injuries. But right now he certainly is playing like a MVP.

I just don't see Rose repeating. Durant will get a lot of love for the award this year.

LeBron is the best player in the NBA, but if they don't finish with the top record in the NBA he has no shot at winning the MVP again...Unless serious injuries strike Wade and/or Bosh.

LA_Raiders
01-14-2012, 06:20 PM
Kobe
Howard
Durant
LeBroom
Rose

amos1er
01-14-2012, 06:44 PM
I don't think a 17 and 14 and 16 and 10 players are declining when they have over 20+ PER. It doesn't really matter if LA has a better record than Miami because LA was a #2 seed last year with Miami with only a 1 game difference, Lakers have to have a better record than the Thunder in order for Kobe to have a chance to win it.

lol...its so funny that it has come down to the teams record in deciding the Most Valuable "PLAYER". Its highly illogical to base an individuals award on a teams performance. If you want to do that, they should create another award and call it the best team leader award. What a joke the MVP award in the NBA has become.

In 2003 the league decided to alter the criteria of this award so that they could justify ****ing over Kobe Bryant. No longer would the MVP go to the best player in the league, it would go to the best player on the best team that has no other top 10 players on it. In 2003 they said since the Spurs had the best record in the league, and since Kobe had Shaq on his team, the award should go to Duncan. Even though Kobe had one of the best statistical years in NBA history and lead the Lakers to a 50+ win season with Shaq injured most of the year. Never mind that the Spurs were a much deeper team than the Lakers that year if you look at the roster three through fifteen. Shaq may have been better than the second best player on the Spurs, but he was injured most of the season and the Spurs had the better all around team.

In 2006 the NBA then went back to their propaganda of giving the award to the "best player" on the best team. The Suns were not the best team, and did not have close to the best record, but since they placed as a 2nd seed with an injured Amare, they gave Nash back to back awards instead to giving the award to the best player in the league who also put up a historical NBA season that will never be repeated. Only Jordan had equal or better season than Kobe had that year and when he had seasons that good, he won the MVP every time.

The MVP has become a farce and a media tool to promote marketing for players the NBA wants to make money off of. Stern proved that he has dubious interests when he waived the Chris Paul trade this year. He has proven time and time again that he will be as unfair as necessary in the name of profits. Remember when sports used to be about the best man winning? Those days are long gone thanks to the corruption of David Stern.

lakerfan4life!!
01-14-2012, 06:50 PM
kobe alll day he is one of if the not the greatest ever!

nickdymez
01-14-2012, 06:51 PM
It's still LeBron

Why? Cuz your a Heat fan?

NBAfan4life
01-14-2012, 06:59 PM
You could give it to anyone the stars on Chi, LA, Mia, OKC, or even Phi.

Lebrons numbers are still absurd but kobe and Durant have a strong case. What rose is doing right now would never allow him to be a back to back MVP unless his numbers improve.

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-14-2012, 07:00 PM
kobe alll day he is one of if the not the greatest ever!

#kobesystem

49erGiantLaker
01-14-2012, 07:05 PM
Kobe
Howard
Durant

The Final Boss
01-14-2012, 07:14 PM
Kolby.

JordansBulls
01-14-2012, 07:36 PM
lol...its so funny that it has come down to the teams record in deciding the Most Valuable "PLAYER". Its highly illogical to base an individuals award on a teams performance. If you want to do that, they should create another award and call it the best team leader award. What a joke the MVP award in the NBA has become.

In 2003 the league decided to alter the criteria of this award so that they could justify ****ing over Kobe Bryant. No longer would the MVP go to the best player in the league, it would go to the best player on the best team that has no other top 10 players on it. In 2003 they said since the Spurs had the best record in the league, and since Kobe had Shaq on his team, the award should go to Duncan. Even though Kobe had one of the best statistical years in NBA history and lead the Lakers to a 50+ win season with Shaq injured most of the year. Never mind that the Spurs were a much deeper team than the Lakers that year if you look at the roster three through fifteen. Shaq may have been better than the second best player on the Spurs, but he was injured most of the season and the Spurs had the better all around team.

In 2006 the NBA then went back to their propaganda of giving the award to the "best player" on the best team. The Suns were not the best team, and did not have close to the best record, but since they placed as a 2nd seed with an injured Amare, they gave Nash back to back awards instead to giving the award to the best player in the league who also put up a historical NBA season that will never be repeated. Only Jordan had equal or better season than Kobe had that year and when he had seasons that good, he won the MVP every time.

The MVP has become a farce and a media tool to promote marketing for players the NBA wants to make money off of. Stern proved that he has dubious interests when he waived the Chris Paul trade this year. He has proven time and time again that he will be as unfair as necessary in the name of profits. Remember when sports used to be about the best man winning? Those days are long gone thanks to the corruption of David Stern.


Is this supposed to be funny? Duncan led the league in Win Shares and was 3rd in PER. Shaq had a better PER than Kobe in 2003 as well and Kobe was 5th in Win Shares. Not to mention the Lakers were 5-10 that year when Shaq was out and started something like 12-19 that season. Not only that but the Spurs only had 1 allstar that year and ended up with the best record in the league and won it all while Duncan won league and finals mvp and dethroned the Lakers in the process. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Duncan getting MVP that year as he earned it.
Now 2006 you certainly have a case, because I don't think Nash should have gotten it, if anyone else deserved it to me it would have been Dirk or Kobe. Dirk however led the Mavs to 60 wins and made the finals but also led the team in PER, Win Shares and WS/PER 48 minutes with no other allstar on the team.

basketfan4life
01-14-2012, 07:45 PM
Kobe or Lebron, give it to one of them and i'm fine.

theheatles
01-14-2012, 07:52 PM
Kobe or Lebron, give it to one of them and i'm fine.

agree

MetroMan
01-14-2012, 10:49 PM
After 11-13 games. MVP should be either Durant, Rose, or Dwights

PacersForLife
01-14-2012, 11:10 PM
At this point as much as I hate to say it, it should be Kobe.

ldawg
01-14-2012, 11:50 PM
Rose,Kobe or Lebron in that order.

PacersForLife
01-14-2012, 11:55 PM
Rose,Kobe or Lebron in that order.

I like Rose as a player, but I doubt he wins another MVP for awhile.

bears88
01-14-2012, 11:58 PM
I like Rose as a player, but I doubt he wins another MVP for awhile.

that maybe true, but Rose still needs that finals MVP trophy :p;)

Federal Reserve
01-15-2012, 12:38 AM
Like I said, wake me up when Kobe puts up 40 against a good defense. He is getting shut down by the Clippers. There is no way he deserves to win MVP. He has been getting bailed out by Bynum in most of the games.

Afridi786
01-15-2012, 12:59 AM
Yea...Lebron easily if Heat are 1-2 seed, too bad he's not a closer tho.

bulldog312
01-15-2012, 01:35 AM
Lebron is certainly putting up the best numbers, but it becomes a very interesting discussion if the Heat don't win the East or very close to it. It's hard to give it to a player when he is playing alongside 2 other superstars and still can't lead his team to the best record. That's when even if they have superior numbers, guys like Durant, Rose, or Bryant can become a more attractive option if they lead their team to the best record.

Glenfidish
01-15-2012, 01:40 AM
kobe

Glenfidish
01-15-2012, 01:47 AM
Like I said, wake me up when Kobe puts up 40 against a good defense. He is getting shut down by the Clippers. There is no way he deserves to win MVP. He has been getting bailed out by Bynum in most of the games.

kobe plays more team oriented basketball now in his career. For kobe it's not a matter of putting up 40+ a game but more so getting your team involved. The last 3-4 games kobe has noticed that despite having tried to get teamates involved nothing was happening so he took it upon himself to score and lead the team. This alone shows his mvp characteristics. A man who knows when to turn it up and when to tone it down. A man who has been there several times like the great jordan. A man not named lebron who has a billion miles to still walk and show when it matters. As an MVP your duty is to carry your team in all aspects of the game. It's not an MVP's duty to please the crowd, give spectacular dunks, hog the ball, and look over your shoulder to see if you will get bailed out by wade. Kobe looks over no shoulders he is the man.

basketfan4life
01-15-2012, 02:17 AM
He is getting shut down by the Clippers.

dropping 42 on %50 fg is getting shot down. GTFO.

Jenceman
01-15-2012, 02:20 AM
The troll loses ^

BKdoubleStacker
01-15-2012, 02:36 AM
Like I said, wake me up when Kobe puts up 40 against a good defense. He is getting shut down by the Clippers. There is no way he deserves to win MVP. He has been getting bailed out by Bynum in most of the games.

call me when you decide to stop being an annoying troll...

how does that crow taste?

Hey I forgot, what time do the jets play? oh wait...

Law25
01-15-2012, 05:02 AM
dropping 42 on %50 fg is getting shot down. GTFO.

:clap: Yes sir! I believe this is called FACE!!! LOL

shep33
01-15-2012, 05:36 AM
So what? His stats mean nothing since he lost the game. This is especially true since he is the leader and carrier of the team. He allowed his team to lose, so I don't really care what the stats say.

If you want to go by leading his team to wins, then Kobe should have 3-4 MVPs by now.

abe_froman
01-15-2012, 05:51 AM
its gotta be kobe

fredv
01-15-2012, 06:11 AM
Kyle Lowry :D

theheatles
01-15-2012, 06:27 AM
L OH ****ING L at anyone saying rose over LeBron...29.5 ppg on .578 fg% vs rose at 20.8 ppg on .439 fg%

plus that whole thing that LeBron plays defense and is the most important defensive piece to an elite defensive squad

Baller1
01-15-2012, 06:33 AM
Ummm... You can assume it's bias all you want, but the MVP right now is Durant.

Top record in the West while maintaining similar numbers to Kobe, and far better numbers than Rose (considering Chicago's success).

1. Durant
2. Kobe
3. Lebron
4. Rose
5. Dwight

dodie53
01-15-2012, 07:08 AM
lebron james thus far

Raidaz4Life
01-15-2012, 07:28 AM
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Dwight

in that order

JordansBulls
01-15-2012, 07:56 AM
Definitely not when the Lakers are now 1-4 on the road.

Bruno
01-15-2012, 08:08 AM
Definitely not when the Lakers are now 1-4 on the road.

mvp voters don't differentiate. overall record and playoff positioning is where it's at.

JordansBulls
01-15-2012, 08:11 AM
mvp voters don't differentiate. overall record and playoff positioning is where it's at.
True but LA is 5th in the west now and as you can see have not played good on the road. Like I mentioned before, this will probably come down to Durant or Rose considering where the Bulls and Thunder may finish. If the Bulls beat out the Heat again for the #1 seed, I can see Rose getting it again.

Bruno
01-15-2012, 08:49 AM
True but LA is 5th in the west now and as you can see have not played good on the road. Like I mentioned before, this will probably come down to Durant or Rose considering where the Bulls and Thunder may finish. If the Bulls beat out the Heat again for the #1 seed, I can see Rose getting it again.

i think it's safe to say that the mvp will go to the player with the team with the highest seating/record out of LBJ, Rose, Bryant and KD.

what will be interesting is if the leaders at the top of the two different conferences are close in record and in numbers. like if lbj and durants teams finish with near equal record and statistics, or if kobe and roses do, or any combination of those four.

DR_1
01-15-2012, 11:16 AM
Kobe, Rose or Durant

JordansBulls
01-15-2012, 11:25 AM
i think it's safe to say that the mvp will go to the player with the team with the highest seating/record out of LBJ, Rose, Bryant and KD.

what will be interesting is if the leaders at the top of the two different conferences are close in record and in numbers. like if lbj and durants teams finish with near equal record and statistics, or if kobe and roses do, or any combination of those four.

I agree, but it looks like the Thunder will run away with the best record this year in the west. If they have a 2 game lead over anyone out west I think Durant is no worse than 2nd in the MVP voting, the same with Rose in the east.

NBAfan4life
01-15-2012, 11:38 AM
I just don't see how Rose stands a chance to win if he continues to score 21 on .439 shooting.

KD as of now LBJ Kobe and Howard on his heels.

mdm692
01-15-2012, 11:39 AM
Kobe will run away with the award if he keeps this up

BcEuAbRsS
01-15-2012, 11:43 AM
Durant... I don't feel that Rose has played well enough... And if the Heat fail to get the #1 seed again then I don't feel Lebron should get it either...

Bullsfan22
01-15-2012, 11:44 AM
Rose will pick up his scoring percentages as the season continues. I just want him to continue to distribute the ball like he's doing.

Actually scratch that his overall more efficient than last year Atm. On top of that he's playing ELITE level defense.

basketfan4life
01-15-2012, 12:58 PM
So what? His stats mean nothing since he lost the game. This is especially true since he is the leader and carrier of the team. He allowed his team to lose, so I don't really care what the stats say.

i didn't say it means something, i just referred to that post cause there is no getting shut down... but your point of view amazed me.

JordansBulls
01-15-2012, 01:06 PM
Kobe will run away with the award if he keeps this up

No he won't. Especially if the Lakers don't improve from last year's mark.

Baller1
01-15-2012, 02:16 PM
Rose is struggling (compared to last season at least), but his advanced statistics are still extremely solid. Top 5 in win shares is nice.

But with that said, he's not performing nearly as well as he was last season, and that alone would prevent him from getting it at this point in time. Luckily he's got about 50 games to bump his numbers up, so he'll be right there at the end of the season.

As of now, I'd have to keep it at:

1. Durant
2. Kobe
3. Lebron
4. Rose
5. Dwight

Jenceman
01-15-2012, 03:48 PM
I agree, but it looks like the Thunder will run away with the best record this year in the west. If they have a 2 game lead over anyone out west I think Durant is no worse than 2nd in the MVP voting, the same with Rose in the east.

The Lakers also have played game after game after game. They're an old team, a little bit of rest will benefit them.

ChiBulls91
01-15-2012, 03:56 PM
The Lakers also have played game after game after game. They're an old team, a little bit of rest will benefit them.

Im sorry but you're not allowed to use the schedule as an excuse. Every single team has a ridiculously tough schedule. The bulls for example just had 9 games in 12 nights.

jmaest
01-15-2012, 04:28 PM
Im sorry but you're not allowed to use the schedule as an excuse. Every single team has a ridiculously tough schedule. The bulls for example just had 9 games in 12 nights.

100% agreed.

And Rose will finish better. The offense isn't settled yet, as we're all seeing. Hell last night Thibs threw Lucas in there so Rose could slide to the 2. (Of course Lucas wound up sliding to the 2 but you get the point.)

Rip has only played 5 games this year and Rose is definitely over-trying to pass more and get the other guys involved. As we've seen this season, though, when it's time to take over, he does and he's been finishing everywhere we've needed him to. So I'm not worried bout DRose.

Having said that, IMO, the MVP this season is *going* to be Steve Nash. The league is eating up his assist totals and Phoenix is playing well so far this season. With his age and all that, he steals the award...

DaBear
01-15-2012, 05:32 PM
Rose deserves some credit. The Bulls are again dealing with injuries, Noah and Boozer are struggling, and Rose is still carrying the Bulls to victories. His defense has improved tremendously.