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MetroMan
01-04-2012, 12:12 AM
Well, we finally got to see what this kid is about. So far so good. He has lead cleveland to a better record than dallas (unbelievable) . He is only 19 and looks very promising. Good for the cavs.

Gram
01-04-2012, 12:17 AM
Lol Kyle Irving ahahahaha.

Dolfan305
01-04-2012, 12:18 AM
maybe you should learn what his first name is before analyzing him

NSJ
01-04-2012, 12:18 AM
Travis Thompsans looking pretty solid too.

On a serious note though, he has played pretty well so far, but I'm interested to see what happens when he's matched up with a pg that's an elite defender.

Gram
01-04-2012, 12:22 AM
Maybe Kyle Irving can help Cleveland fans forget about LeBrownie Jamie?

Becks2307
01-04-2012, 12:32 AM
lolol

anyway

yep kyrie has been a beast thus far, good for the cavs

Dolfan305
01-04-2012, 12:33 AM
Kyle Irving>Lejackson James

jimbobjarree
01-04-2012, 12:33 AM
kyle who?

jimbobjarree
01-04-2012, 12:33 AM
Kyle Irving>Lejackson James

I'm with this guy

Gators123
01-04-2012, 12:39 AM
Phil George is 6'10.

gaughan333
01-04-2012, 12:40 AM
he's still not as good as Darrel rose

GhostfaceDrilla
01-04-2012, 12:41 AM
Phil George is 6'10.

I don't know about that.... but Paul George is 6'10!

Slimsim
01-04-2012, 12:44 AM
NBA forum full of trolls. I can understand if 1 poster troll but seems like everyone want to follow.

Il Mago50
01-04-2012, 12:44 AM
Arriany Celeste. That is all.

GoPacers33
01-04-2012, 12:44 AM
Kyle Lowry + Kyrie Irving = Kyle Irving

jimbobjarree
01-04-2012, 12:46 AM
NBA forum full of trolls. I can understand if 1 poster troll but seems like everyone want to follow.

I feel so sorry that you've just noticed the nba forum is just a bag of wank

then again you are from the knicks forum, so it must all be much of a muchness for you

Cal827
01-04-2012, 12:46 AM
Kyle Korver + Julius Irving= Kyle Irving
Mike Jordan + Lebron James= Mike James

Back to the point, yeah he looks good. Hopefully for Cleveland he remains constant.

pd1dish
01-04-2012, 12:49 AM
Lol Kyle Irving ahahahaha.

lol at you dumbass

Kyrie******

Il Mago50
01-04-2012, 12:51 AM
Ben Gordon + Shelvin Mack + Chancey Billups - Andrea Bargnani +Lamar Odom sans Lamar + "Bo"

=

BISMACK MOTHER****IN BIYOMBO

UPRock
01-04-2012, 01:02 AM
Kyle Irving is not even playing for the CAVS, so you're full of lies!!!!!

znick21
01-04-2012, 01:02 AM
hahaha! dude from now on kyrie irving must be referred to as kyle irving on psd for the rest of his career. too funny.

coming from a huge kyrie supporter.

JIDsanity
01-04-2012, 01:04 AM
Kyle Korver + Julius Irving= Kyle Irving
Mike Jordan + Lebron James= Mike James

Back to the point, yeah he looks good. Hopefully for Cleveland he remains constant.

Win

Gram
01-04-2012, 01:04 AM
lol at you dumbass

Kyrie******

Lol why am I a dumbass?

NSJ
01-04-2012, 01:11 AM
You spelled his name wrong brah

MetroMan
01-04-2012, 01:18 AM
fkn spell check

Beltrans Mole
01-04-2012, 01:23 AM
Kyrie Minogue is a great singer.

ramz.n
01-04-2012, 01:36 AM
how can you blame spell check..you should know his name if your going to make a thread about the guy.

Slimsim
01-04-2012, 01:49 AM
I feel so sorry that you've just noticed the nba forum is just a bag of wank

then again you are from the knicks forum, so it must all be much of a muchness for you

Knicks forum is chaotic ATM. I mean we have a trade Amare thread

xbrackattackx
01-04-2012, 01:52 AM
I love lamp.

Bulls_fan90
01-04-2012, 02:12 AM
Nicolas Cage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8)

ChurcH
01-04-2012, 02:13 AM
John Wall.

ClippersE.G
01-04-2012, 02:20 AM
I have seen the Cavs team and wow...this guy deserves come credit

bears88
01-04-2012, 02:22 AM
he's still not as good as Darrel rose

Jalen Rose you mean :p;)

FUKudomeYOMOMMA
01-04-2012, 02:35 AM
jimmer reddick

Dilbert456
01-04-2012, 02:44 AM
he's lead the cavs to a better record than the mavs in the first 5 games

mike 810
01-04-2012, 03:15 AM
brandon knight is better i know the cavs won but knight won the head to head matchup both are beast tho. Knight has a better jump shot, is a lil quicker but irving is more krafty and more aggressive.

cmstophe
01-04-2012, 12:39 PM
brandon knight is better i know the cavs won but knight won the head to head matchup both are beast tho. Knight has a better jump shot, is a lil quicker but irving is more krafty and more aggressive.

Knight has a better jumpshot? Really? Judging by their careers, this is totally untrue.

Meaze_Gibson
01-04-2012, 01:24 PM
He looked good last night. Getting confident and comfortable. With that said, Rubio and Knight always seem confident and comfortable too. Good potential pgs we have here

prodigy
01-04-2012, 01:25 PM
brandon knight is better i know the cavs won but knight won the head to head matchup both are beast tho. Knight has a better jump shot, is a lil quicker but irving is more krafty and more aggressive.

They rarely convered each other though.

MetroMan
01-04-2012, 07:52 PM
Kyrie Irving outplaying John Wall

Irving: 14.6 pts/5.6 asts/ 45% FG /46% 3FG.

Wall: 13.8 pts/6.8 asts/ 31% FG/ 0% 3FG

MetroMan
01-16-2012, 10:35 PM
Irving ON FIRE for a rook.

17.7 points a game.

.473 FIeld goal percentage

.400 3 Point percentage

.892 Free throws


O yeah and he brought cavs to a solid 6-6 record thus far. And they are ahead of Boston and Knicks in the eastern playoff ranking. Bet no one would ever thought this would happen

Rookie of the year
:clap:

Cal827
01-16-2012, 10:53 PM
Kyrie Irving outplaying John Wall

Irving: 14.6 pts/5.6 asts/ 45% FG /46% 3FG.

Wall: 13.8 pts/6.8 asts/ 31% FG/ 0% 3FG

:facepalm: :facepalm:

Bulls_fan90
01-16-2012, 10:53 PM
Better than Rubio.

blastmasta26
01-16-2012, 11:53 PM
He's been playing well for Cleveland, but I haven't seen him much. What does his ceiling look like?

RenegadeRiot36
01-17-2012, 12:11 AM
He already scores almost effortlessly, with an offensive skill set rare for a rookie let alone a 19 year old. Extremely high basketball IQ, and distributes well, but time will only make it easier as he matures a little. Hes also solid defensively, but could use a little work more work. Id say the skys the limit right now.

cmstophe
01-17-2012, 01:15 AM
He's been playing well for Cleveland, but I haven't seen him much. What does his ceiling look like?

Consistent All-Star/Top 3 point guard in the game, I'd say.

I haven't been this impressed with a rookie in a long time. Truth is, his assist #s are quite a bit lower than they should be. His teammates are awful for the most part. Some of his plays where he weaves into the defense and scores almost effortlessly (as the above poster said) just make my jaw drop. His defense and conditioning need some work, but BOTH are already noticeably better than when the season started.

I don't know if he's going to be as good as Chris Paul or Derrick Rose, but I wager that his ceiling is somewhat around there.

RenegadeRiot36
01-27-2012, 11:07 PM
Today he really showed something that no other rookie has, the ability to single-handedly take over the game. He scored 21 in the 4th to put his total to 32 for the day.

Hustlenomics
01-27-2012, 11:13 PM
clearly the rookie of the year so far

Arch Stanton
01-27-2012, 11:30 PM
He played really well tonight. I hope he keeps playing well and I hope the Cavs keep losing. They're currently tied for 8th in the East. They need to play worse.

11tg635
01-27-2012, 11:40 PM
Mad skills dropped 32

topdog
01-27-2012, 11:46 PM
clearly the rookie of the year so far

Over Rubio? 5th in the league in assists?! Not me...

Hellcrooner
01-27-2012, 11:55 PM
Better than Rubio.

in your dreams, rubio is DOUBLING his asists per game, last time i checked they are Point Guards.

kjoke
01-27-2012, 11:58 PM
Wayy better than Rubio.

topdog
01-27-2012, 11:59 PM
Wayy better than Rubio.

In which ways? Scoring? Yeah. Assists? No. Steals? No. Wins? No. Changing the culture of a team? No.

topdog
01-28-2012, 12:01 AM
Btw, I'm not trying to turn this into an Irving vs Rubio thread. They both deserve their due. But I will argue vehemently with anyone who says that Irving is better than Rubio by any considerable margin.

kjoke
01-28-2012, 12:02 AM
In which ways? Scoring? Yeah. Assists? No. Steals? No. Wins? No. Changing the culture of a team? No.

Better jumpshot, quicker better defender, and most importantly, I think he can be the face of a franchise much like CP3. I don''t see that in rubio.

The 'wayy better' part was just to troll hellcrooner

Hellcrooner
01-28-2012, 12:04 AM
Better jumpshot, quicker better defender No, and most importantly, I think he can be the face of a franchise much like CP3 NO. I don''t see that in rubio ( he is starting to win fans over love).

The 'wayy better' part was just to troll hellcrooner

this

kyrie only has one thing on rubio, wich is scoring, the rest is ALL in favour of rubio.

beasted86
01-28-2012, 12:09 AM
Both rookies have been good, but Irving has clearly been playing better than Rubio so far. It's still early so things may change, but all you really have to do is look at their stats and it should be clear as day.

Hellcrooner
01-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Both rookies have been good, but Irving has clearly been playing better than Rubio so far. It's still early so things may change, but all you really have to do is look at their stats and it should be clear as day.

the stat that says wolves are doing pretty good in a MUCH heavier conference?

The stat that says rubio is better at EVERY thing but scoring?

the stat that has rubio leading THE LEAGUE in steals¿

The stat that says rubio has many more double doubls?

The stat that has rubio in the top 5 passers in the LEAGUE?

the stat that says when rubio is on court wolves score 12 more points per 100 posesions?

the stat that says when rubio is on court woves receive like 15 less points?

the stat that says Rubio has been clutch as hell in the 4th quarters?


yeah clearly.

there are more stats after ppg you know?

Kyrie is good, Rubio is a beast.

beasted86
01-28-2012, 12:22 AM
Good for you, but seriously, I meant what I said...

All it takes is a look at their stats, it's really clear as day Irving has played better. If anyone wants to pull the homer card or intangibles, I'm okay with that. But if you look at their stats only and say that Rubio has been better than Irving, you are deficient in comprehending basketball statistics.

topdog
01-28-2012, 12:33 AM
Am I looking at the wrong NBA.com? lol

daricoliver
01-28-2012, 12:52 AM
Not that any one cares, but I will give my take for what its worth on the Rubio Irving debate. Clearly, Irving is a better scorer and better shooter and distance shooter, averaging 6 PPG more and playing 5 minutes less per game. With that being said, Rubio has far more steals than Irving and far more assists. He averages 2 more steals per game and almost 4 assists more per game. Both teams are playing far better with the rookies in the line up. Since it is the point guard position, Rubio's numbers are just staggering, his stat line is sick. 11.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 8.7 APG, 2.6 SPG. You would like that from a top tier point guard in the league and Rubio is that. The PPG will come up too, he's got a nice stroke. Irving is a nice player, but advantage Rubio.

For the record, I am not a fan of either team, just an unbiased observer

Hellcrooner
01-28-2012, 12:56 AM
Am I looking at the wrong NBA.com? lol

probably....

Irving: 17,5 ppg 3.4 rpg o.8 spg 4.8 apg 3,3 topg
Rubio : 11.5 ppg 4.6 rpg 2.4 spg 8.8 apg 3,4 topg

irving points scored :317 in 328 atempts = 0.96 points per attempt

rubio points scored : 217 in 181 atempts = 1,19 points per attempt means he is much wiser in choosing when to shoot, even if a worst shooter.

irving added stat: (p+r+a+st+bl-to) 23, 7

Rubio Added stat : 24,1

yeah ....we only need to look at stats to check irivng being better :rolleyes: love the whoopoing 0.1 less t o per game :D

CeeDub15
01-28-2012, 12:57 AM
lol, what stats are showing you that Irving is "clearly better" than Rubio beasted?

Gritz
01-28-2012, 01:03 AM
Lol

topdog
01-28-2012, 01:10 AM
Not that any one cares, but I will give my take for what its worth on the Rubio Irving debate. Clearly, Irving is a better scorer and better shooter and distance shooter, averaging 6 PPG more and playing 5 minutes less per game. With that being said, Rubio has far more steals than Irving and far more assists. He averages 2 more steals per game and almost 4 assists more per game. Both teams are playing far better with the rookies in the line up. Since it is the point guard position, Rubio's numbers are just staggering, his stat line is sick. 11.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 8.7 APG, 2.6 SPG. You would like that from a top tier point guard in the league and Rubio is that. The PPG will come up too, he's got a nice stroke. Irving is a nice player, but advantage Rubio.

For the record, I am not a fan of either team, just an unbiased observer

People do care when it's a quality post such as yours i.e. you used facts to back up your argument.

Hawkeye15
01-28-2012, 01:27 AM
Not that any one cares, but I will give my take for what its worth on the Rubio Irving debate. Clearly, Irving is a better scorer and better shooter and distance shooter, averaging 6 PPG more and playing 5 minutes less per game. With that being said, Rubio has far more steals than Irving and far more assists. He averages 2 more steals per game and almost 4 assists more per game. Both teams are playing far better with the rookies in the line up. Since it is the point guard position, Rubio's numbers are just staggering, his stat line is sick. 11.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 8.7 APG, 2.6 SPG. You would like that from a top tier point guard in the league and Rubio is that. The PPG will come up too, he's got a nice stroke. Irving is a nice player, but advantage Rubio.

For the record, I am not a fan of either team, just an unbiased observer

meh, I care, I think you used a good amount of logic here, even if I hate per game numbers.

otwisted
01-28-2012, 01:28 AM
he's still not as good as Darrel rose

The best young player is still Calvin Durant. :D

cbreezy34
01-28-2012, 01:32 AM
My biggest argument as to why Kyrie is having the better season would be the lack of talent around vs. the talent Rubio has. While neither may be staggering rubio atleast has K love, D Williams, Beasley, etc. Either way both are having incredible seasons... let's just enjoy it. Im a Duke fan and can't say im suprised be this... Kyrie has incredible quickness, a high IQ for a 19 year old and some sick handles.

dee279
01-28-2012, 01:38 AM
Kyle Lowry + Kyrie Irving = Kyle Irving

Well that would be a really good pg with that combination

MetroMan
01-28-2012, 01:39 AM
kyrie is 2 years younger. Also plays 5 minutes less. Only averaging 3 less assists

Cavs are a less talented team compared to wolves.

He also scorches rubio in field percentage

Pat Thetic
01-28-2012, 01:39 AM
The best young player is still Calvin Durant. :D

Can't forget about Jake Griffin, he's up there as well...

Hellcrooner
01-28-2012, 01:41 AM
kyrie is 2 years younger. Also plays 5 minutes less. Only averaging 3 less assists

Cavs are a less talented team compared to wolves.

He also scorches rubio in field percentage

4 less asists.

check my post , nba.com is not yet updated with tonights games

FriedTofuz
01-28-2012, 01:42 AM
The cavs looked like they may have tanked last year and were blessed to get the 1st overall pick. It it rather impresive, they are a borderline playoff team in the east, maybe lebron may play the cavs in the playoffs? :

LakersIn5
01-28-2012, 01:50 AM
at the start of the season i was a hater and bashed irving alot saying that he sucks but now it has regressed. irving proved me a lil bit wrong. but id still take rubio over him.

MetroMan
01-28-2012, 01:51 AM
4 less asists.

check my post , nba.com is not yet updated with tonights games

You must admit for a 19 year old he is INCREDIBLE. Rubio is 21 and his court vision is INCREDIBLE. Remember that when Rubio was drafted he did not feel like he can compete in the NBA as much as he wanted to, so he did the SMART move by waiting and developing more. Perhaps in 2 years Irving will catch up to his court vision.

regardless, as of today. Kyrie's shooting is excellent at nearly .500 ,While Rubio is at .390.



I will take Irving over Rubio.

kjoke
01-28-2012, 01:58 AM
This is reminiscent of the young rose vs rondo debate back in the day. One was a better scorer and the other was a better passer could steal the ball.

FriedTofuz
01-28-2012, 02:08 AM
kyrie is 2 years younger. Also plays 5 minutes less. Only averaging 3 less assists

Cavs are a less talented team compared to wolves.

He also scorches rubio in field percentage

only 3? thats significant.

RenegadeRiot36
01-28-2012, 02:31 AM
Comparing Irving to Rubio is flawed to begin with because people are always going to prefer the point guard that follows the mold that they believe in. They are two completely different kinds of players. Obviously Rubio is a better facilitator while Kyrie is without question a better scorer. But the thing is, Rubio doesnt really try to score, and Kyrie doesnt really focus on facilitating at this point of their careers. Both play different roles and it becomes more of a Steve Nash vs Derrick Rose type of arguement.

The one thing we can differentiate is that Kyrie has the ability to take over a game with his scoring. 21 points in the 4th quarter and 17 in the last 3 minutes of any game is no joke. The Cavs team relies completely on Irving because him and Jamison are the only two people that can create their own shot and Jamison has been purely awful. That leaves Kyrie to be the first scoring option. Rubio's distribution skills are great, but the team with the most points wins at the end of the day. He might be able to put teammates in good positions to make plays, but he cannot take over a game by himself by any means.

Hellcrooner
01-28-2012, 02:36 AM
Comparing Irving to Rubio is flawed to begin with because people are always going to prefer the point guard that follows the mold that they believe in. They are two completely different kinds of players. Obviously Rubio is a better facilitator while Kyrie is without question a better scorer. But the thing is, Rubio doesnt really try to score, and Kyrie doesnt really focus on facilitating at this point of their careers. Both play different roles and it becomes more of a Steve Nash vs Derrick Rose type of arguement.

The one thing we can differentiate is that Kyrie has the ability to take over a game with his scoring. 21 points in the 4th quarter and 17 in the last 3 minutes of any game is no joke. The Cavs team relies completely on Irving because him and Jamison are the only two people that can create their own shot and Jamison has been purely awful. That leaves Kyrie to be the first scoring option. Rubio's distribution skills are great, but the team with the most points wins at the end of the day. He might be able to put teammates in good positions to make plays, but he cannot take over a game by himself by any means.

someone that didnt saw any of the fourth quarters, including wining the game for wolves with both asits and POINTS " taking over the game" vs the clippers or spurs tonight.

11tg635
01-28-2012, 07:32 AM
Kyrie has less around him. Our 2nd option is a washed up Jamison who gets his points by shooting a high volume of shots. Rubio has Love a top 3 PF in the league. Now if you would give Irving a somewhat consistant scorer let alone Love I think we would see him getting 7 or 8 assist a game. Is he ever going to be as good as distributer as Rubio probably not but the age difference has to be taken into account. Kyrie only played in 11college games to help transition to the nba. Rubio has been playing pro ball in europe for a long time. Both are exellent talents but I would take the younger more explosive scorer right now. Also i will admit i am biased, but in the same note Rubio does have sick skills.

beasted86
01-28-2012, 07:53 AM
probably....

Irving: 17,5 ppg 3.4 rpg o.8 spg 4.8 apg 3,3 topg
Rubio : 11.5 ppg 4.6 rpg 2.4 spg 8.8 apg 3,4 topg

irving points scored :317 in 328 atempts = 0.96 points per attempt

rubio points scored : 217 in 181 atempts = 1,19 points per attempt means he is much wiser in choosing when to shoot, even if a worst shooter.

irving added stat: (p+r+a+st+bl-to) 23, 7

Rubio Added stat : 24,1

yeah ....we only need to look at stats to check irivng being better :rolleyes: love the whoopoing 0.1 less t o per game :D

If this is really how you analyze stats... then I say this not trying to bait or troll, but, you have a long way to go.

OmahaDro
01-28-2012, 08:25 AM
Rubio is better okay. PG is to run the team. Not shoot and score.

Its allready hard enough to compare the two, but as a pure PG stance goes, its Rubio.

You can find 5000 PG's that can put up what Irvings doing. Irving could be better than most of the scoring PG's, but its almost impossible nowadays to find a pure PG like Rubio

If im building a team from the ground...im building it with Rubio because you build with a PG that does what he's supposed to do. Run the team. Rubio is 10x better in that category.

Irving is great, but will not surpass Rubio. Rubio has the potential to become a great. Obviously its WAY to early to think of that at the moment, but the potential is there. Irving...not so much.

tmacsc2
01-28-2012, 08:26 AM
NBA forum full of trolls. I can understand if 1 poster troll but seems like everyone want to follow.

For real....its getting annoying.

tmacsc2
01-28-2012, 08:28 AM
only 3? Thats significant.

hilarious sig!! Pau! Pau!

GOON MUSIC
01-28-2012, 10:26 AM
he's still not as good as Darrel rose

lmao ......

Becks2307
01-28-2012, 10:52 AM
Look think back to the past, who do you want, a 2002 jason kid or a 2008 chris paul

thats essentially the debate here. It depends on what kind of PG you want. They are both amazing.

daricoliver
01-28-2012, 11:11 AM
Look think back to the past, who do you want, a 2002 jason kid or a 2008 chris paul

Understand your point, but this is not a fair comparison. Both Kidd and Paul are pass first double digit assist point guards who can score a bit, especially in their prime. Irving has not really shown that passing ability. It might develop, but its not here now. Probably, a better comparison is Rose's first year in the league when he averaged 20 points a game, but only 5 assists per game.

Hellcrooner
01-28-2012, 11:23 AM
thats how i see it.

Irving: NIghtmare scenario = rafer Alston/mike James, Dream Scenario : I thomas/C Paul.

Rubio : NIghtmare scenario = Jason Williams/Luke Ridnowr Dream Scenario: J Kidd/Payton.


its a matter of preference, ill stick with the passing mold pgs better than teh scoring ones.

natelpete
01-28-2012, 11:26 AM
You must admit for a 19 year old he is INCREDIBLE. Rubio is 21 and his court vision is INCREDIBLE. Remember that when Rubio was drafted he did not feel like he can compete in the NBA as much as he wanted to, so he did the SMART move by waiting and developing more. Perhaps in 2 years Irving will catch up to his court vision.

regardless, as of today. Kyrie's shooting is excellent at nearly .500 ,While Rubio is at .390.



I will take Irving over Rubio.

Rubio didn't stay in Europe because he wasn't ready for the NBA, he stayed because he didn't want to buy out of his contract. Which would have cost him millions.

Kyrie is looking pretty nice though. I look forward to seeing Rubio and Irving competing for Rookie of the Year.

blahblahyoutoo
01-28-2012, 04:05 PM
kyle irving is a great individual player.
rubio makes everyone around him better.

/thread

2-ONE-5
01-28-2012, 04:14 PM
I love both Rubio and Irving but you are wrong ^. Rubio isnt making Love any better and even he cant help Wes Johnson. Irving is playing with some bums in Cleveland, he is running the point great and has made teamates better

Ty Fast
01-28-2012, 05:00 PM
Kyle Irving>Lejackson James

how bout Lejackoff James. still luv ya tho Lebron.

MetroMan
01-28-2012, 06:59 PM
19 Year Old : Irving 17.6 Points .504 % .404 Three % 4.8 Assists

21 Year Old : Rubio 11.4 Points .387 % .357 Three % 8.8 Assists



Maybe if Irving had the fourth best scorer in the NBA who happens to be a excellent knock down shooter, Irving too will be in the high assists category

kozelkid
01-28-2012, 10:16 PM
the stat that says wolves are doing pretty good in a MUCH heavier conference?

The stat that says rubio is better at EVERY thing but scoring?

the stat that has rubio leading THE LEAGUE in steals¿

The stat that says rubio has many more double doubls?

The stat that has rubio in the top 5 passers in the LEAGUE?

the stat that says when rubio is on court wolves score 12 more points per 100 posesions?

the stat that says when rubio is on court woves receive like 15 less points?

the stat that says Rubio has been clutch as hell in the 4th quarters?


yeah clearly.

there are more stats after ppg you know?

Kyrie is good, Rubio is a beast.

Awesome logic.

So with that logic, I guess because Iguodala is a more well-rounded player than Durant, you'd take him over Durant.

Your words, not mine.

Hellcrooner
01-28-2012, 10:30 PM
Awesome logic.

So with that logic, I guess because Iguodala is a more well-rounded player than Durant, you'd take him over Durant.

Your words, not mine.

except the only thing igoudala is better than durant is defense, nothing else.

KingOf215
01-28-2012, 10:39 PM
except the only thing igoudala is better than durant is defense, nothing else.

Defense is not just one simple thing. With your logic, Iggy is better than Durant on Defense and Durant is better than Iggy on Offense.... DRAW. :rolleyes:


Obviously, that is an absurd statement.

jpagemn
01-28-2012, 10:43 PM
19 Year Old : Irving 17.6 Points .504 % .404 Three % 4.8 Assists

21 Year Old : Rubio 11.4 Points .387 % .357 Three % 8.8 Assists



Maybe if Irving had the fourth best scorer in the NBA who happens to be a excellent knock down shooter, Irving too will be in the high assists category
I think this probably belongs in the Rubio v Irving thread, but because you posted here, I will respond here. Finish your comparison, and include turn overs, steals, rebounds, defensive efficiency, et cetera.

kozelkid
01-28-2012, 11:16 PM
except the only thing igoudala is better than durant is defense, nothing else.

Half the game... And defense has its own facets, all of which Iggy is superior than Durant at.

Along with being a better passer and ball handler.

Therefore, he's better than Durant at most facets of the game aside from scoring.

Again, this is your logic.

MetroMan
01-29-2012, 09:21 PM
Kyrie Irving with the game winning lay up against boston tonight.

23 points (10-14)

6 assists

Hellcrooner
01-31-2012, 01:27 AM
Rubio destroying houston tonight 18 points ( 6/10) 11 ast, 8 reb, 1 st

RenegadeRiot36
01-31-2012, 12:29 PM
Rubio destroying houston tonight 18 points ( 6/10) 11 ast, 8 reb, 1 st

So tell me, what does this have to do with Kyrie Irving? Because its guys like you who keep making this a competition thread, which it isnt. Put this stuff in the Rookie thread.

Algmuskrats
01-31-2012, 12:59 PM
Irving is having a he'll of a season.

RenegadeRiot36
01-31-2012, 10:51 PM
Another 13 points in the 4th quarter to keep the Cavs in the game. Finished with 21 and 6.

LakersIn5
01-31-2012, 10:59 PM
Defense is not just one simple thing. With your logic, Iggy is better than Durant on Defense and Durant is better than Iggy on Offense.... DRAW. :rolleyes:


Obviously, that is an absurd statement.

also durant has a better record in a tougher conference. plus their offensive difference is so much farther away than irving and rubio's difference

NYtilIdie
01-31-2012, 11:00 PM
Irving is a ***king beast! I was hoping he turn out to be a bust since I hate Dan Gilbert but he's so damn fun to watch. He has CP3 like efficiency and is only 19 years old, his passing skills are pretty good he just needs better players around him to finish and his D is solid.

While his turnovers may be a problem, at 19 he'll be more than willing to improve in that area. He's my favorite for ROY, easily.

LakersIn5
01-31-2012, 11:00 PM
my hate just grew more for irving!!! you costed me some money *****! why shoot and make the 3!!!!!

Hawkamania
01-31-2012, 11:03 PM
Well, we finally got to see what this kid is about. So far so good. He has lead cleveland to a better record than dallas (unbelievable) . He is only 19 and looks very promising. Good for the cavs.

I'm happy for the Cavs as well, they deserve to have some promise to their future after the way LBJ bolted (which that very topic has been beat like a dead horse).

MTar786
01-31-2012, 11:19 PM
irving is playing well. I like him. he might even give rubio some competetion at ROY award.

basketfan4life
02-01-2012, 07:41 AM
hellcrooner has a different kind of impact on psd, i love rubio's game a lot, has been a fan of him since he stepped on an nba court, but after every post of crooner, i feel less of rubio...Exact same thing with pau gasol, even rudy fernandez...

İf you want people here to appreciate Spanish players, you should really shut up...İ'm from a european country which has 4 players playing for nba teams, but you can't see me *****ing about them... This is not the way bro.

Everybody likes Ricky, think has a potential to be one of the greatest point guards of the league, and love watching him play...Please don't ruin it, don't take these away from us.

Chronz
02-01-2012, 12:02 PM
kyle irving is a great individual player.
rubio makes everyone around him better.

/thread

This doesnt end anything, you can still be the better player either way.

Bravo95
02-01-2012, 12:27 PM
Irving is the leader for ROY so far. Rubio's #2.

Jay
02-01-2012, 12:38 PM
I'd rather have Rubio running my team. But no doubt that Irving is the better, more talented player of the two and will likely win ROY.

DragonJaii
02-01-2012, 12:57 PM
Dude is roy

Evolution23
02-01-2012, 05:12 PM
He's good but Shaq is still better.

RenegadeRiot36
02-02-2012, 12:08 AM
Soooo filthy on offense.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/video/2012/01/31/KYRIEIRVINGHIGHLIGHTVIDEO-1984058/index.html

RenegadeRiot36
03-19-2012, 10:47 PM
Hes had a quiet but pretty amazing year for a rookie PG. Where do you guys think his ceiling will end up?

Hustlenomics
03-19-2012, 10:58 PM
clearly the rookie of the year so far

called it two months ago

conway429
03-19-2012, 11:05 PM
called it two months ago

except you said "so far" so you didnt really call anything.... :) just sayin....

Hustlenomics
03-19-2012, 11:21 PM
i've said in another thread he's gonna be rookie of the year nobody is challenging him for it

DreStylez
03-19-2012, 11:27 PM
He reminds me of a Tyreke Evans but a better perimeter shooter. Both are not overly fast/quick but crafty with the ball in dribbling.

Cfrey
03-19-2012, 11:39 PM
i've said in another thread he's gonna be rookie of the year nobody is challenging him for it

such a good call!!! like irving was drafted number 60!! last pick in the draft and only 7 people in the world knows who he is!!! how did you know this man would be the rookie of the year!! this is astonishing omg you are so awesome!!

Gram
03-19-2012, 11:40 PM
such a good call!!! like irving was drafted number 60!! last pick in the draft and only 7 people in the world knows who he is!!! how did you know this man would be the rookie of the year!! this is astonishing omg you are so awesome!!

Lol wtf.

Hustlenomics
03-19-2012, 11:52 PM
such a good call!!! like irving was drafted number 60!! last pick in the draft and only 7 people in the world knows who he is!!! how did you know this man would be the rookie of the year!! this is astonishing omg you are so awesome!!
:confused:

CudiOnMyiPod
03-20-2012, 01:44 AM
such a good call!!! like irving was drafted number 60!! last pick in the draft and only 7 people in the world knows who he is!!! how did you know this man would be the rookie of the year!! this is astonishing omg you are so awesome!!

Umm...

RenegadeRiot36
03-23-2012, 03:14 PM
After 29, 9, and 9 yesterday during his last game as a teenager, its clear hes a mile ahead of any other rookie out there right now.

b@llhog24
03-23-2012, 03:53 PM
After 29, 9, and 9 yesterday during his last game as a teenager, its clear hes a mile ahead of any other rookie out there right now.

Lol dude you bump this thread too much. :laugh: We all know Kyrie is AMAZING, one of the better rookie seasons in about 10 years. Heck dude may even be my favorite player if Melo doesn't get his head out of his *** :mad:

b@llhog24
03-23-2012, 04:03 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=irvinky01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2011&p3=evansty01&y3=2010&p4=rosede01&y4=2009&p5=paulch01&y5=2006&p6=roybr01&y6=2007

Here is comparison of the recent ROY winners and Kyrie stacks up next to them. The only guy that's really comparable is Griffin. PS: I didn't know Rose sucked that badly in his rookie year. :puke:

Ty Fast
03-23-2012, 04:13 PM
he'll never be a king

5ass
03-23-2012, 04:26 PM
i think in time irving is going to be the new derrick rose. IMO he's going to be better. Either way i expect cleveland to continue to add pieces to their team in the next 2 drafts. They have Kyrie and Thompson, the rest needs to go. Get a C with their 2012 1st rounder, and wing player with their 2013 1st rounder. In year 3 add veterans using capspace, and get to the play offs. Hopefully Cleveland and Chicago then meet up in the play offs for an epic series.

b@llhog24
03-23-2012, 04:33 PM
he'll never be a king
But he'll be able to win not 1, not 2 but.......Well you get the idea ;)


i think in time irving is going to be the new derrick rose. IMO he's going to be better. Either way i expect cleveland to continue to add pieces to their team in the next 2 drafts. They have Kyrie and Thompson, the rest needs to go. Get a C with their 2012 1st rounder, and wing player with their 2013 1st rounder. In year 3 add veterans using capspace, and get to the play offs. Hopefully Cleveland and Chicago then meet up in the play offs for an epic series.

Its actually quite possible when you look at the huge disparity in their rookie seasons but Rose has a higher upside IMO.

Hellcrooner
03-23-2012, 04:36 PM
someone care to check wolves record post injury?

Thanks.

b@llhog24
03-23-2012, 04:42 PM
someone care to check wolves record post injury?

Thanks.

What does this have to do with Kyrie Irving?

Hellcrooner
03-23-2012, 04:44 PM
What does this have to do with Kyrie Irving?

that the " he is the only candidate worht off ROy" chatter is just plainly stupid.

Pity Injury left him alone on the race.

5ass
03-23-2012, 04:46 PM
that the " he is the only candidate worht off ROy" chatter is just plainly stupid.

Pity Injury left him alone on the race.

he is though, bcz of rubio's injury. I mean earlier in the season people had rubio right up there with kyrie. No doubt if rubio stayed healthy hed still be in the conversation.

b@llhog24
03-23-2012, 04:48 PM
that the " he is the only candidate worht off ROy" chatter is just plainly stupid.

Pity Injury left him alone on the race.

Fair enough. If Rubio won it Kyrie would've been robbed though.

JNA17
03-23-2012, 04:54 PM
that the " he is the only candidate worht off ROy" chatter is just plainly stupid.

Pity Injury left him alone on the race.

¿Por qué no se utiliza el corrector ortográfico? Nadie va a tomar en serio sus mensajes con ese tipo de mensajes.

If I can type Spanish clearly, you of all people should be able to type English clearly as well. The grammar in your posts is so hilariously bad. :laugh:

SMH!
03-23-2012, 04:55 PM
¿Por qué no se utiliza el corrector ortográfico? Nadie va a tomar en serio sus mensajes con ese tipo de mensajes.

If I can type Spanish clearly, you of all people should be able to type English clearly as well. The grammar in your posts is so hilariously bad. :laugh:

So damn true

Raph12
03-23-2012, 04:59 PM
Kyrie is a beast, reminds me of CP3...

willabeast77
03-23-2012, 04:59 PM
If the Cavs had another good piece, they'd contend to make the playoffs but at this point, it's probably best for them not to make the playoffs. They could get a solid pick in the draft. Irving is still the ROY this season no doubt, regardless if they make the post-season. His numbers are pretty good for a 20 year old rookie.

Ezio
03-23-2012, 05:00 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=irvinky01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2011&p3=evansty01&y3=2010&p4=rosede01&y4=2009&p5=paulch01&y5=2006&p6=roybr01&y6=2007

Here is comparison of the recent ROY winners and Kyrie stacks up next to them. The only guy that's really comparable is Griffin. PS: I didn't know Rose sucked that badly in his rookie year. :puke:

Yeah. Some of us Bulls fans are excited about Kyrie. He'll be a stud and hopefully turn that Cleveland city around

Hellcrooner
03-23-2012, 05:02 PM
¿Por qué no se utiliza el corrector ortográfico? Nadie va a tomar en serio sus mensajes con ese tipo de mensajes.

If I can type Spanish clearly, you of all people should be able to type English clearly as well. The grammar in your posts is so hilariously bad. :laugh:

Know what, that phrase you used in spanish is a gramatical horror.

iliketurtles24
03-23-2012, 05:05 PM
well, now we can agree we are bad typing at on computer the!

JNA17
03-23-2012, 05:11 PM
Know what, that phrase you used in spanish is a gramatical horror.

Cómo es eso?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
03-23-2012, 05:11 PM
Dudes gonna be a star.

Hellcrooner
03-23-2012, 05:14 PM
Cómo es eso?

And another phrase that is not correct.

not every english phrase has a 100% acurate translation.

Ok?

We dont use the "how is that"? thing.

In any case you would have to rephrase it to " ¿Y como es eso?"

But the best thing would be " ¿ y eso por qué?"

JNA17
03-23-2012, 05:19 PM
And another phrase that is not correct.

not every english phrase has a 100% acurate translation.

Ok?

We dont use the "how is that"? thing.

In any case you would have to rephrase it to " ¿Y como es eso?"

But the best thing would be " ¿ y eso por qué?"

Actually I was trying to say "How so?". But in any case, solid post from you hellcrooner. :clap:

dc5jdm
03-23-2012, 10:25 PM
thats how i see it.

Irving: NIghtmare scenario = rafer Alston/mike James, Dream Scenario : I thomas/C Paul.

Rubio : NIghtmare scenario = Jason Williams/Luke Ridnowr Dream Scenario: J Kidd/Payton.


its a matter of preference, ill stick with the passing mold pgs better than teh scoring ones.

Wrong I would take Irving over Mike James in prime or Alston in prime. He's already better than those scrubs. A better comparison would be Ty Lawson for nightmare.

ichitownclowni
03-23-2012, 10:49 PM
Maybe Kyle Irving can help Cleveland fans forget about LeBrownie Jamie?

Dude you annoy me sometimes but this is ****ing classic HAHA

thekmp211
03-24-2012, 01:49 PM
that the " he is the only candidate worht off ROy" chatter is just plainly stupid.

Pity Injury left him alone on the race.

i love rubio but he wasn't sniffing the ROY trophy this year unless he improved his game. again, love the kid, but irving is having an UNBELIEVABLE season.

i really thought the chris paul comparisons were off base, but he is so polished. i think you'll see him develop his passing game very soon, as his teammates also improve. kid is an absolute stud though.

ManRam
03-24-2012, 03:13 PM
someone care to check wolves record post injury?

Thanks.

Cool.

But that doesn't mean Rubio was playing better than Kyrie...and he most certainly wasn't.

Kyrie was the deserving ROY before the injury, and now a lock after the injury.

naps
03-24-2012, 05:36 PM
Kyrie Irving is CP3 version 2.0

b@llhog24
03-24-2012, 10:49 PM
Kyrie Irving is CP3 version 2.0

Yea he'll never be quite the passer Paul is but he'll be a better scorer IMO.

Raph12
03-24-2012, 11:17 PM
Yea he'll never be quite the passer Paul is but he'll be a better scorer IMO.

Yes but Cleveland needs him to be a scorer, he doesn't have good scorers on his team, so he needs to be a good scorer for that team to have any chance to win. The Cavs are already just two wins back from what they were last season. In today's NBA, the term "pure" is practically non-existant; versatility is valued very highly. Outside of CP3, the other two in the Top 3 at PG are Rose and Westbrook; both all-around PGs who have score-first mentalities... He's like CP3, in the sense that he is already a mature player, playing at a high level coming into the league.

b@llhog24
03-24-2012, 11:49 PM
Yes but Cleveland needs him to be a scorer, he doesn't have good scorers on his team, so he needs to be a good scorer for that team to have any chance to win. The Cavs are already just two wins back from what they were last season. In today's NBA, the term "pure" is practically non-existant; versatility is valued very highly. Outside of CP3, the other two in the Top 3 at PG are Rose and Westbrook; both all-around PGs who have score-first mentalities... He's like CP3, in the sense that he is already a mature player, playing at a high level coming into the league.

Oh I understand the whole Cleveland needing him to score piece. I was just speaking on a strictly comparison basis. Irving will (and i don't really like to you this term unless it competely off base) NEVER be a better passer than Paul. But I think he'll match Paul's efficency with his scoring being more of a natural shooter than him.

willabeast77
03-28-2012, 10:05 AM
Kyrie will develop each season but the Cavs need better players to surround him with, He's a stud. The next Tyreke Evans.

FraziersKnicks
03-28-2012, 11:08 AM
Kyrie will develop each season but the Cavs need better players to surround him with, He's a stud. The next Tyreke Evans.

The fact that Tyreke hasn't been able to reach the levels he did as a rookie, kinda voids this as a compliment.

I see Kyrie becoming a much more complete and rounded player than Tyreke and an ACTUAL true PG compared to Evans.

Birdmannn
03-28-2012, 04:23 PM
Kyrie Irving is a new point guard on his own. He is a highly efficient scoring point guard. A better version of A.I. maybe? not as quick but a better shot.

MetroMan
03-30-2012, 02:03 PM
Rookie Of The Year

18.7 points a game .468 .396 3pt

5.7 assists

4 rebs

1 steal


very impressive

Hustlenomics
03-30-2012, 09:07 PM
27 points 5 assists tonight and it isn't even the fourth quarter yet

justinnum1
03-30-2012, 09:16 PM
The craziest thing is he only played like 9 games in college

Hustlenomics
03-30-2012, 09:21 PM
yea he did play well in the little college experience he had. He just has a lot of talent