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RLundi
01-03-2012, 10:42 AM
He's been the best rebounding PF for the past few years. He's added a 3-point shot last season and shooting it at a 40 percent clip. He's similar to Nowitzki but a much better rebounder. And now that the Wolves look better and more respectable, no one can say he's putting up good numbers on a bad team.

If he isn't already the best PF, I think he'll get there over the course of this season.

asandhu23
01-03-2012, 10:45 AM
He already is.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 10:45 AM
he is playing like it so far

Raps18-19 Champ
01-03-2012, 10:50 AM
He'll trail off as the season goes on. But for this season, he'll be in the top 3 PF's.

rapjuicer06
01-03-2012, 11:00 AM
While Bosh doesn't put up the numbers Love does, I still say he's better. Bosh, Dirk and Gasol are better PF's, and I would put Amare and LMA up there with him if not above him

Slimsim
01-03-2012, 11:02 AM
Love
Griffin
Dirk
Paul


Rest

WolvesJagsOs
01-03-2012, 11:03 AM
He'll trail off as the season goes on. But for this season, he'll be in the top 3 PF's.

What makes you think that? People said the same thing last year, I dont remember him trailing off.

RLundi
01-03-2012, 11:09 AM
While Bosh doesn't put up the numbers Love does, I still say he's better. Bosh, Dirk and Gasol are better PF's, and I would put Amare and LMA up there with him if not above him

I think this is all subjective, so I can't fully disagree about Dirk, Gasol, Amar'e or even Aldridge, but wow, I did not at all expect anyone to consider Bosh as a top PF...

Celticsfan2007
01-03-2012, 11:17 AM
Why are there three active Kevin Love threads?

I mean I like the guy, but does any player really deserve 3 threads? :facepalm:

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 11:33 AM
While Bosh doesn't put up the numbers Love does, I still say he's better. Bosh, Dirk and Gasol are better PF's, and I would put Amare and LMA up there with him if not above him

I think Love has clearly shown he is a better player than Bosh and Amare. 5 games isn't enough sample size for me to say he is better than Dirk or Gasol, but so far, Love is playing better than any PF in the NBA.

lavilevi23
01-03-2012, 11:37 AM
1.Dirk
2.Gasol
3.Griffin
4.Bosh
5.Amare
6.Love
7.Aldridge
8.Randolph
9.Garnett
10.Smith
11.Boozer
12.Lee
13.West
14.Millsap
15.Scola

that is if u consider Duncan and Horford centers.

so no.

icon1914
01-03-2012, 11:39 AM
If the his numbers keep help leading the Wolves to wins... maybe... but this is a guy that put up monster numbers last year... but still the team still had like one of the worse records in the league.

To be the best you have to make an impact on a teams success... not just you stat line...

lavilevi23
01-03-2012, 11:42 AM
Funny how when Bosh was on the Raptors and was still losing like Love, he was considered a top 3 PF, but when he moved to Miami to play with 2 superstars and his numbers took a dip, no1 even considers him top 5. Put Love in Miami and you'll have the same story.

asandhu23
01-03-2012, 11:47 AM
1.Dirk
2.Gasol
3.Griffin
4.Bosh
5.Amare
6.Love
7.Aldridge
8.Smith
9.Boozer
10.Scola

so no

no spot for David Lee?

PurpleJesus
01-03-2012, 11:47 AM
Funny how when Bosh was on the Raptors and was still losing like Love, he was considered a top 3 PF, but when he moved to Miami to play with 2 superstars and his numbers took a dip, no1 even considers him top 5. Put Love in Miami and you'll have the same story.

Love's scoring numbers go down in Miami...his rebound numbers stay the same. He would be averaging probably about 15 and 15 in Miami.

Iodine
01-03-2012, 11:49 AM
Anyone else find it awesome that there are 4 threads ont he first page of the NBA forum about Kevin Love?

lavilevi23
01-03-2012, 11:54 AM
no spot for David Lee?

Yea you could put him over Scola I guess...

Hustlenomics
01-03-2012, 11:54 AM
I don't think you realize how great Dirk is

lavilevi23
01-03-2012, 11:54 AM
Anyone else find it awesome that there are 4 threads ont he first page of the NBA forum about Kevin Love?

lol yea

lavilevi23
01-03-2012, 11:56 AM
Love's scoring numbers go down in Miami...his rebound numbers stay the same. He would be averaging probably about 15 and 15 in Miami.

Not with Wade and James averaging about 6-7 rebs each and Haslem coming off the bench playing 30 mpg and averaging 10 rpg.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 12:00 PM
Not with Wade and James averaging about 6-7 rebs each and Haslem coming off the bench playing 30 mpg and averaging 10 rpg.

the only player taking rebounds from Love would be Dwight. 14+ rebounds a night in Miami dude. Bron and Wade wouldn't bother spending so much effort rebounding with Love there. Whats the point?

PurpleJesus
01-03-2012, 12:00 PM
Not with Wade and James averaging about 6-7 rebs each and Haslem coming off the bench playing 30 mpg and averaging 10 rpg.

add Love, and neither James nor Wade are averaging 6-7 boards.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 12:02 PM
anyways, as I said, Love is playing better than any PF this season, but he needs to continue doing so the whole year before he can rank ahead of Gasol or Dirk.

Done with this thread, since it will turn into pages of debating speculation.

Chronz
01-03-2012, 12:03 PM
Love would be perfect in Miami, well offensively at least.

His scoring would be less effected than Bosh as he is less of an ISO player and could make better use of the shots that come in the flow.

Iodine
01-03-2012, 12:05 PM
Chronz would be perfect in Mogadishu, well blood type that is

ChiSox219
01-03-2012, 12:06 PM
I don't want to take anything away from Love, he's one of the best players in the game today.

He's a great rebounder no doubt but I think his numbers are inflated playing with Darko, Beasley and Tolliver, Derrick Williams might be the second best rebounder on that team. Not Love's fault and there's maybe three players in the league that could produce similar numbers in that situation anyway.

I don't the Dirk comparisons either because Love doesn't have much of an in between game, certainly nothing that compares to Dirk.

Blake Griffin is better now and forever.

ChiSox219
01-03-2012, 12:07 PM
love would be perfect in miami, well offensively at least.

His scoring would be less effected than bosh as he is less of an iso player and could make better use of the shots that come in the flow.

+1

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 12:10 PM
Love would be perfect in Miami, well offensively at least.

His scoring would be less effected than Bosh as he is less of an ISO player and could make better use of the shots that come in the flow.

You may have mentioned it before, but Love would also create more possessions with his dominant offensive rebounding, something Bosh doesn't do.

29$JerZ
01-03-2012, 12:20 PM
Much like Rose I'd need to see a repeat season of dominance before I could place him over guys like Gasol, Amar'e, Dirk. However he clearly should be a Top 3 PF if he isn't already at this rate.

ramz.n
01-03-2012, 12:31 PM
statistically..possibly.

Hustla23
01-03-2012, 01:12 PM
Let's see how the season plays out but he can very easily be the best power forward in the game by the end of the year.

His stats are just insane.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 01:21 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2012&p3=loveke01&y3=2012&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2012&p5=boshch01&y5=2012&p6=stoudam01&y6=2012

Just a stat matchup of the top PF's this year (ran out of room, couldn't add LA).

tbone2171
01-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Dang..how talented was that '07-'08 UCLA team? Love, Westbrook, Darren Collison

Hellcrooner
01-03-2012, 01:33 PM
He is better than bargs, bosh, stou aldrige, griffin, randolph.

kg and tim are to old now.

Dirk and Pau are in a slump ( pau a bigger slump)

so RIGHT now THIS season , he is being it.

But i expect a full resurrection from both europeans .

Hellcrooner
01-03-2012, 01:35 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2012&p3=loveke01&y3=2012&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2012&p5=boshch01&y5=2012&p6=stoudam01&y6=2012

Just a stat matchup of the top PF's this year (ran out of room, couldn't add LA).

its me or is a complete shame that outside of love NONE of them averages double digits in rebounding? wtf!!!!

big wtf to dirk and stou in that regard, they are surely being outrebounded by some SG.:speechless:

RLundi
01-03-2012, 02:00 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2012&p3=loveke01&y3=2012&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2012&p5=boshch01&y5=2012&p6=stoudam01&y6=2012

Just a stat matchup of the top PF's this year (ran out of room, couldn't add LA).

Yeah, it's not enough that Love's statistics blow away the competition; his advanced statistics show how big the gap is thus far. His efficiency, rebounding percentage, offensive and defensive win shares especially stand out.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 02:07 PM
its me or is a complete shame that outside of love NONE of them averages double digits in rebounding? wtf!!!!

big wtf to dirk and stou in that regard, they are surely being outrebounded by some SG.:speechless:

yeah man. There is nothing Powerful about Power Forwards in todays game, with a few exceptions.

Blake will be a double digit rebounder though. He was last year, and will be thru his career.

ChiSox219
01-03-2012, 02:11 PM
Blake is killing it and he hasn't even played that well

Geargo Wallace
01-03-2012, 02:17 PM
KLove :drool: such a stud.

Evolution23
01-03-2012, 02:30 PM
I think Love has clearly shown he is a better player than Bosh and Amare. 5 games isn't enough sample size for me to say he is better than Dirk or Gasol, but so far, Love is playing better than any PF in the NBA.

Let him take hi team to the playoffs first before you go crazy.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 02:34 PM
Let him take hi team to the playoffs first before you go crazy.

Amare wasn't taking that team to the playoffs last year either bro. He wasn't getting 20 wins with that roster and coach.

beasted86
01-03-2012, 02:43 PM
His current stats dictate he is.... but his impact doesn't seem to given his team record over the past set of years.

KG had Ricky Davis and Randy Foye as his 2nd and 3rd best players and Dwayne Casey and Randy Whittman as head coaches, and went 32-50, good for a .390 win percentage in 2007 when the West was absolutely stacked.

I'm using that as the bench mark, which is a lot of leeway in today's state. Love has a much more talented team around him than that Wolves team was, has Rick Adelman as head coach, and the Western Conference is much weaker now. In a 66 game schedule a .390 win percentage equates to 26 wins. If Love can't win 26 games in his current situation, his statistics are a sham.

Sota4Ever
01-03-2012, 02:46 PM
How do people think griffin is better then Love?

ChiSox219
01-03-2012, 03:10 PM
How do people think griffin is better then Love?

Better scorer, better ball handler, better passer, quicker, creates more shots for himself and others, demands more defensive attention

MacFitz92
01-03-2012, 03:21 PM
Lmao.

Geargo Wallace
01-03-2012, 03:43 PM
Better scorer, better ball handler, better passer, quicker, creates more shots for himself and others, demands more defensive attention

lololololol

ClippersE.G
01-03-2012, 03:48 PM
Its The spurs.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 04:09 PM
Its The spurs.

Thunder
Bucks
Heat
Mavs
Spurs

those are the 5 teams he has racked up 25.5/15 against.

nickdymez
01-03-2012, 04:13 PM
Love
Griffin
Dirk
Paul


Rest

Chris Paul?

nickdymez
01-03-2012, 04:16 PM
Better scorer, better ball handler, better passer, quicker, creates more shots for himself and others, demands more defensive attention

LMFAO.... What????

D1JM
01-03-2012, 04:21 PM
did the minnesota forum just moved to the nba forum? :laugh2: you would almost think they are undefeated right now

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 04:23 PM
did the minnesota forum just moved to the nba forum? :laugh2: you would almost think they are undefeated right now

Don't tempt me to make a Darko thread...

D1JM
01-03-2012, 04:24 PM
it's kinda hard to know what love is. he is like a hybrid PF/C. with his improved 3 point shot he makes defenses have to adjust. he is my favorite player outside the bulls.

D1JM
01-03-2012, 04:29 PM
Don't tempt me to make a Darko thread...

i give more credit to adelman than ricky rubio(hellcronner might disagree). adelman just knows what the **** he is doing, in comparison to the other clown you guys had last year. i still cant believe he would bench love

dtmagnet
01-03-2012, 06:01 PM
Yes I think he will.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 06:06 PM
i give more credit to adelman than ricky rubio(hellcronner might disagree). adelman just knows what the **** he is doing, in comparison to the other clown you guys had last year. i still cant believe he would bench love

Oh sure, but Rubio has played very well man. The team is just different when he plays. And the defenses are so confused with him in the game, they just run around scrambling to get to their man so Rubio doesn't hit them. They have no idea yet what to do on a PnR with him.

Iodine
01-03-2012, 06:18 PM
I love how team winning can only hurt a player if they are a star.
It's either "well he should be able to win more if he really is a star" or "Well he had those really good guys around him so he's not as good as yall make him out to be"

Indi23
01-03-2012, 06:29 PM
To be the best PF, you had better be a good defender.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 06:32 PM
To be the best PF, you had better be a good defender.

its only 5 games in, but his defense is way better this year.

jammastershake
01-03-2012, 06:33 PM
Anyone else find it awesome that there are 4 threads ont he first page of the NBA forum about Kevin Love?

I see lebron with 3 or 4 threads on the first page a lot. It's pretty annoying.

Sota4Ever
01-03-2012, 10:37 PM
Ha Chisox that was hilarious.

Kashmir13579
01-04-2012, 12:31 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2012&p3=loveke01&y3=2012&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2012&p5=boshch01&y5=2012&p6=stoudam01&y6=2012

Just a stat matchup of the top PF's this year (ran out of room, couldn't add LA).
Its not even close right now.

Confusious
01-04-2012, 01:18 AM
1.Dirk
2.Gasol
3.Griffin
4.Bosh
5.Amare
6.Love
7.Aldridge
8.Randolph
9.Garnett
10.Smith
11.Boozer
12.Lee
13.West
14.Millsap
15.Scola

that is if u consider Duncan and Horford centers.

so no.
:laugh2:

Oh wait, you're a Miami fan. IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

TopsyTurvy
01-04-2012, 04:50 AM
Blake will have something to say about this once his mid-range game arrives.

Avenged
01-04-2012, 01:32 PM
Love and Blake will be battling for that spot for years to come.

I still say Dirk will be the best this season though..

1. Dirk
2. Blake Griffin
3. Love

That's how I think it will be by the end of the season.

Swashcuff
01-04-2012, 01:39 PM
Love and Blake will be battling for that spot for years to come.

I still say Dirk will be the best this season though..

1. Dirk
2. Blake Griffin
3. Love

That's how I think it will be by the end of the season.


I can dig this

Raph12
01-04-2012, 04:20 PM
Love and Blake will battle it out for that title for the next 5 years or so...

lavilevi23
01-04-2012, 04:39 PM
:laugh2:

Oh wait, you're a Miami fan. IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

This is for you. Experts debate weather Love is better than Bosh at #2.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/11004/5-on-5-preview-the-heat-take-on-the-wolves




2. Fact or Fiction: Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh.

Arnovitz: Fiction ... by a hair. Love will win the point-and-rebounds battle and has already established himself as a lethal threat from beyond the arc, but Bosh has a more varied game than Love and is a far more capable defender. Feed the ball to Bosh at 18 feet and he can make any number of things happen. On the other hand, credit Love for being able to manufacture offense without being fed.

Haberstroh: Fiction. Yes, it seems crazy to say that a guy who averaged 20-and-15 last season isn't better than a guy who averaged 18-and-8. But here are two things to keep in mind: context and defense. I love Kevin Love's unique talents as much as the next guy, but if Bosh played on that team and played at that blinding pace, he'd post some eye-popping numbers too.

Harper: Fiction. I would rather have Kevin Love on my team because age, skill set, etc., but I think technically Bosh is an overall better player. Itís mainly about the defense for me. Love hasnít showed that he can be a consistent defender yet. Once he even gives us a glimmer of being a decent defender, heíll be hands down better than Bosh.

Wallace: Fiction. More productive statistically? Certainly. But better overall player? Nope. At least not yet. While Love would be a double-double machine on a strong playoff contender right now, it's not outlandish to suggest that his stats are at least slightly inflated by the fact that he's been on a young and struggling team in Minnesota. Now that I think about it, Love is similar to what Bosh was when Chris played in Toronto from a production standpoint -- back when those 24-and-12 nights came far more frequently north of the border.

Windhorst: Fiction. It is potentially a nice debate, but I don't think Love is better. They are comparable certainly. Love is clearly a better rebounder. But Bosh is more offensively skilled, though Love's improving jumper could have him there soon.



;)

topdog
01-04-2012, 05:12 PM
Funny how when Bosh was on the Raptors and was still losing like Love, he was considered a top 3 PF, but when he moved to Miami to play with 2 superstars and his numbers took a dip, no1 even considers him top 5. Put Love in Miami and you'll have the same story.

To put that into context, Bosh as always considered "KG-Lite" so saying he was a top 3 PF is saying more about the competition than his game.

Plus, Love has the skill-set to remain more relevant as 3rd fiddle: rebounding, 3pt shooting/drive game and free throw shooting.

nickdymez
01-04-2012, 05:15 PM
Love and Blake will be battling for that spot for years to come.

I still say Dirk will be the best this season though..

1. Dirk
2. Blake Griffin
3. Love

That's how I think it will be by the end of the season.

I have

1. Blake
2. Love
3. Dirk

I honestly dont think Dirk is gonna finish the season better than those two.

Swashcuff
01-04-2012, 05:17 PM
This is for you. Experts debate weather Love is better than Bosh at #2.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/11004/5-on-5-preview-the-heat-take-on-the-wolves




2. Fact or Fiction: Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh.

Arnovitz: Fiction ... by a hair. Love will win the point-and-rebounds battle and has already established himself as a lethal threat from beyond the arc, but Bosh has a more varied game than Love and is a far more capable defender. Feed the ball to Bosh at 18 feet and he can make any number of things happen. On the other hand, credit Love for being able to manufacture offense without being fed.

Haberstroh: Fiction. Yes, it seems crazy to say that a guy who averaged 20-and-15 last season isn't better than a guy who averaged 18-and-8. But here are two things to keep in mind: context and defense. I love Kevin Love's unique talents as much as the next guy, but if Bosh played on that team and played at that blinding pace, he'd post some eye-popping numbers too.

Harper: Fiction. I would rather have Kevin Love on my team because age, skill set, etc., but I think technically Bosh is an overall better player. Itís mainly about the defense for me. Love hasnít showed that he can be a consistent defender yet. Once he even gives us a glimmer of being a decent defender, heíll be hands down better than Bosh.

Wallace: Fiction. More productive statistically? Certainly. But better overall player? Nope. At least not yet. While Love would be a double-double machine on a strong playoff contender right now, it's not outlandish to suggest that his stats are at least slightly inflated by the fact that he's been on a young and struggling team in Minnesota. Now that I think about it, Love is similar to what Bosh was when Chris played in Toronto from a production standpoint -- back when those 24-and-12 nights came far more frequently north of the border.

Windhorst: Fiction. It is potentially a nice debate, but I don't think Love is better. They are comparable certainly. Love is clearly a better rebounder. But Bosh is more offensively skilled, though Love's improving jumper could have him there soon.



;)

Right now the only thing keeping Bosh ahead of Love is reputation and his overall skill set (which Kevin Love has improved greatly on every year he's been in the league). In terms of production he would not compare to Love even if he was a member of the Wolves and Love was on the Heat.

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 05:24 PM
I think its clear Love is better than Bosh at this point. Amare as well. Really the only 4 players that have any claim to being the top PF are Dirk, Pau, Love, and Griffin.

ragee
01-04-2012, 05:31 PM
So people are going to disregard Dirk again?

topdog
01-04-2012, 05:32 PM
This is for you. Experts debate weather Love is better than Bosh at #2.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/11004/5-on-5-preview-the-heat-take-on-the-wolves




2. Fact or Fiction: Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh.

Arnovitz: Fiction ... by a hair. Love will win the point-and-rebounds battle and has already established himself as a lethal threat from beyond the arc, but Bosh has a more varied game than Love and is a far more capable defender. Feed the ball to Bosh at 18 feet and he can make any number of things happen. On the other hand, credit Love for being able to manufacture offense without being fed.

Haberstroh: Fiction. Yes, it seems crazy to say that a guy who averaged 20-and-15 last season isn't better than a guy who averaged 18-and-8. But here are two things to keep in mind: context and defense. I love Kevin Love's unique talents as much as the next guy, but if Bosh played on that team and played at that blinding pace, he'd post some eye-popping numbers too.

Harper: Fiction. I would rather have Kevin Love on my team because age, skill set, etc., but I think technically Bosh is an overall better player. It’s mainly about the defense for me. Love hasn’t showed that he can be a consistent defender yet. Once he even gives us a glimmer of being a decent defender, he’ll be hands down better than Bosh.

Wallace: Fiction. More productive statistically? Certainly. But better overall player? Nope. At least not yet. While Love would be a double-double machine on a strong playoff contender right now, it's not outlandish to suggest that his stats are at least slightly inflated by the fact that he's been on a young and struggling team in Minnesota. Now that I think about it, Love is similar to what Bosh was when Chris played in Toronto from a production standpoint -- back when those 24-and-12 nights came far more frequently north of the border.

Windhorst: Fiction. It is potentially a nice debate, but I don't think Love is better. They are comparable certainly. Love is clearly a better rebounder. But Bosh is more offensively skilled, though Love's improving jumper could have him there soon.

;)

1. "Expert" opinions are debatable and even these one's suggest Love could be turning into the better player as soon as this year - which is what this thread is about.

2. This "debate" was written after the Timberwolves played 2 games this year and before wins against Dallas and San Antonio and a close loss to Miami.

lavilevi23
01-04-2012, 05:36 PM
Bosh is still better than Love i dont dont give a **** about what any1 says. Put Bosh on that pathetic team and he will average 26/13

topdog
01-04-2012, 05:43 PM
Better scorer, better ball handler, better passer, quicker, creates more shots for himself and others, demands more defensive attention

More athletic. Flashier.

He has not looked super good this year.

RLundi
01-04-2012, 06:04 PM
Bosh is still better than Love i dont dont give a **** about what any1 says. Put Bosh on that pathetic team and he will average 26/13

Careful, your homerism is showing.

Bosh has never averaged more than 24 point and 11 rebounds a game. What on earth makes you think he'd just shoot up to 26 and 13 automatically? Bosh has basically been on pathetic teams his whole career and yet his numbers are very similar to Love's.

In fact, Bosh's best season in 2007 is similar to Love's season last year. His 25 PER was slightly higher than Love's 24.3 with Love easily besting him in rebound percentage and win shares. If Love maintains anywhere near this level of play, he will blow Bosh away quite easily.

twin4life
01-04-2012, 06:06 PM
Bosh is still better than Love i dont dont give a **** about what any1 says. Put Bosh on that pathetic team and he will average 26/13

LOL! Bosh sucks compared to Love! Im not being a homer either. On a Team with 2 of the BEST players in the NBA Teams are going to be forced to double team them which is gonna leave way more spaces and Bosh's number should be better. Twolves are pathetic?? Baby Bron Bron got a few birthday calls in such a good game and you had to put him on Rubio. You guys were scared of Ricky. HAHAHA Ricky, Love, Derrick Williams, Beasley very pathetic.. team will prolly wont win a game this year!!....... O wait.. lost a very good game to the Thunder and Heat. Took down the defending world champs. THEN beat an always very good Spurs team. Get ahold of yourself man you don't need to pretend you have every single good player on your team you already have 2 of the best. Let be guess your rookie is better than ours too?? HAHA

ChiSox219
01-04-2012, 06:30 PM
More athletic. Flashier.

He has not looked super good this year.

whatever bro, everything I listed is true. Love has advantages over Griffin just not that many.

Rivera
01-04-2012, 06:48 PM
barkley just said on PTI that Kevin Love IS the best PF in the league right now...

just throwing it out there

RLundi
01-04-2012, 06:53 PM
I stopped reading at Barkley just said. ^^^

Do you have any statistical evidence to prove why Bosh is better than Love? Anecdotal evidence? Anything even marginally reasonable?

Or is it because he's on the Heat?

twin4life
01-04-2012, 06:58 PM
http://www.thewambulance.com/



and it was Wade guarding Rubio late.

Yea, Lebron also guarded him... another guy who just talks and doesn't watch :facepalm:

Iodine
01-04-2012, 07:02 PM
Man reporting trolling gives me such a boner guys

lavilevi23
01-04-2012, 07:03 PM
Do you have any statistical evidence to prove why Bosh is better than Love? Anecdotal evidence? Anything even marginally reasonable?

Or is it because he's on the Heat?

Better talent. More post moves. Better offense. Better defense. Better overall skillset. The only 2 things love is better at are 3 point shots and rebounding. Of course I can't prove it staticly with Bosh playing on a stacked team with 2 or the top 3 players on earth and Love playing on one of the worst teams in the NBA.

twin4life
01-04-2012, 07:06 PM
Better talent. More post move. Better offense. Better defense. The only 2 things love is better at are 3 point shots and rebounding. Of course I can't prove it staticly with Bosh playing on a stacked team with 2 or the top 3 players on earth and Love playing on one of the worst teams in the NBA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Love could out shoot Bosh from ANYWHERE on the court!! Out rebound the **** outta him!!! dude your way to funny!! MADE MY DAY!! and why would I cry?? I remember when Lebron tried to help and pass back to Ricky cornor 3... GOOD!!! Lebron also fouled him.. Bron Bron woulda got the call.

twin4life
01-04-2012, 07:15 PM
I havnt even though about crying...? and I don't care about all these links you've posted. Havnt looked at one. No one agrees with you.. Love is better so you might wanna go cry or JJ Barea will haunt your dreams!!

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 07:15 PM
Bosh is still better than Love i dont dont give a **** about what any1 says. Put Bosh on that pathetic team and he will average 26/13

but he was on a bad team in his prime, and didn't get Love's numbers. Never has.

Love is the better player now. But you are more than entitled to your opinion. I think the only thing Bosh has on him is his defense.

bovice163
01-04-2012, 07:18 PM
1. Dirk
2. Love
3. Griffin

4. Pau

5. Amare/Bosh/Aldridge

I'm being generous with Dirk since he proved himself in the finals last year, but he won't be up there for long. I think Blake will challenge him at points in their careers, but if Love stays in Minny and continues improving on his efficiency primarily, then Blake will never take the top spot from him.

twin4life
01-04-2012, 07:19 PM
but he was on a bad team in his prime, and didn't get Love's numbers. Never has.

Love is the better player now. But you are more than entitled to your opinion. I think the only thing Bosh has on him is his defense.

x2 Hawk knows all!! :clap:

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2012&p3=loveke01&y3=2012&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2012&p5=boshch01&y5=2012&p6=stoudam01&y6=2012

Posted this a while back, but Love is absolutely ******** on Bosh this season.

Iodine
01-04-2012, 07:22 PM
Lol@Blake still not having a block

SteveNash
01-04-2012, 07:38 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2012&p2=griffbl01&y2=2012&p3=loveke01&y3=2012&p4=gasolpa01&y4=2012&p5=boshch01&y5=2012&p6=stoudam01&y6=2012

Posted this a while back, but Love is absolutely ******** on Bosh this season.

Where's Ryan Anderson?

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 07:39 PM
Where's Ryan Anderson?

I know dude, haha, he has played WAY over his head. He will come back to earth, but damn has he started out well.

SteveNash
01-04-2012, 07:49 PM
I know dude, haha, he has played WAY over his head. He will come back to earth, but damn has he started out well.

I think he can stay fairly close to his current production.

Now, what I really want to know is what makes you think Love won't turn into the next Al Jefferson.

Swashcuff
01-04-2012, 07:57 PM
I think he can stay fairly close to his current production.

Now, what I really want to know is what makes you think Love won't turn into the next Al Jefferson.

Have you seen Kevin Love play? I can't believe you're comparing him to Al Jefferson.

lavilevi23
01-04-2012, 07:59 PM
I think he can stay fairly close to his current production.

Now, what I really want to know is what makes you think Love won't turn into the next Al Jefferson.

In terms of what?

topdog
01-04-2012, 07:59 PM
whatever bro, everything I listed is true. Love has advantages over Griffin just not that many.

Most of what you posted is debatable. I'm not saying I don't think Blake will be a top PF in the league, but he is having to adapt this year to doing more than just dunking on everyone.

Love is a very good passer. He opens up opportunites for teammates with his range. He is a better scorer getting to the line and hitting from deep. He's a way better rebounder. Love is more polished right now.

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 07:59 PM
I think he can stay fairly close to his current production.

Now, what I really want to know is what makes you think Love won't turn into the next Al Jefferson.

I would prefer if you enlighten me on how they are even similar?

And no, Ryan Anderson will not continue with those numbers.

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 08:00 PM
In terms of what?

in terms of a slow, defenseless black hole that hurts his team? No, Love will never be that.

lavilevi23
01-04-2012, 08:00 PM
I havnt even though about crying...? and I don't care about all these links you've posted. Havnt looked at one. No one agrees with you.. Love is better so you might wanna go cry or JJ Barea will haunt your dreams!!

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: :cry::cry::cry:

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 08:03 PM
I am giving one warning. Stop baiting or your posts will get deleted and you will get an infraction. Goes for everyone.

topdog
01-04-2012, 08:03 PM
I think he can stay fairly close to his current production.

Now, what I really want to know is what makes you think Love won't turn into the next Al Jefferson.

Al Jefferson was a blackhole who could not pass out of the double teams he regularly received, was not a great rebounder and does not have the range of Love. Nor did he have the off-the-ball attack of Love and his second chance points.

Biggest part ^ he's not a blackhole and has shown he will make the pass when his shot isn't available.

Swashcuff
01-04-2012, 08:04 PM
Bosh is still better than Love i dont dont give a **** about what any1 says. Put Bosh on that pathetic team and he will average 26/13

Why even bother joining a forum? :confused: You have your biased opinion that you are not even open to changing and you want to have a debate in a forum such as this? You're wasting your time and ours. Bosh has never gotten 26/13 in his career and you think he's going to magically just do that?

The last PF to average 26 and 13 came 40 years ago. You really think Bosh was going to do some Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, etc etc couldn't? You guys are truly delusional. I bet if he wasn't a member of the Heat you wouldn't have even been part of this thread much less attempting to defend him here.

jpagemn
01-04-2012, 08:19 PM
I was watching PTI today. They had Charles Barkley on. They asked him about Rubio, and in typical Chuck fashion, he had other things he wanted to talk about. Namely, he wanted to talk about Kevin Love. Now,I take this with a grain of salt, because Chuck can say some bone headed things, but he DOES know a thing or two about the PF position. He said, right now, Kevin Love is the best PF in the league.

ChiSox219
01-04-2012, 08:20 PM
Bosh put up huge numbers his last year in Toronto and he's certainly a better defender than Love so I can see the argument. Bosh is underrated in general.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=boshch01&y1=2010&p2=loveke01&y2=2012

SeoulBeatz
01-04-2012, 08:29 PM
While Bosh doesn't put up the numbers Love does, I still say he's better. Bosh, Dirk and Gasol are better PF's, and I would put Amare and LMA up there with him if not above him

Gimme Love over Bosh any day of the week, and maybe even Gasol.

iliketurtles24
01-04-2012, 08:41 PM
Bosh put up huge numbers his last year in Toronto and he's certainly a better defender than Love so I can see the argument. Bosh is underrated in general.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=boshch01&y1=2010&p2=loveke01&y2=2012

I agree bosh is a good player, but love is better, the main thing to me is the age. Bosh was 25 and love is 23, love is younger and still put up better numbers than bosh's best year, his blocks were only .4 better.

Swashcuff
01-04-2012, 08:47 PM
I agree bosh is a good player, but love is better, the main thing to me is the age. Bosh was 25 and love is 23, love is younger and still put up better numbers than bosh's best year, his blocks were only .4 better.

Blocks isn't an accurate indicator of who is a better defensive player than whom especially defender. Amar'e was a better shot blocker than KG last season NO one would mistake him for being a better or anywhere near equal defensive player.

SteveNash
01-04-2012, 09:09 PM
I would prefer if you enlighten me on how they are even similar?

2 loads stuck between PF/C who put up numbers in Minnesota, but not the wins.

Swashcuff
01-04-2012, 09:15 PM
2 loads stuck between PF/C who put up numbers in Minnesota, but not the wins.

Thanks for mentioning in Minnesota which negates your point. This is a team game, not even a prime Tim Duncan can lead those Timberwolves teams to much more than a 1st round exit. It takes a team to win basketball games not an individual.

Iodine
01-04-2012, 09:17 PM
2 loads stuck between PF/C who put up numbers in Minnesota, but not the wins.

name 5 players in the current NBA who wins 35 games with that team last year

Hawkeye15
01-04-2012, 09:22 PM
2 loads stuck between PF/C who put up numbers in Minnesota, but not the wins.

ok cool. So nothing about their games, got it...

naps
01-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Dirk, Bosh, Pau, Love, Griffin. That's how my order would go. This might change as the season goes on.

RaiderKid318
01-04-2012, 09:44 PM
I thought he already was.... Only person that will give him competition is griffin IMO

FuriousJatt
01-04-2012, 09:45 PM
last season he was a top 10 and so far THIS SEASON he is easily top 3

SteveNash
01-04-2012, 10:11 PM
Thanks for mentioning in Minnesota which negates your point. This is a team game, not even a prime Tim Duncan can lead those Timberwolves teams to much more than a 1st round exit. It takes a team to win basketball games not an individual.

Prime Duncan would be much better than the 17-56 Love was last year.

I'm not even saying he had to reach the playoffs. The fact is that Love doesn't bring that much onto the basketball court despite what his numbers say. And once people realize Love's style doesn't produce winning basketball, he'll be rated adequately and won't be in the discussion for best PF in the game.


name 5 players in the current NBA who wins 35 games with that team last year

LeBron, Kobe, Howard, Paul, Rose.

AI4MVP
01-04-2012, 10:17 PM
The only Power Forward in the NBA id trade Kevin Love for is Blake Griffin, and even then I'd have to think about it because of Love's three point shooting ability.

1a) Blake Griffin
1b) Kevin Love

jpagemn
01-04-2012, 10:24 PM
Prime Duncan would be much better than the 17-56 Love was last year.

I'm not even saying he had to reach the playoffs. The fact is that Love doesn't bring that much onto the basketball court despite what his numbers say. And once people realize Love's style doesn't produce winning basketball, he'll be rated adequately and won't be in the discussion for best PF in the game.



LeBron, Kobe, Howard, Paul, Rose.

I can agree Duncan in his prime could have probably done more than Love last year with tha squad. Duncan has a very unique skillset that includes passing, and range out to. about 18 feet. In his prime, he also had the footwork to create his own points.

From the second bolded, I am assuming those players Substitute Love on last years roster, please correct me if I am wrong. So, yes, LeBron wins 35. He is that good, and proved it with some weaker lineups early on. Kobe wouldnot reach 35, IMO, maybe "in his prime". Howard would get absolutely collapsed on, and lacks the ability to make anyone esle on hat squad better. Tough call on he two point guards, but I have to doubt it with he lack of consistent scoring options to pass to.

outside of Love, we really had very little consistent starting quality play last year.

Swashcuff
01-04-2012, 11:30 PM
Prime Duncan would be much better than the 17-56 Love was last year.

I'm not even saying he had to reach the playoffs. The fact is that Love doesn't bring that much onto the basketball court despite what his numbers say. And once people realize Love's style doesn't produce winning basketball, he'll be rated adequately and won't be in the discussion for best PF in the game.



LeBron, Kobe, Howard, Paul, Rose.

Love's style doesn't what? Do you have a crystal ball or something?

Tell me something can you break down the Timberwolves T E A M and tell me exactly how Kevin Love's style not producing winning basketball has to do with them? Tell me something does Dwyane Wade's style produce winning basketball?

Basically all you're give us is opinion and speculation. Kevin Love style not producing winning basketball :laugh2: I mean serious that's the best you can do? Wasn't the very same said about Zach Randolph? What did he do last season to the best team in the West? Kevin Love this season is by far better than Zach was last. You guys never cease to amaze me with these "his teams doesn't win so he is overrated and isn't a good player" arguments. I mean if you actually attempted to break it down a bit we can see something behind the argument but you're not even trying.

John Walls Era
01-04-2012, 11:32 PM
Can I get some winning seasons before I call him the best?

VikesTwinsWolve
01-05-2012, 12:21 PM
Pleases stop with the ( he needs to win in the playoffs BS)!! I hear lakers fans crying how they need this and that. Is anyone jumping on kobe or pao for not carrying their teams alone. If Kevin love played for the heat,bulls, or lakers I'd probably hate him cause psd's finest are homer biased. Kevin Love is playing better then any pf in the game right now. Is he the best? No but he could become, and stay there a long time.......

Birdmannn
01-05-2012, 02:09 PM
Pleases stop with the ( he needs to win in the playoffs BS)!! I hear lakers fans crying how they need this and that. Is anyone jumping on kobe or pao for not carrying their teams alone. If Kevin love played for the heat,bulls, or lakers I'd probably hate him cause psd's finest are homer biased. Kevin Love is playing better then any pf in the game right now. Is he the best? No but he could become, and stay there a long time.......

His stats are very impressive and still getting better!
He is easily playing like one of the best 4s in the last few decades.

VikesTwinsWolve
01-05-2012, 02:44 PM
Kevin Love will become the best pf in the game this year. Put it in your sigs boys!!! :p

John Walls Era
01-05-2012, 03:41 PM
Pleases stop with the ( he needs to win in the playoffs BS)!! I hear lakers fans crying how they need this and that. Is anyone jumping on kobe or pao for not carrying their teams alone. If Kevin love played for the heat,bulls, or lakers I'd probably hate him cause psd's finest are homer biased. Kevin Love is playing better then any pf in the game right now. Is he the best? No but he could become, and stay there a long time.......

I'll mail the 6 Game MVP trophy to your house if you want.

Apparently great players don't need to win anymore. The standards that fans set on their own team's players are low.

Lake_Show2416
01-05-2012, 03:43 PM
is Dirk retiring?

SteveNash
01-05-2012, 06:20 PM
I can agree Duncan in his prime could have probably done more than Love last year with tha squad. Duncan has a very unique skillset that includes passing, and range out to. about 18 feet. In his prime, he also had the footwork to create his own points.

From the second bolded, I am assuming those players Substitute Love on last years roster, please correct me if I am wrong. So, yes, LeBron wins 35. He is that good, and proved it with some weaker lineups early on. Kobe wouldnot reach 35, IMO, maybe "in his prime". Howard would get absolutely collapsed on, and lacks the ability to make anyone esle on hat squad better. Tough call on he two point guards, but I have to doubt it with he lack of consistent scoring options to pass to.

outside of Love, we really had very little consistent starting quality play last year.

Prime Duncan could probably have done more than Love?

Kobe made the playoffs with Smush/Kwame.

Howard would bring some more defense.

PGs would have helped with playmaking. Which was what Minnesota lacked.


Love's style doesn't what? Do you have a crystal ball or something?

It's called knowing the game of basketball. There are many failed stars who disappear into the night or move to Turkey. Eventually those people run out of excuses.


Tell me something can you break down the Timberwolves T E A M and tell me exactly how Kevin Love's style not producing winning basketball has to do with them? Tell me something does Dwyane Wade's style produce winning basketball?

Kevin Love is a crap defender, and sucks at creating his own offense. Wade is no longer a winning basketball player.


Basically all you're give us is opinion and speculation. Kevin Love style not producing winning basketball :laugh2: I mean serious that's the best you can do? Wasn't the very same said about Zach Randolph? What did he do last season to the best team in the West? Kevin Love this season is by far better than Zach was last. You guys never cease to amaze me with these "his teams doesn't win so he is overrated and isn't a good player" arguments. I mean if you actually attempted to break it down a bit we can see something behind the argument but you're not even trying.

I've never been much of a Randolph hater, and still he hasn't accomplished much. Zach has had the superior skill set at the same point in their careers, Zach just needed a coach to ride his *** more.

UKblazers
01-05-2012, 06:31 PM
Everyone always points to the fact Love doesn't require set plays to get his number. Ehilst that does make him a very efficient player from what i saw last season that was one of the wolves biggest issues. They were always competitive for the first 3 quarters but when crunch time arrived they didnt have a go to guy and it resulted in beasley jackin up shots. The other elite pf like dirk or randolph can just post up their man and get an easy two, until love adds that component to his game i dont think he can claim the top despite all his other great traits. Also maybe wolves fans can tell me why wolves havent offered an extension yet?

Swashcuff
01-05-2012, 06:37 PM
Prime Duncan could probably have done more than Love?

Kobe made the playoffs with Smush/Kwame.

Howard would bring some more defense.

PGs would have helped with playmaking. Which was what Minnesota lacked.



It's called knowing the game of basketball. There are many failed stars who disappear into the night or move to Turkey. Eventually those people run out of excuses.



Kevin Love is a crap defender, and sucks at creating his own offense. Wade is no longer a winning basketball player.



I've never been much of a Randolph hater, and still he hasn't accomplished much. Zach has had the superior skill set at the same point in their careers, Zach just needed a coach to ride his *** more.

Arguably the worst post of the entire thread.

Wade is no longer a winner? Zach had the superior skill set at the age of 22? Kevin Love sucks at creating his own offense?

Dude WATCH some basketball you have NO idea what you're talking about. You know nothing about the game of basketball absolutely nothing.

Oh and taking a shot at Allen Iverson real classy.

SteveNash
01-05-2012, 06:45 PM
Arguably the worst post of the entire thread.

Wade is no longer a winner? Zach had the superior skill set at the age of 22? Kevin Love sucks at creating his own offense?

Dude WATCH some basketball you have NO idea what you're talking about. You know nothing about the game of basketball absolutely nothing.

Oh and taking a shot at Allen Iverson real classy.

Wade has slacked off, since LeBron arrived, maybe he'll bring it back if one of them is moved.

Zach definitely had a superior skill set, I've watch Z-Bo for his entire career.

What makes you think Love is great at creating his own offense.

Watch some basketball instead of looking at stats.

Swashcuff
01-05-2012, 06:55 PM
Wade has slacked off, since LeBron arrived, maybe he'll bring it back if one of them is moved.

Zach definitely had a superior skill set, I've watch Z-Bo for his entire career.

What makes you think Love is great at creating his own offense.

Watch some basketball instead of looking at stats.

Dude I watch more Wolves games than many Wolves fans. If you didn't dislike Kevin Love you'd know that he creates his own shot more and more every season he's been in the league.

You've watched Z-Bo his entire career but you OBVIOUSLY haven't watched a second of Kevin Love because everything you're saying about him couldn't be more wrong.

What makes me think Love is great at creating his own offense? Nothing. I never said he was great you ignorantly said he sucks at creating his own offense which is something that couldn't be more wrong. I've seen 4 full Timberwolves games this season and in each one of those games I've seen Kevin Love put the ball on the floor, pump fake, step back, go up and under or place himself in the right place at the right time for an open shot (MUCH like Dirk) and much more, not including creating extra possessions for his team and leading the league in put backs so I can tell you better than most about Love's offensive game.

You know nothing about this topic and each and every post that you make in this thread shows it.

Swashcuff
01-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Oh and saying Wade is no loner a winner since LeBron has joined the Heat couldn't be more wrong. Last NBA FINALS Wade put on one of the greatest performances we've ever seen by an SG in an NBA FINALS. His team didn't get the job done but that was no fault of his own. Wade slacked off? Really? If he slacked off I'd really LOVE to see what he does when he's actually playing well again.

Nick O
01-05-2012, 07:12 PM
I think this is all subjective, so I can't fully disagree about Dirk, Gasol, Amar'e or even Aldridge, but wow, I did not at all expect anyone to consider Bosh as a top PF...

so you dont expect anyone who actually knows basketball to be in this site? .. i would expect anyone sane to consider him to not be a top PF.. hes an amazing player

SteveNash
01-05-2012, 07:19 PM
Dude I watch more Wolves games than many Wolves fans. If you didn't dislike Kevin Love you'd know that he creates his own shot more and more every season he's been in the league.

You've watched Z-Bo his entire career but you OBVIOUSLY haven't watched a second of Kevin Love because everything you're saying about him couldn't be more wrong.

What makes me think Love is great at creating his own offense? Nothing. I never said he was great you ignorantly said he sucks at creating his own offense which is something that couldn't be more wrong. I've seen 4 full Timberwolves games this season and in each one of those games I've seen Kevin Love put the ball on the floor, pump fake, step back, go up and under or place himself in the right place at the right time for an open shot (MUCH like Dirk) and much more, not including creating extra possessions for his team and leading the league in put backs so I can tell you better than most about Love's offensive game.

You know nothing about this topic and each and every post that you make in this thread shows it.

If you like good basketball so much, why would you watch 4 Wolves games? I've only caught the tail end of the game last night, and Love didn't do anything.


Oh and saying Wade is no loner a winner since LeBron has joined the Heat couldn't be more wrong. Last NBA FINALS Wade put on one of the greatest performances we've ever seen by an SG in an NBA FINALS. His team didn't get the job done but that was no fault of his own. Wade slacked off? Really? If he slacked off I'd really LOVE to see what he does when he's actually playing well again.

It's easier to have a good finals when you've been coasting the entire season while playing like crap in the other rounds.

Tony_Starks
01-05-2012, 07:22 PM
No he certainly will not. I'd easily take Dirk and Blake over him. Probably Aldridge too......

Wrigheyes4MVP
01-05-2012, 07:28 PM
I'm a believer in Love...I'm straight up on that bandwagon lol.

I don't care if he is legit the best power forward or not, he is my favorite player right now.

I'm not a Wolves fan at all, but I might have to start rooting for them.

topdog
01-05-2012, 07:29 PM
If you like good basketball so much, why would you watch 4 Wolves games? I've only caught the tail end of the game last night, and Love didn't do anything.

Because national media and "experts" agree that Wolves are the "league pass favorite" for 2011-12. You're sample size is not large enough for you to talk **** like you know Love's game.



It's easier to have a good finals when you've been coasting the entire season while playing like crap in the other rounds.

True winners make plays when it counts. Why over-exert yourself early when you know you have a log ways to go?

Swashcuff
01-05-2012, 07:33 PM
If you like good basketball so much, why would you watch 4 Wolves games? I've only caught the tail end of the game last night, and Love didn't do anything.

With each post you're proving that you're not worth having a debate with.


It's easier to have a good finals when you've been coasting the entire season while playing like crap in the other rounds.

^ See above.

The Wolves have played 6 games this season I've seen 4 I guess I am really bad at watching their games because I didn't see 2 of them :rolleyes:

You must really be the expert on Love because you caught the TAIL END of a game and you base your opinion on just that.

If Dwyane Wade coasted and played like crap he must be the G.O.A.T. Because the level he'd play on when he isn't coasting or playing like crap would be unlike any we've ever seen.

John Walls Era
01-05-2012, 07:35 PM
I think this is all subjective, so I can't fully disagree about Dirk, Gasol, Amar'e or even Aldridge, but wow, I did not at all expect anyone to consider Bosh as a top PF...

Amare and Aldridge has done nothing that Bosh hasn't done. Bosh has put up as good if not better numbers than him when he was the number 1 option.

ClippersE.G
01-05-2012, 07:39 PM
He already is.

:speechless:

hahahah

Tony_Starks
01-05-2012, 07:44 PM
Blake Griffin takes offense to this thread.........:mad:

Cfrey
02-03-2012, 01:06 AM
I think this was a valid thread.

Greedy22
02-03-2012, 01:40 AM
This season him and LA have been the 2 best PF. I love his skillset and feel he should be a starter on the all star team