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MetroMan
01-02-2012, 03:28 PM
Aside from his incredible rebounding, Kevin Love has improved drastically in shooting. His shooting form looks so natural.

When Dirk came in the NBA he was not a post up player. If Love can learn the way Dirk did he has a real good chance of being the better version of dirk.

Hawkeye15
01-02-2012, 03:31 PM
He will never be the perimeter ball handler, shot creator Dirk is, but sure, he will be one of, if not the, best shooting big men in the NBA for the next 10-11 years.

His 2 step back bombs off the dribble last night looked like a SG. He is even better than last year, and showing leadership and the ability to create his own shot with all that shedded weight.

He is playing like a top 10 player early this season. Hopefully he can keep it up.

ManRam
01-02-2012, 03:32 PM
Why is everyone always so concerned with labeling people "The Next so-and-so".

Yes, he's a great shooter, has the same skin color, and his almost as tall...but he's Kevin Love, and he does a lot of things differently from Dirk. He isn't the perimeter player Dirk is, even though he can shoot it. His handles will never be that good.

I do not think it's unfair to say that he potentially could have a stronger overall skill set...

Iodine
01-02-2012, 03:36 PM
Is this the next NBA forum thread that sucks?
Yes

Swashcuff
01-02-2012, 03:39 PM
Dirk and Kevin Love are both one of a kind I think Love is his own player. Really not as complete as Dirk is with the ball in his hands on the offensive end but he is still going to be super effective/efficient so it's not that big of a deal.

MacFitz92
01-02-2012, 03:40 PM
I do not see how Love could ever become a better shot creator or pure shooter than Dirk. However, he's got a lot of things going for him, that he does differently or better than Dirk. It really seems like you're comparing them because they're both white.

bovice163
01-02-2012, 03:46 PM
Great shooter, but he doesn't have that finesse that Dirk possesses on the perimeter or in the post. He is more of the overpowering, opportunistic player who is very sound fundamentally. Dirk is a very unorthodox PF, while Love is almost the complete opposite.

KingPosey
01-02-2012, 03:48 PM
**** no.

The 2 guys are so absurdly different as players I cant believe you asked that. Just because Kevin Love can knock down the 15-18ft set shot, does not in anyway make him capable of what Dirk can do with the basketball.

And this isnt a bash on Love, they just have COMPLETELY different styles and skill sets, other than the fact they both can hit open midrange set shots.

Hawkeye15
01-02-2012, 03:49 PM
I do not see how Love could ever become a better shot creator or pure shooter than Dirk. However, he's got a lot of things going for him, that he does differently or better than Dirk. It really seems like you're comparing them because they're both white.

well, its not just that they are white, its another PF out hitting 3's at a very high rate is why. And not a specialist, a REAL PF.

Kyben36
01-02-2012, 03:51 PM
not even close, what makes dirk so good is his shot is so high and unblockable and he knows it, bassicaly, when he shoots its like shooting in the gym. plus his shot is soo good. Love may have some shooting skills, but he has never been able to get his own jump shot off. Dirk can.

Hawkeye15
01-02-2012, 03:56 PM
not even close, what makes dirk so good is his shot is so high and unblockable and he knows it, bassicaly, when he shoots its like shooting in the gym. plus his shot is soo good. Love may have some shooting skills, but he has never been able to get his own jump shot off. Dirk can.

did you watch Love hit 2 step back three's last night in Dirk's face off the dribble? I did.

Love's ability to create his own shot is MUCH improved this year. Losing 25 lbs apparently makes you quicker and able to jump higher.

MacFitz92
01-02-2012, 05:49 PM
well, its not just that they are white, its another PF out hitting 3's at a very high rate is why. And not a specialist, a REAL PF.

I just don't see the comparison. Even if he developed into the kind of shooter Dirk is (doubt it, but for the sake of the argument, let's say he does), the way he plays doesn't allow him to be a true shot creating shooter. It looks like he's developed some nice post moves, but post moves don't equal shot creating jump shots, if that makes any sense...

Their games are very different, with the only glaring similarities being they play the same position, and are good scorers (different scorers if you will, though).

Hawkeye15
01-02-2012, 05:51 PM
I just don't see the comparison. Even if he developed into the kind of shooter Dirk is (doubt it, but for the sake of the argument, let's say he does), the way he plays doesn't allow him to be a true shot creating shooter. It looks like he's developed some nice post moves, but post moves don't equal shot creating jump shots, if that makes any sense...

Their games are very different, with the only glaring similarities being they play the same position, and are good scorers (different scorers if you will, though).

oh I agree. Their games are different. Love is a POWER forward, Dirk is more of a scoring forward who relies on heavy skill and finesse. Love will be a great shooter, but Dirk is the best shooting PF ever.

And watch Love play this year. That weight loss is showing. He blew by his guy off the dribble the other night for a dunk, and those step back 3's last night where created off the dribble.

SDvikes
01-02-2012, 05:55 PM
If you are going to compare...

Klove is most like Charles Barkley...

Great rebounder and can hit the open J....

Barkley a few inches shorter....

He is no Dirk, other than the skin color. Dirk is no Klove either, better shooter maybe, I would take Klove over Dirk at this point...

Iodine
01-02-2012, 05:59 PM
^lol

Ebbs
01-02-2012, 06:00 PM
Props on his quality shot. But if you watch them it's not like there style is at all similar.

Hellcrooner
01-02-2012, 06:02 PM
mmmmmmmmm

aples and oranges?

Dirk and love shoot 3 pointer and are white and have supicious D.

The similaritys stops there Dirk has never been the rebounder love is, love is not as efficient as dirk with his hots, dirk is a better passer, dirk has a better post game..

Ovratd1up
01-02-2012, 06:05 PM
That isn't even Love's greatest ability, not even close. Oh, and he's definitely as efficient as Dirk with his shot.

GhostfaceDrilla
01-02-2012, 06:05 PM
No disrespect to Love but Dirk is a top 20 player in NBA history and a top 10 shooter in NBA history as well as having a top 5 unguardable shot in NBA history. That said, Love is a very special player. He is the best rebounder in the NBA today and I don't see why he can't be for the next 10 years. He is a better scorer than people give him credit for and isn't a bad passer either. I don't think he will quite reach legend status like Dirk but he very well could win an MVP in this league someday. I think he is only 22 :speechless:

Madtown22
01-02-2012, 06:21 PM
Dirk can create for himself better, Love was a good shooter last year too. He is looking solid this year so far.

bucketss
01-02-2012, 06:32 PM
i think bargnani resembles dirks game the most, except dirk does everything bargnani does 10x better.

SeoulBeatz
01-02-2012, 06:40 PM
His shot has looked much improved, but it's a little too early.

dtmagnet
01-02-2012, 06:53 PM
No disrespect to Love but Dirk is a top 20 player in NBA history and a top 10 shooter in NBA history as well as having a top 5 unguardable shot in NBA history. That said, Love is a very special player. He is the best rebounder in the NBA today and I don't see why he can't be for the next 10 years. He is a better scorer than people give him credit for and isn't a bad passer either. I don't think he will quite reach legend status like Dirk but he very well could win an MVP in this league someday. I think he is only 22 :speechless:

Hmm, I didn't know they had an all-time list for that one.

Iodine
01-02-2012, 07:25 PM
Hmm, I didn't know they had an all-time list for that one.

Hakeem, Kareem, Prime Shaq, McHale, Gervins Finger roll are off the top of my head better lol

thekmp211
01-02-2012, 07:45 PM
kevin love is the first kevin love

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01-02-2012, 08:04 PM
Kevin Love is Kevin Love, he's not the next Dirk.

blastmasta26
01-02-2012, 08:11 PM
These comparisons really are unwarranted unless there are numerous glaring similarities, like Kobe and MJ. Love is not "the next Dirk" regardless of talent because they are different players in terms of their style.

MFFL==FML
01-03-2012, 07:23 AM
Kevin Love is closer to Troy Murphy than he is to Dirk Nowitzki. Kevin Love and Troy Murphy have very similar games but Love is the better scorer. Dirk is incredibly different than both of them.

Heatcheck
01-03-2012, 10:38 AM
Aside from his incredible rebounding, Kevin Love has improved drastically in shooting. His shooting form looks so natural.

When Dirk came in the NBA he was not a post up player. If Love can learn the way Dirk did he has a real good chance of being the better version of dirk.

Dirk was always and will always be a WAAAAY better shooter. So just stop it

daleja424
01-03-2012, 10:40 AM
no even on the same planet.

Love is a capable perimeter spot up guy... and a quality shooter when he gets open looks...but he isn't even remotely close to the kind of shooter dirk is.

Greet
01-03-2012, 10:41 AM
Why is everyone always so concerned with labeling people "The Next so-and-so".

Yes, he's a great shooter, has the same skin color, and his almost as tall...but he's Kevin Love, and he does a lot of things differently from Dirk. He isn't the perimeter player Dirk is, even though he can shoot it. His handles will never be that good.

I do not think it's unfair to say that he potentially could have a stronger overall skill set...

Doubtful on the last point. He won't have Dirks post game. Dirk can post up from anywhere on the floor and hit a shot, and he can get to the rim easily.

daleja424
01-03-2012, 10:42 AM
Here is what the numbers say:

Last year Dirk was over 50% from outside of 10 feet. Love was 34%. This is especially impressive considering that a large portion of Dirk's looks are highly contested.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 10:42 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=nowitdi01&y1=2002&p2=loveke01&y2=2012

year 4 for each (year 3 favors Love even more).

Think y'all need to start watching Love more. His ability to create shots is so much better with this weight loss, the spot up b/s can stop now.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 10:43 AM
Dirk is 7', with a fadeaway and high release. Love doesn't do this.

They are very different players, but I think Love is getting little respect for his very capable outside game, and ability to draw fouls on the perimeter here.

Heatcheck
01-03-2012, 11:05 AM
first off, your comparing one players entire season average, to anothers' first five games. Terrible comparison. I remember one year when Flip murray was the leading scorer in the NBA through the first one or two weeks of the season.

I think the main stat your overlooking is the attempts and how love is a spot up shooter and catches people off guard.

Love gets respect, within reason, i saw him play against the heat, and yeah he has a nice touch from outside, but he will never be a volume outside shooter like dirk, EVER. Dirk is a shooting guard in a 7 foot frame. and players know he's going for the jumper and still cant stop it. its just a case where you have to go deeper than fg%

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 11:35 AM
Doubtful on the last point. He won't have Dirks post game. Dirk can post up from anywhere on the floor and hit a shot, and he can get to the rim easily.

he said overall skillset. Love is already a much better rebounder. His passing/rebounding/scoring defending may one day be stronger than Dirk's, but yeah, I don't see Love being able to create his own offense at the dominant rate Dirk has, simply because Dirk is so tall and has an unblockable shot.

That being said, in this shortened season, Love looks so damn good.

tbone2171
01-03-2012, 11:37 AM
No disrespect to Love but Dirk is a top 20 player in NBA history and a top 10 shooter in NBA history as well as having a top 5 unguardable shot in NBA history. That said, Love is a very special player. He is the best rebounder in the NBA today and I don't see why he can't be for the next 10 years. He is a better scorer than people give him credit for and isn't a bad passer either. I don't think he will quite reach legend status like Dirk but he very well could win an MVP in this league someday. I think he is only 22 :speechless:

Lolwhat?

Iodine
01-03-2012, 11:38 AM
I think the main stat your overlooking is the attempts and how love is a spot up shooter and catches people off guard.

Love gets respect, within reason, i saw him play against the heat, and yeah he has a nice touch from outside, but he will never be a volume outside shooter like dirk, EVER. Dirk is a shooting guard in a 7 foot frame. and players know he's going for the jumper and still cant stop it. its just a case where you have to go deeper than fg%

I don't see anyone, even Hawkeye arguing this lol

Heatcheck
01-03-2012, 11:42 AM
I don't see anyone, even Hawkeye arguing this lol

meaning?

If Im not mistaken, he was saying Love doesnt get enough respect for his outside shot. and considering the name of the thread, i think its pretty relevant to the argument.

Iodine
01-03-2012, 11:54 AM
meaning?

If Im not mistaken, he was saying Love doesnt get enough respect for his outside shot. and considering the name of the thread, i think its pretty relevant to the argument.

Meaning that when we all know that Love will never be as good as dirk shooting wise there is no point brining it up when Hawkeye is saying that people simply view KLove as a spot up shooter.

LTBaByyy
01-03-2012, 12:02 PM
He is on a losing team, I don't see him having the same stats when he gets on an elite team like Dirk had

And I def don't see him ever winning MVP or Finals MVP

But good player

Iodine
01-03-2012, 12:03 PM
He is on a losing team, I don't see him having the same stats when he gets on an elite team like Dirk had

And I def don't see him ever winning MVP or Finals MVP

But good player

Loving all these hypotheticals!

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 12:06 PM
meaning?

If Im not mistaken, he was saying Love doesnt get enough respect for his outside shot. and considering the name of the thread, i think its pretty relevant to the argument.

no, I am saying watch him this year. He is no longer just a spot up shooter. ****, ask Dirk if he is. Love hit 2 stepback bombs in his face off the dribble, and hit 2 long jumpers with Duncan on him last night off the dribble.

Greet
01-03-2012, 12:07 PM
he said overall skillset. Love is already a much better rebounder. His passing/rebounding/scoring defending may one day be stronger than Dirk's, but yeah, I don't see Love being able to create his own offense at the dominant rate Dirk has, simply because Dirk is so tall and has an unblockable shot.

That being said, in this shortened season, Love looks so damn good.

There's a possibility. He easily a better rebounder, Dirk is a decent passer and I believe his defense is a bit underrated. You saw him play good defense when he had good defenders with him. It's like the Derrick Rose effect. You stick a poor/okay defender with better defensive players, and they become a "better" defender.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 12:12 PM
There's a possibility. He easily a better rebounder, Dirk is a decent passer and I believe his defense is a bit underrated. You saw him play good defense when he had good defenders with him. It's like the Derrick Rose effect. You stick a poor/okay defender with better defensive players, and they become a "better" defender.

Love's defense is underrated as well. While he wasn't a shotblocker last year, he held players to 41% shooting because of his understanding of angles, and if you miss, the possession is over. Not saying he is a good defender, but like Dirk, he got the bad defensive player rep early, and its tough to shake that.

Heatcheck
01-03-2012, 12:15 PM
no, I am saying watch him this year. He is no longer just a spot up shooter. ****, ask Dirk if he is. Love hit 2 stepback bombs in his face off the dribble, and hit 2 long jumpers with Duncan on him last night off the dribble.

No no, the shot itself is legit, i just question if he will have the mobility to create them regularly, but if he's already stroking it in peoples faces, it must be coming along nicely.

BALLER R
01-03-2012, 12:21 PM
I think Andrea Bargnani has something to say about that. If you want to compare someone to dirk hes the best fit.

29$JerZ
01-03-2012, 12:21 PM
Love is what I saw David Lee becoming but he took it to another level. There really isn't another PF like him at this moment.

Chronz
01-03-2012, 12:26 PM
Love is what I saw David Lee becoming but he took it to another level. There really isn't another PF like him at this moment.

Funny you mention it, I remember (on another site) where most people took offense to a Rookie Love being compared to Lee.

LTBaByyy
01-03-2012, 12:31 PM
Bargs in Toronto is the person that is capable of becoming Dirk like

Bad team first few years, had to play Center when he is a PF, no defense, amazing shot, rarely post ups

Sounds like Dirk the first few years!! Mark Cuban should buy the Raptors too and change it like the Mavs

Chronz
01-03-2012, 12:53 PM
Bargs in Toronto is the person that is capable of becoming Dirk like

Bad team first few years, had to play Center when he is a PF, no defense, amazing shot, rarely post ups

Sounds like Dirk the first few years!! Mark Cuban should buy the Raptors too and change it like the Mavs
I think they both started off as a SF first, then played some center, then moved to the 4 full time.

Heatcheck
01-03-2012, 12:56 PM
Bargs in Toronto is the person that is capable of becoming Dirk like

Bad team first few years, had to play Center when he is a PF, no defense, amazing shot, rarely post ups

Sounds like Dirk the first few years!! Mark Cuban should buy the Raptors too and change it like the Mavs

whats your definition of AMAZING shot?

mavwar53
01-03-2012, 01:20 PM
They both are big and have range, that is the only thing that makes them similar.

Oh yeah and they are white.

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 01:26 PM
whats your definition of AMAZING shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN8GVYhsXC8

Heatcheck
01-03-2012, 02:16 PM
we can all learn something about shooting from Mr. Jordan

jpagemn
01-03-2012, 06:39 PM
He is on a losing team, I don't see him having the same stats when he gets on an elite team like Dirk had

And I def don't see him ever winning MVP or Finals MVP

But good player

I am so sick of the "losing team" argument. If ANYONE has a skillset that transcends team dynamics, it is an ELITE rebounder with above average shooting skills and range to the three point line. What he does, he does on amazing efficiency numbers, without having the almost-total team usage of some superstars. How would this change if he were on a team like Dirk was on last year?

You are probably right on the MVP argument:

a) He doesn't get on ESPN enough (so national writers with heads up arses won't vote for him, regardless of how well he does)
b) we probably won't get to the finals (so, obviously, he wont get finals MVP)

Swashcuff
01-03-2012, 08:54 PM
I am so sick of the "losing team" argument. If ANYONE has a skillset that transcends team dynamics, it is an ELITE rebounder with above average shooting skills and range to the three point line. What he does, he does on amazing efficiency numbers, without having the almost-total team usage of some superstars. How would this change if he were on a team like Dirk was on last year?

You are probably right on the MVP argument:

a) He doesn't get on ESPN enough (so national writers with heads up arses won't vote for him, regardless of how well he does)
b) we probably won't get to the finals (so, obviously, he wont get finals MVP)

:clap:

Sadly he'll never reply to you.

nickdymez
01-03-2012, 09:01 PM
No. His ballhandling skills will never be what Dirks is. So he wont be able to create his shot the way Dirk can. Also, Dirks little step back shot is unguardable and he's perfected that

Hawkeye15
01-03-2012, 09:15 PM
No. His ballhandling skills will never be what Dirks is. So he wont be able to create his shot the way Dirk can. Also, Dirks little step back shot is unguardable and he's perfected that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqgD7twzrKE

nickdymez
01-03-2012, 09:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqgD7twzrKE

Is that part of his game or are you showing me an example of him doing it?

VikesTwinsWolve
01-05-2012, 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by jpagemn
I am so sick of the "losing team" argument. If ANYONE has a skillset that transcends team dynamics, it is an ELITE rebounder with above average shooting skills and range to the three point line. What he does, he does on amazing efficiency numbers, without having the almost-total team usage of some superstars. How would this change if he were on a team like Dirk was on last year?

You are probably right on the MVP argument:

a) He doesn't get on ESPN enough (so national writers with heads up arses won't vote for him, regardless of how well he does)
b) we probably won't get to the finals (so, obviously, he wont get finals MVP)



Sadly he'll never reply to you.
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Nets/Raiders!
01-05-2012, 12:34 PM
perimeter wise no. but he's still the far superior rebounder. Nowitzki could never crash boards like that