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emman03
01-01-2012, 03:23 AM
I just wondering who is better than MJ? We use MJ a basis of the superiority of the players lets say MJ>LBJ MJ>KB MJ>DWADE MJ>KD MJ>ALL PLAYERS now who is better than MJ? who?>MJ? is DR J. better than MJ? he idolize the DOCTOR so i just wondering who is better than him is he the God??? or what??? I'm not fooling MJ but I just wondering. I know he is the one who open the door to reach the next level of the game but you know what I mean come and think of it.

Name your player if you have so in your mind

Note: This is just for fun and brain storming not to ***** MJ :):clap:

b0nk
01-01-2012, 03:27 AM
harold minor

Gators123
01-01-2012, 03:28 AM
Shumpert

Fresno
01-01-2012, 03:29 AM
1. You've obviously had a few drinks.

2. Please do not drive anywhere

3. Nobody is better than Jordan as an overall player. However if we're talking specific "skills" then there are multiple players who were better than Jordan. Actually the funny part about Jordan is that he wasn't the greatest player at any specific thing, he was just great at nearly every skill.

emman03
01-01-2012, 03:30 AM
I drink a lot sorry your wrong buddy :)

NetsPaint
01-01-2012, 03:32 AM
Bob Barker.

billsftw
01-01-2012, 03:32 AM
LOL the magic of the new year

--23--
01-01-2012, 03:37 AM
no one.

Ladies Man
01-01-2012, 03:40 AM
Brian Scalabrine

shep33
01-01-2012, 03:41 AM
Andray Blatche

Sadds The Gr8
01-01-2012, 03:45 AM
Iman "Jesus Christ" Shumpert

Wade>You
01-01-2012, 03:45 AM
Michael Jordan.

Bulls_fan90
01-01-2012, 03:46 AM
Paul George

49erGiantLaker
01-01-2012, 03:52 AM
Jeremy Lin

ThunderousDemon
01-01-2012, 03:54 AM
Wilt"The Stilt"Chamberlain.

Bos_Sports4Life
01-01-2012, 04:00 AM
Wilt"The Stilt"Chamberlain.

The case for Russell as far as being the Greatest of ALL TIME...
Now, call me a moron all you want, but read what i have types, and than decide for yourself. Also, im not saying Russell would be the best player RIGHT NOW. im saying Russell dominated his era more than anyone has dominated there's, even more so than MJ/Wilt/Kareem, read on..

Russells Defense is beyond legendary and was the Reason he captured back to back NCAA titles and after won 11 NBA titles in a 13 yr stretch (13 titles in 15 yrs) and if you want too go back too hs, he won 18 titles in 21 yrs..this is how good his defense is..

YR Drtg Rank Diff from League Avg. Diff from 2nd place
1956 90.4 6/8 -1.5
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1957 82.4 1/8 4.8 2.5
1958 82.0 1/8 5.2 3.9
1959 83.0 1/8 5.8 4.4
1960 83.9 1/8 6.2 1.8
1961 83.0 1/8 8.2 4.6
1962 84.3 1/8 8.7 6.3
1963 86.6 1/9 9.0 6.1
1964 82.7 1/9 11.5 5.6
1965 83.1 1/9 9.9 8.1
1966 87.3 1/9 7.1 4.0
1967 90.8 1/10 4.9 1.7
1968 92.0 2/12 4.6 -
1969 88.4 1/14 6.8 2.8
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1970 98.5 7/16 0.6 -

*1956 (the yr before Russell)
* 1957 (the yr after Russell)
(1) The Celtics led the league in defense in 12 of Russells' 13 years
(2) From 1958-1966 they dominated the league defensively like no team I can find for a 9 year period
(3) From 1961-1965 the ran off 5 consecutive historically dominant seasons. Look at those numbers.
(4) Before Russell they were a bottom defensive team and immediately jumped 6.3 relative points and 8.0 raw points to the top.
(5) After Russell they dropped to the middle of the pack, losing 6.2 relative points and 10.1 raw points.

According to Neil's method at B-R, who is slightly underestimating Boston's pace relative to the simple method (because he's assuming fewer turnovers are in play), those uber-dominant Celtics teams are the 3rd, 5th, 6th, 8th and 14th best defensive teams of all time, relative to competition. And there's nothing remotely comparable in NBA history for such sustained defensive dominance.


Basically where im getting at is the 50's-60's celtics won on defense and the driving force behind the defense was Bill Russell, He was by far the biggest part of this defense as you can see. The defense outside of Russell? it was meh, nothing special, as The graph shows.

Now, on too my next point.
The myth Russell had Great offensive support to cover up his one weakness (scoring)

now, Talking about the Celtics offense. it's a mistruth that Russell had all-world offensive support. first of all, Celtics were most years below average on offense, sometimes just downright league's bottom. (that's if you look at their ORTG, not PPG inflated by pace) if those stars were really as good as advertised then Celtics would be at least above average, and more likely, one of the league leaders in that regard. that was just... not what happened.
The Celtics offense was OBVIOUSLY good enough, but it wasn't average in some of those years, nevermind all-world offense some claim he had.
Most of those hof'ers are in becaus They were apart of a team that won 11 titles in a 13 yr stretch, not becaus they were actual legit hof'ers. Guys like KC Jones are in the hof for god sakes.
Now, you may be saying great, he dominated on defense, but guys like MJ could do it on BOTH SIDES, well thats flawed when Russells defense makes a Bigger Impact than even MJ had on offense. Russell made a decent group of defenders a dominating force that is like 2 ballparks above everyone else. Russell led a bunch of average defenders, into Historically GREAT defenses. Could MJ/Magic with average offense around them, Make them into Historically GREAT offenses? I don't think so...

Now, To my next topic, advanced stats (win shares/per.)
Years, such as 1969 People like too point out Russell was sometimes 3rd-4th in some of these numbers. Well this is EXTREMLY missleading for someone who Mastered All of the little things, that don't show up in box scores.
Examples in '69, Russell was behind Nelson/Havlick i believe in playoff win shares/per 48. These stats don't do Russell justice as he was the main reason for opponents poor shooting. Also..
*the Celtics without Russell and WITH Havlicek, Nelson, etc., went 0-5. Happened again in '62. Russell misses a stretch of games due to injury, Celtics can't win. Russell comes back to the lineup, Celtics win again. We saw it in '58. Russell gets injured in the Finals, Celtics don't win title. With a healthy Russell, they win eight straight. This is not a coincidence
*Don't forget that Russell was also coaching in addition to playing 46 minutes a game at 35 years old. It baffles me that people suggesting that he would rank behind a couple of teammates because they say they had better numbers, when Russell is the one player whose contributions to winning are unquantifiable.

Also, Too the people who like to Say wilt> Russell becaus of numbers, you need to do some serious research on each career. Its also a myth that Russell only won becaus he had better teammates. For example in '69' When the celtics were the last seed to make it in, and he led a bunch of old vets and he beat 2 better teams on paper that yr (knicks/lakers.) Including beating LA IN Game 7 ON THE ROAD, against a trio led by Wilt himself, West, and Baylor.

Here's a great quote that sums up the competitor Wilt was
"In a way, I like it better when we lose. It’s over and I can look forward to the next game. If we win, it builds up the tension and I start worrying about the next game.”- Wilt Chamberlain



Which brings me to my last point

* Russell is the ONLY member of those 11 title teams during that 13 yr stretch
* The 2 longest losing streaks of that whole era, was when Russell went down with injury
* The Celtics went from Winning there 11th title in 13 yrs in '69 to missing the playoffs the following year.
Also, What did Russell do when it mattered? He was a perfect 11-0 In deciding games (10-0 in game 7's, 1-0 in game 5)

In conclusion, His stats don't look all time great, But he made his teammates better than they looked, and knew how too win, and he won ALOT. To say guys like MJ/Wilt are better based on stats imo is unfair when you can CLEARLY see Russells impact on his teams, and his impact was HUGE. So, do stats tell the whole strory? Not even close...

lakers4sho
01-01-2012, 04:01 AM
God Shammgod

D-Will4Prez
01-01-2012, 04:02 AM
Wilt and Bird are the only ones with an argument. Maybe Bill Russell.

Iodine
01-01-2012, 04:06 AM
Bismack

InB4stupidMikeJamesmemethatshouldhavedied2yearsago

Iodine
01-01-2012, 04:08 AM
God Shammgod

Sham Sports>>Life

SportsAndrew25
01-01-2012, 04:21 AM
No one could ever beat a resume like this:

6ื NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
5ื NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998)
14ื NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003)
6ื NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998)
10ื NBA scoring champion (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
3ื NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1993)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
10ื All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)
9ื NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
3ื NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
2ื NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987–1988)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
#23 Retired by Chicago Bulls and Miami Heat
NCAA Champion (1982)
2ื Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (1983–1984)
ACC Player of the Year (1984)
Oscar Robertson Trophy (1984)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1984)
John R. Wooden Award (1984)
Adolph Rupp Trophy (1984)

If anyone could beat a resume like this, that person would be the greatest basketball player of all time.

Hawkeye15
01-01-2012, 04:28 AM
nobody

gaughan333
01-01-2012, 04:30 AM
other than me? No one

KB-Pau-DH2012
01-01-2012, 04:30 AM
Kobe Bryant ;)

gaughan333
01-01-2012, 04:34 AM
Kobe Bryant ;)

only at getting caught cheating

metswon69
01-01-2012, 04:43 AM
Wilt was the most dominant player maybe of all time, but Jordan was the best overall.

Chacarron
01-01-2012, 04:48 AM
The better question is will there ever be a player better than Jordan?

FrenchSunsFan
01-01-2012, 04:55 AM
The Scott brothers ( one three hill)

FuriousJatt
01-01-2012, 05:17 AM
skill wise it could be magic johnson... the guy played every position to perfection

goldenstater
01-01-2012, 05:18 AM
The better question is will there ever be a player better than Jordan?

im sure its possible but in this era( which is a great one imo) i dont see anyone on his level and that is including Lebron, wade, and Kobe who are all greats in their own right. but no one now i dont think. but you never know, i personally think its possible there to be equals but none better.

Bos_Sports4Life
01-01-2012, 05:29 AM
No one could ever beat a resume like this:

6ื NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
5ื NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998)
14ื NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003)
6ื NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998)
10ื NBA scoring champion (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
3ื NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1993)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
10ื All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)
9ื NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
3ื NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
2ื NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987–1988)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
#23 Retired by Chicago Bulls and Miami Heat
NCAA Champion (1982)
2ื Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (1983–1984)
ACC Player of the Year (1984)
Oscar Robertson Trophy (1984)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1984)
John R. Wooden Award (1984)
Adolph Rupp Trophy (1984)

If anyone could beat a resume like this, that person would be the greatest basketball player of all time.



Slam dunk champ means nothing. All star game mvp's also mean absolutely nothing.

A lot of those awards like finals mvp wasn't around when Russell was playing, again, counting those things in mj's favor when comparing mj/russell isn't fair considering Russell would have a bunch as well...

Bill Russell

* 2X NCAA Champ as the best player (Mj was 2nd too worthy when he won)

* 5x League MVP (Same as mj)

* 11X NBA Champ (More than anyone)

———-Playoff Averages:16.2 points, 24.9 boards, 4.7 assists, 43.0% FG, 60.3% FT

———-Finals Averages:16.1 points, 30.2 boards, 5.8 assists, N/A FG%, 53.1% FT

Bos_Sports4Life
01-01-2012, 05:34 AM
Wilt was the most dominant player maybe of all time, but Jordan was the best overall.

” To Bill, every game-every championship game-was a challenge, a test to his manhood. He took the game so seriously that he threw up in the locker room before almost every game.

“But I tend to look at basketball as a game, not a life-or-death struggle. I don’t need scoring titles or NBA Championships to prove that girls, friends, the beach, freedom-to get emotionally wrapped up in basketball.

“I think Bill knew I felt that way, and I think he both envied and resented my attitude. On the one hand, I think he wished he could learn to take things easier, too; on the other hand, I think he may have felt that with my natural ability and willingness to work hard, my teams could have won an NBA Championship every year if I was as totally committed to victory as he was.

“I wish I had won all those Championships, but I really think I grew as a man in defeat that Russell did in victory.”- Wilt Chamberlain

Iodine
01-01-2012, 05:35 AM
Oh jesus who let Bill Simmons in here?

Chi StateOfMind
01-01-2012, 05:46 AM
Nobody.

Knicks21
01-01-2012, 05:55 AM
Tim Tebow.

naps
01-01-2012, 05:56 AM
There will never be another Basketball player as good as Jordan. May be someone will matchup his resume (Highly unlikely though but just for argument's sake), but God can't create someone else as dynamic as Jordan, let alone better than him. He's the epitome of this game. The ultimate symbol. The signature. The man who carries the word "Basketball" throughout the universe.

Method28
01-01-2012, 05:56 AM
Tim Tebow.

x 2...easily

Lakeshow24KB
01-01-2012, 05:57 AM
Brian scalabrine

natelpete
01-01-2012, 06:22 AM
Being completely honest, Lebron is a better player and will go down as being the best of all time.. He may not win as many championships as Jordan, but he is an all around better player than Jordan, and will go down in the record books as so.

theheatles
01-01-2012, 06:22 AM
Len Bias

MJ-BULLS
01-01-2012, 06:29 AM
Nobody is better than mj. Oh maybe scal.

AFlagRules
01-01-2012, 06:32 AM
You guys obviously have no clue..

MarShon Brooks.

MJ-BULLS
01-01-2012, 06:35 AM
Nop the white panther.

mdm692
01-01-2012, 06:42 AM
Tim tebow

Doogolas
01-01-2012, 07:25 AM
Being completely honest, Lebron is a better player and will go down as being the best of all time.. He may not win as many championships as Jordan, but he is an all around better player than Jordan, and will go down in the record books as so.

I would write a long reply, but this is just wrong. MJ was better or equal to LeBron in pretty much every facet that can be named.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-01-2012, 07:41 AM
Being completely honest, Lebron is a better player and will go down as being the best of all time.. He may not win as many championships as Jordan, but he is an all around better player than Jordan, and will go down in the record books as so.

not without rings

CityofTreez
01-01-2012, 07:46 AM
The better question is will there ever be a player better than Jordan?

What kind of question is that?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-01-2012, 07:58 AM
mike james or coby karl

Confusious
01-01-2012, 08:04 AM
Michael Jordan is the greatest athlete in history.

I don't care if he sucked *** at baseball. Doesn't change the fact that he's a beast.


I would write a long reply, but this is just wrong. MJ was better or equal to LeBron in pretty much every facet that can be named.
Equal? Lmfao, that's being a little generous.

aussie
01-01-2012, 08:17 AM
norris cole

Corey
01-01-2012, 09:36 AM
Really?