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MFFL==FML
12-15-2011, 11:35 PM
How bad do you rank his contract? Granted he is a top 10 player right now, he will be taking about half of his team's salary for several years to come.

Kobe Bryant

$25,244,000 (11/12)

$27,849,000 (12/13)

$30,453,000 (13/14)

310Casper
12-15-2011, 11:40 PM
Arguably still the best player in the world. He's worth it, but things will get interesting when he has 1 year left.

As far as the money invested, its an investment that pays back 10 fold to the organization. Ticket sells, jerseys, 5 championships, the list goes on. Same argument with Pujols, they already sold over 1,000 season tickets in the first 4 days after signing him.

But with it about to become half the team salary cap...ouch. All teams will have to adjust somehow, the days of having 3 max players wont go on forever, unless they take massive paycuts like the Heat.

Better-Than-You
12-15-2011, 11:40 PM
top 10?? Say hes a top 10 to his face and he will light up your team for 50+

Better-Than-You
12-15-2011, 11:42 PM
How bad is his contract? He makes 80m for the Lakers a year; since when is making 50m for your employer a bad contract??????????

bovice163
12-15-2011, 11:43 PM
It's Kobe ****ing Bryant, how much do you expect him to make? Dude has 5 rings, and to be completely honest, he's been underpaid for what he's done for the Lakers in terms of bringing in revenue and championships. Don't disrespect the man now.

Greet
12-15-2011, 11:43 PM
From a scale of 1 to Derek Jeter, I'll say an 8.

Better-Than-You
12-15-2011, 11:46 PM
Derek Jeter isn't even a top 10 SS. Kobe is a Top 2 SG at WORST. So much disrespect....

Bruno
12-15-2011, 11:50 PM
haha.

Pakman
12-15-2011, 11:56 PM
Derek Jeter isn't even a top 10 SS. Kobe is a Top 2 SG at WORST. So much disrespect....

This.

shep33
12-16-2011, 12:00 AM
This guy makes the Lakers something like 80 mill per year. He's worth every penny. Plus he's pretty damn good. Top 2 shooting guard at worst

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 12:02 AM
I'm rich ******!

Raps08-09 Champ
12-16-2011, 12:05 AM
How bad is his contract? He makes 80m for the Lakers a year; since when is making 50m for your employer a bad contract??????????

Yea, but this isn't baseball where you can spend as much as you want. There's a cap limit.

jewno
12-16-2011, 12:05 AM
Arguably still the best player in the world. He's worth it, but things will get interesting when he has 1 year left.

As far as the money invested, its an investment that pays back 10 fold to the organization. Ticket sells, jerseys, 5 championships, the list goes on. Same argument with Pujols, they already sold over 1,000 season tickets in the first 4 days after signing him.

But with it about to become half the team salary cap...ouch. All teams will have to adjust somehow, the days of having 3 max players wont go on forever, unless they take massive paycuts like the Heat.

only casual fans that dont know **** still think kobe is the best in the world.

Better-Than-You
12-16-2011, 12:06 AM
Yea, but this isn't baseball where you can spend as much as you want. There's a cap limit.

NBA is a business.. just shut up.

Raps08-09 Champ
12-16-2011, 12:08 AM
NBA is a business.. just shut up.

I see you still do not get the point.

It's great at the fact he makes 50 mil for the Lakers. But there's still a cap limit regardless.

Learn some basketball before talking to me.

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 12:11 AM
NBA is a business.. just shut up.

It's also a league where people play basketball and compete for a championship. Kobe's contract is awful.

Avenged
12-16-2011, 12:13 AM
It's Kobe Bryant.. as a Lakers fan I can't be mad. Deserves it for what he's done/brought to the franchise.

DodgerBulls
12-16-2011, 12:19 AM
It's the parting gift from the Lakers to Kobe. Money wise, Kobe deserves it as Lakers are cashing in more money than his contract. Cap wise, it's arguable, but just like I said, it is the parting contract. After this contract, Kobe won't see that much money again. It is either retire or swallow his pride and settle for less money and/or role.

DodgerBulls
12-16-2011, 12:20 AM
It's also a league where people play basketball and compete for a championship. Kobe's contract is awful.

Just like in business, you give up money/assets to show appreciation.

Lakers + Giants
12-16-2011, 12:21 AM
It's worth it, he won us 5 chips. That's more than fans from other teams will see in their entire life time and he did it in a decade. Lakers just overpaying him out of respect for everything he's done.

ankit
12-16-2011, 12:23 AM
Come on man its Kobe Bryant if anyone deserves that it is him and only him. No Lebron is not much better and No Duran is not better and neither is Wade or Rose or Blake Griffin, Its Kobe he is Mr Clutch he is the face of basketball end of story and he will be better than Jordon when he gets two more rings thats it. I would pay him 50 million a year too, 20 to 25 million is an absolute steal

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 12:28 AM
Just like in business, you give up money/assets to show appreciation.
I see you did well in business class.

Lakeshow24KB
12-16-2011, 12:30 AM
Come on man its Kobe Bryant if anyone deserves that it is him and only him. No Lebron is not much better and No Duran is not better and neither is Wade or Rose or Blake Griffin, Its Kobe he is Mr Clutch he is the face of basketball end of story and he will be better than Jordon when he gets two more rings thats it. I would pay him 50 million a year too, 20 to 25 million is an absolute steal

I agree with everything you just said accept for the Jordan part. Will people let that go already? But anyways idgaf how much money the man makes. I'm not paying him.

Gibby
12-16-2011, 12:33 AM
he is worth it, if there wasnt a salary cap.

AKAYaReal
12-16-2011, 12:41 AM
In terms of salary cap, the Lakers can restructure his deal so he gets paid that over the course of 5yrs in stead of 3 if need be.

But never the less, the man has earned the right. By the time he gets to his last season, the Lakers might be out of the championship race, so cap room may not be as big of an issue.

OutOfTHEBLUE
12-16-2011, 12:49 AM
Kobe gets paid less than what he's worth to the Lakers, as is the case with the vast majority of superstars.

Add in the fact that he is a very special player on a very special team, and his paycheck is a relative bargain.

carter80
12-16-2011, 12:50 AM
How bad do you rank his contract? Granted he is a top 10 player right now, he will be taking about half of his team's salary for several years to come.

Kobe Bryant

$25,244,000 (11/12)

$27,849,000 (12/13)

$30,453,000 (13/14)

thats a funny statement, is this why everyone complains about the nba forums

kobebabe
12-16-2011, 01:11 AM
it's kobe ****ing bryant, how much do you expect him to make? Dude has 5 rings, and to be completely honest, he's been underpaid for what he's done for the lakers in terms of bringing in revenue and championships. Don't disrespect the man now.

+1

blystr2002
12-16-2011, 01:22 AM
You keeping say there is a cap, but it is a soft cap. The Lakers go over the cap every year and just pay the Luxury Tax. They make the money back. They just signed something like 150 million dollar T.V. contract. How much of that is due to going over the cap and winning the championships with Kobe or the fact that he is the most popular player in the world and they sell millions of dollars of merchandise in countries like China. Yes he is worth because they can afford it.

Chronz
12-16-2011, 01:27 AM
Larry Coon had an article where he ranked Kobe as among the worst values in terms of productive/rankings. But he openly states that in real life, his popularity effects revenue streams

LA_Raiders
12-16-2011, 01:34 AM
He is worthed every penny...

The Final Boss
12-16-2011, 01:36 AM
It's worth it, he won us 5 chips. That's more than fans from other teams will see in their entire life time and he did it in a decade. Lakers just overpaying him out of respect for everything he's done.

Los Angeles Giants?:facepalm:


I see you did well in business class.

They have business classes in Nantucket?


Larry Coon had an article where he ranked Kobe as among the worst values in terms of productive/rankings. But he openly states that in real life, his popularity effects revenue streams


Who's Larry Coon?

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 01:45 AM
They have business classes in Nantucket?

I'm from Canada.

numba1CHANGsta
12-16-2011, 01:49 AM
Compare this contract to Albert Pujols contract 9 years from now when he's 40 and making 25 Million

kpstunna85
12-16-2011, 01:58 AM
kobe bryant makes the lakers over 100million in revenue... so paying him a good 23-30 million is nothing. They don't mind paying an extra 10-20 million on luxury taxes if they can get good players to surround him. Winning championships brings the team $$$... therefor in the end, there is always a profit. But the thing is. they have to win a championship... Get howard. lose bynum and gasol... technical u get about 5-8 million back... so they can sign a 3rd player for that much... 8million a year is still alot,

LAKobeBryant
12-16-2011, 02:00 AM
he the best player in the world, thats why can be a millionaire by playing one basketball game. He got offered $2mill to just play 1 basketball game in italy and still rejected it lol

OaklandsFinest
12-16-2011, 02:05 AM
"I want to be the only great player on my team and be the one responsible for our victories" Kobe Bryant circa 2003

"I want to be traded, I never want to play another game in Laker uniform. They haven't put any pieces around me" Kobe Bryant circa 2005

"I want half the teams salary cap but I want you to sign 2 of the top 5 players in the league" Kobe Bryant 2011...

Noticing a trend here???

OaklandsFinest
12-16-2011, 02:07 AM
he the best player in the world, thats why can be a millionaire by playing one basketball game. He got offered $2mill to just play 1 basketball game in italy and still rejected it lol

Best player in the world?!?! Really?! He's not even the best player on the west coast anymore let alone his own city. Kobe was the best player on the planet for 2 seasons. He is no longer the best player in the world. Hell of a scorer, and in 1-2 minute increments is still pretty filthy, but over 48 mins, not top 10.

LAKobeBryant
12-16-2011, 02:09 AM
Best player in the world?!?! Really?! He's not even the best player on the west coast anymore let alone his own city. Kobe was the best player on the planet for 2 seasons. He is no longer the best player in the world. Hell of a scorer, and in 1-2 minute increments is still pretty filthy, but over 48 mins, not top 10.

please name 10 players in this planet better than kobe. you make me laugh :facepalm:

Jeff559
12-16-2011, 02:13 AM
The Lakers window is closing. The last two years of his contract will make it hard for the Lakers to make moves. they better hope Dwight gets traded there..

Ty Fast
12-16-2011, 02:17 AM
thats a lot of money

sunnydayin'zona
12-16-2011, 02:19 AM
I hate kobe, but he earned what he makes. in fact, he still does earn it. he's worth that much to any team in the league.

ankit
12-16-2011, 02:23 AM
The Lakers window is closing. The last two years of his contract will make it hard for the Lakers to make moves. they better hope Dwight gets traded there..

This :facepalm: from a warrior fan when was the last time the Warriors even had a window loll. :clap: The Lakers Window ain't closing until Kobe decides to retire he ain't retiring for another 5 years minimum.

Monta is beast
12-16-2011, 02:27 AM
Without Kobe the Lakers are not the Lakers.

Monta is beast
12-16-2011, 02:30 AM
This :facepalm: from a warrior fan when was the last time the Warriors even had a window loll. :clap: The Lakers Window ain't closing until Kobe decides to retire he ain't retiring for another 5 years minimum.

Come on man, don't be dissin my team. Like I said before Kobe is everything to that franchise, he is worth every penny. And by the way, things are changing in Golden State, whens the last time you heard the Warriors going after superstars & big name free agents. "Big things are coming".

ThunderousDemon
12-16-2011, 02:32 AM
Larry Coon had an article where he ranked Kobe as among the worst values in terms of productive/rankings. But he openly states that in real life, his popularity effects revenue streams

link?

ankit
12-16-2011, 02:35 AM
Come on man, don't be dissin my team. Like I said before Kobe is everything to that franchise, he is worth every penny. And by the way, things are changing in Golden State, whens the last time you heard the Warriors going after superstars & big name free agents. "Big things are coming".

Only the Warriors loll not the San Francisco Giants loll we all know they won the world series in 2010 and they have the best legal pot in the world loll :D

MTar786
12-16-2011, 03:28 AM
I see you still do not get the point.

It's great at the fact he makes 50 mil for the Lakers. But there's still a cap limit regardless.

Learn some basketball before talking to me.

thats why the lakers have no problem going OVER the cap. because kobe rakes in so much money for them.
ps. he doesnt make them 50 mil. he makes them 80mil a year

MTar786
12-16-2011, 03:32 AM
hmm. marc gasol make 14 a year. would you rather have 2 marc gasols or 1 kobe?
kwame makes 7 mil. would you rather have 3 kwames or 1 kobe?
duncan earns 20mil. would you rather have 1 duncan or 1 kobe?
tyson chandler earns 14.. would you rather have 2 chanlders or 1 kobe?

basically.. kobe is worth every penny.

jmoney85
12-16-2011, 03:36 AM
Derek Jeter isn't even a top 10 SS. Kobe is a Top 2 SG at WORST. So much disrespect....

derek jeter isnt a top 10 ss? you must be on drugs

5ass
12-16-2011, 03:46 AM
i dont see why he deserves almost double what lebron is making :shrug:

naps
12-16-2011, 03:50 AM
It's a god awful contract when you think he eats up half of the CAP. Don't give me that "He makes $$$ for the franchise" BS. I am not saying he doesn't deserve the money but it's the worst contract in the league in terms of CAP.

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 02:26 PM
hmm. marc gasol make 14 a year. would you rather have 2 marc gasols or 1 kobe?
kwame makes 7 mil. would you rather have 3 kwames or 1 kobe?
duncan earns 20mil. would you rather have 1 duncan or 1 kobe?
tyson chandler earns 14.. would you rather have 2 chanlders or 1 kobe?

basically.. kobe is worth every penny.

lol well I guess you convinced me...

ink
12-16-2011, 02:37 PM
link?


A glance at the chart shows that most players are paid pretty much what you'd expect; in other words, most players are clustered around the trend line. The guys sitting out there by themselves are called "outliers." The farther a player is located above the trend line, the more overpaid he is. Conversely, the guys comfortably below the trend line are underpaid.

By looking at exactly how far each player sits above or below the line, we can tell who's the most overpaid and underpaid. Here are the results:


Most overpaid
Player #NBArank Expected Salary Actual Salary
Michael Redd, MIL 252 $3,712,735 $18,300,000
Rashard Lewis, WAS 144 $6,961,039 $19,573,711
Gilbert Arenas, ORL 172 $5,914,274 $17,730,694
Eddy Curry, N/A 493 $913,154 $11,596,822
Peja Stojakovic, DAL 248 $3,800,181 $14,034,483
Vince Carter, PHX 121 $7,958,008 $17,522,375
Kobe Bryant, LAL 7 $15,450,923 $24,806,250
Andrei Kirilenko, UTH 90 $9,531,563 $17,823,000
Troy Murphy, GS/BOS 263 $3,484,494 $11,657,324
Kenyon Martin, DEN 102 $8,888,593 $16,545,454

This measure is based on the player's raw distance above the trend line, which is why Michael Redd ($14.587 million above his expected salary) is higher on the chart than Eddy Curry ($10.684 million above). When you look at the same data from a different perspective, Curry makes nearly 13 times his expected salary -- by far the highest discrepancy in the league.

This also explains why Kobe Bryant is on this list at all. On the strict basis of the expected salary for the seventh-ranked player, Bryant would be expected to make $15.451 million. His actual salary of $24.806 million is $9.355 million higher than expected.

You could argue that guys like Bryant are the icons of the league -- they are the reason seats are filled, networks carry NBA games, and fans wears jerseys. Guys like Channing Frye and Drew Gooden, not so much. The superstars are responsible for the lion's share of the league's revenue, and should be paid accordingly. By that measure, you could legitimately say guys like Bryant are actually underpaid. But strictly on the basis of the expected salary based on a player's #NBArank, Bryant is overpaid.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/salaries-111019/

Overpaid according to performance/ranking; underpaid according to marketing value/hype.

Raps08-09 Champ
12-16-2011, 02:47 PM
thats why the lakers have no problem going OVER the cap. because kobe rakes in so much money for them.
ps. he doesnt make them 50 mil. he makes them 80mil a year

The guy I quoted said 50 mil. :shrug:

But yea, I understand that's why they are able to go over the cap so much. But in technical terms, it is technically not attractive if you take up over 1/3 of your teams cap.

That's why a hard cap is important. What's the point of having a cap if you are able to basically go spend 1/2 more. The cap is 60 mil and we see teams going over 90 mil in total.

JordansBulls
12-16-2011, 02:53 PM
How bad do you rank his contract? Granted he is a top 10 player right now, he will be taking about half of his team's salary for several years to come.

Kobe Bryant

$25,244,000 (11/12)

$27,849,000 (12/13)

$30,453,000 (13/14)

Doesnt matter now, his salary has gotten results and titles for LA. Better than guys who get 20 million and cant even make the conference finals.

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 02:57 PM
Doesnt matter now, his salary has gotten results and titles for LA. Better than guys who get 20 million and cant even make the conference finals.

So putting your team in cap struggle now is warranted because he was part of championship teams in the past? Now doesn't matter, **** the future!

xnick5757
12-16-2011, 02:58 PM
please name 10 players in this planet better than kobe. you make me laugh :facepalm:

i can only name five:

lebron/howard/wade/paul/durant

and if i was building a team, I would rather have those five and:

love/westbrook/rose

then Kobe.


In terms of PER, Kobe falls into the third tier of players.

first tier: Lebron, Howard

second tier: Wade, Love

third tier: Kobe, Paul, Durant, Westbrook, Rose, Dirk, and Gasol.

Cano-Montero...
12-16-2011, 03:04 PM
The Lakers window is closing. The last two years of his contract will make it hard for the Lakers to make moves. they better hope Dwight gets traded there..

First and foremost the lakers dont need to make moves since Mitch and etc perfectly planned for it... when Kobe's contract end after 3 seasons, it is the same year pau, blake and artest also ends...No one is signed for more than 3 seasons...so It wont be a big deal... for the next 3 season Lakers hope to build around Kobe with some wise signings and deals not more than 3 years unless its for a superstar like Dwight...

tmacmamba
12-16-2011, 03:05 PM
i dont see why he deserves almost double what lebron is making :shrug:

Really you don't see why he deserves double? i think its because Kobe doesn't take a nap in the 4th quarter. :clap:

Raps08-09 Champ
12-16-2011, 03:11 PM
I'm starting to believe tmacmamba is the new Pinnacleflash.

The trolling he does is off the charts. Not Pinnacle trolling but he's starting to get pretty close.

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Really you don't see why he deserves double? i think its because Kobe doesn't take a nap in the 4th quarter. :clap:

4th quarter yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

KB-Pau-DH2012
12-16-2011, 03:16 PM
i dont see why he deserves almost double what lebron is making :shrug:

Maybe because he's almost double as good as LeBron. ;)

Thegame187
12-16-2011, 03:17 PM
I see you still do not get the point.

It's great at the fact he makes 50 mil for the Lakers. But there's still a cap limit regardless.

Learn some basketball before talking to me.

You guys are looking at it from 2 different view points. On one had yeah he costs you 30 but makes you 80 so he is good in that regard. On the other hand he is a 30 mill salary in a league where 20 is a big salary so he is taking 10mill away from the team as there is a limit (say he was only making 20, then Lamar could have been seen as free, so in that regard yeah he is hurting your team with the overall cost). That said, you can say he aint the best anymore and all of that, but the fact remains when you need a play (not a shoot, an actual play) to win a title in the final seconds of a game 7, not only is he your best option, but he is the most proven option. Until someone can step up and change that fact (i.e. be clutch at that level that often) then he is simply worth every dime, there are some amazing value guys (rookies like Griffin, Rose, or other great 20 mill players, Wade, Lebron, Durant) but they aint brought you as much titles as Kobe has.

Now compare the Billups for 2mill........well if the guy is a happy man being there, then he is the best contract on the market

mavwar53
12-16-2011, 03:21 PM
top 10?? Say hes a top 10 to his face and he will light up your team for 50+

Stupidest statement ever made.

time4change
12-16-2011, 03:21 PM
only casual fans that dont know **** still think kobe is the best in the world.

U must be one of the delusional and still think The Bron is lol.

GeekInThePink
12-16-2011, 03:22 PM
From a scale of 1 to Derek Jeter, I'll say an 8.

I totally LOLed at this.

Raps08-09 Champ
12-16-2011, 03:22 PM
You guys are looking at it from 2 different view points. On one had yeah he costs you 30 but makes you 80 so he is good in that regard. On the other hand he is a 30 mill salary in a league where 20 is a big salary so he is taking 10mill away from the team as there is a limit (say he was only making 20, then Lamar could have been seen as free, so in that regard yeah he is hurting your team with the overall cost). That said, you can say he aint the best anymore and all of that, but the fact remains when you need a play (not a shoot, an actual play) to win a title in the final seconds of a game 7, not only is he your best option, but he is the most proven option. Until someone can step up and change that fact (i.e. be clutch at that level that often) then he is simply worth every dime, there are some amazing value guys (rookies like Griffin, Rose, or other great 20 mill players, Wade, Lebron, Durant) but they aint brought you as much titles as Kobe has.

Now compare the Billups for 2mill........well if the guy is a happy man being there, then he is the best contract on the market

I'm looking at it from the point that I'd look at for everyone else.

He's looking at it from a point where if it is Kobe, he'll find another way to make the contract justifiable(even if it is) and completely troll around if it was another player.

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 03:23 PM
You guys are looking at it from 2 different view points. On one had yeah he costs you 30 but makes you 80 so he is good in that regard. On the other hand he is a 30 mill salary in a league where 20 is a big salary so he is taking 10mill away from the team as there is a limit (say he was only making 20, then Lamar could have been seen as free, so in that regard yeah he is hurting your team with the overall cost). That said, you can say he aint the best anymore and all of that, but the fact remains when you need a play (not a shoot, an actual play) to win a title in the final seconds of a game 7, not only is he your best option, but he is the most proven option. Until someone can step up and change that fact (i.e. be clutch at that level that often) then he is simply worth every dime, there are some amazing value guys (rookies like Griffin, Rose, or other great 20 mill players, Wade, Lebron, Durant) but they aint brought you as much titles as Kobe has.

Now compare the Billups for 2mill........well if the guy is a happy man being there, then he is the best contract on the market

Let me get this straight, you're arguing that Kobe is worth every dollar because he's the most likely to make the final shot under the most unlikely of scenarios that there can be(last shot, finals, game 7)? I don't know where these facts come from. Where did you find this fact? Maybe Metta World Peace should be making $30 mil for making the biggest game 7 shot in recent memory...

envymamba24
12-16-2011, 03:24 PM
top 10?? Say hes a top 10 to his face and he will light up your team for 50+

preach it brotha

beasted86
12-16-2011, 03:25 PM
Worth it to the Lakers.... not worth it to probably 28 of the other 29 teams.

He is basically untradeable for the duration of his contract.

tmacmamba
12-16-2011, 03:26 PM
I'm starting to believe tmacmamba is the new Pinnacleflash.

The trolling he does is off the charts. Not Pinnacle trolling but he's starting to get pretty close.

How am i trolling? I believe i'm speaking the truth am i not? Let me ask you why do you hate the Lakers?

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 03:30 PM
How am i trolling? I believe i'm speaking the truth am i not? Let me ask you why do you hate the Lakers?

Delusional ppl believe their myths to be truth.

jbeezy
12-16-2011, 03:31 PM
It's also a league where people play basketball and compete for a championship. Kobe's contract is awful.

So you are saying the Lakers will not compete this season?

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 03:32 PM
So you are saying the Lakers will not compete this season?

They will compete, but likely not for a championship if they don't make changes.

tmacmamba
12-16-2011, 03:40 PM
Delusional ppl believe their myths to be truth.

Let me ask you this was Kobe worth his contract the very minute he signed it? Be honest.

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 03:50 PM
Let me ask you this was Kobe worth his contract the very minute he signed it? Be honest.

No. His contract is awful. It won't help the team win. If he complains about management and their decision making, he should first complain that they gave him too much money.

THE GIPPER
12-16-2011, 03:54 PM
top 10?? Say hes a top 10 to his face and he will light up your team for 50+

haha he couldnt even get a layup against the mavs last year till what, game 4?

beliges
12-16-2011, 03:55 PM
They will compete, but likely not for a championship if they don't make changes.

The guy won 5 championships and was probably the most marquee player to ever play for the fraicnise, a franchise which is the most decorated and highly valued team in the history of the game. The franchise gave him this contract as a way of saying thank you and a way of showing their appreciation for what he has done for this team. Kobe has done more for his team than any player has ever done for their respective teams outside of MJ. This contract is the last contract Kobe will have in my opinion and the Lakers wanted to show their appreciation by giving him this deal. Essentially making him untradeable. This is why the Lakers are the greatest franchise in the history of the game and why it takes the rest of the owners whining and crying to force the NBA to prevent them from going any higher. They are the epitome of what a successfully run franchise should be. Nothing at all wrong with Kobe's contract. If a player does that much for your franchise, something that only 4 or 5 people have done in the history of the game, you show your appreciation. He's Kobe freaking Bryant. One of the handful of the greatest players to ever play the game. Respect.

tmacmamba
12-16-2011, 03:55 PM
No. His contract is awful. It won't help the team win. If he complains about management and their decision making, he should first complain that they gave him too much money.

You do know they won a championship that same year right? So i believe that contract did help them win. :win:

Da Knicks
12-16-2011, 03:56 PM
reading the comments on here would make one think we are living in 2004 or something.

THE GIPPER
12-16-2011, 03:57 PM
reading the comments on here would make one think we are living in 2004 or something.

bingo

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-16-2011, 04:02 PM
amnesty his ***

beliges
12-16-2011, 04:04 PM
The only thing that would prevent the Lakers from competing for a championship is the rest of the owners whining and *****ing to Stern to prevent the Lakers from getting better. Otherwise the Lakers always get better.

tmacmamba
12-16-2011, 04:08 PM
The only thing that would prevent the Lakers from competing for a championship is the rest of the owners whining and *****ing to Stern to prevent the Lakers from getting better. Otherwise the Lakers always get better.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

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Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 04:08 PM
The guy won 5 championships and was probably the most marquee player to ever play for the fraicnise, a franchise which is the most decorated and highly valued team in the history of the game. The franchise gave him this contract as a way of saying thank you and a way of showing their appreciation for what he has done for this team. Kobe has done more for his team than any player has ever done for their respective teams outside of MJ. This contract is the last contract Kobe will have in my opinion and the Lakers wanted to show their appreciation by giving him this deal. Essentially making him untradeable. This is why the Lakers are the greatest franchise in the history of the game and why it takes the rest of the owners whining and crying to force the NBA to prevent them from going any higher. They are the epitome of what a successfully run franchise should be. Nothing at all wrong with Kobe's contract. If a player does that much for your franchise, something that only 4 or 5 people have done in the history of the game, you show your appreciation. He's Kobe freaking Bryant. One of the handful of the greatest players to ever play the game. Respect.


You do know they won a championship that same year right? So i believe that contract did help them win. :win:

So basically he's been a big part of a bunch of championship teams, therefore lets give him a ridiculous contract that will **** us and give us cap issues as a way to say "THANKS YOU BASED GOD!"

Maybe Kobe should just be thankful that he's had such great management, who has surrounded him with the players to win a championship.

beliges
12-16-2011, 04:19 PM
So basically he's been a big part of a bunch of championship teams, therefore lets give him a ridiculous contract that will **** us and give us cap issues as a way to say "THANKS YOU BASED GOD!"

Maybe Kobe should just be thankful that he's had such great management, who has surrounded him with the players to win a championship.

Dude how many times has a franchise had a player like Kobe Bryant? How many? You got MJ, you got Magic and then who? You just dont get it. I understand you dont like the dude and you dont want to give him the credit he deserves. Thats cool because you are not the only one. But the fact remains he is one of 4 or 5 players in the history of the league who has done so much for their respective franchise. Players like this come ONCE in a generation. A respective franchise like the Lakers are showing their appreciation for him. Its true that management has done a great job at keeping a championship team around him, but lets get one thing straight here, all the Lakers have had to do was put a good team around KObe, and let the man carry them to championships. Jordan got the same type of contract at the end of his career. Thats what you do to these types of players if youre the franchise they play for. And lets get another thing straight, Kobe's contract is NOT preventing them from contending or winning championships. They went to the Finals 3 years in a row and won back to back titles. Lastly, they were about to land the best PG in the league before the owners colluded together and forced Stern's hand to prevent this from happening. It had nothing to do with Kobe's contract. The rest of the league *****ing and whining are preventing the Lakers from competing moreso than Kobe's contract. Furthermore, if the Lakers are able to acquire Dwight, they will most likely win another championship or two, even with Kobe's contract. Again, your bias and sheer hatred for the dude is just silly. When you have this type of player that has done so much for your team, you compensate him. THe Lakers will be back competing again, and Kobe's contract will not stop them from doing that. Quite the contrary, HE is the reason why they will probably win another title or two before he calls it quits.

beasted86
12-16-2011, 04:23 PM
So basically he's been a big part of a bunch of championship teams, therefore lets give him a ridiculous contract that will **** us and give us cap issues as a way to say "THANKS YOU BASED GOD!"

Maybe Kobe should just be thankful that he's had such great management, who has surrounded him with the players to win a championship.

Say Kobe made $4M less per season over the duration of the new contract he signed... for example, instead of $21M last season, he made 17, instead of $24M this season, 20..... the Lakers would still have cap issues and no free agency maneuverability no matter what....

So your entire logic is flawed and makes little sense.

Unless Kobe signed for way below his market value like Miami's big 3 did, the Lakers would be handicapped either way. One can also argue it's the contracts of Luke Walton, Ron Artest, Steve Blake and so forth that cripple the Lakers chances of a transition-rebuild, and not Kobe's contract.

Leftcoast_yg
12-16-2011, 04:24 PM
So basically he's been a big part of a bunch of championship teams, therefore lets give him a ridiculous contract that will **** us and give us cap issues as a way to say "THANKS YOU BASED GOD!"

Maybe Kobe should just be thankful that he's had such great management, who has surrounded him with the players to win a championship.

You forgot to add that he got them a 5 billion dollar deal with a cable company which will give the Lakers their very own channel, what team can say they have their own channel??? Anyone:rolleyes:

Raps08-09 Champ
12-16-2011, 04:26 PM
How am i trolling? I believe i'm speaking the truth am i not? Let me ask you why do you hate the Lakers?

Baiting that Lebron messed up in the 4th quarter is trolling. What does it have to do with Kobe? Even when the other guy brought it up, why be immature and retaliate with trolling Lebron?

And I hate the Lakers only because of their fans. :shrug:

Leftcoast_yg
12-16-2011, 04:33 PM
Baiting that Lebron messed up in the 4th quarter is trolling. What does it have to do with Kobe? Even when the other guy brought it up, why be immature and retaliate with trolling Lebron?

And I hate the Lakers only because of their fans. :shrug:

Ask the guy who brought up the subject, it became that when it was said lebron wade howard cp3 love(hahahahaha:confused:) etc. are above kobe.

Raps08-09 Champ
12-16-2011, 04:50 PM
Ask the guy who brought up the subject, it became that when it was said lebron wade howard cp3 love(hahahahaha:confused:) etc. are above kobe.

Which is why I said why be an idiot and retaliate with a guy who doesn't know any better himself.

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 04:59 PM
Dude how many times has a franchise had a player like Kobe Bryant? How many? You got MJ, you got Magic and then who? You just dont get it. I understand you dont like the dude and you dont want to give him the credit he deserves. Thats cool because you are not the only one. But the fact remains he is one of 4 or 5 players in the history of the league who has done so much for their respective franchise. Players like this come ONCE in a generation. A respective franchise like the Lakers are showing their appreciation for him. Its true that management has done a great job at keeping a championship team around him, but lets get one thing straight here, all the Lakers have had to do was put a good team around KObe, and let the man carry them to championships. Jordan got the same type of contract at the end of his career. Thats what you do to these types of players if youre the franchise they play for. And lets get another thing straight, Kobe's contract is NOT preventing them from contending or winning championships. They went to the Finals 3 years in a row and won back to back titles. Lastly, they were about to land the best PG in the league before the owners colluded together and forced Stern's hand to prevent this from happening. It had nothing to do with Kobe's contract. The rest of the league *****ing and whining are preventing the Lakers from competing moreso than Kobe's contract. Furthermore, if the Lakers are able to acquire Dwight, they will most likely win another championship or two, even with Kobe's contract. Again, your bias and sheer hatred for the dude is just silly. When you have this type of player that has done so much for your team, you compensate him. THe Lakers will be back competing again, and Kobe's contract will not stop them from doing that. Quite the contrary, HE is the reason why they will probably win another title or two before he calls it quits.
There's been a lot of great players in the NBA's history, many of which didn't have the good fortune to play with the Lakers or another great franchise. This idea that all you have to do is put a "good" team around Kobe to win a championship is laughable. He's had plenty of help along the way, so stop giving him all of the credit for all of the Lakers' success.

Say Kobe made $4M less per season over the duration of the new contract he signed... for example, instead of $21M last season, he made 17, instead of $24M this season, 20..... the Lakers would still have cap issues and no free agency maneuverability no matter what....

So your entire logic is flawed and makes little sense.

Unless Kobe signed for way below his market value like Miami's big 3 did, the Lakers would be handicapped either way. One can also argue it's the contracts of Luke Walton, Ron Artest, Steve Blake and so forth that cripple the Lakers chances of a transition-rebuild, and not Kobe's contract.
Doesn't take away from the fact that he's grossly overpaid for his production on the court, and the fact that he's only going to get worse doesn't make it any better. His contract is ****.

You forgot to add that he got them a 5 billion dollar deal with a cable company which will give the Lakers their very own channel, what team can say they have their own channel??? Anyone:rolleyes:

Kobe did this. Kobe did that. Kobe gets all of the credit. We all want to watch Kobeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Geargo Wallace
12-16-2011, 05:03 PM
Ask the guy who brought up the subject, it became that when it was said lebron wade howard cp3 love(hahahahaha:confused:) etc. are above kobe.

What's wrong with saying that guys who are better than Kobe are better than Kobe?

As to Love, Griffin, Rose etc. they may have more value on the court than Kobe will in the coming years. I don't know if it's as laughable as you make it seem.

curtcocaine
12-16-2011, 05:13 PM
I think he can never complaine about the talent around him when you are demanding so much money.

beliges
12-16-2011, 05:40 PM
There's been a lot of great players in the NBA's history, many of which didn't have the good fortune to play with the Lakers or another great franchise. This idea that all you have to do is put a "good" team around Kobe to win a championship is laughable. He's had plenty of help along the way, so stop giving him all of the credit for all of the Lakers' success.

Doesn't take away from the fact that he's grossly overpaid for his production on the court, and the fact that he's only going to get worse doesn't make it any better. His contract is ****.


Kobe did this. Kobe did that. Kobe gets all of the credit. We all want to watch Kobeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

What are you talking about? True there has been a lot of great players in the history of the game. But there hasnt been many great players as good or better than KObe. And this idea that all you have to do is put a good team around Kobe and he will win is not a fabrication, its actually what has happened. Every year hes had a good team he has made it to the FInals or won a championship. How is that laughable? You can hate the guy and your opinion can be based on your own bias towards him, but the facts are the facts, and the man has made it to the FInals 7 times in his 15 years in the league thus far. Thats essentially a FInals appearance every other year in his career and a championship every 3 years of his career. So no, its not laughable to state that if you put a good team around Kobe, he will win you a title. Thats exactly what hes done. And no, his contract is not a detriment to his team. This is what the Bulls did with Jordan at the end of his tenure there. They grossly overpaid him but he deserved it, just as Kobe deserves it. Last time I checked, Kobe's contract is not preventing the Lakers from making moves and put them in a position to win another championship. Lakers had acquired CP3 before the owners of the league came together and protested preventing the deal from happening. And now, the Lakers are in a great position to acquire Dwight Howard. This is all while Kobe is getting paid $25mil+. Your theory is baseless and your opinion is disproven through facts.

He doesnt deserve ALL the success for the Lakers' credit, but when you have a player who is better than anybody who has played the game except for a handful of players, and when he has continuously brought championship success to your franchise, he deserves the majority of the credit. The Lakers are a great franchise but the only other times a perimeter player has achieved 5 championships for their franchise came with MJ and the Bulls and Magic with the Lakers. These guys deserve all the credit in the world, just as Kobe does. Stop being such a freaking hater. Its annoying.

Jewelz0376
12-16-2011, 06:20 PM
Kobe is the biggest money maker in the world..he should make the money he does..

No different than guys like Jeter, Pujols, Beckham, etc...

The only way you could possibly say its a bad contract are only looking at it from his production on the court as of right now, and there is so much more to it than that...

If you look at everything he's done/does for the lakers from the titles he's won, the revenue he does/has generated, etc... He's worth even more than the 20 something million he is getting...

If the nba was like baseball and uncapped he would have an even larger contract than Pujols has now...Back when he was resigned he could easily gotten signed for something like 10 yrs 350 mil... His financial impact worldwide is that large where that kind of contract would be justified too...

Lake_Show2416
12-16-2011, 06:25 PM
even if he received 60 million a year, he would be worth it, he's a legendary player that brings boat loads of money & chamiponships, we have never been a team that worried about paying that extra dollar to get wut we want

jrm2054
12-16-2011, 06:31 PM
He's worth it but it puts his team in a bad cap spot

lakersfan01
12-16-2011, 06:45 PM
How bad do you rank his contract? Granted he is a top 10 player right now, he will be taking about half of his team's salary for several years to come.

Kobe Bryant

$25,244,000 (11/12)

$27,849,000 (12/13)

$30,453,000 (13/14)

Its THE worst contract in the NBA

lakersfan01
12-16-2011, 06:46 PM
I am thinking the Lakers might amnesty Kobe after this summer