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12-10-2011, 02:04 AM
RT @sam_amick: Orlando PR man Joel Glass calls to say D. Howard's agent now has permission to speak w/Lakers/Nets/Mavs about possible trade

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gatkins11
12-10-2011, 02:05 AM
I don't really understand why the Magic FO has given him permission to talk with the Mavs. We really have no tradable assets.

marj987
12-10-2011, 02:05 AM
Make something happen Mark Cuban!

LTBaByyy
12-10-2011, 02:06 AM
Cuban idk how but work your ****ing magic!!!!!!

LTBaByyy
12-10-2011, 02:07 AM
They shouldn't do Lakers, Shaq pt. 2 all over again
They shouldn't do Nets, same conference

Please make it happen somehow

waveycrockett
12-10-2011, 02:07 AM
I find it funny Mark Cuban always needs to be at the center of big things and is pissed when he is not. Huge reason why CP3 trade was killed and now in mix for D12 with no assets.

marj987
12-10-2011, 02:07 AM
I don't really understand why the Magic FO has given him permission to talk with the Mavs. We really have no tradable assets.

He wanted to come to the Mavs a while back.

GREATNESS ONE
12-10-2011, 02:08 AM
Soooo happy the third team isn't the Bulls.

gatkins11
12-10-2011, 02:11 AM
He wanted to come to the Mavs a while back.

I know, but I'm talking from the Magic FO's perspective.

Dade County
12-10-2011, 02:12 AM
what about the HEAT!!!!!!!

I think Nets win this out of the 3 teams posted. Magic can not trade him to L.A "to crazy"

ThunderousDemon
12-10-2011, 02:14 AM
As much as I'd like the CP3 to come play in LA with Lakers, I either don't see this happening because of whining owners,specifically the crybaby Dan Gilbert:cry:.If it doesn't then there will be litigation issues and if the deal does come through there will be allot of controversy from the owners, specifically the biggest crybaby of all time Dan The Grown Baby Man Gilbert:D

*Silver&Black*
12-10-2011, 02:14 AM
What would the Magic want from the Mavs? That is the question. I just think it's Nets and he is just exploring options.

jimbobjarree
12-10-2011, 02:14 AM
lets go nets

bryan71023
12-10-2011, 02:16 AM
What are the Mavs going to offer the Lakers Nowitzki? It's clearl that the only 2 teams that are in the race are the Nets and Lakers and the Nets are in the lead at the moment.

marj987
12-10-2011, 02:16 AM
I know, but I'm talking from the Magic FO's perspective.

We have SOME assets but IDK if it'll be enough though.

Cuban is a smart owner, he can work SOMETHING out hopefully.

king4day
12-10-2011, 02:19 AM
Mavs need a third team to make something work. They have just as few assets as the Knicks.
I think if the Paul deal gets done first, he's going to end up a Laker and turn off most of the leagues remaining casual fans.

RC3
12-10-2011, 02:19 AM
I don't really understand why the Magic FO has given him permission to talk with the Mavs. We really have no tradable assets.

I don't really understand why the Magic FO has given him permission to talk with the Lakers. Bynum is overrated.Solid center but not gonna be near as dwight howard.

LTBaByyy
12-10-2011, 02:22 AM
If Cuban pulls something off, he is Jesus.

*Silver&Black*
12-10-2011, 02:25 AM
I don't really understand why the Magic FO has given him permission to talk with the Lakers. Bynum is overrated.Solid center but not gonna be near as dwight howard.

Plus what are the chances Bynum would try his best to get out of Orlando as well?

Lakerhead4ever
12-10-2011, 02:25 AM
If Cuban pulls something off, he is Jesus.

actually he will still be mark cuban

ThunderousDemon
12-10-2011, 02:25 AM
If Cuban pulls something off, he is Jesus.

I bet if the Lakers pulled off getting Dwight Howard they would say corruption, but if Mark Cuban does it he's a god.Tell me what exactly would the Mavs have to offer the Magic for Dwight?

gatkins11
12-10-2011, 02:27 AM
I bet if the Lakers pulled off getting Dwight Howard they would say corruption, but if Mark Cuban does it he's a god.Tell me what exactly would the Mavs have to offer the Magic for Dwight?

The trade with NO wouldn't have been a problem if they weren't owned by the league if that's what you're referencing.

ThunderousDemon
12-10-2011, 02:32 AM
The trade with NO wouldn't have been a problem if they weren't owned by the league if that's what you're referencing.

I wonder if that would be the case but we'll never find out will we now.

IversonIsKrazy
12-10-2011, 02:32 AM
I hope Dwight stays, that wud be friggin great for the NBA.

jmoney85
12-10-2011, 02:33 AM
its going to be hard for them to pull that 3 team trade off...

kblo247
12-10-2011, 02:33 AM
Plus what are the chances Bynum would try his best to get out of Orlando as well?

Low if you believe Woj. Bynum apparently was saying he would like to be the man and have a team built around him. The main snag with him is that his agent David Lee is an *******

gatkins11
12-10-2011, 02:34 AM
I wonder if that would be the case but we will never find out will we now.

Maybe, you never know. With the NBPA threatening legal action you can't be certain how will could turn out.

DODGERS&LAKERS
12-10-2011, 02:36 AM
Brossard just tweeted that the magic Gm gave Dwights agent permission. Not Dwight himself.

Bruno
12-10-2011, 02:36 AM
Riley should get on the phone right now and offer LBJ for Howard straight up.

Miami wins the championship next year with Wade-Bosh-Howard.

No, I'm not saying Howard is better than James. the pieces just fit better.

jmoney85
12-10-2011, 02:40 AM
its going to be bynum vs lopez....

and as Im looking at the numbers everybody calls bynum a better rebounder but brook has a better career rebounding average?

MFFL==FML
12-10-2011, 02:42 AM
If the Mavericks have to take on Turkoglu's contract, so be it.

I know this won't happen but I'd rather use Haywood, Marion, Brewer and 2 future 1sts for Dwight. Bahahahaha! :D

ragee
12-10-2011, 02:43 AM
I bet if the Lakers pulled off getting Dwight Howard they would say corruption, but if Mark Cuban does it he's a god.Tell me what exactly would the Mavs have to offer the Magic for Dwight?

Nothing better than the Lakers or the Nets can offer. That is why Cuban is a genius if he pulls it off.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 02:53 AM
Ofcourse there are three teams that D Howards agent is able to speak with... Scare tactics dont work on the Lakers... All these rumors are getting out of hand... Bynum is the best fit for the Magic. He is young and does not have a ton of mileage on his legs due to injury. He no longer wants to be in the shadows of Bryant and Gasol. He wants to be the first option. If this guy can avoid injury he can be a beast in the east. Will he be as good as Howard?? Probably not... But when you trade a player of Howard's caliber you dont go after a Lopez and picks. Lopez is the hispanic version of Gortat.

MagicBucsSox
12-10-2011, 03:00 AM
Ofcourse there are three teams that D Howards agent is able to speak with... Scare tactics dont work on the Lakers... All these rumors are getting out of hand... Bynum is the best fit for the Magic. He is young and does not have a ton of mileage on his legs due to injury. He no longer wants to be in the shadows of Bryant and Gasol. He wants to be the first option. If this guy can avoid injury he can be a beast in the east. Will he be as good as Howard?? Probably not... But when you trade a player of Howard's caliber you dont go after a Lopez and picks. Lopez is the hispanic version of Gortat.

Lmao first off if Bynum so great, why trade him? Fraud NBA fan

Lopez a Latin gortat? Please log off

And you do take Lopez and picks for a chance at a Lopez/Drummond. Front court genius

jmoney85
12-10-2011, 03:01 AM
Ofcourse there are three teams that D Howards agent is able to speak with... Scare tactics dont work on the Lakers... All these rumors are getting out of hand... Bynum is the best fit for the Magic. He is young and does not have a ton of mileage on his legs due to injury. He no longer wants to be in the shadows of Bryant and Gasol. He wants to be the first option. If this guy can avoid injury he can be a beast in the east. Will he be as good as Howard?? Probably not... But when you trade a player of Howard's caliber you dont go after a Lopez and picks. Lopez is the hispanic version of Gortat.

ill take gortat over bynum anyday.... you cant sell me a player that averages 55 games a season and has never been a 1st option on a team... how do you know he could score 20+ ppg?? you and I both dont know that because hes never done it before... i dont wanna hear the hypothetical, just look at what hes actually done and its not much

jmoney85
12-10-2011, 03:03 AM
numbers dont lie... i dont wanna hear anything about what bynum COULD do ... nobody knows if he could be a stud on a team... hes already been in the league 6 years ... if hes that good he should be averaging over 10 ppg i dont wanna hear any bs about being the 3rd option... lamar odom averages more than that and hes the 6th man

lpdunks8
12-10-2011, 03:05 AM
ill take gortat over bynum anyday.... you cant sell me a player that averages 55 games a season and has never been a 1st option on a team... how do you know he could score 20+ ppg?? you and I both dont know that because hes never done it before... i dont wanna hear the hypothetical, just look at what hes actually done and its not much

Really? You ever see an article like this on Gortat?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6290116&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d6290116

bryan71023
12-10-2011, 03:06 AM
Ofcourse there are three teams that D Howards agent is able to speak with... Scare tactics dont work on the Lakers... All these rumors are getting out of hand... Bynum is the best fit for the Magic. He is young and does not have a ton of mileage on his legs due to injury. He no longer wants to be in the shadows of Bryant and Gasol. He wants to be the first option. If this guy can avoid injury he can be a beast in the east. Will he be as good as Howard?? Probably not... But when you trade a player of Howard's caliber you dont go after a Lopez and picks. Lopez is the hispanic version of Gortat.

Lopez is the hispanic version of Gortat SMFH I'm going to sleep now :facepalm:

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 03:08 AM
Lmao first off if Bynum so great, why trade him? Fraud NBA fan

Lopez a Latin gortat? Please log off

To be honest I cant stand Bynum. Ive been a huge Bynum hater ever since he came into the league. I was willing to trade his a ss for Kidd years ago. So truth is you guys gift wrapped Shaq to us years ago by letting him walk. I wouldnt mind taking Howard off your hands as well. In looking at the available centers Bynum has the best upside. Accept the Deal....:eyebrow:

*Superman*
12-10-2011, 03:08 AM
I don't know why the Mavs are even listed, they have nothing to offer.

Ill go with the Nets, but we need more then just Lopez.

jmoney85
12-10-2011, 03:10 AM
Really? You ever see an article like this on Gortat?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6290116&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d6290116

hes been in the league 6 years and finally have some written positive about him... and its for a small stretch

its the lakers...the media loves them... if brook lopez was on the lakers he would be a rockstar ... 99% of PSD have never even watch lopez play before

MagicBucsSox
12-10-2011, 03:12 AM
I don't know why the Mavs are even listed, they have nothing to offer.

Ill go with the Nets, but we need more then just Lopez.

Can we really trust Otis to not take the mavs deal though lol? Really? My god I hope he's fired

gotoHcarolina52
12-10-2011, 03:21 AM
Riley should get on the phone right now and offer LBJ for Howard straight up.

Miami wins the championship next year with Wade-Bosh-Howard.

No, I'm not saying Howard is better than James. the pieces just fit better.

No thanks.

naps
12-10-2011, 03:24 AM
Riley should get on the phone right now and offer LBJ for Howard straight up.

Miami wins the championship next year with Wade-Bosh-Howard.

No, I'm not saying Howard is better than James. the pieces just fit better.



Orlando would take that deal in a second but no way in the hell Pat Riley is doing it. If never trade a superstar and if it's LeBron James well, you just can't trade a LeBron James :)

waveycrockett
12-10-2011, 03:27 AM
Otis smith will leave the Lopez and Bynum offers on the table and trade dwight for Brendan Haywood and a sign and trade with JJ Barea. He rides the short bus to work

ClippersE.G
12-10-2011, 03:29 AM
Marc Cuban whines to Stern to stop the Cp3 trade...no he wants Dwight in Dallas...ok I get it.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 03:30 AM
marc cuban whines to stern to stop the cp3 trade...no he wants dwight in dallas...ok i get it.

**this**

naps
12-10-2011, 03:32 AM
Ofcourse there are three teams that D Howards agent is able to speak with... Scare tactics dont work on the Lakers... All these rumors are getting out of hand... Bynum is the best fit for the Magic. He is young and does not have a ton of mileage on his legs due to injury. He no longer wants to be in the shadows of Bryant and Gasol. He wants to be the first option. If this guy can avoid injury he can be a beast in the east. Will he be as good as Howard?? Probably not... But when you trade a player of Howard's caliber you dont go after a Lopez and picks. Lopez is the hispanic version of Gortat.

I would take Lopez over GlassKneebum any day of the week. Stop overrating a player who can't even stay on the court for God's sake. Orlando absolutely has no reason to take on a pair of bum-Knees. Dwight can't force it either because LA is already way over the cap.





To be honest I cant stand Bynum. Ive been a huge Bynum hater ever since he came into the league. I was willing to trade his a ss for Kidd years ago. So truth is you guys gift wrapped Shaq to us years ago by letting him walk. I wouldnt mind taking Howard off your hands as well. In looking at the available centers Bynum has the best upside. Accept the Deal....:eyebrow:

Too bad Dwight is in no position to force the Magic hand, unlike Shaq. Keep dreaming.

marj987
12-10-2011, 03:33 AM
The Mavs just completed the trade with Knicks, this should help A LOT.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 03:35 AM
I would take Lopez over GlassKneebum any day of the week. Stop overrating a player who can't even stay on the court for God's sake. Orlando absolutely has no reason to take on a pair of bum-Knees. Dwight can't force it either because LA is already way over the cap.

Im not overrating him at all... All I am saying is that his ceiling is much higher than any available center. That is the reason I feel he is the best option for the Magic

waveycrockett
12-10-2011, 03:36 AM
The Mavs just completed the trade with Knicks, this should help A LOT.
How?

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 03:39 AM
I would take Lopez over GlassKneebum any day of the week. Stop overrating a player who can't even stay on the court for God's sake. Orlando absolutely has no reason to take on a pair of bum-Knees. Dwight can't force it either because LA is already way over the cap.






Too bad Dwight is in no position to force the Magic hand, unlike Shaq. Keep dreaming.

Exactly because if he did force the Magic he would be in a Laker jersey already. So the fact that he wants to be in LA is the reason your team needs to consider "glasskneebum" Bynum

Wade>You
12-10-2011, 03:40 AM
Mark Cuban: "we just had a lockout to prevent star players from going to big markets"

Mark Cuban: "the Hornets had season tickets sold on the hopes that their fans would get to see Chris Paul"

/Mark Cuban tries to trade for Chris Paul and Dwight Howard

Cuban preaches to the ignorant.

naps
12-10-2011, 03:40 AM
Im not overrating him at all... All I am saying is that his ceiling is much higher than any available center. That is the reason I feel he is the best option for the Magic

How can a player have a ceiling when he can't even stay healthy? And I am pretty sure Brook Lopez has much much higher ceiling than Bynum. Bynum has already played like what 7 years? He's not improving much if any. On the other hand, Brook has plenty of rooms to improve with his already remarkable offensive game. If he starts rebounding better he becomes by far the 2nd best center in the league, which is very possible. Bynum, nah...C'mon now!

gatkins11
12-10-2011, 03:43 AM
Otis smith will leave the Lopez and Bynum offers on the table and trade dwight for Brendan Haywood and a sign and trade with JJ Barea. He rides the short bus to work

Sounds good to me. :laugh2:

naps
12-10-2011, 03:44 AM
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Exactly because if he did force the Magic he would be in a Laker jersey already. So the fact that he wants to be in LA is the reason your team needs to consider "glasskneebum" Bynum

Not at all. Why should the Magic consider that? They are not bound to keep Howard happy anymore. It's all about what they can get in return. God you Lakers fans are greedy as ****!! No rationality whatsoever.


And I am not a Magic fan just so you know. I am seeing this from a neutral standpoint.

Pakman
12-10-2011, 03:45 AM
Dwight gets traded to Dallas and I will sell my soul to the devil.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 03:57 AM
Bynum did not play much his first couple of years due to Phil Jackson's decision. Bynum also has limited play due to injuries. Bynum was a third option in our offense. Compare his #'s to Lopez's. If given a chance to start and be the #1 option he will have a much higher ceiling. One more thing to note. Bynum has +60 games under his belt in the playoffs. Lopez has ZERO experience in the Playoffs.


LOPEZ CAREER SEASON TOTALS

Year Team G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
08-09 NJN 82 75 2,501 448-844 0-2 172-217 225 440 665 86 44 151 147 257 1,068
09-10 NJN 82 82 3,026 563-1,129 0-2 416-509 270 439 709 187 55 139 204 251 1,542
10-11 NJN 82 82 2,888 644-1,309 0-1 385-489 197 291 488 129 47 120 176 240 1,673
Career -- 246 239 8,417 1,655-3,282 0-5 973-1,215 692 1,170 1,862 402 146 410 527 748 4,283



BYNUM CAREER SEASON TOTALS

Year Team G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
05-06 LAL 46 0 338 33-82 0-0 8-27 34 46 80 9 4 22 17 56 74
06-07 LAL 82 53 1,793 247-443 0-3 143-214 139 345 484 94 12 128 115 249 637
07-08 LAL 35 25 1,008 189-297 0-0 82-118 105 251 356 61 12 72 52 98 460
08-09 LAL 50 50 1,446 281-502 0-0 152-215 137 261 398 71 18 90 85 157 714
09-10 LAL 65 65 1,976 392-688 0-1 193-261 177 364 541 68 35 94 115 193 977
10-11 LAL 54 47 1,500 237-413 0-0 138-209 170 338 508 73 19 106 74 140 612
Career -- 332 240 8,063 1,379-2,425 0-4 716-1,044 762 1,605 2,367 376 100 512 458 893 3,474

VinceCarter
12-10-2011, 04:01 AM
How can a player have a ceiling when he can't even stay healthy? And I am pretty sure Brook Lopez has much much higher ceiling than Bynum. Bynum has already played like what 7 years? He's not improving much if any. On the other hand, Brook has plenty of rooms to improve with his already remarkable offensive game. If he starts rebounding better he becomes by far the 2nd best center in the league, which is very possible. Bynum, nah...C'mon now!


Not at all. Why should the Magic consider that? They are not bound to keep Howard happy anymore. It's all about what they can get in return. God you Lakers fans are greedy as ****!! No rationality whatsoever.


And I am not a Magic fan just so you know. I am seeing this from a neutral standpoint.

:clap::clap: Finally somebody who thinks.

ripjhb18
12-10-2011, 04:04 AM
Bynum did not play much his first couple of years due to Phil Jackson's decision. Bynum also has limited play due to injuries. Bynum was a third option in our offense. Compare his #'s to Lopez's. If given a chance to start and be the #1 option he will have a much higher ceiling. One more thing to note. Bynum has +60 games under his belt in the playoffs. Lopez has ZERO experience in the Playoffs.


LOPEZ CAREER SEASON TOTALS

Year Team G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
08-09 NJN 82 75 2,501 448-844 0-2 172-217 225 440 665 86 44 151 147 257 1,068
09-10 NJN 82 82 3,026 563-1,129 0-2 416-509 270 439 709 187 55 139 204 251 1,542
10-11 NJN 82 82 2,888 644-1,309 0-1 385-489 197 291 488 129 47 120 176 240 1,673
Career -- 246 239 8,417 1,655-3,282 0-5 973-1,215 692 1,170 1,862 402 146 410 527 748 4,283



BYNUM CAREER SEASON TOTALS

Year Team G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
05-06 LAL 46 0 338 33-82 0-0 8-27 34 46 80 9 4 22 17 56 74
06-07 LAL 82 53 1,793 247-443 0-3 143-214 139 345 484 94 12 128 115 249 637
07-08 LAL 35 25 1,008 189-297 0-0 82-118 105 251 356 61 12 72 52 98 460
08-09 LAL 50 50 1,446 281-502 0-0 152-215 137 261 398 71 18 90 85 157 714
09-10 LAL 65 65 1,976 392-688 0-1 193-261 177 364 541 68 35 94 115 193 977
10-11 LAL 54 47 1,500 237-413 0-0 138-209 170 338 508 73 19 106 74 140 612
Career -- 332 240 8,063 1,379-2,425 0-4 716-1,044 762 1,605 2,367 376 100 512 458 893 3,474

Im a Laker fan, and even I have to admit the one whole in your argument is what I bolded.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 04:04 AM
:clap::clap: Finally somebody who thinks.

:clap:Not very thoroughly:clap:

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 04:15 AM
Im a Laker fan, and even I have to admit the one whole in your argument is what I bolded.

There is no HOLE in the post. The numbers speak for themselves. Other than Lopez who else was the scorer on his team since 08?? Vince Carter and Devin Harris?? He should have been 1st or 2nd option. On the Lakers Kobe feeds first and last(and some in between). Once we got Gasol there was no way Bynum was going to average anything higher.

Ebbs
12-10-2011, 04:16 AM
Haywood + Roddy B and picks lolzzz

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 04:26 AM
There is no HOLE in the post. The numbers speak for themselves. Other than Lopez who else was the scorer on his team since 08?? Vince Carter and Devin Harris?? He should have been 1st or 2nd option. On the Lakers Kobe feeds first and last(and some in between). Once we got Gasol there was no way Bynum was going to average anything higher.

You're relentless aren't you? Lmao

They both averaged over 20 points in Brook's rookie year. Brook didn't even start the first few weeks. He didn't get the start until Josh Boone got injured. So no, he wasn't the first OR second option.

Shareeb_omac2
12-10-2011, 04:31 AM
Dwight ends up in Dallas. Calling it now.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 04:42 AM
There is no HOLE in the post. The numbers speak for themselves. Other than Lopez who else was the scorer on his team since 08?? Vince Carter and Devin Harris?? He should have been 1st or 2nd option. On the Lakers Kobe feeds first and last(and some in between). Once we got Gasol there was no way Bynum was going to average anything higher.

Ignorance at its finest..... The fact that Brook has done almost as much as Bynum stat wise in less years should be convincing enough that Lopez is the better player.

Cal827
12-10-2011, 04:48 AM
New Jersey is the only one with actual assets, but I'm sorry.. didn't they just get accused of tampering.. wouldn't that delay a potential move to NJ or possibly even prevent it... crazy *** NBA.

If they trade him to Dallas, it's gonna be funny what that hypocrite Cuban says... Also someone should assassinate Otis Smith.... I think an offer of Chocolate milk, a three month old corn dog, and a subscription to the weekly world news is a better offer than what Dallas can possibly put up.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 04:52 AM
New Jersey is the only one with actual assets, but I'm sorry.. didn't they just get accused of tampering.. wouldn't that delay a potential move to NJ or possibly even prevent it... crazy *** NBA.

If they trade him to Dallas, it's gonna be funny what that hypocrite Cuban says... Also someone should assassinate Otis Smith.... I think an offer of Chocolate milk, a three month old corn dog, and a subscription to the weekly world news is a better offer than what Dallas can possibly put up.

Dallas has no pieces. Its virtually impossible for them to give a fair deal to ORL.

The Nets never tampered, it was a false rumor.

The Nets SHOULD be able to get Dwight for Lopez, players, picks, and cap relief but as a Nets fan myself I worry about a trade offer from the Lakers of Bynum and Gasol for Nelson and Dwight (something along those lines). That certainly would be enticing for the Magic although in a stacked draft a solid FA in 2012 cap space and picks is the way to go if they want to rebuild.

xBLAMEITON24x
12-10-2011, 04:54 AM
Dwight is just waiting for Chris Paul deal to get done and if it does, D12 will become a Laker

Allusion
12-10-2011, 04:58 AM
Ok, so for the people arguing stats... LOL hahahaha all i can say. You are trying to show me stats of a player (being Lopez) who was the main option of the Nets...

Bynum was on the Lakers with Kobe,Gasol,Odom... He wasn't even the 3rd option with these guys because they are so good at offense. SMH stats aren't always everything. Did you see how great bynum played in last years playoffs, what about Lopez in the playoffs? How did he play?

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 04:58 AM
Dwight is just waiting for Chris Paul deal to get done and if it does, D12 will become a Laker

yes of course that makes 100% sense. Because the Lakers would totally have enough to offer in a trade and cap space after getting CP3 on a max deal and having basically just Bynum to offer....cmon Lakers fans get real.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 04:59 AM
Dwight is just waiting for Chris Paul deal to get done and if it does, D12 will become a Laker

It's not really his choice though, is it?

Allusion
12-10-2011, 04:59 AM
Ignorance at its finest..... The fact that Brook has done almost as much as Bynum stat wise in less years should be convincing enough that Lopez is the better player.

Not even close, you good sir, are an example or pure ignorance... Lopez having as good stats means nothing on a non playoff team that has no scorers...

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:00 AM
Ok, so for the people arguing stats... LOL hahahaha all i can say. You are trying to show me stats of a player (being Lopez) who was the main option of the Nets...

Bynum was on the Lakers with Kobe,Gasol,Odom... He wasn't even the 3rd option with these guys because they are so good at offense. SMH stats aren't always everything. Did you see how great bynum played in last years playoffs, what about Lopez in the playoffs? How did he play?

You signed up just to post that? :facepalm:

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:01 AM
yes of course that makes 100% sense. Because the Lakers would totally have enough to offer in a trade and cap space after getting CP3 on a max deal and having basically just Bynum to offer....cmon Lakers fans get real.


Howard wants to be on a championship contender.

Lakers with Cp3 and Kobe = Automatic Contender, Add Howard = Top team in the league (On paper)

Lakers have more then just Bynum to offer... Who are the nets going to offer other then Lopez?

marj987
12-10-2011, 05:02 AM
Lol why are people stating like the Mavs have no chance at all? Lol Mark Cuban has done this before, the chances are very slim but do not count the Mavericks out.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:02 AM
No, i can't remember my password on my other account and it won't let me redu my password so I didn't want to go through all that work for this.

How did I now someone was going to cry about my post numbers on this account... SMH

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:04 AM
Dallas has no pieces. Its virtually impossible for them to give a fair deal to ORL.

The Nets never tampered, it was a false rumor.

The Nets SHOULD be able to get Dwight for Lopez, players, picks, and cap relief but as a Nets fan myself I worry about a trade offer from the Lakers of Bynum and Gasol for Nelson and Dwight (something along those lines). That certainly would be enticing for the Magic although in a stacked draft a solid FA in 2012 cap space and picks is the way to go if they want to rebuild.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up... cause I was thinking that the Nets had Screwed themselves royally since they would be out of the Dwight sweepstakes, and would likely lose some high draft picks this year lol

I think the Nets will get em.. I doubt that the Paul to LA thing just ends... I think it'll be appealed and eventually overturned.. but nontheless, if there is a court case... then LA would have to hold onto Gasol.

But as I said before in the 10,000 DH threads over the past few months... Otis is a moron if he decides to take the Bynum + others deal. It makes LA very strong (they get Paul too and it's basically end game, since I know many will sign there for vet min), It makes Orlando a perennial 7-10 seed in the east which doesn't really help them as a higher pick would, and Bynum has glass Knees. If I'm Otis, I tell Howard to either take the Net Deal or enjoy testing the field next summer.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:04 AM
Howard wants to be on a championship contender.

Lakers with Cp3 and Kobe = Automatic Contender, Add Howard = Top team in the league (On paper)

Lakers have more then just Bynum to offer... Who are the nets going to offer other then Lopez?

First round picks, rookies, and Damion James. All things needed for their rebuilding process.

marj987
12-10-2011, 05:04 AM
Howard wants to be on a championship contender.

Lakers with Cp3 and Kobe = Automatic Contender, Add Howard = Top team in the league (On paper)

Lakers have more then just Bynum to offer... Who are the nets going to offer other then Lopez?

Welcome to PSD!

xBLAMEITON24x
12-10-2011, 05:05 AM
It's not really his choice though, is it?

he chooses who he signs with, if a trade goes down it will be a sign and trade. magic can trade him to whatever team he wants. But who's willing to trade valuable players for dwight howard for one year? No one. Dwight Howard has no power and really all the power to force a trade to where ever he wants

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:06 AM
No, i can't remember my password on my other account and it won't let me redu my password so I didn't want to go through all that work for this.

How did I now someone was going to cry about my post numbers on this account... SMH

It has nothing to do with your post numbers. I just thought the post was pointless and did nothing to contribute to the discussion. I thought it was a waste of time for you too create an account for that.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:06 AM
Ok, so for the people arguing stats... LOL hahahaha all i can say. You are trying to show me stats of a player (being Lopez) who was the main option of the Nets...

Bynum was on the Lakers with Kobe,Gasol,Odom... He wasn't even the 3rd option with these guys because they are so good at offense. SMH stats aren't always everything. Did you see how great bynum played in last years playoffs, what about Lopez in the playoffs? How did he play?

......Stats dont matter? Really? You are going to use that logic?

Stop being so blind. Lopez's game besides rebounding (only as of late) is better then Bynums. Period. Bynum is an injury prone big man who is an injury away from retiring like Roy (as I stated previously). NO rebuilding franchise would want that as a center piece. It would be silly.

Like one Net fan said on here prior, if Lopez was on the Lakers he'd be considered a "Top 3 or 4" center in the league, instead is an "overhyped" player on the sorry Nets.

Please if you are going to join a message board and try to argue try not sounding so idiotic in your reasoning.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:06 AM
he chooses who he signs with, if a trade goes down it will be a sign and trade. magic can trade him to whatever team he wants. But who's willing to trade valuable players for dwight howard for one year? No one. Dwight Howard has no power and really all the power to force a trade to where ever he wants

Dwight has already said he would like to play with Deron Williams though. The Lakers aren't the only ones he'd sign an extension with.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:06 AM
Ok, thanks for clearing that up... cause I was thinking that the Nets had Screwed themselves royally since they would be out of the Dwight sweepstakes, and would likely lose some high draft picks this year lol

I think the Nets will get em.. I doubt that the Paul to LA thing just ends... I think it'll be appealed and eventually overturned.. but nontheless, if there is a court case... then LA would have to hold onto Gasol.

But as I said before in the 10,000 DH threads over the past few months... Otis is a moron if he decides to take the Bynum + others deal. It makes LA very strong (they get Paul too and it's basically end game, since I know many will sign there for vet min), It makes Orlando a perennial 7-10 seed in the east which doesn't really help them as a higher pick would, and Bynum has glass Knees. If I'm Otis, I tell Howard to either take the Net Deal or enjoy testing the field next summer.

I do agree that it makes the Lakers very strong, but sending Howard to the East would be a HUGE mistake by the Magic. They want the east to be as week as possible. Giving the nets Howard and Williams would make the east even better.

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:07 AM
Lol why are people stating like the Mavs have no chance at all? Lol Mark Cuban has done this before, the chances are very slim but do not count the Mavericks out.

lol @ your sig.


But, just tell me, what does Dallas really have that would be appealing to Orlando. Beaubois might be a decent prospect... but that's basically it. Your picks won't be too high. Unless you want to add Dirk to the deal.. but that kinda defeats the objective.... then again I better watch what I say.. a few days ago, Houston agreed to a trade that would allow a star to join a rival while allowing their team to be dissected by another... and they were sending an unprotected first to that same team that dissected them... all for an Aging Pau Gasol.... I don't want Toronto Facilitating a trade such as that lol.... Seriously, where can I get some good crack like what Houston's GM had? lol

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:08 AM
......Stats dont matter? Really? You are going to use that logic?

Stop being so blind. Lopez's game besides rebounding (only as of late) is better then Bynums. Period. Bynum is an injury prone big man who is an injury away from retiring like Roy (as I stated previously). NO rebuilding franchise would want that as a center piece. It would be silly.

Like one Net fan said on here prior, if Lopez was on the Lakers he'd be considered a "Top 3 or 4" center in the league, instead is an "overhyped" player on the sorry Nets.

Please if you are going to join a message board and try to argue try not sounding so idiotic in your reasoning.

You Net fans are the ones who are saying don't use "ifs"... Lopez isn't on the Lakers so gtfo over that statement, it means nothing.

Lopez isn't a Top 3 Center on a team where his stats should be inflated.

Also, before you type another ignorant post. Please read what I put before. I never said "stats dont matter".

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:09 AM
Howard wants to be on a championship contender.

Lakers with Cp3 and Kobe = Automatic Contender, Add Howard = Top team in the league (On paper)

Lakers have more then just Bynum to offer... Who are the nets going to offer other then Lopez?

Yeah because joining DWill , one of, if not they best pure PG in the game, in Brooklyn, is just an extremely idiotic thing to do.....

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:10 AM
I do agree that it makes the Lakers very strong, but sending Howard to the East would be a HUGE mistake by the Magic. They want the east to be as week as possible. Giving the nets Howard and Williams would make the east even better.

The Magic are rebuilding. They won't be competing for a title anytime soon. I don't see your point.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:11 AM
You Net fans are the ones who are saying don't use "ifs"... Lopez isn't on the Lakers so gtfo over that statement, it means nothing.

Lopez isn't a Top 3 Center on a team where his stats should be inflated.

Also, before you type another ignorant post. Please read what I put before. I never said "stats dont matter".

Not a fact, but okay. . .

Do you know what the word ignorant means? I'm not sure you do.

xBLAMEITON24x
12-10-2011, 05:11 AM
Dwight has already said he would like to play with Deron Williams though. The Lakers aren't the only ones he'd sign an extension with.

I never said he doesnt want to go to the nets, i said he's waiting to see if lakers get cp3, so he can team up with kobe and cp3 in los angeles, and if
cp3 trade didnt go down im sure he considering the nets as another option. imo

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:13 AM
Not a fact, but okay. . .

Do you know what the word ignorant means? I'm not sure you do.


It's not a fact that Lopez isn't a top 3 Center in the league? Tell me who your top 3 are then? Obviously Lopez = number 3.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:14 AM
I never said he doesnt want to go to the nets, i said he's waiting to see if lakers get cp3, so he can team up with kobe and cp3 in los angeles, and if
cp3 trade didnt go down im sure he considering the nets as another option. imo

I'm just saying that if the Magic work out a deal with the Nets, I don't think he'll say "No, I won't sign an extension because I'm waiting for the Lakers."

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:16 AM
You Net fans are the ones who are saying don't use "ifs"... Lopez isn't on the Lakers so gtfo over that statement, it means nothing.

Lopez isn't a Top 3 Center on a team where his stats should be inflated.

Also, before you type another ignorant post. Please read what I put before. I never said "stats dont matter".

Do you read? or do you just continue with your silly banter...

Its completely clear there is a Lakers bias all over the league. If a player is decent to okay on the Lakers he is "one of the top players at his position" but if he plays on a smaller market team he is just overrated and the only "option". Lets not forget there are 5 players on the court at once buddy...

As I was saying, if you are a RATIONAL basketball fan youd actually take those rose colored glasses off and realize Bynum isnt worth having as a center piece in a deal. Injuries KILL franchises and great teams. You cant risk that if you want to save face as an organization.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:17 AM
We can't really have a "facts" when we talk about top players in the league. According to Prosportsdaily (A number of polls) Bynum is number 2.

Lopez wasn't even top 10.... Now he is top 3, because he is in a trade involving Howard? =\

Note: This is the Forum voting, not me just saying my opinion.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:17 AM
It's not a fact that Lopez isn't a top 3 Center in the league? Tell me who your top 3 are then? Obviously Lopez = number 3.

Howard is obviously number 1. Horford, Gasol, and Lopez are all arguable for top 3.

MackShock
12-10-2011, 05:17 AM
you'd be silly to think there wasnt a Lakers bias..or a bias for any big market team for that matter.

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:17 AM
I'm just saying that if the Magic work out a deal with the Nets, I don't think he'll say "No, I won't sign an extension because I'm waiting for the Lakers."

While Otis Laughs and says, well I hope you want to take a mininum deal.. cause we aren't dealing you there :D

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:17 AM
We can't really have a "facts" when we talk about top players in the league. According to Prosportsdaily (A number of polls) Bynum is number 2.

So don't state opinion as facts.

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:18 AM
We can't really have a "facts" when we talk about top players in the league. According to Prosportsdaily (A number of polls) Bynum is number 2.

LOL, those polls were such a fail. I still don't know how a 20-10 guy in Jefferson finished 10th on that damn thing.

AI4MVP
12-10-2011, 05:18 AM
6 rebounds per game?? really Brook? Ive heard rebounding is not his strongest attribute but Ive actually never looked at the stat til right now. SIX BOARDS?! And the point about being arguably the 4th option is correct. It doesnt help that Brook's FG% was below 50% last year either. BUT he is one of the best assets on the Nets and if Dwight wants to go there then thats what they are going to have to settle with...

xBLAMEITON24x
12-10-2011, 05:19 AM
I'm just saying that if the Magic work out a deal with the Nets, I don't think he'll say "No, I won't sign an extension because I'm waiting for the Lakers."

Thats were i agree to disagree, the nets had their offer on table for 2 days the Magic are clearly trying trade him. the ball is in dwights court and honestly the nets have the best offer for him. i think he would been a net yesterday if he really wanted to. He's looking at his options in dallas and los angeles he nets was his first choice a deal would be done

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:21 AM
LOL, those polls were such a fail. I still don't know how a 20-10 guy in Jefferson finished 10th on that damn thing.

I always forget about him. He's pretty underrated. At least statistically. I haven't seen him play much.

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:21 AM
6 rebounds per game?? really Brook? Ive heard rebounding is not his strongest attribute but Ive actually never looked at the stat til right now. SIX BOARDS?! And the point about being arguably the 4th option is correct. It doesnt help that Brook's FG% was below 50% last year either. BUT he is one of the best assets on the Nets and if Dwight wants to go there then thats what they are going to have to settle with...

You want to see horrible numbers for a Center? Go look up Andrea Bargnani and you will understand the hell Raptor fans went through last year :cry:

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:22 AM
Thats were i agree to disagree, the nets had their offer on table for 2 days the Magic are clearly trying trade him. the ball is in dwights court and honestly the nets have the best offer for him. i think he would been a net yesterday if he really wanted to. He's looking at his options in dallas and los angeles he nets was his first choice a deal would be done

Nets management denied placing a bid the other day.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:22 AM
We can't really have a "facts" when we talk about top players in the league. According to Prosportsdaily (A number of polls) Bynum is number 2.

You know what is a fact?

Bynum's knees will limit his career.

xBLAMEITON24x
12-10-2011, 05:23 AM
While Otis Laughs and says, well I hope you want to take a mininum deal.. cause we aren't dealing you there :D

Why let dwight agent talk to the Lakers gm if he wasnt planing to trade

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:24 AM
I always forget about him. He's pretty underrated. At least statistically. I haven't seen him play much.

Unfortunately, he's basically been on losing teams, so people forget how good he actually was. Losing Celtics team to Minny Via KG trade, to the Jazz who basically imploded this year. The Guy has no luck lol

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:25 AM
6 rebounds per game?? really Brook? Ive heard rebounding is not his strongest attribute but Ive actually never looked at the stat til right now. SIX BOARDS?! And the point about being arguably the 4th option is correct. It doesnt help that Brook's FG% was below 50% last year either. BUT he is one of the best assets on the Nets and if Dwight wants to go there then thats what they are going to have to settle with...

I don't know if people don't know or forget, but Brook had mono last off season. He lost about 20lbs and he was already soft in the paint to begin with. His first two seasons he averaged 8+ which isn't great, but I don't expect another 6 rebounds per game season from him if he's healthy.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:25 AM
Howard is obviously number 1. Horford, Gasol, and Lopez are all arguable for top 3.

How can you possibly put Lopez in even the top 5?

Howard
Bynum
Jefferson
Gasol
Horford
Bogut

These guys are all better then Lopez. Would you not agree?

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:27 AM
Why let dwight agent talk to the Lakers gm if he wasnt planing to trade

Well clearly to troll him so he gets soo pissed off that he just wants to be dealt anywhere. You sir, don't get basketball negotiations :D just kidding man.

I think a deal of Howard to LA is contingent on a third team helping out a lot, but we will see cause you do have a point.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:28 AM
How can you possibly put Lopez in even the top 5?

Howard
Bynum
Jefferson
Gasol
Horford
Bogut

These guys are all better then Lopez. Would you not agree?

The fact that you put Bynum over Jefferson, Gasol, Horford, and Bogut is down right ridiculous. Do you watch basketball or do you watch highlights of your bangwagon Laker fandom on sportscenter?

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:28 AM
You know what is a fact?

Bynum's knees will limit his career.

True, but Bynum being limited is still better then Lopez.

When Bynum isn't injured Lopez doesn't even come close.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:28 AM
The fact that you put Bynum over Jefferson, Gasol, Horford, and Bogut is down right ridiculous. Do you watch basketball or do you watch highlights of your bangwagon Laker fandom on sportscenter?

This was in no particular order, I was just naming players. I didn't put 1.2.3.4.5. Howard and Bynum were the first names I saw.

xBLAMEITON24x
12-10-2011, 05:29 AM
Nets management denied placing a bid the other day.

Yea and the Lakers said they were happy with their current roster 48 hours ago too. No team is going to confirm rumors until the trade actually goes down. Or you will disgrunted players if the trade doesnt happen.

Case and point: Lamar Odom

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:29 AM
True, but Bynum being limited is still better then Lopez.

When Bynum isn't injured Lopez doesn't even come close.

82 games to 54 games. That is a big difference clearly.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:29 AM
Unfortunately, he's basically been on losing teams, so people forget how good he actually was. Losing Celtics team to Minny Via KG trade, to the Jazz who basically imploded this year. The Guy has no luck lol

Yeah, it sucks. Not sure why his numbers dipped so much last year though.

I had him on my fantasy team the year he tore his ACL. :facepalm: Right before the playoffs. . .

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:31 AM
82 games to 54 games. That is a big difference clearly.

True, but when the games mattered (in the playoffs) Bynum proved he can play big. Now for the rest of the Lakers, not so much.

TBH, I would be alright with CP3, Kobe and Bynum. CP3 to Bynum is going to make Bynum look like a Star!

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:32 AM
How can you possibly put Lopez in even the top 5?

Howard
Bynum
Jefferson
Gasol
Horford
Bogut

These guys are all better then Lopez. Would you not agree?

No because I watch Brook play. I won't let 6 rebounds distort the fact that he is a great scorer, a solid defender, young, and still improving.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:35 AM
This was in no particular order, I was just naming players. I didn't put 1.2.3.4.5. Howard and Bynum were the first names I saw.

Ill be a realistic basketball fan and rank them as this:

1. Howard
2. Bogut
3. Horford
4. Jefferson
5. Lopez
6. Gasol
7. Nene
8. Bynum
9. Noah
10. Kaman/Hibbert

Unbias view of what I think. Bynum has great skill, there is no doubting that at all, but his injuries are his downfall and only make him a good piece not the center piece of a deal.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:35 AM
No because I watch Brook play. I won't let 6 rebounds distort the fact that he is a great scorer, a solid defender, young, and still improving.

So is Bynum. His offensive game has improved greatly, his defense is great and so is his rebounding.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:36 AM
Ill be a realistic basketball fan and rank them as this:

1. Howard
2. Bogut
3. Horford
4. Jefferson
5. Lopez
6. Gasol
7. Nene
8. Bynum
9. Noah
10. Kaman/Hibbert

Unbias view of what I think. Bynum has skill there is no doubting that at all but his injuries are his downfall and only make him a good piece not the center piece of a deal.

No way Lopez is that high. Idk what you are smoking, playoffs are where the true players come out to play. Gasol, Bynum and Noah improved a great deal over the playoffs. Where did Lopez?

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:37 AM
I'm not really going to guarantee this since everything has been approved/denied over the past bit... but I think that Paul trade might be done now. Which I think would effectively pull LA out of this race (unless they just take Bynum straight up).

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:40 AM
Ill be a realistic basketball fan and rank them as this:

1. Howard
2. Bogut
3. Horford
4. Jefferson
5. Lopez
6. Gasol
7. Nene
8. Bynum
9. Noah
10. Kaman/Hibbert

Unbias view of what I think. Bynum has great skill, there is no doubting that at all, but his injuries are his downfall and only make him a good piece not the center piece of a deal.

Nice list, I'd just swap Bynum and Nene... and probably Horford/Bogut... mainly b/c Bogut can't stay healthy lol

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:41 AM
True, but when the games mattered (in the playoffs) Bynum proved he can play big. Now for the rest of the Lakers, not so much.

TBH, I would be alright with CP3, Kobe and Bynum. CP3 to Bynum is going to make Bynum look so great its not even funny.

He had a good post season last year. What about previous years? Like when the Lakers were beasted on by Perkins?

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:41 AM
So is Bynum. His offensive game has improved greatly, his defense is great and so is his rebounding.

He's better defensively. I'll give you that, but he isn't anywhere close to being the player Lopez is offensively.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 05:41 AM
Ignorance at its finest..... The fact that Brook has done almost as much as Bynum stat wise in less years should be convincing enough that Lopez is the better player.

"JTJ": Your post is Ignorance at its worst... The fact that Bynum has been third or fourth option throughout his career.. The fact that he has been injured often and still has similar #'s?? Brook has averaged 75+ games(starting) a season with an average of 34 minutes per game(In his career). Bynum averages 45-50 games (starting) and an average of 24 minutes per game (In his career). Lopez is not a 3rd option on his team. Once again if Bynum is given more responsibility and more playing time without getting injured his ceiling is much higher than Lopez. That is all I am trying to say....

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:43 AM
No way Lopez is that high. Idk what you are smoking, playoffs are where the true players come out to play. Gasol, Bynum and Noah improved a great deal over the playoffs. Where did Lopez?

Is that really how you size up how good NBA players are? There playoff performances. Yes, they are important but for a team like the Magic who will be rebuilding the playoffs arent the concern, its having a decent enough product to show and young, HEALTHY, talent to fill seats.

According to your logic you must think Robert Horry is one of the best players of all time.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:43 AM
Nice list, I'd just swap Bynum and Nene... and probably Horford/Bogut... mainly b/c Bogut can't stay healthy lol

That's why he's wasn't in my top 3 and why I don't think you can put Bynum up their right now. If we want to talk about how well Centers play when healthy then we need to include Oden in the discussion as well. Lol.

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:44 AM
He had a good post season last year. What about previous years? Like when the Lakers were beasted on by Perkins?

Bynum is 24 years old? When Perkins did well was a couple years ago when he was what 21?

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:45 AM
That's why he's wasn't in my top 3 and why I don't think you can put Bynum up their right now. If we want to talk about how well Centers play when healthy then we need to include Oden in the discussion as well. Lol.

Because Oden has done anything in this league? That makes perfect sense... SMH

Comparing Oden to Bynum is plain stupid.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:45 AM
No way Lopez is that high. Idk what you are smoking, playoffs are where the true players come out to play. Gasol, Bynum and Noah improved a great deal over the playoffs. Where did Lopez?

That's an unfair argument. Lopez hasn't been to the playoffs. Let's not overrate players because they shine in a few games during the playoffs, but disappear during the season.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 05:46 AM
82 games to 54 games. That is a big difference clearly.

185 posts since 2009... Let me guess you will say "I have a life and not always on PSD"...lol... Dont worry bro will probably see you in 2013 with 300 posts!!! Good job!!..Keep it up!!! lol:clap:

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:46 AM
He's better defensively. I'll give you that, but he isn't anywhere close to being the player Lopez is offensively.

Did you watch the Playoffs?

Allusion
12-10-2011, 05:47 AM
That's an unfair argument. Lopez hasn't been to the playoffs. Let's not overrate players because they shine in a few games during the playoffs, but disappear during the season.

What are you talking about. Bynum played great the 2nd half of the season and throughout the playoffs. It isn't like he played 2 good games.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:48 AM
Because Oden has done anything in this league? That makes perfect sense... SMH

Comparing Oden to Bynum is plain stupid.

Have you seen Oden's stats when he's healthy well? He averaged 11 and 9 with 2 blocks in 24 minutes in 09. What has Bynum done? Don't say championship because that isn't a personal accolade.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:48 AM
"JTJ": Your post is Ignorance at its worst... The fact that Bynum has been third or fourth option throughout his career.. The fact that he has been injured often and still has similar #'s?? Brook has averaged 75+ games(starting) a season with an average of 34 minutes per game(In his career). Bynum averages 45-50 games (starting) and an average of 24 minutes per game (In his career). Lopez is not a 3rd option on his team. Once again if Bynum is given more responsibility and more playing time without getting injured his ceiling is much higher than Lopez. That is all I am trying to say....

Bynum has played twice as many years as Lopez. ( Bynum 6 years Lopez 3). He has had plenty of time to get back into form and show he can stay healthy, that he has not done at all. He is a great player WHEN healthy and so was Brandon Roy, until is injury forced him to retire. You cannot tell me as a basketball fan a GM would risk that for a possible "higher ceiling? with Bynum"?

Ive said this tons of times. Bynum is a solid player, very solid, but for a team rebuilding the Magic do not need someone who is injury prone period. Not to mention the Lakers wont be able to clear cap space for the Magic and will Bynum even want to resign long term there?

I was arguing Lopez vs Bynum and the trade. I just dont understand why people cant rational the clear viewpoints that are the Lakers and Nets essential offers.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:51 AM
Bynum is 24 years old? When Perkins did well was a couple years ago when he was what 21?

How old do you think Lopez is?

22

Cal827
12-10-2011, 05:51 AM
That's why he's wasn't in my top 3 and why I don't think you can put Bynum up their right now. If we want to talk about how well Centers play when healthy then we need to include Oden in the discussion as well. Lol.

:laugh2: The best Center in the world... he just needs new legs.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:52 AM
185 posts since 2009... Let me guess you will say "I have a life and not always on PSD"...lol... Dont worry bro will probably see you in 2013 with 300 posts!!! Good job!!..Keep it up!!! lol:clap:

Oh I am so sorry, I must not know ANYTHING about sports because I have a low post count on a site I use to lurk through and post my NFL mocks on? What a horrible and ignorant person I must be.....

I post more often on a Jets site but come here sometimes to talk basketball since its not as active on that topic as it is football and the NFL draft. So to say that my knowledge is less because my post count is low is plain stupid. Are you pointing these little things out because you are losing with your friend on this topic that you have chosen to debate me on?

ThuglifeJ
12-10-2011, 05:53 AM
Dude bynum is whack. Y is he being argued right now when one he cant stay healthy. Two his mental toughness is that of a high schooler. Three he isn't even that special if he was he woulda proved it by now which is hard when u cant play an entire season. Center position is just weak as hell now. Givve me howard noah or bogut. The rest are all a wash compared to what there has been..

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 05:53 AM
Bynum has played twice as many years as Lopez. ( Bynum 6 years Lopez 3). He has had plenty of time to get back into form and show he can stay healthy, that he has not done at all. He is a great player WHEN healthy and so was Brandon Roy, until is injury forced him to retire. You cannot tell me as a basketball fan a GM would risk that for a possible "higher ceiling? with Bynum"?

Ive said this tons of times. Bynum is a solid player, very solid, but for a team rebuilding the Magic do not need someone who is injury prone period. Not to mention the Lakers wont be able to clear cap space for the Magic and will Bynum even want to resign long term there?

I was arguing Lopez vs Bynum and the trade. I just dont understand why people cant rational the clear viewpoints that are the Lakers and Nets essential offers.

Although Bynum has 3 years on Lopez, Brook still has logged 400 minutes more than Bynum in the regular season?? So what then??

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:54 AM
What are you talking about. Bynum played great the 2nd half of the season and throughout the playoffs. It isn't like he played 2 good games.

My point. You can't build a team around 50 game seasons.

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 05:55 AM
:laugh2: The best Center in the world... he just needs new legs.

lmao

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 05:56 AM
Although Bynum has 3 years on Lopez, Brook still has logged 400 minutes more than Bynum in the regular season?? So what then??

Can you actually argue points? or do you just choose to say one thing and then one thing and then one thing without arguing with anything then your own Laker opinion?

ThuglifeJ
12-10-2011, 05:59 AM
Btw howard will be a net if tampering issues ignored. They have best offer and could take hedos contract I believe. Lakers are still possible becuz its LA and potential cp3 that they tampered andd bynum is solid. Mavs do have a sneaky shot tho. First round draft picks and who knows what else cuban has. Im predicting hes a net.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 06:00 AM
Btw howard will be a net if tampering issues ignored. They have best offer and could take hedos contract I believe. Lakers are still possible becuz its LA and potential cp3 that they tampered andd bynum is solid. Mavs do have a sneaky shot tho. First round draft picks and who knows what else cuban has. Im predicting hes a net.

Tampering will not be a problem for the Nets, just to clear that up for you. Both sides came out and said it was false.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 06:06 AM
Oh I am so sorry, I must not know ANYTHING about sports because I have a low post count on a site I use to lurk through and post my NFL mocks on? What a horrible and ignorant person I must be.....

I post more often on a Jets site but come here sometimes to talk basketball since its not as active on that topic as it is football and the NFL draft. So to say that my knowledge is less because my post count is low is plain stupid. Are you pointing these little things out because you are losing with your friend on this topic that you have chosen to debate me on?

Negative.... What I was trying to get at was that in 2+ years your posts are low which basically tells me your one of those guys that comes in speaks your mind and leaves for a couple of months. Your one of those guys that will post without proof of what your saying. You came in with guns blazing saying "Ignorance at its best" on one of my comments... When I see posters like you it makes me laugh because I probably wont see you on this forum until the Jets season is over. Its all good bro... I know how it is...

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 06:06 AM
Tampering will not be a problem for the Nets, just to clear that up for you. Both sides came out and said it was false.

I know Dwight was denying it, but I didn't know Orlando denied the rumors too. It's make sense though or else why would they let Dwight's agent talk to the Nets.

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 06:09 AM
Can you actually argue points? or do you just choose to say one thing and then one thing and then one thing without arguing with anything then your own Laker opinion?

I'm not arguing... I've posted facts...Your posting opinions

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 06:09 AM
I know Dwight was denying it, but I didn't know Orlando denied the rumors too. It's make sense though or else why would they let Dwight's agent talk to the Nets.

Here ya go man: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/12/9/2624997/no-tampering-charges-say-magic-no-tampering-period-says-king

Netslunatic76
12-10-2011, 06:13 AM
Here ya go man: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/12/9/2624997/no-tampering-charges-say-magic-no-tampering-period-says-king

Wow. Chris Broussard was really adamant about those tampering charges. . . according to his "sources". I don't know how that dude still has a job. He's been all over the place with bs lately.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 06:15 AM
I'm not arguing... I've posted facts...Your posting opinions

You commented on stats about Lopez and Bynum which clearly showed Brook was the more complete player due to durability and point scoring yet still said he wasnt as good as Bynum? Thats why I stated an ignorant opinion. I dont get how that isnt clear to see?

rasajr23
12-10-2011, 06:18 AM
Lets agree to disagree... This entire time I was only pointing out that Bynum has the higher ceiling... That's all... Will see you again once the Jets get bounced out of the playoffs...lol

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 06:21 AM
Negative.... What I was trying to get at was that in 2+ years your posts are low which basically tells me your one of those guys that comes in speaks your mind and leaves for a couple of months. Your one of those guys that will post without proof of what your saying. You came in with guns blazing saying "Ignorance at its best" on one of my comments... When I see posters like you it makes me laugh because I probably wont see you on this forum until the Jets season is over. Its all good bro... I know how it is...

:facepalm:So what if I post on what I want to talk about and not small comments that make my post count increase? Who cares....

Quality > Quantity anyday. I post what I feel and state my opinions with a solid arguement or viewpoint. I dont need to harp on who has commented on what more over the years? That in it self is a mindless statement.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 06:22 AM
Lets agree to disagree... This entire time I was only pointing out that Bynum has the higher ceiling... That's all... Will see you again once the Jets get bounced out of the playoffs...lol

You are just going to continue whether I post or not. Clearly this is an example.

Ecko72jc
12-10-2011, 06:22 AM
Lets agree to disagree... This entire time I was only pointing out that Bynum has the higher ceiling... That's all... Will see you again once the Jets get bounced out of the playoffs...lol

The Bynum's ceiling thing is a myth. Big men with knee trouble don't end well.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-10-2011, 06:24 AM
Wow. Chris Broussard was really adamant about those tampering charges. . . according to his "sources". I don't know how that dude still has a job. He's been all over the place with bs lately.

Yeah he has been pretty off but lets just hope he is right about the Nets being D12s preferred destination.

arkanian215
12-10-2011, 07:20 AM
Overall I think Bynum is better than Lopez. Better rebounder, better defense.

Here's the stats for Lopez vs Bynum

Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Andrew Bynum 4 4 0 4 21.3 2.5 5.5 .455 0.0 0.0 2.3 3.5 .643 1.0 3.8 4.8 0.8 0.0 2.0 0.8 5.0 7.3
Brook Lopez 4 0 4 4 37.8 8.3 16.3 .508 0.0 0.0 7.5 9.0 .833 4.3 5.5 9.8 3.0 1.0 1.5 2.3 2.8 24.0

I'm surprised Lakers fans don't remember that Brook has run them ragged a couple of times recently and just write him off as a slouch on a poor team.

One of those games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTm9onQULVg