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NYtilIdie
12-09-2011, 01:49 PM
They were just discussing it on ESPN, a link should be up soon.

EDIT:
Tyson Chandler is on his way to New York in a complicated deal that will give the Knicks a major defensive boost while leaving them with a gaping hole at point guard.
Off the Dribble

Chandler is expected to sign with the Knicks on Friday afternoon when the N.B.A. officially reopens for business, according to a person involved in the talks. To make room for Chandler under the salary cap, the Knicks will waive point guard Chauncey Billups and trade center Ronny Turiaf.

“It will be finished today,” the person involved in the talks said.

Chandler is flying to New York and could be in the gymnasium when the Knicks open training camp at 3 p.m. in Greenburgh, N.Y.

The precise terms of Chandler’s deal will depend on how much cap room the Knicks can clear, but it is expected to be in the range of $58 million over four years, with a starting salary in excess of $13 million.

Chandler, 29, averaged 10.1 points, 9.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks last season for Dallas, helping the Mavericks win their first N.B.A. championship in June. At 7 feet 1 inch, 235 pounds, Chandler provides interior defense that the Knicks have been missing since Patrick Ewing’s departure a decade ago. He will join Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire in perhaps the most formidable frontcourt in the league.

Billups will be waived under the N.B.A.’s new amnesty provision, which means he will be paid his full $14.2 million but his salary will be removed from the cap. By unloading Billups, trading Turiaf (probably for a draft pick) and a few minor moves, the Knicks will create the cap room needed for Chandler.

As an amnesty cut, Billups will be subject to a new waiver system in which any team with cap room can place a bid, up to his $14.2 million salary. The team with the highest bid would get Billups and pay the bid amount, with the rest of the salary paid by the Knicks. If no team with cap room places a bid, then Billups would become an unrestricted free agent. The Knicks cannot re-sign him.

That chain of decisions leaves the Knicks without a proven hand at point guard. Toney Douglas, who is more of a combination guard, can play the position in spurts, but the Knicks will be shopping for a new starter.

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/sports/basketball/knicks-to-part-with-billups-and-add-chandler.html)

LongIslandIcedZ
12-09-2011, 01:50 PM
Great pickup

king4day
12-09-2011, 01:50 PM
Did they say what will happen with Billups? Does he get Amnesty'd? If so, I feel for NY for having to do that. What a great insurance policy on the cap that would have been for Amar'e.

Mark my word, Amar'e is going to have an MVP type season next to Chandler.

Master Mind
12-09-2011, 01:51 PM
New York...New York

effen5
12-09-2011, 01:51 PM
Eddy Curry repeat

arkanian215
12-09-2011, 01:51 PM
Anyone know where they arranged Billups to go? Turiaf?

NYtilIdie
12-09-2011, 01:53 PM
Eddy Curry repeat

Because Tyson Chandler is just a fat, lazy piece of s**t :rolleyes:

DMasta718
12-09-2011, 01:53 PM
I guess we'll find out where Turiaf goes and what we get out of it near 2.

BrandoCommando
12-09-2011, 01:55 PM
Knicks are putting together a good team. Watch out

Mr Haha
12-09-2011, 01:55 PM
Stoudemire will heavily compete for the MVP award this season. His numbers will be ridiculous.

effen5
12-09-2011, 01:55 PM
Because Tyson Chandler is just a fat, lazy piece of s**t :rolleyes:

Both Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler has HUGE holes in their games....

and Tyson Chandler is EXTREMELY overrated....especially for 58mil....

NYKnickFanatic
12-09-2011, 01:55 PM
I really didnt want them to use the amnesty on Billups, just incase Amares knees give out, but we got our big man, cant complain.

bowdown27
12-09-2011, 01:56 PM
I like the pickup and hope it works out. We can't compare it to eddy curry or others because of what's around him in amare and melo.

Johann
12-09-2011, 01:56 PM
We have to make sure this is not vetoed!

$GangGr33n$
12-09-2011, 01:57 PM
who gonna be the point guard now? Toney is a combo guard not a true PG

metsfanssince05
12-09-2011, 01:57 PM
Great pick up. Stat dont got to worry much on D this year. This is Stats year! Watch out NBA!

metsfanssince05
12-09-2011, 01:57 PM
who gonna be the point guard now? Toney is a combo guard not a true PGBaron Davis maybe? Prob Shumpert or Douglas (which I hope not)

smith&wesson
12-09-2011, 01:58 PM
this is a great great move by the knicks. chandlers defense is worth more to the knicks then anything else.

and its not like they are giving up billups in his prime here. billups can be replaced. they just got a top 3 C in the league.

smith&wesson
12-09-2011, 01:58 PM
We have to make sure this is not vetoed!

:rimshot:

The Apprentice
12-09-2011, 01:59 PM
Chandler got over on the knicks big time. This has to be leading to something bigger.

ChitownSports16
12-09-2011, 02:00 PM
Who goes down 1st??? Stoudemire or Chandler? lol jk

If both can stay on the floor together this could be good for them.

knicks09
12-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Eddy Curry repeat

You mad bro ?

ChiTownSports1
12-09-2011, 02:12 PM
Eddy Curry repeat

No it's not. Chandler is a defensive monster and very good rebounder. If your a Knick's fan you will love to see this guy play. Having to lose Billups to do it will hurt though. As far as getting a Center to play with Amare and Melo who doesn't take away from there offensive games while still being able to effect a game, you get the best one that was available.

effen5
12-09-2011, 02:14 PM
You mad bro ?

Am I mad that a crappy player like Tyson Chandler is still getting 14mil a year....yeah then I'm FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUU

raging...;)

effen5
12-09-2011, 02:16 PM
No it's not. Chandler is a defensive monster and very good rebounder. If your a Knick's fan you will love to see this guy play. Having to lose Billups to do it will hurt though. As far as getting a Center to play with Amare and Melo who doesn't take away from there offensive games while still being able to effect a game, you get the best one that was available.

Hes a good defensive player depending on the system....hes highly overrated....

He had one good year with CP3 and then a good year with the Mavs last year and now people are overrating him....

Now if NYK's got Nene....Knicks would be pretty damn good..

justinnum1
12-09-2011, 02:17 PM
huge holes at point guard and SG

CostanzaNumba0
12-09-2011, 02:17 PM
Am I mad that a crappy player like Tyson Chandler is still getting 14mil a year....yeah then I'm FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUU

raging...;)

Hes a top 5 center in the nba, relax

29$JerZ
12-09-2011, 02:18 PM
Please don't compare Tyson to Eddy

Eddy cost multiple 1st round picks (Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge), Cap space, New York's shot at getting LeBron, and Anthony Randolph to just dump him

All Tyson will cost is Cap Space plus he actually does what a Center needs to do

effen5
12-09-2011, 02:18 PM
Hes a top 5 center in the nba, relax

Like I said, the league is overrating him now.

effen5
12-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Ill admit one thing though, Tyson won't hurt your team....(unless he decides to take a 2 when you need a 3)

RC3
12-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Like I said, the league is overrating him now.

And joakim Noah is an all star.

GiantsSwaGG
12-09-2011, 02:25 PM
Eddy Curry repeat

:facepalm:

GiantsSwaGG
12-09-2011, 02:26 PM
huge holes at point guard and SG

Baron Davis PG, Donthay Jones SG...Set!

arlubas
12-09-2011, 02:30 PM
Good addition to the Knicks. They definitely needed that defensive presence on their front court.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
12-09-2011, 02:31 PM
Now your in New Yorrrrk! These street's will make you feel brand new, these lights will insprire you!

$GangGr33n$
12-09-2011, 02:32 PM
baron davis is a FA?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
12-09-2011, 02:32 PM
Baron Davis PG, Donthay Jones SG...Set!

Where did u hear that Dohntay Jones?? Hes a good perimeter, tough, hard-nosed defender, exciting dunker too! He can't play PG tho.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
12-09-2011, 02:32 PM
baron davis is a FA?

He's being amnestied.

smith&wesson
12-09-2011, 02:33 PM
Hes a good defensive player depending on the system....hes highly overrated....

He had one good year with CP3 and then a good year with the Mavs last year and now people are overrating him....

Now if NYK's got Nene....Knicks would be pretty damn good..

tell my why the knicks need nene when they have stat ? nene is a better offensive big man, tyson chandlers is the 2nd best defensive big man in the league.

theres difference there. not everything is scoring. specially when you already have a guy name carmelo anthony who can pretty much score at will.

the knicks need defence, Tyson Chandler is the type of player to anchor your defence and protect the paint. that is way more valuable to new york then a scoring big that they already have in stat.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-09-2011, 02:36 PM
kinda bad contract imo

justinnum1
12-09-2011, 02:36 PM
Baron Davis PG, Donthay Jones SG...Set!

Davis isn't making it through waivers. Beisdes i read he was interested in miami, la, and NY.

Still big holes at 1 and 2

smith&wesson
12-09-2011, 02:36 PM
huge holes at point guard and SG

Whats wrong with fields playing sg :confused:

lakersiznumber1
12-09-2011, 02:37 PM
nice move he will improve the d alot hopefully u guys can get baron davis or a nice pg next:clap:

smith&wesson
12-09-2011, 02:38 PM
Davis isn't making it through waivers. Beisdes i read he was interested in miami, la, and NY.

Still big holes at 1 and 2

miami will take billups over davis.

northsider
12-09-2011, 02:39 PM
And joakim Noah is an all star.

What does this have to do with Tyson Chandler being overrated?

John Walls Era
12-09-2011, 02:42 PM
Did they say what will happen with Billups? Does he get Amnesty'd? If so, I feel for NY for having to do that. What a great insurance policy on the cap that would have been for Amar'e.

Mark my word, Amar'e is going to have an MVP type season next to Chandler.

Not with Carmelo on the team.

Good signing, its a lot of money, but he is considered a top 5 C and thats what it cost these days.

northsider
12-09-2011, 02:44 PM
Not with Carmelo on the team.

Good signing, its a lot of money, but he is considered a top 5 C and thats what it cost these days.

Even if your sig didn't have the big 3 in it that would be ****ing hilarious. With the Big 3 it is amazingly funny.

jp611
12-09-2011, 02:44 PM
What an awful deal, it obviously helps them but he is not worth that money at all, and it takes them out of the Chris Paul sweepstakes for sure.

BringBackOakley
12-09-2011, 02:44 PM
Both Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler has HUGE holes in their games....

and Tyson Chandler is EXTREMELY overrated....especially for 58mil....

In Eddy Curry's wildest dreams he was never as good as Chandler on defense. Chandler is widely regarded as the 2nd best defensive center in the league and just won a championship. Eddy Curry is a mess.

CostanzaNumba0
12-09-2011, 02:45 PM
Like I said, the league is overrating him now.

Name 5 centers better than chandler?

JasonJohnHorn
12-09-2011, 02:46 PM
I called this a week ago. And people thought I was an idiot for thinking NY would use their amnesty clause on Billups. I rock!

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=673474

Perhaps this thread should be merged with the one I started ;-)

Beltrans Mole
12-09-2011, 02:46 PM
What does this have to do with Tyson Chandler being overrated?

He's not overrated, we just overpaid for him. It was a necessary move from the Knicks standpoint. Needed a big-time defensive presence in the middle to help out the overall team defense. He's going to help Amare so much it's not even funny. The Knicks just need a PG now, and they can get a veteran to come in and split time with TD. The Knicks definitely improved.

thedfactor
12-09-2011, 02:48 PM
I'm happy for the Knicks and Tyson Chandler, excellent pairing. Now let's see them pursue and sign my boy JJ Barea as well

AIMelo=KillaDUO
12-09-2011, 02:58 PM
All decent players in the league are gonna be overpaid... That's what it takes nowadays. Look @ Wesley Mathews, Rashard Lewis, Paul Millsap etc... If you wanna keep any decent player. your gonna hafta pay him.

NYtilIdie
12-09-2011, 02:59 PM
Both Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler has HUGE holes in their games....

and Tyson Chandler is EXTREMELY overrated....especially for 58mil....

We're not asking Chandler to be a franchise player who needs to drop 20+ PPG, we just need him to rebound and play D, which are his specialty's.

Chacarron
12-09-2011, 03:02 PM
At least some good news in the NBA. I like it for the Knicks a lot.

h2r09
12-09-2011, 03:06 PM
good player, bad deal. he is an impact making player but you not only severely overpaid him but he is a player that puts a championship roster over the top, he doesn't make you one. he is not that type of player.

you now won't be adding another superstar to make it a big 3 but you will be littered with bad contracts in 2 years with amare and chandler as they age.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-09-2011, 03:11 PM
Baron Davis PG, Donthay Jones SG...Set!

how lol?

algreek3
12-09-2011, 03:13 PM
how lol?

He gets amnestied, clears waivers and then the Knicks pick him up on an exception.

fredv
12-09-2011, 03:15 PM
Good move by the Knicks.

Teeboy1487
12-09-2011, 03:21 PM
Excellent move by the Knicks.

tredigs
12-09-2011, 03:24 PM
It's a big time move by the Knicks, and given the NBA landscape and other offers that were floating around, absolutely not a "bad deal". Knicks are trying to win, and this is a great step for them to get there.

If I'm a fan of the team I'm in love with the deal; especially given their overall putrid defensive production between their starters+D'antoni, but I'd still be worried as to their status as a conender without having even a servicable playmaker at this point (but this is New York we're talking about - these moves are enormous for a perennially struggling franchise). Also, apparently no money to sign one at this point. It will take some nice GM'n to get a cheap/solid playmaker (remember, even Melo can't do this well unlike the situations in LA or Miami with them not having elite PG's). Look forward to see how that plays out.

Overall, pissed the Warriors didn't get Chandler, hopefully we land Nene. Great pickup for NY.

Dade County
12-09-2011, 03:25 PM
Good for the knicks... maybe they can challenge the C's & the bulls in the playoffs.

It's going to be an exciting season.

ewing
12-09-2011, 03:27 PM
Both Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler has HUGE holes in their games....

and Tyson Chandler is EXTREMELY overrated....especially for 58mil....



So do Earl Boykins and Shawn Bradley that doesn't make it correct to call one a repeat of the other

Silent
12-09-2011, 03:29 PM
Eddy Curry repeat

That's a pretty stupid comment:facepalm:

Slimsim
12-09-2011, 03:29 PM
Now we need a PG Maybe B davis maybe

J4KOP99
12-09-2011, 03:29 PM
This is huge for the Knicks. This is exactly what they needed.

--Does this mean Billups is definitely gone?

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-09-2011, 03:30 PM
He gets amnestied, clears waivers and then the Knicks pick him up on an exception.

not gonna happen

AIMelo=KillaDUO
12-09-2011, 03:32 PM
This is huge for the Knicks. This is exactly what they needed.

--Does this mean Billups is definitely gone?

Yup. :(

Whatever team picks up Chauncey is very, very, fortunate.

beasted86
12-09-2011, 03:33 PM
Knicks should place an amesty bid for Baron Davis now that they are under the cap and allowed to do so.

PG: Davis
SG: Fields
SF: Anthony
PF: Stoudemire
C:: Chandler

Need a better 3PT shooting 2 guard, but all around would be a good lineup.

VillaMaravilla
12-09-2011, 03:36 PM
Knick fans know how many games we lost in the last couple of years because the opposing team would pretty much have an invitation to the hole,,,,well fellas thats over now lol

VillaMaravilla
12-09-2011, 03:38 PM
I really dont why people in here say we overpaid when grant hill just got close to 7 million

Lake_Show2416
12-09-2011, 03:42 PM
u build a team through the bigs, so good move even tho it was a lot of money

ewmania
12-09-2011, 03:46 PM
Hes a good defensive player depending on the system....hes highly overrated....

He had one good year with CP3 and then a good year with the Mavs last year and now people are overrating him....

Now if NYK's got Nene....Knicks would be pretty damn good..

nene plays no defense so getting nene wouldn't have filled any holes... we have amare thats giving you 25+ a night. melo 25+ a night, offense isnt an issue for us

chandler's not afraid to take it inside, he plays defense basically shot lakers and maimi's front court down

this is great news for us... hate to lose billups but hopefully we can find a PG who atleast can pass and ball handle in a turiaf trade

Crackadalic
12-09-2011, 03:50 PM
Leaves a big hole at pg. Would love B-diddy but only if he clears waivers. Can't see any under the cap team picking him up

JetsNation24
12-09-2011, 03:52 PM
Im a Knicks fan who wishes Paul goes to the Lakers because maybe just maybe we could get Derrek Fisher? I think he would be the perfect cheap PG to have on this team.

Punk
12-09-2011, 03:53 PM
You can add Gilbert Arenas to the list of possible PGs.

Captain Moroni
12-09-2011, 03:53 PM
Who goes down 1st??? Stoudemire or Chandler? lol jk

.

Boozer

Bu312ck
12-09-2011, 03:54 PM
Knicks should place an amesty bid for Baron Davis now that they are under the cap and allowed to do so.

PG: Davis
SG: Fields
SF: Anthony
PF: Stoudemire
C:: Chandler

Need a better 3PT shooting 2 guard, but all around would be a good lineup.

Love that lineup but doesnt really resemble a dantoni run n gun O...more of half court players

GodsSon
12-09-2011, 03:55 PM
Over/under on how fast he gets injured?

40 games.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-09-2011, 03:56 PM
I really dont why people in here say we overpaid when grant hill just got close to 7 million

1 year contract

nycsports2
12-09-2011, 03:59 PM
great great pickup ive been wanting this guy all offseason but never thought it would happened so would of settled for haywood just to get a big body.... thees guards everywhere theyll be able to get 1 sooner or later IF shumpert doesnt pan out which i think he will... regardless love the move the knicks r back!!!!!

h2r09
12-09-2011, 04:01 PM
I really dont why people in here say we overpaid when grant hill just got close to 7 million

2 wrongs don't make a right. you just paid almost a max deal to a guy who is extremely limited offensively. he is a guy who puts teams over the top. you aren't close to that point. you are still 4th in the east.

mudvayne387
12-09-2011, 04:26 PM
If the Knicks went out and got an offensive minded Center people would say "They still have no Defense"

But since they brought in a guy known more for being a solid defender people are saying "He's overrated and is limited offensively"

As a Knicks fan, you really can't win. People will find a way to demoralize the franchise and the passionate fans that come along with it.

This is a great move for a team looking to take the next step. A perfect compliment to Amare in the post, and a guy who's not going to let 6'2 guards drive to the hoop anymore.

Tebow15Time
12-09-2011, 04:28 PM
Great pick up. Stat dont got to worry much on D this year. This is Stats year! Watch out NBA!

lol, does he ever?

Angelus™
12-09-2011, 04:30 PM
I think this is a great pick up for the Knicks/

Mavericks really lost a lot this off season

D Roses Bulls
12-09-2011, 04:31 PM
LMAO...... I love this. The Knicks over paid big time and I am not one of those guys that have been on his bandwagon cause I know Chandler was playing good because it was a contract season and he played with a good team.

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-09-2011, 04:37 PM
LMAO...... I love this. The Knicks over paid big time and I am not one of those guys that have been on his bandwagon cause I know Chandler was playing good because it was a contract season and he played with a good team.

Sounds familiar... Boozer ring a bell.

Kinkotheclown
12-09-2011, 04:38 PM
Stoudemire will heavily compete for the MVP award this season. His numbers will be ridiculous.

:clap:
I know!! And he won't take as much of a beating which will help in the long run!
So happy with this pick up

ChiSoxJuan
12-09-2011, 04:38 PM
In the end the Knicks did what I suggested. Go after the best Def C available. This is not about whether Chandler can be an effective scorer. This is whether or not Chandler can be both an effective OR & set a pick or a screen for Melo at the wing. This is about Chandler providing Melo more spacing on a drive to the basket. This is about making it harder on teams to block Melo on a drive. I applaud the Knicks for coming to their senses. They didn't need Paul because Melo doesn't need a conductor for the offense. They got exactly what they needed.

With the Celtics still looking to deal Rondo, this makes the Knicks a 3-4 seed contender.

As a Bulls fans, the Bulls have to give serious consideration now towards putting a bid in for Billups & preparing to sign him as a FA. The Bulls need to be able to play Rose off the ball more like the Heat do with Wade. He'll still be the PG for the team but we want teams to have to deal with the threat of Rose being on the receiving end of an alley-hoop.

D Roses Bulls
12-09-2011, 04:40 PM
Sounds familiar... Boozer ring a bell.

I was against that too, but comparing to what Amare was paid and some other FA's he wasn't exactly over paid for what he has done in the past, but I was never a boozer fan. Hopefully he can get it together this year.

Khalifa21
12-09-2011, 04:44 PM
Sounds familiar... Boozer ring a bell.

:burn:

D Roses Bulls
12-09-2011, 04:46 PM
:burn:

how is that a burn? Boozer was an all star a couple years ago, Chandler was a freakin back up center in Charlotte a year ago and you guys gave him 58 million dollars because of a good playoff run. great job NY!!!

Sadds The Gr8
12-09-2011, 04:49 PM
Over/under on how fast he gets injured?

40 games.

under

ewing
12-09-2011, 04:50 PM
LMAO...... I love this. The Knicks over paid big time and I am not one of those guys that have been on his bandwagon cause I know Chandler was playing good because it was a contract season and he played with a good team.


They overpaided they didn't over pay bigtime. Centers get overpaided. Its supple and demand. Look at what Bogut makes, what Nene will get, etc. What every quality starting center with legit center size and some defense get paided.

D Roses Bulls
12-09-2011, 04:53 PM
They overpaided they didn't over pay bigtime. Centers get overpaided. Its supple and demand. Look at what Bogut makes, what Nene will get, etc. What every quality starting center with legit center size and some defense get paided.

fair point.

justinnum1
12-09-2011, 04:54 PM
It all depends how chandler plays...dallas' guards were decent defenders, i think chandler and amare get into foul trouble a lot.

Kashmir13579
12-09-2011, 05:01 PM
Eddy Curry repeat
Why would you even say that. They are polar opposites on the court.

gotoHcarolina52
12-09-2011, 05:02 PM
Sounds familiar... Boozer ring a bell.

:clap:

Love this signing for the Knicks. They are building a very good team.

Kashmir13579
12-09-2011, 05:03 PM
If the Knicks went out and got an offensive minded Center people would say "They still have no Defense"

But since they brought in a guy known more for being a solid defender people are saying "He's overrated and is limited offensively"

As a Knicks fan, you really can't win. People will find a way to demoralize the franchise and the passionate fans that come along with it.

This is a great move for a team looking to take the next step. A perfect compliment to Amare in the post, and a guy who's not going to let 6'2 guards drive to the hoop anymore.

I enjoyed reading this.

Sadds The Gr8
12-09-2011, 05:04 PM
Tyson Chandler = overrated

ChiSox219
12-09-2011, 05:06 PM
I've hated the Knicks franchise as long as I can remember but I love this move and I love the squad that is forming. If the Knicks could somehow land Nash, I'd watch all 82 of their games no hyperbole.

VillaMaravilla
12-09-2011, 05:16 PM
how is that a burn? Boozer was an all star a couple years ago, Chandler was a freakin back up center in Charlotte a year ago and you guys gave him 58 million dollars because of a good playoff run. great job NY!!!

stop hating dude really you bulls fan are something else.....just get ready your little fluke run last year aint happening this year, man I cant wait till we play you guys

VillaMaravilla
12-09-2011, 05:19 PM
I've hated the Knicks franchise as long as I can remember but I love this move and I love the squad that is forming. If the Knicks could somehow land Nash, I'd watch all 82 of their games no hyperbole.

this....just because we dislike eachother theres no reason to put down a great move by one or the other.....cant wait to see you guys its going to be fun this year

Eagles4Lyfe
12-09-2011, 05:21 PM
very nice move on their behalf. Melo-Amare-Chandler is very nice start. They need a bruce bowan, tony allen type SG who just solely focuses on defense and they'll have a perfectly balanced team. Their bench is going to be abysmal though

goose14741
12-09-2011, 05:22 PM
because of chandler we couldnt afford him anyways but interesting development, https://twitter.com/#!/FisolaNYDN

nyanks79
12-09-2011, 05:22 PM
I dont love the move nor Chandler but I do think he can fit in well. But I dont get the overpaid claims. Its moot.

Punk
12-09-2011, 05:22 PM
Chandler started all games with the Bobcats and they had the top defense in the league? :confused:

He goes to Dallas and they improve defensively. Charlotte decrease defensively and they end up rebuilding.

Totally overrated player.


Tyson Chandler = overrated

that explains why Toronto fans were raving about signing him to play next to Bargs, right?

Try harder.

goose14741
12-09-2011, 05:22 PM
thats grant hill i mean

mdm692
12-09-2011, 05:26 PM
I really dont why people in here say we overpaid when grant hill just got close to 7 million
arguably top 5 wing defender, can create his own shot, can pass the ball, can rebound, can be ball handler hes been getting underpaid ever since he got to phx. But i guess since he is 39 playing at a very high level he doesnt deserve the money:facepalm:

Punk
12-09-2011, 05:32 PM
arguably top 5 wing defender, can create his own shot, can pass the ball, can rebound, can be ball handler hes been getting underpaid ever since he got to phx. But i guess since he is 39 playing at a very high level he doesnt deserve the money:facepalm:

I agree.

Defensive players will be payed more or the same as a top star player.

The Bulls fans shouldn't talk when they overpaid an undersized forward 80 million. Who under preformed.

It's one thing to be mad but it's another to be a delusional fool with no knowledge of the game. Miami won, Knicks won, Lakers won...or thought they did. I'm not bias enough to hate a move that helps a team tremendously and try to pretend something is wrong with it. It's immature.

KnickaBocka.44
12-09-2011, 05:34 PM
Tyson is a top 5 C who blocks shots, rebounds, and rotates extraordinarily for a 7 footer. He is athletic and can score in the post when called upon plus he increases the value of Amare. Legit centers are hard to come by so they cost more money. Simple supply and demand as another poster said eariler.

xxplayerxx23
12-09-2011, 05:35 PM
why is every knick considered over rated, He is a top 5 center, It was a little tp much money but all centers get over paied. Like the move, Hope we can stay healthy Iman has to step up now, Maybe we get a veteran pg

gotoHcarolina52
12-09-2011, 05:39 PM
Tyson Chandler = overrated

Jamaal Magloire is much better!

AddiX
12-09-2011, 05:45 PM
I really don't understand how the Knicks pulled this off without any rumors.

I'm extremely happy about this move, no one saw it coming and I'll be damned if I had to watch another season of free lanes to hoop, I almost lost my mind last year watching that crap.

VillaMaravilla
12-09-2011, 05:48 PM
arguably top 5 wing defender, can create his own shot, can pass the ball, can rebound, can be ball handler hes been getting underpaid ever since he got to phx. But i guess since he is 39 playing at a very high level he doesnt deserve the money:facepalm:

my dude you took it the wrong way, I was just trying to show that Chandler at 13.5 is a good deal, just like I think Hill got his market value

VillaMaravilla
12-09-2011, 05:49 PM
I really don't understand how the Knicks pulled this off without any rumors.

I'm extremely happy about this move, no one saw it coming and I'll be damned if I had to watch another season of free lanes to hoop, I almost lost my mind last year watching that crap.

you know how many games we lost because of that,just think now that there is no more free pass to the hole how much better we are going to be

Rockice_8
12-09-2011, 05:51 PM
why is every knick considered over rated, He is a top 5 center, It was a little tp much money but all centers get over paied. Like the move, Hope we can stay healthy Iman has to step up now, Maybe we get a veteran pg

He's overrated cause people like you call him a top 5 center. I'm not even sure he's top 10 let alone top 5. And yet you still wonder why everyone hates the Knicks.

I'm just gonna rattle off a few names in no particular order.

Dwight
Lopez
Bynum
Bogut
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Nene

I could be missing a few others but thats 8 right there I'd take over Chandler. The one thing Chandler does have going for him is that he fits in very well with the Knicks, but he's not top 5.

strahan92osi72
12-09-2011, 05:52 PM
Seriously I am tired of every god damm player that goes to the Knicks all of a sudden becoming overrated. This guy is a beast, Amare will be more of a beast now that he has a legit center next to him. Other than Howard, you cannot give me a clear cut center better than him, not Noah, not Bogut, and certainly not Nene, lol @ the person who said the Knicks should've signed Nene instead. I know so many PSD hate the Knicks but this every Knick player or future Knick player is overrated stuff, it is really becoming comical.

strahan92osi72
12-09-2011, 05:53 PM
He's overrated cause people like you call him a top 5 center. I'm not even sure he's top 10 let alone top 5. And yet you still wonder why everyone hates the Knicks.

I'm just gonna rattle off a few names in no particular order.

Dwight
Lopez
Bynum
Bogut
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Nene

I could be missing a few others but thats 8 right there I'd take over Chandler. The one thing Chandler does have going for him is that he fits in very well with the Knicks, but he's not top 5.

Comedy at its finest folks.

Rockice_8
12-09-2011, 05:54 PM
As of 4:30 pm eastern time this deal was still not official so the thread is a little misleading. Still have to find a taker for Turiaf.

strahan92osi72
12-09-2011, 05:55 PM
As of 4:30 pm eastern time this deal was still not official so the thread is a little misleading. Still have to find a taker for Turiaf.

No big deal either way right? I mean he's not even top ten center. Nene, Lopez, Bogut, etc. are better than him.:rolleyes:

Raiderwood
12-09-2011, 05:57 PM
There may be better players; but Tyson is the fit for the Knicks system.. shoots, blocks and moves well without the ball.. We don't need an all star at every position; just people who can play well within the system we play..

Good addition, I wish we could have kept Billups though...

BigBlueCrew
12-09-2011, 06:00 PM
He's overrated cause people like you call him a top 5 center. I'm not even sure he's top 10 let alone top 5. And yet you still wonder why everyone hates the Knicks.

I'm just gonna rattle off a few names in no particular order.

Dwight
Lopez
Bynum
Bogut
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Nene

I could be missing a few others but thats 8 right there I'd take over Chandler. The one thing Chandler does have going for him is that he fits in very well with the Knicks, but he's not top 5.

I hope your not talking about Brooks Lopez? Otherwise like strahan92osi72 said this is comedy at its finest

Rockice_8
12-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Comedy at its finest folks.


Haha you say in your other post that only Dwight is better then him and then only bold 5 out of my 8 players I listed meaning you still think Bynum and Horford are better. Knicks fan still don't understand why people laugh at you? All of a sudden Chandler who is an older version of Noah (a very good role player) is now the second best Center in the league. If you read the rest of my post I said Tyson is a great fit in NY but I'd take Lopez, Nene, Noah and Bogut every day of the week over Chandler. However I like Chandler the best for what NY needed but that doesn't mean you wouldn't take everyone of those other players I listed over him if you were starting a franchise.

You my friend are exactly the type of person that gives the educated Knicks fans a bad rep.

strahan92osi72
12-09-2011, 06:02 PM
I hope your not talking about Brooks Lopez? Otherwise like strahan92osi72 said this is comedy at its finest

Everyone on that list accept Howard, Bynum, and maybe Horford, is comedt at its finest.

THE MTL
12-09-2011, 06:02 PM
He's overrated cause people like you call him a top 5 center. I'm not even sure he's top 10 let alone top 5. And yet you still wonder why everyone hates the Knicks.

I'm just gonna rattle off a few names in no particular order.

Dwight
Lopez
Bynum
Bogut
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Nene

I could be missing a few others but thats 8 right there I'd take over Chandler. The one thing Chandler does have going for him is that he fits in very well with the Knicks, but he's not top 5.

Anyway a better ranking is DEFENSE! And Tyson Chandler is only second to Dwight Howard in that category.

KingPosey
12-09-2011, 06:09 PM
Tyson had a nice year last year but essentially 4 for 60? He is solid, but he isnt THAT solid imo.

AddiX
12-09-2011, 06:15 PM
It doesn't matter if you thi k Tyson is a top center or not, everyone agrees knicks need a shot blocker and rebounder, and we need one that can run the court and is good on the Pick n roll.

Chandler fits all those categories, there isn't a better FA on the market/and very few off the market for the Knicks at any position than Chandler. In this system there are very few centers, especially with size, that fit.

Great signing.

northsider
12-09-2011, 06:16 PM
Comedy at its finest folks.

Whats comedy is that you make his statement out to be like its absurd. I would def. take Noah, Lopez, Bogut(if healthy) over Chandler. I really fail too see the humor it what he said???

Punk
12-09-2011, 06:18 PM
Only ignorant fans would under sell a guy who came 2nd to Defensive Player Of The Year award.

Helped the Hornets and Bobcats defensively during their playoff runs before Dallas. But anyhow, It's a great signing peroid. Everyone has said it.

northsider
12-09-2011, 06:19 PM
Chandler is def. a great addition to there team but, once again I love how when a player is going to the Knicks he automatically is considered THE GREATEST EVER OMG THE BESTEST! (not by all knicks fans of course but, the ones who cloud the NBA forum for the most part with ignorance).

Kashmir13579
12-09-2011, 06:29 PM
He's overrated cause people like you call him a top 5 center. I'm not even sure he's top 10 let alone top 5. And yet you still wonder why everyone hates the Knicks.

I'm just gonna rattle off a few names in no particular order.

Dwight
Lopez
Bynum
Bogut
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Nene

I could be missing a few others but thats 8 right there I'd take over Chandler. The one thing Chandler does have going for him is that he fits in very well with the Knicks, but he's not top 5.

The three i bolded are laughable, the rest are debatable. Dwight is the only one, imo, that is CLEARLY a superior option at the C.

northsider
12-09-2011, 06:41 PM
I don't see why its a big deal though they obviously lacked a big presence down low and they got a pretty good one.

Kashmir13579
12-09-2011, 06:43 PM
Its a catch-22. Haters will underrated him now, Knicks fans will overrate him. The blame is on all of you.

KnickaBocka.44
12-09-2011, 06:49 PM
Right now in the NBA there is a huge surplus of power forwards. Many of them are in the top 3 contributors on their given teams. In addition, every team has at least 2 lanky 6'9'' or 6'10'' guys who come off the bench. The difference is that no one wants to do the dirty work that Centers are assigned. It takes more effort to play d and crash the boards relentlessly than it does to take 15 shots a night and score 20 per game.

I love Amare's offensive game. You can't convince me that any other PF in the league (outside of Dirk) has a more complete game on offense. But he simply can't be the beast he is on O and clean the glass and erase shots at the other end. This is what Tyson is for and this is why he is underrated by outsiders is because not only is he doing the dirty work for us, he is making our franchise player even more effective.

blahblahyoutoo
12-09-2011, 06:50 PM
He's overrated cause people like you call him a top 5 center. I'm not even sure he's top 10 let alone top 5. And yet you still wonder why everyone hates the Knicks.

I'm just gonna rattle off a few names in no particular order.

Dwight
Lopez
Bynum
Bogut
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Nene

I could be missing a few others but thats 8 right there I'd take over Chandler. The one thing Chandler does have going for him is that he fits in very well with the Knicks, but he's not top 5.

you're delusional.
chandler is a great fit for the knicks, even better than cp3 IMO.

yeah, he's overpaid... he's more of a $8-10M guy IMO, but with GS offer so high, you really have no choice.
he already gave them the NY discount.

ne3xchamps
12-09-2011, 06:51 PM
I don't understand the hate for chandler. That guy is a beast. I'm really surprised the mavs didn't resign him. NY is going to be tough with their inside game.

THE MTL
12-09-2011, 06:57 PM
Chandler is def. a great addition to there team but, once again I love how when a player is going to the Knicks he automatically is considered THE GREATEST EVER OMG THE BESTEST! (not by all knicks fans of course but, the ones who cloud the NBA forum for the most part with ignorance).

Are u serious? I see the exact opposite. Now that Melo is a Knick he is suddenly not a Top 10 NBA player and gets called out for his defense every freaking day....when he was on the Nuggets, oh he is just a little worse than Lebron James.

KnickaBocka.44
12-09-2011, 06:57 PM
Right now in the NBA there is a huge surplus of power forwards. Many of them are in the top 3 contributors on their given teams. In addition, every team has at least 2 lanky 6'9'' or 6'10'' guys who come off the bench. The difference is that no one wants to do the dirty work that Centers are assigned. It takes more effort to play d and crash the boards relentlessly than it does to take 15 shots a night and score 20 per game.

I love Amare's offensive game. You can't convince me that any other PF in the league (outside of Dirk) has a more complete game on offense. But he simply can't be the beast he is on O and clean the glass and erase shots at the other end. This is what Tyson is for and this is why he is underrated by outsiders is because not only is he doing the dirty work for us, he is making our franchise player even more effective.

This being considered, when I look at centers that I would want if I were starting a franchise Dwight is the obvious choice.

Behind him: I would NEVER choose Lopez because I can get my scoring from other positions and he doesnt board enough or play D.

Bynum: too much of a liability to get hurt. When he is healthy he goes on streaks where he plays excellent for maybe 15 games but in an 82 game season plus playoffs, theres no guarantee.

Bogut: See Bynum but with less potential.

Noah: Great energy, can't really argue with him, but honestly I think he is more of a PF filling in at C.

Cousins: THIS is laughable. Undeniably talented but he hasnt proven that he can keep his head on straight, let alone succeed consistently in the NBA.

Nene: More overpaid than Chandler, no D, no rebounding, no thanks. You can have your 60% shooting.

Horford: Top 5 power forward filling in at C. Can't wait to see him play his natural position.

I will easily and confidently call Tyson Chandler a top 5 true C in the NBA

ne3xchamps
12-09-2011, 06:59 PM
He's overrated cause people like you call him a top 5 center. I'm not even sure he's top 10 let alone top 5. And yet you still wonder why everyone hates the Knicks.

I'm just gonna rattle off a few names in no particular order.

Dwight
Lopez
Bynum
Bogut
Noah
Cousins
Horford
Nene

I could be missing a few others but thats 8 right there I'd take over Chandler. The one thing Chandler does have going for him is that he fits in very well with the Knicks, but he's not top 5.

:laugh2: WHAT??

You are drinking alot of that haterade aren't you?

knicks=love
12-09-2011, 07:03 PM
All dem haterz iz mad, yo.

effen5
12-09-2011, 07:09 PM
stop hating dude really you bulls fan are something else.....just get ready your little fluke run last year aint happening this year, man I cant wait till we play you guys

How are we hating? We've seen this guy play for years and when I watched him the last couple of years, and his improvements are not great. Only time this guy played decently is when hes had a decent PG (Chris Paul, Jason Kidd) for alley-oops and thats it.

colinskik
12-09-2011, 07:35 PM
very nice move on their behalf. Melo-Amare-Chandler is very nice start. They need a bruce bowan, tony allen type SG who just solely focuses on defense and they'll have a perfectly balanced team. Their bench is going to be abysmal though

eaglesbaby4lyfe meet Landry Fields.

Sadds The Gr8
12-09-2011, 11:55 PM
Jamaal Magloire is much better!

exactly.

sunsfan88
12-10-2011, 12:14 AM
Chandler has had to deal with injury problems his whole career until he reached Dallas and their medical staff helped him...let's see if NY can do the same.

OA SLAY
12-10-2011, 12:21 AM
Knicks fans have to Relax... we did over pay and he hasnt done sh**!t yet.

OA SLAY
12-10-2011, 12:24 AM
its funny how fast peoples perspective changes, this time 2years ago you couldnt find a soul that wasnt bashing Tyson.

ragee
12-10-2011, 12:30 AM
I hate to see him go but I trust Cuban. Great pickup for you guys. He will mask Amare's inability to play defense. With that, he can focus more on offense making him more productive. Now all you need to do is get a decent pg and you guys can give Miami a hard time. Good luck!

blastmasta26
12-10-2011, 12:43 AM
Love the fit, wish we could've gotten him for less though. Not sure how good this deal will look in 3-4 years.

DR_1
12-10-2011, 01:05 AM
Wow best signing of the season so far

THE MTL
12-10-2011, 01:16 AM
Love the fit, wish we could've gotten him for less though. Not sure how good this deal will look in 3-4 years.

Knicks already got a discount. Everyone else was offering slightly more money than us.

JerseysFinest
12-10-2011, 01:18 AM
Really good signing by the Knickerbockers

oak2455
12-10-2011, 01:19 AM
Wow best signing of the season so far

probably change your sig Albert signed w the Angels........ohh well:D

roshan3ai
12-10-2011, 01:24 AM
I really like the signing. There is only one center I'd definitively take over Chandler at this point, and that's obviously Dwight. After Dwight, there's Chandler, Noah, Nene, Horford, Bogut (when healthy, which isn't very often) and Bynum. They all have their flaws.

Nene- Very efficient scorer but a puss down low, below avg rebounder, and average defender

Horford- Great player, but is better suited for PF

Bogut- He has a limited offensive game, is inefficient, and is always hurt

Bynum- Extremely talented, but always hurt and can never play a full season

Noah- limited offensive arsenal

Chandler- Relatively injury prone

These guys all have some flaws, but this deal is definitely worth it for the Knicks. It helps the team a great deal because Amar'e won't be forced to guard opposing fives and play matador defense to stay out of foul trouble. He'll finally have an enforcer down low who can give him some help, and let Amar'e focus on the offensive end. The entire team will benefit from Chandler really. He's very vocal, a great help defender, rebounder, very athletic, and is exactly what NY needed.

I wish Billups wasn't let go, but it was necessary to fill a huge hole at center. We finally have a legit defensive center, who's not inept on offense, can rebound, knows what it takes to win, and is a vocal leader. The contract is a bit on the high side, but I think he'll be worth it if he stays healthy. He is a hell of a player.

bmac
12-10-2011, 01:34 AM
I really like this signing. Me personaly ive always liked chandler, he bring exactly what you need to win a championship (desire, passion, intensety, will to win) all the things youd want in a player. I think he will be a great addition to amare and anthony as he fits exactly what they dont do often, defence. He can take the work load off amare in the post defend the best player, rebound more, bng down low and plus gives amre rest from playing the C positon with an undersize team around him, dude has been doing this since PHX. I think with the rumors of Paul being traded to LA they didnt want to waste their chance to add a significant peice this year than wait next year for paul who prolly wouldnt be able to sign with the knicks anyways. Out of al the other top centers chandler is the best fit whatever the case you may make.

Now not sure how the cap space situation will look like after, billups being amnested and see if we can trade turiof. I wonder if well A be under the cap to make an offer on an anmested player, such as davis or arenas. And B do they have the full mid level, the min one? how much can we throw at a PG now?

The best case IMO would be if they could sign Davis, honestly he would be a goof fit for this team. He can play on a big stage and when motivated could be good. He seemed fine being in clevland and having to take a more teacher role for irving, not anymore. But atleast he wasnt a baby, but i hear he has but on the baby fat. but if he is fit and willing to play for less money which y wouldnt he, still getting paid then y not take a chance with the knicks. there are other options but will they accept the money whed be able to offer?

I really like the frontcourt of this team, just need to resign shawn williams, but our backcourt has decent propsect in TD iman and fields, but they need a vet to lead the way. I think this team should consider resigning carter if hed take the vet 1 mill, he doesnt need to play at all just he can if needed play defence and mentor the young guys.

Another player that is never mentioned is delonte west, He can play PG not a full time starter, but he is a vet who could sign for less and he always plays well in the playoffs. And has everyone forgot about wilson chandler, i heard rumors before hed want to return to then knicks, y not when he comes back from china sign a min contract for the rest of the season then sign for the full mid next year, if possible. Now not sure if he will be a RFA when he returns so denver could always resign him, but even if he does maybe he signs one yr with the nuggest, then signs with the knicks after. Perfect SG option or SF sixth man.

again all depends on how the cap will work with all these signing, nothing is yet final. Still have to get used to the new CBA rules. But as of now signed chandler, trade turiaf, amnesty billups. resign williams, carter, jefferies who they did i think? then look to sign davis after clears waivers, then sign chandler when he returns or wait a year to sign mid level

possible team

davis, TD,carter
Fields,iman
anthony,chandler,williams
amare,jefferies
Chandler,harrelson

ThunderousDemon
12-10-2011, 01:34 AM
Knicks with this trade place them as the third or even second seed in the east, great pickup

Super.
12-10-2011, 01:42 AM
I think they overpayed, but it's a great pickup for the NYY nonetheless