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Longhornfan1234
12-06-2011, 09:17 PM
Kevin Love imo.

Crab Dribble!
12-06-2011, 09:19 PM
Blake Griffin. One day, he may well be as good as he's been hyped up to be, but not yet.

Mr Costanza
12-06-2011, 09:20 PM
Stat, Melo, and CP3 if he somehow joins the Knicks.

Hustlenomics
12-06-2011, 09:20 PM
Kevin Love imo.

agreed

justinnum1
12-06-2011, 09:21 PM
Melo

DLeeicious
12-06-2011, 09:22 PM
The word overrated gets tossed around so ****ing much. It's such a subjective thing there is no answer

Wade>You
12-06-2011, 09:24 PM
Derrick Rose won an MVP way before many NBA greats did (if ever).

mttwlsn16
12-06-2011, 09:25 PM
Kevin love, drose, andrew bynum,

Lakers4ItAll
12-06-2011, 09:26 PM
CP3 because of all his trade talk. Is he a great player yes but he's had recent injury's. Why anyone wants him instead of Dwill is ******** at this point.

Mudvayne91
12-06-2011, 09:27 PM
This is not a shot at Nene cause he's probably gone and for the record, I've been saying this for many years now, but Nene.

He's a nice #3-4 guy imo, but is far from a star player.

TheKnight
12-06-2011, 09:27 PM
How is CP3 overrated? smh

Sportfan
12-06-2011, 09:28 PM
Dwight

Nyc4You
12-06-2011, 09:29 PM
How is CP3 overrated? smh

if your on the knicks or rumored to be going to the knicks your overrated:facepalm: Keep on hatting :p

Sportfan
12-06-2011, 09:29 PM
Durant

Dmagic87
12-06-2011, 09:30 PM
Rajon Rondo... dude would be garbage if he wasn't surrounded by great talent

jmoney85
12-06-2011, 09:31 PM
joakim noah

Lucky.
12-06-2011, 09:32 PM
Derrick Rose won an MVP way before many NBA greats did (if ever).

I think D-Rose is overrated because 1. He takes too many unnecessary shots which leads up to 2. People always say he has no team but he does.. Am I saying he's very overrated? No. When he learns when to take the right shots he will be VERY good.


I'll say Joe Johnson..But I do hate all the Love for well, Love..

Chronz
12-06-2011, 09:32 PM
Speaking of Kevin Love I heard he lost like 25lbs, I wonder if that will help his game

ChiSox219
12-06-2011, 09:32 PM
Blake Griffin. One day, he may well be as good as he's been hyped up to be, but not yet.

He's underrated


Derrick Rose.

If someone says LeBron your an idiot.

:rolleyes:

Chronz
12-06-2011, 09:32 PM
Stat, Melo, and CP3 if he somehow joins the Knicks.

Who are these massive Knick haters all you Knick homers keep speaking of?

seikou8
12-06-2011, 09:33 PM
pau gasol is overated by lakers fans. i would say dirk he is unguarded by he cant guard anyone

Longhornfan1234
12-06-2011, 09:34 PM
Dwight


:facepalm:

FinsHeatPanthrs
12-06-2011, 09:34 PM
Andrew Bynum. His reputation has been greatly elevated purely because of his potential and, in particular, Jim Buss's expectations of what he CAN be.

nyanks79
12-06-2011, 09:36 PM
It happens daily in sports last year. People go from underrated to overrated in a matter of 3 days. Prime example is Kendrick Perkins, who IMO is probably the most overrated player.

thekmp211
12-06-2011, 09:38 PM
right now i'll go with tyson chandler. he's an excellent defender but on the wrong team he is far too much of a liability on offense. very solid, but i think he was in a perfect situation in dallas where he could highlight his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 09:38 PM
Rose,Andrew Bynum,Noah,Deng,Tyson Chandler,Nene,Melo,Amare,Rondo,Boozer.

GhostfaceDrilla
12-06-2011, 09:41 PM
Carmelo Anthony. Of course Knicks fans think he is better than Michael Jordan but just overall.

8 years in the playoffs, 7 first round exits.
Swept 4 times.
Shoots 42% from the field in his playoff career.
No defense and at times is a chucker.

Hitman21
12-06-2011, 09:42 PM
Bynum

Kyben36
12-06-2011, 09:43 PM
Durrant, Bosh ( good, but not considered a big 3) Bynum ( I remember laker fans saying he was going to be better than Shaq, lol), Joe Johnson, Josh smith, Al horford ( though he is ma utilized.) Boozer, RONDO ( on the offensive end, defensivly is is legit )

BullsFan_1
12-06-2011, 09:50 PM
edit

Hustlenomics
12-06-2011, 09:50 PM
Rajon Rondo... dude would be garbage if he wasn't surrounded by great talent

he's been surrounded with declining players so is he garbage now?

ManRam
12-06-2011, 09:51 PM
cool! I can throw names out there and not explain why too!

derrick rose.

that was fun!

iggypop123
12-06-2011, 09:52 PM
kendrick perkins. minus the stone hands he is kwame brown.

ManRam
12-06-2011, 09:53 PM
Seriously though...how we rate players is so fickle that players just ride the roller coaster over "ratedness". I think a lot of people here have a poor perception of how a player is actually rated by the population, and to determine ratedness, that matters.

Rose is both underrated and overrated...it depends on who is doing the rating. A lot of his fans overrated him immensely last year, and a lot of his "haters" underrated him immensely.

LeBron James fits in the same class. Kobe always has. Etc...

Superstars often aren't really ever over or underrated. It's the role players/lesser stars that are.

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 09:54 PM
Durrant, Bosh ( good, but not considered a big 3) Bynum ( I remember laker fans saying he was going to be better than Shaq, lol), Joe Johnson, Josh smith, Al horford ( though he is ma utilized.) Boozer, RONDO ( on the offensive end, defensivly is is legit )

He is underrated if something... A guy who averageed 24/11 as the man.

GhostfaceDrilla
12-06-2011, 09:57 PM
He is underrated if something... A guy who averageed 24/11 as the man.

And has like 8 career playoff games before teaming up with 2 superstars.

Wade>You
12-06-2011, 09:57 PM
ManRam: I explained why it's Rose (IMO). Tough to counter-argue a guy winning MVP so early in his career with the stats and little success he's had in the league. Especially when you consider how long it took other guys, far far far far .... far more greater than Rose, to win the MVP.

chicago lulz
12-06-2011, 09:58 PM
Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, Amare Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, Dirk Nowitzki, Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant.

And any other top tier player I'm forgetting.

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 09:58 PM
a 20-15 player who went for 40+% from 3, and was a better FT shooter than Bryant is overrated? When is he basically considered a top 20 player? Interesting...

As for big names, Kobe, Rondo, and Melo fit the bill. Kobe is no longer a top 2-3 player, Rondo has shown that he is a very good passer, and a good defender, but nobody knows what he will look like with the blanket of scorers peeled away, and Melo is fringe top 10 being talked about like he is in Dwight/Dirk/LeBron/Wade range.

ManRam
12-06-2011, 09:59 PM
ManRam: I explained why it's Rose (IMO). Tough to counter-argue a guy winning MVP so early in his career with the stats and little success he's had in the league. Especially when you consider how long it took other guys, far far far far .... far more greater than Rose, to win the MVP.

Well, considering the MVP award doesn't go to the best player in the league, I don't think that matters. He had an MVP year, but he wasn't the best player, and 99.9% of the world gets that.

Bulls_fan90
12-06-2011, 09:59 PM
Most big name players are overrated.

My vote is for Chris Bosh.

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 10:00 PM
Speaking of Kevin Love I heard he lost like 25lbs, I wonder if that will help his game

Despite my personal requests, you have never given me your evaluation of Love. I am interested to read it, if you care to spend the time.

The Flash
12-06-2011, 10:00 PM
Rose

seikou8
12-06-2011, 10:03 PM
Carmelo Anthony. Of course Knicks fans think he is better than Michael Jordan but just overall.

8 years in the playoffs, 7 first round exits.
Swept 4 times.
Shoots 42% from the field in his playoff career.
No defense and at times is a chucker.

dirk won iunderstand and respect that but come how many seasons did it take him to win and dirk doesnt play great defense ether he need tyson chander to win

chicago lulz
12-06-2011, 10:04 PM
Over and under for how many more post it takes before this turns into a Bulls vs Heat thread.....


Also, I don't see how Kevin Love is overrated.

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 10:04 PM
And has like 8 career playoff games before teaming up with 2 superstars.

just like Pau Gasol. He didnt win **** before he became a Laker. Is he overrated as well? :facepalm:

ManRam
12-06-2011, 10:05 PM
Most big name players are overrated.

So not just LeBron anymore? ;)


I agree with the Rondo choice...I think he got a bit overrated in the past, but I think, again, his ratedness is finally leveling out. Great PG, far from the best, and probably far from elite.

Melo went from underrated to overrated pretty quickly. I did think he flew under the radar in his middle years in Denver...and now that he's on the Knicks he's obviously the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Perk's ratedness went to overrated overnight with that trade. That happens a lot it seems...a player switches teams and people perspectives change.

jewno
12-06-2011, 10:05 PM
people have been saying melo is overatted for so long that hes starting to become slightly underatted hahaha. anyways my vote is joakim noah,i know it means nothing but how does he have a better rating than bosh in nba2k12

goldenstater
12-06-2011, 10:05 PM
Bynum and Boozer.

GhostfaceDrilla
12-06-2011, 10:05 PM
just like Pau Gasol. He didnt win **** before he became a Laker. Is he overrated as well? :facepalm:

He played in the West with Los Angeles, Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio, Portland, and Sacramento.

Bosh played in the East where a team could go 40-42 and be a 5th or 6th seed.

Geargo Wallace
12-06-2011, 10:06 PM
Rose.

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 10:07 PM
2k12's rating for Bosh was just a slap to the face. he's rated at 80. he deseveres at leas 86 imho.

Bulls_fan90
12-06-2011, 10:08 PM
So not just LeBron anymore? ;)


I agree with the Rondo choice...I think he got a bit overrated in the past, but I think, again, his ratedness is finally leveling out. Great PG, far from the best, and probably far from elite.

Melo went from underrated to overrated pretty quickly. I did think he flew under the radar in his middle years in Denver...and now that he's on the Knicks he's obviously the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Perk's ratedness went to overrated overnight with that trade. That happens a lot it seems...a player switches teams and people perspectives change.

Nope. Just Chris Bosh. ;)

chicago lulz
12-06-2011, 10:08 PM
people have been saying melo is overatted for so long that hes starting to become slightly underatted hahaha. anyways my vote is joakim noah,i know it means nothing but how does he have a better rating than bosh in nba2k12

It means nothing. It's nba2k12. Where you can get a star player for scrubs, etc.

Wade>You
12-06-2011, 10:10 PM
Well, considering the MVP award doesn't go to the best player in the league, I don't think that matters. He had an MVP year, but he wasn't the best player, and 99.9% of the world gets that.Back in the days, it used to. And that's around the time when the MVP actually meant something.

Gators123
12-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Rose and Melo

BALLER R
12-06-2011, 10:11 PM
LEBRON...and yes you can call me an idiot but for the past 5+ years everyone been waiting for him to win a ring. he keep letting people down but yet every time they always have an excuse for him.

dnewguy
12-06-2011, 10:12 PM
Rose is pretty overrated.

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 10:14 PM
Nope. Just Chris Bosh. ;)

lol look at ur team- Noah Rose Deng and Boozer are all overrated not to mention how Bulls fans also overrate Asik and Gibson. gtfo

GhostfaceDrilla
12-06-2011, 10:15 PM
lol look at ur team- Noah Rose Deng and Boozer are all overrated not to mention how Bulls fans also overrate Asik and Gibson. gtfo

How is Deng overrated?

Bulls_fan90
12-06-2011, 10:17 PM
lol look at ur team- Noah Rose Deng and Boozer are all overrated not to mention how Bulls fans also overrate Asik and Gibson. gtfo

You sound mad. And I'm not talking about fans on PSD, I'm talking about the media. Big three?? Lol get real.

jewno
12-06-2011, 10:19 PM
LEBRON...and yes you can call me an idiot but for the past 5+ years everyone been waiting for him to win a ring. he keep letting people down but yet every time they always have an excuse for him.

how is it logically possible for the best player in the world to be considered overatted.

TheKnight
12-06-2011, 10:19 PM
Derrick Rose - He shots over 100 shots a game yes he's going to score a lot of points doing that. He is a good driver thats it. Can lead a team as well. But over hyped.

Slimsim
12-06-2011, 10:19 PM
Amare isn't overrated

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 10:19 PM
Kobe
Rondo
Melo

My list in order.

GhostfaceDrilla
12-06-2011, 10:20 PM
Kobe
Rondo
Melo

My list in order.

Explain Kobe?

PhillyOwnsAll
12-06-2011, 10:21 PM
Andre Iguodala hands down. No contest... I watch this guy game in and game out and he swears he can score. TERRIBLE

Lakers + Giants
12-06-2011, 10:22 PM
Everybody on the lakers. Kobe is old and can't defend, Gasol can't win without the lakers, Bynum can't play 50 games. There, i summed up PSD's thoughts.

Slimsim
12-06-2011, 10:23 PM
It's sadThese thread never end well. Bulls fans call lebron overrated. Heat fans call Rose overrated, Everyone else call Melo overrated. Knicks fans get pissed and defend Melo and then overrate him. Then Knicks fan pick on NJ fans out of frustration. PSD NBA forum isn't mature enough for these type of threads IMO.

In before the Lock

Evolution23
12-06-2011, 10:24 PM
Kevin Love and Blake Griffin. Haven't done **** yet and all these homers come out and claim them to be better than the vets.

Nyc4You
12-06-2011, 10:26 PM
lol look at ur team- Noah Rose Deng and Boozer are all overrated not to mention how Bulls fans also overrate Asik and Gibson. gtfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BL0BcoMJ7o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSffbBK7uY&feature=related

U mad bruh?:cool:

Badluck33
12-06-2011, 10:27 PM
Rondo is most over-rated player in NBA followed by Kevin Love.

meloman1592
12-06-2011, 10:28 PM
Anyone on the knicks or rumored to be going to the knicks or who has ever been on the knicks. Cp3 is overrated until he signs with a team not named the knicks, then he'll be the best pg in the nba again

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 10:28 PM
how is it logically possible for the best player in the world to be considered overatted.

this

meloman1592
12-06-2011, 10:32 PM
It's sadThese thread never end well. Bulls fans call lebron overrated. Heat fans call Rose overrated, Everyone else call Melo overrated. Knicks fans get pissed and defend Melo and then overrate him. Then Knicks fan pick on NJ fans out of frustration. PSD NBA forum isn't mature enough for these type of threads IMO.

In before the Lock

This is the realest post i've ever read. Great post

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 10:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BL0BcoMJ7o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSffbBK7uY&feature=related

U mad bruh?:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kB8xYDhifM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS3IFZqb2Tg

Nah I think U are.

chicago lulz
12-06-2011, 10:34 PM
It's sadThese thread never end well. Bulls fans call lebron overrated. Heat fans call Rose overrated, Everyone else call Melo overrated. Knicks fans get pissed and defend Melo and then overrate him. Then Knicks fan pick on NJ fans out of frustration. PSD NBA forum isn't mature enough for these type of threads IMO.

In before the Lock

Haha, this is a good assessment of the "chain of screaming". Although, I don't think I noticed any Bulls fans call Lebron overrated yet. Saw a whole lot of Heat fans ready to jump on the Rose is overrated comment though.

So continuing the chain of screaming...

Lebron is indeed overrated. "Not 1, not 2, not 3...."

I'm only kidding Heat fans, before you guys berate me with insults and how overrated Derrick Rose and the Bulls are.

Shareeb_omac2
12-06-2011, 10:39 PM
Derrick Rose.

I'm a Mavs fan and have no reason to "hate" on him. It's an honest opinion. Would I like him to play for my team? Yes. But, he should not have been MVP last season.

ManRam
12-06-2011, 10:41 PM
It's sadThese thread never end well. Bulls fans call lebron overrated. Heat fans call Rose overrated, Everyone else call Melo overrated. Knicks fans get pissed and defend Melo and then overrate him. Then Knicks fan pick on NJ fans out of frustration. PSD NBA forum isn't mature enough for these type of threads IMO.

In before the Lock

Pretty much it. But don't act like Melo gets all the hate ;)...I'd say just as many dish it at LeBron and Rose, and it's definitely more than JUST Bulls fans and Heat fans respectively dishing that hate.

But yeah, that's how PSD works...

MeLaPelan!
12-06-2011, 10:50 PM
Brook Lopez...Noah is a close second.

Chronz
12-06-2011, 10:51 PM
To me;

Rose
Melo
Amare

AP=MVP
12-06-2011, 10:55 PM
Somebody explain how the hell Kevin Love is overrated.

Chronz
12-06-2011, 10:55 PM
Well, considering the MVP award doesn't go to the best player in the league, I don't think that matters. He had an MVP year, but he wasn't the best player, and 99.9% of the world gets that.

I know the criteria, he still stole the award. That makes him overrated in my book.

Melo is tops tho, he was recently voted #2 offensive player in the game despite being a chucker with mediocre playmaking skills.

People love to speak of his skill/versatility, neglecting to mention that regardless of the shot he comes up with, its going to result in a low% look. Even his post game (something his fans cant stop raving about) results in sub 40% shots. Why do I care if Melo can shoot with his eyes closed if its not a good shot?

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 10:55 PM
Explain Kobe?

Sure. He is still viewed as a top 5 player by so many in the media, and amongst the fans. He is clearly a GREAT player, but he is in his decline, as many examples have shown, especially the fact that his at the rims shot attempts have nearly died. He is a great player, but he it outside the top 5 players for sure, and yet still gets all-NBA honors and all-Defensive team honors, despite obviously not deserving them.

RevisIsland
12-06-2011, 10:56 PM
I've yet to see where the Andrew Bynum hype comes from. All I see with him is an above average defender who plays 50 games a year and has a temper problem. Tell me why that's worth Dwight Howard? If I'm Orlando I'm jumping on a potential Chicago package, a very real New Jersey package, and try to rope Golden State, the Clippers and maybe another team into this thing before taking bynum

Chronz
12-06-2011, 10:59 PM
This is not a shot at Nene cause he's probably gone and for the record, I've been saying this for many years now, but Nene.

He's a nice #3-4 guy imo, but is far from a star player.

This is exactly why hes underrated, you can be a 2nd option or whatever option on offense and still be the teams best player.

I have more respect for people who hate on legitimately poor aspects of his game like his lack of rebounding and rim protection. But offensively, the dude is the most efficient player in the game. He doesnt need to take a bunch of shots to score alot of points, there is alot of value in that even if you cant see it.

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 10:59 PM
Love is rated as a top 20 player. His second best teammate is probably rated as a top 100 player. How the hell is Love overrated? He had zip talent around him last year. Potential? Sure. But potential should never be confused with talent or results.

Chronz
12-06-2011, 11:00 PM
I've yet to see where the Andrew Bynum hype comes from. All I see with him is an above average defender who plays 50 a year and has a temper problem. Tell me why that's worth Dwight Howard? If I'm Orlando I'm jumping on a potential Chicago package, a very real New Jersey package, and try to rope Golden State, the Clippers and maybe another team into this thing before taking bynum

It comes from his ELITE (not above average) defense and All-Star production whilst on the floor.

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 11:00 PM
This is exactly why hes underrated, you can be a 2nd option or whatever option on offense and still be the teams best player.

I have more respect for people who hate on legitimately poor aspects of his game like his lack of rebounding and rim protection. But offensively, the dude is the most efficient player in the game. He doesnt need to take a bunch of shots to score alot of points, there is alot of value in that even if you cant see it.

more than Love?

ChitownSports16
12-06-2011, 11:06 PM
IMO......

Griffin (to dam much ATT. For just his dunks)
Rondo (will feel sorry for him when he doesn't have the shooters he has now)
Bosh ( like KD said "he's fake")
CP3 ( well overrated in this board... Give me melo over CP)

Chronz
12-06-2011, 11:07 PM
more than Love?

In that case 2nd most efficient but first among centers.

Chronz
12-06-2011, 11:09 PM
IMO......

Griffin (to dam much ATT. For just his dunks)
Not enough attention for his passing/playmaking/ballhandling/rebounding and intensity.


CP3 ( well overrated in this board... Give me melo over CP)

Exactly why Melo is overrated

don'tfireNedCo
12-06-2011, 11:09 PM
somebody posting in wrong thread?

btw by definition of the words over-rated and under-rated, this matter is a subjective issue depending on who is under and over rating each player, no? just found this thread to be a bit funny and this guy above posting hockey/football stuff just tops it all lmao.

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 11:10 PM
Eagles QB Michael Vick out vs. Patriots
Vick suffered a broken ribs injury in the Eagles' week ten loss to the Arizona Cardinals. Last week, the Eagles started back-up quarterback Vince Young in Vick's place.

And now due to the broken ribs, he not play against the New England Patriots (http://www.comjerseyscom.com/Sports-outdoors/Nfl-jerseys-Football-jersey-Jerseys-Wholesale/New-England-Patriots-Nfl-Jerseys/)because of broken ribs.

Vick misses his second straight game. Vince Young will instead of him. In a 17-10 victory over the New York Giants, Young tossed for 258 yards and two touchdowns, while throwing three interceptions. Young looked a bit hesitant and rusty early, going 8-18 and throwing two interceptions in the first half, but came on strong near the game's finish (15-18 and the game winning touchdown).

Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.comjerseyscom.com/Sports-outdoors/Nfl-jerseys-Football-jersey-Jerseys-Wholesale/Philadelphia-Eagles-Nfl-Jerseys/) will without Wide receiver Jeremy Maclin (hamstring) and cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (ankle) for Philadelphia (4-6).

While Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha who hurting his knee in practice , will start and being carted off the field.

For the New England Patriots (http://www.comjerseyscom.com/Sports-outdoors/Nfl-jerseys-Football-jersey-Jerseys-Wholesale/San-Diego-Charger-Nfl-Jerseys/) , there are also have three players inactive, they are cornerback Devin McCourty (shoulder), safety Patrick Chung (foot) and center Dan Connolly (groin).

Also Wide receiver Chad Ochocinco who hurt his hamstring is sidelined.

Wrong forum?

MeLaPelan!
12-06-2011, 11:10 PM
I've yet to see where the Andrew Bynum hype comes from. All I see with him is an above average defender who plays 50 games a year and has a temper problem. Tell me why that's worth Dwight Howard? If I'm Orlando I'm jumping on a potential Chicago package, a very real New Jersey package, and try to rope Golden State, the Clippers and maybe another team into this thing before taking bynum

And this is exactly where the Brook Lopez and Joakim Noah being overrated theory comes into play. Thanks for proving my point.

Slimsim
12-06-2011, 11:14 PM
Wade
Griffin
Durant
Bynum

PhillyFaninLA
12-06-2011, 11:14 PM
I think Nene is one of the most overrated at this point, I think Dirk became overrated after getting the title (he seemed to go from a top 100 player all time to top 10 in a lot of minds because of a piece of jewelry.

Special Mention I think Carmelo Anthony is the most overrated and underrated player in the league.

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 11:16 PM
I think Nene is one of the most overrated at this point, I think Dirk became overrated after getting the title (he seemed to go from a top 100 player all time to top 10 in a lot of minds because of a piece of jewelry.

Special Mention I think Carmelo Anthony is the most overrated and underrated player in the league.

meh, any knowledgeable fan had Dirk top 30 before his ring. He is now top 15-20.

VinceCarter
12-06-2011, 11:17 PM
Blake Griffin
Andrew Bynum

PhillyFaninLA
12-06-2011, 11:19 PM
meh, any knowledgeable fan had Dirk top 30 before his ring. He is now top 15-20.


If he was top 30 before he was top 30 after. You don't jump 15 spots all time because of jewelry. We know what he is the ring didn't change that. When tip off of the final game started and when it ended he did not get 15 all time spots better it not reasonable.

DLCK
12-06-2011, 11:20 PM
brook lopez.. ..

Bynum maybe a huge injury concern. But he out rebounds and blks lopez in fewer min. And shoots 60% compared to 50 for brook. Not to mention bynum was a 4th option most of the game.

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 11:21 PM
If he was top 30 before he was top 30 after. You don't jump 15 spots all time because of jewelry. We know what he is the ring didn't change that. When tip off of the final game started and when it ended he did not get 15 all time spots better it not reasonable.

oh trust me, I agree. I had him top 23 before the season started last year. I currently have him top 20. You don't just jump 10-50 spots for winning a ring.

Smaxor5
12-06-2011, 11:24 PM
Bynum /thread

69centers
12-06-2011, 11:25 PM
Steph Curry

Broadwayjoe NY
12-06-2011, 11:26 PM
The term overrated is subjective, thus an opinion. If you want to actually find an answer, you need to set parameters and create a poll to test said parameters; in the most broadest sense without defining overrated, ie. Who is the most overrated NBA player according to psd posters...

If you are going to get specific, you need to define what you mean by overrated and than discount anyone's opinion who's vote doesn't obide by the set parameters etc. It's just an impossible thing to ever get a firm handle on as it's an opinion and as an opinion, the term overrated is going to be slightly different for each person.

GhostfaceDrilla
12-06-2011, 11:28 PM
I think Nene is one of the most overrated at this point, I think Dirk became overrated after getting the title (he seemed to go from a top 100 player all time to top 10 in a lot of minds because of a piece of jewelry.

Special Mention I think Carmelo Anthony is the most overrated and underrated player in the league.

Top 100? WTF try top 25-30. He is now a top 20 player of all time and still has 3-4 years of "Dirk" play left.

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 11:29 PM
Wade
Griffin
Durant
Bynum

Explain please.

nickdymez
12-06-2011, 11:30 PM
a 20-15 player who went for 40+% from 3, and was a better FT shooter than Bryant is overrated? When is he basically considered a top 20 player? Interesting...

As for big names, Kobe, Rondo, and Melo fit the bill. Kobe is no longer a top 2-3 player, Rondo has shown that he is a very good passer, and a good defender, but nobody knows what he will look like with the blanket of scorers peeled away, and Melo is fringe top 10 being talked about like he is in Dwight/Dirk/LeBron/Wade range.

Your views on Kobe should mean nothing to anyone on this site. Or in real life.

Teeboy1487
12-06-2011, 11:30 PM
Dwayne Wade. I just don't think he is that skilled or fundamentally sound.

Twista
12-06-2011, 11:32 PM
Without even having read this thread, let me guess what people said: Derrick Rose is over rated and everyone else on the Bulls is over rated too. Lol. It's amazing we won 62 games last year when all our players apparently are over rated and suck so much. You'd think we were a 45 win team with the way some people choose to view us.

Bulls_fan90
12-06-2011, 11:32 PM
Yeah Wade is overrated.

DR_1
12-06-2011, 11:37 PM
Dwayne Wade

JEDean89
12-06-2011, 11:37 PM
d-rose, d-williams, and durant

nickdymez
12-06-2011, 11:38 PM
dwayne wade. I just don't think he is that skilled or fundamentally sound.

wow!

DLCK
12-06-2011, 11:38 PM
Top 100? WTF try top 25-30. He is now a top 20 player of all time and still has 3-4 years of "Dirk" play left.

ehhh Honestly..


i think he went from top 15 at pf and top 60 overall

to top 10 at pf and top 30 overall.. Funny what a championship does :rolleyes:

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 11:38 PM
I think most ppl would agree Rose is a lot more overrated than any1 in the NBA. Surely more than Wade. Not to mention Noah and Boozer lol

Twista
12-06-2011, 11:40 PM
Yeah the Heat would hate to have a guy who averages 11pts/11 rebounds at center. What an over rated scrub that player is

lavilevi23
12-06-2011, 11:41 PM
yea id hate to pay that guy like 12mil.^^ not to mention we get a 10/10 guy at PF off the bench for like 3mil.

bears88
12-06-2011, 11:42 PM
Derrick Rose is the most Overrated PG in the NBA period nobody can make an argument out of this statement :p

cbreezy34
12-06-2011, 11:42 PM
Kevin Love is overrated.... his stats are incredible but he isn't the type to make hes team better... which if your considered a top 20 player you should be able to do. Carmelo Anthony is starting to become overrated in my opinon. He has a poor shot selection and horrid defense. He needs the perfect cast of defensive players around him to be fully effective imo.

Twista
12-06-2011, 11:43 PM
yea id hate to pay that guy like 12mil.^^ not to mention we get a 10/10 guy at PF off the bench for like 3mil.

do you actually realize what kind of average salary centers pull in in the NBA? 12 million is great for a guy at C who averages 11/11. Get a clue.

DR_1
12-06-2011, 11:45 PM
I think most ppl would agree Rose is a lot more overrated than any1 in the NBA. Surely more than Wade. Not to mention Noah and Boozer lol

:facepalm:

futureman
12-06-2011, 11:50 PM
Andrew Bynum and Tyson Chandler

Mudvayne91
12-06-2011, 11:53 PM
This is exactly why hes underrated, you can be a 2nd option or whatever option on offense and still be the teams best player.

I have more respect for people who hate on legitimately poor aspects of his game like his lack of rebounding and rim protection. But offensively, the dude is the most efficient player in the game. He doesnt need to take a bunch of shots to score alot of points, there is alot of value in that even if you cant see it.

I guess it depends on where folks see him valued. Every player being named in this thread has a lot of value. If you consider him as a nice role player, than he's not overrated. However, paying the guy like 14 million for what he's going to demand makes him far overrated imo. He does make high percentage shots, true. However, he disappears in games, he's never been the best player on the Nuggets, he can be construed as lazy, has missed plenty of games do sickness and injuries etc. Trust me, I've seen him since he's been drafted. He has the tools to be a top C/PF, but he's not. Because someone makes high percentage shots and is a big body doesn't make him underrated. 12 and 7 for his career doesn't warrant 14 million a year.

jaysnraptors44
12-06-2011, 11:53 PM
Derek rose

Hawkeye15
12-06-2011, 11:57 PM
Your views on Kobe should mean nothing to anyone on this site. Or in real life.

Why? Because I can rationally put his career into perspective, and not beg for a bead of his sweat to land on my child?

quade36
12-07-2011, 12:00 AM
I think most ppl would agree Rose is a lot more overrated than any1 in the NBA. Surely more than Wade. Not to mention Noah and Boozer lol

Dude I have never heard anything so wrong in my life. Everyone knows Keith Bogans is the most overrated player in the NBA. Here is a list of the top 10 overrated players.

1. Keith Bogans
2. CJ Watson
3. Ronnie Brewer
4. Omer Asik
5. Brian Scalabrine
6. Taj Gibson
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Luol Deng
9. Kyle Korver
10. Derrick Rose

And of course the most overrated coach, Tom Tibedeau.

Honestly, every one of these players extremely overrated. Again especially Keith Bogans..

:facepalm::

Btw the most underrated player in the NBA, by far Lebron James. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Hawkeye15
12-07-2011, 12:01 AM
Dude I have never heard anything so wrong in my life. Everyone knows Keith Bogans is the most overrated player in the NBA. Here is a list of the top 12 overrated players.

1. Keith Bogans
2. CJ Watson
3. Ronnie Brewer
4. Omer Asik
5. Brian Scalabrine
6. Taj Gibson
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Luol Deng
9. Kyle Korver
10. Derrick Rose

And of course the most overrated coach, Tom Tibedeau.

Honestly, every one of these players extremely overrated. Again especially Keith Bogans..

:facepalm::

Btw the most underrated player in the NBA, by far Lebron James. He doesn't get the credit he deserves. Second most underrated player, Dwayne Wade. Third, you guessed it, Chris Bosh. Obviously these are the three greatest players of all time...

While I am not saying DRose is overrated, that lineup/coach you listed, are the best defense and depth of any roster in the NBA.

TylerSL
12-07-2011, 12:01 AM
no particular order. Note, just because somebody is overrated doesnt mean they are not really good. They are overrated because they are hyped as like top 3 when they are really like the 8th or 9th best player in the league. Yes, I am talking about Kobe

Rondo, Griffin, Kobe (as said above), Melo, Noah, and Bynum.

lavilevi23
12-07-2011, 12:02 AM
Dude I have never heard anything so wrong in my life. Everyone knows Keith Bogans is the most overrated player in the NBA. Here is a list of the top 10 overrated players.

1. Keith Bogans
2. CJ Watson
3. Ronnie Brewer
4. Omer Asik
5. Brian Scalabrine
6. Taj Gibson
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Luol Deng
9. Kyle Korver
10. Derrick Rose

And of course the most overrated coach, Tom Tibedeau.

Honestly, every one of these players extremely overrated. Again especially Keith Bogans..

:facepalm::

Btw the most underrated player in the NBA, by far Lebron James. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.



:cry:

Hustlenomics
12-07-2011, 12:04 AM
kevin love
Derrick Rose

TylerSL
12-07-2011, 12:06 AM
@ the people picking Wade, Lebron, CP3, D-Will, and Love. You look like fools.

billy17
12-07-2011, 12:06 AM
Kevin Love is overrated.... his stats are incredible but he isn't the type to make hes team better... which if your considered a top 20 player you should be able to do. Carmelo Anthony is starting to become overrated in my opinon. He has a poor shot selection and horrid defense. He needs the perfect cast of defensive players around him to be fully effective imo.

Couldnt disagree more. Who is overrating him? I hardly hear anything about him, aside from the occasional 30 and 30 game, which isnt really too impressive right? Pretty run of the mill..

Twista
12-07-2011, 12:11 AM
lol 30/30 is overrated this forum is awesome

chicago lulz
12-07-2011, 12:11 AM
Dude I have never heard anything so wrong in my life. Everyone knows Keith Bogans is the most overrated player in the NBA. Here is a list of the top 10 overrated players.

1. Keith Bogans
2. CJ Watson
3. Ronnie Brewer
4. Omer Asik
5. Brian Scalabrine
6. Taj Gibson
7. Carlos Boozer
8. Luol Deng
9. Kyle Korver
10. Derrick Rose

And of course the most overrated coach, Tom Tibedeau.

Honestly, every one of these players extremely overrated. Again especially Keith Bogans..

:facepalm::

Btw the most underrated player in the NBA, by far Lebron James. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.
Sorry man, but Scalabrine should be #1 on that overrated list. Dude was supposed to come in and win us a championship. Ends up ditching us to play overseas!

Kashmir13579
12-07-2011, 12:18 AM
for me its the scoring clones, Westbrook and Rose.

billy17
12-07-2011, 12:20 AM
lol 30/30 is overrated this forum is awesome

Sense the sarcasm homie, and read through the entire post before you comment on it

Kashmir13579
12-07-2011, 12:20 AM
Kevin Love is underrated in my opinion. Not many PFs can help spread the floor on offense the way he can. Let alone the rebounding.

effen5
12-07-2011, 12:22 AM
Melo

TylerSL
12-07-2011, 12:23 AM
for me its the scoring clones, Westbrook and Rose.

haha I forgot them, thanks.

For me, its (in no order) Rondo, Griffin, Kobe, Melo, Noah, Bynum, Westbrook, and Rose.

The_Jamal
12-07-2011, 12:23 AM
Blake Griffin by far.

Jay
12-07-2011, 12:25 AM
I'd say Melo by a fair margin. But that's just my personal opinion.

Twista
12-07-2011, 12:26 AM
I don't know why people think Westbrook/Rose are clones. Their playing styles are totally different to me. Just because they're both young talented quick PGs people think they're clones?

billy17
12-07-2011, 12:27 AM
Close this thread

Everyones just saying that no NBA player is as good as we make them out to be. Its just a bunch of people defending their teams' players. Give it up. Theres better things to discuss

Twista
12-07-2011, 12:31 AM
every thread is like that in this forum

DaBUU
12-07-2011, 12:31 AM
Brook Lopez

D1JM
12-07-2011, 12:37 AM
the bandwagon fans of south florida

lavilevi23
12-07-2011, 12:38 AM
The homer fans of the windy city.

Tmath
12-07-2011, 12:38 AM
Blake Griffin

Twista
12-07-2011, 12:39 AM
catfight reowr

D1JM
12-07-2011, 12:40 AM
also i dont get how kevin love is overrated. it's not his fault the twolves have been rebuilding since KG left.

NYKnicks4511
12-07-2011, 12:49 AM
According to my calculations, considering the gravitational pull is -9.8 (and since the wind chill is non-existant tonight), Kevin Durant is overrated.

adidas2307
12-07-2011, 12:51 AM
haha I forgot them, thanks.

For me, its (in no order) Rondo, Griffin, Kobe, Melo, Noah, Bynum, Westbrook, and Rose.

I don't understand what happened with your bandwagoning. You're a Patriots fan and a HEAT fan but yet you're a Cubs fan? What's wrong? Is your *** sore from riding so much wagon before?

samus
12-07-2011, 12:53 AM
I dont think derrick rose is overrated, but to say hes the best player (MVP) or even in the top 3 players in the league is over-rating him, however I reckon he is on his way, subtle improvements to his game will get him there!

I would say Chris Bosh was over-rated, not as much anymore though, I think any "alright" player can seem a superstar on the Toronto Raptors

Chronz
12-07-2011, 12:57 AM
I guess it depends on where folks see him valued. Every player being named in this thread has a lot of value.
True, depends on who youve been talking to but also what you think of the player. Im guessing your underrating him.


If you consider him as a nice role player, than he's not overrated. However, paying the guy like 14 million for what he's going to demand makes him far overrated imo.
Overpaid is different than being overrated in my book, I dont know what he commands, that is dependent on market value as much as individual skill. Focusing solely on his talent and production, Nene is much more than a nice role player.


He does make high percentage shots, true. However, he disappears in , he's never been the best player on the Nuggets, he can be construed as lazy, has missed plenty of games do sickness and injuries etc. Trust me, I've seen him since he's been drafted. He has the tools to be a top C/PF, but he's not.
He disappears in what? He was their best player last year once Melo was gone. What makes him lazy? As for injuries/sickness, what does him getting cancer have to do with anything? His knee injuries impact his longevity but we are talking about his talent as of now.


Because someone makes high percentage shots and is a big body doesn't make him underrated. 12 and 7 for his career doesn't warrant 14 million a year.
Forgive me if I pay no attention to your outdated stats, anyone whos statistical analysis consists of 2 #'s has no say on what any player is worth.

adidas2307
12-07-2011, 12:57 AM
As far as this thread goes, Melo is the most overrated in my book.

And for the Bulls fans saying Wade is not a top 5 player in the NBA..come on now. You're all better than that, so don't stoop down to the level of others. Especially not to the level of lavilevi23. You would think he was molested by every Bull seeing how much hate he has for each one.

Chronz
12-07-2011, 12:59 AM
Kevin Love is overrated.... his stats are incredible but he isn't the type to make hes team better... which if your considered a top 20 player you should be able to do. Carmelo Anthony is starting to become overrated in my opinon. He has a poor shot selection and horrid defense. He needs the perfect cast of defensive players around him to be fully effective imo.

What makes you think he isnt the type to make his team better?

lavilevi23
12-07-2011, 01:06 AM
As far as this thread goes, Melo is the most overrated in my book.

And for the Bulls fans saying Wade is not a top 5 player in the NBA..come on now. You're all better than that, so don't stoop down to the level of others. Especially not to the level of lavilevi23. You would think he was molested by every Bull seeing how much hate he has for each one.

I dont have hate for any1 I'm just coming out and defending my team. ppl saying that a top 3 NBA player is overrated..? thats just plain stupid

adidas2307
12-07-2011, 01:07 AM
I dont have hate for any1 I'm just coming out and defending my team. ppl saying that a top 3 NBA player is overrated..? thats just plain stupid

Saying Noah and Deng are overrated in every single post you make is not defending your team.

pd1dish
12-07-2011, 01:07 AM
Who are these massive Knick haters all you Knick homers keep speaking of?

haha i know. no one is afraid of the Knicks so what is there to hate?

lavilevi23
12-07-2011, 01:10 AM
Saying Noah and Deng are overrated in every single post you make is not defending your team.

At least my opinion makes some sense. Saying Dwayne Wade is overrated is absurd when in fact he is the best player at his position and a top 3 player overall.

samus
12-07-2011, 01:12 AM
Saying Noah and Deng are overrated in every single post you make is not defending your team.

Noah and Deng aren't stars, anyone who says they are ARE overrating them.
How

samus
12-07-2011, 01:14 AM
Saying Noah and Deng are overrated in every single post you make is not defending your team.


At least my opinion makes some sense. Saying Dwayne Wade is overrated is absurd when in fact he is the best player at his position and a top 3 player overall.

Compared to Lebron and Kobe, Dwyane Wade is severely under-rated.

Dolfan305
12-07-2011, 01:16 AM
Any player could be over/underrated pending on who you talk to. Some players are so "overrated" that they are underrated (Chris Bosh). Some are so "underrated" that they are overrated.

Corey
12-07-2011, 01:16 AM
Rondo's overrated by quite a few Celtics fans.

adidas2307
12-07-2011, 01:17 AM
At least my opinion makes some sense. Saying Dwayne Wade is overrated is absurd when in fact he is the best player at his position and a top 3 player overall.

Oh! Your opinion makes some sense, but you can disregard everyone else's because they called out a player on your team whose name you can't even spell correctly. No one is saying Deng and Noah are spectacular but they're great defenders vital to the success of the team.

Edit: And didn't you see what I wrote before? I said any Bulls fans not putting Wade in the top 5 are wrong.

lavilevi23
12-07-2011, 01:24 AM
Dwyane Wade is known to be underrated throughout his entire career.
For example in the 2009 season he averaged - 30.2 ppg 7.5 ast 5 rbs 2.2 stls 1.3blks all that while shooting near 50% from the floor and he didnt get consideration for the MVP.
Now tell me how a guy who got far worse numbers in any category except for APG gets the MVP? thats whats fcked up with the MVP award voting. they dont give it to the best player in the league but to the best player on the team with the best record.

GiantsSwaGG
12-07-2011, 01:28 AM
Lbj

Dolfan305
12-07-2011, 01:29 AM
Lbj

lmao

adidas2307
12-07-2011, 01:30 AM
Dwayne Wade is known to be underrated throughout his entire career.
For example in the 2009 season he averaged - 30.2 ppg 7.5 ast 5 rbs 2.2 stls 1.3blks all that while shooting near 50% from the floor and he didnt get consideration for the MVP.
Now tell me how a guy who got far worse numbers in any category except for APG gets the MVP? thats whats fcked up with the MVP award voting. they dont give it to the best player in the league but to the best player on the team with the best record.

And who did he lose to? LeBron James. LeBron had more overall win shares, more defensive win shares, more offensive win shares, and a better TS%. Wade had one hell of a season, but LeBron was the Most Valuable Player that year.

You can't compare 2009 Wade stats to 2011 Rose stats to justify why Rose shouldn't have won MVP.

naps
12-07-2011, 01:52 AM
Nene at this moment. He is a mediocre player but this free agency made him supremely overrated.

Gram
12-07-2011, 01:54 AM
He is underrated if something... A guy who averageed 24/11 as the man.

Lol you're the guy who had on his list, Bulls, Knicks, Celtics and Chandler. For all that hating, someone should be allowed to call Bosh over rated. ;)

JohnBoy326
12-07-2011, 01:56 AM
Rose,Andrew Bynum,Noah,Deng,Tyson Chandler,Nene,Melo,Amare,Rondo,Boozer.

LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Mike Miller

They didn't win a ring, OVERRATED.

Gram
12-07-2011, 01:58 AM
lol look at ur team- Noah Rose Deng and Boozer are all overrated not to mention how Bulls fans also overrate Asik and Gibson. gtfo

Wow I find this guy hating some more lol. Boozer, Rose and Noah I'll agree with you on. Both Deng and Gibson are under rated. Just cuz they're not on Miami or a Bull doesn't make them over rated. ;)

Gram
12-07-2011, 02:00 AM
this

Had LeBron not signed with Miami you'd say Wade is the best player in the world.

LA_Raiders
12-07-2011, 02:04 AM
Bosh

bbcmillionaire
12-07-2011, 02:38 AM
Lol damn just taking jabs at your least favorite team

Chronz
12-07-2011, 02:40 AM
Dwyane Wade is known to be underrated throughout his entire career.
For example in the 2009 season he averaged - 30.2 ppg 7.5 ast 5 rbs 2.2 stls 1.3blks all that while shooting near 50% from the floor and he didnt get consideration for the MVP.
Now tell me how a guy who got far worse numbers in any category except for APG gets the MVP? thats whats fcked up with the MVP award voting. they dont give it to the best player in the league but to the best player on the team with the best record.

Bron had slightly better #'s while being a better defender.

Mudvayne91
12-07-2011, 02:41 AM
True, depends on who youve been talking to but also what you think of the player. Im guessing your underrating him.

I'm just calling it as I've seen him through his career. He's not a franchise player, he's not even a second option guy. He's comparable to an Andrew Bynum type player imo. I find it somewhat shocking that he's considered the prize as the FA this year for what he's accomplished in the 9 years in the NBA.


Overpaid is different than being overrated in my book, I dont know what he commands, that is dependent on market value as much as individual skill. Focusing solely on his talent and production, Nene is much more than a nice role player.

As I've said, I've been watching him throughout his career. I know he's very talented. For as much potential (or talent), the production isn't near where it should be imo. I truly believe with his skill set, he could've developed into a top big man. We're not talking about a player in his early 20's anymore though. He's in his 10th year now. I think he's pretty much hit is plateau of what he's going to be. A solid starting big man.


He disappears in what? He was their best player last year once Melo was gone. What makes him lazy? As for injuries/sickness, what does him getting cancer have to do with anything? His knee injuries impact his longevity but we are talking about his talent as of now.
He disappears in games. He'll start out very hot. Commands the ball, scores effectively and will rebound like a beast. All in roughly a quarter span and then you'll hear nothing from him the rest of the game. And I think a lot of Nugs fans will tell you Lawson and AAA were more valuable to this team. He did have a solid season though, no question. However, I still believe he's still the 3rd best option on the team. As far as being lazy, this isn't something I coined myself. This has followed him his whole career in Denver. I guess the majority of where the criticism came from was you'll see him not putting the effort to box out, he won't go after rebounds and has often refused to run down court, which is a staple of the Nuggets offense. Again, I think he's very talented. That's not the issue. It's the production. Besides his shooting percentage, he's virtually middle of the pack - a little above average compared to the big men in the NBA.


Forgive me if I pay no attention to your outdated stats, anyone whos statistical analysis consists of 2 #'s has no say on what any player is worth. I never proclaimed rebounds and points to be the only thing that makes a big man. I do feel they do show an indication of how a player has done though. If I'm not mistaken, your only stat you've hung your hat on was his shooting percentage, which was impressive. However, when you are taking 6-8 shots a game, it's not as impactful as you might think.

Ares
12-07-2011, 02:44 AM
Carmelo Anthony. Of course Knicks fans think he is better than Michael Jordan but just overall.

8 years in the playoffs, 7 first round exits.
Swept 4 times.
Shoots 42% from the field in his playoff career.
No defense and at times is a chucker.

Sounds like Dirk.

Chronz
12-07-2011, 02:55 AM
I'm just calling it as I've seen him through his career. He's not a franchise player, he's not even a second option guy. He's comparable to an Andrew Bynum type player imo. I find it somewhat shocking that he's considered the prize as the FA this year for what he's accomplished in the 9 years in the NBA.
See now your overrating Nene, but since I think your underrating him overall I can only deduce that your underrating both centers.



As I've said, I've been watching him throughout his career. I know he's very talented. For as much potential (or talent), the production isn't near where it should be imo. I truly believe with his skill set, he could've developed into a top big man. We're not talking about a player in his early 20's anymore though. He's in his 10th year now. I think he's pretty much hit is plateau of what he's going to be.

We are in agreement there. Hes always been an enigma for someone who seems so athletic in some aspect but not in others. Mostly defensively and on the boards. This doesnt change my opinion of him in the league because he has advantages that most centers dont offensively. Every player has flaws and lots of players underachieve, this isnt the same as being overrated.


He disappears in . He'll start out very hot. Commands the ball, scores effectively and will rebound like a beast. All in roughly a quarter span and then you'll hear nothing from him the rest of the game.
Gotya, the #'s back you


And I think a lot of Nugs fans will tell you Lawson and AAA were more valuable to this team. He did have a solid season though, no question. However, I still believe his still the 3rd best option on the team. As far as being lazy, this isn't something I coined myself. This has followed him his whole career in Denver. I guess the majority of where the criticism came from was you'll see him not putting the effort to box out, he won't go after rebounds and has often refused to run down court, which is a staple of the Nuggets offense. Again, I think he's very talented. That's not the issue. It's the production. Besides his shooting percentage, he's virtually middle of the pack - a little above average compared to the big men in the NBA.

I really only know 1 Nuggs fan, if you can get DenButsu to agree with your opinion (That Nene wasnt the most valuable player to his team) then I will concede the point.


I never proclaimed rebounds and points to be the only thing that makes a big man. I do feel they do show an indication of how a player has done though. And forgive me for actually watching the guy throughout his career instead of watching a minuscule amount of games.

LOL wat?

Let me get this straight, you mention stats and when your comprehension of the field is brought into question, you revert to the tired line of "I watch more games than you do"?
LOL if thats what your argument consists of then do yourself a favor and dont post stats, if you post stats your going to receive a comment based on stats.

As for your new argument, tell me, how much more of the guy do you see than me? You obviously KNOW how much ball I watch so tell me, how many games did I see?

More importantly how many games did you see outside of his? You see its not just about how often you watch your players, its about how often you see the rest of the league, this gives you a greater basis for comparison.

And for the record, Ive been watching basketball games all off-season, many of them involving the Nuggs. Just to give you an indication of how much ball I watch, I make it a point to watch every player, start scouting sessions, just so I can tell people who use that BS line to STFU.

Hustlenomics
12-07-2011, 02:56 AM
this thread is hilarious

brodawgs
12-07-2011, 03:15 AM
Matter of perspective, but I find it likely that outside of all perspective and biases that Kobe, Rose, and Melo are all highly touted and aren't deserving of the rep that is given to them.

lavilevi23
12-07-2011, 03:24 AM
LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Mike Miller

They didn't win a ring, OVERRATED.

:facepalm:

Mudvayne91
12-07-2011, 03:37 AM
See now your overrating Nene, but since I think your underrating him overall I can only deduce that your underrating both centers.



We are in agreement there. Hes always been an enigma for someone who seems so athletic in some aspect but not in others. Mostly defensively and on the boards. This doesnt change my opinion of him in the league because he has advantages that most centers dont offensively. Every player has flaws and lots of players underachieve, this isnt the same as being overrated.


Gotya, the #'s back you


I really only know 1 Nuggs fan, if you can get DenButsu to agree with your opinion (That Nene wasnt the most valuable player to his team) then I will concede the point.


LOL wat?

Let me get this straight, you mention stats and when your comprehension of the field is brought into question, you revert to the tired line of "I watch more games than you do"?
LOL if thats what your argument consists of then do yourself a favor and dont post stats, if you post stats your going to receive a comment based on stats.

As for your new argument, tell me, how much more of the guy do you see than me? You obviously KNOW how much ball I watch so tell me, how many games did I see?

More importantly how many games did you see outside of his? You see its not just about how often you watch your players, its about how often you see the rest of the league, this gives you a greater basis for comparison.

And for the record, Ive been watching basketball games all off-season, many of them involving the Nuggs. Just to give you an indication of how much ball I watch, I make it a point to watch every player, start scouting sessions, just so I can tell people who use that BS line to STFU.

Ok bro, you call me out for not knowing my team with some snoody comment about points and rebounds albeit two stats that are often used to judge/compare players. I'm just telling you, I don't really care what you might think, I've seen Nene his whole career. I've been a diehard for over a decade. I know my stuff when it comes to the Nuggets and the players involved. I have no problems bringing in stats, but I also know that the games tell a better story than just stats.

I never said you don't watch basketball, but I'm definitely willing to bet that I know my team quite a bit better than you do. That's all I'm implying.

As far as what I watch, obviously the opponents of the Nuggets. However, I tend to gamble on some games when I have extra cash, I probably watch 3-5 games in addition to the Nugs per week. Most of the time these are the Lakers, Celtics, Heat etc cause those are what are shown on NBA TV, TNT and ESPN. Not saying I'm a scout by any means, but I am no stranger to the other teams.

And that's great. It wouldn't shock me that you have a better general knowledge around the league. I was just saying I seriously doubt you follow or watch nearly as many Nuggets games. If you've only missed 20 Nuggets games in the past 5 years, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

And yes, Den is a very smart poster. He post nearly as much do the lockout, but I believe he felt Ty was the most important player. Although it's a bit irrelevant. To be honest, this whole conversation is irrelevant since it's all subjective and it certainly is becoming a waste of time. Good luck to ya.

PZeef
12-07-2011, 03:51 AM
Chris Paul

People want him to be the player he was a few years ago, the player we saw for a few games last year in a playoff series, but he is NOT that player anymore. He may have stretches now and then where we look in awe and think the guy is a legit top 3 player in the NBA. But then his nagging knee issues start up again, the more he plays, the worse it gets. That's part of the reason I can't understand teams mortgaging their whole future to trade for a guy that is one step away from becoming Brandon Roy. To me he is a bigger gamble than people think he is.

Chronz
12-07-2011, 04:13 AM
Ok bro, you call me out for not knowing my team with some snoody comment about points and rebounds albeit two stats that are often used to judge/compare players.
Not at all, the only thing I brought into question was your statistical comprehension. Its the fact that your statistical argument consists of 2 #'s.


I'm just telling you, I don't really care what you might think, I've seen Nene his whole career. I've been a diehard for over a decade. I know my stuff when it comes to the Nuggets and the players involved. I have no problems bringing in stats, but I also know that the tell a better story than just stats.
If you dont care what I think then its obvious I dont care what you think, so basically we are 2 people having a conversation that neither one of us cares to have with one another. You dont see the paradox in that? You may not care what I think but you definitely have the urge to defend your case to me. Thats all I care about.



I never said you don't watch basketball, but I'm definitely willing to bet that I know my team quite a bit better than you do. That's all I'm implying.

In most cases Im sure this is all you require to back up your opinion, but the point Im making is that I honestly dont care if its your team for 2 reasons.

1) I dont know you, like I mentioned earlier, I dont know many Nuggs fan and I really only respect 1 enough to the point where I will take what he has to say about his team with good faith above my own. You, with your simplistic stats, arent in that class.

2) If I simply took what every fan of every team ever said about their players at face value, not only would there be no discussion, but there would be alot of conflicting opinions.

Point being, simply saying its your team isnt good enough unless I know you.


As far as what I watch, obviously the opponents of the Nuggets. However, I tend to gamble on some games when I have extra cash, I probably watch 3-5 games in addition to the Nugs per week. Most of the time these are the Lakers, Celtics, Heat etc cause those are what are shown on NBA TV, TNT and ESPN. Not saying I'm a scout by any means, but I am no stranger to the other teams.

And that's great. It wouldn't shock me that you have a better general knowledge around the league. I was just saying I seriously doubt you follow or watch nearly as many Nuggets games. If you've only missed 20 Nuggets games in the past 5 years, I will gladly admit I was wrong.
No I dont watch as many Nuggs games as you, but if your relying on that scale to get your basketball fix then you clearly dont watch as many games as I do overall. My personal opinion is that its equally important to watch other teams play as it is your own, it broadens your basis for comparison and gives you a greater understanding of each players role/place in the league.

Put it this way, if there are quite a few teams that you barely see 10-20 times a year then thats already leaving you at a tremendous disadvantage with regards to knowing those other players. And if you dont know those other players, how can you truly know where your player stands?

Compared to someone who watches, on average at least half of every teams games (and thats a low estimate), why would that person value the opinion of a player simply on the grounds that they watch a single team more when I watch every other team infinitely more often?
But thats just me




And yes, Den is a very smart poster. He post nearly as much do the lockout, but I believe he felt Ty was the most important player. Although it's a bit irrelevant. To be honest, this whole conversation is irrelevant since it's all subjective and it certainly is becoming a waste of time. Good luck to ya.

Ill tweet him right now

G-Bay New J
12-07-2011, 04:27 AM
Andrew Bynum!

Laker fans have been killing me with the trade talk...

diu9leilomo
12-07-2011, 04:28 AM
this thread should chnage to "which players you hate"

csenoner
12-07-2011, 04:29 AM
its obviously derrick rose. somehow playing inefficient selfish basketball, playing matador defense gets you mvp.

If monta ellis played for the bulls, the results wouldnt be much different.

being good at offense on a mediocre offensive team makes you mvp do to the teams success, even though the offense isnt what won games for the bulls.

It was their defense, and they won by being good defensively in spite of rose.

most overrated player I have ever scene. his mvp award is based on PPG and team wins.

His ppg is based soley on volume of shots (he shot the lowest fg% of any player in the top 20 in ppg).

The teams record was based on great defense (again in spite of drose's inabaility to defend).

So ho the hell is this guy the MVP? it just shows people dont really understand what contributes to winning in the nba. read up at dberri.wordpress.com.

the nba is slowly beginning to experience the change that the mlb saw over the last 10 years.

all i know is that it is hilarious because bulls fans think bogans sucks and they want a scorer at the 2. dont they understand if they get a scorer who cant defend, they will have one of the worst perimeter defenses in the league? they won 60 games because they were a great defensive team. pure and simple. if they give that up for more players who like to shoot their win total will surely drop.

well, i guess they gotta find out the hard way.

(btw, this doesnt even get into how bad drose was in the playoffs, especially against the heat. bulls fans say that rose needs help. i saw the team needed more help from rose. hogging the ball and taking bad shots doesnt help your team win. if he played like a real pg and set up his teammates they would have had a shot to beat miami. but the wayhe layed, they had no chance. lebron showed hes miles ahead of rose in that series. an mvp must be a very good defender. their are enough great 2 way players that being a good offensive player doesnt cut it.)

TylerSL
12-07-2011, 08:25 AM
I don't understand what happened with your bandwagoning. You're a Patriots fan and a HEAT fan but yet you're a Cubs fan? What's wrong? Is your *** sore from riding so much wagon before?

Im not a bandganor. Ive always liked these teams. I normally just talk about the Heat on this site however. Fail bait attempt by you.

Aussy4GM
12-07-2011, 09:03 AM
Seriously though...how we rate players is so fickle that players just ride the roller coaster over "ratedness". I think a lot of people here have a poor perception of how a player is actually rated by the population, and to determine ratedness, that matters.

Rose is both underrated and overrated...it depends on who is doing the rating. A lot of his fans overrated him immensely last year, and a lot of his "haters" underrated him immensely.

LeBron James fits in the same class. Kobe always has. Etc...

Superstars often aren't really ever over or underrated. It's the role players/lesser stars that are.


:clap: couldn't have said it better.

How can you say a guy who ran away with the MVP is overrated? smh
at the same time he isn't GOD.........yet

faridk89
12-07-2011, 09:07 AM
cp3, lebron

theheatles
12-07-2011, 09:12 AM
kendrick perkins is the most overrated player in the NBA

quade36
12-07-2011, 09:28 AM
its obviously derrick rose. somehow playing inefficient selfish basketball, playing matador defense gets you mvp.

If monta ellis played for the bulls, the results wouldnt be much different.

being good at offense on a mediocre offensive team makes you mvp do to the teams success, even though the offense isnt what won games for the bulls.

It was their defense, and they won by being good defensively in spite of rose.

most overrated player I have ever scene. his mvp award is based on PPG and team wins.

His ppg is based soley on volume of shots (he shot the lowest fg% of any player in the top 20 in ppg).

The teams record was based on great defense (again in spite of drose's inabaility to defend).

So ho the hell is this guy the MVP? it just shows people dont really understand what contributes to winning in the nba. read up at dberri.wordpress.com.

the nba is slowly beginning to experience the change that the mlb saw over the last 10 years.

all i know is that it is hilarious because bulls fans think bogans sucks and they want a scorer at the 2. dont they understand if they get a scorer who cant defend, they will have one of the worst perimeter defenses in the league? they won 60 games because they were a great defensive team. pure and simple. if they give that up for more players who like to shoot their win total will surely drop.

well, i guess they gotta find out the hard way.

(btw, this doesnt even get into how bad drose was in the playoffs, especially against the heat. bulls fans say that rose needs help. i saw the team needed more help from rose. hogging the ball and taking bad shots doesnt help your team win. if he played like a real pg and set up his teammates they would have had a shot to beat miami. but the wayhe layed, they had no chance. lebron showed hes miles ahead of rose in that series. an mvp must be a very good defender. their are enough great 2 way players that being a good offensive player doesnt cut it.)


so you are basing his being overrated solely on FG shots and percentage. If thats the case my friend, Kobe Bryant is the most overrated basketball player in the history of the game....

I ran some numbers on shots, including FTA because obviously you are still take a shot the majority of times you go to the FT line.

Rose, 1597 FGA and 555 FTA
Wade, 1384 FGA and 652 FTA
James, 1485 FGA 663 FTA

Rose, 19.7 FGA 6.9 FTA
Wade, 18.2 FGA 8.6 FTA
James, 18.8 FGA 8.4 FTA

Rose played in 81 games, James 79, Wade 76.

There is a small difference between the amount of shots any of these three took, except of course for one factor. Both Wade and James are on the same team. Oh and these 3 were all in the running for MVP last year.

Its like people want Rose to suck so bad so you'll through up anything. Maybe its because you hate Bulls fans. If thats the case your aggression would make more sense if it was toward the fans. You should start a thread why Bulls fans suck. :)

And just an FYI Keith Bogans wouldn't start for any team in the league.

BTW, I am sure you don't follow Bulls games, but Rose won the MVP because he was the leader of a team that had major injuries throughout the year yet still had the best record in the NBA. In case you didn't know, Noah only played 48 games (thats a little more than half a season) and Boozer only played 59. Granted now his Robin was Luol Deng and Deng was great but lets not compare Deng to the Robin's of the MVP candidates he was up against. Wade/Lebron.

Finally, Rose is not the reason the Bulls lost to the Heat. I don't know if you realized this, most people on this forum have though. The Heat have 3 of the top 10 players in the league on their team. The Bulls, as a team, are not built well against a team with two prolific scorers and a great post guy. There are two types of teams that can beat the Heat in a seven game serious.

Type A: The veteran team that is playing so well together that they can match the intensity and stamina of the Heat (ala Mavs)

Type B: Another super team for reasons the same as Type A.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-07-2011, 09:55 AM
kendrick porkins

GreatMustachio1
12-07-2011, 10:03 AM
Chris Bosh

ThePooH_1_
12-07-2011, 10:07 AM
Bosh

jewno
12-07-2011, 10:09 AM
i remember when ja adande said derrick rose was the best player in the nba talk about over hype.

ThePooH_1_
12-07-2011, 10:09 AM
so you are basing his being overrated solely on FG shots and percentage. If thats the case my friend, Kobe Bryant is the most overrated basketball player in the history of the game....

I ran some numbers on shots, including FTA because obviously you are still take a shot the majority of times you go to the FT line.

Rose, 1597 FGA and 555 FTA
Wade, 1384 FGA and 652 FTA
James, 1485 FGA 663 FTA

Rose, 19.7 FGA 6.9 FTA
Wade, 18.2 FGA 8.6 FTA
James, 18.8 FGA 8.4 FTA

Rose played in 81 games, James 79, Wade 76.

There is a small difference between the amount of shots any of these three took, except of course for one factor. Both Wade and James are on the same team. Oh and these 3 were all in the running for MVP last year.

Its like people want Rose to suck so bad so you'll through up anything. Maybe its because you hate Bulls fans. If thats the case your aggression would make more sense if it was toward the fans. You should start a thread why Bulls fans suck. :)

And just an FYI Keith Bogans wouldn't start for any team in the league.

BTW, I am sure you don't follow Bulls games, but Rose won the MVP because he was the leader of a team that had major injuries throughout the year yet still had the best record in the NBA. In case you didn't know, Noah only played 48 games (thats a little more than half a season) and Boozer only played 59. Granted now his Robin was Luol Deng and Deng was great but lets not compare Deng to the Robin's of the MVP candidates he was up against. Wade/Lebron.

Finally, Rose is not the reason the Bulls lost to the Heat. I don't know if you realized this, most people on this forum have though. The Heat have 3 of the top 10 players in the league on their team. The Bulls, as a team, are not built well against a team with two prolific scorers and a great post guy. There are two types of teams that can beat the Heat in a seven game serious.

Type A: The veteran team that is playing so well together that they can match the intensity and stamina of the Heat (ala Mavs)

Type B: Another super team for reasons the same as Type A.

:clap:

BALLER R
12-07-2011, 10:10 AM
how is it logically possible for the best player in the world to be considered overatted.

because hes not the best player in the world he hasn't earned that title yet

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-07-2011, 10:14 AM
He played in the West with Los Angeles, Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio, Portland, and Sacramento.

Bosh played in the East where a team could go 40-42 and be a 5th or 6th seed.

Couldn't the same be said 4 Melo

jewno
12-07-2011, 10:30 AM
because hes not the best player in the world he hasn't earned that title yet

says who you?? lebron james is the consenus best player in the world, just because you dont like him doesnt make you smarter than everyone else.

justinnum1
12-07-2011, 10:45 AM
Carmelo Anthony. Of course Knicks fans think he is better than Michael Jordan but just overall.

8 years in the playoffs, 7 first round exits.
Swept 4 times.
Shoots 42% from the field in his playoff career.
No defense and at times is a chucker.

this

ChitownSports16
12-07-2011, 11:02 AM
so you are basing his being overrated solely on FG shots and percentage. If thats the case my friend, Kobe Bryant is the most overrated basketball player in the history of the game....

I ran some numbers on shots, including FTA because obviously you are still take a shot the majority of times you go to the FT line.

Rose, 1597 FGA and 555 FTA
Wade, 1384 FGA and 652 FTA
James, 1485 FGA 663 FTA

Rose, 19.7 FGA 6.9 FTA
Wade, 18.2 FGA 8.6 FTA
James, 18.8 FGA 8.4 FTA

Rose played in 81 games, James 79, Wade 76.

There is a small difference between the amount of shots any of these three took, except of course for one factor. Both Wade and James are on the same team. Oh and these 3 were all in the running for MVP last year.

Its like people want Rose to suck so bad so you'll through up anything. Maybe its because you hate Bulls fans. If thats the case your aggression would make more sense if it was toward the fans. You should start a thread why Bulls fans suck. :)

And just an FYI Keith Bogans wouldn't start for any team in the league.

BTW, I am sure you don't follow Bulls games, but Rose won the MVP because he was the leader of a team that had major injuries throughout the year yet still had the best record in the NBA. In case you didn't know, Noah only played 48 games (thats a little more than half a season) and Boozer only played 59. Granted now his Robin was Luol Deng and Deng was great but lets not compare Deng to the Robin's of the MVP candidates he was up against. Wade/Lebron.

Finally, Rose is not the reason the Bulls lost to the Heat. I don't know if you realized this, most people on this forum have though. The Heat have 3 of the top 10 players in the league on their team. The Bulls, as a team, are not built well against a team with two prolific scorers and a great post guy. There are two types of teams that can beat the Heat in a seven game serious.

Type A: The veteran team that is playing so well together that they can match the intensity and stamina of the Heat (ala Mavs)

Type B: Another super team for reasons the same as Type A.

:clap:


Well said!!! to bad most (75%) of PSD has nooo I MEAN NOOO Basketball knowledge.

drose>mj
12-07-2011, 11:07 AM
bosh, wade and lebron are the top 3... boozer, noah and rose are the 3 most underrated.

wjmoffatt
12-07-2011, 11:12 AM
blake Griffin and DRose! Both are fun to watch, bt Westbrooks stats last year were the same and better in assists, rebounds, and PER. Griffin needs to be able to shoot the ball. Love isn't over rated at all, he can shoot from anywhere, hustles, and has great passing abilities for a big man.

Most underrated, Eric Gordon, Rudy Gay, Brooke Lopez, and Demar DeRozen.

Ill21
12-07-2011, 11:13 AM
Rose,Andrew Bynum,Noah,Deng,Tyson Chandler,Nene,Melo,Amare,Rondo,Boozer.

So the Bulls starting 5 is over rated? :facepalm:

drose>mj
12-07-2011, 11:13 AM
blake Griffin and DRose! Both are fun to watch, bt Westbrooks stats last year were the same and better in assists, rebounds, and PER. Griffin needs to be able to shoot the ball. Love isn't over rated at all, he can shoot from anywhere, hustles, and has great passing abilities for a big man.

Most underrated, Eric Gordon, Rudy Gay, Brooke Lopez, and Demar DeRozen.

HAHAHAHAHA LMFAO... u must be drunk... drose is the best player in the league at this juncture.

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-07-2011, 11:29 AM
So the Bulls starting 5 is over rated? :facepalm:

Lmbo.. Heat fans man...

Vincent
12-07-2011, 11:29 AM
Rajon Rondo by a wide margin for me

HeatKing6
12-07-2011, 11:30 AM
HAHAHAHAHA LMFAO... u must be drunk... drose is the best player in the league at this juncture.

:facepalm: typical bulls fan. Anyways the most overrated player right now is Drose.

Dolfan305
12-07-2011, 11:33 AM
Kendrick Perkins

iliketurtles24
12-07-2011, 11:33 AM
maybe we should judge it by salaries, and to the point i read nobody explained how klove is overrated. i dont get it

HeatKing6
12-07-2011, 11:37 AM
maybe we should judge it by salaries, and to the point i read nobody explained how klove is overrated. i dont get it

Klove is overrated to some extent for me as well for the fact that he is not someone you can give the ball to offensively and expect him to carry your team, also he is undersized and doesnt play any D. I guess u can say hes a great rebounder, but he is not someone i would consider a top 10 PF to be honest.

nycericanguy
12-07-2011, 11:57 AM
Bynum

Hawkeye15
12-07-2011, 12:08 PM
Klove is overrated to some extent for me as well for the fact that he is not someone you can give the ball to offensively and expect him to carry your team, also he is undersized and doesnt play any D. I guess u can say hes a great rebounder, but he is not someone i would consider a top 10 PF to be honest.

please give me 10 PF's you would take over the 20-15 Love, who shoots three's like a guard, draws fouls all night, hits his free throws, and doesn't need 20 plays run for him in a game to score 20+.

Yes, he will never be a guy who jumps over people. But it doesn't matter how you get your numbers. You don't get style points in basketball. If you get them in a way that sets you above almost everyone in the NBA efficiency wise, and completely dominate the rebounding portion of the game, how can you possibly be overrated, especially when nobody is saying Love is an all NBA player right now.

By the way, his defense isn't as bad as many claim. He will never be a great defender, but he establishes great position, is smart enough to force his opponents to take shots in areas where makes are tougher to get (hence why his opponent's shoot about 41% on him), and if you miss, possession is over.

nyKnicks126
12-07-2011, 12:10 PM
Kevin Love is overrated? lol
and how is DRose overrated?

Honestly Joe Johnson is overrated and Chris Bosh

siix
12-07-2011, 12:11 PM
lebron james

HOZ THE KNICK
12-07-2011, 12:11 PM
bosh

siix
12-07-2011, 12:11 PM
and chris bosh

Baller1
12-07-2011, 12:14 PM
Melo.

Dolfan305
12-07-2011, 12:14 PM
and chris bosh

Yes, and Dwyane Wade and every other players you dislike. And every player on your team is underrated

HeatKing6
12-07-2011, 12:20 PM
please give me 10 PF's you would take over the 20-15 Love, who shoots three's like a guard, draws fouls all night, hits his free throws, and doesn't need 20 plays run for him in a game to score 20+.

Yes, he will never be a guy who jumps over people. But it doesn't matter how you get your numbers. You don't get style points in basketball. If you get them in a way that sets you above almost everyone in the NBA efficiency wise, and completely dominate the rebounding portion of the game, how can you possibly be overrated, especially when nobody is saying Love is an all NBA player right now.

By the way, his defense isn't as bad as many claim. He will never be a great defender, but he establishes great position, is smart enough to force his opponents to take shots in areas where makes are tougher to get (hence why his opponent's shoot about 41% on him), and if you miss, possession is over.

In no order

dirk
amare
bosh
pau
duncan
al jeff
aldridge
josh smith
Ibaka
kg
zbo

i gotta admit 10 was a bit of an exageration, but i could put love anywhere in that 6-10 ranking. the poing i was trying to make is for me hes not a franchise player like he is being played out to be. i want my franchise player to be someone i can give the rock to and have him win me games, i saw a game against okc last year that went to like 2 overtimes and freaking mike beasley closed for you guys,

in that BIG game love was not someone they could look to when they needed scoring because hes not that type of player. hes a great hustle player on the boards and has a clean offensive game but not more.

nyKnicks126
12-07-2011, 12:23 PM
Rondo in my opinion isn't overrated so many think he is.

He does what a point guard should do and makes great plays for his teammates and some are fantastic the way he finds players for an easy score, good defender. I don't get how a top tier passer for his position is overrated..

PacersForLife
12-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Derrick Rose, he is good, but not MVP deserving yet....

Hawkeye15
12-07-2011, 12:26 PM
In no order

dirk
amare
bosh
pau
duncan
al jeff
aldridge
josh smith
Ibaka
kg
zbo

i gotta admit 10 was a bit of an exageration, but i could put love anywhere in that 6-10 ranking. the poing i was trying to make is for me hes not a franchise player like he is being played out to be. i want my franchise player to be someone i can give the rock to and have him win me games, i saw a game against okc last year that went to like 2 overtimes and freaking mike beasley closed for you guys,

in that BIG game love was not someone they could look to when they needed scoring because hes not that type of player. hes a great hustle player on the boards and has a clean offensive game but not more.


The bolded are ridiculous dude. Cmon.

So now, just because he can't isolate and score off the drive, he is overrated?

I seriously have no idea why anyone would think that when Luke Ridnour is your 2nd best player, you are going to be able to lead a team to a bunch of wins.

As I said, nobody is saying he is all NBA. The most irrational Wolves fan knows he isn't a #1 guy. Neither was KG, but it didn't mean he wasn't a top 5 player for a long stretch of his career.

I have no clue how Love can be overrated. I guess it depends on where you think he is rated. I have him top 5-6 PF's, and top 20 in the NBA. I think I rate him right where he should be.

When a guy does something not done in 28 years for a season, and something NEVER done in 20-15-40-80, with 56 straight double doubles, he is not overrated.

nyKnicks126
12-07-2011, 12:27 PM
Ibaka or Josh Smith is better than Kevin Love. LOL

Hawkeye15
12-07-2011, 12:29 PM
Rondo in my opinion isn't overrated so many think he is.

He does what a point guard should do and makes great plays for his teammates and some are fantastic the way he finds players for an easy score, good defender. I don't get how a top tier passer for his position is overrated..

depends where you rate him?

Vincent
12-07-2011, 12:54 PM
Rondo in my opinion isn't overrated so many think he is.

He does what a point guard should do and makes great plays for his teammates and some are fantastic the way he finds players for an easy score, good defender. I don't get how a top tier passer for his position is overrated..

Maybe in the 90's Rondo would've been fine as a PG.

But the way the rules are set up currently, your point guard needs to be able to capitalize by being to be able to get to any spot on the court and be a threat to score. The "pure point guard" tag now-a-days is just an excuse for being offensively ineffective, just like "defensive center."

His horrendous FT% gets overlooked too. How can you have your PG shooting a worse FT% than your Centers?

DeyAce
12-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Griffin

niketas
12-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Erick Dampier -> totally overrated

iliketurtles24
12-07-2011, 01:13 PM
The bolded are ridiculous dude. Cmon.

So now, just because he can't isolate and score off the drive, he is overrated?

I seriously have no idea why anyone would think that when Luke Ridnour is your 2nd best player, you are going to be able to lead a team to a bunch of wins.

As I said, nobody is saying he is all NBA. The most irrational Wolves fan knows he isn't a #1 guy. Neither was KG, but it didn't mean he wasn't a top 5 player for a long stretch of his career.

I have no clue how Love can be overrated. I guess it depends on where you think he is rated. I have him top 5-6 PF's, and top 20 in the NBA. I think I rate him right where he should be.

When a guy does something not done in 28 years for a season, and something NEVER done in 20-15-40-80, with 56 straight double doubles, he is not overrated.
i just dont think people will ever get it, just cause he cannot create off the dribble etc doesnt mean he is overrated. also, i dont see any wolves fans saying he should be in the top ten in nba or top 5. he put up historic numbers and he deservingly got mip. he is not overrated

dwadefan03
12-07-2011, 01:16 PM
durant and rose by far

ThePooH_1_
12-07-2011, 01:22 PM
durant and rose by far

:cry: :rolleyes:

... Boozer

Sadds The Gr8
12-07-2011, 01:25 PM
Rajon Rondo
Kendrick Perkins
Carmelo Anthony

AIMelo=KillaDUO
12-07-2011, 01:26 PM
CP3 because of all his trade talk. Is he a great player yes but he's had recent injury's. Why anyone wants him instead of Dwill is ******** at this point.

Because Chris Paul is better then Deron Williams... and Williams also had an injury, more recently then Chris :confused:

Mplsman
12-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Bynum

swirl54
12-07-2011, 01:35 PM
What are the parameters for this question? If it's overrated by PSD it's CP3 by far like no close second. If it's overrated by ESPN it's Blake Griffin. If it's overrated in the way they play on the court it's nobody because being in the NBA say's a lot about your game best in world talent. Like Brian Scalabrini he might be worst in the league but he is better than everyone not in the NBA excluding me and players still too young DUH.

swirl54
12-07-2011, 01:36 PM
durant and rose by far

Rose will win more titles than LBJ and when its all said and done will be regarded higher IMHO.

pditty
12-07-2011, 01:37 PM
Derrick Rose.

If someone says LeBron your an idiot.

u a hole

swirl54
12-07-2011, 01:48 PM
u a hole

lmfao

Oefarmy2005
12-07-2011, 01:51 PM
Kevin Love is going to be overrated - once the Wolves give him a max contract. Wolves fans greatly overrate Kevin Love, and that's coming from a Wolves fan.

TylerSL
12-07-2011, 01:55 PM
Rose will win more titles than LBJ and when its all said and done will be regarded higher IMHO.

lol

heyman321
12-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Kevin Durant. Overrated as hell. He doesn't know how to act in crunch time, and struggles with passing and defense.

GhostfaceDrilla
12-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Sounds like Dirk.

12 years in the playoffs, 4 first round exits
2 times in the Finals, NBA CHAMPION
Shoots 46% for his career in the playoffs
25 and 10 average in 124 playoff games
Arguably the greatest shooter in NBA history

You were saying?

Hawkeye15
12-07-2011, 02:17 PM
12 years in the playoffs, 4 first round exits
2 times in the Finals, NBA CHAMPION
Shoots 46% for his career in the playoffs
25 and 10 average in 124 playoff games
Arguably the greatest shooter in NBA history
You were saying?

cmon man. Maybe the best shooting big man. But not the best shooter. Nash is the best shooter of all time anyways.

PacersForLife
12-07-2011, 02:23 PM
I don't think anybody in the league today will be regarded higher than LeBron when all is said and done.

Hugbees
12-07-2011, 02:28 PM
Rose

Hugbees
12-07-2011, 02:29 PM
cmon man. Maybe the best shooting big man. But not the best shooter. Nash is the best shooter of all time anyways.

Bird