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j-bay
11-30-2011, 02:11 PM
Dwight Howard and Chris Paul Celtics completely diffrent. I'mm talking about them going up to each other and say hey you want to play for me sure. And then not only do the small market teams suck, and get a lottery pick. they get destroyed and the attendence goes low. And now they don't have any money to pay their guys and they leave. I think there should be a few rules

1. Each team sends one player to play in the ASG. I don't care how many good players you got. Each team sends there best player to play. That way not only does each team gets someone to repersent, but all the fans will be watching too.
2. If you already have 3 or more stars then you can't get another. It makes the league fair
3.Rookies can't leave on post rookie contracts.

spurs4#5
11-30-2011, 02:15 PM
the allstar idea is an ok idea...but everything else would be putting to many restrictions on the players, if a team already has 3 superstars (and im assuming you're talking about miami)and another superstar wants to go play for them at the vet min or mle then thats up to them but i doubt that would ever happen and a team like miami wouldnt have the room to sign another superstar

Shmontaine
11-30-2011, 02:16 PM
1. maybe
2. no, what the definition of a star?? someone who goes the now superficial all star game??
3. no, if teams can trade players, players should be able to become FA.

all in all... no

ShakeN'Bake
11-30-2011, 02:19 PM
Dwight Howard and Chris Paul Celtics completely diffrent. I'mm talking about them going up to each other and say hey you want to play for me sure. And then not only do the small market teams suck, and get a lottery pick. they get destroyed and the attendence goes low. And now they don't have any money to pay their guys and they leave. I think there should be a few rules

1. Each team sends one player to play in the ASG. I don't care how many good players you got. Each team sends there best player to play. That way not only does each team gets someone to repersent, but all the fans will be watching too.
2. If you already have 3 or more stars then you can't get another. It makes the league fair
3.Rookies can't leave on post rookie contracts.

1. I doubt anymore people will watch the all-star game because 1 person from every team is in it.

2. While it is annoying this is silly. So your telling me if I have three stars but have a young up and coming player who could turn into a star I need to unload one of them? that is some ********.

3. Is just stupid.

Shmontaine
11-30-2011, 02:20 PM
is it unfair that players have to pay taxes in states they play away games in, when said states don't have enough fans to support a team?? these players shouldn't even be in the state in the first place, now they have to pay taxes to a state that can't even support an nba team... that seems unfair to me...

j-bay
11-30-2011, 02:20 PM
1. maybe
2. no, what the definition of a star?? someone who goes the now superficial all star game??
no superstar players like howard,wade,james 3. no, if teams can trade players, players should be able to become FA.

all in all... no

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SteBO
11-30-2011, 02:21 PM
No, it's not unfair at all.

Shmontaine
11-30-2011, 02:23 PM
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so are we now categorizing players?? what defines a superstar?? are we looking at stats?? too convoluted for me...

j-bay
11-30-2011, 02:30 PM
i mean i don't have a problem with it but you know your looking at the guy who is still under contract with the team and is already planning with another player to join his team.

PhillyFaninLA
11-30-2011, 02:47 PM
i mean i don't have a problem with it but you know your looking at the guy who is still under contract with the team and is already planning with another player to join his team.


I don't know about you but I talk to my friends and families about big plans I'm considering. They don't make up my mind but they offer valuable insight.

Of course players are going to talk about long term plans with each other. No one makes big discussion (or should) without talking to friends and/or family.

Teams do nothing wrong by acquiring players and making themselves better and all teams small or large market have the same rules of operation. Its not about the size of the market its about the quality of the owner, president, GM, and coach. Small markets can win a title and attract players if they are run correctly.

29$JerZ
11-30-2011, 02:50 PM
If small market teams do a poor job putting talent around their star how is it the big market fault for their failure? Bad records lead to better draft picks and you are always in control of the contracts you dish out.

John Walls Era
11-30-2011, 02:52 PM
This system will never work. Based on number 1, how will number 2 work? Technically there will only be 1 "all star" on your team.

Dade County
11-30-2011, 03:12 PM
So would it be unfair for a small market to have a super team? What ever that word super team means.

Cal827
11-30-2011, 03:22 PM
Why do people still while.... other than those **** Melo, look at the condition of the teams where these guys Left.

Lebron's team might have maxed out for the near future and Gilbert missed an opportunity to acquire Amar'e at the trade deadline, because he wanted to keep a guy who was traded for some random dude.
Ditto with Bosh
Utah might have been loooking to rebuild after losing to the Lakers like 3 years in a row.
Paul's team is likely either going to rebuild or possibly relocate.
Amar'e said he would have resigned with the Suns, if Sarver was willing to spend
Howard's team is just plain screwed

If the teams have the money at the opportune time (E.g. Miami, New York, New Jersey), then I don't see much of a problem with it.... With the New split on BRI (what is that about, 1 billion extra to the owners?), maybe some teams would be willing to spend more in order to keep stars or make a winner in front of them.

There are instances where a star wants to go to a big market (Melo, Shaq), but it's not always going to happen like some suggest.

I can't wait for a smaller market team to pry a star out of a bigger market so we could just end this nonsense.. and realize that no matter what a team's market size is, they will lose stars if they can't form a winning product in front of them.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-30-2011, 04:01 PM
this would never work lol

ChiSoxJuan
11-30-2011, 04:23 PM
You can't compare the star clustering in the NBA to MLB, NHL, or NFL because only in the NBA will you see a 62 win team fall to a 19 win team when it's star leaves. Stars should be allowed to cluster, but teams losing stars need to be adequately compensated.

I propose a star loss misery system.

When a team loses an all-star max player, it should be compensated based on the added losses it suffers the next yr. First off you have to suffer at least 10 more losses to get anything, but when you do you will get compensated for the full 10. Figure $500K in cap savings for each L.

Cle went from 62W to 19W, so they would get compensated for 43L or about $22M.
Tor went from I think 42W to 22W so they would get about $10M.
Den suffered less than 10L w/out Melo so they get nothing.

For Cle & Tor it's just cap savings, for Miami it's a cash pay out. They would owe the NBA this yr $32M for the opportunity to take James away from Cle & Bosh away from Tor. That would go into the rev sharing system tied to the LT system which is designed to help the less fortunate teams the most.

I believe there is a price at which a star will go to a less fortunate market. Bonus savings cap wise can help those markets meet that price. Because these would be bonus cap savings, teams should be able to use them as signing bonuses to attract those stars.

Assuming the owners opt out after 6 yrs, this is what I'd like them to lobby for next.

*Superman*
11-30-2011, 04:56 PM
Life is unfair.

Anilyzer
11-30-2011, 05:04 PM
Dwight Howard and Chris Paul Celtics completely diffrent. I'mm talking about them going up to each other and say hey you want to play for me sure. And then not only do the small market teams suck, and get a lottery pick. they get destroyed and the attendence goes low. And now they don't have any money to pay their guys and they leave. I think there should be a few rules

1. Each team sends one player to play in the ASG. I don't care how many good players you got. Each team sends there best player to play. That way not only does each team gets someone to repersent, but all the fans will be watching too.
2. If you already have 3 or more stars then you can't get another. It makes the league fair
3.Rookies can't leave on post rookie contracts.

I've always said that Lebron and Kobe should be banned from the league.

They are both TOO DOMINANT, too awesome, and it is totally unfair to the other teams in the league.

Small market teams have to try to guard Lebron or Kobe with Hedo Turkoglu or Kurt Hinrich or something... it is just completely unfair.

The only way to make the league fair for everybody is to ban superstar players like Lebron or Kobe. They could be bought out by the league with a fund from an overall 10% BRI split, paying them NOT to play. The extra revenues from all the competitive balance would more than make up for the lost money, and then the league would be perfect.

Evolution23
11-30-2011, 05:10 PM
No its not, its a free market

Ty Fast
11-30-2011, 05:10 PM
if its with in the rules then no

detzfish
11-30-2011, 05:18 PM
idk why people cant get over the fact that the larger markets will most likely get the big name guys.
So what that Miami has Wade Lebron and Bosh. Who cares if the Knicks get CP3 or Howard to go with Melo and Amare.
I honestly see nothing wrong with it and I am a Pistons fan.
When u draft a player, you hope he pans out and if he does, u better assemble a good cast around him so he doesnt end up wanting to leave ur team.
If he does, ***** life.

Hellcrooner
11-30-2011, 06:09 PM
I've always said that Lebron and Kobe should be banned from the league.

They are both TOO DOMINANT, too awesome, and it is totally unfair to the other teams in the league.

Small market teams have to try to guard Lebron or Kobe with Hedo Turkoglu or Kurt Hinrich or something... it is just completely unfair.

The only way to make the league fair for everybody is to ban superstar players like Lebron or Kobe. They could be bought out by the league with a fund from an overall 10% BRI split, paying them NOT to play. The extra revenues from all the competitive balance would more than make up for the lost money, and then the league would be perfect.
yep, thats the next step for this coward bastards.

Vinylman
11-30-2011, 06:50 PM
smells like socialism to me