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69centers
11-30-2011, 12:19 PM
“Everyone is tradeable, you could probably get a lot for Rajon Rondo but he is the heart and soul of the team,” retired star Shaquille O’Neal told 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Toucher and Rich. “I don’t think that would be a good idea. If I was the general manager, I wouldn’t do it.”

While Paul is a much better pure scorer than Rondo, averaging 15.9 points per game in 2011 and 18.7 for his six-year career, Shaq says he is not the true point guard that Rondo is.

“Chris Paul is not better than Rajon Rondo… Rajon Rondo is the true definition of a point guard, period,” said O’Neal. “He gets everybody involved and he scores when he has to. Chris Paul scores a lot of points, but when was the last time they made it to the playoffs? Thank you very much.”

Link (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/11/30/shaq-chris-paul-is-not-better-than-rajon-rondo/)

nyKnicks126
11-30-2011, 12:20 PM
too much talk= shaq

jewno
11-30-2011, 12:21 PM
whens the last time he made the playoffs shaq? umm idk this year?

Avenged
11-30-2011, 12:28 PM
:facepalm:

Interesting because Chris Paul is arguably a better passer than Rondo while not having the luxury to play with the talent Rondo has had. Chris Paul averages 18 points in his career and 9.9 assists. Rondo averages 7.6.. Shaq has the names twisted.

ShakeN'Bake
11-30-2011, 12:29 PM
Oh Shaq. I hope you get a analyst job so I can hear constantly ramble crap.

Sly Guy
11-30-2011, 12:31 PM
haha, shaq has no idea, rondo he's played with, so he might be heart and soul of a team, but CP3 was on a sub-par hornet's roster for years. I seriously doubt CP3 has any less competitive fire than rondo.

Chi StateOfMind
11-30-2011, 12:31 PM
Another Shaq thread. He never got this much attention im his whole career.

justinnum1
11-30-2011, 12:33 PM
:facepalm:

HOZ THE KNICK
11-30-2011, 12:33 PM
just imagine chris paul with the big 3, it won't even be close.

meloman1592
11-30-2011, 12:36 PM
Cp3 is better than rondo at everything...shaq needs to shut up

KnicksR4Real
11-30-2011, 12:42 PM
Shaq went to LSU for a reason, and that reason was not for logic.

Sadds The Gr8
11-30-2011, 12:42 PM
lol didnt they make the playoffs last year? i love Shaq but this is just stupid. CP3 would get 12 apg if he had Rondo's team.

Geargo Wallace
11-30-2011, 12:44 PM
does Shaq say this poop on purpose?

HouRealCoach
11-30-2011, 12:45 PM
I lost ALL respect for Shaq

Corey
11-30-2011, 12:45 PM
For such an intelligent guy, Shaquille can be a real idiot.

Da Knicks
11-30-2011, 12:46 PM
shaq is hilarious

TylerSL
11-30-2011, 12:51 PM
LOL CP3 is the best point guard since Stockton, easy.

raiderNlakerfan
11-30-2011, 12:52 PM
Oh lawd...

avrpatsfan
11-30-2011, 12:52 PM
Skip Bayless>Shaq

:laugh:

bagwell368
11-30-2011, 12:53 PM
too much talk= shaq

Gawd ain't that the truth...

nate2usmc
11-30-2011, 12:53 PM
Hahahaha I love all the responses on this thread. I got love for Rondo though and we will see how good he is when the big 3 are done. Shaq definitely missed the show CP3 put on the lakers without West THIS YEAR lol.

Chi StateOfMind
11-30-2011, 12:54 PM
Whatever Shaq is smokin, pass it over here.

nate2usmc
11-30-2011, 12:54 PM
Skip Bayless>Shaq

:laugh:

Agreed. Skip Bayless is the truth!

Geargo Wallace
11-30-2011, 12:54 PM
Chris Dudley>Shaq

Iodine
11-30-2011, 12:56 PM
It's called making a nice sound clip and sparking interest.

Is it smart? Hell no.

Is he doing his best to impersonate Skip Bayless and Jay Mariotti? Yes

I dont take anything he says while at TNT (or really after it to) really seriously.
Throw a whole salt shaker at this.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-30-2011, 12:58 PM
shaq stfu please

Iodine
11-30-2011, 12:58 PM
Chris Dudley>Shaq

HE ONCE LED THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSIVE REBOUND PERCENTAGE!!!!!

Well and awkwardness for 8 years.

Corey
11-30-2011, 01:05 PM
You know what the worst part is? There are celtics fans that think rondo is better.

:sigh:

Ebbs
11-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Shaqs stupidest comments ever.

Iodine
11-30-2011, 01:07 PM
You know what the worst part is? There are celtics fans that think rondo is better.

:sigh:
There was a spurs fan who thought George Hill would be a 20ppg scorer the next ten years.

The lesson: People are stupid, skyrim is better

Iodine
11-30-2011, 01:08 PM
Shaqs stupidest comments ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY0o2FHh64Y&feature=related

Bravo95
11-30-2011, 01:10 PM
Oh.

John Walls Era
11-30-2011, 01:11 PM
He obviously likes Rondo better because Rondo got him the ball alot.

ghettosean
11-30-2011, 01:11 PM
This is not going to help shaq's case that Skip Bayless knows nothing about basketball because he didn't play the game at Shaq's level.

It's clear to everyone that Chris Paul is the better point gaurd but let's not forget that Rondo is bloody amazing too!

KingPosey
11-30-2011, 01:12 PM
Shaq is ****ing crazy if he believes Rondo is the better player.

DaBUU
11-30-2011, 01:13 PM
I couldnt imagine what type of numbers CP3 would have playing with the C's

DaVille
11-30-2011, 01:14 PM
Rondo shot a worse ft% than Shaq for a large portion of the last season. I think shaq sticking up for a fellow non-shooter. seriously though, shaq need to STFU

Corey
11-30-2011, 01:15 PM
There was a spurs fan who thought George Hill would be a 20ppg scorer the next ten years.

The lesson: People are stupid, skyrim is better

Skyrim :drool:

85BearsDefense
11-30-2011, 01:16 PM
its like saying Dwight is better than Shaq.... just dumb

Sinestro
11-30-2011, 01:17 PM
When was the last time Chris Paul had the support that Rondo had?

pd1dish
11-30-2011, 01:20 PM
i view CP3 as one of the few pure PG's in the NBA (along with Rondo) but CP3 can still put up some points if he has to and Rondo just doesnt bring that. i honestly cant see Rondo doing anything at all if he ever has a below average team around him. whereas CP3 has had an average team around him and still gets his.

smith&wesson
11-30-2011, 01:20 PM
when did the hornets make the playoffs :confused: 2011 playoffs

Dolfan305
11-30-2011, 01:21 PM
Wow Shaq has been a ****ing moron lately. "whens the last time they've (Chris paul) made the playoffs?" How about last season dumb ***.

The goods
11-30-2011, 01:22 PM
You can argue about who's the better passer because they're both playmakers but chris paul is by far a better scorer,he took the lakers to 6 games in the playoffs basically by his self.
I don't know shaq you may be a little biased on this one.

Dolfan305
11-30-2011, 01:23 PM
Lets see Rondo is passing it to 3 future hall of famers wh are all great shooter, including the best 3p shooter of all time, while Chris Paul has Marco bellinelli and Trevor Ariza

Punk
11-30-2011, 01:24 PM
:laugh:

When has Rondo ever done anything without KG, Allen, Pierce? He played with the rebuilding Boston team that lost 22 straight games.

While, Paul was making the Hornets a relevant team in 2006.

mikealike305
11-30-2011, 01:25 PM
Shut up shaq.......

kylem4711
11-30-2011, 01:54 PM
ha, a retired shaq is too needy for attention

JordansBulls
11-30-2011, 01:56 PM
Wow!!!

ttam68
11-30-2011, 02:00 PM
Shaqs a hype machine. When will people learn to ignore his idiotic comments and laugh at the funny ones?

KNICKS R BACK
11-30-2011, 02:18 PM
chris paul is the purest point guard in the game besides steve nash and j kidd who are both on the downside of their careers...im not even just saying this because im hoping for chris paul to come to the knicks...its not even close and rondo couldnt knock down an open jumper if his life depended on it...defenders just fall back off of rondo and let him shoot and he cant convert...chris paul is so much more fundamentally sound then rondo and he has way better court vision...chris paul is a leading member of the pure point guard class

69centers
11-30-2011, 02:23 PM
He's not alone, though. Wasn't it about a year ago that Magic said Rondo was the best all around PG in the league?

Former players seem to appreciate Rondo's distribution better than CP3's pure scoring ability.

SteBO
11-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Whatever Shaq....Rondo is very good, but is still behind Paul imo. However, why do people severly underrate Rondo in the process?

ATL_Representa
11-30-2011, 02:25 PM
Shaq says things for shock value..He knows what he's doin just like he knows condo is not better than cp3.

PatsSoxKnicks
11-30-2011, 02:29 PM
He's not alone, though. Wasn't it about a year ago that Magic said Rondo was the best all around PG in the league?

Former players seem to appreciate Rondo's distribution better than CP3's pure scoring ability.

Then why are the Celtics offering up Rondo for CP3 and the Hornets are hanging up on the Celtics?

Just a homer Celtic fan.

SteBO
11-30-2011, 02:31 PM
Then why are the Celtics offering up Rondo for CP3 and the Hornets are hanging up on the Celtics?

Just a homer Celtic fan.
He said former players appreciate Rondo's playing style more than Paul's, which is understandable. Funny thing is, Paul is every bit as good a passer as Rondo is in my opinion and has better scoring ability, so the point is kinda moot.

KNICKS R BACK
11-30-2011, 02:32 PM
He's not alone, though. Wasn't it about a year ago that Magic said Rondo was the best all around PG in the league?

Former players seem to appreciate Rondo's distribution better than CP3's pure scoring ability.

only chris paul is a way better passer and has intangible court vision...cp3 is in the j kidd steve nash john stockton class...rondo is not...im gonna chalk up the fact that you're the only person agreeing with shaq to the fact that you're a celtics fan

Iodine
11-30-2011, 02:32 PM
Bawt da celtikz awer da bezt tm!!!

PatsSoxKnicks
11-30-2011, 02:48 PM
He said former players appreciate Rondo's playing style more than Paul's, which is understandable. Funny thing is, Paul is every bit as good a passer as Rondo is in my opinion and has better scoring ability, so the point is kinda moot.

Yeah, I've seen 69centers argue Rondo is better than CP3 before, which is why I called him a homer.

But yeah, CP3 is just as good of a distributor, slightly worse defender/rebounder but can shoot (whether its the 3 point shot, a mid-range shot, or anywhere on the court).

Right now, I think CP3 might be the only player in the NBA with no real weaknesses in his game. If he does have one, could you name it? He does everything well- pass, rebound, get to the rim, shoot, defend, etc.

GhostfaceDrilla
11-30-2011, 02:51 PM
Who cares what Shaq says....

Belmonts
11-30-2011, 03:04 PM
Another Shaq thread. He never got this much attention im his whole career.

Are you sure about that?

b0nk
11-30-2011, 03:05 PM
shaq = charles barkley 2.0

Iodine
11-30-2011, 03:20 PM
Another Shaq thread. He never got this much attention im his whole career.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0641944/

numba1CHANGsta
11-30-2011, 03:23 PM
cool i didnt know Rondo could carry a team all by himself, good work Shaq!

Celticsfan2007
11-30-2011, 03:25 PM
lol@shaq

ClippersE.G
11-30-2011, 03:37 PM
I cant wait for Rondo to get traded to a team with mediocre talent so he fan fade into obscurity and become just another mediocre point guard

Raph12
11-30-2011, 03:38 PM
In a few years Shaq will become one of the dumbest doctors (PHD, not MD) of alltime.

Hustlenomics
11-30-2011, 04:08 PM
I think the comments here are dumber than what Shaq said

X12Celtics3
11-30-2011, 04:26 PM
Rondo is one of my favorite players, but there really isn't any way to argue that he is better than Paul. Paul is either as good or better than Rondo in every aspect of the game.

Evolution23
11-30-2011, 05:11 PM
I love Shaq because he makes me laugh not because he knows to do analysis.

basketfan4life
11-30-2011, 05:49 PM
Cp3 is better than rondo at everything...shaq needs to shut up

rebounding,passing and ability for steal are up for debate at THIS point of their carreers...

what makes Paul a lot better than Rondo is his scoring ability.

AllBall
11-30-2011, 05:50 PM
Shaq, the new Charles Barkley.

What a moron.

Nyc4You
11-30-2011, 05:55 PM
i think shaq should be a lil bit more mad at rondo for all the pranks nate and rondo did on him last year Lol. :D

hugepatsfan
11-30-2011, 07:03 PM
Rondo isn't in the same league as CP3. But he's underrated by people here on PSD. I don't understand why people think he's a product of the Big 3...

Here's a scouting report of him coming into the draft... http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Rajon-Rondo-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2798/

People say he's only a good defender because of KG, but as you can see there people always regarded him as an excellent defender at the PG spot.

People say he only gets assists because he has good teamates, but as you can see in that scouting report he was always regarded as an excellent passer.

Rondo is an elite passer. He is an elite ball handler. He is an elite defender. Those are skills he possesses. Those are skills people recognized and projected in him beofre the Big 3 era. He's not going to suddenly lose those skills when they leave.

He's an excellent player, just not a #1 player on a championship team. That's why BOS wants to move him - on a rebuilding team he holds more value as a trade chip than a cornerstone.

THE MTL
11-30-2011, 07:12 PM
Chris Paul will ***** all over Rondo. Seriously, once the big 3 retires (probi nxt season)....Rondo will be exposed! The guy's court vision is great and he is a very good player, but he wont be the 12apg Rondo that we see now. Rondo will soon be the focus of opponent's defenses, he wont have great players to give him 12apg.

Crackadalic
11-30-2011, 07:13 PM
Rondo is underrated IMO but lets be real. He's no Chris Paul. Rondo didnt become the player he is today until he got Ray Ray and KG to play along side Paul Pierce Chris Paul has taken bum teams consistently to in the tough western conference outside that one year he was injured

hugepatsfan
11-30-2011, 07:18 PM
Chris Paul will ***** all over Rondo. Seriously, once the big 3 retires (probi nxt season)....Rondo will be exposed! The guy's court vision is great and he is a very good player, but he wont be the 12apg Rondo that we see now. Rondo will soon be the focus of opponent's defenses, he wont have great players to give him 12apg.

Why are you judging him by his APG though... You should instead try to look at him as an individual player.

Rondo is an excellent passer. He has great court vision. He's a great ball handler. He's a great defender. These are all traits people saw in him as a prospect. He's not going to just lose those.

When the Big 3 leave he'll probably be a 16 PPG/8-9 APG PG, but w/out his very high FG% (since he'll be taking more difficult shots - so while he will score more he won't necessarily be a better scorer). But he's a great passer. Great passers will get assists. A great pass is a great pass. Losing Ray on those screens would hurt, but he'll be fine.

EDIT: And I don't see what people mean when they say teams will focus on him more. I think the perception is that teams sag off him so they can guard the Big 3. That's not the main benefit to doing it. You play him like that because while he can't shoot, he is very good at beating people off the dribble, If you play up close on him, he can break the defense down and use his court vision to find cutters. Playing him tighter works to his ADVANTAGE. I think sagging off is the best way to play Rondo no matter who his teamates are.

Bruno
11-30-2011, 07:29 PM
These comments would make more sense if he were comparing Rondo to Rose, in terms of fitting the role of true point guard. Obviously Shaqs opinion is in the super-minority on this one.

Andrew32
11-30-2011, 07:29 PM
I fully respect Shaq as a player and a person but this is the dumbest comment he has ever made.

I guess you could try and argue Rondo is a better passer but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Guess he is just speaking from the heart and not the brain on this one.

Corey
11-30-2011, 07:58 PM
Do you honestly think that Rondo is better than Paul? Seriously?


Honestly yes I really do, the only thing Paul can do is shoot free throws big whooped dee do. Shaq couldn't either but managed to win 4 championships. Besides why would u trade one of your best players for a guy with knee problems? I already said those who want Rondo gone will ***** and complain come mid season when CP3 goes down with a knee injury.


Welcome to my life in the Celtics forum.

jrm2054
11-30-2011, 09:40 PM
Shaq is a idiot as an announcer

UPRock
11-30-2011, 11:05 PM
LOL Shaq.

ManRam
11-30-2011, 11:07 PM
He's entitled to his opinion...

But in my opinion his opinion is wrong.


I like Shaq, but I don't think I'm gonna like him at all as an analyst/announcer/commentator/whatever he's gonna be.

Hustlenomics
12-01-2011, 01:39 AM
Chris Paul will ***** all over Rondo. Seriously, once the big 3 retires (probi nxt season)....Rondo will be exposed! The guy's court vision is great and he is a very good player, but he wont be the 12apg Rondo that we see now. Rondo will soon be the focus of opponent's defenses, he wont have great players to give him 12apg.

how's a Knick fan gonna say this after how Rondo played against you guys in the playoffs

lakers4sho
12-01-2011, 02:01 AM
Welcome to my life in the Celtics forum.

I'm sorry for you.


He's entitled to his opinion...

But in my opinion his opinion is wrong.


I like Shaq, but I don't think I'm gonna like him at all as an analyst/announcer/commentator/whatever he's gonna be.

Why not? Everyone gets to laugh at him whenever he says idiotic stuff...like this.

Corey
12-01-2011, 02:05 AM
how's a Knick fan gonna say this after how Rondo played against you guys in the playoffs
What does that have to do with anything...? Stop baiting.

Raph12
12-01-2011, 02:08 AM
rebounding,passing and ability for steal are up for debate at THIS point of their carreers...

what makes Paul a lot better than Rondo is his scoring ability.

Efficiency/Production:
CP3 - 23.7PER - 57.8TS% - 50.2EFG% - 15.8PP36M - 0.232WS48M
Rondo - 17.1PER - 49.5TS% - 48.2EFG% - 10.3PP36M - 0.126WS48M

Rebounding:
CP3 - 1.6ORB% - 12.3DRB% - 6.9TRB%
Rondo - 4.5ORB% - 9.7DRB% - 7.2TRB%

Passing:
CP3 - 45.8AST% - 13.9TO%
Rondo - 47.1AST% - 24.3TO%

Steals:
CP3 - 3.5%STL
Rondo - 3.2%STL

What makes Paul a lot better than Rondo, is the fact that he's a lot better than Rondo, at just about everything (except offensive rebounding).

John Walls Era
12-01-2011, 03:20 AM
And the season hasn't even started yet and we already here such things from Shaq. As everyone imagined, hes going to be an extremely biased "analyst/commentator". All things aside, it will be a good show with Shaq on Inside the NBA.

Might need to start a Shaq Forum by the time the NBA reaches February.

BleedingGreen9
12-01-2011, 06:51 AM
whatever shaq....rondo is very good, but is still behind paul imo. However, why do people severly underrate rondo in the process?

this

NetsPaint
12-01-2011, 10:37 AM
Lol

ThePooH_1_
12-01-2011, 10:37 AM
Shaq.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFPzsXyXm14&feature=player_embedded

NetsPaint
12-01-2011, 10:39 AM
There's a reason why the Celtics want to trade Rondo for Paul.

NetsPaint
12-01-2011, 10:40 AM
how's a Knick fan gonna say this after how Rondo played against you guys in the playoffs
Anthony Carter was the only one to even try to defend him (which he was successful at).

gwrighter
12-01-2011, 11:08 AM
Shaq is boosting his old team, nothing surprises me there.

dnewguy
12-01-2011, 12:07 PM
Shaq is the Rick Perry of NBA. Dumb as it gets.

KnIckNy212
12-01-2011, 12:25 PM
Hmmm Shaq n Barkley on same TNT set :confused::confused:

mavwar53
12-01-2011, 12:35 PM
Wow I knew shaq said fairly stupid things but this may be the stupidest I've ever heard, seriously if Rondo had any kind of shot at all he would not be passing the ball as much.

Underdogz∞
12-01-2011, 01:06 PM
Shaq cmon bro no one agrees with this There was a time when I'd argue that Rondo was better than DRose I don't make that arguement anymore so maybe if we asked Shaq again if Rondo is better than Paul he'd come to his senses like I did about DRose. All that said I'd love either player on the Heat lol.

basketfan4life
12-01-2011, 02:45 PM
Efficiency/Production:
CP3 - 23.7PER - 57.8TS% - 50.2EFG% - 15.8PP36M - 0.232WS48M
Rondo - 17.1PER - 49.5TS% - 48.2EFG% - 10.3PP36M - 0.126WS48M

Rebounding:
CP3 - 1.6ORB% - 12.3DRB% - 6.9TRB%
Rondo - 4.5ORB% - 9.7DRB% - 7.2TRB%

Passing:
CP3 - 45.8AST% - 13.9TO%
Rondo - 47.1AST% - 24.3TO%

Steals:
CP3 - 3.5%STL
Rondo - 3.2%STL

What makes Paul a lot better than Rondo, is the fact that he's a lot better than Rondo, at just about everything (except offensive rebounding).

but as you can see,it's up for debate right?that guy i quoted said he is clearly better at everything...also rondos assist rate is higher as you can see, we Don't know if he is turning the ball over when he is passing, it could be while dribbling...Also who is better at rebounding without splitting it to two different types, and most important of all, are those last year stats? thank you.

Jaji
12-01-2011, 03:18 PM
Chris Paul is not better than Rondo.

Maybe 3 or 4 years ago he was. But not today and definitely not tomorrow.

Raph12
12-02-2011, 02:13 AM
but as you can see,it's up for debate right?that guy i quoted said he is clearly better at everything...also rondos assist rate is higher as you can see, we Don't know if he is turning the ball over when he is passing, it could be while dribbling...Also who is better at rebounding without splitting it to two different types, and most important of all, are those last year stats? thank you.

The only thing there up for debate, is passing and rebounding, and I already said he's a better offensive rebounder (not even close on the other end). If we're talking about passing, Rondo had guys like KG, Pierce, Ray, Baby, Green, JO, Shaq and shooters all over; CP3 had West, Ariza, Belinelli and Okafor. If you compare the offensive talents on both teams minus their PGs, it's not even close. Whether or not Rondo has a lot of turnovers while handling the ball (which I doubt) is irrelevant, the difference in the turnover #s are significantly higher (24+% for Rondo to 13+% for CP3) and the assist #s are close enough (47+% for Rondo to 45+% for CP3). I'd definitely say CP3 is better at passing and it isn't that close.

These are last season's stats, better at everything besides offensive rebounding; not trying to be a douche, just pointing out the truth.

Sadds The Gr8
12-02-2011, 02:15 AM
Shaq is the Rick Perry of NBA. Dumb as it gets.

Would that make you the Rick Perry of the NBA forum?

Corey
12-02-2011, 02:25 AM
Chris Paul is not better than Rondo.

Maybe 3 or 4 years ago he was. But not today and definitely not tomorrow.

:facepalm:

topdog
12-02-2011, 02:30 AM
Shaq doesn't know basketball. Shaq does know how to get attention.

JB0B0
12-02-2011, 03:05 AM
Love Shaq but that was quite frankly a stupidass remark.

basketfan4life
12-02-2011, 03:52 AM
The only thing there up for debate, is passing and rebounding
not trying to be a douche, just pointing out the truth.

and i said passing rebounding and steals are up for debate, we are not that far off..

no of course not, thanx for sharing...