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AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 08:28 PM
I think maybe it was in 2007 or 2008 when I was on this site and reading a poster who lived in Europe (i think maybe his screen name was Hellcrooner or sometime idr) who said that basketball is not popular in Europe and that people care tons more about soccer and rugby.

However its about 4 years later, and I am curious about basektball from an international perspective. Do you think basketball is the future sport of the world?

Will markets in the EU, China, India, North and South America, and Northern Africa be much more attracted to this sport in the future?

Or will soccer/rugby always be the focal sports of our generation in this world?

Will the NBA ever spread further into Canada (like Vancouver or Calgary or Montreal ) or perhaps even into Europe or Mexico City ?

Will future Olympic basketball be much much more competitive with emerging national teams in China and in Europe?

Let's discuss.

GodsSon
11-23-2011, 08:32 PM
It will never pass soccer on a global scale. Ever. It might not even pass cricket.

However, it is definitely in the top 3 in terms of global popularity and might make some more ground if their expansion into India goes over moderately well.

Arch Stanton
11-23-2011, 08:42 PM
Laser tag is the future sport of the world. Only because lasers are involved.

AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 08:44 PM
It will never pass soccer on a global scale. Ever. It might not even pass cricket.

However, it is definitely in the top 3 in terms of global popularity and might make some more ground if their expansion into India goes over moderately well.

Is cricket really currently more popular than basketball ?


I know they actually have some decent Indian prospects working out at IMF Academy right now. I feel that basketball has the most potential in terms of popularity right now rather than sports like football or baseball to make it into the top 2 with soccer.

AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 08:44 PM
Stupid.

Not sure if this is neccessary...

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 08:46 PM
In Europe they aren't forced to watch "College Football" like Americans are in the USA.

In Europe they watch a lot of sports.. Basketball, "soccer", Volleyball, track and field events, and plenty more sports. But in my opinion basketball is the second most popular sport in Europe, not talking about the world since I am not sure what's popular in Asia and Africa. But I assume there is a large market for basketball in Asia too since players are going there to play.

It's popular for sure I say 2nd most popular in the world.. Soccer takes the lead though..

I personally like basketball and soccer.. Two favorite.

Arch Stanton
11-23-2011, 08:46 PM
Where does Nascar fall? Is car racing popular abroad?

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 08:47 PM
Is cricket really currently more popular than basketball ?


I know they actually have some decent Indian prospects working out at IMF Academy right now. I feel that basketball has the most potential in terms of popularity right now rather than sports like football or baseball to make it into the top 2 with soccer.

I think Cricket in England is popular.. The countries in Europe that I visited didn't have cricket on tv at all..

AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 08:48 PM
In Europe they aren't forced to watch "College Football" like Americans are in the USA.

In Europe they watch a lot of sports.. Basketball, "soccer", Volleyball, track and field events, and plenty more sports. But in my opinion basketball is the second most popular sport in Europe, not talking about the world since I am not sure what's popular in Asia and Africa. But I assume there is a large market for basketball in Asia too since players are going there to play.

It's popular for sure I say 2nd most popular in the world.. Soccer takes the lead though..

I personally like basketball and soccer.. Two favorite.

I feel like soccer will never be surpassed by basketball, but in Europe, basketball definitely seems to be growing every single day. You think it is more popular than rugby ?

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 08:48 PM
Where does Nascar fall? Is car racing popular abroad?

:facepalm:

GodsSon
11-23-2011, 08:50 PM
Where does Nascar fall? Is car racing popular abroad?

I don't think anyone watches that crap aside from Americans and some Canadians lol. F1 racing, however, is pretty big in Europe and Asia.

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 08:50 PM
I feel like soccer will never be surpassed by basketball, but in Europe, basketball definitely seems to be growing every single day. You think it is more popular than rugby ?

Yes, Rugby was on TV in the European countries I went too, but basketball was a favorite..

But in Australia they have a different opinion about that..

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 08:51 PM
I don't think anyone watches that crap aside from Americans and some Canadians lol. F1 racing, however, is pretty big in Europe and Asia.

Yes F1 is popular.

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 08:54 PM
The sports we play is usually soccer, and basketball, occasionally you see people play volleyball.

But Basketball is becoming more and more popular.. Especially since the Euroleague has some good players playing.

GodsSon
11-23-2011, 08:55 PM
Is cricket really currently more popular than basketball ?


I know they actually have some decent Indian prospects working out at IMF Academy right now. I feel that basketball has the most potential in terms of popularity right now rather than sports like football or baseball to make it into the top 2 with soccer.

In terms of a global audience it's really big in certain countries with a HUGE population.

India
Pakistan
Bangladesh
England
Australia
South Africa

It's pretty big in the Caribbean too.

AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 08:55 PM
As an American, I could never understand the popularity of Nascar.

Maybe though its beacuse i live on the East Coast.

AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 08:57 PM
The sports we play is usually soccer, and basketball, occasionally you see people play volleyball.

But Basketball is becoming more and more popular.. Especially since the Euroleague has some good players playing.

Maybe its beacuse so many American players are going to Europe nowadays to play, but I feel like the Euroleague is really stepping up in terms of competition every single year.

I wonder if any Euroleague teams could beat NBA teams like the Nets or the Timberwolves.

GodsSon
11-23-2011, 08:57 PM
As an American, I could never understand the popularity of Nascar.

Maybe though its beacuse i live on the East Coast.

Ya, I have family in the Boston area and from what they've told me it's not popular there. When I think of people who like nascar, I think white, back-country hicks lol.

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 09:00 PM
Maybe its beacuse so many American players are going to Europe nowadays to play, but I feel like the Euroleague is really stepping up in terms of competition every single year.

I wonder if any Euroleague teams could beat NBA teams like the Nets or the Timberwolves.

Well last season for preseason games the Knicks played Milano in Italy and beat them, but they are highly competitive and are not soft like some Americans claim european players are.

Knicks played Marcabi Tel Aviv at the garden for preseason a few seasons ago as well.

Kashmir13579
11-23-2011, 09:01 PM
Soccer = past, present, and future.

AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 09:02 PM
i just think its more popular with the people in the South and Midwest... specifically in more rural areas and especially in Texas.


I think saying its only for backcountry "hicks" is kinda like saying basektball can only be played by "black people".

I'm sure the majority of people that watch Nascar are normal--just in different parts of the US from myself.

AndyfromNeptune
11-23-2011, 09:03 PM
Well last season for preseason games the Knicks played Milano in Italy and beat them, but they are highly competitive and are not soft like some Americans claim european players are.

Knicks played Marcabi Tel Aviv at the garden for preseason a few seasons ago as well.

HAHHA ME AND MY FRIENDS ALWAYS JOKE AROUND ABOUT HOW THE RABBI HAD TO COME DOWN TO CALM DOWN THE MACCABI TEL AVIV COACH.

THAT WUS SO FUNNYY.... i wus dyinggggg when he got kicked out of a pre-season game.

No, definitely it would be competitive. I mean honestly the pre-season doesn't really count for anything, but I am pretty sure I saw a couple Euroleague teams beat NBA teams last year. Don't recall who though.

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 09:06 PM
HAHHA ME AND MY FRIENDS ALWAYS JOKE AROUND ABOUT HOW THE RABBI HAD TO COME DOWN TO CALM DOWN THE MACCABI TEL AVIV COACH.

THAT WUS SO FUNNYY.... i wus dyinggggg when he got kicked out of a pre-season game.

No, definitely it would be competitive. I mean honestly the pre-season doesn't really count for anything, but I am pretty sure I saw a couple Euroleague teams beat NBA teams last year. Don't recall who though.

Lakers lost to Barcelona..

Yeah that was so funny. The coach didn't even want to leave after they asked him so many times. lol.

I've been to a Asseco Prokom vs. Panathinaikos game and it was all hustle and a competitive game.

Arch Stanton
11-23-2011, 09:12 PM
I don't think anyone watches that crap aside from Americans and some Canadians lol. F1 racing, however, is pretty big in Europe and Asia.

I could care less about Nascar but apparently it's one of the more watched sports in America.

D1JM
11-23-2011, 09:20 PM
Soccer = past, present, and future.

this

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 09:22 PM
this

obviously.......

D1JM
11-23-2011, 09:23 PM
the 2010 world cup had a revenue of 4 billion dollars. it's safe to say that soccer will stay popular.

PhillyFaninLA
11-23-2011, 09:23 PM
No chance the number one sport in the world is Futbol, number 2 probably baseball internationally its bigger then the US in many countries, number 3 I believe football is growing big enough and the desire for more international games is proof of that, number 4 basketball.

Futbol or soccer will always be number 1 because in many countries its part of the culture, people who hate sports in some countries still love their national soccer team.

Football I believe will become number 2 eventually.

Baseball I personally believe will hold onto the 3 spot but I think basketball could make a serious run at it.

PhillyFaninLA
11-23-2011, 09:25 PM
Not sure if this is neccessary...

18 posts doing that = alt account and someone not man enough to talk with there voice so they hide behind alts don't pay attention to that its why they do it.

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 09:28 PM
No chance the number one sport in the world is Futbol, number 2 probably baseball internationally its bigger then the US in many countries, number 3 I believe football is growing big enough and the desire for more international games is proof of that, number 4 basketball.

Futbol or soccer will always be number 1 because in many countries its part of the culture, people who hate sports in some countries still love their national soccer team.

Football I believe will become number 2 eventually.

Baseball I personally believe will hold onto the 3 spot but I think basketball could make a serious run at it.

Nevermind, use these >,< next time.

bmanjones
11-23-2011, 09:33 PM
No, never. Soccer will always dominate. I personally hate soccer, and really don't care what the rest of the world likes. #1= Football Americano #2= Baseball #3=Hockey #4=Basketball

PhillyFaninLA
11-23-2011, 09:34 PM
Nevermind, use these >,< next time.

No.

I'll use the format in my posts that I prefer. Also I'm not talking about greater then or less then I'm talking about popularity so it would be inaccurate but again I'll use the format I want in my post and you use the format you want in yours.

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 09:36 PM
No, never. Soccer will always dominate. I personally hate soccer, and really don't care what the rest of the world likes. #1= Football Americano #2= Baseball #3=Hockey #4=Basketball

And I hate Football Americano.. and baseball and hockey..

b0nk
11-23-2011, 09:44 PM
#1. basketball
#2. football
#3. baseball
#4. curling
#5. futbol

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 09:51 PM
Anyway. The atmosphere in a small arena (approximately 3000 people) I went to in Europe surpassed the the atmosphere you see at games even at the garden with 19000 plus people every game..

nyKnicks126
11-23-2011, 09:55 PM
and whenever I yell at the garden in the 300 sections people stare.. and whenever any true fan yells people again will stop watching the game and look towards them and stare....

NYKalltheway
11-23-2011, 10:10 PM
Doubt it is. It's not definitely #2 in Europe either. You'll hear different opinions, but you have Ice Hockey being played throughout central and northern Europe, as well as eastern and some parts of the west. (not that much in the south though, no ice or snowfall there)
Handball and volleyball are pretty popular. The further up you go, the more popular you'll find Handball to be, and the more south you go, the more volleyball you'll see (coz it has "beach volleyball" as well)
Rugby isn't that popular, mainly in the richer countries. Cricket is nowhere to be found outside England and a few other countries. Water polo is very popular in the Balkans, but still not top 3 sport in any country besides maybe Hungary.
Nobody plays NFL style "football" which people here call "american football" and very often confuse it with "rugby" or just call it "rugby" as they couldn't be arsed about either sport. In southwestern Europe they play Roller hockey which is basically hockey not played on ice.
Baseball is not popular at all in Europe. We use bats for self defense or hitting other people more often than hit a heavy ball... Netball and Lacrosse are sports only played in the United Kingdom, while if you move a little more to the west you'll find the sport of Curling which no ones gets.

As for soccer, was #1, is #1 and will always be #1 not only in Europe but overall in the world.

BuddhaMONK
11-23-2011, 10:37 PM
No chance the number one sport in the world is Futbol, number 2 probably baseball internationally its bigger then the US in many countries, number 3 I believe football is growing big enough and the desire for more international games is proof of that, number 4 basketball.

Futbol or soccer will always be number 1 because in many countries its part of the culture, people who hate sports in some countries still love their national soccer team.

Football I believe will become number 2 eventually.

Baseball I personally believe will hold onto the 3 spot but I think basketball could make a serious run at it.

you kidding rid baseball got dropped from the olympics because not enough countires played it didn't it?

Wilson
11-23-2011, 11:39 PM
If basketball is ever to compete with soccer, then serious cross-continent games HAVE to take place. The NBA has to establish more of a connection to other basketball leagues, because one league alone cannot overtake the Premier League, La Liga, Ligue 1, Serie A, Eredivise, Bundesliga AND the Champions League & Europa League. It's not possible. And I've not even mentioned all the other soccer leagues around the world, these are just the big European ones.

I think the fundamental way the American league is set up would have to change as well. With soccer in Europe, literally any city or town can have a team. You just need to start the team and work your way up through the league system. In America it is restricted to just 30 teams which limits growth a lot.

Uncle Sam
11-23-2011, 11:58 PM
Baseball needs a world mandate

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 12:39 AM
Baseball needs a world mandate

it's funny how the two most popular sports are in the Us, football, and baseball are both incredibly slow and boring.

Most popular sport in Canada...hockey...slow and boring

Most popular sport in the world...Soccer...slow and boring

Why do people like these slow, boring *** sports? Basketball is by far the most exciting mainstream team based sport out there.

Bramaca
11-24-2011, 01:25 AM
it's funny how the two most popular sports are in the Us, football, and baseball are both incredibly slow and boring.

Most popular sport in Canada...hockey...slow and boring

Most popular sport in the world...Soccer...slow and boring

Why do people like these slow, boring *** sports? Basketball is by far the most exciting mainstream team based sport out there.

Boring is a personal view. When somebody has been raised watching and playing a certain sport they find it anything but boring because they understand what is going on better and see the skill in it.

And describing hockey as slow is way off. Out of any team sport in the world it is probably the fastest pace by far.

Ty Fast
11-24-2011, 01:29 AM
is porn a sport??? cuz if it is nothing will pass that!!!

Bishnoff
11-24-2011, 01:35 AM
It will never pass soccer on a global scale. Ever. It might not even pass cricket.

However, it is definitely in the top 3 in terms of global popularity and might make some more ground if their expansion into India goes over moderately well.

Very good answer.

Bishnoff
11-24-2011, 01:36 AM
it's funny how the two most popular sports are in the Us, football, and baseball are both incredibly slow and boring.

Most popular sport in Canada...hockey...slow and boring

Most popular sport in the world...Soccer...slow and boring

Why do people like these slow, boring *** sports? Basketball is by far the most exciting mainstream team based sport out there.

It's all about the suspense.

Bramaca
11-24-2011, 01:36 AM
Outside of soccer being the number 1 sport I don't think there is a definitive #2. Basketball probably has the inside track on getting there. Hockey is up there as a top 1 or 2 sport in many countries and has a very competitive internationally but is probably at its limit for spreading due to it being a northern sport because of climate.

Football is likely never to be in the talk for worldwide popularity. Its the top sport in the US and the #2 sport in Canada and thats about it. You would be probably be hard pressed to find another country where it would be considered a top 10 sport.

sexicano31
11-24-2011, 02:01 AM
it's funny how the two most popular sports are in the Us, football, and baseball are both incredibly slow and boring.

Most popular sport in Canada...hockey...slow and boring

Most popular sport in the world...Soccer...slow and boring

Why do people like these slow, boring *** sports? Basketball is by far the most exciting mainstream team based sport out there.

Wat. Basketball is a sport with absolutely no parity

Anilyzer
11-24-2011, 02:15 AM
I think maybe it was in 2007 or 2008 when I was on this site and reading a poster who lived in Europe (i think maybe his screen name was Hellcrooner or sometime idr) who said that basketball is not popular in Europe and that people care tons more about soccer and rugby.

However its about 4 years later, and I am curious about basektball from an international perspective. Do you think basketball is the future sport of the world?

Will markets in the EU, China, India, North and South America, and Northern Africa be much more attracted to this sport in the future?

Or will soccer/rugby always be the focal sports of our generation in this world?

Will the NBA ever spread further into Canada (like Vancouver or Calgary or Montreal ) or perhaps even into Europe or Mexico City ?

Will future Olympic basketball be much much more competitive with emerging national teams in China and in Europe?

Let's discuss.

Soccer is huge, but is kind of slow paced for Americanos.

MMA is coming on strong, big time. Stick a fork in baseball, and pro Football I think is just a high-speed freakshow to most foreigners.

Basketball is great, but some hybrid variations would be even more popular, such as a big money pro 6' and under league, or a pro league with 11 foot hoops, or a full court 3 on 3 pro league, something like that.

considering the nature of the sport, there should be like at least two or three different basketball leagues out there, with variations of the sport. Maybe a variation where 3 pointers are worth 4 points and 2 pointers are worth 1 point or something like that... I don't know. Yeah, but I don't think the world will ever really go totally bonkers over 7' Yao Mings or Manute Bols or whatever.

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 02:34 AM
Boring is a personal view. When somebody has been raised watching and playing a certain sport they find it anything but boring because they understand what is going on better and see the skill in it.

And describing hockey as slow is way off. Out of any team sport in the world it is probably the fastest pace by far.

I meant to say just boring for hockey....the only part of hockey games worth watching is the last 10 min...

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 02:38 AM
Soccer is huge, but is kind of slow paced for Americanos.

MMA is coming on strong, big time. Stick a fork in baseball, and pro Football I think is just a high-speed freakshow to most foreigners.

Basketball is great, but some hybrid variations would be even more popular, such as a big money pro 6' and under league, or a pro league with 11 foot hoops, or a full court 3 on 3 pro league, something like that.

considering the nature of the sport, there should be like at least two or three different basketball leagues out there, with variations of the sport. Maybe a variation where 3 pointers are worth 4 points and 2 pointers are worth 1 point or something like that... I don't know. Yeah, but I don't think the world will ever really go totally bonkers over 7' Yao Mings or Manute Bols or whatever.

Americans love slow sports are you kidding me, football and baseball.....also mls has more viewers than the NBA (soccer is the third most watched sport in the us)...they also watch golf (fun to play, but watching it come on you have to have too much time on your hands to do that) I thank science everyday that my dad didn't raise me watching one of the lame sports.

Rocco Gandolfo
11-24-2011, 02:55 AM
No

Rocco Gandolfo
11-24-2011, 02:59 AM
I hate the lockout. We are continually bombarded with mindless threads like this.

heatbb
11-24-2011, 03:00 AM
Basketball will never contend with football.
It has the potential to be #2 in Europe (maybe it is, I'm not sure) and it seems to have a great future in the world with ex-developing countries getting more successful.

Anyone can tell me, what's fun about NASCAR and why do Americans prefer ovals over circuits?
(I've tried watching NASCAR twice. Fell asleep after ten minutes each time)

PacersForLife
11-24-2011, 03:12 AM
The NBA definitely has to be one of the top sports with the most variety of people from different countries. Baseball might be at the top, but if not then it is probably basketball.

PacersForLife
11-24-2011, 03:14 AM
Basketball will never contend with football.
It has the potential to be #2 in Europe (maybe it is, I'm not sure) and it seems to have a great future in the world with ex-developing countries getting more successful.

Anyone can tell me, what's fun about NASCAR and why do Americans prefer ovals over circuits?
(I've tried watching NASCAR twice. Fell asleep after ten minutes each time)

I don't really care about NASCAR now, but I used to watch it when I was younger. There is something about it that is exciting, the wrecks, the rivalries, I don't know what it is exactly. I think its almost pointless now, but I can see why people like it, even if the majority of fans are stupid rednecks.

PacersForLife
11-24-2011, 03:17 AM
Americans love slow sports are you kidding me, football and baseball.....also mls has more viewers than the NBA (soccer is the third most watched sport in the us)...they also watch golf (fun to play, but watching it come on you have to have too much time on your hands to do that) I thank science everyday that my dad didn't raise me watching one of the lame sports.

Being a basketball fan all my life, I think football and baseball, even soccer, are all boring and slow sports. No sport has the nonstop scoring and action of basketball.

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 03:35 AM
Being a basketball fan all my life, I think football and baseball, even soccer, are all boring and slow sports. No sport has the nonstop scoring and action of basketball.

exactly...basketball is the only sport where each team can score 40 + times a game...honestly the next most exciting sport is probably tennis lol

JEDean89
11-24-2011, 03:41 AM
theres a couple of indian centers that are monsters that are both projected to be 1st round picks next year. there will be solid growth in pretty much every continent, africa is going to be a gold mine for the nba. soccer is so big though, how can it get overtaken by anything? basketball may become second to it but i think soccer will reign supreme for the foreseeable future.

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 03:43 AM
theres a couple of indian centers that are monsters that are both projected to be 1st round picks next year. there will be solid growth in pretty much every continent, africa is going to be a gold mine for the nba. soccer is so big though, how can it get overtaken by anything? basketball may become second to it but i think soccer will reign supreme for the foreseeable future.

sim and tanveer buehller or whatever?

AndyfromNeptune
11-24-2011, 08:59 AM
I hate the lockout. We are continually bombarded with mindless threads like this.

..you know you don't have to click on the thread if you don't want to.

or make a thread of your own.

thank you.

abe_froman
11-24-2011, 09:22 AM
lol no.soccer owns the world like few things ever have

but 2 or 3? depends on how they play it(i hate stern,but gotta give him respect for how he's been able to grow the popularity of the sport abroad),i think it def has a shot

Hellcrooner
11-24-2011, 10:32 AM
soccer has a strong lead worlwide and its nto likely to lose it.
as wilson said every city has a soccer team, basket too in europe but in usa it would need to be reestructured in a very different way to gain more attention.

basket is the first sport in lithuania, and maybe israel.

is second in spain ( but f1 racing, motorbike racing,cycling, indoor soccer, , handball, skate hockey, or tennis are not far behind since we have competitive teams and world championship winning national teams in all of them).

Im quite sure england(scotland, wales, Ulster, Eire), Australia, NZ, france or italy would place Rugby over basketball too.
Nordic countrys and some exsovietic countrys woudl place ice hockey oever basket.

English colonys in asia would place cricket over basket.

Caribeaan central and south america is bout baseball ( in venezuela is 1 baseball 2 soccer 3 miss universe breeding 4 Basket)


I would say tough , that giving the variety of sports followed in the different countys its feasable that on average basket has the most followers overall behind soccer.

NYKalltheway
11-24-2011, 10:33 AM
lol no.soccer owns the world like few things ever have

but 2 or 3? depends on how they play it(i hate stern,but gotta give him respect for how he's been able to grow the popularity of the sport abroad),i think it def has a shot

This myth should stop... NBA does not represent global basketball.

South American and European basketball OUTDATE the NBA by a few DECADES...
The NBA plays LIMITED PART in the expansion of the sport's popularity. What the NBA does is attract FOREIGN FANS TO ITS OWN PRODUCT. Basketball fans that is... It does NOT CREATE basketball fans, it just attracts existing basketball fans of OTHER BASKETBALL LEAGUES.

iliketurtles24
11-24-2011, 10:52 AM
As an American, I could never understand the popularity of Nascar.

Maybe though its beacuse i live on the East Coast.

dude, you know there are tracks on the east coast right? while i know its kinda a southern sport, ignorance is not a good excuse

Philapsychosis
11-24-2011, 11:05 AM
I live in Europe. Nobody really cares. When the FIBA Euro league was going on, noone watched it.

You get people of course. You get people that like any "North American" sport. Basketball isn't that popular though. Hell, I feel like people care mor about handball than basketball haha

Hellcrooner
11-24-2011, 11:32 AM
I live in Europe. Nobody really cares. When the FIBA Euro league was going on, noone watched it.

You get people of course. You get people that like any "North American" sport. Basketball isn't that popular though. Hell, I feel like people care mor about handball than basketball haha

in germany definetly handball will be more followed i mean alba berlin usually is a bottom feeder in euroleague while Kiel has won handballs champions league several times adn national team wise handballs is an strong one ( not as much as sweden/France/spain tough) but better than in basket-.

Philapsychosis
11-24-2011, 11:36 AM
Yeah man, in Germany, Basketball is non existant except for maybe in Würzburg. I was in Barcelona, and they had F1 races on over a basketball game. Swiss love hockey over all. I saw some basketball love in France though. But it seems on a europe wide level there is not one singular sport but many other sports that each country loves instead of Basketball. It's like Basketball is there, but no one country is HUGE into it

Captain Moroni
11-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Being a basketball fan all my life, I think football and baseball, even soccer, are all boring and slow sports. No sport has the nonstop scoring and action of basketball.

That is great for you, and I don't mean to sound boorish when I say this but most people dont need sport to go 1000 miles an hour to enjoy it. Baseball has 162 games a year per team, and the stadiums are almost 3 times the size as NBA arena's. That alone shows you what most people think about the NBA. More people love baseball and football.

theheatles
11-24-2011, 12:05 PM
cricket really isn't that popular...it's only considered to be really popular because it's the national sport of india which contains 1/5 of the worlds population...top 5 really looks like..
1. soccer/football/fussball/futbol
2. basketball
3. baseball
4. tennis
5. golf

gwrighter
11-24-2011, 02:02 PM
probably not in our lifetime.

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 02:02 PM
That is great for you, and I don't mean to sound boorish when I say this but most people dont need sport to go 1000 miles an hour to enjoy it. Baseball has 162 games a year per team, and the stadiums are almost 3 times the size as NBA arena's. That alone shows you what most people think about the NBA. More people love baseball and football.

doesn't show anything.....the reason the stadiums are bigger is because the playing grounds are bigger (football is played on like 100 yards long fields or something)... I can watch a bit of baseball (by a bit I mean like 1 pitch) because I like all the strategy involved, but football bores the **** out of me, you have to be a ****** to be entertained by that garbage (why the **** does it take like an hour to play the last 4 minutes of a football game).

ink
11-24-2011, 02:05 PM
This myth should stop... NBA does not represent global basketball.

South American and European basketball OUTDATE the NBA by a few DECADES...
The NBA plays LIMITED PART in the expansion of the sport's popularity. What the NBA does is attract FOREIGN FANS TO ITS OWN PRODUCT. Basketball fans that is... It does NOT CREATE basketball fans, it just attracts existing basketball fans of OTHER BASKETBALL LEAGUES.

Agree.

gwrighter
11-24-2011, 02:08 PM
doesn't show anything.....the reason the stadiums are bigger is because the playing grounds are bigger (football is played on like 100 yards long fields or something)... I can watch a bit of baseball (by a bit I mean like 1 pitch) because I like all the strategy involved, but football bores the **** out of me, you have to be a ****** to be entertained by that garbage (why the **** does it take like an hour to play the last 4 minutes of a football game).

yeah there are way too many stoppages of play in football, so boring to wait in between. In basketball it would be like the coaches calling a 30 second time-out every damn possession. laaaammmeeee

the only exciting part in football for me is like the last minute when they play that hurry up offence.

ink
11-24-2011, 02:10 PM
I think maybe it was in 2007 or 2008 when I was on this site and reading a poster who lived in Europe (i think maybe his screen name was Hellcrooner or sometime idr) who said that basketball is not popular in Europe and that people care tons more about soccer and rugby.

However its about 4 years later, and I am curious about basektball from an international perspective. Do you think basketball is the future sport of the world?

Will markets in the EU, China, India, North and South America, and Northern Africa be much more attracted to this sport in the future?

Or will soccer/rugby always be the focal sports of our generation in this world?

Will the NBA ever spread further into Canada (like Vancouver or Calgary or Montreal ) or perhaps even into Europe or Mexico City ?

Will future Olympic basketball be much much more competitive with emerging national teams in China and in Europe?

Let's discuss.

I don't see how basketball could become the future sport of the world. There's too much of a split between the way the NBA and the rest of the world plays the game. At the pro level in the US it's all about ISO plays and individual athleticism. At the pro level everywhere else it's about the team. It's like two different sports. One is a show off league that attracts tons and tons of haters and fanboys (I realize it also attracts real basketball fans) and the other is a team-oriented league that attracts people who actually know and understand the sport. There's no doubt there are fanboys in the rest of the world but there are definitely not the same circus-type athletes all over the world, so the NBA especially will always be something of a freak show outside the US.

lakers4sho
11-24-2011, 02:17 PM
What about tennis? How does it fare popularity wise in Europe? Especially with Europeans dominating the sport and pitting countries against each other in the Davis Cup?

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 03:19 PM
yeah there are way too many stoppages of play in football, so boring to wait in between. In basketball it would be like the coaches calling a 30 second time-out every damn possession. laaaammmeeee

the only exciting part in football for me is like the last minute when they play that hurry up offence.

I'd reinvent football so that there's no stoppages and when someone gets tackled the play doesn't end ...it's a continous fight for the ball, when you score the other team gets it at half,etc.

ink
11-24-2011, 03:30 PM
I'd reinvent football so that there's no stoppages and when someone gets tackled the play doesn't end ...it's a continous fight for the ball, when you score the other team gets it at half,etc.

Kinda describing rugby (which US football evolved from in the late 1800s in Ivy League schools in the US).

Hellcrooner
11-24-2011, 03:49 PM
I'd reinvent football so that there's no stoppages and when someone gets tackled the play doesn't end ...it's a continous fight for the ball, when you score the other team gets it at half,etc.

you just described Rugby.

akia83
11-24-2011, 04:19 PM
soccer has a strong lead worlwide and its nto likely to lose it.
as wilson said every city has a soccer team, basket too in europe but in usa it would need to be reestructured in a very different way to gain more attention.

basket is the first sport in lithuania, and maybe israel.

is second in spain ( but f1 racing, motorbike racing,cycling, indoor soccer, , handball, skate hockey, or tennis are not far behind since we have competitive teams and world championship winning national teams in all of them).

Im quite sure england(scotland, wales, Ulster, Eire), Australia, NZ, france or italy would place Rugby over basketball too.
Nordic countrys and some exsovietic countrys woudl place ice hockey oever basket.

English colonys in asia would place cricket over basket.

Caribeaan central and south america is bout baseball ( in venezuela is 1 baseball 2 soccer 3 miss universe breeding 4 Basket)


I would say tough , that giving the variety of sports followed in the different countys its feasable that on average basket has the most followers overall behind soccer.

+1000

It may be different in Spain, but in France NBA>>>>>Euroleague, given we suck in this competition. Unlike other sports not named soccer, basketball seems to be the only game pretty popular in almost every country in Europe.

NYKalltheway
11-24-2011, 05:44 PM
cricket really isn't that popular...it's only considered to be really popular because it's the national sport of india which contains 1/5 of the worlds population...top 5 really looks like..
1. soccer/football/fussball/futbol
2. basketball
3. baseball
4. tennis
5. golf

I'm sorry but if you're gonna include individual sports here... Baseball is barely top 10 while Golf is barely top 15...

Top 5 from my basic research (includes Europe, North and South America and Asia, while I know 1-2 things about Africa but wouldn't argue for my knowledge on that over someone who knows his stuff there)

1. Football (aka soccer)
2. Tennis
3. Basketball
4. Field Hockey (that is Hockey on grass, popular in IndoChina, South America and Western Europe)
5. Volleyball/Ice Hockey/Table Tennis/Cricket(damn those Indians and commonwealth nations :D )

Golf is an unattractive "sport". Doesn't have many followers outside the USA and Canada. Baseball is a sport popular in the USA, Canada, the Carribean-Central America and northern part of South America - and Japan. So it surpasses sports like Water Polo and Handball combined, but guess who's Olympic Sports and who's not :p

If you consider car racing as sports, then #3 goes to F1 racing. Extremely popular in Europe and South America and in many parts of Asia.

Bishnoff
11-24-2011, 06:22 PM
cricket really isn't that popular...it's only considered to be really popular because it's the national sport of india which contains 1/5 of the worlds population...top 5 really looks like..
1. soccer/football/fussball/futbol
2. basketball
3. baseball
4. tennis
5. golf

Aside from India, Cricket is also extremely popular in Australia, England, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Zimbabwe, New Zealand; basically all the old British colonies other than the USA.

Cricket is more popular the Basketball, it's just not popular in the USA hence why most of you guys don't think that it's the 2nd most popular team sport in the world.

Some links for proof:

http://www.fanatix.com/worlds-top-most-popular-team-sports/

http://www.mostpopularsports.net/

http://knol.google.com/k/ten-most-popular-sports-in-the-world#

BuddhaMONK
11-24-2011, 06:36 PM
Kinda describing rugby (which US football evolved from in the late 1800s in Ivy League schools in the US).

except without all that lateral tossing bs the way the game is played would be like football...but without any downs.

Anilyzer
11-25-2011, 05:29 AM
Kinda describing rugby.

I'd reinvent rugby so that the players are like Abercrombie and J Crew models wearing turtlenecks and sweaters, cluster****ing in the middle of the field.

Oh wait...

abe_froman
11-25-2011, 05:41 AM
This myth should stop... NBA does not represent global basketball.

South American and European basketball OUTDATE the NBA by a few DECADES...
The NBA plays LIMITED PART in the expansion of the sport's popularity. What the NBA does is attract FOREIGN FANS TO ITS OWN PRODUCT. Basketball fans that is... It does NOT CREATE basketball fans, it just attracts existing basketball fans of OTHER BASKETBALL LEAGUES.

did i say nba represents all of basketball? dont jump to conclusions.

but stern(who yes is nba commish)did alot in growing the sport as whole

WHODAT8o8
11-25-2011, 06:48 AM
Soccer is So popular all over the world because it is so cheap to play.

NYKalltheway
11-25-2011, 09:03 AM
did i say nba represents all of basketball? dont jump to conclusions.

but stern(who yes is nba commish)did alot in growing the sport as whole

but how can you say that Stern grew the sport as a whole when his role is purely NBA commish? The sport was big enough already. Larry Bird and Magic Johnson made the sport grow, gave a greater public for Michael Jordan to emerge (unlike Dr J for example, who was similar player offensively)... Stern on the other hand has managed to have two lockouts(this one possibly season long) and made the NBA a laughing stock around the world. Don't think many people outside the USA care about the NBA. And not sure how many even care in the USA... And yes, this is where Stern's role comes to play.

Internationally, Lithuania's great performances in 2000 & 2004, Argentina winning gold in 2004 and Greece vs Spain final in 2006 is what makes basketball more popular in the world. Stern has nothing to do with it.

LegendX
11-25-2011, 12:56 PM
Where does Nascar fall? Is car racing popular abroad?

NASCAR is nothing in Europe or worldwide, in all honesty. Formula 1 trumps it with ease.


Also, basketball will never be on the level soccer is on.

AndyfromNeptune
11-25-2011, 01:10 PM
dude, you know there are tracks on the east coast right? while i know its kinda a southern sport, ignorance is not a good excuse

I never said there weren't tracks on the East coast.

I said in the North-East corridor where I live in New Jersey and basically the Tri-State area, Nascar is not popular at all.

Anilyzer
11-25-2011, 05:39 PM
NASCAR is nothing in Europe or worldwide, in all honesty. Formula 1 trumps it with ease.

NASCAR is a greqat video game. If u play NASCaR on ps3 or 360 you'll start to apreciate it more. F1 is too many hairpin turns it ges too slow in points. Nascar is wide open yee haw

montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 07:08 PM
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montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 07:12 PM
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montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 07:14 PM
exactly...basketball is the only sport where each team can score 40 + times a game...honestly the next most exciting sport is probably tennis lol



you know in cricket they score hundreds of points a game.

montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 07:23 PM
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montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 07:25 PM
I'd reinvent football so that there's no stoppages and when someone gets tackled the play doesn't end ...it's a continous fight for the ball, when you score the other team gets it at half,etc.

rugby?

montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 07:28 PM
Soccer is So popular all over the world because it is so cheap to play.

that's what's so great about soccer.

lakers4sho
11-25-2011, 07:50 PM
NASCAR is a greqat video game. If u play NASCaR on ps3 or 360 you'll start to apreciate it more. F1 is too many hairpin turns it ges too slow in points. Nascar is wide open yee haw

ew straightaway racing is boring

BuddhaMONK
11-25-2011, 07:59 PM
wow i love basketball and all but take off those homer goggles. i know we like basketball here, but to say basketball is non stop action is false.

have you ever watched the final 2 minutes of a basketball game? for a non fan it is one of the most annoying thing in sports. for a fan, its still pretty goddamn annoying.

basketball is the easiest sport to score in, so of course its going to have a lot of scoring...

have you ever watched the final 2 min of a football game....where did that hour of my life go

BuddhaMONK
11-25-2011, 08:00 PM
this sport already exists. its called rugby

no it's not because rugby has all sorts of rules which limit it...like lateral passing.

gilly
11-25-2011, 08:05 PM
Soccer is easily #1.

Rugby and basketball are #2a and #2b.

Cricket is #3.

Rugby is a seriously underrated sport. 80 minutes of NFL-level intensity with no protection is awesome. Unreal amount of physicality and skill required. I've played to a fairly decent standard and have a friend who is a professional and that **** is just ridiculous. I would come home from games with a limp, a black eye, a bloody nose, stud marks on my legs, tears in my UnderArmour, completely drenched in mud and would still maintain that I enjoyed it. It's a fantastic game that given the opportunity, American's would probably love.



I'd reinvent rugby so that the players are like Abercrombie and J Crew models wearing turtlenecks and sweaters, cluster****ing in the middle of the field.

Oh wait...

Watch a game of rugby before you spout this ******** please sir.

BuddhaMONK
11-25-2011, 08:37 PM
Soccer is easily #1.

Rugby and basketball are #2a and #2b.

Cricket is #3.

Rugby is a seriously underrated sport. 80 minutes of NFL-level intensity with no protection is awesome. Unreal amount of physicality and skill required. I've played to a fairly decent standard and have a friend who is a professional and that **** is just ridiculous. I would come home from games with a limp, a black eye, a bloody nose, stud marks on my legs, tears in my UnderArmour, completely drenched in mud and would still maintain that I enjoyed it. It's a fantastic game that given the opportunity, American's would probably love.




Watch a game of rugby before you spout this ******** please sir.

Football came from rugby...it's weird that rugby doesn't have the same popularity

evadatam5150
11-25-2011, 09:02 PM
In Europe they aren't forced to watch "College Football" like Americans are in the USA.

In Europe they watch a lot of sports.. Basketball, "soccer", Volleyball, track and field events, and plenty more sports. But in my opinion basketball is the second most popular sport in Europe, not talking about the world since I am not sure what's popular in Asia and Africa. But I assume there is a large market for basketball in Asia too since players are going there to play.

It's popular for sure I say 2nd most popular in the world.. Soccer takes the lead though..

I personally like basketball and soccer.. Two favorite.

I don't recall being forced to watch college Football or anything else for that matter.. It's called a choice, either you choose to watch or you don't.. I'm not sure how they handle things where you're from but Forced...?? LOL// WOW

BuddhaMONK
11-25-2011, 09:20 PM
I don't recall being forced to watch college Football or anything else for that matter.. It's called a choice, either you choose to watch or you don't.. I'm not sure how they handle things where you're from but Forced...?? LOL// WOW

he means it's like a religion for americans...kinda true you people are nuts...If the super bowl took place on monday there's no doubt that it would be a holiday.

montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 10:18 PM
have you ever watched the final 2 min of a football game....where did that hour of my life go

agreed.

montazingmvp
11-25-2011, 10:22 PM
Soccer is easily #1.

Rugby and basketball are #2a and #2b.

Cricket is #3.

Rugby is a seriously underrated sport. 80 minutes of NFL-level intensity with no protection is awesome. Unreal amount of physicality and skill required. I've played to a fairly decent standard and have a friend who is a professional and that **** is just ridiculous. I would come home from games with a limp, a black eye, a bloody nose, stud marks on my legs, tears in my UnderArmour, completely drenched in mud and would still maintain that I enjoyed it. It's a fantastic game that given the opportunity, American's would probably love.




Watch a game of rugby before you spout this ******** please sir.

rugby is definitely a bad *** sport. probably the most badass.

i just find it a bit strange to watch. seems very chaotic..

Anilyzer
11-25-2011, 11:51 PM
rugby is definitely a bad *** sport. probably the most badass.

i just find it a bit strange to watch. seems very chaotic..

I always feel like I'm watching a primitive tribe of islanders doing a traditional initiation rite when I watch rugby. Of course its great. But its so odd when they just stop suddenly, as if by agreement, and then one guy punts the ball, and they all cluster up again, like "heave ho, manly men, away we go ayonder" or somesuch thing

Anilyzer
11-25-2011, 11:57 PM
Like there is always a samoan guy called Bartholemew, and another player named "Scotty Jenkins" or something that has a dimpled chin and all the other lads rally around. Then its like "Sotty has done it! He's done it again"

Anilyzer
11-26-2011, 12:03 AM
never understood why some people describe american football this way. there is nothing high speed about am. football. you do realize when they're showing you that highlight of the 5 yard run over and over, or the touchdown that happened 10 minutes ago, there is literally nothing going on. the players are standing in a huddle scratching their *****.

football is one of the slowest sports in existence. there's a 40 second break between each play...

Those 10 seconds are played very, very fast though.

It's like splitting atoms at CERN. It takes a while to figure out what just happened

NYKalltheway
11-26-2011, 12:16 AM
Gilly, I'm assuming you're talking about either yourself or just about England.... No way Rugby is higher ranked than field hockey and volleyball (globally). And even baseball.

It's a sport played in UK & Ireland, Australia(and New Zealand who are top), South Africa, France, Italy, Spain (not much) and a little of South America(Argentina for sure, perhaps Urugay etc) but it's almost no where a top 2 sport except New Zealand but that's as good as calling Curling a top 2 sport in a country... :D Not even as popular as handball is in Europe.

AndyfromNeptune
11-26-2011, 01:39 AM
Personally I think basketball is going to come on really strong these next 5 years.

The Summer Olympics should do wonders for the sport and the potential of basketball popularity in China/India is absolutely incredible.

NYKalltheway
11-26-2011, 11:49 AM
What differences do the 2012 summer Olympics have from all the competitions since 1936 that should do wonders for the sport??

Wilson
11-26-2011, 12:04 PM
What differences do the 2012 summer Olympics have from all the competitions since 1936 that should do wonders for the sport??

Well basketball was already being pushed a lot over here a few years ago, then unfortunately the coverage disappeared when the economy collapsed. There were some pre-season games over here which created quite a bit of buzz.

Having some competitive basketball over here featuring some of the best players in the world could help push the sport a lot. People definitely seemed receptive to it when it was on TV a lot, so I think the Olympics could push it's popularity a lot.

My fingers are crossed that it will blow it's popularity up like it did in Spain all those years ago :p

AndyfromNeptune
11-26-2011, 12:11 PM
What differences do the 2012 summer Olympics have from all the competitions since 1936 that should do wonders for the sport??

Media coverage. Also I think more teams like China, Lithuania, Germany, Spain etc. etc. are much more competitive now than they ever were before.

And once again, media spotlight does wonders .

montazingmvp
11-27-2011, 10:44 PM
Media coverage. Also I think more teams like China, Lithuania, Germany, Spain etc. etc. are much more competitive now than they ever were before.

And once again, media spotlight does wonders .

The problem with this is that England's media is going to focus on the british medalists. that's who gets all the spotlight. And England is absolutely garbage at basketball, they'll have trouble winning any games, so they'll quickly lose any media attention they could potentially get.

I'm not saying basketball won't get media attention in the UK. It will. I'm just saying they won't get the same kind of attention as many other events, especially one's with british competitors who have a chance of getting a medal.

Wilson
11-27-2011, 10:49 PM
The media coverage for the Olympics is usually pretty even over here as far as I can remember. The BBC and Sky Sports will each have plenty of coverage and I'm sure ITV will have some. And the BBC and Sky Sports have both offered alternate feeds plenty of times before, where you can press a button on your remote and choose from any number of events going on.

It's not like any one sport will be pushed over any other, apart from soccer.

NYKalltheway
11-28-2011, 01:53 AM
Spain, Lithuania, Greece, France, Italy, Croatia, Serbia, Argentina, Brazil and a few other countries have amazing prospects... I do agree about media coverage, but what sucks is USA's dominance and the NBA's current setup which doesn't allow basketball to develop as well as other mainstream sports (which do not include baseball and american football btw)

lakers4sho
11-28-2011, 02:21 AM
What I don't like about where the NBA is going is that it seems to be promoting the necessity of superhuman athleticism to be considered "good".

NYKalltheway
11-28-2011, 02:59 PM
What I don't like about where the NBA is going is that it seems to be promoting the necessity of superhuman athleticism to be considered "good".

indeed... it turns off the mass public imo

Soccer is popular because it's the "people's sport", probably every soccer loving country uses this term. Coz you grow up kicking something, with a goal that you make up of something else, anywhere, anytime and no matter how many people there are.

Da Knicks
11-28-2011, 03:25 PM
Basketball will take over as the number 1 sport maybe in the next 10 years.

mlisica19
11-28-2011, 03:30 PM
Removed statement

ChiSoxJuan
11-28-2011, 03:38 PM
Soccer & Cricket are the world's most popular sports because the skill level to play them is not that great. There is a vast talent pool for teams to choose from to fill rosters. The same can be said for Rugby. That's not the case for both Basketball & American Football. As the talent thins the product on the court & field itself definitely suffers. You can see it in the game play.

That's why if anything is to challenge these "run around" games it's likely to be baseball. Baseball already has a World Cup now & it's showing growth in most regions of the world. If a nation as small as S Korea can support professional leagues, most other nations can as well. The fandom of baseball has proven that the sport does not suffer as the talent thins.

thenetslegend
11-28-2011, 03:43 PM
Basketball will take over as the number 1 sport maybe in the next 10 years.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

sixer04fan
11-28-2011, 03:48 PM
Gotta admit that basketball is really starting to increase in popularity in different countries all over the world, soccer-esque almost.

I just hope America stays on top of the sport.

mlisica19
11-28-2011, 04:10 PM
In America- Basketball is #3 in USA, Hockey is #4. Both are rapidly growing, but its more like tied for #3. MLS has grown its national attendance to beat NBA. Yet in Canada hockey is #1 by a long shot, then lax/football/soccer and bball and baseball tied practically. In Mexico, neither is in its mainstream of sports.


In Europe- I read somewhere that Football is #1 but Ice Hockey is #2. Makes sense with so many countries having hockey as #1 or top 3. Though countries like Spain/Italy/Greece/Turkey/France love its basketball... I can just name so many more countries. Countries that actually look as hockey as its pastime or top 2 sports rather than just being a mainstream.
Russia has hockey and soccer at 1a and 1b. Sweden/Norway/Finland have hockey in its top 3. You would think Germany loves basketball more, but actually hockey is in its top 3 right behind soccer. Austria has hockey as its top 3. Great Britain has neither hockey or basketball in its top 10 but hockey is said to be growing as an exciting pro "beer" league. Croatia hockey team is now larger than its basketball. France hockey is even growing from top 10 into the top 5 as they constantly make it to the elite division in World Hockey.


Asia loves its basketball more. South America too.


The question of which sport will be bigger in 10 years seems to still be basketball in 10 years (not that its a clear victory) but as far as basketball breaking into the #1 sport around the globe is ridiculous.

Look, Soccer/Football is loved (not enjoyed) LOVED by every country in the world. Even in America the sport is growing on an international and national standpoint. Soccer is every countries top 2 sport except America. But even in America they have several chanells showcasing the sport more than any other.

montazingmvp
11-28-2011, 10:27 PM
Soccer & Cricket are the world's most popular sports because the skill level to play them is not that great. There is a vast talent pool for teams to choose from to fill rosters. The same can be said for Rugby. That's not the case for both Basketball & American Football. As the talent thins the product on the court & field itself definitely suffers. You can see it in the game play.

That's why if anything is to challenge these "run around" games it's likely to be baseball. Baseball already has a World Cup now & it's showing growth in most regions of the world. If a nation as small as S Korea can support professional leagues, most other nations can as well. The fandom of baseball has proven that the sport does not suffer as the talent thins.

:facepalm:

NYKalltheway
11-29-2011, 02:11 AM
In America- Basketball is #3 in USA, Hockey is #4. Both are rapidly growing, but its more like tied for #3. MLS has grown its national attendance to beat NBA. Yet in Canada hockey is #1 by a long shot, then lax/football/soccer and bball and baseball tied practically. In Mexico, neither is in its mainstream of sports.


In Europe- I read somewhere that Football is #1 but Ice Hockey is #2. Makes sense with so many countries having hockey as #1 or top 3. Though countries like Spain/Italy/Greece/Turkey/France love its basketball... I can just name so many more countries. Countries that actually look as hockey as its pastime or top 2 sports rather than just being a mainstream.
Russia has hockey and soccer at 1a and 1b. Sweden/Norway/Finland have hockey in its top 3. You would think Germany loves basketball more, but actually hockey is in its top 3 right behind soccer. Austria has hockey as its top 3. Great Britain has neither hockey or basketball in its top 10 but hockey is said to be growing as an exciting pro "beer" league. Croatia hockey team is now larger than its basketball. France hockey is even growing from top 10 into the top 5 as they constantly make it to the elite division in World Hockey.


Asia loves its basketball more. South America too.


The question of which sport will be bigger in 10 years seems to still be basketball in 10 years (not that its a clear victory) but as far as basketball breaking into the #1 sport around the globe is ridiculous.

Look, Soccer/Football is loved (not enjoyed) LOVED by every country in the world. Even in America the sport is growing on an international and national standpoint. Soccer is every countries top 2 sport except America. But even in America they have several chanells showcasing the sport more than any other.


some interesting and valid points here. Only correction is that India doesn't have football/soccer as a top 2 sport. It's cricket and field hockey(their national sport) over there and then football.

P.S. I still don't get why the NFL sport is called Football... Only sport whose name doesn't make any sense :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo :D

Hellcrooner
11-29-2011, 02:23 AM
Gotta admit that basketball is really starting to increase in popularity in different countries all over the world, soccer-esque almost.

I just hope America stays on top of the sport.

if it goes soccer like its only a matter of time that usa is ONE of the best talent breeders but not dominating all the time.

kind of like soccer has Brazil winning world cups often but germany or italy do to and you never knwo when argentina, spain, france or england ar winning thiers.

It would also lead to make IMPOSIBLE a monoplistic league with all the best talent , it would get diluted in multiple national leagues like in soccer.

Making a NECESITY a basketball World Champions league to decide whos better.

NYKalltheway
11-29-2011, 03:24 AM
give me a shout when any sport other than football (aka soccer in 3-4 countries on this Earth) is the cause for the seperation of a whole country ;)

I think this can be attributed to the fact that since we don't have as many wars as in the past (Europe never had a decade without war in the last 10,000 years, at least) this "passion" has been transferred in sport, and most specifically the most popular and easy-to-understand sport around. The "people's sport".

3mikee_
11-29-2011, 03:33 AM
I really think the majority of the "indian" and western Asian prospects your seeing are North American born. Don't have the names to back it up, but that's just a hunch. I don't believe basketball is very big in that part of the world yet.

ChiSoxJuan
11-29-2011, 01:10 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues
As I said earlier: the "run around" games dominate the globe. If you think the greatest athletes on the planet are playing these games, guess again.

NYKalltheway
11-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Olympics are supposed to be the main sportive event of the world. Interesting thing is that in football(aka soccer in 3 countries) teams aren't allowed to field their best players but just players Under 23 years old. This is because the Olympics feel that if they allow the main players to be used, the tournament will be overshadowed by the Football Event.
This will NEVER happen with basketball or any other team sport

Tony_Starks
11-29-2011, 09:55 PM
Not of the world but definitely future sport of America. As far as excitement goes its right up there with football right now and a whole lot of people would easily take it over football as far entertainment value. Plus with all the side stories going on and Miami being the new "villain" its only going to get better.

Thats why both sides agreed to a 5 year opt out clause in the new cba. Its projected in about 5 years the league will be at a alltime level of popularity.....

Wilson
11-30-2011, 05:03 AM
some interesting and valid points here. Only correction is that India doesn't have football/soccer as a top 2 sport. It's cricket and field hockey(their national sport) over there and then football.

P.S. I still don't get why the NFL sport is called Football... Only sport whose name doesn't make any sense :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo :D

It makes plenty of sense. It's because it evolved from rugby, which was still called rugby football when it started being played in America. Our football (soccer) at that time was still mostly called association football, which is what soccer is short for. It just happens that Americans went with the name football whilst Europe went with rugby.

It's also worth noting that the word soccer was first used in England, and that's what many called the game when it started being played in America. So there. :p

DodgerBulls
11-30-2011, 05:09 AM
Where does Nascar fall? Is car racing popular abroad?

Car racing is very popular abroad, but Nascar not so much. Even growing up, I watch tons of F1. But Nascar, never saw it until I came here to the US. First race I saw, yawn. F1 however is a whole different story. Also, people ought to watch Endurance races.

montazingmvp
11-30-2011, 06:34 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues
As I said earlier: the "run around" games dominate the globe. If you think the greatest athletes on the planet are playing these games, guess again.

laugh:

supersimon10
11-30-2011, 07:01 AM
Basketball has not gained much popularity in Europe.
Want a good example of the dominance of soccer over everything else?
I am currently living in Madrid, Spain.
A few weeks ago, Spain won the Euro Championship, which is a pretty significant title.
Well in the sport news paper, the cover was a huge picture of Brazilian soccer player Neymar, because of another stupid rumor "I'm going/not going to Real Madrid/Barcelona" and in the top right corner, a small picture of Spanish players with their brand new trophy.
USA is probably the only big and rich country in the world that is not into soccer. And as I can see, this is also changing (we used to laugh at your soccer team, that is not the case anymore).
Rugby is just about big international tournament, other than that people don't really follow it, maybe in some countries like South Africa, Australia, France and UK.
But really, soccer will never be passed up, people will rather go to an amateur soccer tournament then go see a professional game of basketball, volleyball, rugby or so. I'm not even metionning cricket as it's only played in very few countries, just like curling or baseball.
Other example, in Belgium, I can watch on TV every weekend: Spanish, English, French, German, Italian and even Brazilian soccer (or even a NBA game twice a week) while other sports are on just if the national team is involved or if this is a really important game/competition.
Hope I summed it up well ;)

gilly
11-30-2011, 07:15 AM
Soccer & Cricket are the world's most popular sports because the skill level to play them is not that great. There is a vast talent pool for teams to choose from to fill rosters. The same can be said for Rugby.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

You are an ignorant fool sir, I know for a fact that soccer is the HARDEST sport to become professional in because I could have become one. And I know that it is extremely difficult to get spotted (you have to play for a good team in the right geographical area with local professional teams that are dedicated to scouting the areas). Once you're spotted, you must go through a trial, which often are full of 100+ good players at your age bracket who are competing for 15 or so places in the academy. Then, once you're in the academy, you have to play well in the academy, then move up to the reserves, and eventually break into the first team past players that have been purchased for millions and millions of pounds. It probably couldn't be harder to be a professional soccer player.

NYKalltheway
11-30-2011, 07:39 AM
Are you ****ing kidding me?

You are an ignorant fool sir, I know for a fact that soccer is the HARDEST sport to become professional in because I could have become one. And I know that it is extremely difficult to get spotted (you have to play for a good team in the right geographical area with local professional teams that are dedicated to scouting the areas). Once you're spotted, you must go through a trial, which often are full of 100+ good players at your age bracket who are competing for 15 or so places in the academy. Then, once you're in the academy, you have to play well in the academy, then move up to the reserves, and eventually break into the first team past players that have been purchased for millions and millions of pounds. It probably couldn't be harder to be a professional soccer player.

don;t worry man, people who say that have never kicked a ball in their life ;)

Foye
11-30-2011, 07:59 AM
Soccer is and will always be the most popular sport in the world.

montazingmvp
11-30-2011, 08:11 AM
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raiderNlakerfan
11-30-2011, 08:23 AM
Helllllz naw.. Soccer is and always will be the worlds sport. It unifies people,countries. Its amazing

JDMVP
11-30-2011, 08:52 AM
It might be lol but I know SOCCER will still and always be the worlds number 1 sport!
Unless Europeans try to finally idk TRY another sport.... then it might get more popularity. People in EUROPE will WORLD WAR if there was ever like a LOCKOUT type thing that happen in world of FUTBOL. Thats how crazy they are for the sport!

NYKalltheway
11-30-2011, 09:05 AM
It might be lol but I know SOCCER will still and always be the worlds number 1 sport!
Unless Europeans try to finally idk TRY another sport.... then it might get more popularity. People in EUROPE will WORLD WAR if there was ever like a LOCKOUT type thing that happen in world of FUTBOL. Thats how crazy they are for the sport!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

we have over 100 sports over here

Anilyzer
11-30-2011, 04:53 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me?

You are an ignorant fool sir, I know for a fact that soccer is the HARDEST sport to become professional in because I could have become one. And I know that it is extremely difficult to get spotted (you have to play for a good team in the right geographical area with local professional teams that are dedicated to scouting the areas). Once you're spotted, you must go through a trial, which often are full of 100+ good players at your age bracket who are competing for 15 or so places in the academy. Then, once you're in the academy, you have to play well in the academy, then move up to the reserves, and eventually break into the first team past players that have been purchased for millions and millions of pounds. It probably couldn't be harder to be a professional soccer player.

I happen to know that being a male pornstar working with Jenna Jamison is the hardest sport to become a professional in. I know this because I could have become one.

btw, I've watched some of those organized adult soccer league games at the park once in a while, and I'm pretty sure that every guy out there thinks he is some kind of Maradona or something. Like one guy will score and start running around going *whhhhoooooooo* and his own teammates are barely disguising their anger and jealousy, like "that bendejo got a lucky shot" or whatever. Or else they swarm him in celebration but are probably punching him under the pile or hoping his leg breaks or something.

ChiSoxJuan
11-30-2011, 06:15 PM
gilly:I know for a fact that soccer is the HARDEST sport to become professional in because I could have become one.

I can't stop laughing! Really, I'm cracking up at that absurdity! Never mind the fact that there are literally 1000's of professional soccer teams across the globe. Have you ever actually played the game? Please enlighten me to the athelticism you displayed. Please enlighten me to where hand & eye coodination factor in the game. Please enlighten to me as to when the ball travels at 90+ mph. Better yet, why don't you share with us the avg career length of soccer players on these 1000's of teams.

The avg career length for a RB in the NFL is about 2.6 yrs. The avg career length for any player in the NFL is about 3.3 yrs. Do you know why? No, it's not due to injuries. It's due to talent. Those that barely make it in yrs 1 & 2 are usually flushed out by yrs 3 & 4 because they just aren't quick enough. The NFL is the fastest sport on earth. Do you know why? Because the speed in the NFL isn't measured by a time clock. It's measured by FORCE. Football is about dexterity, strength, endurance, arm strength, leg strength, balance, speed, coordination, & just about every other athletic skill you can think of. That's why the best athletes in the world play the sport. You can't get a rush from any other sport like you do in football.

After the NFL, comes MLB. It doesn't matter how hard you work at this sport. If you are not blessed with god given talent to hit a 90+ mph fastball you can't play it. While I would never compare it's athleticism to that of the NFL, I don't have any doubt that there are more people in this world capable of kicking a soccer ball at a professional level than there are MLB hitters. It's the exclusivity of skills that make it so hard to play at the professional ranks. When was the last time you heard a soccer player referred to as a 5-tool player? Do soccer players even make use of 5 major skills in playing the game?

After MLB, comes the NBA. Again, speed is what weeds out the players the most. As wear & tear attacks the body each yr, player's lose speed on the court. That's why the avg career length of the NBA is just about double that of the NFL & that's even after the no hand check & no body check rules have become a part of the sport again.

After the NBA, comes the NHL. Being a good skater is not as hard as it looks. It's somewhat like riding a bike. You can learn do to it well with practice. If you can do it with strength & possess professional level speed you can play a role in the NHL. To excel at a skilled position you have to have something of a quick release on faceoffs & snap shots.

I bet you think soccer comes next. Nope. Lacrosse.

Of course there's Arena Football as well.

I would put soccer after that. It definitely takes more athletic skill than golf.

ChiSoxJuan
11-30-2011, 06:20 PM
So in summary, soccer & cricket will likely remain the world's top professional sports mainly because the skill set to play these sports is not as rare as that of the NFL, MLB, NBA, & NHL. If you disagree then at least make an argument based on the ACTUAL play of the game & not because you were weeded out in your efforts to play it :)

keymax
11-30-2011, 07:12 PM
gilly:I know for a fact that soccer is the HARDEST sport to become professional in because I could have become one.

I can't stop laughing! Really, I'm cracking up at that absurdity! Never mind the fact that there are literally 1000's of professional soccer teams across the globe.

This is such a flawed argument. Of course there are thousands of professional soccer teams. But you just implied that playing in the second Austrian league is comparable to playing for Manchester United. You can't compare a league that has a worlwide monopoly like MLB or the NFL with worldwide soccer. It just doesn't work that way.

ChiSoxJuan
11-30-2011, 07:51 PM
You soccer fans are a joke. You have no capacity to argue skill sets required by the sport or the degree of athleticism required to play it. You've clearly lost any general argument suggesting it's a harder sport to play.

So where are you reaching now? Focusing on just 1 soccer team: Manchester United.
Congratulations! You win that argument! A very limited # of jobs & 10's of 1000's of applicants wanting to play for them.

There just aren't that many applicants capable of even dreaming about playing for the Pats, Yanks, Lakers, or Redwings.

NYKalltheway
11-30-2011, 07:58 PM
So in summary, soccer & cricket will likely remain the world's top professional sports mainly because the skill set to play these sports is not as rare as that of the NFL, MLB, NBA, & NHL. If you disagree then at least make an argument based on the ACTUAL play of the game & not because you were weeded out in your efforts to play it :)

well, you clearly have no spherical knowledge of sports. Perhaps you know American sports really well, but you're way off when it comes to international stuff.

First of all, we don't have anything like the draft and nobody cares about school/college games. Everything is promoted within the club itself from ages 5 to 17 or whatever... Hence, it's easier to be seen by a scout than let's say HS basketball because basically you're already part of a team. Thing is, there are so many people in the same situation as you. There's no such thing as "professional sports". All sports are OPEN TO ALL. You can have a team that has unpaid players compete against the highest earning players' team in an official competition. There are no limits. This happens to ALL SPORTS btw, not just soccer.


Soccer and cricket (not sure if I'd say it's 2nd or somewhere close to that but I'll just go along) are more popular than basketball because you don't need much to play. Soccer is the simplest sport.

You can play all sorts of games.

This is a small list that I came up while writing this post:

1) 11 vs 11, just like normal
2) 5 vs 5, in more limited space
3) 7 vs 7, with different rules (eg goal = 4pts, corner = 1pt... English pickup game iirc)
4) 5 people, 2 vs 2 with 1 goalie on no one's side
5) headers... just head the ball till it falls, nothing else allowed. Basically passing the ball with your head
6) foot volley... kick the ball and not let it go down. Can either play just for fun, or play with teams of two or three or doesn't matter
7) joker... 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 game or doesn't matter, with a goalie on no one's side, different rules than random 2 vs 2 etc
8) Wall... you are by yourself and kick the ball on the wall, one touch only allowed, if you fail to hit the wall or if you touch the ball twice, you're eliminated. Really fun with 3-6 participants. Too bad for the wall that needs a good painting after that
9) pig in the middle... there's one person or two (depending on participants) that tries to stop the flow of the passing. One or two touches allowed only otherwise the "pig" is replaced
10) crossing... just pick up game where someone would cross the ball so that the other person would score, nothing at stake here just pure fun
11) ball control skills... just for fun. You just hit the ball till it hits the ground. eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1XakxtXeq8
12) freestyle (doubles ;p)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtaMhHuoVis
13) around the world.... similar to the basketball game but shooting from further away and with a goalie present(or not)

There are way more depending on where you live or how you were raised, but there's no way you can do anything like that with a basketball or any other sport.

Some people act as if we have to apologise for electing to have football(aka soccer) in our lives just because they can't approve the world's people's sport :eyebrow:

keymax
11-30-2011, 08:07 PM
You soccer fans are a joke. You have no capacity to argue skill sets required by the sport or the degree of athleticism required to play it. You've clearly lost any general argument suggesting it's a harder sport to play.

So where are you reaching now? Focusing on just 1 soccer team: Manchester United.
Congratulations! You win that argument! A very limited # of jobs & 10's of 1000's of applicants wanting to play for them.

There just aren't that many applicants capable of even dreaming about playing for the Pats, Yanks, Lakers, or Redwings.

Because the athletic skill sets aren't comparable at all. And I've never argued it's harder. You don't need freakish verticals or 40 times(although that helps) to be a succesful soccer player. The skillset required is ball control, anticipation, positioning and accuracy. Most of this talent is god given or learned within years of experience.

And my argument wasn't Man Utd. It was just an example how significant the dropoff is between professional soccer leagues/teams although everything is called "professional soccer". It's like lumping together the NFL and high school football.
Again you can't compare a league that has a worldwide monopoly like the NFL to a sport where basically every city worldwide has some sort of a professional team. Of course the available talent is more spread out.

NYKalltheway
11-30-2011, 08:07 PM
You soccer fans are a joke. You have no capacity to argue skill sets required by the sport or the degree of athleticism required to play it. You've clearly lost any general argument suggesting it's a harder sport to play.

Athetlicism? No thanks. I'd rather need SKILLS. As for the level of skills required, if you had any knowledge of sports, you'd accept that it's the harder sport to excel at. If not, then I'll pay you myself $15,000,000 if you sign for a top team and become a star instantly (assuming I become your agent) because you gotta be really really good to have that kind of optimism.


So where are you reaching now? Focusing on just 1 soccer team: Manchester United.
Congratulations! You win that argument! A very limited # of jobs & 10's of 1000's of applicants wanting to play for them.

# of jobs?? wtf? We're talking sports here not $$$ :rolleyes:
I guess you're used to confusing sports with money as you were raised thinking of sports as a business. hence the overuse of the term "professional sports"

Manchester United, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Barcelona, Internazionale, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Juventus and Chelsea all combined are more famous than all American teams combined (where I'd guess the most popular American teams would be Lakers, Bulls and Celtics followed by Yankees, and you can only thank HOLLYWOOD for people even knowing that the Yankees is a sports team and not a derogatory term for Americans.. ;) )


There just aren't that many applicants capable of even dreaming about playing for the Pats, Yanks, Lakers, or Redwings.

Applicants? :laugh: You're cracking me here!

Pats? Never herad of them... I'm assuming neither has the 95% of the world.
Yanks? No thanks, I don't like baseball and neither does the 80% of the world's population. The 15% of the world's population doesn't even know what baseball is.
Lakers? I'd really like that if I were getting a big fat salary but I'm not that good at basketball and not that tall to have dreams of playing for a basketball team. Plus, I'd rather play for the team that I support over here than the Lakers if it's for the same money.
Redwings? I only know them through NHL video games, I have no dreams of playing for them nor have any dreams of playing ice hockey.

My dream was to play for Barcelona in football... (soccer for you I guess) Guess that can't happen though, but you could achieve that dream for me being it so easy for you.

ChiSoxJuan
11-30-2011, 08:19 PM
I don't think you guys even know what you are debating now :) A crazy soccer fan said that soccer was the HARDEST sport to play. The last 3 posts clearly by soccer fans have shown strong reasons to dispute that. Of course my post which actually listed the skills & degrees of athleticism required to play the 4 major American sports obliterated that idea.

So what is the debate now? That soccer & cricket are the world's 2 most popular sports because they are 1) simple to play, 2) simple to follow? That's what I've been saying all along. Welcome aboard!

You're MU analogy is similar to comparing the NYY's to the best in Korea & Japan. There is no comparison. I fail to see how that proves soccer is the HARDEST sport to play.

keymax
11-30-2011, 08:30 PM
You're MU analogy is similar to comparing the NYY's to the best in Korea & Japan. There is no comparison. I fail to see how that proves soccer is the HARDEST sport to play.

Because you compare let's say the NBA(and not professional basketball as a whole) to the entire world of professional soccer.
Just for argument's sake:
The English Premier League(which is arguably the NBA of professional soccer) has roughly(because there are no limitations how many players a team can carry on their roster at least AFAIK) 500 available 'jobs'. With literally hundreds of millions of 'applicants'. So your entire argument that is entirely focused on American sports loses its merit completely.

Again I've never said that it was the hardest from an athletic standpoint. Becuase the skillset required isn't comparable to other sports.
The only comparable sports in my eyes are cricket and baseball. But I don't know anything about cricket, since I am an ignorant American ;)

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11-30-2011, 08:53 PM
Because you compare let's say the NBA(and not professional basketball as a whole) to the entire world of professional soccer.
Just for argument's sake:
The English Premier League(which is arguably the NBA of professional soccer) has roughly(because there are no limitations how many players a team can carry on their roster at least AFAIK) 500 available 'jobs'. With literally hundreds of millions of 'applicants'. So your entire argument that is entirely focused on American sports loses its merit completely.

Again I've never said that it was the hardest from an athletic standpoint. Becuase the skillset required isn't comparable to other sports.
The only comparable sports in my eyes are cricket and baseball. But I don't know anything about cricket, since I am an ignorant American ;)

big fail

champions league = nba.

the national leagues are not comparable, ( and for your info Spanish, Italian league are on par , sometimes slighlty better sometimes slighlty worse to EPL).

keymax
11-30-2011, 08:57 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

1.England
2.Spain
3.Germany
4.Italy

The dropoff between 1,2,3 and 4 is pretty significant.

montazingmvp
11-30-2011, 10:16 PM
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montazingmvp
11-30-2011, 10:17 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

1.England
2.Spain
3.Germany
4.Italy

The dropoff between 1,2,3 and 4 is pretty significant.

still closer than any int'l team is to US basketball...

montazingmvp
11-30-2011, 10:20 PM
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montazingmvp
11-30-2011, 10:24 PM
I don't think you guys even know what you are debating now :) A crazy soccer fan said that soccer was the HARDEST sport to play. The last 3 posts clearly by soccer fans have shown strong reasons to dispute that. Of course my post which actually listed the skills & degrees of athleticism required to play the 4 major American sports obliterated that idea.

So what is the debate now? That soccer & cricket are the world's 2 most popular sports because they are 1) simple to play, 2) simple to follow? That's what I've been saying all along. Welcome aboard!

You're MU analogy is similar to comparing the NYY's to the best in Korea & Japan. There is no comparison. I fail to see how that proves soccer is the HARDEST sport to play.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not. is english your second language?

oh and soccer is quickly passing baseball in japan, already has in korea...you mad?

he's clearly saying that soccer is the hardest to make it as a successful professional. not that its the hardest sport to run outside and start a pickup game...:face palm:

lol your entire premise was based on your opinion. strong proof.


"american football players and basketball players are simply the best athletes. the skill sets are simply better and harder to develop than in soccer."

let's just leave it at, you watch the nba and nfl regularly so you are familiar with the athleticism and skill in these sports. meanwhile you rarely if ever watch soccer...you honestly think you can make a fair comparison...

brb gonna run into physics department and tell them why string theory is bogus, even though i don't know what it is...this is exactly what you're doing...

montazingmvp
11-30-2011, 10:29 PM
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ChiSoxJuan
11-30-2011, 10:39 PM
I think we put to rest which is the hardest sport to play. That's undoubtedly the NFL. The avg career length, dictionary size playbooks, & just overall speed of the plays makes that abundantly clear.

You might be surprised to know that there are high school leagues playing American football in both Russia & Japan. Looking solely at youth sales, football leads all other sports in vg's. That is part due to NCAAF being more popular sales wise than NCAAB. At the pro level MLB sales still exceed the NBA, but the NBA exceeds the NHL.

All that really proves though is that these American sports are on the rise in popularity. That doesn't mean soccer is showing any signs of decline. I can't imagine it giving up #1 any time soon. New generations are born into soccer fan families much more so than any other sport on the planet. Cricket on the other hand is more of a relic of the Old British Empire. As that continues to shrink in influence I could see those regions take to baseball. Cricket is the precursor to baseball.

I've seen enough World Cup games in my day to be able to assess the skill level in the game. I'm not sure why you chose to mention string theory but since you seem clueless on that as well, it's Einstein's unifying theory of physics to help resolve the major differences between quantum & mechanical physics observations.

Hellcrooner
11-30-2011, 11:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

1.England
2.Spain
3.Germany
4.Italy

The dropoff between 1,2,3 and 4 is pretty significant.

HISTORY


Rank League Total
1 La Liga 15
2 First Division /
Premier League 14
3 Serie A 13
4 Bundesliga 10


Second

English teams have not sniffed the champions league for three straight years.

Actually they best representant ( mufc ) has ben completely ANIHILATED TWICE By barcelona, who has also ridiculed Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc on teh way to winning 3 , out of the 6 trophys.

So, dont come up with ANGLOPHILE crap.

the only thing EPL has over theo ther league s is TONS OF PUBLICITY; MARKETING AND MERCHANDISIGN CRAP, on enlgish speaking countrys.



Oh yeah almost forgot.

the top 4 player sin the world play in SPAIN, then you got Sjneider playing in italy, so the best epl has is 6th best, and thats debatable.

Hellcrooner
11-30-2011, 11:30 PM
btw chisoxjuan.

you knwo somethign funny?

there is THOUSENDS of PRO TEAMS of BASKETBALL in soutamerica, asia, and europe

You know?

AS MANY AS SOCCER TEAMS.


Because we have somethinv called VERTICAL DIVISIONS:


SO, making it to the nba is like making it to one of the top 30 teams of soccer in the world

BUT YOU CAN BE A PRO, playing for venezuelan third division team X

Oh btw you are also a pro yf you play in the nbdl , or continentab B asotiacion, or the new Aba etc etc etc.


and now comes something funny

the competition to get there as a PRO ( better or worse pro, with more or less quality on a better division or lower division team)

80% of kids in the world try to become soccer players.

20% of the kids in the world try to become Basket players.

Tell me hwats easier? beating 7 out of 8 or 3 out of 4?
+

Miami Heat
11-30-2011, 11:37 PM
basketball won't surpass football (soccer)

/thread

NYKalltheway
11-30-2011, 11:44 PM
So, dont come up with ANGLOPHILE crap.

the only thing EPL has over theo ther league s is TONS OF PUBLICITY; MARKETING AND MERCHANDISIGN CRAP, on enlgish speaking countrys.



Oh yeah almost forgot.

the top 4 player sin the world play in SPAIN, then you got Sjneider playing in italy, so the best epl has is 6th best, and thats debatable.

:clap:

(off topic) Zlatan is a top 4 player btw, ahead of Iniesta imo. EPL fights for #7 but still debatable :D

It's laughable seeing some posts here from a particular member lately. There are over 100 sports being played in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia and he keeps implying that it's 100% football(soccer)

ChiSoxJuan
11-30-2011, 11:50 PM
Hc, there are 1000's of pony leagues, independant leagues, & non MLB affiliated leagues that feature professionals playing baseball around the world. I fail to see how that says anything about the skill set or athleticism required to play a sport.

At some point you have to draw a line on what qualifies as a professional. There are professional woman only football (not soccer) teams. If you include them in the football equation you're just being silly now.

I'm sure you pulled your 80/20 #'s out of your butt, but stop & think about those #'s if they were real. Why would 80% of kids in the world try to become professional soccer players? Because the skill set & athleticism required to play the sport make that dream possible.

NYKalltheway
12-01-2011, 12:04 AM
Hc, there are 1000's of pony leagues, independant leagues, & non MLB affiliated leagues that feature professionals playing baseball around the world. I fail to see how that says anything about the skill set or athleticism required to play a sport.

At some point you have to draw a line on what qualifies as a professional. There are professional woman only football (not soccer) teams. If you include them in the football equation you're just being silly now.

I'm sure you pulled your 80/20 #'s out of your butt, but stop & think about those #'s if they were real. Why would 80% of kids in the world try to become professional soccer players? Because the skill set & athleticism required to play the sport make that dream possible.


skill set?

A 5 year old can shoot and dribble a basketball... he could beat anyone in a shootout if he's good enough.

You can't do that with football(soccer) when you're 5 years old against kids 10 years old, let alone teenagers or adults...

You are very misinformed about the sport mate. It is the most popular sport because it EXPRESSES people, not because it's "easy" and requires "no skill" as you claim. When you learn about socieities outside the USA & Canada, please share with us your opinion. Otherwise, you'll be getting this type of responses all day long.

b0nk
12-01-2011, 12:15 AM
soccer and different forms of it has been around for much much longer. a sport like basketball has only been around for what a 100 years and some change

Hellcrooner
12-01-2011, 12:18 AM
Hc, there are 1000's of pony leagues, independant leagues, & non MLB affiliated leagues that feature professionals playing baseball around the world. I fail to see how that says anything about the skill set or athleticism required to play a sport.

At some point you have to draw a line on what qualifies as a professional. There are professional woman only football (not soccer) teams. If you include them in the football equation you're just being silly now.

I'm sure you pulled your 80/20 #'s out of your butt, but stop & think about those #'s if they were real. Why would 80% of kids in the world try to become professional soccer players? Because the skill set & athleticism required to play the sport make that dream possible.

because there are no stupid limiting rules bout your salary in soccer.

Lebron can make a max of 20 somethhing million dollars, thats it.

messi can make WHATEVER THe **** a club can offer him.

thats a good reason.

You clearly have no idea, any doped moron with a freak body can make an nfl /nba squad.

It takes you to have absolute cordination of your body and a good brain to make a soccer squad.


btw, do yo know whay kobe and nash have great foot skills and court vision?

he he he he

BKLYNpigeon
12-01-2011, 12:34 AM
Basketball is up in coming in terms of global popularity. but nothing will top Soccer.

At the Last World Cup over 1 BILLION people were watching. thats about 25% of the world. when the World Cup is being played, the world stops to watch, banks businesses close early, Wars stop fighting, the world murder rate goes wayyyy down.

Soccer is a beautiful game. its a true team sport in its purest form. I wished this country embraced it more.

BKLYNpigeon
12-01-2011, 12:39 AM
Lionel Messi is also 5' 6" and probably the greatest player of this generation.

you dont have to be 6' 7" 250 lbs and a 40in vertical. its all about skills.

montazingmvp
12-01-2011, 03:44 AM
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AndyfromNeptune
12-01-2011, 04:32 AM
A billion people really watch the World Cup ??


That is absolutely astounding.

Basketball will never ever overtake soccer in my lifetime, but I personally think 30 years from now, it will be number 2.

Anilyzer
12-01-2011, 08:41 AM
skill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdorO5lUwgU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_2TivFtJt8

Speed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4CJb7ouStM

Power:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdq15YErCiA&feature=related

Accuracy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwElXiKhuA

I mean, honestly, there is soccer skill, like "wow, that guy is really skillful at kicking the ball, he has really fancy footwork, he has really quick feet and agility"

but that is kind of on a different level than what NBA superstars can do. I mean, try doing that stuff playing 10 feet off the ground at high speed collisions at the rim. It's just a different world.

I mean, if I see the fastest Riverdance guy, like the fastest Irish dancer or whatever, I will be super impressed. But that doesn't make that guy the awesomest athlete in the world

Knicks21
12-01-2011, 08:57 AM
As much as i hate to say it, soccer's the future sport. It has become so easy nowadays for a kid just to have a ball to kick around, basketball you need a hoop and a ball, football you need a ball and other players. Soccer is more affordable to younger people.

ichitownclowni
12-01-2011, 10:53 AM
No

NYKalltheway
12-01-2011, 02:08 PM
I mean, honestly, there is soccer skill, like "wow, that guy is really skillful at kicking the ball, he has really fancy footwork, he has really quick feet and agility"

but that is kind of on a different level than what NBA superstars can do. I mean, try doing that stuff playing 10 feet off the ground at high speed collisions at the rim. It's just a different world.

I mean, if I see the fastest Riverdance guy, like the fastest Irish dancer or whatever, I will be super impressed. But that doesn't make that guy the awesomest athlete in the world

You have a flaw in your skeptical. That is, you confuse the American term "athleticism" with the Greek term "athlete". It has nothing to do with eachother.

An athlete is someone who COMPETES FOR A PRIZE. That's the original definition, which the whole world uses (except USA/Canada). And I'm assuming it's not your fault as most Americans think of the term athlete and confuse it with "athleticism" and the correct term which in English happens to be "sportsperson".

This is why you don't get what we are trying to say, I say one thing and you understand something different. Hope this makes you see what we're trying to say better.

montazingmvp
12-01-2011, 03:40 PM
I mean, honestly, there is soccer skill, like "wow, that guy is really skillful at kicking the ball, he has really fancy footwork, he has really quick feet and agility"

but that is kind of on a different level than what NBA superstars can do. I mean, try doing that stuff playing 10 feet off the ground at high speed collisions at the rim. It's just a different world.

I mean, if I see the fastest Riverdance guy, like the fastest Irish dancer or whatever, I will be super impressed. But that doesn't make that guy the awesomest athlete in the world

soccer players, play in the air too.
http://hoffstrizz.typepad.com/.a/6a0128773aba66970c0133f1910b39970b-800wi

http://cl.theoffside.com/files/2008/05/ronaldo-headed-goal-cl-final.jpg

http://media.whosay.com/22190/22190_la.jpg

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2006-03/08/xin_430303081556667268720.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/30/article-1247270-0816D574000005DC-129_468x313.jpg

montazingmvp
12-01-2011, 04:00 PM
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ChiSoxJuan
12-01-2011, 04:05 PM
I can't believe the arrogance of soccer fans here. Get a clue. The NFL has a combine for a reason. Every one of those skills & attributes is featured in the game. How many times have you see a receiver go up in the air fight for a ball & come down with 2 feet in bounds? You obviously can't imagine the level of talent that takes because you've never played the game.

I've seen enough World Cup games in my lifetime to know that the GREAT plays in soccer don't happen all that often. You're suggesting head strikes or reverse kicks happen as often as dunks in the NBA. Guess again.

Spare me the footwork praise as well. I've seen the footwork of the best in the sport & I can tell you it doesn't compare to the footwork of the best in the sport of Hockey.

Soccer is #1 in the world for the same reason Cricket is #2: European Imperialism. That has little to do with athleticism & more do to with cultural interference over centuries.

montazingmvp
12-01-2011, 04:23 PM
I can't believe the arrogance of soccer fans here. Get a clue. The NFL has a combine for a reason. Every one of those skills & attributes is featured in the game. How many times have you see a receiver go up in the air fight for a ball & come down with 2 feet in bounds? You obviously can't imagine the level of talent that takes because you've never played the game.

LOL at the bolded.



I've seen enough World Cup games in my lifetime to know that the GREAT plays in soccer don't happen all that often. You're suggesting head strikes or reverse kicks happen as often as dunks in the NBA. Guess again.

head strikes happen all the time. whether its trying to score a ball or trying to clear the ball out of the defense. if you HAD watched enough world cup games, this should be obvious...headers in soccer are much more common than dunks are in basketball. and reverse kicks do rarely happen. this is because it is much harder to pull off.


Spare me the footwork praise as well. I've seen the footwork of the best in the sport & I can tell you it doesn't compare to the footwork of the best in the sport of Hockey.

Yeah, same exact thing..

Hellcrooner
12-01-2011, 04:25 PM
I can't believe the arrogance of soccer fans here. Get a clue. The NFL has a combine for a reason. Every one of those skills & attributes is featured in the game. How many times have you see a receiver go up in the air fight for a ball & come down with 2 feet in bounds? You obviously can't imagine the level of talent that takes because you've never played the game.

I've seen enough World Cup games in my lifetime to know that the GREAT plays in soccer don't happen all that often. You're suggesting head strikes or reverse kicks happen as often as dunks in the NBA. Guess again.

Spare me the footwork praise as well. I've seen the footwork of the best in the sport & I can tell you it doesn't compare to the footwork of the best in the sport of Hockey.

Soccer is #1 in the world for the same reason Cricket is #2: European Imperialism. That has little to do with athleticism & more do to with cultural interference over centuries.
ha ha ha ha ah ah hahahahahaahhahahaahahhaahhahahahahaahhahahahahaha

And the truth prevails.

you are the TYPICAL american.

thats why in the beggining of it all americans had to "invent" Baseball, twisting Cricket
"invent" "football" by twisting Rugby.

"invent" Ice Hockey by twisting the game of Hockey, played on the grass .



to fight "european imperiaslism/colonialism"


Im surprised tough that bAsket is not the 1st sport in usa , taking on account is the only one 100% american originated.

Anilyzer
12-01-2011, 05:06 PM
soccer players, play in the air too. i didn't know basketball players dribbled the ball 10 feet high in the air. you're comparing completely different skills and having a strong bias towards one over the other simply because it's what you grew up with and see most days.

It takes a lot more to have the skills to be deceptive and elusive by taking players one on one (ala Ronaldo) than it is to catch an ally oop.

It's like comparing Iverson's skill set with, dwight Howards. You're average person is probably going to be much more impressed with Iverson crossing people over all day than a 7' dude catching balld above the rimming and throwing it down.

There are just as many high speed collisions in the air in soccer (around the box) as there are in basketball around the rim...probably more. Since high speed collisions are incredibly rare in basketball.

Volleyball is played in air too, there are dude's in volleyball who can make vince carter look like he can't jump.This dude (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehvArXyRHeU&feature=related) has a 50" vertical, thats almost a 1/2' higher than anyone in the nba...bet you don't watch volleyball.

soccer players getting up...



ok, quickly, again there are several different areas we could evaluate the sport. Athleticism and skill are two of them.

When we are looking for "the greatest athletes" or "the greatest skilled players" in the world, i.e., something very unique and rare that is worth actually watching, then I do tend to think that there is more of a difference between a starting NBA shooting guard and a starting HS shooting guard or a player at the park for that matter (the difference is astronomical and can't be comprehended by most people or players) than there is between a pro soccer forward and a college, HS or park player. While the difference is still great, it is not AS great as the NBA player difference, because the main difference points (shooting distance, dribbling ability, dodginess on the field, quick running) can all be imitated more easily by the park player--he can essentially do the same things, just not as well. Whereas some NBA players simply do some things that only a handful of humans can do.

I do realize there are prodigies in Soccer also, there are those rare guys. And soccer IS a great sport, I didn't mean to compare the sport to "River Dance", just the impressiveness of some of the fancy footworks. For that matter, if we want to compare a sport on its technicality, the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and by extension modern MMA, is incredibly technical. The best fighters are like chess players on the mat. We're talking about THOUSANDS if not millions of techniques. Boxing is also quite complex.

also, we can evaluate sports on how watchable and entertaining they are. Now, I'm not going to argue with 200,000 crazed Liverpool fans that soccer is not watchable. It is and it must be. I've rarely watched it myself, just ESPN highlights or the Mundials or whatever. And it is cool, but it seems like more of a cultural event.

anyways, soccer has way more of a fan base, so it will be more popular, but as to what sport is more WATCHABLE, more fun, that's up for debate. NFL football is really good... good NBA games are fantastic... great MMA fights or boxing matches...

but yeah, it seems like if Liverpool vs Manchester was just incredibly watchable it would be highly promoted here and everybody would watch it. Soccer fans always seem defensive when a great game is on, like "you have to understand the sport to really appreciate it" as if they realize it will seem boring or strange to an American.

Like if I show you some MMA, I won't say "you have to really have grown up in SoCal to like this, you have to understand it". No, I will just say "look at this" and you will be freakin' amazed and watch for hours

Anilyzer
12-01-2011, 05:10 PM
ha ha ha ha ah ah hahahahahaahhahahaahahhaahhahahahahaahhahahahahaha

And the truth prevails.

you are the TYPICAL american.

thats why in the beggining of it all americans had to "invent" Baseball, twisting Cricket
"invent" "football" by twisting Rugby.

"invent" Ice Hockey by twisting the game of Hockey, played on the grass .



to fight "european imperiaslism/colonialism"


Im surprised tough that bAsket is not the 1st sport in usa , taking on account is the only one 100% american originated.

yeah, I guess we "invented" imperialism, twisting English and Spanish colonialism. But you can't compare an aircraft carrier or a nuclear submarine to a sailing vessel. Ultimately things evolve. Cricket just seems laughably arcane, antique even, to most modern viewers.

Like, this is what cricket seems like to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKmyB8xXXE

ChiSoxJuan
12-01-2011, 05:35 PM
We didn't twist anything. We took mundane, simplistic, & what many would consider boring sports & reinvented them into something spectacular. We didn't force baseball, football, or basketball down the throats of nations because we wanted them to be more like us. They took to the sports because they LIKE THEM!

I realize this is suppose to be about the NBA, but the problem there is the NBA Finals do not draw 230M viewers. Only the SB does that amongst American sports. Arguably the best soccer player in the world now plays in the US & that has not greatly improved the financials of the sport here. Now with respect to the SB, the fact that 1/2 of the 230M are coming from overseas is a marvel in itself. The SB itself is less than 50 yrs old. So what pray tell do you think it might draw another 50 yrs from now? How many yrs old is the World Cup of soccer? Try to keep things in perspective.

With respect to basketball, I get the argument. As real estate becomes more scarce in urban areas soccer fields will be sold off & basketball's 1/2 court game will become a regular occurence. The fact that basketball is the cheapest of any of the sports mentioned is a good selling point for why more people will be playing some basketball each year. But I think as a spectator sport it's more like golf. The stars attract the viewers more so than the game itself. So I think it will plateau & then decline as the stars don't always shine as bright as Lebron, Kobe, or Rose.

Baseball on the other hand is seeing something of a revival. Ratings & revenue have been steadily rising for 5 straight yrs. It should see 10B in rev before the new CBA expires. When you consider there are actually less diamonds in N America than there were 5 yrs ago, the growth is clearly coming from the spectator only segment of the population. That's where MLB, NHL, & NFL distinguish themselves from the NBA. What NBA fan hasn't played basketball in their lifetime or doesn't play some each year? I think there are a much greater # of fans of these 3 that have only been spectators of the sport.

Hellcrooner
12-01-2011, 06:06 PM
We didn't twist anything. We took mundane, simplistic, & what many would consider boring sports & reinvented them into something spectacular. We didn't force baseball, football, or basketball down the throats of nations because we wanted them to be more like us. They took to the sports because they LIKE THEM!

I realize this is suppose to be about the NBA, but the problem there is the NBA Finals do not draw 230M viewers. Only the SB does that amongst American sports. Arguably the best soccer player in the world now plays in the US & that has not greatly improved the financials of the sport here. Now with respect to the SB, the fact that 1/2 of the 230M are coming from overseas is a marvel in itself. The SB itself is less than 50 yrs old. So what pray tell do you think it might draw another 50 yrs from now? How many yrs old is the World Cup of soccer? Try to keep things in perspective.

With respect to basketball, I get the argument. As real estate becomes more scarce in urban areas soccer fields will be sold off & basketball's 1/2 court game will become a regular occurence. The fact that basketball is the cheapest of any of the sports mentioned is a good selling point for why more people will be playing some basketball each year. But I think as a spectator sport it's more like golf. The stars attract the viewers more so than the game itself. So I think it will plateau & then decline as the stars don't always shine as bright as Lebron, Kobe, or Rose.

Baseball on the other hand is seeing something of a revival. Ratings & revenue have been steadily rising for 5 straight yrs. It should see 10B in rev before the new CBA expires. When you consider there are actually less diamonds in N America than there were 5 yrs ago, the growth is clearly coming from the spectator only segment of the population. That's where MLB, NHL, & NFL distinguish themselves from the NBA. What NBA fan hasn't played basketball in their lifetime or doesn't play some each year? I think there are a much greater # of fans of these 3 that have only been spectators of the sport.

yep that why it is followed in Imperialistic USA Backayard AKA known the caribbean.

Or in the defeated and humilliated Japan after the world.


and the best what?

who?

the best player in the mls would not make the top 100 players in the world list.

_Supreme_
12-01-2011, 07:47 PM
Basketball will not overtake Soccer as the #1 any time soon. Probably never.

jmoney85
12-01-2011, 07:56 PM
A billion people really watch the World Cup ??


That is absolutely astounding.

Basketball will never ever overtake soccer in my lifetime, but I personally think 30 years from now, it will be number 2.


hope neptune wins the states saturday

_Supreme_
12-01-2011, 08:08 PM
thats why in the beggining of it all americans had to "invent" Baseball, twisting Cricket

Actually there is/was an English game called Stoolball that is almost certainly the common ancestor of both Baseball and Cricket.

So basically Baseball has English origins.

NYKalltheway
12-01-2011, 08:13 PM
We didn't twist anything. We took mundane, simplistic, & what many would consider boring sports & reinvented them into something spectacular. We didn't force baseball, football, or basketball down the throats of nations because we wanted them to be more like us. They took to the sports because they LIKE THEM!

bold part: who's THEY? Nobody took the sport you call "football". In fact, everyone is laughing at the fact that you call it football when you clearly don't even use your feet in that sport other than standing and running... :laugh2:
Baseball? I don't like it and most of the world doesn't either. Some countries have a lot of fans of the sport and I respect that, but don't invent stories about it. It's not a popular sport. Plus, as far as I've read, it's an old English game played with a bat, not a new colonial invention. Just happens that cricket didn't follow while baseball caught on in the USA. You think the English would only play one game with a bat & ball just because cricket got more fame? :eyebrow: Softball rings a bell? Same sport but for girls apparently with a few technique differences ;) The international federations are joining up to re-enter the sports in the Olympics. Oh, and you can get a helicopter or a carrier plane and collect the useless baseball stadium we were forced to build in the 2004 Olympics. We have no use for it, actually it's now used, and I'm not kidding, for garbage collection. Actually the garbage is stuck there as nobody visits the stadium.

Baseball is not spectacular btw. I've played baseball when I was young because of my school and it was really a dull sport. Nothing fancy about hitting a ball with a bat and nothing as boring as being an outfield player just chasing a ball... This will never catch on.

Gridiron sport you call football. No one takes it seriously. Everyone who plays such a sport prefer rugby to it. And everyone, as previously stated, laughs at the sport for being called football instead of handegg or throwhand or whatever doesn't have the term foot and ball, because neither are used in the sport.

Basketball... Yes. Thing is, it's been an INTERNATIONAL sport since the 1910s. Perhaps because of the St 1904 Olympics I don't know, but the turth is that it's always been an international sport. A recreational sport, not part of any culture (other than Lithuania in Europe or Yugoslavia back in the 80s). Hence why it never outgrew football (your "soccer").

I've played over 10 sports growing up.

Football (soccer) (includes futsal and 5x5 mini-football)
Basketball
Volleyball (includes beach volley ball)
Water Polo
Rugby
Handball (includes beach hand ball)
Baseball
Bowling (I assume I can call it a sport if Golf is considered as one)
Field Hockey
Roller Hockey (despite not knowing it was an actual sport, we thought we invented it when we were 9 :laugh2: )
Boules (see "Bowling")
Kart racing (I assume I can call it a sport if Nascar is considered as one)
100m sprint
Long Jump

I think I can say that I have a spherical view of sports and I am in a position to have formed an unbiased opinion on sports. My favorite sport to play is basketball btw. Football is still better. And don't get excited, football = soccer, not the gridiron thing.


I realize this is suppose to be about the NBA, but the problem there is the NBA Finals do not draw 230M viewers. Only the SB does that amongst American sports. Arguably the best soccer player in the world now plays in the US & that has not greatly improved the financials of the sport here. Now with respect to the SB, the fact that 1/2 of the 230M are coming from overseas is a marvel in itself. The SB itself is less than 50 yrs old. So what pray tell do you think it might draw another 50 yrs from now? How many yrs old is the World Cup of soccer? Try to keep things in perspective.

Superbowl is purely an American thing to watch, and it draws non-Americans out of curiosity. Non-Americans usually watch it just once in their life, I've never found anyone, except perhaps people living in England, who like the NFL. Most people I know don't even know a single team in the NFL.
The NBA on the other hand USED TO attract millions of Europeans. Because it was a great tournament. Now people have realized that it's turned into a joke with doped characters and 100% dunking and isolation and 0 essence. Also, having playoffs and not a one-off final makes it harder to attract a huge number of televized ratings. You need to have a Game 7 for that and two popular teams.

World Cup vs Superbowl? Apples and oranges. You're talking about a "market" of 5 billion people and 1 billion TELEVISIONS are on. Key word: televisions. Because there are cities where there are several thousands or MILLIONS of people gathered together in the streets to watch their national team games.

Compare the Superbowl with the European football Champions League if you wanna draw an assumption.



With respect to basketball, I get the argument. As real estate becomes more scarce in urban areas soccer fields will be sold off & basketball's 1/2 court game will become a regular occurence. The fact that basketball is the cheapest of any of the sports mentioned is a good selling point for why more people will be playing some basketball each year. But I think as a spectator sport it's more like golf. The stars attract the viewers more so than the game itself. So I think it will plateau & then decline as the stars don't always shine as bright as Lebron, Kobe, or Rose.

Lebron and Rose combined do not have the number of fans Shaq or even Hakeem had in their prime. The NBA is in a decline and you can only blame the fans for letting the stupid rules pass without reacting negatively to them... instead, more domestic fans were tuned in for some reason, while international fans were turned off, except the Chinese who wanted to see Yao

Urban area soccer fields... such thing doesn't exist in BRAZIL, ARGENTINA, URUGUAY and other South American countries where they live and breath the sport. They play the game in their neighbourhoods, be it dust or concrete, be it an area of 2m x 2m or just a normal street... You don't need a pitch to play the sport. On the other hand, you need lots of space, a flat surface, hoops and a basketball to play basketball.... Cheapest? Not really. You can play football when you're broke, you can't play basketball with no hoops. And hoops are expensive for someone who can't afford milk and bread.

montazingmvp
12-01-2011, 09:37 PM
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montazingmvp
12-01-2011, 09:59 PM
ok, quickly, again there are several different areas we could evaluate the sport. Athleticism and skill are two of them.

When we are looking for "the greatest athletes" or "the greatest skilled players" in the world, i.e., something very unique and rare that is worth actually watching, then I do tend to think that there is more of a difference between a starting NBA shooting guard and a starting HS shooting guard or a player at the park for that matter (the difference is astronomical and can't be comprehended by most people or players) than there is between a pro soccer forward and a college, HS or park player. While the difference is still great, it is not AS great as the NBA player difference, because the main difference points (shooting distance, dribbling ability, dodginess on the field, quick running) can all be imitated more easily by the park player--he can essentially do the same things, just not as well. Whereas some NBA players simply do some things that only a handful of humans can do.

completely disagree with this point, as someone who watches both soccer and basketball. The difference between a HS soccer player and a pro in Europe is just as astronomical as it is in basketball....




I do realize there are prodigies in Soccer also, there are those rare guys. And soccer IS a great sport, I didn't mean to compare the sport to "River Dance", just the impressiveness of some of the fancy footworks. For that matter, if we want to compare a sport on its technicality, the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and by extension modern MMA, is incredibly technical. The best fighters are like chess players on the mat. We're talking about THOUSANDS if not millions of techniques. Boxing is also quite complex.

All sports hold there own unique complexities, its just whether you see them or not. The difference between soccer and other sports is that there are prodigies coming out of every continent. The competition at the top level is immense because you're competing against billions of people from every corner of the world.


anyways, soccer has way more of a fan base, so it will be more popular, but as to what sport is more WATCHABLE, more fun, that's up for debate. NFL football is really good... good NBA games are fantastic... great MMA fights or boxing matches...

but yeah, it seems like if Liverpool vs Manchester was just incredibly watchable it would be highly promoted here and everybody would watch it. Soccer fans always seem defensive when a great game is on, like "you have to understand the sport to really appreciate it" as if they realize it will seem boring or strange to an American.

This is a matter of culture. Liverpool vs manchester games are promoted to a degree here. But America already has its own sports in place with teams in their own country. A lot of americans don't have the time to wake up at 7am every saturday morning to watch 2 english teams battle it out. There's no connection. Half the joy of watching sports is the connection between the team and the city. Soccer doesn't really have that in America...

ChiSoxJuan
12-02-2011, 02:46 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/31/soccer-nfl-television-idUSLDE60U0G220100131
Superbowl avg 111M vs Champions League Final 109M
Superbowl part-timers 162M vs Champions League Final 206M

The 220-230M figure I quoted earlier included a link that estimated total streams (TV, internet, etc.) This article makes reference to that with digitalization.

I have no idea where you pulled a 1910 figure out of your *** for professional basketball. The sport was created by Naismith in MA with the intent it be played indoors. He wasn't thinking 1/2 court playground ball at all which is what you commonly find at parks. The cost of putting in a 1/2 court basket & ball is less than that of the fencing alone for a baseball diamond. So yes, it figures to spread as real estate becomes more scarce in urban areas. From about 1890 to WWII, professional basketball was mostly regional and localized. There was no national level league. In 1946 the owners of these local teams got together to form the NBA.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/why-fifas-claim-of-one-billion-tv-viewers-was-a-quarter-right-438302.html
FIFA notoriously stretches the truth on ratings. Realistically about 260M watched it live on TV.

In this debate though, I think what matters most is exposure to the sport so I would count every unique viewer of soccer or football related content as meaningful. Unfortunately we don't have that data, but based on how FIFA estimates to the far side that figure already in their 1B claim now, I would say football isn't far behind it with thier far side estimate
either.

ChiSoxJuan
12-02-2011, 03:06 PM
Japan took to the sport of baseballl when it's Emperor was avid about all things Western in the late 19th & early 20th centuries. Humiliation? Hc, you're a ****ing turd when it comes to this subject. That's the advent of the Rising Sun which led to the bombing of Pearl Harbor in WWII. They couldn't have been more proud of themselves then!

Same goes for your knowledge of the Winter Leagues. The Carribean plays a small part in that & most of those teams have nothing to do with US territories. The Winter Leagues include all of Latin America including those run by communist dictators like Castro or Chavez. It's just a matter of time before Brazil, Chile, & Argentina join the fold & baseball is played professionally in all of the Western Hemisphere. One of the intitiatives of baseball owners globally is to help fund the foundation for new baseball diamonds. Some of them are looking at soccer fields for dual purpose usage. So you are a fool for ******** on baseball's worldwide growth & acceptance the way you do.

AndyfromNeptune
12-02-2011, 03:25 PM
hope neptune wins the states saturday

thanks bro where u from ?

BKLYNpigeon
12-02-2011, 03:26 PM
Professional Sports are about money. Its about the broadcast rights and commercials.

In soccer theres one break, Halftime, and thats it. You cant fit in many commercials in just a half. Thats why networks never bothered with soccer in this country. Soccer was quite popular in the US in the 1950's.

now many networks are catching on. ESPN, NBC, FOX are broadcasting games. The FIFA World Cup viewership doubles everytime in this country.

BKLYNpigeon
12-02-2011, 03:29 PM
like I said in my last post:

At the Last World Cup over 1 BILLION people were watching. thats about 25% of the world. when the World Cup is being played, the world stops to watch, banks businesses close early, Wars stop fighting, the world murder rate goes wayyyy down.

I play Soccer every week its a beautiful game. its a true team sport in its purest form. I wished this country embraced it more.

BKLYNpigeon
12-02-2011, 03:32 PM
I love watching Basketball Football, and Baseball, etc. But what drives me nuts sometimes is that the game is so slow. theres too many commercial breaks, fouls, and stoppage of play. 3 hours is just too damn long for a game.

In soccer matches are about 2 hours from start to finish.

ChiSoxJuan
12-02-2011, 03:51 PM
Exactly. The Superbowl is tailor made for advertisers. That's why it will continue to expand in it's offering to the world. I predict that by 2050 not only will 228 countries carry the game, but at least 200 will carry the pre & post game shows as well. Hype over the Superbowl is almost as easy to sell these days as the games itself & those ratings have been soaring as well. In fact in some markets the pre & post game shows rank just behind the game itself. These talk shows & featuring highlight clips of past games beat out all other programming in those markets. Can you say the same for the World Cup games?

So if the World Cup is some 80 yrs old, & the Superbowl is in it's mid-40's I think it's conceivable the Superbowl could catch up to the World Cup in terms of live-viewers for a single day event by 2050. The $ incentive to make that happen is certainly built into the game itself.

I don't think this is what the thread is aiming at though. After all the NBA Finals when they do include big markets like NY or LA don't even compare with MLB World Series. I think this thread is trying to predict what will be the most widely played sport in the world. On that note trying to predict what the world will be like in 2050, I think that's very possible.

Hellcrooner
12-02-2011, 03:59 PM
Exactly. The Superbowl is tailor made for advertisers. That's why it will continue to expand in it's offering to the world. I predict that by 2050 not only will 228 countries carry the game, but at least 200 will carry the pre & post game shows as well. Hype over the Superbowl is almost as easy to sell these days as the games itself & those ratings have been soaring as well. In fact in some markets the pre & post game shows rank just behind the game itself. These talk shows & featuring highlight clips of past games beat out all other programming in those markets. Can you say the same for the World Cup games?

So if the World Cup is some 80 yrs old, & the Superbowl is in it's mid-40's I think it's conceivable the Superbowl could catch up to the World Cup in terms of live-viewers for a single day event by 2050. The $ incentive to make that happen is certainly built into the game itself.

I don't think this is what the thread is aiming at though. After all the NBA Finals when they do include big markets like NY or LA don't even compare with MLB World Series. I think this thread is trying to predict what will be the most widely played sport in the world. On that note trying to predict what the world will be like in 2050, I think that's very possible.

Hey genius.

Super Bowl blah blah blah ( it still gets less viewers worl wide than CHampions league finals)


WOuld love to know what the AGGREGATTE viewers of EACH WEAKS nfl competition are in relation to each waks champions leagu viewers.


You can drop the pipedream of Nfl taking over.

i have friends that follow Soccer, Basketball, Handball, f1, tennis, ICEHOKCKY ( yep Nhl has more credit worlwide than nfl), Baseball ( friedns in venezuela , not here), voleyball and so on.

I AM the only person i know here that watchs NFL.

And btw , Superbwl may be 40 years old, but AMERICAN FOOTBALL was there MUCH EARLIER:

the same way there was SOCCER a lot of time ago, but not champions league until late 50s.

keymax
12-02-2011, 04:21 PM
The Champions League is an invention of the 90's. Before that only the actual champions were allowed in the European Cup.
I liked the former format much better because it didn't include a group stage, but I understand why UEFA went that way because of guaranteed games and TV money.

ChiSoxJuan
12-02-2011, 04:26 PM
I never underestimate the power of persuasion by people in marketing & the NFL has the best in the sports business. I don't think there is any doubt of that. They have made the Superbowl into an event that transcends the sport itself. Everything associated with it is that way. There are sites & shows mind you after the game has been played that focus just on the ADS that were shown during the game.

The world is a lot smaller than it was 50 yrs ago so these people have more power to influence more nations now. Think of Disco. What was it before the movie Staying Alive? What became of it afterwards? What was it's worldwide influence then?

This question pertains to the future & we keep debating the past & the present of these sports. So here's a question pertaining to future generations.

What does the NFL & Modern Warfare 3 have in common? They both are tops in sales in their respective genre's of vg's. There are more NFL based games sold than soccer based games. So when you claim that no one where you live follows the NFL I will simply counter that there are plenty of young adults around the world learning the in's & out's of the NFL not from watching TV but hearing about it or playing it with their MW3 buddies.

In otherwords the future sport of the world might have more to do with virtual play than actual play.

keymax
12-02-2011, 04:33 PM
What does the NFL & Modern Warfare 3 have in common? They both are tops in sales in their respective genre's of vg's. There are more NFL based games sold than soccer based games. So when you claim that no one where you live follows the NFL I will simply counter that there are plenty of young adults around the world learning the in's & out's of the NFL not from watching TV but hearing about it or playing it with their MW3 buddies.


Only in the US.

FIFA by EA sports is by far the most selling sports franchise. And they don't even have the monopoly for soccer video games.

ChiSoxJuan
12-02-2011, 04:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
FIFA 100M vs Madden NFL 90M Not as big a gap as you thought probably & I contend that FIFA probably represents a greater % of all soccer related sales than Madden does with respect to football sales. There are 3 other titles in this list that when added to Madden sales gives the NFL the edge.

But getting back to MW3 whiich is part of the CoD franchise, which do you think those players are more likely to own? FIFA or Madden NFL?

Hellcrooner
12-02-2011, 04:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
FIFA 100M vs Madden NFL 90M Not as big a gap as you thought probably & I contend that FIFA probably represents a greater % of all soccer related sales than Madden does with respect to football sales. There are 3 other titles in this list that when added to Madden sales gives the NFL the edge.

But getting back to MW3 whiich is part of the CoD franchise, which do you think those players are more likely to own? FIFA or Madden NFL?

fifa has to compete with MANY other soccer games.

btw.

in the early 90s i could buy Nba, Nfl and Nhl from ea sports here in spain.

But since 2003 No nfl game here .

Ezekial
12-02-2011, 05:15 PM
it's funny how the two most popular sports are in the Us, football, and baseball are both incredibly slow and boring.

Most popular sport in Canada...hockey...slow and boring

Most popular sport in the world...Soccer...slow and boring

Why do people like these slow, boring *** sports? Basketball is by far the most exciting mainstream team based sport out there.

Hahahahahhahahahahaha Hockey is slow hahahahahahahahahaha

Hockey is fast paced as ****.

Only people who don't know about Hockey would say that. Is Lacrosse slow and boring too?
All I know is the BEST playoffs in North American sports is the NHL playoffs. You get to watch dudes with Torn ACLs and Broken Limbs go out and play hockey. Name another sport where a dude is gonna play with a Torn ACL.

Ezekial
12-02-2011, 05:18 PM
Only in the US.

FIFA by EA sports is by far the most selling sports franchise. And they don't even have the monopoly for soccer video games.

I don't see how anyone could say that Madden sells more copies than FIFA.

montazingmvp
12-02-2011, 05:30 PM
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wissportsfan
12-02-2011, 05:32 PM
Nope. Not the way it's set up now. It'll be another 6 years before they can possible change it :pity:

montazingmvp
12-02-2011, 05:39 PM
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ChiSoxJuan
12-02-2011, 05:50 PM
That is a world-wide list at wiki so if what you say about PES is true it should be there. The other NFL titles are obvious. Just search on NFL. What's not there but I guess hasn't reached 5 mil yet (which I find surprising) is the NCAA Football games. That's the problem with your focus on just the NFL in the football vs soccer debate. NCAA Football is huge in America as well. The BCS Final game has been growing quickly & figures to be the 2nd most watched event to the SB next yr.

The craziness of football is that many colleges are more profitable with their football teams than minor professional soccer leagues around the world are.

jiggin
12-02-2011, 06:05 PM
I sure hope not if they follow how the NBA is run by its offices and how the players handle it.

NO thank you. I will go right back to loving College hoops which is way more PURE and competitive than watching a bunch of over paid men complain about being paid millions to play a kids game...and then ruin the league by trying to team up to get the easy rings on their fingers.

Hellcrooner
12-02-2011, 11:16 PM
That is a world-wide list at wiki so if what you say about PES is true it should be there. The other NFL titles are obvious. Just search on NFL. What's not there but I guess hasn't reached 5 mil yet (which I find surprising) is the NCAA Football games. That's the problem with your focus on just the NFL in the football vs soccer debate. NCAA Football is huge in America as well. The BCS Final game has been growing quickly & figures to be the 2nd most watched event to the SB next yr.

The craziness of football is that many colleges are more profitable with their football teams than minor professional soccer leagues around the world are.


how profitable would them b if they actually had to pay a SALARY based on free market to their players instead of the b.s " we pay your studies" thing.?

ChiSoxJuan
12-03-2011, 02:10 PM
You're wrong about that. Studies have been made on that subject. Sure the best players like the Heismann trophy candidates or other standouts likely to win awards would be paid well over the cost of tuition, room & board, use of facilities, & other perks they get now. But the bulk of the student athletes would earn less than those costs. You can't have both. If you pay college athletes then they lose their amateur status & the bulk of them lose their scholarships because the academic boards won't give a crap about their student status any more.

Back on topic.

When I look at American Football I see a sport tailor made for the modern sports fan/gamer. It's a chess match like no other sport. That's why playbooks are the size of dictionaries not just at the NFL level but also HS level now. You'll find about 1/2 that size at grammar school level. That's why the N American culture continues to strengthen it's bond to the sport. It's not just about a game any more. I don't think you can find a workplace in America these days that doesn't have a weekly NFL pool. I've never found one. I think this is a big reason why fans in Chicago or NY might actually care about what happens to the Chiefs or the Cardinals. In the last decade or so that NFL pool has extended to NFL Fantasy leagues. This has taken the fans of those cities beyond caring about the teams in KC & AZ to actually caring about the players on those rosters. I don't think you see that kind of fan conviction in any other sport on Earth.

But maybe I'm wrong. Is this now a part of soccer's culture as well? Is it at least as strong as football in sports-betting & fantasy leagues?

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news2011/news2011.asp
The '85-86 Bears hold the record for best ratings of an NFL game & consequently any program. At least 70% of households in N America watched that game. If last yr's game had attracted that level of interest, you are looking at 180M part-time live same day live viewers from N America alone. In '85-86 Tivo/DVR didn't exist & Nielsen didn't keep trace of delayed VCR ratings. Now they do. The NFL gets a bigger boost from these delayed ratings than any sport in America. That typically boosts the #'s by 20-30%. So Now you're looking at 220-230M part-time single day event viewers over a 7day period from N America alone. That's likely the peak of what the NFL can attract these days in N America.

The Guardian article suggests that at least 1/2 of the SB global viewers come from outside N America now. That puts a part-time global viewer # at close to 500M over a 7 day period. Extend that to people who will just see highlights of the game whether it be local news, local sports programming, internet, wireless, etc & it's reasonable to suggest that a game event played only in the lower 48 states of America is partly seen by at least 1B viewers on the planet.

You really don't find that the least bit remarkable? How about the fact that less than 1% of viewers during the spectacle switch channels during commercial breaks? That's the highest retention rate for any event including soccer championships on the planet.

IMO the NFL has realistic goals. About 230 world TV markets air the SB. I've never read a line anywhere that those carriers have any trouble selling that ad space. The goal of the NFL over this new CBA is to extend that to include the AFC & NFC championship games & eventually the full playoff rounds. There's no reason to doubt them. Soccer has been played for centuries. The appeal of American football to the modern sports fans, bettor, & gamer is obvious. It makes little sense to sell a sport short that has so much going for it.

Hellcrooner
12-03-2011, 02:19 PM
^its so popular and marketable that the european branch of nfl they opened ended going broke .

Hellcrooner
12-03-2011, 02:19 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801308ec&template=without-video&confirm=true

RevisIsland
12-03-2011, 02:21 PM
It astounds me that the NFL isn't more popular globally. I think the NFL finds a way to sell the game internationally over the next decade.

NYKalltheway
12-03-2011, 02:23 PM
Found this list on another forum. List is that of the FIRST RECORDED CHAMPION in a domestic BASKETBALL LEAGUE. Where's the NBA? The topic is about BASKETBALL and WORLD, not the NBA...



1915 for Uruguay
1920 for Italy
1921 for France
1924 for Soviet Union (defunct)
1928 for Greece and Belgium
1930 for Czechoslovakia (defunct) and Puerto Rico
1933 for Hungary
1937 for Paraguay
1938 for Argentina

NBA is 1947 or something isn't it? The "defunct" championships aren't really defunct. Just happen that the country they were organized it was split, so they aren't really defunct, the teams that have participated in those leagues still exist, just participate in other leagues....

NYKalltheway
12-03-2011, 02:24 PM
It astounds me that the NFL isn't more popular globally. I think the NFL finds a way to sell the game internationally over the next decade.

There's a sport called Rugby that is popular in Western Europe and the rich parts of South America. I think that's enough and it's a pretty similar and also a faster sport (people HATE advertisements, sport is passion, not business). NFL interests only a few people per country. Literally a few...

Geargo Wallace
12-03-2011, 02:25 PM
Justin Bieber taught me to never say never.

But thinking Football could be the most popular sport in the world is hilarious. Only gun toting Americans like that ****. Basketball is the only hope of catching soccer (still unlikely though).

USMCLaker
12-03-2011, 02:27 PM
^its so popular and marketable that the european branch of nfl they opened ended going broke .

I'm with you on this one how football is popular in the US I'll never understand.

I played football in high school with a couple different gangs and still play it sometimes when friends get together but it is too slow to watch. For every 5 seconds the ball is in play it is out play for at least 15 seconds. I like to play every major sport but can't watch most of them except boxing and basketball. I may be a little A.D.D. and require fast paced action to keep my attention it's not the sports fault but IMO basketball has more international appeal than any other American sport.

NYKalltheway
12-03-2011, 02:31 PM
I'm with you on this one how football is popular in the US I'll never understand.

I played football in high school with a couple different gangs and still play it sometimes when friends get together but it is too slow to watch. For every 5 seconds the ball is in play it is out play for at least 15 seconds. I like to play every major sport but can't watch most of them except boxing and basketball. I may be a little A.D.D. and require fast paced action to keep my attention it's not the sports fault but IMO basketball has more international appeal than any other American sport.

adding to that, since Americans like to use the term "major sports". If it was about Europe, then the 4 major sports would be:

1) football (soccer)
2) ice hockey
3) basketball
4) handball/rugby/volleyball (not sure which, I'd guess rugby is more known, but handball and volleyball played more)

for Greece it's football(soccer), basketball, volleyball and water polo in that particular order.
as for the world, my guess would be:

1) football (soccer)
2) field hockey
3) cricket
4) basketball

as much as I hate cricket... it's is a top 4 sport in the world in terms of pretty much everything (except fun :D )

goldenstater
12-03-2011, 02:35 PM
It will never pass soccer on a global scale. Ever. It might not even pass cricket.

However, it is definitely in the top 3 in terms of global popularity and might make some more ground if their expansion into India goes over moderately well.

Cricket is popular in Commonwealth countries and really not much more. it does have the benefit of india( huge cricket country) though which is the second largest county in the world.

i stayed in china for about 2 1/2 months and i can say without a doubt it is the # 1 sport in China and its not close( i think ping pong is 2nd). so when you have the largest counrty in the world that is basketball crazy( seriously maybe even mor ethan us, no joke) then that helps the case for basketball. but i still think soccer is and will be # 1.

USMCLaker
12-03-2011, 02:36 PM
adding to that, since Americans like to use the term "major sports". If it was about Europe, then the 4 major sports would be:

1) football (soccer)
2) ice hockey
3) basketball
4) handball/rugby/volleyball (not sure which, I'd guess rugby is more known, but handball and volleyball played more)

for Greece it's football(soccer), basketball, volleyball and water polo in that particular order.
as for the world, my guess would be:

1) football (soccer)
2) field hockey
3) cricket
4) basketball

as much as I hate cricket... it's is a top 4 sport in the world in terms of pretty much everything (except fun :D )

It's funny you mentioned rugby, I can watch rugby not as much stoppage as in football plus athletes don't wear tight pants to force the audience to see their junk.

USMCLaker
12-03-2011, 02:40 PM
Cricket is popular in Commonwealth countries and really not much more. it does have the benefit of india( huge cricket country) though which is the second largest county in the world.

i stayed in china for about 2 1/2 months and i can say without a doubt it is the # 1 sport in China and its not close( i think ping pong is 2nd). so when you have the largest counrty in the world that is basketball crazy( seriously maybe even mor ethan us, no joke) then that helps the case for basketball. but i still think soccer is and will be # 1.

Man I was going crazy without the NBA like a drug addict going through withdrawals I can't wait even for preseason to start.

And Santa Cruz is awesome I love it up there.

ManRam
12-03-2011, 02:43 PM
Soccer isn't getting replaced any time soon...

But Basketball is the most global American big 4 sport...and that also probably isn't changing any time soon.


Is field hockey really that big?

naps
12-03-2011, 02:48 PM
Not even close. Soccer, Cricket, Field-Hockey, Tennis, Volleyball, Table-Tennis, Golf, Rugby are globally more popular than Basketball. Basketball is my favorite sport, I would love to see it become the most popular one but it's a borderline top 10 sport in reality and I don't see it replacing Soccer, Cricket, F-Hockey, Tennis etc in terms of global appeal.


It's funny Cricket is the second most popular sport in the world (2-3 billion fans) and most people here in the US never heard of it.

NYKalltheway
12-03-2011, 02:48 PM
Soccer isn't getting replaced any time soon...

But Basketball is the most global American big 4 sport...and that also probably isn't changing any time soon.


Is field hockey really that big?

Almost all countries around India follow it.
It's quite popular in Western Europe and quite popular in rich countries of South America.

I think it's safe to say that it's more popular than cricket, and cricket is definitely one of the most popular sports in the world, just because of India.

As for the Chinese, they are not like the Indians. Indians would kill for cricket (not as much for field hockey, but it's equally popular, just not as passionate fans) while the Chinese are split between basketball, football(soccer) and a few other sports. Table Tennis(Ping Pong) is indeed very popular, but I could have said that Tennis is the 2nd most popular sport in the world. We're talking about team sports here aren't we?

Field hockey is more popular in non-cricket countries basically, which in my eyes means is overall more popular than cricket, since field hockey is the official national sport of India ;)

goldenstater
12-03-2011, 02:49 PM
Man I was going crazy without the NBA like a drug addict going through withdrawals I can't wait even for preseason to start.

And Santa Cruz is awesome I love it up there.

ha ha right on man! ya its a good town! i have been too, so excited for it to start again. watching a great UNC/Kentucky game right now getting me pumped!!!

naps
12-03-2011, 02:50 PM
is field hockey really that big?

yes.

goldenstater
12-03-2011, 02:52 PM
Almost all countries around India follow it.
It's quite popular in Western Europe and quite popular in rich countries of South America.

I think it's safe to say that it's more popular than cricket, and cricket is definitely one of the most popular sports in the world, just because of India.

As for the Chinese, they are not like the Indians. Indians would kill for cricket (not as much for field hockey, but it's equally popular, just not as passionate fans) while the Chinese are split between basketball, football(soccer) and a few other sports. Table Tennis(Ping Pong) is indeed very popular, but I could have said that Tennis is the 2nd most popular sport in the world. We're talking about team sports here aren't we?

as someone who lived there i have to say Basketball is #1 in china no doubt. they are crazy for it. your probably right that there is probably not the 100% devotion to it like india is with cricket but in my experience( lived in Shanghai and Chongqing) they love basketball above all else in china.

USMCLaker
12-03-2011, 03:01 PM
ha ha right on man! ya its a good town! i have been too, so excited for it to start again. watching a great UNC/Kentucky game right now getting me pumped!!!

I can't say the same with the Bruins stinking up the joint.

Geargo Wallace
12-03-2011, 03:18 PM
wow... field hockey.

NYKalltheway
12-03-2011, 03:25 PM
as someone who lived there i have to say Basketball is #1 in china no doubt. they are crazy for it. your probably right that there is probably not the 100% devotion to it like india is with cricket but in my experience( lived in Shanghai and Chongqing) they love basketball above all else in china.

you lived in Shanghai, not CHINA.. :cool: Just one large city of China is not good enough to draw conlcusions.

I do agree that basketball is pretty popular in China, especially because of Yao Ming's performances in the NBA, but it's not clearly the #1 sport.

And in China the most popular sports aren't team oriented. Martial arts, table tennis, badminton, tennis, chess, golf, snooker etc

Cricket is also fast growing in China and might actually overcome football(soccer) in terms of participants around the world if it actually becomes a top 5 sport over there!!

But still, according to Chinese sources, football(soccer) is still the most popular sport in China. The reason why it's not showing, it's because they are fans of European teams rather than follow their own teams because they're not good enough.

ChiSoxJuan
12-03-2011, 04:05 PM
My understanding of NFL Europe was that the league essentially sold the NFL license to owners there that wanted to put an NFL branded league together. I don't recall any partnerships with existing owners or any revenue being allocated from the NFL to NFL Europe.

That's mainly why it failed. Without a vested interest in the league there, owners like Jerry Jones did not use their marketing muscle to promote the league. The league was mostly supported by players from American universities so there was no local hometown boy connection either.

Simply put I don't think NFL owners like Jones took it serious. When they decide to get serious they first have to build support for the gridiron on college campuses. They have to accept the fact that for expansion into Europe to succeed players on draft day there have to be strongly represented by European schools. You can't just run a league with American graduates. Along those lines, I think they have to think small & focus soley on the UK for now.

The UK has the greatest cultural influence over the world of any European nation. If the NFL can establish the gridiron there it will create a dominoe effect. The goal of the NFL then should be to build the fanbases at the campus level first & then let those snowballs grow to where there is enough support in those cities to want teams.

keymax
12-03-2011, 04:44 PM
My understanding of NFL Europe was that the league essentially sold the NFL license to owners there that wanted to put an NFL branded league together. I don't recall any partnerships with existing owners or any revenue being allocated from the NFL to NFL Europe.

That's mainly why it failed. Without a vested interest in the league there, owners like Jerry Jones did not use their marketing muscle to promote the league. The league was mostly supported by players from American universities so there was no local hometown boy connection either.

Simply put I don't think NFL owners like Jones took it serious. When they decide to get serious they first have to build support for the gridiron on college campuses. They have to accept the fact that for expansion into Europe to succeed players on draft day there have to be strongly represented by European schools. You can't just run a league with American graduates. Along those lines, I think they have to think small & focus soley on the UK for now.

The UK has the greatest cultural influence over the world of any European nation. If the NFL can establish the gridiron there it will create a dominoe effect. The goal of the NFL then should be to build the fanbases at the campus level first & then let those snowballs grow to where there is enough support in those cities to want teams.

European sports don't work that way. There aren't drafts in any sport. It's not like schools compete against each other like in the states. College sports are non existant.
Kids join a club mostly at a very young age (6-10 years old) and rise through the different youth levels. When the kids have risen through your youth system the best have the chance to go pro in this said club.
European schools and universities don't have sports programs at least not on a competitive level.

Actually I think this system is superior to the American idea of a student athlete. Kids actually have to go to school who aren't affiliated to a sports program and aren't handed their degree in basket weaving just because they are good at football/basketball/whatever. But with all the money that college football generates, this will never happen.

Hellcrooner
12-03-2011, 04:48 PM
^thanks you saved me 5 minutes

And as a proof of how the football is here right now.


In spain no pro league, theres a national league but you are an amateur.

there so little interest that its not uncommon to find ads in the newspapers askig for players for the city team.

i thought actually to make the trials, and would probably go trough then even if at 34 years old but the training facility is 50 miles from where i live and dont have the time.
http://www.zaragozahurricanes.com/equipofutbolamericano.php

ChiSoxJuan
12-03-2011, 05:19 PM
You have to understand though that part of the gridiron game's success is rooted in developing rivalries. Those rivalries are first formed at the collegiate level. Just because it's not there now, doesn't mean it can't be developed. NFL Europe came into being because owners there wanted a piece of the action. But they didn't understand the gridiron culture. They actually felt Europeans would take to the game having little to no connection with American born players.

The $ pouring into collegiate footbal in the states won't be ignored by the rest of the world. We're already talking about $100 tickets for some schools & $100M TV contracts for some conferences.

NFL expansion occurs in pairs of 2 & the next figures to be Tor & another team in LA. After that the NFL will set it's sights on global expansion & you can figure on these cities:
Tokyo vs Kyoto
Sao Paulo vs Rio
Mumbai vs Kolkata
Shanghai vs Beijing
Paris vs London
Buenos Aires vs Mexico City

That's a total of 14 more teams bringing the league to 46 with what will probably be a 22 gm schedule then. With the regular season starting in Aug & ending with the SB on President's Day weekend.

This is going to take decades because I don't think it can happen without local player support in those cities. Ideally cities in these schools would adopt the sport & get in on the colegiate action. But if that's not possible then the NFL will facilitate somehow local kids from these cities playing for American schools. I also would not rule out some American schools branching out in these cities. There is already evidence of this happening in the globe. Stanford in particular.

montazingmvp
12-03-2011, 05:58 PM
You have to understand though that part of the gridiron game's success is rooted in developing rivalries. Those rivalries are first formed at the collegiate level. Just because it's not there now, doesn't mean it can't be developed. NFL Europe came into being because owners there wanted a piece of the action. But they didn't understand the gridiron culture. They actually felt Europeans would take to the game having little to no connection with American born players.

The $ pouring into collegiate footbal in the states won't be ignored by the rest of the world. We're already talking about $100 tickets for some schools & $100M TV contracts for some conferences.

NFL expansion occurs in pairs of 2 & the next figures to be Tor & another team in LA. After that the NFL will set it's sights on global expansion & you can figure on these cities:
Tokyo vs Kyoto
Sao Paulo vs Rio
Mumbai vs Kolkata
Shanghai vs Beijing
Paris vs London
Buenos Aires vs Mexico City

That's a total of 14 more teams bringing the league to 46 with what will probably be a 22 gm schedule then. With the regular season starting in Aug & ending with the SB on President's Day weekend.

This is going to take decades because I don't think it can happen without local player support in those cities. Ideally cities in these schools would adopt the sport & get in on the colegiate action. But if that's not possible then the NFL will facilitate somehow local kids from these cities playing for American schools. I also would not rule out some American schools branching out in these cities. There is already evidence of this happening in the globe. Stanford in particular.


big dreams.

Anilyzer
12-03-2011, 06:04 PM
Actually there is/was an English game called Stoolball that is almost certainly the common ancestor of both Baseball and Cricket.

So basically Baseball has English origins.

Stoolball then almost certainly has roots in africa, where they hit a ball of string with a stick or something.

In any event, baseball is completely different from cricket, in hundreds of ways, so to say they are derived from one another is just wrong. The human body can only move in so many ways, almost all sports are a combination of hitting or throwing, running, jumping, etc.

Not to bash soccer, but the fact that it centers only on running and kicking probably makes it the simplest and most primitive of all sports--but that is part of its charm though

montazingmvp
12-03-2011, 06:46 PM
Stoolball then almost certainly has roots in africa, where they hit a ball of string with a stick or something.

In any event, baseball is completely different from cricket, in hundreds of ways, so to say they are derived from one another is just wrong. The human body can only move in so many ways, almost all sports are a combination of hitting or throwing, running, jumping, etc.

Not to bash soccer, but the fact that it centers only on running and kicking probably makes it the simplest and most primitive of all sports--but that is part of its charm though

why is running and kicking more primitive than running and throwing?

ChiSoxJuan
12-03-2011, 07:25 PM
I'll explain this again to the simpleton who doesn't even realize that his sport will be without head strikes soon enough. The NFL game is powered by the biggest names in network TV across the globe. It is a tailor made game for national TV. It is capable of a 70% share in N America & that was well before the rise of the Internet. A Chicago vs New England matchup today might even be able to exceed that. With the Internet & the rise of social networking football has transcended a normal sports culture to that of now being a betting/gaming culture. Fantasy leagues are a form of both.

To suggest it will not spread across the globe is nonsense & completely unsupported by facts. You're the kind of person that would look at Facebook during it's early Ivy League days & conclude it will always be small time. In less than 10 yrs, it's become the biggest user registry on the Net today.

ESPN is so confident in American football these days that it now feature High School games of the week. That's right. High School Football games in America get better ratings on ESPN than MLS games.

So you have to be quite dumb to think that the youth of the world that are connecting with America's youth more than ever before are not going to take a liking to a game that brings war like action to a chess match.

So when your sport is reduced to mostly footwork & waiting for balls to drop to the ground you can kiss goodbye the Modern Warfare generation. They'll be playing Madden's latest version of the NFL & wanting to see a game live.

montazingmvp
12-03-2011, 07:38 PM
I'll explain this again to the simpleton who doesn't even realize that his sport will be without head strikes soon enough.

WHAT?


The NFL game is powered by the biggest names in network TV across the globe. It is a tailor made game for national TV. It is capable of a 70% share in N America & that was well before the rise of the Internet. A Chicago vs New England matchup today might even be able to exceed that. With the Internet & the rise of social networking football has transcended a normal sports culture to that of now being a betting/gaming culture. Fantasy leagues are a form of both.

American football, is tailor made for AMERICAN National TV. People in Europe or Asia don't care that football is hugely popular in America, it makes no difference to them...




To suggest it will not spread across the globe is nonsense & completely unsupported by facts. You're the kind of person that would look at Facebook during it's early Ivy League days & conclude it will always be small time. In less than 10 yrs, it's become the biggest user registry on the Net today.

...




ESPN is so confident in American football these days that it now feature High School games of the week. That's right. High School Football games in America get better ratings on ESPN than MLS games.

In America.



So you have to be quite dumb to think that the youth of the world that are connecting with America's youth more than ever before are not go to take a liking to a game that brings war like action to a chess match.

This is all very amusing...

BKLYNpigeon
12-03-2011, 07:39 PM
Nothing will EVER compete with soccer. its the only sport the really brings the world together.

1 billion people were watching the World Cup Last year. about 25% of the world.

The FIBA Basketball championships will never be on the same level as the World CUP.

ChiSoxJuan
12-03-2011, 07:46 PM
Since you are obviously clueless to the game of football itself let me spell it out for you.

1) special teams : kickoffs, punts, & drop-kicks, extra points, field goals
All of these plays involve kicking the football 40 yds or more. On kickoffs & punts, returners have to catch the ball & mount their returns. These are some of the most exciting plays in all of sports.

2) passing : this requires numerous skills. You have footwork by both the QB & receiver to get open. The QB has to hit the target either at a stop or in stride & the receiver has to catch the ball. Yards after the catch are usually as exciting as return yardage on kicks. The QB sometimes has to avoid a sack by making pivotal moves in a sliding pocket of protection by offensive lineman. In addition you have footwork by backs to pick up blitzers. Then you have defensive ends that twist their large bodies every way possible to gain an advance on a QB.

3) rushing : there is power rushing & finese rushing. Power rushing is brute force between tackles. Strength vs strength. Finese rushing is waiting for a hole to develop from a blocking scheme & then darting through the hole & looking for seams in the rest of the defense. You sometimes can see rushers do 360 pivots, start, stop, side steps, jigs, & any other move you can imagine at hi-speed to avoid a tackle.

4) trick plays : fake punts, on-side kickoffs, reverses, play-action, fake reverses, fake handoffs, bootlegs, QB sneak, screens, etc. These plays are designed to fool the defenses into thinking they are something else than what they really are.

It's really not hard to understand why Football is tailor made for network TV. 10 secs of action for every 40 or more secs on the clock. The fans & announcers anaylze what just happened between plays. In the near future, even replays will have some kind of ad support. Easier to do with digital technology. You're arguing that a sport tailor made for network TV won't make inroads in the biggest cities in the world. That's just plain stupid.

BKLYNpigeon
12-03-2011, 07:46 PM
In the NFL theres an average of 12 minutes of action. LOL. so you have another 2 hours and 48 minutes, of commentary, fouls, stoppage time, commercials and more commercials.

Football is tailor made for networks, corporations and businesses. its all about commercials and making money.

montazingmvp
12-03-2011, 07:50 PM
Since you are obviously clueless to the game of football itself let me spell it out for you.

1) special teams : kickoffs, punts, & drop-kicks, extra points, field goals
All of these plays involve kicking the football 40 yrs or more. On kickoffs & punts, returners have to catch the balls & mount their returns. These are some of the most exciting plays in all of sports.

2) passing : this requires numerous skills. You have footwork by both the QB & receiver to get open. The QB has to hit the target either at a stop or in stride & the receiver has to catch the ball. Yards after the catch are usually as exciting as return yardage on kicks. The QB sometimes has to avoid a sack by making pivotal moves in a sliding pocket of protection by offensive lineman.

3) rushing : there is power rushing & finese rushing. Power rushing is brute force between tackles. Strength vs strength. Finese rushing is waiting for a hole to develop from a blocking scheme & then darting through the hole & looking for seams in the rest of the defense. You sometimes can see rushers do 360 pivots, start, stop, side steps, jigs, & any other move you can imagine at hi-speed to avoid a tackle.

4) trick plays : fake punts, on-side kickoffs, reverses, play-action, fake reverses, fake handoffs, bootlegs, QB sneak, screens, etc. These plays are designed to fool the defenses into thinking they are something else than what they really are.

It's really not hard to understand why Football is tailor made for network TV. 10 secs of action for every 40 or more secs on the clock. The fans & announcers anaylze what just happened between plays. In the near future, even replays will have some kind of ad support. Easier to do with digital technology. You're arguing that a sport tailor made for network TV won't make inroads in the biggest cities in the world. That's just plain stupid.

It works in America because there is already an interest. You can't force people to tune into certain television channels simply because its tailor made for TV...

There still has to be an interest in the sport...

ChiSoxJuan
12-03-2011, 07:53 PM
Exactly. That's why it's a sure bet to spread across the globe. In game ad support after a play is called dead is inevitable. You don't need the entire screen for a replay. That means more $ generated per broadcast. It works because fans love to talk about the game as much as they do watching it. There is no better sport to take advantage of the social networking craze the world is in now than the NFL.

BKLYNpigeon
12-03-2011, 07:56 PM
As much as I love Football. I mostly watch the NFL Red Zone Channel Unless my 49ers are playing.

but seriously,


NFL - 12 mins of action

Futbol - 1.5 hours of action

montazingmvp
12-03-2011, 07:59 PM
Exactly. That's why it's a sure bet to spread across the globe. In game ad support after a play is called dead is inevitable. You don't need the entire screen for a replay. That means more $ generated per broadcast. It works because fans love to talk about the game as much as they do watching it. There is no better sport to take advantage of the social networking craze the world is in now than the NFL.

Alright, let me know when that happens.