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shafty
11-12-2011, 09:12 PM
We've all seen those who transcend their position/play with noticeable physical differences. Who stands out the most? Who accomplishes(accomplished) the most with the most hindrance?

smith&wesson
11-12-2011, 09:42 PM
welcome to psd shafty.

just so i get your question clear... what your asking is which player deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected the most out of anyone??

Cal827
11-12-2011, 10:00 PM
PG: Jason Kidd, I know he's a pass first PG, but in his prime he put up great rebounding numbers, so did Magic.. That's very rare. On the other hand, Mike James, who basically only looks for his own shot is also an anomaly.

SG: Can't really think of one, a lot of the best ones can do everything out there.

SF: Same as SG.... Maybe Lebron/T-Mac since they do/did everything quite well and SF usually aren't as good passers.

PF: Randolph Maybe? Most PFs have a better mid range game.

C: Brad Miller (A passing Center). Bargnani (can score a lot, but can't defend or rebound properly).

shafty
11-12-2011, 10:05 PM
welcome to psd shafty.

just so i get your question clear... what your asking is which player deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected the most out of anyone??

mostly that, yep. i'm mostly interested in what people think about those who overachieved despite having physical disabilities of some sort - height, weight, etc.

i.e. jason kidd may put up high rebound numbers, but he's no anomaly. we've seen plenty of 6'4 point guards of his stature.

Cal827
11-12-2011, 10:14 PM
mostly that, yep. i'm mostly interested in what people think about those who overachieved despite having physical disabilities of some sort - height, weight, etc.

i.e. jason kidd may put up high rebound numbers, but he's no anomaly. we've seen plenty of 6'4 point guards of his stature.

oh my mistake.. On Height I can think of a few.

PG: Shawn Livingston. He's 6-7 which you rarely see. I think Magic was 6-9
SG: Wade. He's only 6'4 I believe. AI was 6-0
SF: Buckner at 6-4. Many SGs are also SFs
PF:Barkley was 6-6 I believe.
C: Chuch Hayes and Dejuan Blair I think are each 6-7. Shawn Bradley was 7-6. Wallace 6-9

shafty
11-13-2011, 04:16 PM
great call on ben wallace - can't believe i forgot him. the best center for his size ever maybe???

my list consisted of dwyane wade, charles barkley (6'4 3/4"), muggsey bogues, larry johnson, and allen iverson. considering their legacy + how great they were despite their physical disadvantages, i put barkley at #1, wade #2, muggsey #3, AI #4, LJ #5.

PrettyBoyJ
11-13-2011, 04:30 PM
Magic 6'9 being able to handle the ball and be a floor general guy is the definition of Point-Forward..

5ass
11-13-2011, 04:33 PM
Ai

Yahweh
11-13-2011, 04:34 PM
Dennis Rodman would be number #1 on my list.

Giraffes Rule
11-13-2011, 04:48 PM
oh my mistake.. On Height I can think of a few.

PG: Shawn Livingston. He's 6-7 which you rarely see. I think Magic was 6-9
SG: Wade. He's only 6'4 I believe. AI was 6-0
SF: Buckner at 6-4. Many SGs are also SFs
PF:Barkley was 6-6 I believe.
C: Chuch Hayes and Dejuan Blair I think are each 6-7. Shawn Bradley was 7-6. Wallace 6-9

Blair may be listed as a center, but he plays PF. Like Duncan is listed as a PF still, but has moved to the role of the center position. Still a bit undersized for a power forward, but his ridiculous wing span makes up for that.

While he's not a great player, JJ Barea is pretty impressive to watch. He's listed at 6 foot, but he's closer to 5'10". He does a great job of keeping up defensively with bigger players, and is able to knock down threes as well.

smith&wesson
11-13-2011, 05:00 PM
mostly that, yep. i'm mostly interested in what people think about those who overachieved despite having physical disabilities of some sort - height, weight, etc.

i.e. jason kidd may put up high rebound numbers, but he's no anomaly. we've seen plenty of 6'4 point guards of his stature.

I would say muggsy bogues. the guy was actually a good pg at 5'3 in the nba. and one of my favs when playing with zo and LJ.

more recently earl boykins

shafty
11-13-2011, 05:01 PM
Magic 6'9 being able to handle the ball and be a floor general guy is the definition of Point-Forward..

magic was not disabled by his physical qualities. rather, he was enabled by them

shafty
11-13-2011, 05:03 PM
Dennis Rodman would be number #1 on my list.

we have seen plenty of 6'8-6'9 PFs. not specialists like rodman of course, but the point is that he had no noticeable physical limitations.

CostanzaNumba0
11-13-2011, 05:40 PM
wade is a 6'4 shooting guard, maybe undersized by an inch but hes nowhere near is limited as barkley was, barkley is the definition of an anomoly, he was a monster pf at 6'4

Bishnoff
11-13-2011, 06:05 PM
PG: Muggsy Bogues (5'3") and Earl Boykins (5'5")
SG: AI (6'0" if that)
PF: Barkley (6'6") and Rodman (6'6")

Iodine
11-13-2011, 06:14 PM
The Dantley man can
A 6-5 208 player whose game is based off the most swag post game he could have and shooting ******** amounts of FT's

shafty
11-13-2011, 06:39 PM
heh.. dantley, no, and rodman was not 6'6" =/

Bramaca
11-13-2011, 06:39 PM
I always thought Kevin Willis being as good a rebounder as he was with his mini-arms was quite an accomplishment. In scouting they make such a big deal about wingspan, top scouted players usually have one a few inches greater then their height atleast. Willis was 7' tall with a wingspan of 6'6". Toss some midget arms on a 7'er and you have Kevin Willis.

smith&wesson
11-13-2011, 06:46 PM
PG: Muggsy Bogues (5'3") and Earl Boykins (5'5")
SG: AI (6'0" if that)
PF: Barkley (6'6") and Rodman (6'6")

those are good ones. out standing rebounders at theyre height.,

Cal827
11-13-2011, 06:48 PM
Reggie Evans is also an excellent rebounder yet he's 6'8 and doesn't jump.

smith&wesson
11-13-2011, 06:49 PM
heh.. dantley, no, and rodman was not 6'6" =/

at most rodman was 6'8. and even then at 6'8 he was a beast on the boards.

djeller1139
11-13-2011, 06:55 PM
Chris Webber as a passer at PF/C?

Bramaca
11-13-2011, 06:57 PM
Chris Webber as a passer at PF/C?

Russell, Chamberlain, Lucas, Sabonis, Divac - its not that abnormal for a big to be a very good passer.

Iodine
11-13-2011, 06:57 PM
Oliver Miller broke the obesity barrier in the NBA

smith&wesson
11-13-2011, 07:31 PM
Magic has a case. Most players at 6'9 are 4's. Magic could play all 5 positions. And did. His natural position was pg which is also pretty crazy for someone whos 6'9.

Also lebron can play 4 positions. He can pass like a pg and rebound like a pf.

C_Mund
11-13-2011, 07:36 PM
we have seen plenty of 6'8-6'9 PFs. not specialists like rodman of course, but the point is that he had no noticeable physical limitations.

...but ones that are pretty much the best rebounders of all-time? Rodman could guard almost any position on the floor and could take possessions away from opponents way bigger than him.

I'll throw Pistol Pete in there...his size wasn't detrimental but being a slow white sg is usually not the optimal situation for scoring like a machine.

3RDASYSTEM
11-13-2011, 08:06 PM
IVERSON was a 5'9 Shooting Guard, 5'10 max but they list him at 6ft to make up for the 2inches they pretty much give every player in NBA..he was listed 6'1 at G'TOWN, how do u shrink in 2yrs at 20yrs young?

Also BARKLEY was listed at 6'6 but was 6'4 and vert dunking on 7footers so that was unreal, JORDAN/BARKLEY are same height, and i know wat im talking about cause JORDAN took a pick with boxer NUNN who was also 6'4' so i know the league gives u inches, NATE ROB is 5'7 but listed at 5'9 and same with BOYKINS who listed at 5'5 but is 5'3, STOUDAMIRE is not 6'10 he's LEBRON height which is? and i chopped it up with T.HUDSON yrs back and he said IVERSON shorter than him, thats when i knew IVERSON was the best 'individually' in the league being that size in a big mans league,HUDSON was 5'10 max and im being generous

Wolves2002
11-13-2011, 08:55 PM
Ben Wallace.
6-9 rebounding, blocking, defensive machine.

shafty
11-13-2011, 09:09 PM
...but ones that are pretty much the best rebounders of all-time? Rodman could guard almost any position on the floor and could take possessions away from opponents way bigger than him.

I'll throw Pistol Pete in there...his size wasn't detrimental but being a slow white sg is usually not the optimal situation for scoring like a machine.


yes, rodman could guard almost any position. but he's no anomaly. again: this is about people who had some sort of disadvantage at their position.

also, another thing: a lot of you tend to exaggerate with height. just because a player looks tiny compared to the giants around him, that doesn't make his listed height completely off. players get to choose whether they are measured with shoes on or off, and that's the extent of it. so, no, iverson is not 5'9". he's very close to 6'0". and rodman is not 6'6", he's more around 6'8".

shafty
11-14-2011, 06:04 PM
avery johnson

Tony_Starks
11-14-2011, 06:46 PM
Rasheed Wallace is one of mine. I've never seen a post player like him at his height that had such a array of post moves and footwork, racked up multiple 100blk seasons, but could still shoot like a guard. Could've been one of the best PF's ever if he wasn't completely and utterly insane.......

Reversed86Curse
11-14-2011, 07:01 PM
Glen Davis- too small for Power Forward, too fat for small forward, too big and can't shoot well enough for shooting guard..... a total anomoly

b_russ
11-14-2011, 08:06 PM
Earl Boykins man is listed at 5'5" 139lbs. His max bench press is 315 pounds.

shafty
11-14-2011, 09:32 PM
Rasheed Wallace is one of mine. I've never seen a post player like him at his height that had such a array of post moves and footwork, racked up multiple 100blk seasons, but could still shoot like a guard. Could've been one of the best PF's ever if he wasn't completely and utterly insane.......

you've never seen another post player at 6'11 with "such an array of post moves and footwork"? come on now. pretty much any of the game's elite centers surpass Sheed in those categories, and guys like McHale and Hakeem absolutely destroy him. granted, he can shoot the 3 better than almost all his size (i won't talk about how he shoots too many), but dirk is a far better shooter than him at the same size.

whoever pointed out glen davis, i agree. nice. he might get the nod because his size does limit him a little, i think. he'd be even more agile with a smaller frame which could help his production considerably.

koreancabbage
11-14-2011, 09:33 PM
Ron Artest

Dennis Rodman

JasonJohnHorn
11-15-2011, 01:53 AM
Stockton. The two most untouchable records in the NBA. He did for several seasons what only two players have ever even done once: record over a 1000 assists in a season. Then he played 'til he was 40 posting the highest assists-per numbers in the league, with one of the best assist-to-turnover ratios ever. And don't even get me started about his steals.

JasonJohnHorn
11-15-2011, 01:54 AM
Earl Boykins man is listed at 5'5" 139lbs. His max bench press is 315 pounds.

I LOVE your Mockton to Stalone pic! BRILLIANT!!!!

shafty
11-15-2011, 02:45 AM
Stockton. The two most untouchable records in the NBA. He did for several seasons what only two players have ever even done once: record over a 1000 assists in a season. Then he played 'til he was 40 posting the highest assists-per numbers in the league, with one of the best assist-to-turnover ratios ever. And don't even get me started about his steals.

1. stockton is no anomaly - we've seen plenty of PGs with his stature over the years

2. stockton was not inhibited by his physique

come on guys... it's not that difficult to read

shafty
11-15-2011, 02:53 AM
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THE GIPPER
11-15-2011, 02:57 AM
andrea bargnani. 7ft and cant get a rebound

Kashmir13579
11-15-2011, 03:36 AM
Rondo. Can't shoot at all and he's one of the best PGs in the world. Also his hands are freakishly large.

Kashmir13579
11-15-2011, 03:37 AM
Rasheed Wallace is one of mine. I've never seen a post player like him at his height that had such a array of post moves and footwork, racked up multiple 100blk seasons, but could still shoot like a guard. Could've been one of the best PF's ever if he wasn't completely and utterly insane.......

Well said.

shafty
11-15-2011, 08:05 PM
you guys definitely pinpointed the many different types of anomalies present in the NBA. i was personally more interested in those who were anomalies in terms of size at their position (as opposed to playstyles/abilities), but i find both pretty interesting.

anyway, here's my article highlighting the best anomalies of all time, while being a charles barkley tribute. what do you guys think? http://www.shaftyisweak.blogspot.com/