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29$JerZ
11-12-2011, 09:25 AM
I turnt on ESPN and quickly saw this as being discussed, along with lux teams prohibited from S/T and the 14/15 roster players entering D League and having an effect on the CAP

What is everyone's thought on raising the age limit though? It was a big deal when they enforced a minimal of 1 year in college. Are you for this or against this it if it happens.

PhillyFaninLA
11-12-2011, 09:57 AM
I turned it on and saw it to.

I think you either get rid of the 1 year requirement which I think has hurt the college game and colleges in general by forcing non committed people to go to school for 1 year and go to class for 1 semester or you raise the age to enter the NBA to 21 whether you went to college or not, this would add to the college game, bring better more experienced and well rounded players into the NBA, and you would have better more well rounded and more educated people. The value of the last point is more education means more knowledge and more knowledge leads to better decisions but it also gives bad people more rope to reveal their true lack integrity so you know they didn't fake a work ethic and good values for 1 season.

Cosmic_Canon
11-12-2011, 10:23 AM
I turned it on and saw it to.

I think you either get rid of the 1 year requirement which I think has hurt the college game and colleges in general by forcing non committed people to go to school for 1 year and go to class for 1 semester or you raise the age to enter the NBA to 21 whether you went to college or not, this would add to the college game, bring better more experienced and well rounded players into the NBA, and you would have better more well rounded and more educated people. The value of the last point is more education means more knowledge and more knowledge leads to better decisions but it also gives bad people more rope to reveal their true lack integrity so you know they didn't fake a work ethic and good values for 1 season.

You know what, even though I hate the college requirement, you made a great point. I believe you should be able to come out of NBA, if NBA scouts have a consensus that you'd be a lottery pick in April. If you're not seen as a lottery pick in April, then you must go to college for a year, the athlete can get a NBA scout evaluation following every season in college.
I believe with this rule, you'd see more college players leave when they're ready, since they'd know how the NBA sees them and what they need to improve.

MILLERHIGHLIFE
11-12-2011, 11:21 AM
S&T is BS anyway. Shouldn't be allowed.

cardinals1226
11-12-2011, 11:28 AM
You can enter the draft after high school. If you choose to go to school, you can't enter until after your sophomore year. If you remain in school, you can enter after your senior year. A bit restrict, but the age limit is slowly ruining college basketball. This way gives the player options and still allows them to get a college education too.

Dade County
11-12-2011, 11:31 AM
You should be able to play in the NBA right out of high school...

So I would do it like this; the player has a choice, leave high school and go straight to the league or spend 2yrs in college before you can enter into the NBA.

That solves everything to me... Because I really don't think the one and done college experiment is working, these young kids are not really learning anything from these colleges, and it causes to many rule violations; because that young college student doesn't really care what happens to the school after they leave.

daleja424
11-12-2011, 11:33 AM
I like the baseball rule.

You can come straight out of highschool... but if you go to college, you are there for more than a year. One and done is just pointless.

beasted86
11-12-2011, 12:33 PM
I think a 20yr old limit will be better for the players in the long run, but that's not the NBA's motivation for the rule.

ChiSox219
11-12-2011, 12:39 PM
The NBA has little incentive to do what's good for college basketball. I'm okay with 1 and done and I don't think this is the time to be dealing with this rule.

I'd prefer straight out of high school

pd1dish
11-12-2011, 12:45 PM
i think that the rule should be that you are allowed to go straight from high school because there are obviously a couple guys every few years that could easily go straight to the NBA. however, if you choose to go to college, i think that you should be required to be there for 2 years. i dont like all these one and done players.

THE MTL
11-12-2011, 12:53 PM
I think it should be changed back to right out of high school. But as for now, just leave the rule alone

Tony_Starks
11-12-2011, 12:54 PM
The only reason the NBA instituted the age limit in the first place is because they were receiving pressure from the colleges that were missing out making their money off the Kobe's and Lebrons of the world. Then the players quickly figured out if they had enough game they could just do a one and done, goof off for a semester and split on a high note so it blew up in their face.

Then they never figured they'd have someone like Jennings who averted the whole process and says ok how about I go overseas straight from highschool, make some money playing against professional competition, and still come back to the nba.

GodsSon
11-12-2011, 01:04 PM
They would screw us out of a potential star by implementing this BS in the wake of a loaded 2012 draft.

ne3xchamps
11-12-2011, 01:13 PM
The NBA has little incentive to do what's good for college basketball. I'm okay with 1 and done and I don't think this is the time to be dealing with this rule.

I'd prefer straight out of high school

I agree. If you are a beast right out of high school, (kobe, KG, Lebron), and can hang with the big boys, why not? IF they don't get drafted, then they go and play college ball for a year.

smith&wesson
11-12-2011, 01:19 PM
i like it. it gives players a chance to get an education. also players would be more mature entering the league.

rickyk13
11-12-2011, 01:25 PM
How about everyone is draft eligable when they are 18 and then the teams own there rights and the player can either A) sign and play right out of high school B) sign and play in the d league C) go to school for 2 years 3 years or 4 years (depending on making the nba roster out of camp if not returning to school). This gives maybe potential for a few more rounds of the draft and would encourage fringe nba players to stay and get there degree. Kind of like the hockey system I know the big thing is college kids will be tempted by bribes etc. But its 2012 id rather my kid take a bribe than a coaches dick in the ***

Sactown
11-12-2011, 01:54 PM
I like the rule, but unfortunately I think it's going to make the draft less of a mystery, and I think you're going to have a better idea what you're getting when you draft a player

Mr_Jones
11-12-2011, 01:55 PM
I'd like to see players be more educated.. It's embarrassing seeing these players get drafted and then hearing them speak in the draft interviews.

Even though you're good at basketball, it'd be nice if you could speak intellectually too. If that were to happen, the image of the NBA would improve drastically.

smith&wesson
11-12-2011, 02:08 PM
I like the rule, but unfortunately I think it's going to make the draft less of a mystery, and I think you're going to have a better idea what you're getting when you draft a player

why is that unfortunate ? hopefully this leads to having less busts. who likes those ? not me

Sactown
11-12-2011, 02:13 PM
why is that unfortunate ? hopefully this leads to having less busts. who likes those ? not me

It's exciting to guess who's going to make it and who isn't haha

PurpleJesus
11-12-2011, 02:19 PM
I like college basketball, so I would be all for it.

Watching the NCAA tournament last year, I was blown away thinking of what we could have been watching, before it was the norm for players to enter the draft early...

all these players would have been a senior or younger....Love, Westbrook, Wall, Blake, evan turner, jrue holiday, rose, Eric Gordon, Kevin Durant...the list just goes on and on...how great would it have been to see college basketball stacked with that talent? I didnt even mention the top picks from this draft....raising the age limit would go a long way to making college basketball more enjoyable to watch.

Tony_Starks
11-12-2011, 03:08 PM
I'd like to see players be more educated.. It's embarrassing seeing these players get drafted and then hearing them speak in the draft interviews.

Even though you're good at basketball, it'd be nice if you could speak intellectually too. If that were to happen, the image of the NBA would improve drastically.


I think that has to do more with socio-economic factors and parenting than attending college. Going to college for a year or two isn't going to transform someone into a eloquent speaker. At the same token there are some players that have never went to college that are very articulate......

Confusious
11-12-2011, 03:11 PM
I like the age limit, because Derrick Rose will be the youngest MVP in history, forever.

/trollface

kozelkid
11-12-2011, 04:11 PM
I like the baseball rule.

You can come straight out of highschool... but if you go to college, you are there for more than a year. One and done is just pointless.

Agreed. I really wish we had more of a minor league system though. Let's be honest, D League is a joke. I mean I'm aware that baseball takes more development than basketball since it's more skill based than just pure athleticism, but I'd still like the idea of prospect academies, particularly in other parts of the world where teams can scout and look to add players as young as say 16 in other parts of the world.

PrettyBoyJ
11-12-2011, 04:27 PM
I think its a good rule being 20 to enter the draft, kids will actually stay in school longer and maybe even get an associates degree and it also helps the NBA as far as talent. Guys can develop while playing in college and Team don't have to draft "one-and-done" players who are under develop.. Of course the players wouldn't like this rule but for the future of the NBA this is a great move.

JWO35
11-12-2011, 04:28 PM
I think you should be eligible after your Sr. year in HS...I mean most of these 1-and done guys would have came out of HS anyway, so the players going to College would be less likely to be one and done unless they have a phenomenal Freshmen year

AndyfromNeptune
11-12-2011, 04:43 PM
I personally think the job requirements to enter the NBA should include 2 years of college education (associates degree) or at least one year of professional basketball (overseas or in the D league)

Skills wise, guys like Kobe and Garnett could compete with the best of them, but physically they were not mature enough coming out of high school.

Heediot
11-12-2011, 05:45 PM
It's bad for individual liberty however it's also good for the game. It's good for the game because some kids need time to develop their games in college. This is especially true for big men. Big men nowadays lack fundamentals and mainly rely on athleticism. This is why we are in an era of weakness at the 5 position. People go through high school ball relying purely on their athleticism. More years in college will help them hone their weaknesses.

It's bad for individual liberty because it limits one freedom of choice as to what he or she can do. However, the same argument can be made for porn, cigarettes, gambling, and alcohol.

mzgrizz
11-12-2011, 05:45 PM
Like the ok to come out of HS but if you go to college, then it's 2 and then you can be through

kozelkid
11-12-2011, 05:50 PM
It's bad for individual liberty however it's also good for the game. It's good for the game because some kids need time to develop their games in college. This is especially true for big men. Big men nowadays lack fundamentals and mainly rely on athleticism. This is why we are in an era of weakness at the 5 position. People go through high school ball relying purely on their athleticism. More years in college will help them hone their weaknesses.

It's bad for individual liberty because it limits one freedom of choice as to what he or she can do. However, the same argument can be made for porn, cigarettes, gambling, and alcohol.

Except all those laws with exception to alcohol are limited til age 18. So why can't a player play in the NBA at age 18? And I think most of us can agree that the age for alcohol being 21 is incredibly stupid, especially when you consider we can join the army and essentially kill others at age 18, but not drink til 21. :laugh2:

Of course this is kind going off topic...

GeekInThePink
11-12-2011, 06:27 PM
I think be able to enter the draft straight out of high school, but if they don't they have to go to University/College for four years.

h2r09
11-12-2011, 07:23 PM
This 1 and done rule is awful. Kids need to be in college at least 2 years and no chance of coming from high school either. There are way to many kids coming in and wasting roster spots because they are so incredibly raw and not close to strong enough to play in the league yet. THe draft would suck for 2 years but it needs to be like football. You can only leave if you are a junior or redshirt sophomore. The players would be much more developed from the get go and make the league more competitive as bad teams would have prospects ready to go when they get in the league.

gwrighter
11-12-2011, 08:37 PM
there's no real argument for it basketball wise. It's not like an extra year of college will educate the players substantially more on the potential CBA implications. If the player has the value to be drafted then why not allow that to happen? The NCAA benefits but what does the NBA get in exchange? There must be some back room deal because it only really benefits the NCAA & not even the NBA or NBA players.

Tony_Starks
11-12-2011, 08:48 PM
I hope no one still is under the mistaken notion that college is getting these kids ready for the nba. A year or two of passing the ball around the perimeter and jacking up 3's is not exactly preppin you for the pro's. They don't even teach big men proper footwork anymore.

It's pretty much all about the money.......

MrfadeawayJB
11-12-2011, 11:27 PM
You should be able to play in the NBA right out of high school...

So I would do it like this; the player has a choice, leave high school and go straight to the league or spend 2yrs in college before you can enter into the NBA.

That solves everything to me... Because I really don't think the one and done college experiment is working, these young kids are not really learning anything from these colleges, and it causes to many rule violations; because that young college student doesn't really care what happens to the school after they leave.

I really like this rule, but one problem is not adressed. What if you got a guy who is a possible NBA draft pick out of hs, but would be better off being in college for 1 year to hone their skills. However; this player comes from a poor background and is not very smart. How does this kid stay for two years under this proposed rule? He needs the money the NBA offers, and is not bright enough to stay in academically eligible for college.

gwrighter
11-12-2011, 11:35 PM
I hope no one still is under the mistaken notion that college is getting these kids ready for the nba. A year or two of passing the ball around the perimeter and jacking up 3's is not exactly preppin you for the pro's. They don't even teach big men proper footwork anymore.

It's pretty much all about the money.......

Exactly, NCAA has been pimping their athletes for years. Granted in exchange for a free education, but that's still pimping.

specialiststeve
11-12-2011, 11:41 PM
I hope no one still is under the mistaken notion that college is getting these kids ready for the nba. A year or two of passing the ball around the perimeter and jacking up 3's is not exactly preppin you for the pro's. They don't even teach big men proper footwork anymore.

It's pretty much all about the money.......

disagree completely. Fundamental of the game have been so negativly affected over the last 10-15 years it is STUNNIING!! Having the young studs play 2 years in collage and grow up a bit while learning the game is a Ton better than having a bunch of skinny guys that can run and jump sitting on the end of the NBA bench with out a clue of actually knowin the game.

Second it allows the NBA teams to see what kind of player they may be getting against better competition. High school kids and even freshmen are still trying to figure it out. Win/win for the NBA and the NCAA basketball. Who loses out, the kids that are coming out HS that may or may not be ready.

I would actually like it to be like NCAA football and have them eligable after their JR. year but one step at a time.

gwrighter
11-13-2011, 12:38 PM
The development argument is not a very strong argument because once again the NBA has more resources when talking about development(coaches, access to facilities, trainers, training programs). Also kids don't have to go to school while playing ball so they can focus 100% on there game & bodies. Plus an NBA team can cater a players development to suit that teams individual need & not a the college team needs.

ink
11-13-2011, 12:51 PM
i like it. it gives players a chance to get an education. also players would be more mature entering the league.

If you look at how thoroughly unprepared and uneducated the players were by their union in these negotiations you have to think it would be in the players' interests to get more education.

Just read Sam Amick's comments about the lack of understanding and information flow among players ...


The inefficiency in communication and organization from the players at such a dire time is astounding to me.


Because the players don’t want to try and understand these concepts, not enough of them. Get into a conversation on Twitter with a player and you’re going to hear the same talking points over and over again. “We’ve given up $3 billion over ten years!” and “We’ve made concession after concession!” The same things.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...in-this-fight/

B2B
11-13-2011, 12:56 PM
The age rule is why I laugh at the pay window argument players have...

If that be the case & they want to implement an increase in age limit, why not make these atheletes finish school so they have something to fall back on when that window closes?.

Answer, players don't want that because of the allure of fame, easy money & the fact for some the education is only a free pass, not a direction in life. Without the NBA most of these players would have nothing yet they argue window of opportunity on which they can earn a living...

The educational system for atheletes & mindset is what is flawed IMO.

Easy money

ink
11-13-2011, 01:02 PM
The age rule is why I laugh at the pay window argument players have...

If that be the case & they want to implement an increase in age limit, why not make these atheletes finish school so they have something to fall back on when that window closes?.

Answer, players don't want that because of the allure of fame, easy money & the fact for some the education is only a free pass, not a direction in life. Without the NBA most of these players would have nothing yet they argue window of opportunity on which they can earn a living...

The educational system for atheletes & mindset is what is flawed IMO.

Easy money

B2B you're right but the times have gotten so cynical it's almost impossible to actually convince anyone that education should mean something to these athletes.

If it did, we'd have such a different league.

Corey
11-13-2011, 01:06 PM
I really like this rule, but one problem is not adressed. What if you got a guy who is a possible NBA draft pick out of hs, but would be better off being in college for 1 year to hone their skills. However; this player comes from a poor background and is not very smart. How does this kid stay for two years under this proposed rule? He needs the money the NBA offers, and is not bright enough to stay in academically eligible for college.
That's sort of his own fault. If you can't stay academically eligible when the rules are constantly getting bent for you because you're good at a sport, that's your own issue.

They have so many tutoring, help groups and assistants on hand to help college athletes at major programs. It's pretty tough to be academically ineligible as long as you're trying to pass.

Tom Stone
11-13-2011, 01:14 PM
I think it's good to have the one year college, it allows teams to get a better idea of a guy... and I'm not big on giving 18 year olds that kind of money, they are mentally to young and not ready....college will mature them and make them more ready to Handel their money more wisely......They say money ruins people......just look at lebron....in his first year he made the comment you better put a team around me or I'm out of here.....He came off as a spoiled young dude that had way to much money....you want to judge someone's character give them power, and see how they Handel it.

Chronz
11-13-2011, 01:16 PM
S&T is BS anyway. Shouldn't be allowed.

Its won teams chips for losing stars

Hawkeye15
11-13-2011, 01:26 PM
Either let them come straight out of high school, or they have to stay 2 years.

Honestly, if a kid can go get shot in Iraq, why shouldn't he be able to play in the NBA?

Foye
11-13-2011, 01:37 PM
I'm all for it considering it would decrease the value of the Wolves pick going to the Clippers by a good margin. :clap:

da ThRONe
11-13-2011, 01:47 PM
Like some have mentioned. It best to give them a choice. If they choose to play college ball make them stay at least two years. I would also add give high school kids lottery protection. If they aren't lottery picks given them the option to go to college for two years and give the teams that players rights when he becomes available again.

Cosmic_Canon
11-13-2011, 03:06 PM
I hope no one still is under the mistaken notion that college is getting these kids ready for the nba. A year or two of passing the ball around the perimeter and jacking up 3's is not exactly preppin you for the pro's. They don't even teach big men proper footwork anymore.

It's pretty much all about the money.......

Constantly spitting truth. :cool: