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JordansBulls
10-25-2011, 03:07 PM
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2011/10/top-50-derrick-rose-no-4/

RekeHavoc
10-25-2011, 03:10 PM
appropriate ranking, i wld have put him 5 but watever :)

29$JerZ
10-25-2011, 03:12 PM
I don't see why he should be ranked higher than Wade at all.
4 is too high imo

RekeHavoc
10-25-2011, 03:13 PM
I don't see why he should be ranked higher than Wade at all.
4 is too high imo
wade is #1 on my list

Cano4prez
10-25-2011, 03:15 PM
Not sure if serious

Iggz53
10-25-2011, 03:15 PM
I don't see why he should be ranked higher than Wade at all.
4 is too high imo

Yeah Wade should at least be top 3. I have Rose 7th after LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Dwight, and CP3 (in no particular order).

RekeHavoc
10-25-2011, 03:16 PM
makes u wonder if slam is run by the guys at bleacher report eh?

29$JerZ
10-25-2011, 03:18 PM
Technically I could see why you'd rank him over an injury year Deron and Paul now that he has a MVP to his name(I personally wouldn't though) but 4? Dwight, LeBron, Wade are clearly better than Rose at least.

RekeHavoc
10-25-2011, 03:19 PM
idk about clearly, but they are ahead of him, but heck, this kid hasnt even played 4 seasons yet,lol

juno10
10-25-2011, 03:22 PM
rose over both wade and dwight is just crazy to me.

beliges
10-25-2011, 03:25 PM
This is the best part of the league right now. There is no longer a definitive top player. The majority of the elite players in today's league are interchangeable depending on what you prefer.

Baller1
10-25-2011, 03:28 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Wade
4. Durant
5. CP3
6. Dirk
7. Kobe
8. Rose

That's how I see it.

Baller1
10-25-2011, 03:28 PM
This is the best part of the league right now. There is no longer a definitive top player. The majority of the elite players in today's league are interchangeable depending on what you prefer.

Lebron is the definitive top player.

juno10
10-25-2011, 03:31 PM
This is the best part of the league right now. There is no longer a definitive top player. The majority of the elite players in today's league are interchangeable depending on what you prefer.

i only think its interchangable between lebron,dwight,wade, i can not imagine anyone making an arguement for anyone else outisde of maybe kobe since some believe he can still be the old kobe. and no i didn't forget dirk.

DLeeicious
10-25-2011, 03:32 PM
Technically I could see why you'd rank him over an injury year Deron and Paul now that he has a MVP to his name(I personally wouldn't though) but 4? Dwight, LeBron, Wade are clearly better than Rose at least.

Deron better than Rose?


1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Wade
4. Durant
5. CP3
6. Dirk
7. Kobe
8. Rose

That's how I see it.

QFadmitting Rose>Westbrook :)


For the record, Rose at 4 is definitely too high, even us Bulls homers admit that. I have:
1. Bron
2. Dwight
3. Wade
4. CP3
5/6/7/8 - Dirk/Durant/Kobe/Rose - can make arguments for any of these guys imo also depends on the team they are on obviously

beasted86
10-25-2011, 03:32 PM
rose over both wade and dwight is just crazy to me.

This.

But then again, these guys thought that Rose was the runaway MVP in January, so nothing surprises me.

justinnum1
10-25-2011, 03:32 PM
way to high.

beliges
10-25-2011, 03:33 PM
Lebron is the definitive top player.

Throughout an 82 game regular season? Ya probably, youre right. But during the post season, well theres no way hes the definitive top player. And thats the best part of the NBA right now.

RekeHavoc
10-25-2011, 03:34 PM
hes still a top 5-10 post season player, ur just being biased, and im a bulls fan

Avenged
10-25-2011, 03:39 PM
6-8 is where I would rank him.

Ezio
10-25-2011, 04:11 PM
Slam loves him so yeah. I think he's too high but I guess they must of factored age and health.

beliges
10-25-2011, 04:30 PM
hes still a top 5-10 post season player, ur just being biased, and im a bulls fan

Lebron? He's definitely a top 5 post season player but no way is he THE definitive best.

CHANGO
10-25-2011, 04:46 PM
I can't stop laughing. Dwight Howard sixth? Dwyane Wade fifth? Derrick Rose is higher than the other two? Dirk seventh?

1.Kobe
2.Lebron
3.Durant

or

1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Kobe

or

1.Durant
2.Kobe
3.Lebron

The fact that Kobe is in the Top 3 is laughable.

My Top 8
1.Lebron
2.Dwight
3.Durant
4.Wade
5.Dirk
6.CP3
7.Rose
8.Kobe

Raps08-09 Champ
10-25-2011, 04:50 PM
Are you going to post the other players that were ranked too?

Or just him?

KH12
10-25-2011, 05:08 PM
Great thread JB, this isn't asking for trouble at all...

John Walls Era
10-25-2011, 05:26 PM
A lot of people who work for slam are Bulls fans. Its notorious that they love MJ and the Bulls.

Da Knicks
10-25-2011, 05:30 PM
the whole list is a joke

zizo
10-25-2011, 05:43 PM
people who say wade is better than rose, do you think wade deserved the MVP last season?

BHF
10-25-2011, 05:43 PM
not a nets fan but just one question how the **** is rose better than d will?

LayZbone
10-25-2011, 06:30 PM
Wade at #5 :laugh2:. Kobe and Durant in the top 3? GTFO SLAM.

Greet
10-25-2011, 07:09 PM
I would probably have to decide between Rose and Melo on who would be #9/#10

MYBULLS
10-25-2011, 07:37 PM
This is based on projections for next season so I completely agree with it. It's not hard to fathom Rose improving more than he did last year. Unlike ESPN this is not based on one's past legacy (Kobe, Duncan, CP3)
EDIT: Don't agree with Dwight being 6th and Kobe top 3. Totally dumb there.
My list
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Durant
4. Rose
5. Wade
6. Melo
7. Dirk
8. CP3
9. Kobe
10. Blake

tredigs
10-25-2011, 07:45 PM
They're ruining all their credibility with this list. Kobe still being ahead of Wade after this season is laughable. There only argument would be that the 'Old Guard' has to be completely and utterly dismantled by the 'New Guard' in order to take the slot (I believe he has, but I suppose there's a bit of debate that it's a slower takeover than "utter dismantling"), but that argument for them falls completely on its face by having Rose over Wade.

Another garbage list by writers who apparently know little about the real game. What can you do.

Ezio
10-25-2011, 07:54 PM
They're ruining all their credibility with this list. Kobe still being ahead of Wade after this season is laughable. There only argument would be that the 'Old Guard' has to be completely and utterly dismantled by the 'New Guard' in order to take the slot (I believe he has, but I suppose there's a bit of debate that it's a slower takeover than "utter dismantling"), but that argument for them falls completely on its face by having Rose over Wade.

Another garbage list by writers who apparently know little about the real game. What can you do.

All rankings are like this.

RekeHavoc
10-25-2011, 08:04 PM
Lebron? He's definitely a top 5 post season player but no way is he THE definitive best.

i meant top 5 or top 10

Team*Chicago
10-25-2011, 08:11 PM
That's just more proof that Rose is officially the best PG in the entire NBA.


http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2011/10/top-50-derrick-rose-no-4/

:cool: 4 Toros(Bulls) players on there which is the 4 of the 5 starting line up. if we had a legit starting SG he would be in the top 50 and the entire starting line up would be there.

thenetslegend
10-25-2011, 08:23 PM
bulls forum??

naps
10-25-2011, 08:28 PM
Yeah, you know this list doesn't have any credibility when Dwight is ranked #6 and Wade is ranked #5. This list is a pure joke. I had a couple of laughs.

shizzle09
10-25-2011, 08:35 PM
I needed a good laugh today. Higher than Wade and howard?? yeah, ok.

Team*Chicago
10-25-2011, 10:44 PM
bulls forum??

It's already is and having 2 of them in the forum wouldn't make sense at all.

Sactown
10-26-2011, 03:05 PM
Oh shoot! here comes the WADE fans to claim he is the best player to ever touch a basketball :/

C-Style
10-26-2011, 04:50 PM
I can't stop laughing. Dwight Howard sixth? Dwyane Wade fifth? Derrick Rose is higher than the other two? Dirk seventh?

1.Kobe
2.Lebron
3.Durant

or

1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Kobe

or

1.Durant
2.Kobe
3.Lebron

The fact that Kobe is in the Top 3 is laughable.

My Top 8
1.Lebron
2.Dwight
3.Durant
4.Wade
5.Dirk
6.CP3
7.Rose
8.Kobe


the thought that u have Rose, Cp3 & Dirk ahead of Kobe is laughable.

Cano4prez
10-26-2011, 04:54 PM
the thought that u have Rose, Cp3 & Dirk ahead of Kobe is laughable.

All three are comfortably ahead of Kobe

C-Style
10-26-2011, 04:57 PM
1.Wade
2.Dwight
3.Lebron
4.Kobe
5.Durant
6.Dirk
7.CP3
8.Rose
9.Melo
10.Gasol

i woulnt argue if u moved players 10-5 up one spot

C-Style
10-26-2011, 05:05 PM
All three are comfortably ahead of Kobe

ooh, ok:rolleyes:

CHANGO
10-26-2011, 06:23 PM
the thought that u have Rose, Cp3 & Dirk ahead of Kobe is laughable.

LOL... The year is 2011! Kobe isn't the same as before.

Kobe is declining, while Rose and CP3 are ascending. Dirk is a special case, because he's declining a little but he's in a higher level than Kobe, he still has a good shot(if not better), and responding at important moments.

Anyway, I will not discuss, everyone has their opinion.

C-Style
10-26-2011, 07:43 PM
LOL... The year is 2011! Kobe isn't the same as before.

Kobe is declining, while Rose and CP3 are ascending. Dirk is a special case, because he's declining a little but he's in a higher level than Kobe, he still has a good shot(if not better), and responding at important moments.

Anyway, I will not discuss, everyone has their opinion.



Ok so:

D. Rose: 25/7/4 on 37 min

D. Wade: 26/4/6 on 37 min (who I consider to be the best player in the league!)

Kobe: 25/4/5 in 33 min

Kobe averaged this on a bunk knee, after competing for the Finals for 4 years straight! & you want him to be on par with these dudes who have been taking early exists every year? Id like to see these other players do that and keep the same consistency.

Yes, Kobe ended the season on a bad note, but 4 u guys to dismiss him and move him off the top 3(who's been on there since 01) all the way to 7-9 is ****ing ridiculous. Watch, his knee(according to sources) has been the best it's been in 3 years and his coming back with vengeance.

Hawkeye15
10-26-2011, 07:48 PM
Based on this season alone, Rose has an argument for top 5. But many, including myself, need to see him do it again before we throw him in with the guys that have been crushing it for more than 1 year.

juno10
10-26-2011, 07:55 PM
1.Wade
2.Dwight
3.Lebron
4.Kobe
5.Durant
6.Dirk
7.CP3
8.Rose
9.Melo
10.Gasol

i woulnt argue if u moved players 10-5 up one spot

how about players from 1-4

CHANGO
10-26-2011, 08:21 PM
Ok so:

D. Rose: 25/7/4 on 37 min

D. Wade: 26/4/6 on 37 min (who I consider to be the best player in the league!)

Kobe: 25/4/5 in 33 min

Kobe averaged this on a bunk knee, after competing for the Finals for 4 years straight! & you want him to be on par with these dudes who have been taking early exists every year? Id like to see these other players do that and keep the same consistency.

Yes, Kobe ended the season on a bad note, but 4 u guys to dismiss him and move him off the top 3(who's been on there since 01) all the way to 7-9 is ****ing ridiculous. Watch, his knee(according to sources) has been the best it's been in 3 years and his coming back with vengeance.

Oh man! What has to do his knee on this? This is about the best players right now, not history. Yes, Kobe had reached the finals and has 5 rings. But this is now, not the past. The knee is an excuse.


Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 LAL 82 82 33.9 0.451 0.323 0.828 1.0 4.1 5.1 4.7 1.2 0.2 3.0 2.1 25.3
10-11 MIA 76 76 37.1 0.500 0.306 0.758 1.6 4.8 6.4 4.6 1.5 1.1 3.1 2.6 25.5
10-11 CHI 81 81 37.4 0.445 0.332 0.858 1.0 3.1 4.1 7.7 1.0 0.6 3.4 1.7 25.0

In the regular season they were even, the advantage for Wade, in points, rebounds, defense and shooting percentage.

But in the playoffs...


Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
LAL 10 10 35.4 0.446 0.293 0.820 0.8 2.6 3.4 3.3 1.6 0.3 3.1 2.3 22.8
MIA 21 21 39.4 0.485 0.269 0.777 2.0 5.1 7.1 4.4 1.6 1.3 3.0 2.5 24.5
CHI 16 16 40.6 0.396 0.248 0.828 1.3 3.1 4.3 7.7 1.4 0.7 3.7 2.1 27.1

You can say anything about Kobe, but right now, the best players are Wade and Rose. Those who played better last season were Wade and Rose, what happened before this season does not matter, because it is now.

Avenged
10-26-2011, 08:46 PM
All three are comfortably ahead of Kobe

:confused: really, all 3?

xxplayerxx23
10-26-2011, 08:50 PM
wow Idk about this list to me its like this
1.Dwight
2.Lebron
3.wade
4.Kobe
5.Dirk
6.Durant
7.CP3
8.Melo
9.rose
thats just me though

GhostfaceDrilla
10-26-2011, 09:15 PM
L o l

bears88
10-26-2011, 09:20 PM
and let the hate begin .....

C-Style
10-26-2011, 09:48 PM
how about players from 1-4

I wouldn't feel comfortable putting Kobe over Bron Or Bron over Dwight. Dwight vs Wade would be a good debate I guess!

juno10
10-26-2011, 09:54 PM
I wouldn't feel comfortable putting Kobe over Bron Or Bron over Dwight. Dwight vs Wade would be a good debate I guess!

cool,dwight vs wade is the matchup i always cant decide over personally.

ragee
10-26-2011, 10:14 PM
Dwight is number 6? WTF! I can accept Wade being higher than him but Rose and Durant? Is this article just about offense?

C-Style
10-27-2011, 12:46 AM
Oh man! What has to do his knee on this? This is about the best players right now, not history. Yes, Kobe had reached the finals and has 5 rings. But this is now, not the past. The knee is an excuse.


Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 LAL 82 82 33.9 0.451 0.323 0.828 1.0 4.1 5.1 4.7 1.2 0.2 3.0 2.1 25.3
10-11 MIA 76 76 37.1 0.500 0.306 0.758 1.6 4.8 6.4 4.6 1.5 1.1 3.1 2.6 25.5
10-11 CHI 81 81 37.4 0.445 0.332 0.858 1.0 3.1 4.1 7.7 1.0 0.6 3.4 1.7 25.0

In the regular season they were even, the advantage for Wade, in points, rebounds, defense and shooting percentage.

But in the playoffs...


Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
LAL 10 10 35.4 0.446 0.293 0.820 0.8 2.6 3.4 3.3 1.6 0.3 3.1 2.3 22.8
MIA 21 21 39.4 0.485 0.269 0.777 2.0 5.1 7.1 4.4 1.6 1.3 3.0 2.5 24.5
CHI 16 16 40.6 0.396 0.248 0.828 1.3 3.1 4.3 7.7 1.4 0.7 3.7 2.1 27.1

You can say anything about Kobe, but right now, the best players are Wade and Rose. Those who played better last season were Wade and Rose, what happened before this season does not matter, because it is now.


Now? We havent seen them play, '"NOW", with Kobe's knee 100%! All Im saying is that it's too soon to write Kobe off just like that. give it 1 more year(if there is 1). He said his knee is at its best so I say give him the benefit of the doubt, I think he deserves that. If he doesnt play up to standards now that his rested and healed, then Ill be the 1st to say he's too old.

CHANGO
10-27-2011, 06:50 AM
Now? We havent seen them play, '"NOW", with Kobe's knee 100%! All Im saying is that it's too soon to write Kobe off just like that. give it 1 more year(if there is 1). He said his knee is at its best so I say give him the benefit of the doubt, I think he deserves that. If he doesnt play up to standards now that his rested and healed, then Ill be the 1st to say he's too old.

Well, if this is based only on projections for next season, I agree with you. But even so, remember that Derrick Rose continues to improve, while Kobe keeps getting older and declining.

SteBO
10-27-2011, 08:30 AM
What hawkeye said. If rose can do what he did last season again, you can say he's a top 5 player. Now, I'm not so sure. Not too thrilled he is being put over wade let alone dwight, but then again this is slam we're talking about.

RevisIsland
10-27-2011, 08:55 AM
For my money I'll take LeBron, Wade, CP3, Kobe, Dirk, Dwight and Durant over Rose. I love Rose, but if I'm building a team I'm taking them over him.

Ezio
10-27-2011, 09:02 AM
I thought the list for the upcoming season? This doesn't involve anything from the past which people love to live in.

1-800-STFU
10-27-2011, 09:11 AM
Silly slam magazine we all know Derrick Rose is #1

Greet
10-27-2011, 10:09 AM
It's actually a complete joke. Rose is one of the most overrated players ever.

All he does is score.

Mediocre defense, mediocre at best passer

avon_barksdale
10-27-2011, 10:31 AM
yeah rose be ranked too high i think he more in the 8-10 range which still be good. slam magazine lovin them some drose though. they gave him mad covers and mad love wit articles n ****. no surprise they got him ranked high

Sinestro
10-27-2011, 10:49 AM
For my money I'll take LeBron, Wade, CP3, Kobe, Dirk, Dwight and Durant over Rose. I love Rose, but if I'm building a team I'm taking them over him.

Well if I'm building a team right now I wouldn't take Kobe, Dirk or CP3 (injuries) but at this moment all 3 are better than him

DaBUU
10-27-2011, 11:11 AM
It's actually a complete joke. Rose is one of the most overrated players ever.

All he does is score.

Mediocre defense, mediocre at best passer

If you don't watch him play that much, and obviously you don't, how can you speak so definitively about his game?

Shmontaine
10-27-2011, 11:20 AM
It's actually a complete joke. Rose is one of the most overrated players ever.

All he does is score.

Mediocre defense, mediocre at best passer

this post is a joke... and this poster is a greetard...

EaglesJackson10
10-27-2011, 11:43 AM
I'd take all of 5-8 over Rose right now.